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Brandon Semenuk Wins Oregon Trail Rally

Nov 9, 2021
by Alicia Leggett  

Brandon Semenuk is on a roll. Fresh off a historic win at Rampage, he closed out the competition season by taking victory at the Oregon Trail Rally, beating out his Subaru Motorsports USA teammates Travis Pastrana and Ken Block, who took second and third.

Until now, Semenuk hadn't won a rally race this season, winning stages now and again but never quite securing the overall result. This time around, with codriver John Hall, Semenuk managed to pull ahead on the second of three days of racing, and though he swapped stage wins with Pastrana for the rest of the race, he maintained the lead and eventually won by 23.4 seconds over Pastrana and 49.8 seconds ahead of Block.

Photo: American Rally Association

The Oregon Trail Rally was the final event of the American Rally Association presented by DirtFish National Championship race season. Pastrana walked away with the season overall title, Block took second, and Semenuk rounded out the top three for his first full rally season.

See the full results here.


262 Comments

  • 410 1
 This shit is actually insane. Ken Block...... Pastrana.........
  • 34 1
 His podcast his did explaining his story of how he ended up racing with Pastrana is wild! So rad!
  • 3 1
 @stormracing what's the name of the podcast? Would love to check that out.
  • 3 1
 @stormracing: which podcast?
  • 7 0
 It is amazing to compare the stage times, all 3 were within seconds of each other through the entire event.
  • 11 0
 You should check out the Audi Quattro Block built up.
  • 4 0
 @abtcup: That's gotta be the cleanest audi I will ever see.
  • 9 3
 Ogier must be crapping himself…
  • 6 1
 @jclnv: no he retiring and and probably does not care.
  • 15 0
 @lenvillethe3rd: Do you think his 7 WRC titles are under threat?
  • 1 0
 It sure is, some legit win for sure!
  • 24 1
 @jclnv: check out Block's record in the WRC. Doubt Ogier is worried.
  • 53 2
 Good thing he has a BMX background….(sorry wrong thread)
  • 10 0
 He's racing with Aaron Gwin's mechanic as well!!
  • 77 51
 Lets Go Brandon!
  • 26 0
 @noseussforaname: Exactly. These guys don't stand a chance in WRC. Totally different level. Block just managed to crash his car in every rally...
  • 13 0
 Would be nice to see him race Nicolas Vouilloz, Gee Atherton and Ben Reid too. A bike race, then a car race.
  • 13 0
 @jclnv: Please. WRC is on a completely different level. All Block and other national drivers have been successful at doing in WRC is wrecking cars. Ogier, Tanak, etc... are not worried in the least. Their skills are leaps and bounds beyond ARA drivers. This is not to downplay the achievements. Winning is no small feat. It just is not the same.
  • 3 0
 @jmhills: Block's WRC career has been an expensive one!!!
  • 18 0
 @UPBike: I will admit he has really great exhibition skills. What he does is not easy. When you make him do it on surfaces that are uneven and unpredicatable, things culminate in bits of car flying through the air and fire balls.

Block is cool. He is one hell of a marketing genius. A WRC level driving skill he is not. WRC loved having him as it instantly spiked their watch numbers. They loved him for the revenue they could generate. Not for his ability to genuinely come out and challenge the greats. You could throw someone like Sainz in a rally car right now, decades removed from his last competitive drive, and he would smoke Block across numerous stages.

I spectate and photograph all levels of American motorsports. It is fantastic to watch. We have some phenomenal talent that could be WRC level but the support is not there. If you wanted circle track/ NASCAR, you can find sponsors. Rally, it is expensive, tough and your car is not the rolling billboard that American businesses need in order to justify the expense.
  • 3 0
 @jmhills: Totally agree with you. I was cheering on block in the WRC rallies that he participated in. And yes, sadly the US has no interest in rally....
  • 1 0
 @jmhills: I'm not too much into motorsports, but I'm curious. You mention WRC is more challenging than ARA, but how does it work in MX then? I noticed Jeffrey Herlings won the MXGP again, but it seems Americans care more about the AMA series. Are these more challenging too? It is funny to learn that a national series would be more challenging than an international competition.
  • 2 0
 @vinay: It has to do with access. For rally to really become a thing, we need more of them. Every state across the nation has multiple MX tracks and motorcycles are cheap. Hell, our MTBs cost more in many cases. Due to litigation concerns and the costs of setting up a car to go stage racing, there just are not enough races and courses for people to try their hand at. For rallying, the ARA is a good series here in the states. The stages themselves just are not the same as a WRC style set of stages.
  • 3 0
 @jmhills: Are motorcycles cheap? I thought the cost to keep them running (not just fuel, but parts replacement due to wear and the costs of component service) is pretty high. Again, I'm not into motorsports so I'm not sure but I recall mountainbikers (Romaniuk, Gracia etc) back in the days said that riding bikes is cheap and riding motorbikes is expensive.

That said, I do get that the cost of riding rally cars is on another level and maybe there is not really a cheap entry. I can imagine for road car driving people can start with go-karts but I don't know if driving a buggy (which may be the dirt equivalent) really compares to riding a rally car.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: You can find new Yamaha 250s for $7500. One that is a couple years old but low hours is around $3500. Not cheap but equivalent to many new MTB's. Consumables in all motorsports are expensive but they are cheaper with dirtbikes than with cars. With rally, it is not just the cost of the car, its getting to a place where you can actually race it. There just are not as many places willing to open their roads for it.
  • 3 0
 @vinay: there was a time when AMA Nationals were at a higher level than MXGP, in the past decade MXGP has undoubtedly been the premier series with the fastest riders. But even then, the difference between AMA and MXGP is significantly smaller than the difference between ARA and WRC. That would be like comparing a local race series to MXGP.
  • 1 0
 @chrisclifford: Thanks. Makes me wonder. A few years ago Jeffrey Herlings had to miss a couple of MXGP rounds due to injury which implied he could no longer win the series. I recall he considered racing the AMA instead but I don't know whether he actually did. If he did, I wonder how he fared.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: he raced the Ironman National in 2017 and went 1-1
  • 3 0
 @jmhills: Block is a good marketer and showman but not a proper WRC driver, saw him in the Rally du Valais. The locals were faster on cheap Renault Clio and Peugeot 206-207. I think Loeb ( famous Rally driver in France) won against Block, Pastrana on a Citroen DS3. Subarus are way too big to be competitive in Europe too. I had an Impreza STI and have a Jdm Subaru B4 RSK. They are fun cars but not nimble, I would prefer a cheap Clio/Megane RS in the Alps than a WRX STI.
  • 3 0
 Is the rally racing industry greenwashing?
  • 3 0
 It's funny how this article sits next to the greenwashing article, and the tone of the comments read as though it's two different websites. Some people are definitely green posturing.
  • 1 2
 @mattmach7: A little bit funny, but still: Boo!
  • 1 0
 @mattmach7: another 50p wasted
  • 1 0
 @chrisclifford: Oh, I think it was a later year when he missed those MXGP rounds and wanted to try AMA, probably 2020 or so. In 2017 he did well in his debut in the MXGP.
  • 3 0
 @Ba1rog: Loeb can beat anyone. He is one of the greatest drivers ever. In any discipline.
  • 1 0
 @headshot: Is the rally industry pretending to be doing anything for the environment? No, they are not. There in lies the difference. You cannot "greenwash" if you are not pretending to be green in any way.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: i think the issue in the USA is that the focus is really on Supercross. Ultimately, that's what drives the sport here. MX in summer is almost an afterthought, lower ratings, less money, and half the guys either don't even line up or end up getting their surgeries done then so they can be at 100% for Anaheim 1 in January. The MXGP guys focus on MX all year, whereas in the USA it's probably 70% SX focus to 30% MX - as a guess. The interesting part, to me anyway, is that riders competing in SX and MX in the USA in general seem to make more money than MXGP riders. I'm curious why more of the top MXGP guys don't come over, but it might be that learning SX is difficult and risky.
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: Ah, goes to show how little I know of the sport. I actually had to look up the differences between SX and MX. I recall I did watch these SX races on tv back in the days, though I recall they were called stadiumcross back then (or maybe that's exactly what SX stands for) and we had riders like Dave Strijbos and John van den Berk competing. Yeah, whether Jeffrey Herlings would do well there I don't know. He does seem quick out of the corners so I can imagine he would. But I can imagine it might also require different (more nimble possibly) gear and adapting to just that for a quick mid-season switch is a bit much.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: SX = Supercross. I think SX is more technical, and the bike setup required is different - mainly stiffer suspension, which I gather is needed to make it through whoops at speed and time rhythm sections. You'd have to think Jeffrey has the chops to adapt to anything and do well. Winning at that level, we'll probably never know.
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: there are GP guys who’ve come over like Ferrandis, Roczen, Musquin all of whom have had success. But it’s definitely interesting that more don’t
  • 1 0
 @chrisclifford: totally - but I do think most of those guys came over when they were pretty young - 21 or less and coming out of the MX2 class. I can't think of anyone who came over once they were established in the MXGP class.
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: true, maybe by the time they’re on 450s they’re committed to where they want to live. Also a lot of these guys are only on 450s for a handful of years before retirement. I’m American but I’d rather win an MXGP title then an AMA title whether it be MX or SX
  • 1 0
 @chrisclifford: Yeah, fair. I think the core MX crowd would agree with that. I also think if you polled sponsors, agents and the like, they'd say the SX title is the most prestigious, but maybe they just think it has the most value to an athlete and sponsor...
I'd be interested to know what Eli and Jeffrey make, all-in, in a year of racing, not that money is everything...
  • 1 0
 @curendero: *everyone, looking around*: "Eagle river?!?"

-Hot Shots
  • 2 0
 @jmhills: Probably the best overall driver in the last 20 years or more.
Loeb is a monster.
  • 1 0
 @Losvar: Easily one of the best ever. He has the balls of McRae (who wasnt overall the best driver) with the analytical mind of Sainz (who was highly calculating).
  • 204 0
 Thank god he didn't die of dysentery
  • 64 0
 Always pay the friendly Indian to help you ford the river, only n00bs try to caulk the wagon and float it across
  • 20 0
 I wonder how many grandfather clocks he brought?
  • 28 0
 Unfortunately, Semenuk's daughter died of Cholera halfway through the journey.
  • 35 0
 He hunted 10,000 lbs of venison along the way but could only bring back 200.
  • 8 0
 @Lanebobane: And gathered zero vegetables
  • 4 0
 Comment gold right there
  • 1 0
 This made my day
  • 2 0
 @jgoldfield: he's keto, brah...
  • 145 3
 Looks like a session
  • 2 0
 damn you, you beat me to it
  • 128 1
 That's a silly bike
  • 19 2
 Another ebike
  • 97 0
 ...and the figure skating season is just beginning!
  • 2 0
 Would like to use more upvotes for this
  • 2 3
 Really hes also into figure skating? Any links?
  • 4 0
 @mountguitars: He sure is. He's been dubbed the Double Axel king for a reason.
  • 84 0
 Is that the single crown Subaru?
  • 28 0
 If you look closer, you'll find two lefties mounted.
  • 78 3
 So Semenuk is pretty much who we all wanted to be growing up.
  • 12 1
 I don't when we're going to get the "World's First Tailwhip In Orbit", but I'm sure we all know who's going to do it.
  • 4 0
 Asking for a friend, what age constitutes grown up?
  • 1 0
 @JulioValeinte: yep, jeff bezos!! yay!
  • 131 57
 LETS GO BRANDON
  • 16 5
 Dammit you beat me to it!
  • 41 7
 lol at the downvotes
  • 33 2
 @IntoTheEverflow: some people have no sense of humor
  • 26 35
flag RedBurn (Nov 10, 2021 at 3:43) (Below Threshold)
 @IntoTheEverflow: liberalism, find a cure
  • 28 14
 @RedBurn: politics, f*ck off elsewhere
  • 7 1
 Who put 50p in the dickhead?
  • 7 1
 This raises a good point. How do we earnestly cheer for Brandons now?
  • 3 1
 @bikeybikeybikebike: "come on brandon"? "Atta boy Brandon"?
  • 38 0
 Multi sport talent like that is a rare thing. Stoked to see one of "our" own killing it in another discipline.
  • 19 0
 Most people won't remember that Nicolas Vouilloz raced WRC and IRC between 2001 and 2009 with great results.
  • 5 1
 @nozes: he never scored points in the WRC, but he did well in the IRC and won the title in 2008
  • 4 0
 @chrisclifford: His best result in WRC was a 9th place in the 2004 Wales rally,he must have scored some points there.
Hope Semenuk has the chance to compete on a WRC event someday.
  • 2 0
 @nozes: nope, only first 8 in class took points
  • 2 0
 @Kubajz84: Oh,didn't know that. thanks.
  • 35 1
 John Hall doing dual duty as a bike mechanic and codriver! ... ... ... its a joke
  • 121 90
 So They cover this but not Kyle Warner’s story……..
We are rooting for you Kyle and a full recovery!!!
  • 43 18
 who?
  • 42 40
 @stormracing. How does this get downvoted? People are vicious..
  • 50 21
 @JDUBKC: that’s what I’m saying!
It’s sad that an incredible human being and athlete sharing the story of his life changing choice he made for the greater good of society is so frowned upon by people. Makes you think twice about how crappy some people really are that they can be so upset by it. The courage Kyle has to share it, is incredible! Think about how his life has changed…. Again, we are rooting for you and a full recovery Kyle!
  • 103 14
 Personally, I am glad to not see COVID news much on PB. It's unfortunate, but when you give 3+billion vaccinations of any kind there are going to be some serious reactions. For sure rooting for Kyle but also glad we're not seeing threads like this in PB. Also, Semenuk you are a legend. He has ice in those veins for real!
  • 7 12
flag quesoquesoqueso (Nov 9, 2021 at 12:53) (Below Threshold)
 @JDUBKC: nah, theyjust get their news from late night tv
  • 185 43
 Okay. Good god. It isn't a mystery as to why this is being downvoted. Anti-vaxxers are championing Kyle's story as a reason to not get vaccinated. Kyle's experience is tragic, but ultimately very very rare coming from an otherwise overwhelmingly safe vaccine. His story is sad, yes. But it's being taken advantage of to further a dangerous narrative - that people shouldn't get vaccines. Pushing Kyle's story to a wider audience would further the damage already done by those politicizing his personal tragedy. No vicious intent.
  • 12 7
 @freeinpg: well said.
  • 24 63
flag JDUBKC (Nov 9, 2021 at 12:57) (Below Threshold)
 @freeinpg: Personally, I am glad to not see CANCER news much on PB. It's unfortunate, but when you have 7 billion people on the planet there is going to be some Cancer. For sure rooting for Derek Dix but also glad we're not seeing threads like this in PB.
Look I get not wanting to be exposed to others hard situations but downvoting well wishes for someone who is struggling seems pretty crappy to me.
  • 40 9
 @JDUBKC: you are missing the point on purpose
  • 14 28
flag krumpdancer101 (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:11) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: What about Florian Dagoury. Top world free diver who holds the record of over 10 min had the same reaction.
  • 40 78
flag MmmBones (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:13) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: very very rare? More adverse reactions to CoV jab than all other vaccines from the last 20 years combined doesn’t sound “very very rare”
  • 33 11
 @krumpdancer101: Not something I'm aware of, but even if that's true, they are among a very small group of people. A sample size of two when compared to nearly billions does not carry weight.
  • 44 8
 @MmmBones: There have been 4 billion single doses of any Covid vaccine administered. I don't know the incidence rate of severe adverse reactions, but I'm willing to bet it's a very small number compared to 4 billion.
  • 15 64
flag krumpdancer101 (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:28) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: you keep saying it’s very rare. The only reason we are able to present you with these stories is because it is professional athletes so it is brought to the light. What about the three nurses I personally know who got Bell’s palsy after the shot? Why no stories written about them. The average day person nobody in big Pharma cares about so of course they don’t report on it.
  • 56 14
 @krumpdancer101: Any link between any Covid vaccine and Bell's Palsy has not been confirmed. It's more possible that Bell's Palsy is linked to being infected by Covid - even more reason to get vaccinated. Read this paper:

www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00467-9/fulltext21

The last line says it best; "...the benefit of getting vaccinated outweighs any possible risk."
  • 17 41
flag MmmBones (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:36) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: look at the VAERs reports if you don’t have a clue. it’s in the tens of thousands in the USA. And that’s just what is reported two weeks after second jab. If an adverse reaction happens before two weeks after the second jab it doesn’t count. Avg adverse reaction from normal vaccines is in the hundreds each year. This is beyond not normal.
  • 19 58
flag inside-plus (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:41) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: No, you're wrong. His story illustrates the lies and deceit behind the roll out of the vaccines and the pharmaceutical companies behind them.
  • 45 6
 @MmmBones: ANYBODY can report on VAERS. From VAERS themselves:

"The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines."

Further,

"VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information."
  • 10 28
flag inside-plus (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:42) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: If you're not aware of that free diver then perhaps you should rethink your argument when you are aware of him.
  • 14 0
 @inside-plus: Care to link a story about it? Would love to know what you're reading.
  • 11 52
flag krumpdancer101 (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:48) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: Oh so because some big Bureaucratic wing of government didn’t confirm it for you or you didn’t see it on Facist Book then I guess my stories are just made up.
  • 68 5
 @krumpdancer101: No. I linked you to a peer-reviewed journal. I trust that over your unsubstantiated claims. Also, fascist is spelled fascist.
  • 9 25
flag inside-plus (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:50) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: Google his name on YouTube. Easy as.

As for this "the relevant regulatory bodies, including the US Food and Drug Administration and the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency among others, have argued that the observed frequency in vaccinated individuals was no higher than the expected background rate. "

The quote literally goes against the presented data, they are losing. These are also the folks who didn't turn up to the hearing Kyle went and spoke in.
  • 55 5
 Kyle has/had pericarditis/myocarditis. Rate is 10 per 1,000,000 after first dose and 67 per 1,000,000 after second dose. mRNA vaccines only. For comparison, gun death rate in USA in 2019 was 40 per million. Vehicle deaths 110 per million people. Note that rate for last two is per population, whereas the former is per dose. For a rate per population you could halve the incidence rates because about half the USA population has had mRNA vaccinations. Roughly.
  • 7 51
flag krumpdancer101 (Nov 9, 2021 at 13:54) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: glad you can spell check because your info is garbage
  • 15 3
 @iamamodel: Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the numbers.
  • 16 46
flag krumpdancer101 (Nov 9, 2021 at 14:03) (Below Threshold)
 @iamamodel: Kind of like comparing the number of people who tested positive for Covid compared to the number that died. 46,500,000 REPORTED cases vs 750,000 deaths. A death equals you having COVID whether that killed you or not.
  • 16 46
flag jclnv (Nov 9, 2021 at 14:04) (Below Threshold)
 Do we know the rate of mild myocarditis and pericarditis when symptoms only appear when the body is under vascular stress? I’d like to see 1000 healthy people perform a Vo2 test post vaccination. Regardless of the adverse events, the “vaccines” themselves have statistically zero efficacy so it’s ultimately irrelevant.
  • 49 8
 @krumpdancer101: I think Kyle's story is important, and I also think it's being used to tell a narrative that the data shows isn't in the public's best interest. That is to say, people are using it to suggest getting the vaccine is more dangerous *on average* than not getting it.
Yes, it's possible that for the individual Kyle, it turned out to be more dangerous to have gotten it. And that sucks, and I would be pissed as hell if I had to experience that, and would want to hold somebody accountable. But, the data seems to consistently show that risks of injuries from contracting COVID, regardless of age group, are statistically greater than from the vaccines. And if the result of him telling this story, and it getting shared all over, is that fewer people get the vaccine, therefor statistically increasing odds of contracting COVID and thus experiencing injuries or health issues, then I think it's hard to argue it isn't harmful to blast that story on a platform such as pinkbike.
Again, this really sucks for Kyle, and there's nothing about the data that helps him or anybody in his position. I really feel for him, and being such a relatable person to the mtb community, made me think. This whole pandemic is about doing what's best for everybody, on average, and unfortunately that means some people, like Kyle, will get the short straw.
  • 16 0
 Having ridden with Kyle, I can truly say that he is just as great of a human on camera as he is off camera. He is such a great ambassador for our mtb community here in Idaho, I truly have him in my prayers and I hope that others do to.
  • 27 29
 @jclnv: there is no such thing as “mild” myocarditis. It is serious af. It is rare amongst under 30yo’s. There is a massive uptick in myo/pericarditis in CoV vaccinated under 30yo’s. This is a huge problem.
  • 26 39
flag jclnv (Nov 9, 2021 at 14:26) (Below Threshold)
 @MmmBones: I did read that there has been a 16 fold increase in teenage cardiac related deaths in the UK. I’m absolutely lost as to why anyone would still be onboard with any aspect of the COVID-19 agenda these days. It’s rather a sad reflection of societal compliance.
  • 17 34
flag krumpdancer101 (Nov 9, 2021 at 14:26) (Below Threshold)
 @Gristle: I wasn’t using the story to portray any narrative. I personally have witnessed close to 50 people catch Covid and not one person was hospitalized or died. So it’s hard for me to believe the stories that I hear that it’s going to kill me if I walk out of the house or hug a family member. I think a lot of stories have been used and exaggerated to help a certain person’s narrative. But to say that it’s not coming from both sides is just being blinded.
  • 9 24
flag MmmBones (Nov 9, 2021 at 15:15) (Below Threshold)
 @GotchaJimmy: VEARS also states accepting reports from anyone as a strength. Also says that the reporting system is reliable as an indicator of whether a vaccine should be investigated further, which a massive spike in adverse reports would illicit. There is a massive spike in reports, eclipsing all reports from the last 20 years combined.
  • 1 2
 Lmao wut?
  • 3 2
 Who is Kyle Warner??
  • 29 4
 @jclnv: and I read that everyone that gets the vaccine becomes magnetic.

If it’s not from a peer reviewed journal I don’t care what you read.
  • 14 28
flag jclnv (Nov 9, 2021 at 16:57) (Below Threshold)
 @sdurant12: To quote Bret Weinstein, “peer review is the cancer of modern science”. It may as well be renamed ‘corporate interest review’ as the vast majority of current scientific research is corporate funded.

I find it much more convincing when someone goes against the narrative like Peter Doshi did the other day. I also find it healthy to remind myself of this quote in these days of groupthink. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain.

Peter Doshi making a mockery of the entire narrative in 5 minutes - m.youtube.com/watch?v=3aZd6aTCAkM
  • 36 1
 @GotchaJimmy: I try not to comment much on PB, and I’ve definitely never made a post about COVID here. However, here are my thoughts. In New Zealand the last safety report said there were 192 cases of myocarditis following vaccinations. There were 1125 serious adverse effects in total. There were 6,606065 individual doses administered at the time. That means you have a 0.003% chance of getting myocarditis and a 1.7% following a dose of the Pfizer vaccine in our population. These situations are horrible because you can only go off the probabilities. If I had to cross a road to get away from an angry man trying to fight people (COVID metaphor) and knew I had a 1.7% chance of getting hit by a car I would cross every time, but you were one of the 1.7% who got hit you might tell people to beware crossing the road. What happened to Kyle is awful, listen to what he has to say, but put it into perspective as well. I hope he gets the support he needs and deserves. www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-34.asp
  • 18 2
 @krumpdancer101: that Bell's palsy link is BS. Stop spouting unproven things
  • 21 23
 @Vilhelm: And to put that risk into real world relative terms, the disease you’re taking that risk to possibly reduce symptoms has a 98.84% survival rate (-70 years old), those who die have on average 2.6 comorbidities (obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cancer etc), and finally, the vast majority have little more than flu-like symptoms.

How is that risk/benefit looking now? I think you could argue the case for these ‘vaccines’ if they immunized against disease but most countries are trending towards higher percentages of the hospitalized who are vaccinated. And how many boosters are you going to take? The spike is cytotoxic so an accumulation of bi-annual doses is madness. At that stage you may as well get the virus, treat it with antivirals or whatever, and have vastly superior, likely lifelong, immunity.
  • 10 4
 @jclnv: Higher percentage of vaccinated hospitalizations is a good thing as that means a drastically lower number of total cases requiring hospitalization. Of course the percentage will go up when the majority of people are vaccinated, it's the total number of cases that's important
  • 29 17
 Wow, yet another anti vaccine thread, you’d think we’d have moved beyond this nonsense by now.

As a medical provider, I recommend the vaccine for all people regardless of their medical history. Many people fail to remember that the earliest COVID vaccinations were specifically targeted at those most at risk.

But hey, you can choose to skip the vaccine and take your chances, I could care less if someone makes that decision, but don’t be surprised if you get really sick.

My wife and I are both medical providers and in the nearly twelve months since vaccinations for COVID started, neither of us we seen serious reactions to the vaccine.

I just got my booster today, shoulder is barely sore, I’ll ride in the morning before work.

Get vaccinated, you don’t wanna be that person who wishes they’d gotten it after it’s already too late. Hindsight is 20/20.
  • 15 1
 @jclnv: Of course the vast majority of research is funded by corporations because few independent researchers have the money. When a company needs to test a new product, they will essentially hire a university or hospital etc. to do INDEPENDENT testing/trials. All methods etc are published so that anyone else can duplicate the results - that's why 'peer reviewed' exists. Anyone caught falsifying results are done e.g. that dickhead ex-doctor who started all the MMR and autism bullshit who falsified results for his own financial gain.
  • 7 12
flag jclnv (Nov 9, 2021 at 22:08) (Below Threshold)
 @src248: Cases? Based on PCR?

Regardless, the number of hospitalizations appear to be increasing in the UK since August, which I guess is due to seasonality? If you look at the data, every country seems to have a series of waves that seem to be diminishing in size as the vulnerable and elderly are picked off. According to Carl Heneghan (Oxford) this is why we’re currently seeing lower mortality. This makes sense to me as it’s the same elderly demographic who are dying, regardless of ‘vaccine’ status.
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 @jclnv: gtfo pinkbike with your anti Vax crap. You're not a doctor so stop pretending to be one
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 @MmmBones: although I must say getting pericarditis from the vaccine sucks, one must add that there is a 3-4 times higher chance of getting pericarditis from having Covid 19 than getting it from the vaccine.
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 @iamamodel: sadly no point putting logic and data and facts to the Anti Vaxxers. My Nephew had an adverse reaction but is fine today. I know approximately 100 people reasonably well of which only 5 are not vaccinated. apart from my nephew none of those vaccinated have had adverse reactions.

Best thing is let the Anti Vaxxers remain so. When they get Covid they can go to the ICU and then risk death 100X more than the rest of us.

Its Darwin's theorem come back for good purpose.
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flag jclnv (Nov 9, 2021 at 23:29) (Below Threshold)
 @giantwhip: You don’t have to be a doctor, you just have to be willing to look at the data and scientists speaking out against the obvious corporate pharmaceutical agenda to sell billions of vaccines. You’re unlikely to hear them on CBC though bro. If you take issue with anything specific that I’ve said, point it out and I’ll try and find the source. I have been reading a lot lately though, as everyone should, especially parents. BTW I strongly suspect you fit into the definition of anti-vaxxer, unless you’re dumb enough to take any government mandated vaccine.
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flag jclnv (Nov 9, 2021 at 23:38) (Below Threshold)
 @professed: “Best thing is let the Anti Vaxxers remain so. When they get Covid they can go to the ICU and then risk death 100X more than the rest of us.”

This is the weird thing I’ve noticed amongst the vaccinated. It’s like a cult. If you’re not in our “I trust the science” (as if there is such a thing as ‘the science’j you’re going to go to a sort of COVID hell.

BTW have you got a source for those numbers? They’re even better than Pfizer’s and they’re complete junk.
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 @Gristle: If this study is accurate www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1 then your statement about age groups is false, showing the risk of myocarditis is significantly higher for aged 12-15 boys than covid risk. While the stats you're referring to might include all ages they don't include all health conditions, we know covid mostly affects the elderly and those with comorbidities so the argument that a healthy, young person is better off with the jab vs covid is still far from settled. At the least there is a massive gray area until further data comes out, so people should be informed of stories like Kyles and be allowed to choose for themselves.
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 @nurseben: “you can choose to skip the vaccine and take your chances”. what chances? Can you tell me what are the chances of dying from COVID under the age of 40?
If you take Italy for example, of the130k people who (supposedly) died from COVID in almost 2 years, only 399 were less than 40 years old, half of which had severe pre existing conditions.
Yeah, I guess I’ll take my chances
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 @ghirox85: "of the130k people who (supposedly) died from COVID in almost 2 years, only 399 were less than 40 years old, half of which had severe pre existing conditions."

That's a very specific claim. Do you have a link to a source for this claim and where the data has been gathered? There have been 142K Covid deaths in the UK alone. 5m deaths globally.
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 @jclnv: I'd say the same about the antivaxxers, that's a cult. Going along with prevailing medical advice is less of a cult and more how the human race has survived. You'll get the occasional pro-vaccination idiot, sure. But every antivaxxer is an idiot.
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 @rbeach: I was waiting for that.
Here it is:
www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-analysis-of-deaths

By the way, ISS is to Italy what the NIH is to the US.
And yes, 5 million deaths worldwide in almost 2 years. To give a proportion, consider that approximately 18 million people die each year of cardiovascular diseases.
  • 6 2
 @krumpdancer101: For those seeking to understand wtf is up with these anti-vaxx followers of the ochre abomination, I offer this. youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc
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 @rbeach: “every anti-vaxxer is an idiot”
Quite a broad, generalized statement there. Most people I know who get labeled as anti-vaxxers are simply advocating for freedom of choice or are simply against these particular vaccines (2 of which aren’t even technically vaccines, are they?), for a number of reasons
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 @Vilhelm: I like the analogy, thank you for broadening my perspective.
  • 4 2
 @iamamodel: not that rare. Happened to me and two other friends
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 Came here for the Semenuk winning an event in a completely different sport than bikes, cool and uplifting....but got comments on a vaccine injury, Cool!.
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 @rbeach: Possibly, although I’ve never said that people who have taken this vaccine are going to die in some weird, vindictive way.

Also the medical advice from the governments and their ‘science’ is to get vaccinated after you’ve recovered from the virus which is going against the actual prevailing medical advice. Same goes for vaccinating children. As you know the government went against the prevailing science in recommending that. Tthose two things alone should make people question the narrative.
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 @jclnv: As I said, you do get occasional idiots.

Not true regarding the advice. Maybe in some places (not that I've seen), but in the UK advice is for everyone to get vaccinated.
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 @ghirox85: If you were waiting to do a "gotcha" why didn't you just present your evidence to begin with? And I see your stat was for Italy only.

Ah so because more people die of something else, covid doesn't matter? Got it.

No, it's not a personal choice, it's a public health issue, so with all due respect f*ck your personal choice. If idiots like anti-vaxxers had their way many millions would also have died of smallpox, measles and other diseases (although the latter is seeing a resurgence thanks to antivax idiots).

All antivaxxers are idiots. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that.
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 @rbeach: Actually the science in the UK was against the ‘vaccines’ for 12-15 year olds.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2180
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 @rbeach: Your argument that it is a public health issue if this therapeutic injections, sorry vaccines, worked like actual vaccines. They don’t and that’s why the definition of vaccine had to be amended.

Here’s another great video questioning the narrative that people might enjoy - rumble.com/vouyfd-dr-scot-a-youngblood-md-speaking-to-the-san-diego-county-board-of-superviso.html?fbclid=IwAR1DWVSLDoJkkMCN_b-i7QygG7eGTGxyccfeVsSVnO4lynDauJ-12TCeQOs
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 @rbeach: I’m sorry if you felt deceived by me not sharing my sources, bro.
In any case, you asked for proof to substantiate my claims and I gave it.
Now would you please do the same and explain why having an experimental drug injected into your body is not a matter of personal choice but, as you say, a public health issue?
Is there data showing that vaccinated people do not transmit the infection to others?
Moreover, was there ever a time in recent history when “millions of people” died of measles?
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 @brentwhipple: Thanks for sharing that study. While interesting, and certainly raises valid questions, it looks like the study is too flawed to draw any conclusions with certainty from it. It's not yet peer-reviewed (says in the top) and if you read the 100+ comments section, that study is getting pretty lit up for having numerous flaws and assumptions. But, the question you are getting at, if that age group of males has a greater risk from the vaccine than from COVID, is an important one, and should be investigated. But I don't think the study you link is very conclusive about that question.
  • 6 4
 The issue is the ‘vaccine’ trials were were not very thorough. They didn’t need to be as they knew the EUA would be granted. Neither reproductive toxicity nor genotoxicity (DNA mutation) studies were performed, both of which are considered critical when developing a new drug or vaccine for human use.

The result of that is that we failed to realize the spike protein itself is cytotoxic.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34696485
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 @GotchaJimmy: Not an anti vax retard, but statistically, the vaccine is equally if not more risky for his age group than the disease.
There are legitimate concerns around the covid vaccines, no matter what the people on your television tells you.
I took both pfizer and moderna, and luckily only got extremely sick for a week (41 C/106 F fever), but with no lasting negative effects.
Now some countries are banning moderna for young people, and the astra zeneca is already banned most places.
Don't fall for propaganda, make informed decisions.
We had a lot of infections here, and there were quite a few people my age that got severe health issues after recovering from covid, so I assessed the risk for me personally, and decided to get the jab, I probably wouldn't if I got the offer this late.

Edit: most countries had new all time record lows for death rates during this pandemic, was it really bad enough to force experimental drugs on people?
This vaccines didn't see clinical trials that are normally required for all vaccines, due to how "severe the pandemic was".
  • 14 0
 He's really blossomed
  • 12 0
 I wonder if he could qualify for a world cup
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 @hamncheez: You mean WRC or downhill? I think the answer to both is: nope.
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flag inside-plus (Nov 9, 2021 at 14:04) (Below Threshold)
 @hirvi: You think the man who's won ramage 4 times with some really tech and gnarly lines can't qualify for a DH world cup?

Lol
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 @inside-plus: @inside-plus: No, because he's not a racer. Remy Metallier doesn't even qualify for WC DH, and he was a dedicated DH racer.
  • 5 1
 @rbeach: I'm 100% confident that Semenuks bike handling skills are good enough to get him a WC qualification, if he put in an off season of prep he can easily do it. He can corner a bike, deal with high speeds, G outs, braking and the mental side of it better than most WC racers can. There are a ton of riders that qualify who aren't even remotely close to Brandon's ability on a bike. His work ethic is higher than 90% of the world cup field, he also has a brain that's already programmed to succeed.

It's not like DH racing is the same as ski racing or F1 where it takes 1000s of hours getting your edges in on ice or whatever they do to make them good.

Everyone thought the same thing about Candide before he won a free rider world tour.
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 @rbeach: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLI0rTuT0AU Guy he's riding with has qualified for world cups. Brendon pulls away like crazy on some sections, looks really comfortable. The track is wc level tech.
  • 12 1
 hopefully next year he runs a single crown and does flipwhips.
  • 9 0
 Yeah but those rally stages are becoming too slopestyle. They shouldn’t be allowed to drive on roads and go back to the basics like in the good old days…
  • 7 0
 I guess I'm way out of the loop with Brandon's rally racing (which I remember years ago him saying he enjoyed as a hobby). I had no idea he did it professionally! That is insane!
  • 9 4
 Not to put too much of a dampener on this, but ken block and travis pastrana or any american for that matter, are hardly expert rally drivers. They are good at their doughnuts and whatnot, but they have always come up short against proper WRC racers.
  • 3 1
 this is a good point. name dropping is very effective, gotta get those clicks!!
  • 4 0
 I see the course went straight thru “downtown” Centerville too. I can’t imagine what the 129 people who live there were thinking, lol. The town literally has no stores, no stop lights and anyone who drives thru it could easily mistake it for a ghost town. Literally a place where nothing ever happens
  • 9 0
 That what is great about living in the US. We have land and lots of it. Oregon has 3 miles of dirt roads for every mile of pavement.
  • 3 0
 Reminds me of the single sign that says "Welcome to Kyburz. Now leaving Kyburz."
  • 5 0
 @ryane: Ha! That reminds of one of the lads that was on a car forum I was also on years ago, his signature line at the bottom of every post was:
"The best thing my daddy ever taught me was, that for every mile of road, THERE's TWO MILES of DITCH!!"
  • 8 0
 What am i doing with my life.....
  • 7 1
 The GOAT! Semenuk is just out there, being the best in 2 different sports. The guy is killing it.
  • 5 1
 Calm down, he's good at this particular level of rally, but this is below WRC level.
  • 9 3
 Aaron Gwin is bro-shaking hands with bros, Semenuk is winning rally races.
  • 6 0
 Rally Brandon talks much more than bike Brandon.
  • 6 0
 Looks like a session
  • 4 0
 How is this race series viewed versus the elite of pro rally racing? Is it kind of a B league or is it on a similar level?
  • 6 1
 American rally vs WRC is kind of like Indy vs F1
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 It's not even close to the level of WRC, and also it's not even sanctioned by the FIA as a national championship unless I'm mistaken. It would be like comparing the "pro" class of your local DH series to the World Cup. There's only one factory team (Subaru) so there are basically three people who have a chance at winning. It's basically Subaru's marketing program and a hobby for people who love to drive. That isn't to say that Semenuk, Pastrana, etc are not very talented though
  • 9 0
 Ken Block tried the WRC in the past and struggled a lot to keep the car straight and avoid drifting.
Roads in Europe are not wide as we can see there in Oregon, and have sharp corners with a lot of grips variation.
So we are not speaking about the same type of sport.
Cars are not the same, much smaller, lighter and Acceleration vs Power to Weight Ratio is huge.
Every rally is different, every tarmac streets are different, every gravel in the WRC runs are different. This is why the WRC pilots are in my opinion the BEST in the world
Something similar to Oregon's stages could be Finland www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu8SBZrdoRA
The trickiest stages in the WRC season could be Monte-Carlo www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvCRkf8r6Yg
Roughest stages Turkey, Greece, Argentina, Mexico www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkdkKyAB_CU
So I can say that the North Am pro rally league is not to be compared to the WRC

But saying that is also making us arrogant , that's why it would be interesting to compare the performances btw continents
  • 6 2
 @nsker American rally is not even close to WRC in terms of driving Level.
  • 1 1
 @petrospit: Whatever you say man
  • 1 0
 How do you make a ton of money in mtb? Go win some some rally races. Just kidding, I am sure he is one of a few people who's been making bookoo bucs in the bike industry for the last 10+ years. He'd probably still be doing both for free even if he wasn't getting paid, unlike the dude in the story below, who just signed himself for another few years. Brandon really is pretty unbelievable.
  • 4 0
 Ken Block is driving Subaru now?!
  • 2 0
 He left ford a while ago.
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 @samcameronnz: He's with Audi now, but presumably they're cool with him racing in other cars
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 @src248: It's probably Audi for the videos, anything he wants for the races.
  • 4 1
 Curling national championship - could I get an update please?
Where's the CEO of this place?, I want equality
  • 4 0
 How do these guys compare to wrc drivers? On a level or nowhere near?
  • 8 0
 no where near, look at Ken Block for example. He raced some European rounds and was hopeless to say the best. Whilst Semenuk and Pastrana can drive they're not at the level of a WRC driver.
  • 5 0
 The top drivers are competitive with the slower WRC drivers. Block and Pastrana have done some WRC events and were usually around 20th place
  • 1 0
 None of this is overnight either, he has had to battle it out in the lower ranks for many years to get where he is now in Rally. Good on him, this wasn't handed to him , it was all hard work.
  • 2 0
 Saw these guys with cars and RV’s driving down the road randomly and wanted to follow!!
  • 2 0
 He is a mutant with insane calm and very fast reaction times. Slows down reality to bend it to his liking. Amazing human.
  • 3 0
 Love the fenders on the STi.
  • 2 1
 Lol wut? Goldendale? I never would have imagined in my life that Semenuk, Pastrana and Block would be racing in Goldendale.
  • 2 0
 Bro... wasn't Ken block there?

I knew brandon was a proper rally driver, but I didn't know he was THIS good
  • 8 0
 Ken isn't a top tier rally racer. Check his wrc results. He's talented at driving though
  • 5 0
 Ken Block isn’t an elite level rally driver
  • 2 0
 @makripper: Aaah. Yep, see it now. Maybe that's why I hadn't heard about him through motorsport before.
  • 1 2
 @Darwin66: LEL you think block and this sausage is good? Look at the WRC.
You need to tell yourself, Youtube content dont make you win real sports medals.
  • 1 0
 I wonder what bar width he runs in the car? Or maybe he will be running a steering wheel instead of bars at the next rampage??? Hmm, naw, too slopestyle.
  • 2 0
 Who? Travis Pastrami, Ham Block, Bacon Semenuk? Damn I'm hungry, gotta go...
  • 1 0
 Holy hecking; he's literally what I always dreamed to be.
Homer voice: "yeah how 'bout that"

i.ytimg.com/vi/WCkokngmD8M/maxresdefault.jpg
  • 2 0
 Trading stage wins with Pastrana? It seems Brandon can seriously wheel!
  • 3 0
 Dudes a beast. Had he not skipped a race to win Rampage he would have been right in the mix for the championship. Competing at that high of a level in multiple things is crazy.
  • 2 0
 Brandon Semenuk just b doin stuff tbh
  • 2 0
 Subaru, bring back the Launch Control YouTube series pleeeeeaaaaase.
  • 1 0
 It has been great to follow his career over the years.what an accomplished athelete.
  • 3 2
 Action sports stars converting over to rally... so hot right now!!
  • 8 1
 Semenuk driving rally is not exactly a new thing.
  • 2 0
 @nateb: Never said it was brother!!
  • 3 1
 Where is the bike?!?
  • 1 0
 Dude is living the dream.
  • 1 0
 Some guys just know how to win. Congratulations Brandon!
  • 1 0
 Ken block drives for Audi?
  • 2 0
 Audi invited Block once to test the Group B Quattro S1 and an other Prototype It was a mediatic approach, nothing about official Rallying Audi is thinking about an eventual come back in WRC but nothing confirmed yet
  • 1 0
 Seb Ogier, give him a race...
  • 1 0
 You're joking right?
  • 8 6
 Let’s go Brandon!
  • 2 0
 rampage to rally. GOAT
  • 1 0
 Daaamn! Congratz! To beat Pastrana he has to be really good...!
  • 1 0
 Boston Dynamics' stuff gets real
  • 1 0
 Imagine how much faster he'd have been with superboost.
  • 1 0
 hes that mountain bike dude right?
  • 1 0
 His car kinda looks like a session......
  • 1 0
 Sick of Gwin to let Brandon use his mechanic as his codriver!
  • 1 0
 Impressive!
  • 6 5
 Lgb
  • 6 5
 FJB
  • 1 0
 Slopestyle
  • 1 0
 Wow racing rally!
  • 1 1
 LGB …. In which I mean lesbian gay and bi community …of course .
  • 1 0
 LEGEND!
  • 1 0
 Some boy...
  • 1 0
 This is a MTB website.
  • 5 6
 BuT ThIs iSNt a MoToRBiKe wEb siTE. MoTOR + wHeELs = eBiKe
  • 2 2
 This is so true, it was so accurate that 3 people who are lame AF downvoted this. E-bikes are just bikes with E that’s all!
  • 3 0
 We should totally allow this on our trails. Because rally cars are so fun.
  • 1 1
 Don't be a sheep!
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