BYB Releases Updated & Expanded Suspension Telemetry System

Sep 23, 2020
by Daniel Sapp  

Less than two years ago, BYB Telemetry introduced their telemetry system, which was aimed at making World Cup level tech available to everyone. Now, they've refined that kit and expanded on it, adding additional sensors for braking and wheel speed. There are also updates that make the system easier to use.



There's a new software feature that allows riders to see exactly where they are faster or slower and see how different set-ups impact performance. With the smartphone app and PC software, riders can see new and more intuitive charts that allow them to understand their bike and settings better. The new system is also lighter and more compact. For more details, check out the press release below.






PRESS RELEASE: BYB Telemetry

Brescia, IT – Exactly one year ago, BYB Telemetry delivered the first 50 kits ordered through Kickstarter, the crowdfunding platform that made it possible to produce the first professional telemetry system designed for MTB suspension. The system was born to detect the motion of the suspension and other dynamic parameters of MTB while riding. It allows the biker to base the suspension set-up on objective data, rather than relying on the rider's sensations alone and overcoming the existing limits regarding the communication between riders and suspension technicians.

After over a year of R&D, BYB Telemetry is ready to launch the version 2.0 of its telemetry kit. The new version contains relevant improvement concerning the ease-of-use, the reading and analysis of the obtained charts, also thank to the tutorial videos published on the BYB Telemetry YouTube channel.

In addition to monitoring suspensions, BYB Telemetry v2.0 now allows increasing the system’s potential by introducing two very fast-to-install brakes and wheel speed sensors. The brake sensors are custom made and require only a few minutes of assembly. They allow you to evaluate the balance of the bicycle and the behavior of both suspension during braking, in order to improve the overall set-up.

The wheel speed sensor, compared to the powerful integrated GPS antenna, provides an absolute precision in terms of speed and distance traveled along the trails. This upgrade has enabled to release a new software feature which allows to address also the most demanding riders, managing to identify with extreme precision the points of the track where the rider is slower or faster, highlighting them in green or red. Therefore, both amateurs and riders engaged in any kind of competition will be able to evaluate and compare how different set-ups of their bicycle can influence the chronometric feedback, safety and driving pleasure.

Through the smartphone app (Android and iOS) and the dedicated PC software (Win and Mac), every rider will be able to consult the more intuitive new charts, in order to understand the bike more deeply, as well as the difference among different settings. The automatic-tuning, specifically thought for the rental services offered by bike-shops is totally renewed. One click is enough to receive a direct suggestion on how to set up customer’s bikes. From our tests, only three acquisitions runs are needed (including relative adjustments after each one) to properly set pressures, rebound clicks and compression in order to get a well balanced bike. The overall balance of the bike is investigated also by studying the motion of each wheel by interpolating the characteristic points of the leverage-ratio curve of the bike’s swingarm.

The software and smartphone app are constantly evolving and characterized by periodic updates, new features and a lifetime license without any extra fee.

BYB Telemetry v2.0 is lighter, more compact and even more powerful, despite the increase from 2 to 10 acquisition channels and it's ready for ad-hoc customization. The sampling rate was brought to 1000Hz and the configuration of the parameters of your vehicle was also integrated within each run. This is a practical register that allows you to keep track of a lot of parameters such as every click on the knobs, custom spacers on the stem and the pressure used.

Made of CNC aluminum, the new set of universal mountings improves and simplifies the assembly of the kit on any downhill, enduro, cross-country and e-bike.

BYB Telemetry pursues the goal of making the best-personalized suspension set-up accessible to everyone and for this reason, it has introduced a new bundle, which is suitable for use on both MTB and Motocross. It allows the use of a single acquisition unit and a set of several dedicated sensors. The kits can be preordered at a discounted price with fast delivery time.

To learn more about BYB Telemetry, visit www.bybtelemetry.com.





78 Comments

  • 152 0
 Now I can tell the doctor exactly how fast I was going when I hit that tree, create a whole power point presentation with graphs and everything
  • 85 0
 “we can talk about your head later, but why the heck is your rebound so fast?”
  • 28 0
 “And you can see from the high brake input here that this is the exact moment I pooed my pants”
  • 28 1
 “you’re running 30% sag? all the cool guys run 15%. no wonder you said you weren’t sexually active at your last checkup.”
  • 1 1
 @ski-n-bike-da-east: because the internet told me that if my but doesnt come off the saddle rolling off a curb its not fast enough! or that if the front tire doesnt come off the ground with a fast downward stab its not fast enough! Spoiler, wide open on any of the 4 bikes ive owned the last 4 years havent done that.
  • 1 0
 LOL
  • 2 0
 I was thinking more of asking dentists for their data, if someone's gonna buy Yetis with my money may at least be a fast guy.
  • 30 0
 I already know I ride the brakes too much
  • 1 0
 @Graywing34 would discover that they should learn to use their front brake
  • 1 0
 @Supergirl56: Bob Hannah said, "Become a master of the front brake"
  • 27 1
 Phew, starting at only 1.6k, I thought it would be expensive
  • 8 1
 Take a look at data acquisition for motorsports. Most of the displays cost more than this whole kit.
  • 8 0
 @mrpfp: the big differences being daq is infinitely more valuable in two or four wheeled motorsports and those systems aren't marketed toward weekend warriors.

1.6k is also pennies in any motorsport
  • 7 0
 @HaggeredShins: While not necessarily disagreeing with you, I installed as many data dashes in weekend warrior BMWs as I did legitimate wheel to wheel or time attack race cars.
One set of carbon wheels can be had for $1600 and it could be argued the benefits of them aren’t angled toward weekend warriors but there’s more than just racers buying in. Perceived value is dependent on user.
  • 2 0
 @mrpfp: genuinely curious, what systems have you installed for the weekend guys? I spent a lot of time building track and autox cars when I was younger and I knew of absolutely no one outside of dedicated race teams who had any kind of real data tools for chassis & suspension--no doubt I was solidly in the low budget club and I'd bet accessible tech has come a long way in the past 10 years but still surprising to hear
  • 1 0
 @HaggeredShins: Mostly AIM Pista and MXL dashes and a few of the standalone ECU powered dashes from Haltech, AEM, etc.
None of these guys are measuring wheel or chassis strain gauge data. Things have definitely trickled down in the last 5-6 years I’d say.
  • 1 0
 @mrpfp: in all fairness that kind of stuff is pretty mandatory for someone doing anything mildly interesting with modern EFI. Tuning aside, gauges are cheap and tell you what you need to know under the hood. What I've never seen is remotely affordable chassis/suspension/braking telemetry that's cost feasible for someone casually doing some track days.

There are no doubt a niche group who will find this tech useful but a 1.6k base product is laughably prohibitive in a sport where a 2-3k bike is considered expensive for the average consumer. Cool tech, but gotta keep things in perspective when we're talking home page PB product articles.
  • 2 0
 @HaggeredShins: my last day working on race cars was more time on the radio telling the driver to check his gauges then it was anything actually useful towards going faster.
  • 2 0
 @DHhack: LOL I can imagine that being more frequent than not, would be nice to have everything on one cluster
  • 2 0
 @HaggeredShins: I feel like you just argued my point for me. You say you’ve never seen affordable chassis telemetry for cars but here’s all of that in MTB form for ~$1600. It’s another tool just like $1400 smart trainers.. I’m not sure where the needs of average consumers even came into play.
  • 2 1
 @mrpfp: Did you read the article? Literally the first and third sentences cover how the consumer is in play.

Whats going on in the car world is apropos of nothing in the MTB world. Different industries, different markets, different requirements, different tech. If we have to force some comparison, the car tech you noted is more akin to bike computers than this stuff, but even so a fractional expense next to the M3 its going into than a cycling sensor suite costing only a third of a high end mountain bike. Its awesome tech and amazing that its accessible at all but by no means affordable in the context of mountain biking.
  • 1 0
 @mrpfp, @HaggeredShins : A strain gauge device has already been designed and delivered. The project was commissioned by a bike factory.
The device isn't displayed on the website, but can be purchased if desired.
Enrico
  • 2 0
 @HaggeredShins: And 99% of riders would be better served spending that money on rider coaching. Data acquisition for Road race motorsport is very reliable because of the environment. Driver fatigue from one lap to another for a fit driver is negligible, and asphalt race tracks are far more stable than dirt dust and rocks. Never mind amateurs using this, I very much doubt world cup racers get even close to full potential out of this.

I think a good setup for the general public would look more at the rider. Data channels logged - wheel Speed, GPS, brake pressure, cadence, gear position, steer angle, and some appropriately placed cameras for body position and movement. And I think it would be very interesting to have load cells in the pedals and grips to see how the rider is applying their mass over the course.
  • 1 0
 @JoshieK: I really feel like this tech is complimentary to coaching--I wouldn't be surprised to see it popping up in those applications, or as a general rental, but the obvious benefit is long term in comparative analysis over time, tracks, setups, etc. That said, its probably the best tech out there to help the average rider dial and progress both their setup and their lines, but the entry fee is going to miss most of the intended audience (average rider) in that chunk of the bell curve, which is too bad.

Full disclosure I've looked more than seriously at BYB setups since they dropped knowing it can cover all my bikes and moto, but the price is tough to swallow.
  • 1 0
 @HaggeredShins: That assumes that the coach has any clue on how to interpret data. Ive seen data engineers who suck at it in professional motorsport.

For what its worth this system is cheap compared similar products on the market. But its still too expensive for the average rider. Damper pots are expensive and simply getting rid of them would drop a huge amount out of the price.

A lot can be learnt with nothing more than Speed trace and GPS. Something with a higher resolution than the average garmin type setup would help far more than this.

At the end of the day, the difference between a world cup racer and even a state level racer isn't bike setup. Its rider skill and fitness.
  • 1 0
 @JoshieK: The force user is applying over the course was on my mind for a while for multiple reasons. I think it could be achieved with a smartphone app and its sensors to an extent if rider carries just that phone. Was wondering if that data could be very useful, adding a brake sensor might be a pretty decent rider input gouging device I think
  • 2 0
 @JoshieK: But we aren't talking about world cup racers Wink

The average cyclist doesn't have any clue about bike fit, suspension, setup, and importantly how this all is working with or more frequently against them. Having had the opportunity as an amateur in other disciplines, being able to quantify and visualize performance is massively beneficial to increasing improvement rate of skill and consistency, especially through dialing equipment and isolating/eliminating latent issues.

Sure, every tool needs a competent operator, that's a given, but BYB seems to have done an admirable job making their tech accessible from a usability angle, just (and I figure we can agree) not a cost one.
  • 1 0
 @HaggeredShins: I agree the price is out of control in mtbing in general.

I think the only thing we probably disagree on is weather this could help riders visualise whats going on. Or at least that its overkill for that purpose. As I said a high resolution speed trace and gps will tell you an awful lot without getting complicated. And i could be delivered at a reasonable price. Vbox Sport will give you that for around 500usd. and it will plug into your smart phone.
  • 2 1
 @JoshieK: Got it. So only GPS and those among us with a clue can properly set up a bike? One of our customers (Dialled Telemetry) set up the British Female National Champ's bike using suspension data and she dropped her time by 20 seconds on a 2 minute run. Same rider, same bike, same track, same GPS tracks. They just had to modify almost everything on the shock and fork to properly support the rider and balance the bike. Tokens, Air Pressure, and a few knob twirls. Easy stuff right? And they did this in just a few runs. If GPS was the answer, then there would be no need for BYB or any other system out there. Technology like this is born out of necessity. Hats off to BYB for seeing a need, developing this system from scratch, and having the tenacity to bring it to market. Would be fun to meet up at a park and do some blind testing with a rider. You can develop the bike using GPS and therapy. I'll sit in a cave (my Covid19 home office) and just look at data. See who gets the best results.
  • 1 0
 @MotionInstruments: 20seconds on a short track. The pressure is on you to back up your hyperbolic statemt was down to just bike setup or other factors were included.

Also, ive been arguing this approach to average riders, not national champions. People who will benefit far more from rider coaching.

Maybe it's better you stay in your cave
  • 1 0
 @MrDuck: I would suggest given what I've seen in other forms of 2and 4 wheeled racing is that braking is a huge area for improvement.

I'm not certain what could be learnt from rider force application or if it's been used before elsewhere but I'm sure it could be developed into useful advanced coaching.
  • 1 0
 @JoshieK: what you're conveniently ignoring is that when you can talk about that quality of improvement with a higher level rider--someone who has a team, the experience, and presumably their setup preferences 'dialed' by feel--it would be overwhelmingly likely to net even greater returns for someone lacking all three. No one would be using this tech at all and there would be no market segment for it without being beneficial. There is no argument otherwise.

Bottom line from my perspective, from years of riding, racing, building, fitting, and tuning custom bikes... skill level is separate from equipment. You need both. No, this kind of tech won't turn a novice into Gwin but the best coaching in the world won't allow someone to overcome all hurdles of bike setup (see @MotionInstruments anecdote above), **especially** when a rider doesn't have the skill backbone to translate what about his/her setup does/not feel right. This is a mechanic's nightmare when a novice or amateur rider can't articulate what feels off--data resolves that.

The only reason I ever posted in this article is because of the cost. Saying there is not benefit on the other hand defies logic.
  • 1 0
 @HaggeredShins: Love it when pink bike turns into a game of absolutes and pretending people said things they didn't. Data analysis is this - Rubbish input = rubbish output. If the rider is not riding correctly then the data will reflect that. No amount of suspension tuning should be used to account for say, bad body position. I never argued against data aquisition. Just a more basic, easier to understand and what would you know CHEAPER. Ask Motion Instruments how much they sell their linear pots for. Dump those and you've gutted the price of the BYB to half its current cost.
  • 1 0
 @RobMI: Do you want a prize? This wasn't a discussion of if its cool or if it even exists, Data aquistion has been around since the 1960s. The discussion here was if its actually affordable, and to what extent its useful to the average rider. I mearly suggested a more rider input focused system is more useful than whats on offer. And it could be a whole lot cheaper. Your own gear is expensive - in so much as 99% of the the mtb world won't even consider what you have to offer. A much cheaper system with fewer sensors can be a hell of a lot cheaper and still provide heaps of information to the the user and while being easier for them to understand.
But you can keep patting yourself on the back and making hyperbolic rubbish, it is the internet after all.
  • 1 0
 @JoshieK: It looks like you are projecting. There a just a big difference between talking and doing. You talk a lot but say very little. Just calling bs on your bs. Sorry, just got tired of seeing you pop up every other comment.
  • 1 0
 @RobMI: Projecting what, exactly? vague open ended statement for someone making this statement --->> "You talk a lot but say very little". You don't know what I do or don't do, and to that end its a very stupid and ignorant argument to assume I talk and not do...
  • 21 0
 might be a little bit overkill buying telemetry to hunt strava koms
  • 48 0
 Strava KOM's are yours until the donut arrives. Then they belong to the donut.
  • 1 0
 Soon bikes are transforming into robots
  • 6 0
 @metong: Donuts in disguise.
  • 1 0
 @metong: That would be even harder to ride! A robot would destroy my usual speeds, i wouldnt be able to hold on.
  • 17 0
 Can we please have this for all riders World Cup DH races. So fascinating to watch POV footage and this stuff at the same time. Literally like Formula 1!
  • 7 0
 Oh man, it would be so rad, but literally 0% chance of riders and teams revealing details about their custom tunes and setups. Manufacturers would push back too because non-racers would buy their forks and shocks and then see that they get totally different performance on the trail.

Maybe we could get all the sensors on the course preview rider?
  • 11 0
 Does someone tell you what all those spaghetti lines mean and how to make me faster?
  • 8 0
 People spend years and years learning how to interpret this type of data, and even in professional motorsport there are engineers who suck at it. Giving it to a bunch of keyboard mtb 'engineers' who's suspension knowledge and vehicle dynamics is limited to knowing the word 'kinematics' its right up there with ejector seats on a submarine and pooing in your hands then clapping.
  • 10 0
 Finally. Now I will have proof in graph form that I am actually worse at every aspect of bike riding than I am already sure I was.
  • 7 0
 Sorry BYB, I just realize that I don’t need your telemetry awsome gadgets.
I’m lucky enough to have friends who told me that I suck at breaking, jumping and cornering and that my 5,5k € enduro bike suck on XC tracks.
  • 4 0
 FYI, it is good to suck at breaking, as long as you are good at braking.
  • 3 0
 Whoa this super cool. Its really cheap compared to building all of this your self. Check out vorsprungs suspensions videos and you'll start to see how mathematics can be used to rapidly optimize suspension tunes.
  • 5 0
 I knew I should have invested in Rosetta Stone....
  • 1 0
 captions are in english
  • 2 0
 @GB34: Yeah but thats way less sexy!!
  • 3 0
 I miss the days of the 888 and manitou swinger 4 way where the adjustments didn't really do anything so you didn't need this stuff
  • 1 0
 Seems like the right product for the right person...but who is this person? I could spend a month perfecting my roomba track, or just vacuum the floor for ten minutes. But if we are racing roombas, and sponsored, i guess its time well spent.
  • 1 0
 Put that second part on a t-shirt and shit will happen to you like shit happened to Forrest Gump
  • 4 0
 Finally I can put to numbers how bad I suck
  • 1 0
 i can see this being useful for installing on peoples bikes to learn suspension and get their shit dialed, for a cost. you may be able to make your money back quick
  • 1 0
 If you had any clue of what you where doing. dialled suspension only works if the rider is doing there job correctly before hand. Out side of professional racing this is the equivalent of digging a hole and then emptying your wallet into the hole then tipping fuel into the hole and setting it on fire.
  • 1 0
 "Man my bike feels amazing - I'm shredding like never b4, but my phone app is telling me it's all wrong. . .better start changing things"
  • 1 1
 I can imagine data acquisition being useful for road racecars. But for MTB there are so many more variables, like terrain, rider etc. Isn't it just placebo to make the rider feel good about their setup?
  • 1 0
 Why this name... Data are logged and then downloaded on phone/laptop... That's data acquisition
I see no where live data stream as should be telemetry system...
  • 1 0
 Congrats to BYB for making this system and bringing it to market. It will make the world a better place. Life is too short to race or ride a bike that's set up like crap.
  • 1 0
 If you want access to this without paying a fortune, look up esp32 data logging.
  • 1 0
 Genuinely curious about what you came up with, did you make your own data acquisition system using this?
  • 1 0
 my results are temperature, power, humidity and one GPS logging.
  • 1 0
 I wonder how it measures and grades brake input? Very cool system.
  • 1 0
 From the video on their website, it mounts to the brake levers on the handlebars. It looks like it measures how far the brake lever is squeezed. Since braking force isn't linear to lever position, it's probably not super precise when you are really grabbing the brakes.
  • 4 0
 Hi guys @mrpfp and @iliveonnitro,
the brakes sensor in these images are digital. They are ON/OFF and very precise (if you install them at the right distance from the lever). I usually install those sensors in order to switch-on the red LED when I touch the brake lever.
The ANALOG version will come.
  • 3 0
 @RodEnry: Thanks for the reply. As a former motorsports tech I really love seeing these kind of products. Looking forward to the analog braking solution!
  • 1 0
 @RodEnry: So the brakes only tell you on/off and duration, but not amount of brake? Will you be able to integrate force at some point?
  • 1 0
 @iliveonnitro: Looks like he’s saying that a pressure or stroke based brake measurement is coming at a later date but the current system is on/off only.
  • 1 0
 @iliveonnitro and @mrpfp:
Yes, definitely!
Force can be important, but the most important thing is the shape of the curve. This can be achieved with sensors that are exactly like the brakes sensors in the press release but in the analog version.
The analog version of these sensors will show you how much you are pulling the lever without open the hydraulic circuit and spend a lot of time.
  • 4 6
 their next application is... wait for it... one sensor on the box springs and one sensor on the headboard... and instead of Strava it will be called Straddle... (just gave myself negative props for this)
  • 1 0
 Backyard boards into mtb!!!
  • 1 0
 Telemetry is not the same as data acquisition...
  • 1 0
 please pinkbike, make a real test of all system available for us ????

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