Brendan Fairclough's 2019 Rampage Bike Amongst Bikes Stolen from Bike Shop

 You win!

 Too good man! Lol

 Norbs bike had to be in there ???

 what a happy ending!
I love when bicycles get returned to their owner in 1 piece

 @lejake: rules of the streets, criminals live by it. career criminals would beat the hell of you for stealing their stolen goods. I get that businesses and corporations shouldn't hound fools and beat them, but there's a mutual understanding between criminals and private owners when someone gets their stuff robbed.

 @LegitLegato: here’s a guy that had his car stolen and his dog killed, he unleashed ungodly violence on the perps. Everyone involved agreed violence was justified. His name was John something , google it.

 @kingbike2: sounds like the babayaga

 @lejake: It 10000% does justify violence. And rest assured, violence there will be

 @lejake: Violence is basically the only effective way of protecting private property and yourself. Police rarely ever catch thieves, murderers, assaulters in the act. I would rather prevent my property from being stolen or vandalized then waiting for the police to pull up after the crime has been committed and give me false hope that I get my stuff back and the criminals get punished. For every bike returned hundreds never get found by the owners. People can blab all they want about criminals being misunderstood and the need for social reform, but at the end of the day there will always be shitty people that do shitty stuff.

 @lejake: I agree that public beatings aren’t civilized, or appropriate, in any but the most egregious cases (talking French Revolution/Arab Spring /‘eat the rich’ {still waiting on this one}) but I do support the position of the theory that:

Public shaming and fear of consequential retribution for recognized societal transgressions might inhibit certain antisocial behaviors…

Might be valid. It’s literally the basis of law.

Obviously folks that upvote my original comment are victims or friends of victims (of bike theft). I’m not condoning extra-judicial executions or anything, and everybody knows that if you curb-stomp someone you should go to jail. Tar&Feather went away a long time ago. (But you have to admit sealant and carbon is funny)?

A black eye and brief public humiliation, as suggested here, vs a potential lifetime of parole and recursive legal detriment (..or lasting physical disability) would logically be the best choice.

Let’s discuss, if you wish…

 @kingbike2: I refer to my two female pups as my ‘dogters’.

One of them was viciously bitten by neighbor’s attack-dog (nearly blinded, deep lacerations to neck and chest, for wanting to say “hi”). Cops involved, court, whole 9-yards. Fences, HOA bullshit, legal challenges from the entire HOA pending…. This all in a country with more guns than people.

One big problem is folks not wiling to engage personally before forcing the issue to physical altercation/ cops/ courts. A simple ‘hey, let’s talk’, or whatever would (could) pre-empt things right off the bat. Thieves have made up their minds; they’re desperate for whatever reason. I’ve had a few good convos with thieving mf’s where I could literally just help them out, “yo, you need a meal?” Or just , what’s up bro? Most are willing to back off and engage once engaged with a modicum of humanity.

 @kingbike2 see above

 The problem with that story is that it probably didn't prevent further thefts and certainly didn't assist in helping previous victims. Maybe the police wouldn't have been any help either. They definitely wouldn't be any help where I live unless they got some extra cash and an untraceable gun to help with their inquiry.

 @singletrackjamaica: ? I agree future thefts were probably not significantly reduced.

Look… I’m absolutely not suggesting that vigilantism is ever warranted. The rage you feel when someone steals yer shit is real.

 @Tarka: Vigilantism? It's called defending yourself and your property. You're just enable criminals with this woke crap. Give him a hug and he won't do it again. Wake up

 @Tarka: lifetime of parole for stealing a bike?

 @kyleluvsdh: I’ll be clear: You break into my house when I’m home and your chances of long-term survival plummet. Castle laws are what they are, but I’m compliant and on board.

Beating down a punk kid in the streets for trying to steal something off your car will get you put in jail these days, and won’t stop them from doing the same shit again… but humanizing the situation, if you can, might help and isn’t ‘woke crap’ - it’s being a good person. At the very least it’s worth a try. The story of the beating is more a fable than a manual.

What would you do? Beat some desperate person to a pulp, kill them in the street, or maybe just tell them to f*ck off? …would you ever think to reach out to them and ask why or whether you could help?

 @pmhobson: felony grand theft, assault, destruction of property, etc… depending on how things go. The felony theft alone is enough to f*ck up your life. …but sure, maybe not ‘lifetime’, fair grammatical point.

 @Tarka: I mean, maybe cops do things where you live. Around here, not so much.

 Well, the danger is that if everybody doled out their own justice as they see fit, soon enough we'd all be at each others throats.
"You beat me up too badly when I tried to steal your bike. I'll have my justice coming for you with my friends."
We'd be going back to medieval times (or even darker ages).

 @lejake: something only someone with an infantile, first-world centric view could say.

 @ tarka ,of course this treatment should extend to all thieves including politicians and bankers and other parasites,they have been robbing us blind for years.

 @sorrymissjackson: do not take calls for violence in retaliation for theft to its logical conclusion

 I feel like I should clarify. My bloodlust during that dog situation was Wick-level. My desire to not go to jail for the rest of my life tempered those impulses. Instead I yelled at them, and they called the cops on me for threats. (There were no threats, but profanity qualifies as “fighting words” in CO, since we adopted TX code in that specific use-case) …know your local laws/rights before doing anything stupid.

And if you live in the US, either make friends with lawyers and/or shut the f*** up if a cop talks to you.

 @sorrymissjackson: Austria is nice, but have you seen what gang violence is like in the US these days? Medieval doesn’t even come close (trolling comment). Full-auto glocks, AR’s, name it. It’s called “chi-raq” for a reason.


If we can ever achieve a true social democracy and get banks/corps out of our politics we may have a chance at long term stability.

…Even driving to work here on your morning commute can end in armed conflict. Americans (U.S.) are probably doomed to another civil war (or separatist insurgency) within 30 years. Even if not, all us lefty-pinko-etc-etc folk should be ready. (Also trolling, but half fo-reals)

 @Tarka: I am aware that street violence is a real problem in too many parts of the US. And I agree with you that it's a problem that can only be solved from the top - the politicians of your country (so choose wisely).
While no system on this planet is perfect, it's better to have something in place that's meant to serve and support its people, rather than people taking things into their own hands. Violence leads to more violence, too many countries prove it on a daily base.

 you misspelled "government"

 @trialsracer: synonyms really.

 You’re giving these morons too much credit. They probably don’t know it’s special and they may try and sell it complete.

 @Struggleteam: yeah, at best, they’ve identified it as a nice bike, maybe they have learnt to identify kashima or even just the Scott name as higher value.
At worst, the bike is there on display so they assume it is the top model because it gets special priority placement in the shop.
Can guarantee they have never watched rampage or know who BF is.

 @AyJayDoubleyou: let’s hope they do try and move it complete so they get caught.

 Enve wheels, Fox40, and DHX Coil all easy to sell. They takes whole bikes because they roll right out of the door.

 @Snowytrail: That 40 will not be easy to sell.... I hope they try and sell that thing.

 Air tags work really well when theirs lots of apple devices everywhere like the US outside of that their effectiveness drops significantly. Plus the bike is probably getting stripped for parts by now

 @briain: Right - AirTags only work for Apple; there are brands that are cross platform compatible. I used AirTag to get a baseline for thought and then included "or equivalent".
But I get what you're saying.
Also - they've possibly hit more than one location - if trackers were piling up it would help.

 @BenLow2019: police don't care if insurance doesn't care. Insurance doesn't care if your bikes aren't secured. You could stick an airtag to every component, you aren't seeing your bike again.

 @RonSauce: Exactly. As I alluded in the original post: When the bike shops are getting insurance companies to pay out $$$$$ then the insurance companies may soon require additional security measurements installed such as the aforementioned AirTag or equivalent. This is the same way we now have Lo-Jack (and similar) on cars and get a reduced insurance premium because of it.

 @BenLow2019: Airtags will notify any iphone user very quickly that an airtag is following them so it is really not a great way to secure your bike. It would only works if the thief doesnt have an iphone. but apple even makes an Android app that lets users detect airtags around them.

 @tjbiker38: I think we're getting hung up on "AirTag".
Let's replace "AirTag" and consider Lo-Jack for bikes or any installed device that can be used to alert the insurance company and police when a vehicle (in our case a bike) has been stolen and needs to be found. We're talking about 'asset tracking'. Discuss.

 @BenLow2019: fair enough. I'd just be hesitant to give insurance companies a reason not to pay out. So as a rule I dont want anything to be a condition of insurance. As it stands in Ireland if you have a house alarm and it isn't turned on your insurance is void even if your in the house. Bicycle insurance requires your bike to locked with a gold secure chain to a ground anchor attached to a stone wall so it's only insured in your garage. So hopefully it makes sense it's not about securing your property but more about loopholes for insurers to refuse claims

 @briain: think of insurance as a bet. You say "i bet $5 a month my bike will get stolen, if it does you owe me $5000". Then the insurance comes back with "ill take that bet on the condition that you try to not let it get stolen", and then name their terms. Their terms would be things like locking it up in an acceptable location, so it is where its supposed to be.

A tracking device of any kind is useless, they want to avoid the crime and collect their monthly payments. What an insurance company doesn't want to do is track anything down, they aren't bounty hunters.

Also, when you get shit stolen in the US, if it becomes evidence you won't be seeing your property any time soon. The larger the crime/organization the longer they hold on to your evidence. I lost a toolbox to an organized theft/fraud ring 5 years ago, I was told by detectives to just kiss it goodbye. Maybe I should have put an airbag in my toolbox...

 @RonSauce: true, insurance here has the couple of times I looked at it was approximately a third of the retail value of the bike which is a non starter. Don't think the law is too much different in terms of having evidence returned quickly. Also as I have a GPS tracker on my motorbike it doesn't work once it's put in a metal box ie shipping container so their not that useful

 @briain: some trackers work through metal and such. You need to find a tracker that works for your situation.

 At least if you "borrow" a bike like this, you should flip the canyon gap and do the push ups for Jordie mid run.

 Only if they’re from Handsom thieves

 jsnfschr
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