Bike Yoke Cable Conversion for Reverb Dropper Posts

Jul 24, 2016
by Richard Cunningham  
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DeHy Cable-Remote for Reverb Dropper Posts

Bike Yoke is a German accessory maker that produces yoke conversions for standard shocks to Specialized FSR bikes, cams to convert Shimano shifters to SRAM derailleurs and most recently, the "DeHy," which is German for "smarty pants," or something like that, and it replaces the hydraulic actuator piston and drive assembly that sits in the bottom of a RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper seatpost. What the DeHy does is allow Reverb owners to switch from the slow-acting hydraulic push button remote to any cable-actuated remote lever. (Of course, the folks at Bike Yoke would like you to buy their Triggy remote to go along with it.) That's right. You can dump the entire hydraulic hose, remote, and the actuator, lose your bleed kit and the smelly oil in the bottom of your tool box, and switch over to a simple cable and housing. To RockShox purists, that may seem like rolling back to the Stone Age, but some Reverb owners are over hydraulics. Why toil with oil when cables are able?


DeHy cable remote for RockShox Reverb Seatposts
Bike Yoke's DeHy cable actuator is more compact than the "Connectamajig" system of the Reverb Stealth's hydraulic module.
Details:

Bike Yoke's DeHy Reverb conversion kit allows you to use any Reverb Stealth seatpost in combination with a regular cable actuating lever (front fed). It includes all parts needed to convert your Reverb Stealth to cable actuation:

• actuating/linkage unit
• barrel cable clamp
• inner cable
• cable housing
• two housing endcaps
• inner cable endcap
• retails for 62,99€ and shipping is free worldwide, when ordering directly from Bike Yoke


(Here's the official press release)



Rock Shox Reverb goes Triggy

After BikeYoke ́s Triggy had been announced a few weeks ago, but was only available for front fed cable posts, the guys from Bike Yoke received a lot of questions about compatibility with Fox ́s new Transfer, or RockShox ́s Reverb dropper posts. RockShox Reverb is undoubtedly the most popular drop-post on the planet, but it features a lever some people think could be improved in ergonomics and compatibility.

DeHy cable remote for RockShox Reverb Seatposts
Bike Yoke's Triggy remote can be purchased with adaptors for Shimano or SRAM direct-mount shifters and also with a conventional handlebar clamp.


DeHy - Reverb cable conversion kit:

Some may ask, how this could even work, since RockShox ́s Reverb seatpost is actuated by a hydraulic hose, whereas Triggy is a wire-based remote. For the past few months, Bike Yoke has already been working on something very clever, which is now available and unique in the market: The hydraulic hose, including the actuation assembly, is only externally attached to the post. So why not simply replace it with a wire and a small lever unit that replicates the original bottom part of the seatpost? No more remote hydraulics involved, no more remote bleeding needed – and a constant actuation feeling, regardless of temperature.

DeHy cable remote for RockShox Reverb Seatposts
The DeHy module hooked up to a Triggy lever. The silver nub protruding from the top of the DeHy module actuates the Reverb dropper. The standard hydraulic actuator operates the post in exactly the same manner.


Replacing these parts takes just a few minutes and does not involve any opening of the post – Reverb ́s internal hydraulics remain completely untouched. Removing the remote hose and the actuator assembly from the bottom of the post is all you have got to do - and then replace it with the Reverb conversion kit and you are ready to connect your Reverb with BikeYoke’s Triggy or another cable remote, such as Specialized’s SLR, Kindshock’s Southpaw, or the RaceFace HopUp lever. The Reverb conversion kit will work with all Reverb Stealth seatposts. DeHy also builds much shorter than the original Connectamajig actuation and provides extra space for seat tube insertion when having a very short seat tube.




Bike Yoke is sending us a Triggy/DeHy Reverb remote system, so keep an eye out for a comprehensive review this summer.





187 Comments

  • + 124
 Where can I find a hydraulic conversion for my perfectly functioning KS LEV?
  • + 67
 Walmart
  • + 10
 I used to own one, a few years ago. Had to give a gentle butt with my butt or the saddle wouldn't lift.
Exact same issue for a friend of mine who bought it a few weeks after me.

Do they still have the same issue ?
  • + 8
 @evildos:
Still the same issue. The problem ist the IFP (Internal Floating Piston - separates oil and air inside the post), that get´s stuck and won´t start moving move from air pressure alone. Pushing the saddle down manually helps to break the stick-slip of the IFP and let´s the post move. After a while it will probably get stuck again.
That´s why we came up with something different than IFP.
  • + 3
 @evildos: yep, It's still there.
  • + 19
 @evildos: Two years of steady abuse & I've never had this issue w/ my Reverb. Cold weather does slow down hydraulics a bit, but this is solved for the season by adding a couple twists at the lever to speed things up again. Don't know why I should go through the bother of this conversion: my last bleed was over 12months ago, and performance is still primo.
  • + 5
 @Veloscente: Same experience here, except my reverb is five years old. Maybe we got lucky, but my post has been reliable. Bled two, maybe three times.
  • + 1
 @TheR: no idea how old my reverb is. Must be 4 or 5 years. Still working. Don't use it that often though. Too many bikes to be out on my all mountian bike every week.
  • + 1
 Got two reverbs. One is about 4 years old. The other is a bit newer. Both are the mk2 ones. Had the older one serviced about three years ago as I felt I had to more than it needed it. Never bled either and they work really well.
Its funny as I keep reading reviews of cable posts saying that the cable needs to be exactly adjusted etc etc.
No cable for me thanks.
(They are both external of course which is a slight issue here anyway Smile
  • + 12
 could I install one in my butthole?
  • + 15
 @richardcunningham: I enjoy reading your articles but to say, "but many, if not most Reverb owners are over hydraulics." is a BIG blanket statement, and what feeds the whole marketing machine.

From my own experience, and the comments here, there's lots of folks out there that are still happy with the hydraulic part of the reverb.
  • + 7
 @jaydubmah: Agreed. 2017 will be the year of the cable actuated Reverb. I would not be caught dead with a hydraulic next year for looking like an idiot. Maybe we can have a new seat post diameter size too? I'm thinking either 38.6 or 41.9.
  • + 4
 @jaydubmah: agreed! My reverb was fantastic, more reliable than the KS Lev I'm running now.
  • + 2
 @evildos: have you tried loosening your seat clamp? Sometimes if they are too tight it will affect how the post returns
  • + 5
 @jaydubmah: I'm a Reverb fan. Not saying hydraulic actuation is better or worse than cable actuation. "Over it" means that either one gets the job done. The cable gives the owner more options for levers and placement, The RS button, not so much. Plus, the Reverb must be bled perfectly to function, while a cable system can operate within a wider range of adjustment.
  • + 1
 @jaydubmah: if I had a quarter for every customer who calls about dropper issues and then shows up with a suspension reverb I would be a rich man.

I've seen more constant issues with that post than any other. We're actually phasing them out at the shop I work at. Too many much better options at a similar price.
  • + 3
 @jaydubmah, @RichardCunningham : But, if the article was about a new release of the Reverb and how it's the greatest thing ever and changed the face of mountain biking, then 90% of the comments would reflect the opposite, the haters would come out, lammenting the reverb, praising KS or just plain bitching about dropper posts in general... It's all about context
  • + 2
 @RichardCunningham: Thanks for clarifying where you're coming from Smile Personally, I've found a lot of the cable activated droppers (such as KS Lev and Giant Contact) pretty finicky to get set up. But you're right - there's not much choice for a different reverb actuator. Cheers!
  • + 2
 My frustration with the lev is that the first use of the day always needs a bit of an assist. While on the trail it always works as expected, but something just seems amiss when I need to give it a hand that first time. LOVE the southpaw though.
  • + 2
 @mattfitz: not sure if you're still having this issue but I found that when storing the bike if I leave the post up about half way through it's travel this was no longer an issue. Hope that helps
  • + 32
 After five years or so of riding reverb posts, this doesn't interest me at all. Rather than creating a cartridge to replace the hydraulic line with a cable to accommodate their lever, I'd be more impressed if they had just made a hydraulic lever. The lever on the reverb could definitely be improved upon but it really isn't something that takes away from the riding experience at all.
  • + 2
 @DanDrago: good luck actually getting one though, they are notoriously hard to actually purchase. I'll be buying a Dehy.
  • - 1
 after running dropers with normal levers the last few years & getting a reverb for the first time in march, I disagree that the reverb remote doesn't affect the riding experience. I'm using my dropper far less, & finding my seat isn't where i want it far more often.
  • + 2
 @groghunter: just FYI I have a Novy lever that I'm going to be selling soon in case you or someone else is interested. Also selling a reverb.
  • + 1
 @kdiff: PM me how much you want and when you're gonna be selling.
  • + 1
 Point of this is so you don't have to bleed the poxy things.. Read a reverb service manual and then tell me you don't want a cable reverb
  • + 1
 @BikerBailey: I own a reverb currently and have owned several... bled every one of them more than once. I don't want a cable reverb.
  • + 1
 @badbadleroybrown: haha interesting theory.. I've owned multiple cable droppers now- never replaced anything or done anything to them... still working like new. My old Reverb however- 4 warranty replacements in 5 months, not even rockshox themselves could bleed them. Feck that
  • - 1
 @BikerBailey: Stop picking your bike up by the seat. I've never seen a Reverb have issues where the owner hadn't picked up bike up by the seat. It's a pain in the ass sometimes because that's generally how we all grab our bikes but, with the reverb design, that's the weak point that leads to issues. Regardless though, RS customer service is second to none so even though I haven't had to use it I'm not worried about it.
  • + 2
 @badbadleroybrown: I'm a mechanic mate, I'm aware not to do that with just about any brand. All I don't understand is why people are willing to pay $200 (NZD sorry haha) every time they want a reverb serviced when i can just pay $5 for a cable and do the job in the best part of 5 minutes? Admittedly when rockshox are working they're not bad, but i've just experienced too much shit with them to bother again.. Each to their own though
  • + 1
 @BikerBailey: Yeah, no way I'd pay that much to fix a dropper, but I don't have to so I'm good lol
  • + 22
 Bleeding Reverb is not a problem at all, at least in my books. The problem is performing the overhaul which is a damn tough DIY job, compared to servicing 99% of MTB products involving hydraulics.
  • + 7
 I agree.

step 1; buy a KS Lev Integra.
  • + 36
 @fr3er1d3r: although step 2 could very well be "replace KS Lev Integra in a few weeks." I'm one of those KS owners whose post failed after just a few weeks.
  • + 20
 loving the new fox dropper post...
  • + 7
 @fr3er1d3r: step 2: wait for it to fail.
  • + 1
 Dropper posts are like most disc brakes of all makes that I have owned: BUY a new one. Use for max 2 years while servicing it regularly. Sell before it starts to break every second month. REPEAT
  • + 8
 @Longtravel: seriously? The reverb is more prone to fail in every way. Mine failed in cold weather and then officially after a small washout. The lever got knocked and bam! Needs a bleed and a new lever. It's a poor design, that very vulnerably angled button of the reverb. The fact it's basically useless in cold weather is a nice feature, though.

Ks lev was a breeze to install, smooth as my pickup lines and it's never given me any fuss in any condition!

To each their own but my experiences have been brilliant in contrast and the design around the lever is smarter than the reverb in every way. Also, less stack on the collar do it goes even lower than the reverb.

I could keep going
  • + 2
 @Longtravel: guess I'm still waiting. Sure is taking a while
  • + 6
 It´s true! Bleeding the Reverb hose is actually not a big deal at all.
Still it involves hydraulics and many customers do not want to bother with hydraulics on their bikes, when it comes to maintenance.
Well, one should assume assume, that if someone is buying a DeHy and attaching it to his bike, he should also be able to bleed a Reverb. My experience tells me differently. Basically everyone knows, how to deal with a shifting cable, but if it comes down to brakes or any hydrualic work, they´ll let us do the job at our workshop.
The overhaul of any post is a hassle, and the main issue of basically all the hydraulically locked posts is the IFP, which requires super precise concentricity of the two tubes involved, super good ID and OD surface finish on both tubes AND a basically very well tolerated seal.
That being said, I don´t care, if the post is actuated by hydraulics or cable, if the post itself was performing well over time.
Both hydraulic actuation and cable actuation have their advantages and disadvantages. Have you ever ridden a Reverb, when it´s really cold? Then it is really hard to push the lever, or not even possible without breaking your thumb. If the actuation system was absoulutely stable, there would be not a lot of things to say against it. Cable on the other side CAN need maintenance, as well, but everyone knows, how to replace or even just re-lubricate a shift cable and a lever.
You may assume, that there is a reason, why so far only RockShox is using hydraulic actuation for a droppost remote: Because other than on brakes, no ones cares about perfect modulation or bite point of a remote lever. I for myself think the ergonomics on the Reverb lever is really terrible and it´s really hard to push as well. What a remot eshould do is: Easy to reach, easy to push and in the best case the further you push it, the faster the post should extent. That´s what a remote should be able to do. Not more and not less.
And the Reverb Remote (to my own feeling) fails the first two.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Waki you need to stop buying SRAM products.
  • + 3
 @rideonjon: i went to SRAM after 3 different sets of Shimano (XT2008, 2012, SLX) brakes developed leaking at the caliper making me spend a value of a new brake, on pads and rotors. Now I have to deal with bleeding the Sram stuff tthree times a year. I am actually willing to go for mechanical disc brakes for my commuter.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Bummer,i've had great luck with Shimano brakes.I had a set of Saint M810 on 5 different bikes and they performed flawlessly with regular bleeds.That being said I have a set of M8000 and I'm not happy with them.Might be going back to some Saints.Are you on Guides?How do you like them?
  • + 12
 @fr3er1d3r: Smooth as your pickup lines? So basically like sandpaper.
  • + 7
 @rideonjon: I love guides. They are not as powerful as Saints (had 2010 model and they never failed me) but the modulation is absolutely epic.
  • + 3
 @uphill-blues: It does not matter, which brand droppost you are currently riding. Both of the mentioned share some of the same problems and there should be no bashing against RS or KS. Both can work super well over a long period of time, or both can fail within weeks. RS or KS doesn´t make a difference.
But it is very likely, that air WILL pass the IFPeventually and cause suspension in your droppost.
That´s why there is something new coming up in a few weeks, which will be quite - let´s say - revolutionary.
  • + 2
 @Longtravel:
Which remote are you using for the Fox?
  • + 3
 @uphill-blues: Unlucky! i have 3, one for more than 3 years, no issues at all with any of them.
  • + 1
 @wythall1: i had a normal reverb for more than 3 yearswith no service at all, sold it and exanged it to a stelth, went to times for the warranty, and is going another time now, was exenged the 2 times
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: true for most disk brakes but not hopes as I've sets over 10 years old and still work like new..
  • - 2
 @bat-fastard: I heard about problems with Hopes as well, it's a matter of a lucky pick and I'm not the only one who is superstitious about it. Big Grin

@tiagomano - I had gen1 Reverb for 3 years. Only bleeding issues but finally died. Bought Reverb 2 and it has a tiny slop on intermediate settings. I am scared of changing it since everything else is fine so far but I did hear that Stealths from gen 2 are as bad as gen1.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: yes, they probably are as not much changed, i will try to pay the diference and change from gen 1 to gen 2 under warranty, sell it and maybe buy a fox transfer(the brack one), if the post is as though as the 1 one, and they took the time to replace it even with the ctd shit, i thing it could be possibly the best dropper, and put a leverof this brand that it looks good and is more or less the same price as fox
  • + 1
 @tiagomano: Me too! the standard ones are great, I warrantied 2 stealth posts and the gave up with them. I spent the extra money on a KS integra. Brilliant!
  • + 2
 @Longtravel: Ditto regarding the Transfer.
Super smooth operation. And lever could not be better: easy to push and perfect positioning.
Hope it has the same bomb-proof reliability of the DOSS
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: might get the odd faulty one but their customer service is next to none, again we spent 2 weeks in morzine with scrap and shitmano having to be bleed/serviced constant. out of us with hope the only problem we had was a sticky piston as he hadn't ridden or serviced his bike since last years trip lol
  • + 3
 @Sacki: Agree with you about the Reverb lever. And it only gets harder to push as the temps drop.
Positioning really isn't ideal if you're using Shimano brakes. I found it was just too bar away for me. If you've got SRAM and using the matchmaker then that's not an issue.
I would definitely give this lever a try as it is a great dropper overall as this remedies my main issue.
  • + 0
 @Sacki: "The overhaul of any post is a hassle" Hilo SL is VERY simple to rebuild.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Gen 1 sucked. Gen 2 and 3 are way more reliable, simple, and easy to bleed the air out of the system. It is really pretty easy to rebuild, with the help of an oil level gauge and a soft jaw from sram. It just needs a rebuild every 200 hrs of use to relieve cavitation, (like anything hydraulic).
  • + 2
 Bleeding reverbs is easy! It's the button profile that needs to change! Needs to be lower and wider, not tall and skinny.
  • + 2
 @fr3er1d3r: @fr3er1d3r: I put the lever upside down so its under my bars. No knocks and never had to re bleed once. Admittedly i got it second hand and have only been running it about 6 months but no issues so far.

As for cold weather... how cold? I suppose mine hasnt been in sub zero yet.. winter will see to that im sure though.
  • + 1
 @uphill-blues: +10000000 It's a gamble everytime we build a bike with a KS anything. 3/4 times the post is dead on arrival.
  • + 2
 @uphill-blues:

changed the cable on my Lev once in the year that I have had it , my buddies Reverb has been nothing but a hassle in the same period of time .
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Have to agree , not as powerful as the ZEE stuff but way better modulation and I get less hand pump with them as well
  • + 1
 @allix2456: wrap a rag around the collar and lower, then bludgeon it with a plastic hammer. Take the saddle off and using a dowel or soft punch, hammer on the top of it also. These are actually the instructions from ks when their posts don't move when new. It does work, just never let a customer see you do it. Craziest recommended procedure I have ever done in a shop... unfortunately, you're correct, I do have to do it on 3/4 posts. It does fix them, and maybe 1/10 needs sent back...
..
  • + 2
 I find rebuilding the reverb not very difficult at all.
  • + 1
 @Sacki: the left handed one as I have a 1x 11..So it fits perfectly.
  • + 1
 @Sacki: Tell us more!
  • + 1
 @fr3er1d3r: step one send it off to your lbs
  • + 1
 I've had two reverbs go buggered and they have sent me two new ones back
  • + 1
 @OllieBuck: You´ll hear more in a few weeks here on Pinkbike I hope (before Eurobike). Don´t want to give away too much right now, except for that it´s gonna be black and long and that it´s gonna be called "Revive". Oh - and it will require a cable remote... ;-)
  • + 1
 @tiagomano: I had the same experience. My first reverb lasted years. Some bleeding was necessary which is OK. One day I crashed bent seat post shaft, and that was it for old trusty reverb. I got new one, it lasted about two months. Warranty and the new one lasted for less then two months of riding four days a week. Got the second mortgage on my house and bought Thompson seat post dropper. I'm trying to kill it for last eight months it is still working.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Hope man. Just give in already.
  • + 1
 @fr3er1d3r:
Step 2: Use the old Reverb to replace the hydraulics of your computer chair.
  • + 1
 @uphill-blues: 300 miles and mine is shot. Oil cart blown which is not serviceable. Sending it in for warranty is highly impractical during the summer. Selling mine and replacing with Reverb
  • + 3
 Is it just me or do I have a feeling that some people expect dropper posts to be as reliable as regular posts?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Hardly, but i do expect them to work properly for more than a couple of months. My Reverb has worked flawlessly with routine maintenance, bleeding a dropper is much easier than having to send a post back for warranty.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns:

nope but when one pays between $300 to $500 on a seat post they expect some reliability and such from it . what would you thoughts be a on a $300 to $500 rear hub that needed to be rebuilt and serviced after a very short duration of use ?? I ride with several Reverb owners and the amount of time they are without a post due to failures or some other issues is easily 5 times that of my current LEV post . 16mths now and changed the cable twice .
  • + 3
 Oh Jesus @cheetamike you have no clue how this world works don't you? What do you think is the possibility of exact same arrangement you describe with one guy on Reverb and 5 on Levs? 0%? 10% 50%? And what do you think you deserve for this 500$? No you don't deserve anything in life, especially in exchange for money. If you think that you will pay 1mln $ for a McLaren P1 and it won't break to the point of not being driveable for 3 months, then you are living in some other reality. There are elements interacting with each other in every machine and if there's 100 of them, then sht is s going to happen. There are thousands of users of Reverbs who are happy with the product. Just like there are with Levs, 9point1s, Thomsons etc. Do you know how many times ANY kind of product is being brought up here and there's a guy like you saying he's on it and his mates are on other it, and he's happy, they aren't? Be it a fork, shock, frame, brake anything. There is no argument here, we are not going to run a poll here, "Which dropper do you have and has it failed?". And you know why? Because people will still buy each kind, regardless of the result (considering they will all be close unless someone fkd something up completely like DB Inline) because we are humans, not idealized machines. And they would never be perfect themselves and would fk things up anyways, if they were given the chance to run this place. Yea it sucks to buy something and see it getting broken for what seems to be no reason at all. And so what? Suck it up or be angry. Customer is a partner in crime, not a saint cow to get his balls licked if something happens. He can post a warranty claim AND get a replacement, which may get fkd again, then you get another one, and finally you get so pissed off that you get a new one and sell it, without telling the buyer that product is crap and you'll never buy one again. You lost half of your money and company releasing the product also lost money. SHIT HAPPENS. You may also believe in God, that he will make it up to you if you are a good guy. Oh you just sold a product you hate... go to confession.

I have a second Reverb now and all in all I have been happy with them. Because it goes up when I want to climb and it goes down before the descent. It is amazing. If it breaks - oh well... that's not like my daughter lost an eye or my wife died.

Yes it may be me cuz I think this is the time of whiny pussies who play tough guys only when they don't get what they want after they paid (Louis CK voice) Moooneeeeeey. I paid moneeeeey blaaa mhwaaaa mhwaaaaa. Hello, this is customer support and customers are very important for us, we will try to resolve the case, due to ethics. Ekhem... and Mooooneeeeeey, that why we are not giving them back to you, and even if we do, you won't get compensation for using our faulty product. We appreciate your business sir. Fk you. Oooh you bring a lawyer? Oh... this sht can go forever. Because of a bike part. Fk you Sir, get a grip Sir, get a fkg Grip, thank you for chosing our product.

Good night sir, thank you for listening to my show, I doubt you are a better person after reading this. It's called internet and you lost a big part of your time. And nobody gives a sht, just your relatives.
  • + 16
 It's funny hearing complaints like "it'll freeze in winter" and the general negativity. Never had a cable freeze, but if your dropper is freezing then your shifting is pretty screwed too, non?

I see this as a good thing for a few reasons. First, easy repairs. Bust a cable and it's a quick fix with a gear inner/ outer. Bust a lever and you don't need to hunt for the one specific thing that fits. If you are racing or travelling somewhere new it is really easy to get these spares. You could also argue the cable makes the bike and post easier to travel with too. Second, you open up almost unlimited lever options to find something that really works well with your preferences and amount of crap already on your bars. Third is probably the most contentious, but the cable option gives you scope to drop weight over the stock hose and lever if that type of thing interests you.

At the end of the day a shonky dropper will be frustrating regardless of whether it is hydraulic or cable operated but it is nice to have some other options on the Reverb IMO, particularly with regards to spares and repair, plus finding a lever that works for you.
  • + 12
 For someone so wise, you should have a beard.
  • - 4
flag groghunter (Jul 24, 2016 at 14:12) (Below Threshold)
 I was actually wondering about the weight though. cables are pretty dang heavy, the advertised weight on the LEV is in part because they include that lightweight plastic cable. almost the entire weight difference between the DX & the more expensive LEV is entirely in that cable, & the difference is over 50g.
  • + 1
 Il only weigh in on the travelling thing as I've just shipped the bike to & from Morzine this week, and in order not to put any stress on the hose coming out of the frame (Reign with the very lenient rubber frame grommets) I just undone the reverb/guide matchmaker clamp, wrapped them individually in bubble wrap, wrapped the hose up like a new gear-cable and just taped them up to the stem... not a massive issue, but I can understand frames with maybe short hoses the risk of kinking one is a pain in the ass.
  • + 1
 @UtahBikeMike: Smile I would if I could! I started MTB with a Marin Mount Vision at the time when every man and his dog rode one, and most of them were bearded hippies with sandals... it was kind of the stereotype rider for the Mount Vision... always felt left out Wink
  • + 2
 @groghunter: It is true, there is a substantial weight loss on the LevCi by using the plastic outer and Powercordz style fibre inner. I went with a standard inner and plastic outer (Quaxar do a very cheap version) to have most of the weight loss but without the fragile fibre inner cable (at the expense of less than 10g's). Plastic outer cable and Lev Carbon remote is a good weight loss for any cable dropper, whilst keeping the functionality and robustness and I am 99% certain you'll drop a fair few g's compared to the Reverb hose and remote, even though the Ci-style setup is at the more extreme end of cable setups weight wise.
  • + 1
 @BeardlessMarinRider: It would be an interesting comparison:

standard reverb remote

dehy using included cable

dehy using powercordz style outer/inner(or at least outer.)

@Sacki have you managed to get weights on the Dehy yet?
  • + 8
 All these people complaining about bleeding being an issue, have you ever actually done it? It takes about 1-2 minutes and is a dream to do
  • + 6
 Not saying bleeding is a big hassle - but you HAVE to have oil and equippment handy. With a Lev Integra eg you only need a new cable and allen keys (quite a lot easier to pack in your backpack). This might not matter to some (such as you, I presume), but to others (such as me) it does. The difference isn't the world, but enough that I like a Lev better, mainly for the cable actuation. So, this definitely is a niche product that, for some people, will open up the market a little further - I really don't see anything to complain about here Smile
  • + 7
 I have a reverb on one bike and a KS Lev on the other. Never had a problem with the reverb but the KS failed and had to be repaired under warranty, for some reason I still consider it the more reliable Big Grin
  • + 6
 It's a great idea if U don't like the shape of the reverb remote. And is cheaper then buying a new oem reverb remote if u have broken yours.
  • + 7
 I agree but in reality Rockshox just need to offer a decent remote as standard
  • + 1
 @DC1988: or at least as an option, so that OEMs can offer it on bikes that are single ring speced.
  • + 4
 Its actually cheaper than the official remote which is a nice change of pace. If I ever get a bike with a top mounted remote I would totally get this instead of an official right hand remote. I hate the push button and hate how its mounted on the top for most bikes, this solves both problems for less money.
  • + 3
 if you're on a single ring, that right hand remote just mount it on the left; it'll be facing down. the angle is way better than top mounted. the problem comes when you still having a fd shifter.
  • + 3
 In all honesty bleeding a Reverb line is easier than installing the cable on just about any other dropper post out there. Done in 2 minutes, no slack to take up later. The lever design itself is the issue. The shift-lever style remotes are just be bee's knees.
  • + 1
 Novyparts makes their own lever for the Reverb. A bit pricy but you might consider it if you really don't like the stock lever.
www.novyparts.com/produits-novyparts-suspensions-vtt/levier-pour-tige-de-selle/levier-pour-tige-de-selle.html
  • + 2
 Changing the cable vs bleeding take about the same amount of time.... granted some internal routed cables can be a nightmare, but some reverbs need to be bleed twice ( so the time argument is a wash).

I have never changed the cable in my Thomson dropper in two years, and only adjusted the cable tension once. On average, I bleed a reverb (with the same amount of Km) twice per year.... and there is the lever thing too.

Buying the beeld kit can be more expensive, compared to the cost of cables ... although with the price of this unit, I think its also a wash.

6 to one, Half dozen to the other.
  • + 3
 This is great. It will allow the use of a converted shifter to control the dropper meaning symmetry between both sides of the handle bar controls and better ergonomics as well imo. Will hope to implement on the build I'm about to do.
  • + 2
 This lever looks nice however I don't see why I would switch out a smooth hydraulic lever in place of a cable . I mean the bleeding process is dead simple on the reverb so I dont see that being an issue , the issue with reverbs I see the most is the oil level being off in the post or needing new seal/ o-ring kit . Some come with a shit build from factory so once you go through the post re-set the ifp height and properly adj oil level the post's work great . So before wanting to ditch the stock set up at least go through the steps first and make sure there is actually issues with your reverb/remote or they just need to be set up correctly . On new bikes we normally end up doing a warranty overhaul fairly soon after the bike has been bought and then we never them again . Reverb is a solid post when correctly assembled and bled . But if you prefer a cable giver I just think the reverb set up works great as is and dont see spending even more money to operate a seat post
  • + 7
 I think you are missing the point of our Kit.
We are not saying, the original remote is bad or does not work well. Bleeding the hose is super simple, and the function is OK for most people and under most riding conditions.

The main reason why we came up iwth DeHy is because we simply do not like the ergonomics of the original Lever. It is quite hard to push (no it is not toooo hard, but it still feels kind of squishy and slow) and the angle, that it´s directed to does not feel good and everyone, that I know, likes trigger style remotes better in terms of ergonomics. If you have ever tried a KS LEV Southpaw or a Spacialized SLR remote, you know, how smoth and easy a post can be actuated.

So the main idea, was to make a Remote, that works and looks like a regular trigger shifter, because people like it and people are used to it.

Then of course there is the question about hydraulic actuation or not. And in this case I must say, that it is way easier and cheaper to design a reliable Remote and actuation mechanism, which is cable actuated, than one, which also uses hydraulics.

The installation of a new hydraulic remote would require a complete bleed, and also the remote would have to be bulkier and for sure it would be not as slim and adjustable, as Triggy.

We did not touch any internal parts of the Reverb, so we are not raising the question, if the Reverb´s internals are reliable or not. A Reverb will internally be same reliable with or without DeHy.

Also I am not saying, that the hydraulic actuation is unreliable or crap.
But one thing is for sure: 8 hydraulic seals (including several dynamic ones) in a remote and hose altogether are for sure not more reliable than a simple shift cable. ;-)

So the point is:
Are you having no issues with your Reverb remote, and do you not wish to have a different style of actuation movement (trigger style)? -> Then keep your original Reverb remote
Do you want a reliable trigger style remote, which you also can combine with different brake brands? -> Buy a DeHy
  • + 1
 @Sacki: can you guys design cable actuated lever for riders whom still having fd shifter? Maybe like a sram gripshifts but with 2 compact levers to actuate the lock and release?
  • + 2
 I'd like to see it in action, or at least mounted to a bar. Right now I have my remote mounted upside down on the left. It was originally attached to the brake lever via matchmaker, but I chose to remove it from that because it was angled too high when I angle my brakes the way I want it. It's better than when it was on the matchmaker, but it's still angled high and I can't rotate it any further because the hose hits the brake lever body. Wish there was some sort of clamp adapter so I can have more space to properly angle the remote. This thing might do the trick.
  • + 1
 What would you like to see in action? The DeHy Kit or the Triggy mounted to the handlebar? In the video you can see, how much angle adjustment you have with a SRAM brake. You have plenty of room to adjust via the MMX adapter. Much more than with a front derailleur trigger, since they build much bullkier, than Triggy.
I´ll upload some picture to our website so you can see Triggy from all directions.
  • + 1
 @Sacki: Thanks, yes it's the trigger placement I'm interested in, especially if you compare the Reverb's vs yours.
  • + 1
 @uphill-blues:
I´ll upload some pictures in my gallery tomorrow, after I install a Triggy on a SRAM Guide via MMX clamp.
You may check in my gallery tomorrow...
Right now I´m using MT7 with their matchmaker clamp and Triggy.
  • + 1
 @uphill-blues: Alright, I just uploaded some pictures in my gallery with the Proto-remote installed on my edison EVO and MAgura MT7.
In case you are wondering, what kind of fork this is: Prototype 185mm with 36mm stancions. Internals all custom with travel adjust and bladder based 3 way compression damping. Lowers are borrowed from XF Metric. Weight: 2350g including headset.
If you are wondering, what kind of seatpost this is, then just keep hanging around here on PB. ;-)
  • + 1
 Fully triggered by this. Why would anyone want to take away the single best attribute of the reverb? I guess people that don't like: easy and unlimited hose routing options, low maintenance with the best lever feel on the market, easiest post on the market to install and set up, and you can raise and lower the post in the frame with out worry of scrunching the cable and making the lever sticky.
  • + 2
 Fox D.O.S.S ,simple ,ok the control is not that thing ,but never fail me ,now just build a dropper where you don't need to do that ass thing ,just build a up and down wireless pronto
  • + 5
 2 years reverb, zero maintenance, still going strong
  • + 3
 And? You seem to be suggesting that because you have had a reverb for two years now that nobody else has ever had a problem?
  • + 3
 I've had mine five years, zero problems if that goes to support his point any.
  • + 1
 @TheR: Not really no. Unless you two are the only two in the world who have ever owned one of course. I think we all know that they have had many many issues with them. Some will always have no problems of course.
  • + 1
 6 years no problems except destroyed the remote in a crash, post is all scratched up. Replaced the remote, if this thing was available then I would have tried it. I do regular maintenance on it, its a pain, same as a fork. I ride all year in Colorado works fine in well below freezing, you just have to check the air pressure with your shock pump. I do remember several winter rides when the cable on my Gravity dropper froze up because of moisture in the housing, replaced it with a coated cable.
  • + 2
 Modern Vw's are solid reliable cars but they still go wrong occasionally. In life people complain louder than they compliment. I have two and everyone I ride with has them. No one has had or has any issues. My bro is 6'6 and nearly 20 stone and even he has never had issues.
  • + 4
 That's at the top of my to buy list. I like the reverb post but hate the button.
  • + 3
 My reverb stealth is fine. Bleeding it is easy and only has to be done once a year. It's more reliable than my old KS dropper with the under-seat lever.
  • + 1
 it could be a solution for a colder days.. a friend of mine bought his reverb as a part of brand new bike and a week later while riding in a cold conditions it was a disaster. Wasted bike-day as the reverb froze and stuck in one position. Meanwhile my cheaper KS dropzone r was working without any problems.... because of this issues this project gets a yay from me.
  • + 1
 Being more compact than the connectamajig is hardly a selling point, as its a 2 minute job to remove it to drop the post further into your frame. Its there for convenience, but unless youre regularly removing your post, its worth taking it out of the system to give you more room to move
  • + 3
 Reverb, don't lift the bike by the saddle with the post dropped then you wont suck air into the oil chamber, job done.
  • + 2
 Whatever i use is better than you unless we use the same thing and in that case i used it first and I'll take offense if you say anything that contradicts what I say.
  • + 1
 Interesting idea. I use a Race Face Turbine lever with a KS post and find the ergonomics to be 10x better than the Reverb lever. That being said, I couldn't see myself spending $100 CAD on this if I had a Reverb.
  • + 3
 Pretty cool idea... But, this doesn't help with the internal issues that the Reverbs are prone to...
  • + 0
 I like what these guys are doing and btw just checked their site and holy sh#t! There's a yoke for my '16 Stumpy. Guess I'm getting a new yoke and reservoir shock for Christmas. Take that Graves and Brosnan!!!!!
  • + 2
 i still have none of the mentioned problems with my 10 yr old gravity dropper.
  • + 1
 The article mentions cams to convert Shimano shifters to SRAM derailleurs but I didnt see any on their site. Does anyone know where I can get something like this?
  • + 1
 To be honest, I didn´t even notice this in the articel. We do not offer something like this. Sorry!
  • + 3
 Own a reverb for 4 years. Never had any problems mith mine whatsoever.
  • + 4
 This is kinda sad, tbh.
  • + 0
 Dropper posts are a great idea in general. Back in the day everyone cut their posts, and put themselves at a disadvantage for actually riding places, just to make it so they could do progressive riding.
  • + 2
 Why don't they make a nicer reverb lever to fit onto the hose instead of a cable that's going to freeze every winter
  • + 1
 Because it would be really really expensive to design it reliably and ergonomic. That´s why we went for cable actuation. Simple and everyone understands. Cable actuation does not have any more drawbacks than hydraulic actuation.
Would you also want your shifting actuated by hydraulics?
Does anyone here have problems with shifting cables? ;-)
  • + 5
 A cable that is going to freeze every winter?! Never had a cable freeze once. Surely everyone would never be able to shift gears if cables were so prone to freezing if it gets a bit cold.
  • + 1
 What part of the UK do you live in!!!?
Never even got my down jacket out this year.
  • + 1
 BikeYokes brand new dropper ... too slow pinkbike, beat you to it.
www.mtb-mag.com/en/introducing-the-bikeyoke-revive-dropper-post
  • + 2
 i have a bullshit for this item Big Grin
  • + 2
 where is the grease on that seatpost
  • + 1
 The issue is internals not the hydraulic line. They can be perfectly bled and still spongy as all hell.
  • + 1
 I have a reverb, but towards the end of a ride it always slows down, so I just bought one to see if it is more reliable
  • + 2
 I am buying it to replace this damn push button thing!
  • + 2
 Ah hell, this only works with the stealth Reverb (and I am neither buying a new stealth post, nor drilling a whole in my frame to install it).
  • + 2
 Great solution to nonexistent problem.
  • + 1
 May I ask, what you think is the non-existent problem?
  • + 2
 Free shipping world wide?! How the f#ck can they afford that?
  • + 7
 I´m not complaining, but still it takes a lot of my margin, when offering free shipping.
But it´s just convenient for the customer to not have to bother with any additional costs or calculate or worry about anything. Spares me a lot of questions, too.
So just buy and don´t worry. so far all the parcels arrived at their destination. ;-)
We are a real rider owned company and next to making of (of course) our main goal is to make customers happy with our products.
  • + 1
 Exports are usually exempt from sales tax so they save the GST, VAT (whatever the local sales tax is called if it exists) in the UK it is 20% so they pocket that and use it to cover the shipping or most of it. I don't know exactly how it works in Germany but will probably similar. Bookdepository does free world widr shipping with books some of which cost like $5 and some big books of which would weigh a lot more than this and cost less
  • + 1
 @multialxndr: If you had checked our website, then you would know see, that we DO NOT pocket any VAT. We charge everyone in the world with the same price!
cheers
  • + 1
 I probably worded that poorly, but exports are usually zero rated supplies so you don't have to collect sales tax when you sell them it isn't a hit at anyway it's just how they are treated for tax purposes so if I was to buy something with from the UK the seller would save the sales tax component of the price and they can use it to help subsidise shipping ,offer free or cheaper shipping or they can reduce the price or they can keep it. I have never worked with the German tax system but that is how it generally works.I'm not saying you are ripping people off or anything like that and it wasn't meant to come across that way I was just talking about the tax treatment of exports
  • + 3
 @multialxndr:
I know, what you mean, I didn´t take it offensive in any way, sorry, if it sounded like that.

Our shop works like this:
If someone from the EU orders, then he will pay the regular German sales tax, as he/she woudl have to in his own country as well (no import/export involved).
If someone outside of EU orders, we will only charge him with the net price, because he does not need to pay the German/EU sales tax/VAT. People from outside EU pay the price excluding VAT, and we charge them without VAT.
Still free shipping for anyone, anywhere.
  • + 1
 Minus the lever, that contraption looks a lot like the clutch slave cylinder on my '87 4Runner.
  • + 1
 Until the moment I read this article I thought I was the only one that hated hydraulic actuation.
  • + 1
 New crankbros post working just fine.
  • - 3
 Who the hell keeps deleting my posts everywhere. Getting kind of annoying that I get notifications of multiple replies only to go to the page and find the whole thread missing. This happens on almost every damn comment I make. It's f*cking tiring. All I said was I don't see the point of cable as it's worse than hydro in my mind and it's gets deleted! There's comments and comment threads much worse than anything I said. And the goes for anything I have had deleted. I'm sick of it. Where's the freedom of speech?! Pinkbike you can shove it.
  • + 4
 1. scroll to bottom of page
2. Click "below threshold comment threads are hidden"
3. Reconsider your life, if your comments are so toxic that every comment you make is voted down to the bottom of the page
  • + 0
 @groghunter: thanks. Was only -4 but it's been hidden.
  • + 2
 sad
  • + 5
 Don't buy it then eh?
  • + 1
 ...or you could just buy any cable activated post...
  • - 1
 Had my KS supernatural for over 3 years now never serviced and has not missed a beat....just thought I put it up there.
  • + 4
 I think is weird when people say things like that as is something good. You haven't even opened once to put some grease in that thing?
  • - 3
 Is this for real or a April's Fools joke in July? I'd never switch my hydraulic for a cable that stretches, feels weak, and needs adjustments. This is like converting your hydraulic brake levers to cable...insane.
  • + 3
 Hot damn you're clueless son!
  • + 0
 It really is nothing like that at all. But, you tried.
  • + 3
 Hydraulics provide more consistent power to brakes , for dropper posts that's not required. I have only once adjusted the cable on my Thomson post once in 2 years. I bleed my friends reverbs at least twice each year.
  • + 1
 You need the extra power that hydraulics provide to activate your dropper post? Must have weak thumbs

I've literally never needed to adjust my cable actuated giant contact dropper. Flawless since day 1
  • + 2
 @xeren: lmfao. People complain that the reverb remote is too hard to push, so who's really the one with weak fingers. I like the direct on/off feel of the reverb remote. The KS lev remote never felt good despite a lot of adjustments over the year I had it.
  • + 1
 @matadorCE: my giant dropper's lever has on/off feel too. never tried the ks lev remote
  • + 0
 ...holy $hit take my money.
  • - 1
 i just have a NORMAL post but its a 26" version
  • + 0
 What?
  • - 2
 This is pointless. Hydraulics are the main advantage of the Reverb over other droppers.
  • + 1
 what is the benefit of hydraulic over cable actuation? i can't think of any
  • + 0
 @xeren: My opinion, it is much smoother and more responsive. Would you rather have hydraulic disc brakes, or mechanical disc brakes? I'd prefer hydraulic brakes. I prefer the hydraulic post for much of the same reasons I'd rather have hydraulic brakes. They just work better.
  • + 1
 @TheR: how does a hydraulic lever make the dropper smoother? the lever is either on or off. you don't need the power or modulation that hydraulic brakes need.

have you ever used a giant contact dropper? it's cable lever, but uses a gas strut, and it's insanely smooth, because the smoothness has nothing to do with the cable, it has to do with the damping of the dropper stanchion itself
  • + 1
 @xeren: When I say smoother, I mean the system as a whole is just better integrated, not the way the dropper slides up and down the shaft. You push the button, put your ass on the seat, and it responds instantly. There is no slop from the cable, where you're waiting for it to engage whatever mechanism lowers the seat. It's also nice that you can adjust the speed of the Reverb via the hydraulic actuator so that your nuts aren't kicked back into your stomach when you bring the seat back up, like they are with certain cable-actuated posts (I'm looking at you, Specialized Command Post).

I have not used a Giant Contact dropper, and admittedly most of my other dropper experiences are based on quick test rides on friends' bikes. The reason for that is I've had a Reverb on my bike for more than five years now, and it has worked flawlessly. I'm not a huge fan of the actual remote -- I wish it had a more thumb-friendly lever -- but beyond that, there's not a whole lot that could convince me to switch to another post.

If you've had luck and prefer some other type of post, by all means, carry on, soldier.
  • - 1
 Lookin weak
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