Three and a half years after the final ballot was cast, the UK officially leaves the EU at 11pm tonight. While we previously heard horror stories of bike shortages, price rises and huge profit hits for bike brands, it seems like nothing is going to change... for now at least.
Most of these gloomy predictions came as the UK was staring down the barrel of a no-deal Brexit. At that time, the government was unable to come to an agreement on a deal, Boris Johnson was saying he would rather be "dead in a ditch" than agree to a Brexit extension and the deadline was looming. Eventually though, an extension was passed, a deal agreed and Boris Johnson granted a mandate by the British public in a general election in December, allowing him to pass his Brexit deal and begin Britain's withdrawal from the EU.
Tonight the UK enters a transition period where it will be separate from the EU’s political and legal process but is still subject to most EU rules. What this basically boils down to is the UK's Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) leave their seats, but negotiations will continue to determine the future relationship between the EU and the UK. This transition period is currently penciled in to finish on December 31, 2020.
What happens during this period?The key thing to note is that the UK remains part of the single market and customs union that the EU offers. This is a frictionless trade agreement that allows goods and people to pass freely between nations in the EU. The UK will also continue to trade with countries outside the EU under EU terms while the transition period is ongoing. This basically means the bike industry will continue as normal for the time being.
Dominic Langan, the CEO of Madison, the UK's biggest distributor, told us, "Until we know the terms of any deal it is hard to know how to fully prepare." Although he did say that they were working towards creating a distribution center in Ireland for shipping parts and accessories. He said: "We are seeing really positive growth in Ireland over the last couple of years and this is something we would probably do anyway. Brexit is making the decision easier for us to make, but it has forced the timing."
Alan Weatherill, Sales and Marketing Manager at Hope, said, "There is no understanding at all as to what's happening after Brexit. Whatever the government says about how we will treat imports, that doesn't mean that anything we export to the continent will be treated in the same way... We'll be carrying on as normal until the end of the year now."
How has Brexit affected the British bike industry so far?Currency fluctuations have been the biggest impact so far, with the pound still around 15 cents lower against the dollar since the day of the Brexit referendum. This is simply too much for brands to swallow so prices have altered accordingly. For bands that import, this will likely have meant increased prices, however, brands that manufacture in the UK have been able to offer cheaper products to EU customers as a result. Jay Tolan, General Manager at Orange, said, "As the pound weakened off a bit, the pricing for Europe got a lot better. The bikes were cheaper than they had been previously so there had been a bit of influx." The pound is likely to continue to be volatile for the foreseeable future so expect prices on bike products to continue to mirror this.
With fears stoked about goods entering the country, we also asked about stockpiling and found that most brands hadn't considered it. 661 told us that they only import product four times a year and, as their product is non-perishable, they didn't believe a delay at customs would significantly affect their business. At Madison, Langan said they had, "good levels of stock and very sophisticated planning algorithms in place," and that they were, "suitably stocked to cope with any transitional disruption to the supply chain."
The only brand we spoke to that had stockpiled was Hope. They increased their stock levels of raw materials when Brexit fears first surfaced and have maintained that high level of stock until now. They believe they have a "few months" of materials should any disruption happen at the borders post-Brexit.
The future relationship with the EUTop of the to-do list for the UK government will be to arrange a new trading agreement with the EU. The 11-month time period is shorter than any other previous EU trade deal, which has led to the Institute for Government, an independent think tank, claiming that both sides may end up “prioritising a largely goods-only free trade agreement” with negotiations on services, "likely to be postponed until after December 2020". The exact terms are still up in the air but with proposed options ranging from "Bespoke Norway", to "Reverse Ukraine" or "Canada Plus", there are plenty of ways it could go. The British bike industry will be holding its breath and hoping for favorable terms that don't cause too much disruption.
There is one catch here, these negotiations need to happen quickly. If a trade deal is not negotiated by December, then the UK (apart from Northern Ireland) could revert to trading on WTO terms, which many commentators have compared to being as harmful as a No Deal Brexit in the first place. The final scenario is a possible extension by two years to December 2022, as long as this is agreed by both parties by July this year.
The rest of the worldAs the UK has been trading under EU rules with the rest of the world for the past few decades and it will continue to do so until December in the transition period. However, it will have to renegotiate trade deals with the rest of the world as it leaves the EU. It has already agreed to continue trading under EU rules with 20 existing blocs that includes 50 countries including Switzerland, Norway and most of Central America (a full list can be found
here). However, this means re-negotiating its terms with countries such as Canada, the USA, Taiwan and China.
It can officially begin these trade negotiations tomorrow, however they cannot be implemented until the end of the transition period. The result of these negotiations could have serious consequences for both manufacturers in the UK and customers of UK brands around the world but it's too early to say what this will look like at the moment.
So, this time next year, things could look very different for the British bike industry, but for now it's business as usual as the limbo continues. We'll update you on any significant updates as the negotiations continue.
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I’m guessing it snapped very quickly so there’s another frame on its way in a box. Let’s hope none sneezed on it!
I just turn all politics off now , no point being angry at it all
As always, the EU isn’t perfect but a strong block against the other powerhouses in the world and it would have been nice if the UK would have appreciated its place in this union a bit more. But suspicion and distrust, together with a superiority complex, led us to this point.
Now, where I am most of us carry weapons day to day. The taxes are lower, the wages are higher and we do not worry so much about being a victim. Chicago is a mirror of most other large Dem run cities. Effectively, third world crap holes.
(Sigh)
You missed the point and are off topic. But you did do an outstanding job of reenforcing world stereotypes of US citizens. Much appreciation xoxo
(Hand shake) and I agree with you there. Both countries have bad reps, and our respective current administrations aren’t helping sue to their approaches (political philosophies aside). I sincerely hope the exit from the EU does not have a material negative economic impact. All the best.
As for the rest of the world. Well, just as my life is not a problem for those in Europe, theirs is not a problem for mine in the United States (the name of our nation, not the continent).
And a European military, which doesn’t exists at the moment, would not be run by the Germans. It would’ve been run by the Brits and french. The German army is a joke and you know it. They can’t even run a school sailboat, let a lone a warship and their helicopters were all stranded accept one.
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@mitochris: really I can vote out my MP if I feel its warranted. I couldn't even tell you how the EU get in or how they are dismissed.
Sorry mate not an excuse, it’s your responsibility to educate yourself before voting and if you didn’t know enough to make an informed decision maybe you should have stayed at home and maybe we wouldn’t be in such a mess right now.
We don't leave tonight, we start the withdrawal process. Our official leaving date is currently December 31st. All we have done so far is negotiate the rules under which the withdrawal process will operate under.
No Deal is not off the table. If no deal is agreed by December 31st then we leave with No Deal and revert to WTO rules.
We will still pay in for the rest of the yer but have no say over anything and get nothing in return.
We are screwing ourselves over and strangely people are happy to celebrate this fact.
Think of it this way:
The vote was us deciding which bike park to ride at.
Ever since then we have been arguing/negotiating which trail we would take to the bottom.
That has now been decided and we start our descent tomorrow.
While we are on that descent we are negotiating what we will find at the bottom.
If we get a good deal it will be a safe run-out next to the cafe.
If we get a bad deal it will be into a prickly bush and a hike back up to civilisation.
If we don't agree a deal it will be a small jump off a very tall cliff.
Hands up who wants to stay in the bar at the top instead?
ii) Yup
iii) Not quite true, all EU funding will continue until the end of the transition period. We keep getting what we were getting until then, but have no representation to change it or renew any funding that expires in that time.
iv) Nobody looks very happy to me. Even Nigel King of the Gammons himself blurted out that a second referrendum wouldn't be a bad thing yesterday. Never thought I'd hear that.
Go back to the echo chamber from whence you came.
Your always writing bollocks on here and spouting your political vitriol ,its f*cking boring.
The whole thing is on the Gov website, the Wikipedia page has a decent summary if you don't want to read a 500 page legal document (and I wouldn't blame you). www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-withdrawal-agreement-and-political-declaration
Long live World King Boris!!
salamalikum gammonistas de la libertad!!!
No they also want our cooperation with medicine, finance, science, fight against large multinationals, security, help with the world’s problems, bank regulation, space exploration etc
A lot of which the uk isn’t big enough to do on its own at the same rate of progress as working together as a team with larger resources.
the uk’s net contribution of 8 billion isn’t all that much in the grand scheme of things.
Like you give a shit about accounting. Check out who funds the tories and come back to me about who's interests this farce is in.
As for funding continuing? Nope. I have friends who are directly in charge of receiving those funds for a few projects, The money has most definitely been cut off. That .gov link you've used has already been proven to be a bit economical with the truth, just read the recent news and you'll see that Boris and Co are already ripping it apart (declaring they will not align with the EU to help trade is one...). I'm fed up of talking about all this now as people are only believing what they want to believe, not looking at the facts. Back to reading about bike bling and planning future trips away with my bikes for me now.
@CrispyNuggs just because school and your parents didn't equip you with critical thinking, doesn't mean you can't keep reading and learning. You can do better than just being a Brexit soundbite bingo machine. You've had years to properly look into all of this and develop a nuanced view. Just because it's too late now, doesn't mean you will benefit personally from cheering on the kleptocrats. They used you, and now they don't need you anymore you can kiss goodbye to everything they promised you.
I fear you are getting the wrong end of the stick. My opinion isn't immune to doubt and when someone tells me something I check that they haven't just made it up. The stuff you are regurgitating shows that you do not. Humility is crucial. We can all be wrong, but there are tools you can use to avoid the most basic misconceptions. Just because the EU isn't perfect, doesn't mean you can call it the 4th Reich of the EUSSR. You just have to look at the farewells of the Brexit party compared with those of the "enemies" in Brussels. All of this is staring you right in the face.
Oh and :
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
Isaac Asimov
If there are plenty of good reasons to leave, why are all the ones I've heard rooted in mis- and disinformation?
You might be bored of this, but democracy and thinking didn't stop on 31/7, much to the chagrin of the Dom and Boris party.
When someone has had 4 years to just scratch the surface a little bit and see what lies behind the soundbites they are parroting, you have to start asking whether they are worthy of respect.
I hope you parted as friends and that she's now touring the country informing other lost souls in similar ways.
People are ignoring Occam's razor like there's no tomorrow. The Dreamworld they've created... England (not Britain) needs an exorcist and full-scale psychoanalysis.
But I can see where you're coming from. However, your research would only carry weight if the UK had not already been in the EU for decades and grown symbiotically with the block as one of its main driving forces. It played a major role in shaping its laws and agreements, benefits from the presence of the millions of EU nationals residing in the country and sells half of its exports to EU countries. This is not the UK deciding whether to join EFTA/EEA as it tries to build a relationship from scratch, this is an exercise in pure destruction of an infinite number of mechanisms and intricacies that keep it on an even keel. It also threatens the union of the kingdom. Northern Ireland is basically gone, who'll be next? Even Rees Mogg said it would take 50 years for the benefits to be felt and he's a massive brextremist charlatan.
Last thing: you would probably argue for a Norway option, but that idea was binned long ago in favour of a reckless version of brexit. It is at that point that you should have started thinking about what is really going on here. And the current route being embarked upon is likely to end in a pretty sparse trade arrangement that will leave the country isolated and utterly vulnerable to major powers whose negotiating strategy will pay zero regard for Britain's self-perceived exceptionalism. There is no scenario in which the current approach to Brexit ends well for anyone but foreign exporters of substandard produce, big pharma in the US and hostile foreign nations who stand to benefit from a weaker west.
Capice?
Fifty years is FAR too long a time to wait for a theory (that does not affect me as most of the decision-makers have zero chance of being vertical in fifty years).
There I just literally explained it for you in one sentence.
and, @WAKIdesigns where the f*ck did that just come from, assuming you replied to the wrong thread on accident?
"Many factors affect the value of a currency. For example, if the UK had a large current account deficit, then we might expect this trade deficit to put downward pressure on the currency. The fall in the value of Sterling in 2008 was partly related to the UK’s trade deficit and lack of competitiveness."
www.economicshelp.org/blog/9746/currency/happens-value-currency-recession
Remind yourself how much flak China gets for manipulating its currency. Germany can operate on artificially weak currency, because it is shared with less developed economies. It is the reason you have affordable brands like Canyon, YT, and Rose originating in Germany, not in UK.
Maybe control future's solar power production? Greece has hours of sun, lots of it. Who knows.
Trade deficit what?? Germany has a surplus..
Ousourced deflation to maintain competitive currency?? Currency is pushed down due to inflation, not deflation..
I guess you were just trolling, and you got me, pretending not to know economics 101
Please don't forget 48.1% of us wanted to remain and were happy being part of the big European family.
Sad day...
Good value for money right enough.
(Based on us going from top to bottom of the G7 for growth)
That's more than we contributed for the last 45 years of membership
We've had to hire 20,000 civil servants since the vote (biggest increase since the war)
We've wasted £billions so far, when there are real issues the country should've been dealing with
It's an embarassment
The problem with that statistic is that it only counts direct contributions to the UK public sector, it doesn't count private sector contributions nor does it count other EU wide positives.
My point is that simply looking at as money directly in and out of the government isn't the whole picture and it is far more complicated than any sounds bite or simple statistic can spell out.
Add onto that that we don't really know what Brexit is going to be yet, so it's almost impossible to make any fair comparison.
“With the 0.3pc expansion reported on Monday, Britain has now had 13 quarters of economic growth since the Brexit referendum. The evidence is irrefutable: the UK economy has grown faster than Germany, France and the eurozone as a whole for most of the last two years. It is has outgrown several west European states even since the vote.
Totting up the exact numbers, it is no longer excusable for the Remainer establishment, the Liberal Democrats, and allied think tanks, to keep claiming that the UK economy is 3pc smaller than it would have been without Brexit, or that we are “3pc poorer” in Westminster parlance.”
Yeh you should read the Sun or watch fox news instead and get the "real facts"
Economics is kind of annoying to debate though. As they say you can prove anything with statistics, and economists usually do.
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Bike Park Wales.
Coed Y Brenin.
Antur Stiniog.
The rest may have had direct funding but I don't know but they will have definitely benefited from the other schemes the EU paid for. If you travel to BPW you are guaranteed to drive on one of the roads that the EU helped fund, the current Heads Of The Valley rebuild was EU funded but will no longer be, god knows if it will be completed in full let alone the current section! If you look down on Merthyr from BPW's cafe outdoor seating over half of what you see (retail parks, industrial units, the town centre rebuild) was funded by the EU.
But all of this was dismissed as the EU paying in a tenner, putting up a sign and claiming it as theirs when the reality is that the vast majority of it wouldn't have happened without the European Regional Development Fund. Even their offices were in Merthyr but tht has now closed costing ~200 jobs.
What the future holds for the bike parks and trail centres is anyone's guess, that includes all the businesses that cater for them too. Hotels, campsites, cafes, bike shops etc. This is just the Welsh ones too, the English and Scottish ones had similar help.
@jamessmurthwaite a follow-up article would be great!
We've just decided to throw up barriers to half of our foreign trade
We've removed freedoms & rights from our own passports that they previously held
We've removed our voice from one of the world's biggest democratic institutions
We've increased the price of everything we buy, fall in £ has made everything more expensive & cost average family >£2000
The worst thing is that half the country voted to do this against half the country that never wanted it.
That's way the country has been poisoned & divided for a generation.
Of course it's an embarrassment
Over the 3.5years since the vote UK has grown slower than eurozone, including France & Germamy.
Before that Britain has almost always grown faster than eurozone .
The point is that since the ref we have gone from top to bottom of G7 & stayed there persistently, which is where the damage is being done as growth usually comes & goes in cycles of fast/slow growth, we are stuck in the slow lane in the part of the cycle we would normally have grown fast in.
That's why it's entirely credible to say that we've lost 3% of growth since the ref.
Even the government's own estimates say we won't be back to 'normal' pace until 2025
Also looking at net contributions only is rather short sighted you also need to take into account all the additional income that came from the single market. Not to mention all the savings of havIng joint administrations etc.
The country will be worse off financially than we were before.
But my main worry now is employment rights. I feel without the EU to help protect workers and a strong Tory government Employment rights are going to take a beating.
Well that explains your understanding of the EU
"We've just decided to throw up barriers to half of our foreign trade"
It's worse than that. Far worse. Trade tariffs are the "easy" and relatively predictable bit. It's the 100% Non-Trade Barriers (NTB) that are going to do far more damage. These are quite simply barriers to conducting trade that are not resolved with something like paying a tariff or agreeing to a quota (although quotas once exceeded become 100% NTB until the given time period lapses).
Below is only _one_ example of an industry being cut off overnight:
Currently a British legal barrister can present before the European Patent Office for intellectual property submissions. After the transition period that ceases. Period. That means the British legal profession loses all access to the European patent office, both for British and non-British clients. Further, any company wishing to file intellectual property submissions before the European patent office now has to expend double the cost and effort to protect their work; once in the UK, and then they have to seek out EU-based representation.
Whilst a lot of people will snort and deride the example because it's "lawyers, all a bunch of tossers"; it affects companies needing to protect their IP, pushing up costs to do so and making attempts to protect their rights more difficult.
And that's all before we even start talking about the expiration of all existing international trade treaties with more than 65 other countries.
My question is, if the UK gets all these other benefits by being in the EU, don't all the other countries in the EU also get the same benefits? Including the ones that take billions out of the EU?
If everyone gets the same benefits, why are some paying in and some taking out? That doesn't sound fair to me.
Can anyone explain that one? The obvious answer would be to say that the net contributors are paying to improve the quality of life in the other countries. Or is there more to it?
But the £4 billion is acceptable because hey, we got so many other unquantifiable benefits out of it.
Money does not grow on trees! If that money went in, it also went out somewhere. Somewhere was not south Wales!
That's how I look at it on the money front. A strong argument along with the argument of making your own national politicians more accountable rather than blaming the EU for many things as they have done over the years-they have created their own problem here in that sense. And that includes many pro remain politicians.
If you want to know the true figures info is here
www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31
But around 1% of total uk spending is what we used to pay in and not get anything direct back.
£8bn isn’t a lot of money when it comes to government contracts. It’s like 3 weeks of running the nhs or about 2 miles of hs2
I pay taxes in Sweden, so it’s also on me. Considering how many fans of BTR, Stanton, Cotic, Hope and more live in Gothenburg, I doubt anything would mind
Check this out, WAKI:
www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/us/santa-cruz-mushrooms-psychedelics-trnd/index.html
Fine, I wont bleach my ass hole.
The correct term is "politically challenged".
"...............apparently nothing"
Whoever wrote this article has obviously been under a rock for years.
Planes are going to fall out of the sky, schools and hospitals will all close down, and if we're really unlucky the world will explode.
It's happening tonight!
The hospitals!
In 2015, the Conservatives promised 5,000 more GPs by 2020. By 2018, the NHS had 148 fewer doctors than three years earlier, and the pledge was quietly dropped. They promise 50,000 new nurses when the real figure is 25,000 . They promise 20,000 new police but that just covers the 20,000 they got rid of over the last 10 years !
It seems that they just say whatever they like to get votes and it works, a bit like that CLOWN over the pond (who’s trial will not have any witnesses, well done America) !
Belter.
British becoming froggies, if God would have imagined such a thing!!! Pffff....
Just kidding. They are welcome to stay with us... on the ``right side on the Channel``.
Cheers mes amis!
My concern is more about wether there will still be an NHS. A while back, Lockheed Martin tried to buy for want of a better description, a controlling share of the NHS. I remember this because a massive online petition went to the UK Gov & EU monopolies comish to block it...
Leaving the EU has allways been about the sale of the NHS....
Although I agree, the NHS shouldn’t be sold off.
No doubt You would argue they’re all positive values of mass immigration, oh sorry, cultural diversity. I’m sure the victims of the above would appreciate your tolerance.
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/high-immigration-nhs-crisis
Old people, fat people, technology and drugs, combined with lower budgets/lack of investment are whats killing the NHS
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The cons won this election because labour where a mess, they offered no decisive opposition an tried to keep every one happy instead of standing up spin an out right lies.
Also I think the NHS should be means tested like speeding tickets, so people who can afford to pay more for treatment do pay more. They could also use a student laid type system where you get given a bill for treatment which you will never pay if you can’t afford to. Everyone goes on about the NHS being free, but nothing is free. It’s costing me a shit ton of money every month through my taxes. The American system is a joke and we should definitely avoid that system, but I feel that some people here live very unhealthy lives knowing the NHS will be there to fall back on and that their expensive heart surgery will not cost them anything extra.
I bought a newspaper once because my friends overseas didn’t believe there were sheilas showing their boobs on page 3. And now, thanks to someone complaining about it (probably a woman) there are no more boobs. What a shame someone took it upon themselves to decide how those women were allowed to make a living.
No comment on the page 3 bit
It's not black and white but the current system is far from perfect especially as the birth rate is falling, the population is ageing and getting top heavy, and people are making unhealthy lifestyle choices and getting fat.
I suggest you visit some majority Muslim countries to see how well their societies are flourishing. A realty check might reverse your ideologue view of reality.
@bainbridge: A contributing factor but yes, there’s many aspects. I was just pointing out one that clown world utopia drones wouldn’t have heard about.
Definitely agree regards paying tax and access to the NHS. You support it, you can use it.
In theory it is means tested, the more you earn, the more tax you pay. (Though unfortunately a lot of rich people pay money to avoid the tax they should pay.) If it became fully means tested I think the issue might be that those that had to pay more would remove themselves from the system by going private.
Interesting ethical question re:unhealthy lifestyle and the NHS. I ride bikes and snowboard knowing that they will scrape me up and fix me for free. A bit different from smoking or the like but still a choice.
Happy bikes.
As you say, we choose a high risk lifestyle. That's why I like the student loan idea. They give you the care you need at the point of need. Then they send you a bill. If you can't pay the bill now, you pay it later. They take money off your payslip every month. If you can't afford it, you don't pay it. If you can afford it, you pay it.
Tax avoidance and tax evasion are another thing that needs looking at very carefully.
It is my opinion that there should be some kind of limit on how much of a company's profits can be paid out in dividends. Certainly if a company makes a lot of profit, more of that should be given to the employees who did the work as bonuses. I am strongly opposed to the idea of investors getting rich off the backs of other people's hard work. I know they put the money up, but they did not do the work. It could be 50:50 profit split between shareholders and employees.
What else? Ah yes, the BBC. The BBC can suck a bag of dicks. The TV licence is too expensive, the BBC pays presenters too much and the organisation as a whole has an appalling political slant. It no longer offers factual coverage and as such should not be funded by the taxpayer.
I think the migrant camps in Calais is a clear indicator of where they want to end up. Who can blame them when you have the type of pathetic, gutless, drones like the ones in these comments who would probably celebrate the rape of thousands of young girls by Muslim gangs as just a “cultural differences” rather than saying anything critical for fear of sounding racist.
BBC definitely pays people too much and is getting political.
If we took all the rights and gave them their own country with no military to attack other countries..
You'd eat each other alive in a matter of years.
Always talking about some minority costing you money while you allow big corps and politicians to steal billions.
Only ones to blame are the right wing media the politicians they put in office and themselves.
The big corps get off free and the blame gets put on minority.
Every single time its basic right wing economics.
My analogy is like someone taking a penny from the tray at the store being blamed while dudes take wheelbarrows full of cash out the back door.
Get the f*cking money out of politics and the people will prevail.
Until this is done neither side will be happy.
Once again: people in Europe who are not racist idiots are not affraid about their wives daughters and sisters getting gang banged on the streets now and aren’t scared of that happening in the future. In fact I personally am afraid of skin heads and their dads Promoting this bullshit because I knew some and know how many they are. They are also here in Sweden. Taking all privileges of being openly accepted by a foreign society, yet walking around with T-shirts with Polish flags and patriotic slogans, talking full on racist crap when standing at the buss stop about muslim girls. I actually heard one a*shole say he would f* the Allah out of them, so please check your sources.
And they blindly followed a crazy man.
And used a system of propaganda that lied until the truth was a lie and lies the truth.
The right wing are the enemy of the people.
Along with unregulated big money.
@reverend27: No lies there darling, I can sight numerous studies that prove mass immigration fractures social cohesion and dissolves community sentiment.
I agree with your comments regarding military intervention and especially corporate corruption. Although I’m not sure that would have prevented Sunni and Shia conflicts within the war doctrine that masquerades as a religion but we can hope for the best I guess?
Dont make me even start to point out all the crimes Christian's have perportrate against native societies.
Yes i know the lying shitbags you listen to will always finds reasons and statistics to support their twisted views.
And you will buy it because you are angry inside. Thats why you are hooked.
You've been angry your entire life and right wing politics have given you an avenue to vent.
Now lets talk about ebikes....
People doing shit now should be called out for doing shit now. There should be no “but many years ago someone who lived in the same area of Earth as you live in now did that, so you have no right to comment.”
Some Christians killed some people hundreds of years ago, so don’t go complaining when some Satanists start killing people today.
It’s almost like “You had your turn, now let them have their turn.” With the distinction that I never had my turn. It was someone else who happened to live near where I live now, several generations before I was conceived. (!)
All qualities that make Muslims highly compatible with post enlightenment western democracies. Even if these aren’t acted upon, it’s the word of God and can’t be denied. How do you think that effects their psychology? Add in the mental defects from commonplace first cousin marriages and you have a real cultural asset.
As far as religions go it is one of the better ones. Buddha was not a diety and did not want to be sen as one. The religion does not have a diety. It does not encouage or condone violence. It does not teach that an insult to the Buddha is an insult to the religion or its followers.
That said, I personally don't rate it.
Mind you, I don't think this was a wise decision made by the UK, but your comment just makes no sense. People on both sides of the isle seem to exaggerate both the effects of staying in the EU and leaving it, saying it will cause doom and destruction. Truth is, the EU wasn't all good and wasn't all bad. The UK will lose some benefits, but gain some opportunities.
The UK had what some people would refer to as "the deal of the century", we helped create it, were part of it but among other things had veto rights, hence not joining the euro out converting fully to metric etc. The deal we had was hated by most countries in Europe because of the power it gave us.
Compare that to the trade deals the USA has or is working in and it's significantly different:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free-trade_agreements
(The highlighted map doesn't show as much detail as the European one). The cancellation of TTP shows where America's thought process is currently.
There will be some advantages to splitting up with Europe, the problem is nobody has any idea what they will be out what the chances of the coming of are, or when they'll happen. It's a huge gamble.
The gamble seems to centre around getting a free trade deal with America, with around half the population of the EU. With Trump being the business man he is, he knows how much we need this deal. Will be turn the screws on the UK to get a great deal for America? Why wouldn't he? How can the UK say no? What are the UK government willing to give up? The NHS? Already happening. Food standards? Environmental standards? Education? Incarceration/police?....... The list goes on.
It's a huge gamble by the government and the rich and powerful they are supported by. Voted for by the public without accurate information.
Would you let a randoms of the street with no qualifications or real knowledge vote on how to fix a possible heart condition your child's might have? knowing that the surgery voted for will take place no matter what, even if it's dangerous?
That's Brexit, it might be fine.......
So who fkng knows, the 'experts' certainly don't :'D
yeah it was called chain reaction they did shimano well er cheap
So little idea of what's actually going to happen.
Everyone assumes it's going to be a disaster.
This is what was voted for whether you like it or not.
Personally I’m real excited to see what happens. As someone that comes from a family
that doesn’t rely on the NHS to cover my lifestyle of booze; smoking and drugs I’m content that i’ll be alright Jack
I'm guessing that you are a bike rider given you're on pink bike. While the NHS may not be supporting a vice filled life of drugs and smoking. It is providing free ambulances, A+E care, Emergency trauma surgery, ICU and rehabilitation to mountain bikers that needed it. So it might not have supported you yet but it will if you need it. Also saves you a fair wack if you decide to have a child.
Heres how I see it.....
You didntt like criminals, so you s3nt them to wasteland down under.
Now you dont like yourselves, so you remove yourself from the EU.
Am I missing anything?
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UK will remain in the single market :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P081iUMJfUU
Under no circumstances will the British government adjust that position.
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