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Brian's Randoms from Eurobike 2024

Jul 9, 2024
by Brian Park  
Eurobike 2024
We partnered with Fahrstil and Bespoked to help support the Eurobike Handmade Area this year, and it turned out to be a highlight of the show for me.


Another Eurobike has come and gone, and I'm flying home full of questions—and a schnitzel hangover. This year's show was a big change from last year; in some ways it was more muted, with most of the major launches happening before the show, but in general the mood was more positive. Last year the suppliers (factories, people who make things themselves) were dejectedly telling us that they didn't get any orders and were going to head home and lay off half of their workforce. There's still too much old stock in the market according to the brands, which means there are discounts available to consumers, but things are more stable overall and people know where they stand.

All that said, there were still some very interesting things hiding throughout the halls of the Messe Frankfurt, and I think we found most of them. Read on for a few of my favourites.





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Rimpact Mass Damper
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Very interesting.

Rimpact Mass Damper

The folks from Rimpact were wandering the halls and showed me this mass damper they're working on. It's a ~500g weight that sits inside your headtube between two springs, and in theory it damps vibrations from bumps and compressions. They've showed a previous version before, but this one is a larger, more refined unit. They've logged hundreds of timed A/B test runs to validate the system, and testing is showing near universal speed improvements with the damper. But the Rimpact folks are wary of being labeled snake-oil, so they're waiting to release until they can provide what they feel is unassailable data. Me personally? It wouldn't surprise me if there's a real benefit for DH racers. Heck, if mass dampers are good enough to be banned in F1 racing, it's not implausible that there's a real benefit to us in mountain biking.





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This bike belongs to some guy who's off doing some road race right now idk.

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A closer look at Tom Pidcock's Suntour suspension setup.

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An electric full suspension monster cross gravel bike is a surefire way to upset every cycling subculture.

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Interesting suspension packaging from M1-Sporttechnik





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An alternative to eeWings?

Ora's New Cranks

Taiwanese titanium experts Ora were showing a new titanium crankset that looks quite promising.

It weighs ~400g, using 3al 2.5v titanium tubing, 6/4 titanium spindle and machined interfaces, and stainless crank bolts. Available in 165-175mm in 2.5mm increments. 30mm spindle only. Works with all major BB standards. Available in SRAM 3-bolt and 8-bolt & direct mount chainring interfaces.

It's currently off getting tested, but initial numbers put it at a few grams below eeWings, and with a few other potential improvements. The chainring and pedal interfaces are fully CNCed affairs, welded and then ground flat. They haven't yet decided on how they plan to bring it to market, but I'd love to see more of these Taiwanese factories try their hands at going direct to consumers.

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Any takers?
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You can see where the CNCed pedal interface gets welded to the tubular body.





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Bike industry Where's Waldo: extreme nerd edition. How many high level engineers, tinkerers, framebuilders, and nerds do you recognize?

Bike People

On Friday night I hosted Bike People, a very informal get together with several of the sport's most interesting engineers, manufacturers, framebuilders, tinkerers, and general bike nerds. It was a super inspiring evening, and I loved seeing so many people who had never met before form new connections and share ideas. With any luck we'll see some products from collaborations that began here at Eurobike 2025.

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Petor from Bespoked tells me his hat is "post partyboi pre midlife crisis Gandalf-Mounty-witch," whatever that means.
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Calvin from Genio.

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Cornelius Kapfinger from Intend and Ralf Holleis from Huhn Cycles deep in discussion.

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Artem from Bjorn Cycles
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Gustav Gullholm.

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Basti from Leatt into it with Joey from Ponderosa, an engineering firm/trading agency in Taiwan.
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Roman from QVIST.





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We've covered Zoceli's bikes a bunch last week, but I especially like the way he does his tapered headtubes. Fits the aesthetic, and makes mitring the tubes a lot easier.

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This is the Zoceli slopestyle bike. Cool to see so many different suspension designs coming from a single person, but it also has me wary that they've not iterated enough to get the most out of each single design.

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Slovakia's RGD Bike Components showed off some interesting parts.

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New SWAT compartment unlocked on this prototype gravel stem.

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They do trail stems too.
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Some interesting cutouts.

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Arko Bici had some nice gravel bikes, but I was more interested in their tampers, sorry.
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This vintage Hope titanium hub shell tamper was gorgeous. I'd have bought it if it were 49mm.

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Ralf Holleis is retooling his approach with Huhn Cycles. In the meantime, this bikepacking rig was looking great. The paint-matched bags are a nice touch.





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Abbey Bike Tools showing off a new dimension of chain wear. They say that shifting deteriorates once you hit this level of lateral chain sag.

Abbey Bike Tools' New Chain Checker

Yep, now you have to worry about lateral chain wear too. As 1x drivetrains put more lateral stress on drivetrains Abbey says that shifting performance starts falling off once it gets past their level 6 of sag. They've also added a novel V-shaped notch that allows you to more accurately find the centre of the chain pin when measuring linear chain stretch. They say this is a significant improvement as flat-top chains use slightly larger rollers than other designs, and avoids missing your chain replacement window. Their LL (linear/lateral) chain wear tool is patent pending.

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The v-shaped notch lets you find the centre of each roller more accurately.

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Their prototype spoke keys will get hardened steel inserts before launch.
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These feel great.





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Smaller and smaller motors are coming. This one from Maxon is interesting.

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Maxon tells us that "something that will change the industry is coming next year."

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I always try to sneak an Omnium into my Eurobike stories. I have a MiniMax and they are so damn good. This titanium one is a really clean build.

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Their quick release bracket for cargo racks make storing and transporting your basketpacking bike a lot easier.
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Omnium also has a new, inexpensive urban bike called the Day Ripper that retails from 1,275 Euros.

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The aptly named BIKEeRACK uses a motor to lift your heavy bike into a vertical rack, and now has a Europe-friendly version.

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Beefy aluminum hardware everywhere, but surprisingly not much heavier than similar motorized racks.
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Their new ball mount attachment for European cars that don't have 2" receivers.

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I'm not convinced that this setup is a better approach than a low horizontal rack for heavy e-bikes, but I'm curious to try it out.

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Yes I made one of our staff try this thing. And yes they've spoken to HR about it. There's actually a patent dispute going on, it was honestly a fairly tense situation down in Hall 8 with both parties fairly close to each other. I'll try to pull together a story if I can verify more facts, but it's... probably not worth it.

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The quest for silver droppers might be over!

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They're called "ShutleX" (yes, that spelling). Their post post is available in 105mm–230mm options, 30.9, 31.6, and 34.9mm diameters. The booth was empty so I couldn't get any more info, but a trademark search suggests it's a brand from Taiwan Hanbin Machinery Co.

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Aerozine has a prototype wired dropper with an integrated light that can be wired into your eMTB. Pretty clever, would be nice on a lot of SUV style bikes.

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Clean.
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3D printed prototype, but the mechanism actually worked.

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These bags from 2Rads Bike Bags were fun. Also, the owner's main job is in pigeon welfare.

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The eDirtySixer electric trekking bike has 32" wheels and dual front discs. It's also available with 36" wheels.

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Big stoppers for big people.
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Even bigger pedals. They're currently taking orders on a crowdfunding campaign.

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Our friends at 41 Publishing had a pretty great setup.





Okay that's all from me today. I've still got a 3D printed thing to publish, as well as maybe a "best and worst ideas" piece. Any other requests while we're at it?

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Member since Dec 29, 2010
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164 Comments
  • 163 2
 I've been running a mass dampers for a few years now. She's almost 4 years old, eats a lot of Haribo, complains when I climb too slow, and sits on my Ride Shotgun Pro.
  • 50 0
 Mine is 3,5 years old sits on an Macride and also act as a steering damper. Unfortunately he tries to steer in the opposite direction to me
  • 33 0
 Yeah and when you remove it it feels like you fitted a turbo
  • 49 0
 @michaelheinrich: Ah yes, the KIDS steering system.
  • 11 0
 Don't forget the ghost shifter/brake puller.
Dad, stop dripping on me....
  • 46 0
 Y'all doing it wrong. Mine acts as a mud guard. Don't at me.
  • 3 0
 @iduckett: Komposure Increase Damping System ?
  • 9 0
 Mine headbutts me in the chin when he removes his hands from the bar and sits up.
  • 2 0
 @iduckett: "Ah yes, the KIDS steering system."

A future GOAT?
  • 4 0
 Train heavy, race light!
  • 2 0
 @egb81: 100% yes. I've experienced everything on this list Big Grin . Happy Mac'n and Snack'n!
  • 2 0
 Yes!!! My fork feels soooo smooth with the extra 35lbs up there.
  • 1 0
 @jalopyj:

Love it... was going to take it a step further, with... never mind,... I think you found the line.
  • 1 0
 @jalopyj: mine acts as a Mud guard but half the time the trail/road is dry, yet it’s still muddy
  • 52 1
 all silver all the things! i hope clear anno / polished alu starts trending.
  • 10 0
 silver, polish and chrome is where its at
  • 3 16
flag RadBartTaylor (Jul 9, 2024 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 @howejohn: we talking bikes or what you wear out on a Sat night? Gimme a break...
  • 16 0
 The DT Swiss special edition silver hubsets they were showing off look amazing. I love that they went back and redid the hub profiles to match the original design. www.pinkbike.com/news/eurobike-2024-exciting-products-from-european-manufacturers-part-2.html
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: The original Huegi hubs were all-silver, all of the time. Def. a trip down nostalgia lane...
  • 4 0
 @powturn: i've got one of those OG silver dt/hugi hubs in the parts bin. purchased ~1998 for a 1st gen super-8 build. outlived that, and several other bikes over the next couple decades. solid bit of kit.
  • 4 0
 i want one of these droppers. also, the TI cranks look nice. building an all silver bike has never been so easy and i love it.
  • 11 0
 (Translated English in below)
皆様はじめまして、設計開発者本人です。銀色のドロッパーがこうして支持されることを大変喜ばしく思います。
現段階では、銀色アルマイトの耐摩耗性の信頼度向上の試験中です。
目標の外観は白味がかった上質な銀になります。
確かな品質を確立するために時間を要します、どうかご期待ください。
Hello dude, I'm designer and developer. I'm very happy that the silver dropper has been so well received.
At this stage, I and great supplier are testing to improve the reliability of the wear resistance of the silver anodized aluminum.
The target appearance is a whitish silver. ( reference: WP inverted fork outer tubes and DT Swiss hubs)
It will take time to establish a solid quality, so please look forward to it.

I am MTB and Road cyclist, I know and hope we need unique exterior and good quality parts and having some different with others.
Arigato!!
  • 8 0
 @brianpark: Hi Brian-san,
Nice to meet you, I am designer and developer, I was out to meeting when you visited. I am so sorry we lost to opportunity to meet.
This time is prototyping stage and let you all of visitors to ask the feedback.
Same time continuous improvement at behind
There is no name at the moment. That "Shutle-X"(yes, that spelling) is named and registered by FastAce.
The name will change and register after development completely.
Arigato
  • 1 0
 @powturn: they also came in black,yellow and red
  • 2 0
 @Koyama: Thank you for your reply. I was always a fan of the classy appearance of bikes with silver parts. It was a lot harder to source silver parts when i built my bike in 2020 (see photo albums) and I'd be very happy to get my hands on a 200+mm dropper in all silver. please keep us updated about the process. keep up the good work!
  • 2 0
 @Koyama: thanks for commenting! I'll DM you my email.
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 @nullzwo: Yes, as a riders, we have to have a rights to choose color way for parts.
Yes, I saw your hardtail bike photos.
Indeed, deeper color of frames needs light color of parts to color matching.
I also like silver not only for classy, also different with other riders.

Arigato!
  • 43 0
 read pigeon welfare as pigeon warfare first, disappointed.
  • 9 1
 Me too, I’d love to see a story about pigeon warfare.
  • 6 0
 @sportstuff:
Well, idk about pidgeon warfare, but bat warfare was apparently a real thing.
The US apparently plotted an attack on major japanese cities at the end of WW2 by utilizing fire bombs strapped to bats which would get released over major cities. The bats would then seek shelter under the roofs of houses and the fire bombs would set the easily flammable japanese houses on fire.
They scrapped the plan when the nuke became an option.
  • 5 0
 @Loki87: poor little bats!
  • 2 0
 @Loki87: I was 50/50 if you made that up one the fly (no pun intended), but that was indeed a thing. History never ceases to amaze...
  • 3 0
 @sportstuff: Carrier pigeons have always been widely used in warfare up till WWII, and can't forget Olga of Kiev en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_of_Kiev
  • 4 0
 @hardtailpunter: As part of the war effort in WW2, Canada looked at other countries using animals as stealth warfare and looked to do the same. The depth charges attached to salmon worked initially but then the salmon returned to their spawning grounds inland and many local areas were devastated.

I may have made this up...
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: I thought your comment was off the scale...
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: to be honest it sounds more plausible than Mexican bats wedged into a bomb and dropped over Tokyo.
  • 1 0
 @NWintheUSA: Don't imagine the nukes were particularly bat friendly either...
  • 41 2
 A bike industry photo with only 7 flat brim caps. Got to be Europe. Missing ironic mustaches as well. Must be engineers not the marketing people.
  • 10 0
 Adding to the encouraging statistics: zero ears tucked under hats.
  • 11 0
 I think the kooky American bike industry folk are trying too hard.
  • 4 3
 No tarded clown tats either, haha.
  • 15 0
 'Maxon tells us that "something that will change the industry is coming next year."

! think this is a major issue with eBikes. The technology is moving so fast that the bike you buy now will be obsolete in a couple years. Ebikes are almost like phones in that sense. This is more apparent as analog bikes have matured enough in geo, sizing, and kinematics, that you'll still own/sell a somewhat relevant bike after one model cycle or so.
  • 41 0
 Well 5 years ago Trek told us that something that will change the industry was coming and that it was the biggest release since carbon fiber in bikes and it turned out to be a heavy, expensive, and middle-of-the-pack rated helmet. So you can't always listen to the marketing guys.
  • 23 1
 My phone is 4 years old. My bike, 3. Neither are worse than when I bought them. Things improve. Progress is a thing. Doesn't make what you spent your hard-earned cash on last year shite just becuase.
  • 6 1
 @yonibois: True. But you can still 'upgrade' your phone OS and plug it in and it has functionality that is adequate. With the amount of new manufacturers from automotive etc getting involved, eBikes we seem to be moving into a stage of rapid development meaning that your three year old bike might not enable you to be compatible with your friends on their latest gen bike. Think about range or power levels increasing, overrun, battery weight reduction etc.

I think the depreciation of eBikes due to the above is going to be unsustainable for many.
  • 3 0
 I wouldn´t say it´s about listening to the marketing guys as much as it´s a generally noticeable trend. Things are moving at a rapid pace, as is typical for most young market segments. Manufacturers usually have the next big thing ready to go, they just don´t release it until they feel like they made enough profit from the "old" tech. It´s why i was never interested in buying an ebike until now, because i always knew the light ebike trend was gonna be the next big thing and would fit my riding profile a lot better.
But now i´m in a pickle because i´m almost certain the next gen will either be lighter, feature a lot more power/range or become much more affordable.
That´s also why phones these days are a bad comparison. Ten years ago, smartphones moved at a rapid pace. These days, you can buy a 5 year old phone and not miss anything besides maybe system updates.
Give it another 5 to 10 years and ebikes will be at a similar stage in their development cycle.
Sure, if you need a bike right now, buy whatever fits you best and enjoy it. Nothing wrong with that. It´s just a tad frustrating to know it will rapidly depreciate.
  • 2 2
 @BuntyHoven1: that’s what I think every time I see a rivian or Tesla drive by
  • 1 0
 it would be like that if MTB had cameras and touch screens like cars. But no,most of e-bikes only got a function,assisted pedaling. So I do not think they changed radically from 1 gen to another.
Still many of the ebikes look like "pregnant whales" hehehe.
  • 1 0
 @BuntyHoven1: sounds similar to how my two-year-old bike isn’t compatible with Transmission/UDH….in other words, fast evolving new standards that drive new sales has always been there. But you’re right in that e-bikes only add to that.
  • 3 0
 Obsolete or not I would say nobody should care their bike is considered "obsolete" by industry standards as long as one can source spare batteries forever. But that is the big elephant in the room.

We are creating e-waste at record pace and the whole bike industry should be sued already for not tackling that problem.
  • 1 0
 This is part of the reason I think hub-motor ebikes for city, cargo, trekking, etc still have their place because hub motors have some level of universal fit. Disappointing however is how much proprietary software/code is used in controllers and displays, but there are aftermarket options that simplify some of that. It'll be far better for the consumer and the planet when some of this stuff is standardized.
  • 1 0
 @shortcuttomoncton: But you won't see a change in performance being non UDH compatible. Durability maybe. However, with eBikes you are literally buying fitness and performance increases every model cycle right now.
  • 3 0
 @BuntyHoven1: While I am worried about the lifespan of bikes in general, I can't figure out what you mean by "your three year old bike might not enable you to be compatible with your friends on their latest gen bike".

How does that even work? If your friends' bikes are "faster" than yours (huuuge eyeroll from me), they're not really your friends/riding buddies if they don't slow down for you.

Think back to the days of real bikes, you know, what lots of folks are still living in. There's always the fastest person in the group who can drop everyone and do more laps. One the climbs, they either slow down and climb with folks or find intermediate points to stop and wait for others. Even though they're capable of doing more laps than everyone else, in the spirit of friendship they head back to the trail head with their buds and enjoy the cold drinks and food in the cooler.

Why would faster/slower ebikes change this dynamic at all? Are the people around you so selfish that they'd stop riding with their friends over interbike "compatibility"? Surely not.
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: I think the difference is that your equal fitness buddy could buy a new bike and be faster or ride further than you. That’s very different from varying fitness levels. It’s basically a technological arms race.
  • 1 0
 @BuntyHoven1: I don't know what to tell you, man. Being able to go faster -- by whatever means -- doesn't mean you stop riding with your buddies.
  • 2 0
 Haha so much BS. 4 yo ebike are still wonderfull fun. I have a moterra neo carbon with bosch perf cx and it still rip,still is tons of fun. Weirdly new full power ebike are heavier and light ebike are , well, less motored. Still posting fastest time where I ride up and down. The guy with most kom has an entry level bergamont emtb. Always fun to see the latest ohlins levo passing by. I also have a 10yo city bike bosch classic. I just changed the battery for a generic one, Nice bike.
  • 16 1
 On the subject of Tuned Mass Dampers, people talk about DH, but I'd love to try one on a rigid bike. It would be really interesting to see how one affects the high frequency trail chatter that makes your hands go numb eventually. It's what they're used for in motorsport after all.
  • 5 0
 The idea is quite interesting. If it can slightly remove the peaks from HF chatter, I'd honestly try it. The souther UT chunk can get debilitating at times.
  • 8 1
 Mounting a saddle on a seatpost is basically the thing I hate to do the most, especially the type with 2 bolts like OneUp uses. The method used by that Aerozine dropper looks way better. Why isn't that more common?
  • 6 0
 I had a specialized post about 10 years ago with a similar design. It was definitely easier to mount a saddle* but it was really hard to get tight enough to not slip. *My least favorite thing to do is mount inserts. Or maybe chasing creaks. Or getting my brakes not to rub. . .I love to hate working on my bike.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, I-beam saddles were a thing, and yet twin rail is what the industry gravitated to. Almost every time I have to remove my saddle from my posts, I feel like someone is punking me to watch me get frustrated. And Im quite experienced at bike wrenching.
  • 4 0
 There's been a BUNCH of different methods for seatposts to attach to the saddle, but it's a deceptively complex mechanical problem to solve, especially given the forces involved with a person sitting on the thing.

most of them died out in the late 90s/early 00s because they couldn't fulfill one of the core requirements of a seatpost, and the most of the time, the problem they couldn't solve was "keeping the seat from moving."

Part of the popularity of the two bolt design is that it doesn't have this problem, but a lot of companies ended up emulating Thompson, because that was the post most riders considered to be best on the market, and there were so many bad designs, that there was a real perception that "the only post where your saddle won't slip is a thompson."
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 @groghunter: I would love to have a post where your saddle won’t slip. Basically a ride and a half for me. I now generally just leave it slid to the rear these days.
  • 2 0
 @intensemack10: I beam saddles were great in theory, but the real world they were significantly less comfortable than their railed equivalent (almost zero flex Vs plenty of flex) and they were tall. Definitely would not try one again.
  • 1 0
 @tiffe: well the way a lot of the old designs slipped was the tilt, not the clamp location on the rails, unless they were one of those fun designs that just slipped in every way.

I know this doesn't solve your issue, but tbh, having ridden posts that slipped in multiple ways, i'd take a post that only slipped fore/aft over one that slipped in tilt any day of the week.
  • 1 0
 There is a lot of compliance in the two rail design. If you try direct shell mounted system you will be surprised how bad they are for comfort.
  • 5 0
 Let's see the resonance plot for that mass damper.

"Bike industry Where's Waldo: extreme nerd edition. How many high level engineers, tinkerers, framebuilders, and nerds do you recognize?"

None but it does look a lot like a craft brewing convention.
  • 22 18
 One can laugh about it: "electric full suspension monster cross gravel bike is a surefire way to upset every cycling subculture", but what is happening to the bicycle industry is rather sad. What used to be by far the least polluting mean of transportation on the planet, has been converted into a dirty motored-vehicle. Somehow the industry is converting to sell motored-bicycles instead of bicycles. What a shame.
  • 30 3
 At the risk of derailing the discussion, my electric Omnium MiniMax cargo bike has prevented us needing a second vehicle. Yes there's lots of greenwashing, but there's also a lot of benefit as the industry looks more to e-mobility.
  • 8 0
 @brianpark: I think that does count as derailing the discussion, lol. But I'd agree that the "bicycle industry" does seem intent on adding motors, batteries and servos to every aspect of the bicycle. I see this as more an issue from a recreation perspective though since I've seen way more people use alternate forms of transportation that are e-bikes, e-scooters, or e-whatevers than I ever see using those same vehicles without a motor. So I guess it is better, but I do wonder at what cost?
  • 6 0
 I think the bike industry should invest more time money and energy into growing the roots of cycling instead of constantly trying to convince all the current enthusiasts that they have released something new that they NEED to buy which will improve their current cycling experience. There are plenty of people on the planet that could buy regular low end bikes and have a blast without a wireless dropper post and carbon fiber rims.
  • 9 0
 @brianpark: the number of motors that need replacement as soon as they get water ingress is an industry scandal that has made international news, it would be good to see pinkbike shine a light on that and push for improved standards... My buddy went through 7 motors in two years, it's nuts
  • 15 0
 I think people missed the point that you were talking about a gravel bike, i.e. off-road. Commuters replacing their car with an e-bike is rad and environmentally beneficial, replacing your mountain bike with a motorized mountain bike not so much.
  • 5 4
 @50percentsure: unless you also run errands on it, and/or ride to the trails now.
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 @brianpark: Agree. Errands makes sense.

A long commute worthy of an e-mtb to the trailhead...seems like it might drain the battery you wanted to use for mountain biking.


A short commute to the trailhead could work...but also would probably work without a battery and motor.

A proper cargo e-bike for errands instead of a car seems like a perfect solution though. Plus they look rad.
  • 9 0
 They could have insulted more people if there was headset cable routing...huge miss.
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 @HuckminsterfullerAF: It does have it, so good for you I guess?
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 @gtill9000: I guess my zooming in skills are mediocre at best... consider me extra insulted and good catch!
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 I can totally see a mass damper be a really useful thing for downhill racing.
Does anyone know if there´s a similar thing available in motocross or was it tested at any point in time?
Regardless, with the light weight of modern dh bikes and an increasing number of racers strapping additional weights to their bikes, this seems like an absolute nobrainer to go for. Especially if they design another option to go into the seattube, which would essentially replace the external weights.Maybe manufacturers could even add a mass damper compartment in future designs?
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 It hasn't been used in motocross as far as I know. Although Honda might have tried it in the 80's along with a bunch of other crazy stuff that never went into production.

Ducati has used it, and still uses it in MotoGP though.
www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/ycxr8l/the_ducati_mass_damper
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 @Glory831Guy:
Interesting. So it was at least a consideration at some point.
Then again, the ride dynamics between MX, street racing and downhill are still vastly different, so i guess there´s not too much value in prior research from those areas.
hopefully those guys keep it going and we see a market ready solution soon.
  • 1 0
 @Loki87: AFAIK, they basically work at one frequency, hence „tuned mass damper“. That can work on a paved racetrack, but there are too many frequencies in mtb. At one frequency it’s probably awesome. At others it will resonate and make it worse.
  • 7 0
 Maximum credit to Rimpact for wanting to produce convincing data. I'm sick of claims of x% stiffer without any real data to back it up.
I would love to see a frequency spectrum with and without for a range of ride mass, fork pressures and tracks.
  • 4 0
 @rojo-1: hold my beer.
  • 2 0
 @FatSanch: Tuned mass dampers are typically adjusted to be near the resonant frequency of the structure they are attached to, not necessarily the excitation frequencies
  • 1 0
 @rimpactmtb: Sure. Sounds like the multi-tool is going to need a new home. Excited
  • 5 0
 I'm nowhere wealthy enough to worry about another dimension of chain stretch. Just roller-to-roller traditional chain stretch for this pleb.
  • 3 1
 Really? Abbey wants us to take the chain off the biket to check the lateral wear, just to put it on again if still ok?
I'm also out.
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 @squarewheel: I take it off for waxing every time anyway.
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 Doesn't cause premature cassette wear so I think I'll still only worry about roller to roller wear
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 @lightone: What do you need your chain for when you wax? Smile
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 That abbey bike tools jig gotta be the one of the errr... Look just because a product can be CNC milled doesn't mean it's inherently going to be a superior product, and it's a feedback loop of stupidity when the only people who can buy a thing are loaded, so the market size is assumed to be tiny, so the *higher* research and development costs in making a product suitable for mass production are never spent, and a couple of mill fetishists get to live their dreams producing small batches of nonsense for wealthy people, watching people lap this stuff up brings me physical pain. If you don't believe me, talk to any half decent mechanic and see how many Pedros tools they are rocking, that stuff isn't expensive, simply good product.
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 EDIT: nevermind
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 Yeah, even living in the same state as Abbey, *and* being a professional tool snob, I think their best customers may be described as cult members.
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 I mean a lot of their stuff is absolutely overkill, but I feel like chain stretch is a precise enough measurement that CNC probably makes sense over laser cutting.
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 @barp: didn't you mean dentists?
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 I really really want an Omnium... Like really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really want
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 Cargo bikes for actual cyclists is a niche, but it's so good.
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 @brianpark: Tell us more, please. Or, show us more, in article form.
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 @LeDuke: yes please! Cargo bike news and reviews.
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 @brianpark: More cargo content! We even had a cargo bike race on the Sunday at the show. 4 riders at once doing 4 laps of a short course so spectators can see the whole course and all the action, loading and unloading during every race with all different kinds of cargo bikes racing. It's like 4X for cargo bikes with added compulsory pit stops!
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 @littleskull99: Cargo bike huck to flat?
  • 4 0
 In other news, Flavio Briatore was seen trackside at Les Gets after rumors he has been banned from World Cup events.
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 "An electric full suspension monster cross gravel bike is a surefire way to upset every cycling subculture." .. LOL!!!
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 :pray: the www.ataraxybsc.com saddle is as awesome as it looks.
hopefully those in the patent dispute can agree and take all our money ass soon ass possible.

www.tiktok.com/@techmoments_/video/7379987521976929568
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 Everything about it is ass.
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 That thing is the perfect platform for the AssPounder 4000DP. And don't try to pretend you don't know what the 'DP' is for.
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 Love that seatpost. Really hoping the polished/ chrome trend continues. Those new dt hubs, title's chrome bars, trickstuff/lewis bright and shiny brakes all look soo good on a bike. If I had 40 extra hours laying around I'd polish up a fork like @dangerholm
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 Weird that the factory that makes eeWings is making their own version. Cane Creek must be bummed. That's pretty lame.
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flag tyracing38 (Jul 10, 2024 at 7:19) (Below Threshold)
 Yes, it is lame. But it is also not cool for Brian to promote ripping off designs that were conceived, developed, and tested by a small employee-owned company like Cane Creek.
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 @tyracing38: Craig Edwards developed the original and the modern version. He worked with Cane Creek. He no longer works with Cane Creek.

www.fairwheelbikes.com/blogs/posts/craig-edwards-interview
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 Dont want overseas outsourced manufacturing partners selling your designs? Don't use overseas manufacturing partners.

Frankly, copying and/or improving on existing designs is not a question of if but when. You gotta enter the market strong and make your buck before anyone can copy you, and then you've gotta have some improvements lined up to keep products fresh. Often times those improvements are in the minds of designers and engineers who may or may not share them with their employers as a function of job security.

Or you just attempt to patent the wheel and anything resembling a wheel and slow down the competitive process of progress.
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 @tyracing38: First of all, you appear to be a leader at Cane Creek, which I think you should disclose in your comments.

Second, I love eeWings and own a set. I like what you folks are doing, and am generally impressed with most of your products. I've also been impressed with Ora and I'm disappointed to see all this because it seems like you and Ora have had a really great partnership over the years.

And finally, it's our job to share new stuff from trade shows, but I wouldn't have included them if they weren't novel. In my opinion the cranks I covered are fairly different from current eeWings. Other than being tubular titanium, which is hardly unique, they have a bunch of significant differences in construction.

I'll DM you my number, happy to chat offline.
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 The wired dropper looks really interesting but I doubt it will be profitable. A wired dropper would be nice for people with arthritic hands and a lower budget than the current wireless options and bikes that are not drilled for droppers. Unfortunately those markets are pretty small.
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 Thought that spoke key was a CNC saddle
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 Still probably more comfortable than the Violator5000 above.
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 @brianpark: Perfect for the post kids snip snip
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 The ergonomics of actually pressing down on those tampers looks uncomfortable. And I wouldn't look forward to having to clean grounds out of spoke holes, either. I'll stick with my non-gimmicky tamper.
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 a Gravel EBike or Road EBike.. this is where i draw that line.. that makes ZERO sense....????
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 I’m not sure who wants a chain checker that only works if you take the chain off the bike.
  • 4 1
 that Maxon motor is insane. E bikes are gonna start getting really sneaky
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 Ti Cranks or Tai cranks? Either way they look badass.
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 I'm all for competition and some cheaper titanium cranks on the market.
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 Thai cranks?
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 A nod to a classic metallica t-shirt in that metal up ward dropper post branding? Smile
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 Good alternative to eewings already exists! BooneTi! booneti.com/collections/cranks
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 I lust for those Abbey spoke wrenches.
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 Smaller and smaller motors, huh? Just like the ones they use in road bicycle racing.
  • 2 0
 Air cooled Porsches and roof racks don’t do well together but maybe this one has high enough towers to not block airflow?
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 I was more curious about the clamp on rails and a couple of people in the tent!
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 Any other tall guys notice the dirty sixer pedals had a basketball pattern on them?
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 He knows his target demographic.
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 Cant wait to case a jump and get my balls caught between the innovative split seat design of my vabsRiderTM saddle 3
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 @brianpark can you please make it so I don’t have to manually request the mobile version of the site anytime I visit pinkbike from my phone :^)
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 We are trying to consolidate the site to a single version. What would you like the responsive (desktop) version to do that it currently doesn't do?
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 @brianpark: the desktop version is very inefficient with on screen space usage on phones, bigger text, bigger white bars on the sides, comment dates being below the username instead of next to it, less words per line so it takes more scrolling (the reviewer quotes sometimes only have one or two words per line). Some smaller things as well, like the word dashboard being cut off in the headline and barely readable when I have a notification.
The previous mobile version was pretty much perfect, lots of information on screen but still easily readable.

Seems a bit like don’t fix it if it’s not broken, and I don’t think I’m the only one, there’s been a few other comments as well. Or are there any advantages to only having one for both desktop and mobile?
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 Porsche 911. What a great way to display your product, in the most beautiful car of all times!
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 I've been running a mass dampers for a few years now. She's almost 4 years old, eats a lot of Haribo, complains when I climb too slow, and sits on my Ride Shotgun Pro
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 The idea is quite interesting. If it can slightly remove the peaks from HF chatter, I'd honestly try it. The souther UT chunk can get debilitating at times.
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 That silver dropper is sleek as hell
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 Came for the bike stuff but would happily leave with just the car.
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 Seems like I'm not the only one who brings his stuffed animal on every sleep-over. That said, I've never let him drive. Seems like a very Tesla-thing to do but apparently it also works great in a Porsche too.
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 Would that mass damper feel even worse when pulling up on the front wheel than if you just added 500g to your steerer tube?
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 It depends on the frequency it's tuned for but probably not because that's a very low frequency movement
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 I want those cranks
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 Love my Ee wings. As much time as we spend pedaling bikes. I'm surprised how few people choose to try out really nice crank sets.
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 @Chonky13: probably because most people would have to sell an organ to afford one.
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 @opignonlibre: Apart from the feeling the heft of different cranks before I install them, once they're on the bike, I never think about them again or notice any difference between e.g. Deore vs XT vs SRAM anything. vs RaceFace anything. As long as the length is correct and they're not boat anchors, hard for me to care about much about them.
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 @pmhobson: Same here. Once you are one the bike as long as they don't snap they are all pretty much the same.
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 That 911 was a beaut
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 Porsche 911. What a great way to display your product, in the most beautiful car of all times!
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 why not have a wireless dropper that is powered by the ebike battery. could also work on analog bike with pinion smartshift.
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 Anyone know where the ACTUAL Cane Creek Eewings are manufactured?
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 Ora, Pinkbike went there this year and showed the cranks in production.
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flag needmoregears (Jul 9, 2024 at 13:50) (Below Threshold)
 Outside Asheville, NC
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 I'll take a Silver dropper in 30.9 with external routing thanks!!
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 PNW components is doing some silver mining in the dropper post world. Great company, products, people and support.
  • 1 0
 Mass damping....evolves into seemly inertia less, would be awesome.
  • 1 1
 "electric full suspension monster cross gravel bike" That's a lot of words to say "mountain bike with drop bars"
  • 1 0
 Schwinn stingray or scrambler candy apple red, anyone with me?
  • 1 0
 ShutleX (yes that spelling). You can go (sic).
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 Radavist wants their content back







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