From the steel of Ralf Holleis' Moorhuhn and Kilian Reil's Project 12 Cycleworks to the aluminum Crossworx from the European Bike Project's Alex, we've seen a lot of metal so far in the European BIke Challenge. It makes sense too; if you're going to try and build a bike from 100% European-made parts, then metal is far more abundant than carbon, which is cheaper to produce in the factories of East and South East Asia.
That didn't stop Gian Humpert though. The trials rider and Trickstuff tester turned to Poland and Antidote for his frame. This is the new Carbonjack 29
that uses carbon fiber as well as aramid fibers like Kevlar and Vectran in the layup. The 150mm travel frame was updated this year to take 29" wheels and also some updates to suspension and geometry.
Gian admits he hasn't quite achieved the 100% European standard of some of the other bikes in the competition, but he was more interested in ensuring his bike was "as European as possible but without compromising the ride".
He said: "A derailleur that can’t be replaced if it is torn off on a race day because there are no spare parts to be found in any shop? Not an option for me. Reducing the performance of the strongest brake out there? Not an option either. I am all for locally made bike parts, but at the end of the day I won’t be happy with my ride if I always feel like the bike could be a bit better if I just swapped a few small parts for maximum performance."
On an MSRP basis, 97.5% of the parts on this bike are from Europe with 2.5% from Taiwan. It's also worth noting that the only cable-actuated European-made derailleur (Ingrid) has not actually been launched yet, so Gian's choices were super-limited in that department. With that in mind, let's get into the full build and the details below:
Frame: Antidote Carbonjack 29 L (made in Poland)
Fork: EXT Era, 160mm (Italy)
Shock: EXT Storia Lok V3 (Italy)
Stem:Hope AM 35mm (UK)
Handlebar: Beast Carbon Riser 25mm (Germany)
Topcap: Hope Head Doctor (UK)
Grips: Ceetec (Switzerland)
Headset Hope, ZS44/28.6 2-Top, ZS56/40 E-bottom (UK)
Drivetrain: Garbaruk 12 Speed chainring, cassette, derailleur pulley & derailleur cage (Poland). Eagle GX shifter and derailleur (Taiwan)
Chain: SRAM GX Eagle 1x12 (Portugal)
Pedals: Carder Tech Twotwelve (UK)
Bottom Bracket: Hope 68/73mm (UK)
Seat Clamp: Antidote (Poland)
Dropper post: Vecnum Nivo 182mm (Germany)
Saddle: Beast Components Saddle Comfort (Germany)
Rims: Beast Components ED 30 29" (Germany)
Hubs: Extralite Hyperboost (Italy)
Spokes: Sapim 64xCX-Ray (Belgium)
Spoke Nipples: Sapim Polyax (Belgium)
Tires: Continental Der Kaiser 29x2.4 (Germany)
Sealant: Milkit (Germany)
Valves: Milkit (Germany)
Front axle: EXT (Italy)
Rear axle: Antidote Bikes (Poland)
Brakes: Trickstuff Maxima (Germany) with Trickstuff Dächle HD 203mm rotors (Taiwan) and Trickstuff Power pads (Taiwan)
Bolts: Trickstuff (Taiwan)
Bashguard: 77 Designz Crashplate 32 (Germany)
Cables and casings: Trickstuff Highflex cables (Taiwan) with Sram casings.
Lube: Danico Kettenkaiser (Germany)
|Growing up near Freiburg, Germany and being a cyclist, there is no way to miss the incredible local scene of riders, clubs, racers and companies that revolve around two-wheeled fun.|
You see lots of TUNE bike parts, Trickstuff brakes, wheels built by Harald Glaser or the latest and lightest carbon frame designed by Peter Denk. And I think: "This is so cool. All this was made here."
Last spring Alex from The European Bike Project challenged Ralf Holleis and Kilian Reil to build the coolest bike that‘s entirely made in Europe. I knew straight away that I wanted to have a say in this too and decided to challenge them to be part of #europeanbikechallenge.—Gian Humpert
The Antidote Carbonjack must surely be one of the best looking enduro bikes on the market at the moment.
The Antidote features an integrated seat clamp that holds a German Vecnum Nivo dropper and a Beast Components saddle
As Gian tests components for Trickstuff, they were an obvious choice for brakes. He uses the Maxima model and used Trickstuff's own pads and rotors for performance reasons even though they are made in Taiwan.
The EXT Era was one of the last pieces of the puzzle to come together in this build but it fits Gian's stealth themed bike perfectly.
The European Bike Challenge is now complete. A vote to decide the winner will be hosted on Pinkbike soon.
To be fair many of his responses were well thought through and based on his experience. I agreed with some and disagreed with others. Waki-baiting become a bit of a hobby for some and he always responded.
I hope he is well wherever he is and enjoying the tranquility of not paying attention to pinkbike comments.
3 reasons for that :
1) History, during WW2 such statistics/ databases did exists and were used against certain specific communities and were sadly quite effective in wiping entire families.
2) It's against "déclaration universelle des droits de l'homme" the base of our national constitution from 1789 where the very first sentence states hope the translation will be correct : Every human is born with the same access to equal liberty and rights", racism goes directly against equal rights.
2) More a personal opinion but how can anyone justify discrimination of any individual on his religion/ethnicity and be a better person or a better country. Racism isn't an opinion, it's a public offense up to a crime.
Do you blindly believe every vague charge of “racism” uttered on the internet?
Let me put a finer point on it. Somebody goes to a Halloween party in 1988 as Mr. T, while some other jerk says he won’t hire people of a particular race at his company, both these people get called “racist”. Is that right to you?
I think I can be forgiven for being skeptical of such a broad accusation given that fact that it’s sadly lost its meaning these days.
Why am I concerned, personally I'm not, I'm a 40 year old white male i'm not directly concerned racism against white people in france does not exists nor does it exists in most countries where the majority of the population in power and in numbers is white.
So I was just looking at this nice article and cool build and I went down to the comments I spotted a weird ambiguous quote. I almost never comment and I'm not really active on social media either. But I like this website and no racism isn't ok here nor anywhere else unless it's humoristic/saracstic.
Waki had some really insightful comments, and he would also drunk-comment. It was the drunk comments that got him into hot water.
If I remember correctly, pinkbike was trying to install new conduct rules, people were getting upset, and some members started going back and bringing up old posts that Waki had made that would violate the new guidelines, wondering why such a prominent member wasn't being punished. It brought out a lot of Waki hate posts and I vaguely remember Waki saying something along the lines of it's been a long time of posting/wasting time on pinkbike and it was time to move on, and that it would likely be best if they just banned him.
If my kid’s teacher calls me and says, “your child was behaving badly and you should be disappointed”, I’m going to ask, “what exactly did he do?” before I judge him or take disciplinary action. Does that make sense?
Article from a few years ago...
Also, don't conflate disliking someone with racism. They're not the same. Racism is rooted in the assignment of differentiating characteristics to a population of people. Then, those wrongly informed beliefs lead to the marginalization, subjugation, and often times violence against that group. Saying "I don't like you" is very different than saying "I don't like you because you're INSERT GROUP HERE."
Either that or he walked away because he didn't like it when people disagreed with him. Personally, I think it was the latter.
It has never been confirmed, maybe the mods can clear it up.
Obama built the cages that Trump used.
Dog whistle is a term conspiracy theorists use.
Growing health disparities is largely from Obamacare.
Wages only decreased from COVID.
Skyrocketing income gaps only happened, once again, when COVID hit.
I hate defending Trump. He was a bad President. But don't lie about him. There are so many legit bad things he did that when you make up stuff it hurts your credibility.
As for Waki being called racist, that's easily the most f*cked up claim I've ever seen anyone post up here. Especially as he's no longer on PB to counter that. My skin is brown, I've had discussions with Waki but never felt any disrespect, let alone because of my skin. So this f*cker who claims Waki was banned because of racist speech should f*ck the f*ck off. See, I don't use the word f*ck often up here but in this case it is well worth it. So let me say this again you @f*cker (aka @kroozctrl), hiding safely behind your f*cking keyboard or cellphone: f*ck the f*ck off.
If racist speech were actually made illegal in this country, who would define it?
And let me be clear, I’m not defending real prejudice and discrimination. If it hasn’t been obvious from my comments so far, I believe the bar for what’s considered racism has become absurdly low. Do you remember when Stephen Colbert was called out for making so called racial slurs against Asians when he was clearly just engaging in satire? Is Stephen Colbert actually a racist? What about the petition against Trader Joe’s for having racially insensitive packaging on their Mexican food, Trader Joses? Is Trader Joe’s a racist institution?
So here’s another way to phrase the question, how would you keep people like that from deciding what is considered racist speech if it were made illegal in this country?
Years ago I was active on a telemark forum, I would try to meet skiers from the forum, this was a mixed blessing, a few times it was great, a few times it was not good at all. One guy who was very a prolific poster from New England agreed to meet me for some skiing, he shows up on alpine gear and he could barely ski, intermediate alpine skills at best; no way he could tele.
Keep in mind there's difference between an internet troll, an aresehole poster, and an poseur.
Some of the threads he was involved in that went on and on... I just tuned out. When the replies came into my dash I deleted them without reading - I wish more people could have done that. I just don't understand how people can have so much hatred in them. It's just a person typing shit on the internet... to each their own. Let them jave their opinions, that's what I say.
Your assertion that the Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare") has increased health disparities is not accurate.
Health disparities have accelerated during COVID.
Health Disparities and access to care have seen a reduction as a result of the ACA:
Loss of wages has also accelerated during COVID to be sure. When you correct current wages for inflation as well as other economic factors, US wages have been falling/stagnating since the 1970s. However, household wealth disparities have skyrocketed in the last 4 years. To say wages have only decreased due to COVID is not true. I will mention, however, that the COVID pandemic will have occupied more than 1/4 of Trump's presidency. He and his administration gets to own the effects.
Income / Wealth Gaps:
The term "dog whistle" is not unique to conspiracy theorists. It's commonly used to refer to a veiled or coded message meant to land with a specific audience for which the messaging carries importance. This is a tactic that Trump employed to great success throughout his campaign and presidency.
To be clear, my initial post is not about Trump. It's about the people and party that enabled him. He is simply the icing on a terribly dysfunctional cake. There is not a single lie in my post. Poorly crafted wording in the interest of time, maybe. I've provided as much reference as I care to invest in this conversation. Do what you want with it. Down vote away.
My post really isn't about crafting a workable law. However, to answer your question about limiting speech, I think that is up to the courts, Congress, and voters. There are well over 30 U.S. Supreme Court cases alone dealing with free speech. Some forms of speech are already regulated, such as: child pornography and "true threats." I'm sure the strict scrutiny test will help suss out the details of what is protected and what is not.
How did Trump use the cages any different than Obama/Biden?
Your ncbi link is only talking about coverage, which of course if it you make illegal to not have coverage you'll see increases in coverage. However, healthcare outcomes, not coverage, have eroded because of Obamacare. By nearly every metric of actual healthcare received, Obamacare has reduced peoples healthcare outcomes. If you wan to turn this into a flame war about Obamacare, we can do that, but its going to destroy everyones dashboard. The bottom line is that Trump has not enacted any policy thats had a substantial impact on peoples healthcare at all.
"US wages have been falling/stagnating since the 1970s" this couldn't be more false. It is akin to teaching creationism in a biology class. If you look at hours worked to buy goods/services, using the average industrial wage, we are incomparably richer than the average worker in the 70s.
I could go on and on, but I have a degree in economics and it would just boil down to you finding out of context biased results and me finding results that you think are biased. The bottom line is that your accusations against Trump are parroted and without substance, or apply to pretty much every president in our lifetimes and will also apply to Biden.
Obama's government had held *unaccompanied* minors for a maximum of 2 weeks while they looked for places to house them.
Trump/Miller strategy was explicitly to separate children from their parents, and hold them for indefinitely (until human rights groups got involved) as a tactic to dissuade migrants - including legal asylum seekers - from crossing the border. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump-idUSKCN1MO00C
The differences couldn't be more stark.
Edit: to go even further - this story mentions that children, specifically, were only being held for 72 hours in these chainlinked cage enclosures, as that was the law at the time: www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis
Pinkbike is Canadian owned, and privately owned. Currently, websites at least US speaking don't have to abide by that, at least in the US.
And you clowns that wanna argue, I'm not going to but who gets to decide. These people get to decide www.dictionary.com/e/stop-using-in-2020
Just don't call your comment section free speech, because it's not. Which is fine I guess since it's a bike forum. Twitter, FB where people actually interact about topics is another issue that's worth examining.
@pinkbike Is there something in the rules that states you are not allowed to repeateldy make the same false claim in the forums?
By all means, point out when the left, or the democrats or whoever has done things wrong, because it happens not infrequently. I'd totally understand not wanting to align with them. As a Canadian, I actually have the chance to support legitimate third parties, so I'm right there with you.
But please don't fall in to the trap of putting that on equal footing with what we've seen from the right in the past 10 years. Both sides really aren't the same.
I do envy your ability to vote for viable third parties.
I'll let you have the last word.
People that say both sides aren't equal always have a side the greatly preference. I will say both sides have fringe groups on social media that are becoming increasingly insufferable.
Wow, you managed to get most of the fashionable buzz words in there.
The only people saying "I don't like you because you're INSERT GROUP HERE" these last four years, has been you people on the "tolerant" left, you have been the people falsely accusing people of racism, not because they are racist, but anything that goes against your group think.
You use bully tactics against anything that isn't left of Lenin, and you are sowing the seeds to create more ACTUAL racism in doing so.
You should start questioning your own morality when you are on the same team as multinational mega corporations, that actually abuse and take advantage of people with no means.
Also" stuff that Velke mentions like "so it bothers me more to see it become the censorious new Tea Party. And beyond that, they're the ones with all the cultural and institutional power. Run afoul of the woke narrative on social media or at work and you run a real risk of being cancelled. "
Is just blatant right-ring nonsense. Cancel culture is a hilariously overblown myth that they've manufactured as a boogie man. A few screaming nut-cases with purple hair on twitter do not encompass the entirety of progressive politics.
And, he made a point of trolling a lot of people just for the argument and more, his was the loudest voice taking up all the space. It was all about him, most of the time.
That's also true.
You sound like you are the one wanting destroy anyone who doesn't agree with your political views.
If you believe in individual sovereignty, why so pissed at people who think different?
Because that is representative of the demographic that elected them. That is the purpose of representative democracy.
You don't want to associate with it, you detest it. And yet you vote for it, and defend the President who can only exist in it.
Can you honestly not see how you're arguing against yourself?
Not being clear. I am not a progressive. I don’t support, endorse, or believe in anything the democrat party/left supports.
With that being said, our form of government here in the United States is the best in the world. In my opinion. @jimmyconnors:
Yes he could be very particular, we could disagree and he could be rude at times. But I never seen him cross the line (which obviously is different for everyone). But quite simply in this discussion, stating someone is racist (without even trying to prove, without even trying to link to where you think he did so), now that is crossing a line. I've seen loads of people talk shit about Chinese people, we've had this Roadstain guy on here who just lived on the other side of the line. But in my perspective, Waki was nothing like that.
You're not a progressive. You detest the democratic party/left. You don't entertain it.
You also think the form of govt in the USA is the best in the world, full of people in the GOP who do entertain and associate with it because that's what they're elected to do.
I get that progressive doesn't automatically equal Democrat, but in the context of this conversation it works, I believe.
It's more accurate to talk about it in terms of the progressive and conservative party at the time. The conservative party being the democrats back during Jim Crow and slavery.
No, this is actually what happened. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make it go away.
And yes, racism is alive across the board in the US. No party is immune. But the fact is there was a shift in the party that took place across multiple decades, which resulted in the current republican party more closely aligning with the old democratic party. Again, just look at the red/blue switch from the early 1900's to now. It's almost a mirror image. No one rewrote that.
Also lol at "virulent racists" - try going back and looking at some of the people that the current republican party holds in high regard and then re-examine how 'virulently' racist FDR was by comparison.
Lets look at a major tentpole of the modern Progressive movement, the Minimum Wage. The first Federal minimum wage was the Davis Bacon Act, was part of Jim Crow to keep black workers from the South taking Northern construction jobs. Rooted in racism, Progressives and the DNC to this day maintain the minimum wage as part of their platform, despite the overwhelming economic evidence that it raises black unemployment while having a much lower effect on white unemployment.
"Its revisionist history." - dude, look at a map that shows change in voting from southern states over the last 100 years and give me an explanation. The only explanation I'm aware of is the widely accepted one that I shared with you.
And minimum wage is not an American idea. lol
And, there's a lot about American politics which we see here in European UK.
There are a good deal of libertarians who believe in individual sovereignty but detest other people exercising their sovereign right to hold different political views.
There are also a good deal of people who think individuals should make their own way in the world, like @ricochetrabbit believes. It's a view with real merit.
By that reckoning a mother in say, Sudan, who works 16hrs a day should be a billionaire. But there's not a level playing field, so she's not.
It would be nice if those ideologies worked but, like socialism, they've not delivered on their promises.
Be aware that those extremists you may have seen online are often used to create a clash and a reason to exist for their "ideas" they may have been recorded on a given date, it doesn't mean they can do it again especially if they have been condemned once. If you see any country trough the lense of those extremists shorcuts, there is a magnifying glass effect. The vast majority of minorities is peaceful and get along very well.
Also, minimum wages and unions did not raise the standard of living and improve working conditions. This is a testable hypothesis by looking at what happened to South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore. All of these countries in the 1960s were as poor as anywhere on earth, and as poor as the USA/Europe pre-industrialization. In 30 years they caught up (and in some cases, exceed) the West in standards of living. They went through their sweatshop phase in a single generation, while in the West it took us 150 years. All without organized labor, minimum wage laws, or heavy handed government regulation.
The early industrial era was a totally different animal, with the global landscape looking completely different. There was no globalized/globalizing market. Labour reforms were absolutely a requirement to move the country to a point where there was a growing and healthy middle class.
Removing minimum wage in the US doesn't somehow create a situation where the country becomes a cheap labour manufacturing hub that will compete with China/South Korea/Taiwan. The country is way past that point.
You apparently have an economics degree, so you should know WAY more about these things than I do. But you appear (to me, anyway) to be purposely omitting obvious facts in order to bolster your points, which is intellectually dishonest, at best.
It prices poor people out of the labor market. This is the most widely accepted, comprehensive metastudy on the subject in the field of economics: www.nber.org/papers/w12663
To quote from the abstract:
"indication of negative employment effects of minimum wages. In addition, among the papers we view as providing the most credible evidence, almost all point to negative employment effects, both for the United States as well as for many other countries. Two other important conclusions emerge from our review. First, we see very few - if any - studies that provide convincing evidence of positive employment effects of minimum wages, especially from those studies that focus on the broader groups (rather than a narrow industry) for which the competitive model predicts disemployment effects. Second, the studies that focus on the least-skilled groups provide relatively overwhelming evidence of stronger disemployment effects for these groups."
I get it, academic papers need to make money too, but it makes it hard to have a flamewar in random internet comment sections.
A more recent comprehensive meta analysis:
And a study that talks about the effects of minimum wage on poverty:
Your link might have been an authoritative metastudy, and I'm sure it's worth considering, but there's plenty of other more recent research that contradicts it. I assume economics, like other sciences, tends to advance and evolve over time.
Genuine question: Is there a reason to consider your study more seriously than the studies I linked?
Neumark's conclusion: 'This is a small drop in aggregate employment that should be weighed against increased earnings for still-employed workers because of higher minimum wages. Moreover, weighing employment losses against wage gains raises the broader question of how the minimum wage affects income inequality and poverty. This issue will be addressed in the next Economic Letter.'
Only has 15 citations. New, but still thats troubling. They also admit in the abstract that they did record employment displacement.
It just tries to re-study the data used in the article I cited. All it does is resolve the employment displacement effect coefficient down a little. It still reports right there in the abstract that minimum wages reduces employment (-0.12 to -0.05). The first study is more credible.
This guys entire thesis resides on how you chop up data to measure populations- think like how US congressmen gerrymander their districts. The original authors of my posted meta study have a rebuttal here, its highly technical and honestly I only have a bachelors degree in economics and its a bit above my head: www.nber.org/papers/w18681
What is left out, however, is that the minimum wage laws in the USA are really low (relatively speaking). This means raising them doesn't really affect reported incomes much, like if gas was $1 and went up to $1.10 no one would care. However, who is affected dramatically by minimum wages are transitory workers, like teenagers, farm workers, migrant farm workers, etc. especially Mexican immigrants. They move in and out of the labor force frequently, as well as move geographically frequently. This makes it very difficult for data-gatherers to include them in measurements.
What is also left out is that when minimum wages go up, so do rates of working under the table. Illegal immigrants in this country are unaffected by minimum wages because they work off the books anyways. When the cost of employing low skilled workers rises, employers, especially in rural areas, just start paying people under the table or as 1099 contractors.
I'd imagine policy could afford displaced workers protection.
Also, using the Asian 4 to disprove the efficacy of minimum wage laws only works within the context of those countries. Each are unique in their pathway to wealth. All four of those economies are heavily managed. It's also impossible to ignore the historical context and the socioeconomic conditions unique to those countries. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and S. Korea now have minimum wage laws. South Korea has an unfortunately large wealth gap which reinforces @jayacheess point. Singapore, on the other hand, is particularly interesting in that citizens are forced to save for retirement (sometimes at a rate of 50% of wages) and it enjoys a lower wealth gap. In your vernacular, this is tantamount to Obamacare for retirement.
What about different areas of the country? Does a minimum wage of $10 mean the same thing in LA as it does rural Idaho? Are you going to start a government bureaucracy that manages different minimum wages for each US county, trying to measure average rent and living expenses? If I disagree with the minimum wage calculated for my county, how do I appeal? What if I live in one county and work in another?
Why stop at $10/hour? Why not $50/hour? $100/hour? If "policy can afford displaced workers protection", then lets get that sucker up to $1000/hour.
Finally, the worst damage of minimum wages is long term. When I'm 18 years old and can only get a crappy job, it incentives me to increase my human capital and productivity. I'll go to college or trade school, or do internships for free. When, as an 18 year old, I can get a wage that does not accurately reflect market competition and my own productivity levels, its hard to know whether it would pay off in the long run to delay full time employment by going to college or a trade school. You see this all the time in Hawaii. Lots of my friends dropped out of high school because (20 years ago, mind you) a 16 year old could make $15/hour plus tips working on a guided fishing boat. That was amazing money for a teen. Now, in our mid 30s, those guys still make roughly the same, while those of us who left Maui and went to college make significantly more.
Wages and wage growth are complex issues, and there is not very good evidence that governments can improve outcomes by messing with market price/wage controls.
Thank you guys a lot for all the Feedback and comments.
I just want to make a few things clear.
The cranks are somehow not included in the spec list. I have no idea how they got out of the list. As it's quite obvious they are Hope Evo 170mm cranks in silver and without a spider.
A lot of people mentioned the low chain tension. We were in hurry building up the bike, because we only had a few hours to build up the complete bike and to take the pictures. Sadly there was no time left to check everything before it was getting dark. That's also why the saddle is a bit to high on these pictures. The weather was also not on our side so we had to deal with a lot of mud, dark clouds and rain. To sum it up the conditions of our fotoshooting were really bad. But I think we did the best out of the short time we had.
Due to a few reasons we couldn't do another fotoshooting yet with better conditions, more time, a fixed chain tension and still with the same photographer who took the pictures of the other three bikes from the European Bike challenge.
Hope you like the bike!
If you have a specific question about the bike, feel free to contact me on Instagram @gian_humpert
But it is a stunner, I have always liked the over the top esthetics of Antidote.
That said, I think the purism of trying to make it "all Euro" comes across as a bit forced in the first place. With most spokes made in either Switzerland or Belgium, you may actually be trying real to assemble a bike with nothing European made on it.
Back when I was having my frame built I also considered Olsen. The concept is clever and versatile and he is good to communicate with. If you don't trust carbon for durability, he can add layers and extend your warranty. He was even willing to have it built in steel by an external builder (as I was actually looking for a steel bike) though of course the outsourced steel frame would be just as expensive as the homemade carbon one. I definitely think that those who ride full suspension in Summer and want a low maintenance hardtail to ride all winter and put away dirty, this one should definitely be considered.
One of those “I just discovered what aperture is” photo shoots apparently.
Don’t shoot at 1.2 or 1.4 or whatever they are, just give us 5.6 side on !!
97.5% on an MSRP basis? So half the bike is from Europe then.
In addition, I think Hutchinson manufactures Pirelli’s bike tires, using Pirelli supplied rubber (made in Romania).
Cavalerie Effigear (frames / gearbox), CR Conception (suspension), Fast (suspension), Shift up (components, suspension tuning), Aivee (hubs), Coco Bikeparts (saddles).
Slicy makes some stuff in France, not quite sure whether Brake Authority makes stuff in France.
Framebuilders: Vulcain, ADV, Bordure, Choumac, Cyfac, Ernest, Molybdene, (I'm sure there are many more).
This is interesting statement. Aren't those boutique parts harder to get even ordering than standard mainly used?
UK, Poland, Germany and Taiwan have diff tax systems and economies non overlapping, etc so there is no difference where did u source the parts in this case;
Also to be precise, you can put locally manufactured bolts to be more ue rather whatsoever
Bike looks nice
That being said I'm all about builds with with any sort of restrictions, they always come out much more interesting.
Snark aside, it’s a beautiful bike.
It carbon, jack! And toe hump agin. Rest.
Otherwise great looking bike.
for extra grip during wheelies and minimal braking?
I had a friend case a jump, and bb landed on the rock, cable ripped in half, and he had to carry on without the rear brake, so ended up going ootb pretty fast lol
ever since, I just can't look at cables under the BB
I guess next year's European bike contest won't have any Hope parts allowed?
The only part I have that are made by the in the same county they were designed in are the carbon jack / dark matter frame (Poland) and rev grips (USA). Otherwise my brakes are already Asian, TRP. Wheel and suspension is mostly produced in Asia. I don’t know where SRAM produces their parts. But probably in Asia.
There is only a handful of companies that are purely USA. So being a MAGA or even assuming someone is pure ignorance.
The only thing you can hope for is DFARS compliant materials. And yes, you can spec out an entire bike. Granted the only suspension company you’ll be able to use is Intend BC.
I guess you missed my point: and that being all (most) US bike stuff has already been outsourced in pursuit of maximum profits. Cannondale used to have a real factory in PA. Raw aluminum came in on one end and beautiful handmade bikes shipped out the other end. But they killed that factory and hundreds of jobs in order to minimize prduction costs (among other things)....and dont forget that they did not lower their prices when they did that (more money in the bosses pockets).
Please allow me to clear up your 'probably Asian' statement for you:
TRP= Taiwan & China
Fox Suspension= Originally made in California, moved to Tawian 10 or so years ago
SRAM = Taiwan
DT Swiss = some spokes are made in Switzerland, the rest of the components come from Taiwan and China
Shimano = Only the highest end stuff still comes from Japan, the rest is mostly from Malaysia
Roughly 70% of carbon frames come from China, the rest is split between Taiwan, Cambodia and Vietnam
I like bikes and went riding today on my Taiwanese frame with Malaysian parts and tires from Taiwan. it was awesome
I had a made in the USA Santa Cruz Blur XC that I sold...sometimes regret that as it was a sweet anodized finish, but honestly I cannot see when I’d ride it.
RE suspension, not sure if MRP or Cane Creek are manufacturing complete in USA or just assembling here. I imagine lower casting may be sourced elsewhere.
Maybe Alchemy. But Yetis I am pretty sure are made in Asia.
Did you DVO or MRP?
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Go on jensonusa, give us a flow down of material and manufacturing site, and prove me wrong. I guarantee you you can’t.
Yeti frame (arc, switch infinity is a fox product which is made outside), white industries crank, rev grips, etc. like I said only a handful of products are sourced and designed in USA. You listed a bunch that are out sourced which are NOT USA made.
I had mentioned MRP might be made in the US and Noah was kind enough to confirm what I had thought.
I’m the one smoking something? You posts are barely readable ramblings.
Don’t blindly assume, without doing further research
here and I've seen their shock.