Calibre Bossnut V2 - Review

Aug 14, 2017
by Paul Aston  



Calibre is a name you're probably not familiar with, but one that we might be seeing more of in the future. The in-house brand of sports retailer, Go Outdoors, in the United Kingdom, Calibre is focused on bringing a quality ride at an affordable price. The Bossnut promises a trail-focused alloy frame, RockShox suspension, a Shimano Deore groupset and a finishing kit that is chosen to get the job done and allow riders space to upgrade in the future.

The 130mm travel Bossnut retails at £1,300 GBP, but sign up for the Go Outdoors discount card, which costs a nominal £5, and the Bossnut V2 is all yours for £999. The bikes are only available in person in the UK from Go Outdoors stores, but they also offer free delivery inside of the UK and ship worldwide for a small fee, for example, £9.95 to the USA.


Calibre Bossnut V2

Calibre Bossnut V2 Details

• Intended use: trail, enduro
• Travel: 130mm F+R
• 27.5" wheels
• Non-boost hub spacing front and rear
• 6061 hydroformed alloy frame
• RockShox suspension
• Sizes: M, L, XL
• Weight: 14.9kg / 32.8 lb (XL, no pedals, with tubes)
• Price: £999 / $1,300 USD approx.
www.gooutdoors.co.uk



Geometry and Details


I went for the XL sized Bossnut which has a 463mm reach, 66.8º head angle, a 73.5º seat angle and a 436mm chainstay; numbers that clearly line it up against Stumpjumpers, Fuels, and Trances from the big brands. The first thing I noticed was the 546mm seat tube, which is close to my limit given my 33" inseam. Trying to upgrade to a decent dropper post could be an issue here, depending on model, the length of drop, and your height.

I opted for the XL and the seat tube height was on my height limit with a 33 inseam. This could be an issue foe some riders looking to upgrade to a dropper post.
I opted for the XL and the seat tube height was on my height limit with a 33" inseam. This could be an issue for some riders looking to upgrade to a dropper post.
Bossnut Calibre
The Bossnut's geometry lines it up against some big sellers.

The Bossnut has full external cable routing, a tapered headtube, BSA 73mm threaded bottom bracket shell and PM160 brake mounts. A 31.6mm seat tube is just waiting for a budget dropper post to be installed with external routing available underneath the top tube.


Bargain price bike but still comes with an up to date tapered headtube.
Bargain price bike, but still comes with an up to date tapered headtube and fork.

External cable routing throughout for the Bossnut.
External cable routing throughout for the Bossnut.

For the price, the Bossnut comes with a solid spec and there's nothing that stands out as corner cutting. A Shimano Deore groupset, RockShox Monarch R shock and a Sektor Silver fork. WTB i25 rims are encased in Vigilante and Bee Line rubber from the same brand and laced to Formula hubs, WTB also take care of the saddle. There's a 760mm wide Ritchey handlebar mounted to a Calibre's own 60mm stem and Entity single lock on grips to finish the build.

Branded parts on a sub 1000 full suspension bike we were surprised too.
Branded parts on a sub £1000 full suspension bike, we were surprised too.



Suspension Design


A small rocker link helps to keep the swingarm inline when driving the rear shock.
A small rocker link helps to keep the swingarm inline when driving the rear shock.
The Rock Shox suspension front and rear did a fine job.
The RockShox suspension front and rear did a fine job.

The Bossnut employs a single-pivot design with the main pivot located just above the bottom bracket, a secondary link is found above the rear wheel axle on the seat stay, which is connected directly to the shock. There is a small link mounted to the seat tube that should increase stiffness and keep everything in line as the suspension cycles up and down


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The main thing that the Bossnut has going for it, in terms of suspension, is that it's well specced with RockShox air springs front and rear. This means that all riders should be able to get pretty close to a good setup within a few minutes. Many budget bikes are supplied with coil suspension. If the spring rates on those coils aren't a match for your weight, they are likely to stay that way for the remainder of your relationship with the bike.



Specifications
Specifications
Price $999
Rear Shock Rock Shox Monarch R 190x51mm
Fork Rock Shox Sektor Silver 130mm travel with tapered alloy steerer and 15mm bolt through maxle
Headset FSA Orbit tapered No. 57E
Cassette Sunrace 11-36T
Crankarms Shimano Deore 36x22T
Rear Derailleur Shimano Deore 10 speed Shadow Plus
Front Derailleur Shimano Deore 2 x 10 speed
Shifter Pods Shimano Deore 2 x 10 speed iSpec
Handlebar Ritchey MTN Trail 760mm width, 20mm rise
Stem Calibre trail (45mm for 17.5"and 19.5", 60mm for 21.5")
Brakes Shimano M506 levers with M447 calipers, Shimano 180mm centre lock front rotor and Shimano 160mm centre lock
Hubs Formula 15mm bolt through 32H / Formula 32H
Rim WTB ST i25 32H tubeless ready
Tires WTB Vigilante 2.3” front, WTB Bee Line 2.2” rear
Seat WTB Volt Sport
Seatpost Calibre trail 30.9mm 350mm length






Calibre Bossnut V2


Calibre Bossnut V2



Three Questions with Mike Sanderson, Calibre Brand Manager.

How did you decide upon the geometry numbers for this bike? It looks like the Bossnut is lining itself up against some big sellers like the Specialized Stumpjumper, Trek Fuel and Giant Trance?


Really it came from riding bikes like these, reading reviews and seeing the direction of the market. Then on the opposite of this, I looked at what was out at the price point I wanted to hit and not seeing geometry or spec that I felt would give riders the best ride or time on their bike. Once I had this a test bike was built and ridden in the Peak (UK) by a few of us and we tested several different shock tunes and then the rest is history as they say.


What type of rider is the Bossnut aimed at?


Honestly, I started this project with fairly new or returning riders in mind, but the first Bossnut quickly surpassed that so with the ‘V2’ I wanted to upgrade the frame with things like the increased reach, shorter stem, and increased tyre spacing so they could be ridden at UK enduros or the Alps etc.


Why would a rider choose the Bossnut over a well maintained, used bike of a similar price?


The age old question, it’s up to the individual I suppose, but there is something nice about having a brand new bike with everything working at once, I’ve built many a bike when upgrading the frame with all sorts of horror stories. The Bossnut is also very well specced for the money and comparable to bikes much higher in price so it could be treated as a new bike but the same capability and spec of used bike.











It's a tough job (sob sob) for us tech editors at Pinkbike to test a bike from the lower echelons of the bike world. Normally we are blessed/baited by the most expensive, bling bikes, carbon this and lightweight that, high precision, tuned and ergonomically perfected steeds that in reality, sell low numbers. We report on how light, efficient, and smooth they ride, when the truth is that most riders purchase and ride the lower specced, heavier, clunkier models that can be in a different league of performance even though they are from the same range or family of bikes.

So the Bossnut started its testing life feeling clunky, noisy and heavy compared to what I was used to, but I had to keep reminding myself that this bike literally cost 10% of some of the bikes we get to ride, I have even tested a pair of brakes that cost the same amount as this bike, one day upon the Bossnut I calculated that the kit I was wearing cost more than the bike I was riding; reality check.

Then, I took it down the Pleney black downhill run in Morzine and got stuck behind a bunch of guys on top of the range downhill sleds. It was still noisy and clunky compared to something equipped with full XTR or XX1, and the chain kept falling off. But it did a remarkable job of getting on with it and down the hill. Game on.



Climbing and Trail


The Bossnut isn't a 20lb XC racer, but it worked its way up the climbs as well as anything else it is expected to compete with, even if the battle it's lining itself up for puts it into contention with bikes from the next price class, where the thousands listed on the price tags start with a 2,3, possibly 4 or even 5.

The compression damping is firm and it doesn't wallow. There is no compression adjust lever to play with here, but I didn't actually feel the need for one. The cockpit is roomy enough and the saddle isn't positioned too far behind the bottom bracket at full height. As mentioned earlier, the 546mm tall seat tube was at my limit, and anything longer than installing a 125mm dropper would be out of bounds. The lack of dropper is acceptable for the price, but being used to an uppy-downy seatpost on every bike I pedal nowadays made me feel my riding was severely limited on the trail. A dropper should be the number one upgrade on the Bossnut.


Riding the Calibre Bossnut


Overall the Bossnut does a good job when heading into the trails, the frame isn't overly stiff, and complies well to the terrain. The balance between front and rear suspension is easy to find, although choosing a click of rebound damping that wasn't either too fast or too slow took a few attempts. Compression and progression give the rider plenty to push against when railing corners, landing jumps or pumping peaks and troughs.


Riding the Calibre Bossnut


Descending


The smaller M and L sizes are blessed with a 45mm stem, which is ideal for mountain biking. Being a lanky oaf, my XL was specced with a 60mm stem. I swapped it out for a 50mm model. That quick modification brought our descending position into the game. With my hands placed nicely behind the front wheel, it allowed me to drive the front tire into the ground to slow down and not constantly feel that over-the-bars sensation.

As I mentioned earlier, the bike handled more than a few laps of the Pleney surprisingly well. The Bossnut took all but the most extremely steep or rough terrain in hand after a quick switch to a single chainring, a bit of rubber tape near the chain to keep things quiet and some heavier tires, which I strapped on after the original rubber suffered a number of punctures.


Riding the Calibre Bossnut


Technical Report



Shimano Deore Brakes:

I mentioned earlier that I have tested brakes that cost as much as this entire bike. But the Shimano Deore brakes offer ridiculously good performance for the price of a pair of new tires. So cheap you could almost buy a new pair instead of changing the pads when they are worn out and makes us question why would you spend more?
The Deore brakes are fantastic and makes us question why would you spend more




WTB Volt Saddle:

Saddle choice is personal, and the WTB Volt definitely wasn't for me. I normally have my saddle tilted forwards for climbing, but the high nose of the Volt meant I had to tip it even further forwards than usual.
Saddle choice is personal and the WTB Volt definitely wasn t for me.




WTB Vigilante and Bee Line:

The WTB tires aren't a bad choice, the Bee Line rolls well and the Vigilante bites into soft dirt. We would be looking to change these to something with a heavier carcass and softer rubber to get the most out of this bike after a number of punctures. Another cheap upgrade and the chance to get the right tire for your trails and conditions.
The WTB tires aren t a bad choice we just wanted something with a little more sidewall and a softer compound. Another cheap upgrade.


Front Derailleur

I have never been a front derailleur fan and probably never will be (I haven't ridden with one by choice for twenty years) and the chain kept falling off. That was annoying, and yes I did check the setup of the front derailleur on the direct mount and it was at its lower limit of adjustment. They should be relegated to the recycling bin and here's why:

For: It gives riders a wider range of gears, especially helpful for beginners/weaker riders for climbing.

Against: They clutter the handlebar with another shifter. It's another moving part to tune and service.
Calibre Bossnut V2

The chain falls off or down into the lower ring. You need a longer chain, which also means more chain slap and they are noisy. The large ring stabs people with dirty, oily, pointed, metal teeth in the calf muscles (especially the beginners they are trying to help) when the chain is in the small ring. It's an added confusion and I don't believe weaker riders need super easy gears for technical or very steep climbing, as they are likely to be already out of their depth of skill before running out of pedal power.

I ditched the derailleur and put on a 32t Superstar NW style ring that cost £30 and even made in the UK. The bike is already equipped with a Deore clutch derailleur, and I didn't drop a chain again after this. This also allowed me to remove a few links from the chain, added some rubber tape and this quietened everything down for a more peaceful ride. Problem solved



Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesThe Bossnut is a bargain bike that can be made into a competitive machine with a few small changes. Add a single ring, budget dropper post, and some grippier rubber to this bike and you might think you were riding something that cost three, four, or even five times the price Paul Aston








About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 31 • Height: 6'1” • Ape Index: +4" • Weight: 75kg • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None • Instagram: astonator
Paul Aston is a racer and dirt-jumper at heart. Previously adding to the list of non-qualifiers at World Cup DH events, now he attacked enduro before it was fashionable. Based in the UK, but often found residing between mainland Europe and New Zealand allows him to experience a huge variety of terrains and trails.



165 Comments

  • + 140
 Great review. I'm not in the market for this type of bike but my god am I glad there's some real world bikes priced for the mortals out there who have slimmer wallets and concerns like families and mortgages to pay for. Looks like you could have fun upgrading this sorted frame over years of ownership. Hope it does well.
  • + 14
 Yeh, great to see more bikes at this price point. Hopefully it will help drive competition for cheaper more capable bikes generally.
Also, totally agree with the front mech comments. In fact, here are some more cons :
More weight.
Clogs with mud in the winter.
Another thing to service/maintain.

Eagle has made them obsolete.
  • + 14
 I also don't need another bike..... But part of me has major FOMO if I don't own a bike called a 'bossnut'
  • + 6
 They did do a limited addition bike that came with up grades such as 1x drive chain and dropper post all for £1300ish if i remember correctly. They even did ladies version of the standard bike (saddle, grips, cranks and colours).
  • + 18
 Just to slightly add some balance to the front mech argument - I'm really for front mechs. My current bike is 1x only and it's the only thing that I don't like about it.
There isn't enough range and the chain goes really flappy in the higher gears.

I really miss double + bash.
Front mechs require absolutely zero maintenance throughout their entire life (which is pretty much infinite), add very little weight and are basically ace.

Sorry Pinkbike
  • + 10
 @IllestT: I don't use front mech since 2009 and push my bike way less often than before. But... either front mech or moving the chain with my finger at the top/bottom of a mountain seems like a much better idea, than a fkng 50t cassette...
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't doubt the merits of having the range of Eagle, but even after letting it soak in since its launch, I still have a little "wtf?" moment every time I see a 50T cog.
  • + 2
 Thanks, @Waldon83: I just had to look FOMO up.
  • + 17
 @nickkk : totally with you on the affordability.
Newbies to the sport that stumble on to Pinkbike might be more inspired to get serious and ditch their Wall Mart bike for one of these...Pinkbike should feature more budget bikes so that we can grow our sport for generations to come.
  • + 3
 @mtnrush666: 100% Agreed. I'm getting one of my buddies into MTB for the first time, and his first month of riding is either going to cost several hundred dollars or rely entirely on borrowing undersized bikes from his friends. That's a substantial barrier to entry and doesn't really convey why MTB is so awesome - which is the ability to just get outside and ride.
  • + 5
 @mtnrush666: absolutely. A little part of me dies when I see someone heading up to the cashier with a bike from Walmart, Canadian Tire, etc. There have been a number of times I've actually stopped people and convinced them to get a used better quality bike instead. Not many people will keep riding if their bike weighs a ton and is noisier than a cheap motel mattress.
  • - 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 14, 2017 at 7:56) (Below Threshold)
 @Beazy, @mtnrush666: sorry, there's an entry barrier for everything in life. Should I be bummed about not being to afford a Porsche GT3 and few weekends on Nurburgring or Laguna Seca in a year? I want to drive on track, it's such a great sport! Also it is hard to argue for MTB being too small to evangelize people into it. The last thing I want to see is a commercial before Christmas that little Billy wants to mountain bike but he can't cuz prices are too high SMS "DONATE" to 555-635-874, C'm on...

Think for a tiny moment how many trail builders and trail access advocates you have per mountain bike population - do you really want more people on trails? I tell you something, cheaper bikes won't get too many more people riding trails, E-bikes will. Yes they fkng will. And what makes you think people on cheap bikes will be better users than people on affordable bikes? Nothing. Think for a moment, are ski-resorts really that fantastic for people who started skiing long time ago, did ski touring, first descents? No, I bet you a fkng 10000$ that skilled skiers despise piste skiing, and that is exactly who you highly probably are. We already despise people who stay on fire roads, and they are the vast majority of people on bikes.

You can manufactue these, but you cannot manufacture will to excell, you cannot manufacture mental approach of fighting through fear and pain, and this is exactly what is needed to create a quality MTBer. Simply put: people who are into MTB find their way into it, those who aren't don't. And there is nothing bad about it. I find high prices as a preferable condition.

I took a few people into MTB over the 15 years, at laest 10 folks. At least 50% of them shouldn't bike. It was my ego trying to get someone appreciate what I do.
  • + 5
 @mtnrush666: This.
Same goes for the magazines. Most people can't afford to throw down several thousand to "try out" a sport.
There needs to be more emphasis on bikes in the $1,000 to $1,500 range. Its a spot that most people can live with and still get a good deal. Just got the wife unit a Giant Stance for $1400. What an amazing bike for the money! She loves it and will enjoy it for years to come.
The sport is very popular now and we have amazing equipment to use compared to even 10 years ago. High prices could cause it to suffer a slow demise, however. We don't all need race spec machines to go have fun on the local trails...
  • + 3
 @Poulsbojohnny: Agree with this. A lot of my office mates are really curious and interested in the sport but the price of getting a descent full suspension bike or a hardtail with modern geo(from my advice) puts them off.

Spending $2k to try out a sport is too much. But I've been really impressed with the value offerings from Giant. My wife tried my Stumpy 29 for the first time last month and she says she'll never go back on her $400 hardtail again. I'm thinking of getting her a Giant Stance so I can have my bike back again.
  • + 15
 @WAKIdesigns: This is an awful take. Making capable bikes at affordable prices would absolutely make it more viable to get into mountain biking. You're right, you can't manufacture the "will to fight though fear and pain"- but you can certainly ensure someone is having a ton more fun in between those moments on a bike that isn't terrible, and cut down on the frequency of those "tough to endure moments".

There's absolutely no reason there shouldn't be a market that's in between $300 Wal-Mart bikes and $2700 base level full suspension mountain bikes without having to test your luck on the used market. Creating that tier will certainly help grow the sport, because those savings will trickle down into the used market as well.

Put people on bikes which are more readily enjoyable (because they don't weigh 42 lbs with suspension which doesn't at all function), and they'll catch the bug that much quicker, and more deeply, and they will develop that will to fight through adversity.
  • + 11
 @mtnrush666: Pinkbike just needs more articles/reviews and content in general! Some of us actually end up working by the end of the day because pinkbike/vital doesn't have enough to read!
  • - 7
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 14, 2017 at 10:49) (Below Threshold)
 @phobospwns: why on Earth do you want the sport to grow? Think about it, I urge you to do it... what are the benefits. Please make opportunity/threat analysis for this issue. Then ask yourself: what's in it for you. Fk some high fly bullsht, think: "what's in it for me".
  • + 8
 @WAKIdesigns: Here in the Land of the Free, most open land is owned by the Federal Government, and most of that is 'Wilderness', meaning you can't ride a bike on it. You can take a horse that poops all over the place, bring in feed full of weeds and other seeds from invasive species, etc but you can't bike. The BLM and other land management in government claim that biking has a huge environmental footprint, but thats all complete crap. They just want to limit access to make their jobs easier. Horse people are numerous (and rich) enough to successfully lobby to allow access for their horses. If more Americans rode mountain bikes, there would be more pressure to open up 'wilderness' areas for biking.
  • + 7
 @mtnrush666: yep. I came back to the sport properly after 6/7 years in 2014 and couldn't believe the old magazines. Eg: MBUK/MBR/WANKDUROTODAY "Entry level shoot out test- best bang for UNDER 2k!!!" as if I'm supposed to be greatful for their advertorial testing at those price points. Never bought a traditional mag since-and yet those mags and reviews were the kick off for me aged 13. Utterly dumbfounded at the astronomical buy in today for fans of the sport. Seems to have happened in a very short space of time. I can no longer contest when some dipshit claims "it's the new golf!" -they're right.
  • + 6
 @phobospwns: absolutely 100% behind this statement. @WAKIdesigns you're so often right and to the point-but I have to respectfully agree that you're wrong on this one. You concede to an ego which led to you impressing your view of this sport/lifestyle that MTB now is which is interesting- but I fear that might be the same ego here that is apparently ok with an elitist buy in price WAY over the heads of a lot of ppl. Justifying the idea that a price tag in the multiple thousands for a 'basic' mtb even BEFORE considering apparel or the roundabout of changing standards the last 10 years is somehow good because it keeps the riff raff out?? Seriously? Come on. The entire industry needs taking down a peg in that regard. You've struck a bum note here.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: so in the future you can still get parts to service your niche high end bike?
  • + 15
 @WAKIdesigns: why on Earth do you want the sport to grow?
Easy.
1. More consumers = more (affordable) equipment choices.
2. More riders = more voices to help keep riding areas open. Case in point, our local trails. Generously available to local riders and equestrians for 20 years. As use grew, the desire to sell the land off for development was reduced and now the land is being purchased by advocacy groups and the county for trail use.
3. Less people like you (by percentage). Your thoughts on this topic are incredibly selfish. What's in it for me? How about you go buy your own land and make your own trails and keep your bad attitude to yourself. You can rip it all you want and pat yourself on the back and tell all your buddies how cool you are.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: growth in any sport means more opportunity for company's to make money leading a drive in competition which speeds up tech growth and trickle down effect. Also more demand for trails (hamncheez example).
So what's in it for you/me? Better quality cheaper components and more places to ride, that's what.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Shrink the sport! MTBer takes his budget bike on a budget flight to Whistler and wonders why the mountain air is full of smoke. Insofar as oceans are rising, mountains are falling, and growing the sport is already shrinking it. Though one has to be careful about suggesting how the population is to be reduced, unless he'd like to become an early example!
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Occupy Wilderness.
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: Why do I want the sport to grow? How about more friends to ride with, more people to enjoy my days with out on the trail. As I've gotten older, my riding group has gotten smaller and smaller (and I live in a place where it's not hugely popular). I long for the good ol' days of going out in a group of 10 guys and shredding a trail and enjoying a beer after. There's a place for solo rides (and lately I've been doing many by choice), but ultimately, the friendship that comes from that shared conquering of adversity is a huge part of the sport. If more people were into MTB, that'd be easier to come by. Maybe that's not the case for you, and that's fine... but the more, the merrier in my opinion.
  • + 3
 @phobospwns: agree so much! Other than actually taking a bike to the trails, one of the greatest things about mountain biking is the community. People by and large are friendly, helpful, and inviting. If you want to be an elitist, get a road bike.

I look for every opportunity I can to introduce people to the sport. I get immense satisfaction seeing them have fun and challenge themselves beyond what they thought they could previously do. At one point in my life, a couple of guys took me out for my first time on a bike. I'm just passing on the joy.
  • + 1
 Definitely needed, I bought cheap bikes by Giant and Scott for groups at work and they were terrible. My original full suss was a spesh xc comp at a grand and it was boss (though ten years ago), a decent bike at this price point is essential to encourage people into more adventurous riding, well in Calibre
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I see u doing what u do best, winding the f*ck out of every body for a rise. I still haven't worked out if it's you're dry sense of humour/ you're an ass/ you like to get a debate going, hope it's the last....but I may be wrong!
  • + 73
 PB should do a Cheap Bike vs Bling Bike challenge. One (unsponsored or retired) pro rider doing a time trial on a course first on a Bossnut followed by a run on a blinged out Santa Cruz Bronson CC SRAM Eagle XX1 with Enve wheels and all those carbon goodies.

Let's see if some of us lose our minds knowing we(they) paid $9000 more to be faster by 1.3 seconds or something. It would be fun.
  • + 1
 We all know the answer to that question... we fkng do... two comparable bikes, one cheap, one expensive will get comparable results, ESPECIALLY under an elite rider who doesn't have "if I only had X component/material" in the back of his head. He/She'll be like: let's see how you do scrappie. Not like: "I bet I have to be more careful in the corners". Or: "SWorks demo! Finally! No more rolling A-Line, Crabapple bits here I coooome!
  • + 8
 Agreed, that would be hilarious but it aint going to happen. . It would be bad marketing for the over priced, over hyped carbon only bike brands especially.
  • + 1
 I think it would be interesting to do an ex pro completing a course and then an average rider on both bikes. A 1.3 second difference for a pro rider will translate to a much bigger difference for a mortal.
  • + 5
 @tufty: Years ago MBUK did just that. They put a pro (think it was Rob Jarman?) on a rigid Giant they bought for £50, then put a couple of their guys on dream bikes (Intense DH bikes I think) and then soundly got spanked by the pro on his rigid bike with rotting tyres and plastic cantilever brakes.
  • + 2
 @Fix-the-Spade: Yeah what I would be interested in is a side by side vs. So me on a Bronson vs a bossnut and see what difference it makes and equally a pro on a bronson and a bossnut. Pro time is likely to be marginal but to an average rider it would make much more of a difference
  • + 1
 I have read comparisons in the past from different publications comparing a low-end version to a high-end version of the same bike, The basically sum up like this, "90% of the performance is there, but, if you have deep enough pockets to spring for the high-end version, you won't regret it" ......and I know that I want to pretend that I need that extra 10% boost!
  • + 1
 Great idea - Pinkbike may not be the ideal people to do it due to their paid advertisment links but an independent website setup to do this would be brilliant.

Get a pro level rider (always un-named) to test bikes and setups such as tyres etc and time the results, it would be amazing to see how things go in the real world.

If bikes are comparable in type I imagine the results could be rather annoying to the industry trying to pedal its ideas of what makes a real difference in terms of performance.
  • + 2
 @Racer951: If you think about it, Pinkbike has lesser obligations to "paying advertisers" than small sites, simply because they serve pretty much all companies on rather equal terms. Small site gets maybe one big "investor" and then a couple of small ones. They inevitably tied to those fewer clients and won't risk annoying any of them. Actually I do not think it would put off any company, let's say Specialized, if you took Enduro 29 comp and put it against S-Works. You may eventually run into trouble getting both bikes from them, but if you fixed them on your own, it would be silly for Spec to get angry about it.

There is another side to a small site... they are incentivised to manufacture results to lick big clients arse. Pinkbike or Dirt or Vital isn't. They may have personal bias, since they are run by people and each single one of us likes somethign over another thing for no apparent reason. Small sites often have profit related biased relations with certain brands, simply because it's a small world and it may be that editor on a small site maybe worked in a certain shop, or is very good friend of a dude who sells a particular brand. It is also resource poor world. You won't get particulalry rich by running a small site, hell I know someone who runs a big site, who isn't. So MTB site staff are often poor... if you get a free bike from someone, no questions asked, that's 5k$, you will feel in debt to them. 100% Guaranteed. Now Pinkbike? It's the other way around, Mike Kaz, Mike Levy? They surely have problems riding all those bikes Pinkbike is being sent.

I can't tell you who I am talking about, but I am not talking out of my arse... there are some corrupted sites, pushing a set of products much more than others, but it's not the big ones. What I wanted to say was: most conspiracies about big sites being shills for certain players in the industry are bollocks. They are however playing for the industry as a whole. Like RC being perfectly fine with Di2 and talking about "progress", ONLY because he doesn't pay for it. If he was to lash out 1000$ instead of 300 he would not be so positive. 700$ is a lot of money.

They run into another problem, that NSMB often points out, it is i very easy for a bike journo to become numb on stuff like durability. A - because trends change so fast that "long term" tests are virtually pointless, B - they don't keep those bikes for long enough C - they don't pay for them. Let's say I got a fork in exchange for one that was topping out, otherwise having everything ok with it. But because I was btchng so much online about it they sent me a new model. Well, I'm happy, WOW I got a new fork. It works great, reliability is the only issue. But since I can expect a new one well, then I like it. Do I care for a poor fkr that has to lash out another 800$ because his fork is topping out like crazy and he got tired of it? We both noticed the problem, but only the payer has an actual reason to be angry, while I am incentivised to talk about quality of their customer service.
  • + 6
 @Racer951: I wonder if the Stig rides bikes?
  • + 1
 Rob Warner done something similar a while back comparing times on a glory advanced vs an atx 1. Times were a lot closer than the brands would have you think.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: They are a big player, but they still get money from bike companies, so they have a bit contradictory goals - they need readers who must believe they are objective, and yet they get paid by the brands exactly because readers think they (Pinkbike) are objective. So in the end all their reviews are mild and they rather avoid direct comparisons. I am sure that if they were more brutal with their reviews, they would have much fewer customers. Still I think they have found a pretty good balance.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I didn't really explain myself properly - I mean any site that takes revenue / freebies.

You have any idea of the cost to advertise on PB by the way? A front page 'theme' is serious cash but I'm sure it does nothing to sway potential reviews at all? You seriously telling me that a month long advert from Trek gives as much leverage as a small box banner on the side of the page from one of the small guys? You are comparing hundreds of thousands of dollars to thousands here.

PB is a full blown business, you would need a non-revenue interested group to perform such a review, which is why it doesn't happen.
  • - 1
 @Racer951: What I mean is that their size levels out the field among advertisers. Trek, Giant, Spec, they all pay thousands for commercials. So if you present Spec, hey send us Stumpy Comp and Stumpy S-Works, you are not offending them. They may or may not want to do it. If they say no, you can take 2 bikes anyways by borrowing them in Vancouver/Squamish area and just cover the logos. Everyone knows this is Stumpy Comp and Stumpy S-Works but it is not mentioned. I know that you know that I know but we are not saying anything even if they say it to our face. Would Spec pull out from advertising on Pinkbike for such feat? With such a big audience (Pinkbike is biggest, please remember that) it would be quite stupid to let the pride take over and allow Trek, Scott and others fk around.

Small site can do it to someone who is not their advertiser, but would definitely burn a bridge whereas Pinkbike gets lots of views, to compensate for a lowered check from Spec. In negotiations process Spec could say: oh you did that "test" where you made our S-Works look stupid, so no, we pay you this and that.

Simply put, Pinkbike is so big, that it can negotiate stuff on their own terms. If cheapest bike vs most expensive bike gets them sht loads of views? Also, please realize, we are fkng stupid on many levels, if by the end of the test you add a few words that S-Works looks and feels better, it's all leveld out. A few trolls calling them out on it won't change anything. people willing to spend cash on S-Works will still listen to this story about beauty and feel, not to "peasants". That would also ignore the fact that expensive bikes creates sense of exclusivity, "so sorry, but go fk yourself with your pro setting similar times, I like nice things!" You can twist it all as much as you like. It's Public Relations baby, a word coined by Eddie Bernays to replace Propaganda. You can have a cookie and eat it.
  • + 12
 Quiet day at the office then WAKI?!
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: that's a huge reply made to still miss the point I made that this could only work when people with no financial ties to the product did the reviewing.

You are also focusing on the specialized v specialized thing for some reason? I had a test of a $7k bike V a $4k bike in mind - something actually interesting, not some inter brand garbage.

You have your opinions, that's fine. I don't agree with you though.
  • + 0
 @Racer951: 1. I don't need you to agree with me 2.I gave an example of Spec, I may as well have used Trek Remedy 7 against Remedy 9.9. Well if you want to compare a 4k bike against a 10k you pretty much see it every World Cup race with Gwin vs Minnaar... also EVERYONE will tell you that if you take 3K Jeffsy and a 10k Hightower Enve build. it will not be a fair comparison.

Dirt has underlined it many times, finding a cheaper bike and saying it's equal or better than most super bikes. They have a sweet tooth for YT. They even went to Spain to test UNNO 130 bike, came back tested a comparable shed welded Starling and said it is better. If Dirt can do it, so can Pinkbike. Pinkbike is a power to be reckoned with. A mild and gentle one, but still... you just don't walk away from them, at least not unless you have a back up of German sites/ mags which are into your Ebikes or fireroad cruisers
  • - 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I can't make a lot of sense of any of that Waki, your sill missing my point too. Will leave it there.
  • + 50
 Star on a reasonably priced bike...
  • + 6
 This would be great! If sponsors would allow it
  • + 3
 This is a great idea! This bike seems a bit too capable though...
  • + 2
 haha would love to see this
  • + 1
 On the old dirt 1:04
  • + 25
 Ahh, Deore brakes. Maybe the best product Shimano makes? $50 gets you a really good braking system, and if you put in metal pads they become a great braking system. I've ridden a few bikes that don't belong to me with XTR brakes, and honestly there's no difference in power, modulation and overall feel between those things and the Deores on my rig.
  • + 7
 YES. I'm always banging on about Shimano's cheaper brakes to anyone that will listen, about how they are mechanically identical to XTRs in the important ways. The last set of 2014 SLXes I had were probably overall the best and most reliable brakes I ever had, and were certainly the cheapest
  • + 1
 Agreed, Deore as amazing. Prefer them over XT 8000s. I miss 2010 Saints though...
  • + 1
 +1 deore, if you need more power (for more money) go for zee/mt5
  • - 5
flag romkaind (Aug 14, 2017 at 5:57) (Below Threshold)
 Yup all Shimano brakes are quite the same. They all work in on/off way and brake with no modulation. It's allways to less braking when trying to modulate or just block and drift if you push them good.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: You're getting neg props, but i'm with you. The M8000's have such a weird feel to them, almost like you're flicking a switch to get to the bite point
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: Thats what i'm saying click and it blocked, if you are light than good luck with braking in the loose and slippery conditions...
  • + 2
 @Franziskaner: I have some XT 7000 series from 2014. I will say the exact same thing. It's been over 3 years with perfect everything and I will never part with them. The OEM Deore set on my girlfriends 2002 Enduro are still beast, I put new pads and new SLX rotors on them this year and they are even more impressive!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I just 'upgraded' to some M8000s, and I'm not a fan. The front feels okay - not as good as my old SLX but not terrible - but the back feels awful, rubbery & imprecise. I might have made a mistake in bedding it in, but I've never had these problems with others.
I think I'm going to go back to the older design M675 or M785s.
  • + 1
 @Franziskaner: mine are powerful, modulation is decent but they need bleeding like once per month. And bleeding procedure with latest Shimanos is not exactly as easy as it used to be. First 4-pot Saints were fricking ace. I am getting slightly tempted to try Hope M4... but I just don't believe there is a system that is as great as owners claim it to be. And Hope owners are like fkng vegans who do crossfit... I personally have mixed feelings, after having their pedals, cranks and hubs.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Did your M8000s take a lot of bedding in, or were they powerful right from the start? Maybe I should give mine more time. They are still pretty new.
Yes Hope hubs are very good, and I have some F20 pedals which I like so far, but I recently sold some Tech 3 X2s cos they felt wooden. My M8000s were bought to replace them. I'm not doing so great in the braking dept lately
  • + 2
 @Franziskaner: it was the other way around. They were powerful with little modulation. so they felt too powerful. not as bad as Formula R1s that i owned at some point, but not really inspiring confidence in wet. In time XTs got better modulated though, now I would give them 9/10 for feel and power but first 4-pot Saints had 10/10. the issue I learned with all the brakes though is that there are just good and bad batches regardless of the make and model. If your brakes are ok and almost 2 years old, sell them. If you have them for 3 years and they haven't broke down. Keep them forever Big Grin

And Hopes, yes, all Hopes I tried on other people's bikes were woody. And a bit... tinny. A bit like that MOnthy Python sketch...
  • + 12
 Nice to see a notmal bike getting tested but Im not against front mech at all and you dont need a longer chain with one. Actually if you have to face real hills and use a 46 or bigger 1x thats when you need a longer chain
  • + 10
 Pinkbike where are reviews for:

Rock Shock Sektor Gold, Yari
Suntour Auron pcs
Marzocchi 350 cr
Suntour Duair
RST Titan
should I go on?
BIG shame on you .... affordable stuff not for this site or you didn't get paid for review?
  • - 26
flag gkeele (Aug 14, 2017 at 4:45) (Below Threshold)
 English, motherfucker.
  • + 11
 @gkeele: let me guess, you voted for brexit?
  • + 9
 They forgot to mention how the bike was left alone for a few months and the frame hadn't been fatigue tested during development, all linkages are fucked, bearings need swapped out after every couple rides, the front mech is literally impossible to index being a two speed mech on a 3 speed shifter, rear shock bolts being wrong diameter from the factory, and seat tube linkages snapping clean off... Before the wave of neg props hit, hear me out. As head of the cycling dept at a GoOutdoors branch, I've experienced all this. As a cytech 3 mechanic it's a nightmare to work on.
  • + 2
 Are you referring to this v2? But in any case, thanks-this is just the information I come here for!
  • + 0
 @Braindrain: The only difference between the V1 and the V2, is a slightly differing front triangle and a new seat tube mounted link, the V1 had this link welded half on half off the tube leaving it incredibly weak, although slightly stiffer the V2 has in some cases suffered the same fate under less load than you'd expect a snappage, even for a full build of £1000
  • + 5
 Gets fired in 3, 2, 1.......
  • + 2
 @deadmeat25: Meant to write in my initial comment "ex head of cycling department" I left because it's degrading to any cyclist to work there. Couldn't even order replacement parts.
  • + 1
 My first guess is confirmed then - the bike does look suspiciosly similar to my old Commencal VIP-Supreme 2008-2009 something, which I destroyed in 1 season. You cannot assemble a reliable bycicle for 1000 american or european money in the modern world, unfortunately.
  • + 7
 Hi All, i'm the designer - i'd like to defend the above claims a little (but everyone is allowed their opinion). The bike is fully tested to ISO tests for mountain bikes, the original prototype is still being ridden by myself (15 stone of me!) and is fine. linkage bearings are fine also, some people insist on jet washing them, but we've sold now over 5,000 units of this bike and as I deal with all the warranty then I can tell you the above claim would cripple me so its not true!

FD not setting up properly? you seem to be the only one again with this issue, as this would be raised in every one of the reviews surely?

yep rear shock bolts were wrong on around 50 bikes - whoops these things happen, we fixed it - end of.

Cheers,
Mike
  • + 1
 @mikesanderson: I seem to be the only one with the FD alignment issue? I disagree, I was part of the refit project which Go undwerwent last year and each store I had come across, had a range of Bossnuts "PDI'd and ready for collection" that were in no condition to ride. This was highlighed as a component that the staff really struggled with. And with regard to being in review, no, they weren't. A number of reviews highlighted the linkage failure instead.

We in fact have met Mike, at the product release in Doncaster Racecourse in autumn of 2015, you were reluctant to answer any of my questions then too because I vividly remember questioning the linkage placement on the V1 and you blatantly ignored it. On that particular bike, though not a design floor, the front wheel bearing cones were no where near tight and neither was the rear shock so more of a quality control issue. I could be writing out of bad blood between myself and the franchise, I understand the target market and don't get me wrong, high spec for the price. Few quality control issues here and there but why wouldn't anyone go for an established brand second hand for the same price?
  • + 1
 @freerideglory: i'm sorry I ignored you, it was in no way intentional, these events are incredibly busy, over 1,000 people per day! - would you be willing to travel to Sheffield (i'll pay) to show you the product development we do, go out for a ride on the bikes etc.

i'm very confident i can show you that your issues are not founded in any fact.

Cheers,
Mike’
  • + 1
 @mikesanderson: Hi Mike, thank you very much for the offer.

I believe the issue may not be in the design of the bike, however in perhaps quality control. A number of bossnuts were received in the Penrith store after I left and as such were sold to customers in a condition unsafe to ride. Linkages needing tightened up, brakes needing bleeding and such. Do you feel that any of the issues with linkages snapping and such may be because of the bikes being incorrectly PDI'd? I mean, if the linkage isn't tight enough then there's unnecessary strain, but isn't this something that should be done at the factory? Assembly line torque checks and things like that? Or does this lie with the in store staff and the level of training received not sufficient? Like I say, I'm probably speaking out of bad blood with GoOutdoors as on the refit project I was paid, due to age, significantly less than others for doing the same, if not better job.

Again I appreciate the target audience, I'm a downhill rider through and through, my next bike will, don't get me wrong, be an all mountain bike as they're more versatile of course. However again, it will likely be second hand higher spec because I feel confident that the bike would be up to the punishment.

Cheers, Joe
  • + 4
 @freerideglory: So you were head of the cycling dept, and Cytech trained, and you knowingly let customers leave the store with bikes that weren't PDI'd properly? Despite any QC problems that may have annoyed you, it's your responsibility to check, adjust and tighten everything before they leave the store, if you were head of the department, you should have been checking the work of the other mechanics, especially if you had doubts about their competence. I'm waaaaay more concerned about your attitude and conduct than i am about a few QC niggles Calibre may have, and you could have just let them know about these problems at the time.

This whole thing highlights exactly what we all know is wrong with buying a bike from major stores like Go Outdooors, Halfords, Toys R Us etc, no matter if the bike is good or bad, it should leave the shop in a roadworthy condition, all bikes from the cheap ones to expensive the ones come in a box, and need to be built and checked properly, and you state that you knowingly let bikes leave the store with loose linkages, why didn't you just tighten them? Because you weren't getting paid enough? Shame on you man.
  • + 1
 @deadmeat25: thanks for your reply, the Bossnut hadn't reached my store until after I had left, while I was on the reforming project and came across the issues with the bossnut I was sure to lease with the in store staff on best practice with regard to a full safety check as there is more to work on than a basic 27point PDI on a higher spec bike as you can appreciate they are more highly strung so everything needs to be just right. Any problems with the bossnut were also relayed back to the project manager at the time and I believe forwarded to Mike for assessment.

Any bike that left my own department I made sure was safe, if my staff couldn't get them to this standard, the bike would receive a full service by myself to make sure there were no problems. My point in my earlier comment is that the GoOutdoors staff are not suitably trained to work on such bikes
  • + 1
 @deadmeat25: edit; I never mentioned that I allowed bikes out in an unroadworthy condition, the bossnut reached my store after I had left, and upon visiting the store again, the bikes "pdi ready" were unroadworthy, not at my hand, but by whoever was there after I had gone. I left because of pay and I had a house and family to pay for, on minimum wage isn't possible. Regardless of pay, I made sure that every bike leaving the department while I was in charge, was road worthy
  • + 1
 @freerideglory: yes, minimum wage for the staff doing pdi and I guess just the most basic training. I firmly believe that any bike, regardless of price is only as good as it is put together. The only bike I bought new recently was for my daughter from evans cycles, I went over the bike myself before she rode it any distance and found the rear qr loose and the front hub cones far too tight. It can happen, of course, but a brand new bike from the shop is expected to be perfect. I've also experience of a child's bike from Halfords, where every nut and bolt were far too tight from new, evidenced by the massive scoring on the hub cones on a bike with very liitle use and it was a pain to take apart. I'm guessing in this instance the priority is that nothing comes loose or starts wobbling so there is no likely come back on the shop.

It's a big shame in my mind, as many children and adults are on bikes bought from Halfords, increasingly go outdoors too I expect, sports direct, toysrus etc..., they will have a much better time if they are put together properly.

I suppose it's a lottery in some ways, as some employees like yourself, will have the knowledge and pride to go beyond what is expected of them but others will just perform at the level that is expected of them or just below as long as they get away with it.

So to summerise, the bike might be good value, but if the staff delivering it to you do not have the skill/knowledge/time/inclination then it could be a false economy.
  • + 1
 @Braindrain: This is exactly what my point, and the staff operating under me, earning a living wage instead of minimum, who's product I had to re-pdi to a level I'd feel comfortable riding, and as a downhill rider I wouldn't let a bike out unless I'd be happy riding it for purpose. Hence my bad blood with the company and hence my departure.
  • + 1
 @freerideglory: As a current head of a Go Outdoors Cycling department myself and Bossnut Rider !! I am pretty sure one of your responsibilities would have been to make sure your colleagues are fully confident in PDI' ing any bike sold.
  • + 0
 @Milhouse1050: nope, my responsibility was to make sure every bike goes out safe, hence having to re do every bike sold and pdi'd by anyone other than myself. With regard to staff training, that responsibility lies with the store manager. All I could do was carry the messages, and multiple times I had told him that the staff were under qualified and the company wouldn't do anything.
  • + 12
 Absolutely great to see a cheaper bike reviewed, should happen more often!
  • + 7
 Whether you like the bike or not, it's about time that even cheaper bikes come with decent geometry and solid spec with no major shortcomings. There's very little excuse these days for skinny bars and steep head angles no matter what your budget is.
  • + 7
 Reviewer wants this bike to be a different bike. Chose the XL and complained about the seat tube length, put on a short stem, and slammed the saddle forward. Rants about how the tires should be a heavier casing. Complains that the 2x drivetrain is worthless and budget 1x has plenty of range for a newbie (but he's been building bikes since he was 11).

Summary- this is not a good choice for a 30 year old dirt jumper. Duhh.
  • + 4
 I wonder about reviewer also. Judging from slammed and downturned saddle--though this was explained as injury-related in another review, if I recall correctly--Large would be a better size. Not fair to describe tire swap as a rant, as he also says good things about the stock tires. Would prefer to read his review of a $1300 Ragley Piglet in Large--2.6" tires and flat pedals.
  • + 0
 Basically @paulaston is the Guy Goma of MTB, separated only by the fact that Pinkbike were so impressed with his ability to bullshit that they kept him on anyway.
  • + 11
 XL looks like a barn door
  • + 10
 'wearing' more than what the bike cost? What sort of clothes do you wear?
  • + 5
 Helmet: 300€, shorts: 100€, shoes: 150€, pinkbike socks: 25€, padded underwear: 60€, jersey: 80€, glasses: 90€, close enough.
  • + 10
 I thought g-strings were cheaper because there is less fabric ?
  • + 4
 @brodoyouevenbike: And don't forget you need three of everything ;-)
  • + 7
 @brodoyouevenbike: Plus backpack at €200, pads at €150 and jacket at €200 and you are more than there.
  • + 4
 I guess he's quoting RRPs and wearing DH kit?

Agree that most people don't wear £1k of stuff...it adds up though, something like this isn't unusual to see and gets you there:

Shoes £100
Shorts £80
Top £40
Helmet £300
Goggles £40
Knee+Elbow Pads £120
Body armour £160
Neck brace £200
  • + 1
 @Altron: Strewth, I guess you're right, doesnt feel like youre wearing £1k worth of clothes though
  • + 2
 @Altron: Your LBS loves it when you walk in ! Lol
  • + 8
 Should be called No Nuts because your seat or the top tube are solely focused on neutering you at first opportunity
  • + 2
 Top tube does look high.
  • + 2
 Bossnut? More like Crushnut, amiright?
  • + 2
 As one barrier comes down another is raised.
  • + 7
 I see the merit in reviewing the higher end bikes, but these reviews are appreciated too. Keep it up PB!
  • + 3
 "It's a tough job (sob sob) for us tech editors at Pinkbike to test a bike from the lower echelons of the bike world. Normally we are blessed/baited by the most expensive, bling bikes, carbon this and lightweight that, high precision, tuned and ergonomically perfected steeds that in reality, sell low numbers."

Is this why Pinkbike so rarely reviews bikes that a majority of us plebeians can actually afford? It's long been a gripe of mine. Doesn't have to be every cheap ass bike... but maybe once a year review 5 high value (e.g. less thank 2.5k or so) bikes on the market shootout style.

Thanks for doing this review, it's great to see something that should fall within everyone's budget talked about. Seems like a great bike for someone looking to make that first jump into a full suspension bike. The nice part is, too, that they should be able to see this pretty dang cheap in the buy-sell section to other less cash flush riders. The upgrades are easy and very obtainable. I hope more companies get behind these kinds of bikes, so we can help grow our sport that much more readily. Bikes like this can keep people progressing and active in the MTB community while they save up for that 3k next bike.
  • + 3
 Are those deore brakes like slx but without the tool free reach adjust? Trying to understand​ the new line... I bought slx for 90€ before, now deore is that price and slx is 135€.

About the bike : definitely good price and appropriate component, except that seat tube is a deal breaker for me... 190cm and 50cm+dropper is something I don't want to exceed. I can't ride if I don't slam the saddle, and that's true for all beginners.
  • + 1
 Not completely sure about the 2017 range but I know when I bought my xt brakes in 2015 the differences between deore, slx, xt, xtr included the pad material, fined pads, split pin changed to bolt to hold the pads in, reach adjuster changed from grub screw to nob, bitting point adjuster and a bit of bling and weight factor.
  • + 2
 Difference between Deore and SLX, as well as the tool-free reach adjust:

Ceramic pistons on the SLXs

SLX has a screw-in pad retaining bolt instead of the split pin thing

Banjo bolt connection to the caliper

SLX branding on the lever and caliper Wink

Having owned both, I couldn't pick them apart. But the Deore calipers failed after about one year with the pistons getting sticky. This could be down to poor maintenance but I get in there with a toothbrush semi-regularly. The SLXs have been fine since day one in 2015.
  • + 2
 @gkeele: I already had those ceramic pistons from my XT shattered in million pieces but warranty solved it ...
  • + 5
 "...blessed with a 45mm stem, which is ideal for mountain biking." What? Who says that? I run 45mm and 50mm on my bikes. But who says that 45mm is the "ideal"?
  • + 4
 The review is aimed at people who don't spend 3k on bikes, and don't follow the latest trends. I think it's a good way to sum it up : a stem around 45mm is appropriate, as in "for those who don't know what's a nice length for a stem, I'm telling you : 45mm is ideal."
For the bike's intention it makes sense, no?
  • + 3
 @Uuno: it really annoys me when people (media, bike marketing, advertisers etc) allways assume a price point relates to someone's ability, or knowledge of what they are looking for. I would like to guess that (in the uk at least) there are more clueless idiots who can/will drop 3k on a bike than there are passionate/enthusiastic riders who know what they are looking for and value for money is their top priority.
  • + 2
 Just bought a dropper post for my boss nut off the back of this review it states it’s a 31.6mm but the actual size on the post on the bike is 30.9 mm so mine won’t fit and as I bought it second hand will have to re sell now ???????????????? the info is my right
  • + 2
 Hello everyone. First post, here goes. I'm interested in the V2 but the info I need doesn't seem to come up with my limited google-fu.

Can someone tell me what the maximum rider weight is and if the suspension has a lock out function or some other tech that limits bobbing when commuting to work?

I'm a 19 stone guy so don't wanna kill it. Currently riding a hardtail so this would be my first full susser and don't have room for two bikes. Thanks in advance.
  • + 2
 For f's sake, stop speccing doubles and triple chainrings on mountain bikes already!! I've never understood why they keep doing this on budget and kids bikes... those are precisely the target of people who need the front derailleur LEAST of all. most beginners don't use them properly, they're heavy and a pain in the ass to maintain. Why single them out on the trail by foisting this outdated thing that nobody else uses anymore? I'm pretty sure any kid would rather have a 1x and play with the big boys than be shamed on the trail with a front derailleur. Do manufacturers get some kind of financial incentive to crappify their bikes with them or what??
  • + 3
 For sure I only know partly how it's in Germany, but here most cheaper bikes are beginner oriented (and an experienced mountain biker would not want a Sektor). Beginners would start Mtb with "tours" e.g. some landscape, fireroads, easy singletrails, without much elevation. Like when you Google "beginner Mtb trails in area xy" it's 99% that. And for that use the front derailleur makes a lot of sense, you can cruise on smooth roads and not have to spin your legs too fast while still being able to climb most stuff. Personally I love 1x, hate the chains falling off and rattling all the time on more rough trails, but to be honest the first few years the fd has never been a problem for me, because I "liked" the more flowy xc stuff anyways due to lack of skill. And with cheap 42t cassettes you don't even save weight over 2 by systems. I don't want to bash 1x because I love it, but it totally depends on the customer and the intent of what terrain to ride on, but in the end its easier to get rid of 1 ring then to mount a fd on a bike.
  • + 1
 You dont like the extra lever you have with a front derailluer but you would add weight and complexity with a dropper post?
Chain falls off?
Put a chain gaurd on.
No more teeth to poke you either.
Eagle has a 50 tooth rear.
I believe you get a lower gear using a 24 36 spread.
Perfect bike for beginners.
Easy to upgrade parts as you progress.
Bout 2000$ canadian.
  • + 2
 It was time to see something you can buy and have some fun without selling a kidney, and it's good to see someone admitting that the price difference doesn't necessarily increase fun factor!
  • + 1
 so after my co workers wrap their head around the fact that my bicycle cost more than $500 and i tell them no you really cant get something worth riding for $300 - $500. I can suggest this bike. perfect for entry level riders
  • + 4
 I'm curious as to why they went for a single pivot when Horst link was an option. Other than that, solid bike for the price.
  • + 7
 horst would be more expensive. Keep it cheap they said.
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 @ColquhounerHooner: Cheap and simple is often best for low RRP, if you saw cheap and complex I'd stay away.
  • + 2
 Maintain one pivot or maintain a horst of them! Look at Orange.
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 @gkeele: The only difference is literally if the dropouts are welded to the chainstays (single pivot) or seatstays (Horst). Can't make a difference to manufacturing cost..
  • + 1
 It's not the latest geometry and the height of the TT might offend, but honestly, johnny punter just wants a one grand bike that he can ride with the kids a few times a year and it'll still not be rusty two year down the line. this looks like fine value for money.
  • + 1
 O have owned this bike for three months now and done a fair bit of riding on it. I am not a beginner rider but Ive always ridden hard tail and wanted to try out a full sus bike without forking out £3k on a trail bike.

I can honestly say this bike its definitely worth the £900 I paid for it with the gogoutdoors card and a quidco discount.

There have been some niggles.

I find it creaks alot. I have tightened up the linkage bolts and that seemed to fix the issue but now the headset has started.
I had to build the bike myself as it got posted to me. It was meant to be built already but half the bolts were not torqued correctly.

To be honest this isnt a bad mark in my book. Its a mail order bike, I expect assembly to be honest.
Unfortunately the bike wasnt packed well and there was some damage to the droppouts where the wheel hadhit it but I told gooutdooors and they gave me £50 off to buy paint repairs. So all good there.

I went to a 1x setup as well as 2x makes no sense to me.
New pedals as the ones they come with arent very grippy at all
The tyres are great fun and well set up for UK riding. I find the beeline brilliant fun but do lack grip on steep muddy climbs.
The front Ive had no issed with on tight wet berms or steep climbs. A very grippy tyre
They are pretty weak on puncture protection mind

Riding:

The bike is no spring chicken on climbs, at 14.5kg its heavier than my 12kg marin rocky ridge ive been used to for 6 years but for under a grand its not terrible. (Ive ridden a £3k bike that climbed worse)
The bike really comes into its own on steep downhills and trail centre singletrack. Its poised, balanced and I find the 130mm travel more than adequate for the riding I do (Trail centre and XC with some downhill and small jumps) Which is exactly what this bike is built for so a great nod to callibre for achieving this at such a low price.

I find the brakes are amazing for the price!

All in all I would definately recommend this bike to anyone. Even a veteran rider not just a beginner mountain biker (maybe not a pro racer or downhill freeride rider but..... The fact you can buy this bike for under a grand and have a fully capable trail bike is insane. With your leftover money you could get the upgrades and another bike for XC or road riding and still have change. .... That speaks volumes it me!
  • + 1
 it is a good deal, but for the same price, with some time looking, you could find a similarly priced sled from 2 or 3 years ago that will hold its resale value significantly better.
  • + 0
 This is awesome! We need more bikes like this to get people into the sport. We also need more direct sales. What we don't need is businesses with prehistoric retail sales models and physical storefronts dictating that we spend thousands on this kind of bike. Local bike shops will always be around, but I will never buy a bike at one again as long as I live. Or a single part.
  • + 4
 We need more bikes like this!
  • + 1
 I'd be interested to hear some more info on the performance of the frame: suspension platform, geo etc. a that is likely to be the part that stays as you upgrade this bike over time.
  • + 1
 I lol'd at the slightly off-topic front derailleur rant, exactly how I feel. As much as it looks a good bike, I can't help but hate it. It's another nail in the coffin for the LBS.
  • + 0
 If you want to keep your chain from bouncing off your triple may I suggest the Bionicon C-Guide as a simple and effective retaining device. Triple is still a great option for a lot of folk
  • + 1
 Affordable proper geometry full suspension bike? I'm still looking forwards to a PB review of the Focus Vice. It even gets you a properly low top tube.
  • + 3
 BANG ON bike of the year pound for pound
  • + 2
 Nice pair of UK made Nano-x pedals on there ;o)

Not Everyone needs a £5000+ Ego Chariot....

Superstar Components
  • + 1
 BOSSNUT - with a name like that, success is not likely. bustanut is better.
  • + 2
 looks like Polygon Recon 2015
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 Good spot. The rear triangle is literally an identical design, down to the joints, welds, pivot locations, etc. That would explain how they managed to get relatively decent kit on a cheap bike - save on the frame
  • + 2
 sounds too close to buss nut
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 I'm so glad I'm not tall simply because all large bikes look s@t
  • + 1
 Sweet price. That tt is sky high though. I'm going to make a bike , call it the reverse "tuna sub"
  • + 1
 My nuts hurt just looking at that top tube.
  • + 1
 Looks like a 2009 commençal dh .. awful
  • + 1
 In that second riding photo, are you climbing up "Family"?!
  • + 1
 Wouldn't 1x be cheaper?
  • + 1
 I would have thought so, all it needs is a nw and a sunrace 11-42 cassette and you are away. I believe the cassette it comes with is a sunrace 11-36 anyway, can't imagine that the 11-42 would be that much more expensive bulk.
  • + 0
 Is pinkbike reviewing Walmart bikes now Eek
  • + 0
 Not for short people
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 XL frames usually aren't...
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 "FSR".
  • + 4
 Are you trying to say that they should have used the increased benefits of Horst link suspension setup at this price range now that it doesn't require a license? Your concise and articulate thesis on technological economics is as work of genius.
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