BYB Releases Updated & Expanded Suspension Telemetry System
Less than two years ago, BYB Telemetry introduced their telemetry system, which was aimed at making World Cup level tech available to everyone. Now, they've refined that kit and expanded on it, adding additional sensors for braking and wheel speed. There are also updates that make the system easier to use.
There's a new software feature that allows riders to see exactly where they are faster or slower and see how different set-ups impact performance. With the smartphone app and PC software, riders can see new and more intuitive charts that allow them to understand their bike and settings better. The new system is also lighter and more compact. For more details, check out the press release below.
PRESS RELEASE: BYB Telemetry
Brescia, IT – Exactly one year ago, BYB Telemetry delivered the first 50 kits ordered through Kickstarter, the crowdfunding platform that made it possible to produce the first professional telemetry system designed for MTB suspension. The system was born to detect the motion of the suspension and other dynamic parameters of MTB while riding. It allows the biker to base the suspension set-up on objective data, rather than relying on the rider's sensations alone and overcoming the existing limits regarding the communication between riders and suspension technicians.
After over a year of R&D, BYB Telemetry is ready to launch the version 2.0 of its telemetry kit. The new version contains relevant improvement concerning the ease-of-use, the reading and analysis of the obtained charts, also thank to the tutorial videos published on the BYB Telemetry YouTube channel.
In addition to monitoring suspensions, BYB Telemetry v2.0 now allows increasing the system’s potential by introducing two very fast-to-install brakes and wheel speed sensors. The brake sensors are custom made and require only a few minutes of assembly. They allow you to evaluate the balance of the bicycle and the behavior of both suspension during braking, in order to improve the overall set-up.
The wheel speed sensor, compared to the powerful integrated GPS antenna, provides an absolute precision in terms of speed and distance traveled along the trails. This upgrade has enabled to release a new software feature which allows to address also the most demanding riders, managing to identify with extreme precision the points of the track where the rider is slower or faster, highlighting them in green or red. Therefore, both amateurs and riders engaged in any kind of competition will be able to evaluate and compare how different set-ups of their bicycle can influence the chronometric feedback, safety and driving pleasure.
Through the smartphone app (Android and iOS) and the dedicated PC software (Win and Mac), every rider will be able to consult the more intuitive new charts, in order to understand the bike more deeply, as well as the difference among different settings. The automatic-tuning, specifically thought for the rental services offered by bike-shops is totally renewed. One click is enough to receive a direct suggestion on how to set up customer’s bikes. From our tests, only three acquisitions runs are needed (including relative adjustments after each one) to properly set pressures, rebound clicks and compression in order to get a well balanced bike. The overall balance of the bike is investigated also by studying the motion of each wheel by interpolating the characteristic points of the leverage-ratio curve of the bike’s swingarm.
The software and smartphone app are constantly evolving and characterized by periodic updates, new features and a lifetime license without any extra fee.
BYB Telemetry v2.0 is lighter, more compact and even more powerful, despite the increase from 2 to 10 acquisition channels and it's ready for ad-hoc customization. The sampling rate was brought to 1000Hz and the configuration of the parameters of your vehicle was also integrated within each run. This is a practical register that allows you to keep track of a lot of parameters such as every click on the knobs, custom spacers on the stem and the pressure used.
Made of CNC aluminum, the new set of universal mountings improves and simplifies the assembly of the kit on any downhill, enduro, cross-country and e-bike.
BYB Telemetry pursues the goal of making the best-personalized suspension set-up accessible to everyone and for this reason, it has introduced a new bundle, which is suitable for use on both MTB and Motocross. It allows the use of a single acquisition unit and a set of several dedicated sensors. The kits can be preordered at a discounted price with fast delivery time.
To learn more about BYB Telemetry, visit www.bybtelemetry.com.
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1.6k is also pennies in any motorsport
One set of carbon wheels can be had for $1600 and it could be argued the benefits of them aren’t angled toward weekend warriors but there’s more than just racers buying in. Perceived value is dependent on user.
None of these guys are measuring wheel or chassis strain gauge data. Things have definitely trickled down in the last 5-6 years I’d say.
There are no doubt a niche group who will find this tech useful but a 1.6k base product is laughably prohibitive in a sport where a 2-3k bike is considered expensive for the average consumer. Cool tech, but gotta keep things in perspective when we're talking home page PB product articles.
Whats going on in the car world is apropos of nothing in the MTB world. Different industries, different markets, different requirements, different tech. If we have to force some comparison, the car tech you noted is more akin to bike computers than this stuff, but even so a fractional expense next to the M3 its going into than a cycling sensor suite costing only a third of a high end mountain bike. Its awesome tech and amazing that its accessible at all but by no means affordable in the context of mountain biking.
The device isn't displayed on the website, but can be purchased if desired.
Enrico
I think a good setup for the general public would look more at the rider. Data channels logged - wheel Speed, GPS, brake pressure, cadence, gear position, steer angle, and some appropriately placed cameras for body position and movement. And I think it would be very interesting to have load cells in the pedals and grips to see how the rider is applying their mass over the course.
Full disclosure I've looked more than seriously at BYB setups since they dropped knowing it can cover all my bikes and moto, but the price is tough to swallow.
For what its worth this system is cheap compared similar products on the market. But its still too expensive for the average rider. Damper pots are expensive and simply getting rid of them would drop a huge amount out of the price.
A lot can be learnt with nothing more than Speed trace and GPS. Something with a higher resolution than the average garmin type setup would help far more than this.
At the end of the day, the difference between a world cup racer and even a state level racer isn't bike setup. Its rider skill and fitness.
The average cyclist doesn't have any clue about bike fit, suspension, setup, and importantly how this all is working with or more frequently against them. Having had the opportunity as an amateur in other disciplines, being able to quantify and visualize performance is massively beneficial to increasing improvement rate of skill and consistency, especially through dialing equipment and isolating/eliminating latent issues.
Sure, every tool needs a competent operator, that's a given, but BYB seems to have done an admirable job making their tech accessible from a usability angle, just (and I figure we can agree) not a cost one.
I think the only thing we probably disagree on is weather this could help riders visualise whats going on. Or at least that its overkill for that purpose. As I said a high resolution speed trace and gps will tell you an awful lot without getting complicated. And i could be delivered at a reasonable price. Vbox Sport will give you that for around 500usd. and it will plug into your smart phone.
Also, ive been arguing this approach to average riders, not national champions. People who will benefit far more from rider coaching.
Maybe it's better you stay in your cave
I'm not certain what could be learnt from rider force application or if it's been used before elsewhere but I'm sure it could be developed into useful advanced coaching.
Bottom line from my perspective, from years of riding, racing, building, fitting, and tuning custom bikes... skill level is separate from equipment. You need both. No, this kind of tech won't turn a novice into Gwin but the best coaching in the world won't allow someone to overcome all hurdles of bike setup (see @MotionInstruments anecdote above), **especially** when a rider doesn't have the skill backbone to translate what about his/her setup does/not feel right. This is a mechanic's nightmare when a novice or amateur rider can't articulate what feels off--data resolves that.
The only reason I ever posted in this article is because of the cost. Saying there is not benefit on the other hand defies logic.
m.vitalmx.com/features/Factory-Suspension-For-All-Motion-Instruments-Data-Acquisition,7121?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=fb_like
But you can keep patting yourself on the back and making hyperbolic rubbish, it is the internet after all.
Maybe we could get all the sensors on the course preview rider?
I’m lucky enough to have friends who told me that I suck at breaking, jumping and cornering and that my 5,5k € enduro bike suck on XC tracks.
I see no where live data stream as should be telemetry system...
the brakes sensor in these images are digital. They are ON/OFF and very precise (if you install them at the right distance from the lever). I usually install those sensors in order to switch-on the red LED when I touch the brake lever.
The ANALOG version will come.
Yes, definitely!
Force can be important, but the most important thing is the shape of the curve. This can be achieved with sensors that are exactly like the brakes sensors in the press release but in the analog version.
The analog version of these sensors will show you how much you are pulling the lever without open the hydraulic circuit and spend a lot of time.