Great to see the smaller travel bikes being used at the big events, Ala, Buchanan at hardline. But there is never any mention of what fork travel people are running when using DC fork. I would have though this is the most interesting part of the equation?
@Lololmalol: she races that bike in DH events? Seams like a 165mm travel frame would be a huge disadvantage on a rougher DH course. I don’t care how good your gimmicky 165mm of travel works, there is no substitute for the missing travel.
@stubs179: people have been telling me that for almost 40 years of riding. All the travel in the world is usless if you don't have bike handling experience.
You know that one bitch that you see at the trails. Riding a steel SS HT. Wearing some shitty band tee from 30 years ago. A pair of ratty Van's. Wearing cut-off jeans. Who is antisocial as f*ck. And blows by all the Endurobros while they stand staring at a feature that hasn't changed in 20 years. Yet they all stop to scope it, every, single, f*cking, time.... And generally makes you feel shit as a rider when you see them rip by?
So what podiums have we seen recently on a 165mm bike at a pro DH level? None you say? So travel is important I guess. That is the "missing travel" they're speaking of.
Nobody is doubting you can ride your bike where ever you want. You're getting personally defensive over something that was never about you. Enjoy the ride dude.
Also, you're 43 and people have been telling you to get longer travel for 40 years? Really? Right.
@stubs179: lighter riders don’t necessarily need 200+ mm travel; suspension that’s tuned to the rider is key. … ever notice how Troy, Danny, and Laurie all manage to float through certain sections on rough courses? They’re not using the full travel on those rough sections due to riding style and what they can get away with in terms of setup re:spring rates and damping vs. heavier riders.
Also “seams” are related to sewing. The word you were looking for was “seems”.
@Tarka: So which one of those riders are using 165mm bikes?
Nobody is going to deny better travel is better than more travel, but the bar to entry for a DH frame seems to be 190mm+. Tons of bikes of the past, such as the Commencals the Athertons were originally riding, were sub 190. There's a reason it's all leveled out around 200-220 across the board, from every brand, for every rider.
Basically what I'm getting at; the question was asked, where is the need for missing travel? There it is. If you feel you don't need 200mm for your park bike, that's cool, and nobody is trying to sell you anything.
So like, am I missing something? Dude said 165mm is a disadvantage on DH tracks. It is. Show me proof otherwise if otherwise is true, cause I'm not seeing it.
@sherbet: Audi Nines is not pro dh. It’s free ride / slope style, which for these jumps (super nice, clean, perfectly built) I’d think 165 would be better than 200 for flow and pump.
@Tarka: Read the comment again for the context of this discussion.
"she races that bike in DH events? Seams like a 165mm travel frame would be a huge disadvantage on a rougher DH course. I don’t care how good your gimmicky 165mm of travel works, there is no substitute for the missing travel."
The discussion is literally about this sort of bike being used within a DH race context. If you're using a sub 200mm bike for gravity sports, cool, but you don't need to be competitive so it's kind of irrelevant.
@Tarka: SEEMS you don’t know what this discussion is about?
Have you been watching Val De Sol? They’re probably wishing they had more? If you just ride Trestle or places like that than 165mm would be fine I guess.
@stubs179: no idea why you got downvoted. I own 2 bikes. Specialized Enduro (170mm) and commencal supreme (215mm). There absolutely is a massive difference between the 2 bikes on rough double black DH tracks. I'm actually faster on the Enduro on single blacks, blue and flow but when it comes to gnar and real DH trails it holds me back.
What the hell is in the water in Mew Zealand for them to produce such amazing riders. The population is like half of New York City but tons of rippers coming out of there. Robin rocks and her bike is sweet!
And I didn’t mistype Mew Zealand. I’m taunting the dog.
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I ride gnarly West Coast DH all day, everyday. What is this "missing travel" you speak of?
You know that one bitch that you see at the trails. Riding a steel SS HT. Wearing some shitty band tee from 30 years ago. A pair of ratty Van's. Wearing cut-off jeans. Who is antisocial as f*ck. And blows by all the Endurobros while they stand staring at a feature that hasn't changed in 20 years. Yet they all stop to scope it, every, single, f*cking, time.... And generally makes you feel shit as a rider when you see them rip by?
I'm that bitch.
So what podiums have we seen recently on a 165mm bike at a pro DH level? None you say? So travel is important I guess. That is the "missing travel" they're speaking of.
Nobody is doubting you can ride your bike where ever you want. You're getting personally defensive over something that was never about you. Enjoy the ride dude.
Also, you're 43 and people have been telling you to get longer travel for 40 years? Really? Right.
Edit; also the STP isn't steel.
Also “seams” are related to sewing. The word you were looking for was “seems”.
Nobody is going to deny better travel is better than more travel, but the bar to entry for a DH frame seems to be 190mm+. Tons of bikes of the past, such as the Commencals the Athertons were originally riding, were sub 190. There's a reason it's all leveled out around 200-220 across the board, from every brand, for every rider.
Basically what I'm getting at; the question was asked, where is the need for missing travel? There it is. If you feel you don't need 200mm for your park bike, that's cool, and nobody is trying to sell you anything.
So like, am I missing something? Dude said 165mm is a disadvantage on DH tracks. It is. Show me proof otherwise if otherwise is true, cause I'm not seeing it.
"she races that bike in DH events? Seams like a 165mm travel frame would be a huge disadvantage on a rougher DH course. I don’t care how good your gimmicky 165mm of travel works, there is no substitute for the missing travel."
The discussion is literally about this sort of bike being used within a DH race context. If you're using a sub 200mm bike for gravity sports, cool, but you don't need to be competitive so it's kind of irrelevant.
Have you been watching Val De Sol? They’re probably wishing they had more? If you just ride Trestle or places like that than 165mm would be fine I guess.
And I didn’t mistype Mew Zealand. I’m taunting the dog.
Another “bra dog” doing tricks w/out a helmet on PB
Get a lid dawg
I heard he does a sick dog pisser off that hip though
Age: 25
Hometown: Rotorua, NZ
Height: 160cm
Weight: 60kg
Instagram: @robin_riding_hood
Dog: Unknown