Interview: Cam Zink Brings YT to North America

Mar 5, 2015
by Danielle Baker  
YT riders

bigquotesThis in no way, shape, or form will be my notice of resignation from riding, or even slowing down, it's the formal announcement that mountain biking in North America is about to change.

Cam Zink is a busy guy. Hands on and head deep in Sensus, chasing around a toddler, and continually progressing his riding - and breaking world records - it should have been obvious to everyone that he would take on yet another challenge. While on the road Cam took the time to talk to us about his new venture bringing YT Industries to North America, what it means for the industry, and how he sees the future.


After announcing your move to ride for YT Industries last year, what has your experience with the brand been?
When I was given the opportunity to ride for YT Industries last year I thought that it was about as good as it gets. After all the bad experiences with bike brands over the years I have finally found my home. It is a company unlike any other and they just so happen to be making the best bikes on the planet. Righteous.

What is the next step in your relationship with YT Industries?
Every YT Industries bike sold in North America will come directly from our offices in Reno, Nevada and carry a warranty serviceable from the same location.

How did this come about?
It was pretty obvious that they planned on expanding to North America when they hired me to ride for them. YT is a consumer direct bike brand that can sell their bikes to the customer, sometimes for half of what competitors can because there is no middleman and the savings are passed on directly to the consumer. So with no distributors, expanding would not be as simple as running it through a simple third party distributor. YT's forward thinking found that a franchise model was the best way to expand to North America. YT cares too much about customer service to let the future of their reputation in a new market be uncertain. I think in their earlier years, as a growing company, they struggled keeping the customer service as good as it could be because they expanded so fast. Now it is their top priority; they needed to expand with franchisees whom see customer service as the top priority, as well.

When the opportunity struck, I made sure it was my brother and I who were the ones to bring YT to the biggest market in the world.

Cam Zink s three off his massive drop.

How does this new endeavour align with Sensus?
When I started Sensus, it was a pretty big stepping-stone. I wasn’t just thinking ahead to financial security for after my riding career. It was a creative outlet and somewhere that I really thought I could make a difference. When I was a little kid I was always drawing logos for imaginary brands and really looked up to my dad, who was an entrepreneur. I’ve always really loved cool brands whether they were lucrative or not. I never imagined owning a component company (or a bike franchise), as I didn’t have the expertise, but I was always particular about my grips and felt like I could make a better grip than anything on the market. It is obviously subjective, but I made my dream grip, and there are a ton of people who won’t ride anything else after riding Sensus Grips.

Beyond the product, I love having full control over marketing and ad creation, it’s not about whether or not they are approved by focus groups, an ad agency or anyone else in the company, it’s about whether or not they’re cool. Sensus hasn’t made much money, but it hasn’t lost money. The way I look at it, it was putting myself through business school without racking up the debt. And because of this experience YT took me seriously when I approached Markus (The YT CEO) about buying a North American franchise of the incredible brand they have built and put their lives into.

Cam Zink World Record Backflip

How do you feel that your career as a professional athlete has prepared you to take on this venture?
Being a professional mountain biker for over 12 years has shown me a lot of inspiring things and has grown me as a person exponentially. I have met a lot of brilliant business minds that I would have never had the chance to meet had I not ridden for their company or the company they represent. They inspire me and open up a world of opportunity to bring out my Dad's entrepreneurship that is buried inside me somewhere. The way I have ridden my bike since I was a kid is a full commitment strategy that had helped me with everything I have done. Committing to a plan and not giving up is key in business just as it is in riding. There is no way to be 100% sure about succeeding, but the only way to be 100% sure to fail is to half ass it. We are going into this new market for YT full throttle.

What does this announcement mean for your riding career?
This in no way shape or form will be my resignation from riding, or even slowing down; it's the formal announcement that mountain biking in North America is about to change.

Cam Zink World Record Backflip

How are you managing to balance work, riding, and family?
It could easily be perceived as a new chapter in my life, but the majority of things people know of my riding career was done when I was also single handedly running Sensus. It’s not a new chapter; It’s more like reading a couple different books at the same time. I’m not moving on from anything, I guess I just have to get up earlier. I am the type of person who needs to be doing something all the time, even though having so much on my plate can be stressful, I need to be busy to be productive. I’m not interested in doing anything half-assed; I feel like a better rider every day, I’m still progressing every time out and my companies continue to grow. It just takes more time. I just have less free time to play video games, watch TV or do other stuff that really isn’t very important in the first place. Spending any free time with my daughter is the best anyway.

What is it about the YT Industries that you appreciate the most?
The V4L linkage design was born at YT, and designed by Stefan Willard, an engineer with many endeavours on his resume including designing Mercedes AMG chassis; a man who cares about mountain bikes nearly as much as air. Outside the box thinking, without a bureaucratic atmosphere to limit it's greatness, or any of their amazing advancements for that matter. Everything they do is for the purpose of creating the greatest mountain bikes on the planet at the lowest price, yet focusing on promoting neither. The purpose of the best bike is to offer the best experience possible, and the price is to offer it to as many people as possible. The extremely low leverage ratio and high progression curve allows me to ride a 300 lb spring at Rampage and still ride normal DH trails on the same set up. The long stroke of all YT bikes also makes the shock much more tunable. Our Tues has captured many awards and the new YT Capra has Enduro Bike of the Year wrapped up by many medias of the world and traditionally costs 60% less than inferior competitors it has beat in tests. That just means “Good Times” for less cash.

YT TUES CF 2015
  Photo: Ale Di Lullo

What differences do you see between YT Industries and other bike brands?
Every sport, even surfing, has brands with politics and a façade of a cool, core and nonchalant image. Many companies spend a lot of money and effort to appear that they don't have money, that they are authentic while hiring the cool kids to run their campaigns. Most are trying to copy authenticity. With enough money, even without integrity, brands can get you to believe pretty much anything. But there is still authenticity in this world and brands that are real- real, living breathing brands that wreak of a bitchin’ sense of what they are about, ran by people that also live and breath the brand. YT represents living an amazing life filled with good times. Our customers use their bikes as a catalyst for good times, not just World Cup or Rampage wins. Passion is the most important ingredient to anything great. It is with passion that work feels like play and great ideas are grown; not made up.

Big companies often become complacent with minimal innovation and progression that comes from a bureaucratic way of doing business when the majority of time, money and effort is spent on fooling the people and cheating the system. The efforts main focus can't be just running the business nor doing so from the outside in with the outdated traditional models of business. A bike brand will flourish when motivated and passionate people are given an opportunity to create. The brand is built from the inside, with heart and creates it's own beating heart. When the brand builds steam, gains valuable budgets, it is more important than ever to stay true to its roots and values. The greatest leaps in innovation come from a brand with money to fund the amazing ideas from the amazing people that are the brand. It all goes to shit if you think you are too powerful to take shit from anyone; shit keeps us humble and we encourage people to give us shit to help make us better.

Cam Zink 360

Why do you think the consumer direct sales model is good for our industry?
Mountain biking needs professional quality bikes at entry-level prices and the top end bicycles can't be the same price as a top-level motorcycle, and especially not $13,000.

It's like a divine intervention of the industry, checking and balancing it, not just on the financial level; YT brings the image and marketing that no American bike brand is brave enough to promote along with a ridiculous list of achievements including Dirt Magazine's DH Bike of the Year, two years running, and Dirt's current Enduro Bike of the Year. The Capra has scored a perfect 5 out of 5 or 10 out of 10 in every test I have seen. It’s pretty remarkable.

What challenges do you anticipate facing with the introduction of the direct to consumer mountain bike sales model?
A lot of people, even some consumers, will be pissed off that bikes will be sold for a fraction of the price. We all take part in e-commerce. It is taking over because it is the most efficient and economical way; it is the future. It’s not unlike how Tesla is pissing off the world by selling their cars directly online and all the while literally breaking the machines that the department of road uses for safety tests. They are selling a better car at a better price, directly to you.

What effect do you think direct to consumer sales will have on our bike shops and jobs in our industry?
I know this is a touchy subject and there are pros and cons to everything. There are a lot of really cool shops out there and good shops will continue to flourish as they cater to the specific needs of customers in their area. It just doesn’t make sense when a shop doesn’t stock the bike that you want and they, plus the distributor take their cut while you wait weeks for your bike because they only stock recreational bikes.

Aside from a much lower cost, the most advantageous piece of the puzzle is being one or two steps closer to the customer and their concerns. If you have a bad shop that sells your bikes they have the capability to tarnish your brand and reputation. As I said, there are many bike shops that do it right, but I have been racing Mountain Bikes since I was nine and have been talked down to so many times for asking something like,”Do you have any 1.5 inch headsets in stock?”
“pffff, there is no such thing as a 1.5 inch headset” We need to provide good customer service. The customer is always right and even when you think they are wrong you don’t need treat them like a dickhead.

People are often waiting six or seven months for repairs or are given misinformation by people who don’t know the products well enough. I know we can be better than the shop experience I have had over the years and cater to the needs of our customers.

However, there are some pretty amazing shops that are the backbone of what Mountain Biking is and should be. We plan to work with the best shops in North America and set up YT service centers in the future. There are a few in the works already.

Zink Lacondeguy and Semenuk on the podium at RedBull Rampage 2014.

How do you plan to get bikes to people that may not know of YT in North America or are skeptical of the quality and ride of the bikes?
We plan to have a demo tour, it will be small for the next few months, as we are a new company, but it will grow fast and blow people’s minds. Sensus “Sorry for Partying Pilsner” beer on tap, Coldcock Whiskey and a big party wherever we go. We will have some bikes roaming around this year at Sea Otter including a special SRAM build with a custom Troy Lee paintjob that will be a work of art. We just have to get creative on a shoestring budget, utilize all my friends and relationships in the industry. We will mostly focus on cool smaller festivals like Spring Thaw in Oregon, but make an impression wherever we go. Eventually we plan to have rigs all over the country – we want people to be able to try the bikes so that they understand they are not just cheaper versions of other brands but are a better brand. Once people have the bikes in their hands, like Sensus grips, they won’t want to ride anything else.

Thanks for everyone that has supported me over the years and all the people who enjoy watching me ride my bike and hear what I have to say!


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276 Comments

  • 138 1
 As much as I want a Tues, I like the fact that even if I don't buy one, they'll be putting pressure on other manufacturers to keep their prices in check.

I can understand top of the line bikes for $6000... but some of these bikes approaching or even surpassing $10k is pretty ridiculous. You can get AMA ready to race supersports for only a little more.
  • 59 6
 But bro, they got like carbon and sram. It makes complete sense. After checking out their site, I've come to the conclusion that the Tues AL is the sexiest build of all time.
  • 6 2
 I am going to start with an AL capra then move on to the CF tues please!!! let me know where to give my money and an ETA!
  • 54 29
 The level of performance in a $10K mountain bike blows every production MX bike out of the water. For 10K you get the same bike as the best racers in the world.
Try replicating a factory kawi. It will cost you $50K+. You get the top performing mountain bikes in the world for 1/5th the price and all you are missing is the motor.
  • 22 73
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 9:54) (Below Threshold)
 @climbhikeride this is what most ppl dont get! I built up a 2012 sworks demo a couple years ago and put every part I thought was the best for my riding style, and wouldnt break. Although it ended up being 13k. It was well worth it. Being able to ride whistler on a bike you're 100% confident on is an amazing feeling. Especially when you know some wc riders would be jealous hahaha
  • 5 10
flag tomtom80 (Mar 5, 2015 at 10:29) (Below Threshold)
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  • 34 2
 @climbhikeride I'm not disputing that 10k get's you an amazing bike (ignoring all the custom tunes and blackbox stuff the pro's get). But when www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/details.php?model=4582&group=MC&catId=79#tss only $10,000 more.(in some cases).. .You're comparing a 30 lb pedal bike to 440lb litrebike with 200 hp, full electronic Ohlins suspension, Full TCS and stability control systems. And that motorcycle is by far on the more expensive side of things. As I said above, you can get 1 season old AMA superbikes bikes for like $17k.

The material costs alone just don't really add up.

That being said, I'm okay with bikes costing a lot, but some of them are starting to push into ridiculousness. I think a lot of it is frame costs. Frames being $3000 stand alone while you can get complete bikes for $5k is a little ridiculous.
  • 57 7
 @downhilladdict spending 13k on a push bike is just stupid, even if you are a billionaire
  • 42 2
 You can buy a factory level MX'er for $10K. It's called the KTM Redbull factory edition. There's no way in hell a DH bike should cost more than that. I know there's a lot of bike companies and most are boutiques, but why is Specialized charging $10K for their bike? Only 500 KTM FE's are made a year. Mountain biking is becoming way too expensive. I ride both MX and DH and my 2012 KX450 didn't even cost me $6K...
  • 7 27
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 10:38) (Below Threshold)
 Is it? Better than any full bike for 10k imo. Worth it for someone like me who needs a bike that can stay together. Unlike the last 4 bikes ive owned, this one does what its intended to do. worth it if you have a bike park with a lift just 30 mins away from where you live. Trust me, its worth every penny bro
  • 44 1
 I'd love to know what $5000 bikes you're riding that fall apart or that you can't trust staying together if you think you need a 10k bike to do that.
  • 30 1
 Yes, yes, and yes. Factory-direct sales model, best dude in the industry representing them, and some pressure on fat cat manufacturers. This is the beginning of something good!
  • 14 8
 @twelve02 Sorry but you have no idea about KTM MX bikes. The factory SXS fork retails for 3k. The factory SXS shock for 2k8. The factory SXS triple crown is like $500, the absorber linkage as well. So just to get the factory suspension, you have to spend at least 10k in parts without labor. The factory engine package is at least 10k, but you can't get a single one, you have to buy at least twice. Plus there's the factory exhaust, and factory rims and hubs, and tons of other factory parts. Don't believe me? It's all in the KTM Powerparts Catalog, look it up.

To replicate a factory KTM you have to spend at least 30k, except if you're one of the few KTM sponsored prodigies in which case you get the 2 for 1 offer, which is still 30k.

The Redbull edition is just the base bike with Red Bull decals and a couple of orange anodizes parts.
  • 8 12
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 10:51) (Below Threshold)
 Had a 2008 v10. Then a 2010 demo 8 1. I bought the 2010 demo brand new. hoping it would hold up to the abuses of whistler bike park. But constantly having to maintain, replace, or send parts to wherevwr to get fixed. Ends up jut wasting ride time.
  • 5 50
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 10:55) (Below Threshold)
 Tbh, brussel, I ride muh harder than 99% of the guys at the park or probably on this site. I dont expect everyone to understand my dilemas. But when the compression damper in my boxxer would get a hole blown in the side of after a week. Having to get an upgraded fork. Jut a waste of time. Rather just invest big money on a bike that I has the best of the best parts and not have to worry components not only breaking, but actually performing as intended
  • 5 6
 @downhilladdict I don't even know what parts would even add up to 10k. If you wanted something that would last why would you trust carbon haha
  • 12 0
 @ tomtom80 I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I in fact do know about the FE's... It in indeed not the production bike, perhaps you should do a little more reading before assuming what people know...

motocrossactionmag.com/bike-tests/ktm-tests/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-all-new-ktm-factory-edition-iv

This is Ryan Dungey's and Dean Wilson's base bike. Obviously it is heavily modified to suit their needs, but the base 'Factory Edition' is sold to consumers to meet the AMA's homologation rules.

You are stating that you buy a production and add the additions, no, KTM sells a Factory Addition to the public for $10K, look it up smart guy!

I ride a 2010 KTM 450 xc-w Six Days edition in addition to my KX450. Don't tell me about what I know and don't.
  • 2 21
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:00) (Below Threshold)
 Victim of the carbon myth lol. Keep in mind I bought every part somewhat seperated. Dt swiss 1750 wheelset. full saint group. Time pedals. fox 4 dem tires aint cheap. Needed a backup shock for when the one on the bike splodes of course. Add a bunch of parts like handlebars n seats etc and BAM. 13k
  • 14 1
 The business reality of this argument is that if people aren't willing to pay the cost, then it just simply isn't worth it. The market determines what things are worth. If your favorite bike brand is hurting because YT came on the scene, then it's their own fault for neglecting this in their business plan.
  • 4 26
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:02) (Below Threshold)
 Plus the sworks frame alone in like 5k. For about 2k. Wheel set. Was well over 1k
  • 3 27
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:02) (Below Threshold)
 Adds up quik. Plus labour. It keeps goin up!
  • 3 25
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:02) (Below Threshold)
 2k for the fork I meant...
  • 4 23
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03) (Below Threshold)
 Saint group is exp as fuk
  • 4 8
flag tomtom80 (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:07) (Below Threshold)
 @twelve02 Obviously there's some sort of misunderstanding here, probably on my side. With the term "factory edition", I meant the SXS bike the pros ride. Not the base bike which is then heavily modified, no, the very bike the pros ride. The one with all the SXS parts and more.

Again, the bike you mentioned, albeit being called factory edition, is just the base bike with minor mods and a lot of orange bling.
  • 24 1
 @downhilladdict - Not trying to add fuel to the fire. But, I know plenty of guys that ride hard and break sh!t, and the $13k bike is not guarantee for that not to happen. If you look at XX1 and XTR, they are generally twice the price of the more durable and reasonably priced XO1 and XT. Just an example. Expensive racing level parts are meant to be light and be replaced often. Also, buying a bike complete means that the OEM bulk buy discount absorbs some of the markup on the expensive frame. As, "bike" companies are really just frame companies. The savings get passed on to you. So, your approach of building from parts is definitely not the cheapest, likely not the most durable.

I'm sure your bike is pretty sweet. But, is it excessive? Well, I would wager that the CF Tues Pro is just as durable and bad ass as your current bike. Maybe a bit heavier. But, likely you could ride just as hard, have just as much fun, and be just as fast. And it's less than half the price. That's a pretty strong argument for YT right there.

us.yt-industries.com/products/bikes/downhill/240/tues-cf-pro?c=261
  • 16 6
 That stupid discussion again... are you guys complaining to Car&Driver too if they test a Ferrari and not a freaking Camry you might be able to afford?
  • 4 15
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:52) (Below Threshold)
 @mrpink51 youre right. Its no guarantee that it will perform the way I hoped it would when I was spending my life savings haha. I put ALOT of thought into every part I put on that bike. And I dont think its just lucky that the bike performs WAAAYYYY better than my previous bikes. But yeah, if the yt existed in canada at the time I probably would've gotten on the band wagon haha
  • 6 1
 6k US is 7500-8k Cdn for AM bike that I can get a carbon frame xt,co build at my LBS and if I have issues I can get them resolved way before I have to send it to Vegas for a 2-4,6 week turnaround hard to justify,pricing has to be way more competitive to basicly online order.
  • 1 0
 @knarf1 - The biggest issue that I would worry about on an endure rig is the suspension. Not sure if YT has figured this part out. But likely, since the shock / fork is new, your LBS would be shipping to the manufacturer (for major issues) or ordering a part and replacing on a warranty program. They would be doing this even if you purchased the bike from them. I love bike shops, no doubt. But if you're handy, you can likely fix most things yourself, or the LBS can do only the things that you're not comfortable with.

The part that I worry about is the stuff consumers will end up breaking since they don't tighten to torque spec. I've seen triple clamps overtightened which stressed the clamp and weakened the part, headsets overtightened, BB threads stripped, bearings over compressed. I imagine YT is taking care of most of that before the bike arrives. But, if you like to tinker and you're not confident on how to fix it yourself - watch a youtube video or three.
  • 4 0
 I respect that you have the commitment and dedication to the sport to spend 13k but I have one question...why?!

You can get an equally good build from another company for half that (ok it might not be completely custom, but I've found that the top end stuff is pretty similar in performance).

And now you can get a top end build fr 1/4 of that in N America!

Also, how did you manage to spend 13k? I know custom builds cost a lot but did you buy all the kit for the RRP?
I got a full saint groupo (shifter, mech, cranks, brakes and rotors, plus a new chainring and ceramic bearing bb along with an ultegra chain and cassette) for just over £500 or about $850 I believe.
  • 2 14
flag downhilladdict (Mar 5, 2015 at 13:05) (Below Threshold)
 From a bike shop?
  • 2 1
 I don't know how much cost to race AMA but here CEV Moto 2 bikes race ready bikes are not less than 30.000 € (That for a second hand chasis, a brand new suter or kalex is way more expensive) and race a season can cost you 100.000 €.

So AMA supersport sound f*cking cheap for me.
  • 2 0
 Yup. The bb was bought from uberbike (based in the uk and a direct selling company so I'm happy to support) and the rest was all from local bike shops.
  • 5 1
 Why? What if that's what gets him out of bed every day? What if it's the only thing he enjoys? Or....what if your life depended on the equipment you picked? Wouldn't you want to be certain you were safe?

I built my downhill bike the same way when I was younger. I enjoyed more rides because I could worry less.

Someone may spend ridiculous money but only that person will understand the true reasons. And that's ok. It's life.
  • 1 3
 So..... There's this thing we invented called Plastics... And then one day the rail industry combined freight charges with the trucking companies.... ...There's this whole other concept. Called research.....Anyhow, it gives you this free gift called knowledge. Check it out.
  • 5 1
 I think economies of scale could apply to some degree. Motorcycles likely achieve lower price points because they are produced on a larger scale whereas downhill bikes are somewhat of a niche market and likely don't have the production volume to bring down the costs, plus there is a surplus of downhill bike manufacturers which spreads the total industry production even thinner, in comparison to motorcycles which is dominated by a select few manufacturers.
  • 5 0
 My brand new db8 cost me $2600....and it rides great! No reason to spend 10k on a Dh bike. But hey if you want to be able to tell people you have $10k bike then by all means swipe that credit card!! Haha
  • 3 2
 No, honey, I worked for a full year and a half to buy my ride. All cash. None of this buy what you can't pay for crap the kids these days are into. It wasn't about being able to talk about my bike, it was about being able to ride it. Over the roughest courses again and again. When you live in the east and you call Plattekill home you learn very early about product quality and it's relationship to your well being.
  • 3 0
 @stainerdome - Totally agree, but I've gotten the impression people just like to think it's all expensive because the companies are greedy.
  • 5 2
 This downhilladdict guy has got moxy. As long as he rides 26in I'm a fan.
  • 1 1
 How much pressure are they putting on the big companies ? After shipping and currency conversion the trek slash 9.8 costs prett much the same as the equivalent Capra and that is before you get hit with some kind of border duty.
  • 7 2
 After reading these i really question alot of things! First of all, MX vs MTB..really?? your actually comparing the costs?? comparing mx, a massive world wide, hugely televised, massive sponsorships, massive world tours and races, and massive exposure, all of which creates a huge increase in popularity and therefore sales, bringing the costs of things down..basic economics! but your comparing this to mtb, specificly donwhill??? really!! a tiny sport, not to my knowledge televised frequently anywhere in the world, no major outside sponsorships, world sereies which last a quarter of the lenght of mx and a involved population of thousands less..that has got to be the most bull shit comparison ever.

2nd..to all your riders out there that complain about parts consistently breaking, harden up and maintain your shit! Take some actual care and pride in your bike if your that worried with braking parts..but on the other hand stuff will break!! nothing is indestructable
  • 4 4
 last but not least, the price. first point here, if someone wants to spend 13k on a bike..i say good on them and i thank them becasue without them the demand decreases and prices increase for the rest of us, companies have profit targets to make, and no these targets are not ridiculous..this is simple economics! second point, people above in this discussion, mint you have a great bike for what you do that cost you 2600! mint deal but id put money on it that you dont shred as hard as someone that spent 10k on a bike, and the only reason you got that cheap bike is because those people that are spending the big bucks are helping makeup the defecit on the cheaper bikes. Im also willing to be a majority of that 13k was spent at his local bike shop..bet the rider gets the best fucking backup service around and is stoked beyond words on his bike! At the end of the day who really cares what people wanna spend on a bike..thats their choice. This is such an age old argument and humans will never let it go becasue there always has to be someone to blame! If you can only afford a 2500 bike you really dont need to complain that the 7000 bike in the corner is to expensive..get a life! if you were that much of a rider that 7000 would be cheap in your eyes.
  • 3 0
 Hahah wow man I didn't know that the price of a bike dictated how "hard they shred". No I'm not a World Cup racer so I guess the need to buy a $13k bike was not my priority. Was more to get the best bike for my dollar that will last me years of "shredding hard". Cheers man thanks for your input.
  • 2 0
 Agree 100%. The whole 'North American' distribution is a bit of a catch 22, because the actual distribution hub is in the US only. They really need a seperate hub in Canada in order for the pricing to actually make sense.
  • 5 0
 @shenyyc Going from the RRP the Capra CF Comp 1 (same spec) is $2750 and a Slash 9.8 is $5769...
  • 5 0
 @Barthez10 pretty sure Sam hills bike was around $5000 and he shreds pretty hard wouldn't you say.
  • 9 0
 If you have to tell people you shred harder than 99% of the people on here and you NEED a 13k bike to withstand your greatness....I call bullshit.....or your just a dick........cause if you dat good your bikes would be FREEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! advice.....stop talkin loud and saying nothing!
  • 5 0
 @shennyc As Saabg was saying... not really. The Slash 9.8 runs X1 drivetrain, XT Brakes, Pike RC fork and a Monarch Plus RC3. That runs you $6100 USD. The Capra CF Comp 1 runs X1 Drivetrain (Same), X1 brakes (I do prefer the XT on the Slash, but price wise these are equivalent), a Pike RCT3 (Better fork), and the same shock, oh and they both have Reverb droppers.

So just in the main components the Capra wins. But then when you look at the smaller stuff, you'll see the the Trek is all Bontrager and the YT Isn't. Maxxis tires vs Bontrager. Race Face Atlas Vs Bontrager. E-thirteen wheelset vs Bontrager. The Capra has a chainguide where the Trek doesn't.

And I don't mean to knock Bontrager, it's not bad stuff IMO by any means, but it's still no Race Face or E13.

So the Capra is clearly the superior bike and it's $4600 to the Treks $6100. That's almost a 25% difference... that's massive (again considering that the Capra actually has better specs).
  • 11 3
 I've said a million times that bikes are not expensive to buy because they are expensive to make. No, they are expensive to buy because there are people who will buy them for ridiculous prices. YT prove my point with their realistic prices, and I bet even at those prices they're making a healthy profit. I cannot understand anyone who would pay $3000 for a plastic made-in-China Santa Cruz frame. No disrespect to the frame, because they are awesome and I'd love to have one myself. I can't bear the thought of paying $300 for a frame and $2700 for a name. People come out with the R&D bullshit too, even though the basic design has been around for over a decade and all the engineers are on staff anyway.
  • 2 1
 @jaame Well said.
  • 2 1
 Sam hills team replica bike in 2012 was waaayyyy more than 5000 bucks lol. Exhange rate though. Im in canada eh.
  • 2 1
 Yeah, like when you can buy carbon frames from china (and from what I've read, they are actually quite nice) for $300 (and still profit)... it's kind of scary to imagine the markup from companies that are charging $3000 for a frame. I get that there's some better support you get, and maybe some more RND, but that doesn't justify an 1000% increase in price.
  • 1 1
 Point taken but have they figured the suspension part out? Get a bike local and you can get your suspension or part back asap if u have to send it to YT ur not riding for weeks because they would have to send it in confirm u r the originai buyer etc
  • 2 1
 Chuck Norris is the real BOSS...
  • 4 1
 @jaame: your are a dreamer and have no clue what you are talking about.

Rule of thumb in the sporting goods industry for a classic sales model is FOB price times 5 for a US ore Euro brand in order to survive. Survive and pay their employees that is not make shitloads of money and get rich!
However Depending on the brand this might not be enough if they have a lot of marketing expenses, a demo fleet, a racing team, a lot R&D, Warranty claims, customer support or simply investors that insist on a higher margin because they want a return of investment.

taking your stupid 300$ frame from china that you are constantly talking about you will end up at a minimum retail price 300*5=1500
now those 300 dollar frame is hard tail right? so you are right there...

www.competitivecyclist.com/niner-air-9-carbon-mountain-bike-frame-2015?ti=U2VhcmNoIFJlc3VsdHM6Y2FyYm9uIGZyYW1lOjE6MTE6Y2FyYm9uIGZyYW1l&skidn=NNR002A-ARCWHI-XS

and that was without paying for molds, prototypes and samples and things like that which you would have to ad into the FOB

So the thing YT is doing is to cut out the dealers. A dealer needs to earn money as well if he wants to keep his store open so usually, depending on product a dealer gets a margin between 30-60% of the suggested retail price. Dealers are the ones getting the biggest amount of dollars from everything sold and as YT is not using them they are able to offer better pricing. What they do is they basically sell for a little more than wholesale price (dealers cost) directly to consumers.

Now grow up and face reality. Nobody wants to pay too much but the prices companies are asking for are reasonable.
Actually there is a saying in this industry: The only way to make a million in cycling thees days is to start with two...
  • 3 0
 + 190$ shipping plus 25%exchange, plus getting hit with unknown? duty at border. I have had ugly border charges before on lesser items and it is basically a form of government theft. Yt is basically a no-go in canada right now and that is fine with me. I doubt they will sell more than a handful in Canada and the bike shops have nothing to worry about price or service-wise from yt unless the currency rebounds to near par, which is highly unlikely.
  • 2 0
 ^^^^^ they will sell out in NA including canada......it is the best bike by every magazine......and even with exchange and shipping this is a proper bike for way less.
and the boarder it is called NAFTA.......it will be 18$ handling fee and 20% exchange rate but if you buy american money in america it is significantly less......I love living near the border......lets make a run for it
  • 3 0
 You win troll of the day award
  • 2 0
 @Bird-Man While I agree with the majority of what you're saying, that isn't exactly a very 'direct' way of getting a bike from YT, especially if you don't live by the border. You have to jump through a good number of hoops to get at the merchandise. What it all boils down to for me, is that the title of 'YT coming to North American' is a bit deceiving. YT is coming to America (as in the USA). We as Canadians on the other hand get secondary treatment. Sure, we can get the bikes, but at what cost? So just to make things clear, I'm not saying that you're wrong by any means, I'm just kinda miffed at the way this whole YT 'North American' distribution thing is set up.
  • 4 2
 @michibretz whatever trevor. When you can get a 200hp superbike for a little more than a mountain bike something is wrong. The likes of Banshee are selling small numbers for reasonable prices and maybe just turning a profit. Santa Cruz on the other hand are selling a bucket load of carbon frames made in China for bottom dollar at top dollar prices. It's a fact that they are making a shitload of cash because of their huge mark up. I know everyone wants to get paid, I'm just saying you're a fool to spend so much on something that cost so little to make. No one from the industry ever produces any actual figures on the cost of frames, which is why I know I'm right. If I was wrong, someone by now would have shut me up with facts and figures. I've been singing the same song for long enough.

By the way, you're means you are. Your means your.
  • 2 5
 @jaame you're an idiot.

"When you can get a 200hp superbike for a little more than a mountain bike something is wrong."
- Let me guess, because it has a motor?

"I'm just saying you're a fool to spend so much on something that cost so little to make."
- Stop whining and buy something cheaper, or you could get into a new sport.

"No one from the industry ever produces any actual figures on the cost of frames, which is why I know I'm right."
- There's absolutely no point in companies showing figures of the cost of frames. This could be the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
  • 4 1
 Can't you get banned for name calling?

Why? Because it has a motor? Yes! Because it has a motor, and about a million other parts that a mountain bike doesn't have. Titanium this that and the other, brembo brakes, ohlins forks, computers, the list goes on and on. Hundreds of engineers designing and testing its thousands of components as opposed to tens for a mountain bike. Of course motorbikes should cost a lot more to buy because they have so much more tech, so many more parts and so many more people involved in their design and manufacture. I thought it was obvious.

You're right about the retail costs though. I will stop complaining about it. It's supply and demand, and there are people who think ten grand is chump change.

There is a point in companies publishing data on the cost of manufacture. I, and many other people, am interested to know. Clearly the money is going in someone's pocket since YT are able to offer equivalent bikes at a fraction of the cost of the big boys. Or are we expected to believe YT is of inferior quality, less R&D went into their bikes and after sales service is worth 40% of the sticker price of dealer bikes?

YT , I applaud you for making the top tier of bike companies look complacent.
  • 2 4
 I started writing a lengthy response, then realized there's better things I could be doing with my time.
  • 4 1
 Like what?
  • 1 0
 Have or can you even ride a MX bike in full mx? I would guess not knowing what I know.
  • 4 0
 Whats the problem with what you spend on a bike if you like it, if you can buy a expensive bike and like the bike buy it, if you cant you dont, and get a YT. and you will probably shred as hard as you can on the cheaper bike, just like someone who spends 13k on his bike. Its the rider that counts. Just have fun riding. thats the the most important.
  • 2 3
 Rider that counts, but if the riders ability is limited by his/her bike, you will never find your full potential imo
  • 2 2
 Both rider and ride are important
  • 3 0
 true. But there are guys who would never be able to afford a 10k bike, wich still can shred prety hard, or harder than someone who has a expensive one. But who cares what anybody spends on their bike man. If you're happy spending 10k on a bike spend it, at least you will have all the components you love.

If you cant spend it you cant buy it, but thats no reason the person wont be able to ride as hard/good as someone who has a top bike.
  • 1 2
 Oh for sure. Im just talking about potential basically
  • 2 0
 Yes sure. with a good bike you will ride with more potential. But a bike hasent got to be expensive to be a good bike, and I think thats what YT is about, people who cant aford a new 2015 demo... have to possibility to purchase a good new bike for a afordable price.
  • 1 2
 Yeah its awesome.
  • 4 0
 downhilladdict is taking a lot of heat. So, yes... his budget seems extreme by most people's standards. Definitely exceeds mine. But, taken another way. Right now I have the most bad@ss bike I have ever owned. And, when I test rode the frame I knew instantly that I could ride harder / faster than ever before. Maybe it was only 1 or 2 percent better. But it gave me the confidence to push myself harder.

So, think back to that time when you rode a bike that you thought was amazing. And how it gave you the confidence to up your game. So, this crazy bike he has, that's what it's doing for him. Most people won't spend that much. But, if it helps you enjoy the sport and inspires you to ride more often, then that's exactly the point.
  • 2 1
 I dont mind the heat. I may talk the talk, but hopefully this season or next ill get a whistler edit together. Brrraaaaappppp!!!
  • 1 0
 @Bird-Man nafta? Ever read nafta? Works all day long if the product is built and manufactured in North American. Country of Origin for YT isn't going to Mexico/USA/Canada is it?

Going to be a 20% exchange rate! shipping costs! and at least a 14% duty depending on where in Asia it's made.

It isn't government theft. It's the government protecting jobs.

Love how in this article it's all about how bikes should be free and then in that SRAM article it's all about how people in the industry should get paid what they're worth. Get real.

Love how he talks about 6 month waits. Worked in the industry for 10 years and yet to see anything close, except for Evil bikes. But hey, let's see where this goes. Making grips to running the NA wing of a bike brand. Who will handle the warranty for the parts on the bike?
  • 5 1
 Love all the haters neg propping me for no reason. Prolly turtles on the trail
  • 1 1
 @jaame Yes you are singing the same song forever. Honestly I don't even get why you are doing it here. Finally someone did what you are always suggesting and did cut out some of the middleman from the traditional retail model to give mountain bikers a better priced option and you are still bitching around.

I tried to give you the rundown how those prices come together. did you read it?
Anyway if you are so clever and so sure it works the way you think why don't you start dealing with those frames? you should have a sustainable business in no time according to your thinking. I strongly recommend you try selling a number of these frames for 300 bucks. I would love to see how you pay for logistics, for molds shipping and duty rates, the salaries of your marketing department, your engineers and designers, your sales reps, your warranty and customer service people and your team riders by only asking what the factory charges you for the goods! and don't forget putting some accountants on your payroll that help you calculate your losses.

And by the way someone from the industry did tell you to shut the up, right here and right now, and before, but you are not getting it!

Also whats your problem anyway when people want to treat themselves to something special and spend a few extra bucks on their bikes? You can buy a full suspension mountain bike starting at 1500 USD or you can spend 10k+ and you can buy a 200hp super-bike from Japan for under 20k or spend 35k for a ducati and you would still need to ad another 10k to get any of these race ready if you would want to win a flower pot here and there...
  • 6 0
 @downhilladdict, I don't get why people hate on you for spending some extra bucks to build your dream bike and feel good about it. Fast or not who cares, I would say its plain jealousy...
  • 4 0
 Bikes. And Fun. Duh!
  • 1 0
 A couple grand = a few extra bucks. Dayuumm, you bros be ballin' like old Scrooge McDuck! Respect!
  • 3 1
 @ElTaco, nahh, not McDuck, Its actually really simple, just set priorities straight if you want an expensive bike instead of whining around. a few bucks every month make a huge difference at the end of the year.

The way I handle it is: No TV or other electronic gimmicks, No cable bill (100$ a month), No I-phone (at least 50$ a month) no more drinking or going out on weekends (100$ a weekend) no car Payments (300$ a month), no loans for anything for that matter, equals about 450+300 for 3 times going out a month 750$ or 9000$ a year Wink enough for a really nice bike. Or two nice YTs a year for that matter.

But if your priority is watching cable TV and running around with 1000$ mobile phones, heck yeah it will be tough to afford a high end mountain bike in addition to that.
  • 1 0
 @michibretz No worries, I get where you're coming from Smile There are definitely areas where one can save some money toward a nice bike. That being said, I live in Canada, and there is no way that I could get two nice CF Capras for 10k (not that I need two). This is what really annoys me the most, because the great YT prices that the US gets, well... they're not nearly as good when you import their bikes into Canada. You can try getting around some of the charges by using such services as 'Kinek', or 'ship to the border', but that requires some planning and is definitely a run around at best.

To tell you the truth, I'm really glad that I decided to build my Slash when the Canadian dollar still had some strength to it. I ended up getting some amazing deals.
  • 3 0
 I'm not bitching about YT, quite the opposite. More companies should follow their lead. I guess the bike shops are the pimps in this, taking the biggest slice of cake for the least amount of work. I'm jealous of everyone with connections in the industry getting bro deals that I can't get. I'm sick of hearing from journalists how prices are reasonable when they don't pay for most of their equipment and what they do pay for is nowhere near retail. Also, the $300 frames I'm talking about are not no-name hardtails.
  • 1 0
 I'd buy a Dengfu fm036 over a Scott spark anyday, for 80% off too. I'm with jaame
  • 3 0
 Something that needs to be taken into notice is how bike frames are made, many of the aluminum framed bikes are welded by hand, and the rest are done by robotic welders. On average a welder makes around $22.80 USD and hour, and a 6m pole of 6063 aluminum costs around $64. It can take an experienced bike frame welder about 45 minutes to weld a simple hardtail bike frame. Say you pay an engineer $60K USD per year, and you have a team of 3 of these engineers over the design of a frame for a hardtail bike, it takes them 3 months to design the prototype, that's $45K to pay them. And another $6K for design software totaling in around $51,000 USD for the design process. Now the company building these bikes wants to build 1000 for launch, rounding the welding time up to 1 hour per frame and with the estimated materials for each bike costing $64, the price per bike is $86.80 to make, being about $86,000 for all 1000 bikes. The company still needs the break even, with the price of a standard TIG welder capable of welding aluimium being about $900, and assuming there is about 20 welding stations, that's another $18000 in deficit. And with a cost insurance estimated at around $60,000 for the welders only. That makes the companies total deficit around $215800. they would have to sell each bike frame for $215 to break even, and companies need a profit to thrive. Many companies sell their hardtail mtb frames for 200% and sometimes more the price to manufacture. YT bikes isn't like this, they are shooting for a profit, but not ripping off the consumer market like big brands such as Specialized, Trek and Cannondale.
  • 2 0
 Good post. I can tell you that welders in Taiwan are making under $4 American an hour. I wonder what the cost of hydroforming is though, those machines are widely used and must be expensive. They also need bespoke moulds to be made, very much like carbon, but no one ever mentions that when justifying the cost of carbon.
  • 1 0
 A Hydroforming machine can cost anywhere form $1000-$150000USD, the price changes depending on the material and size of material being worked with.
  • 1 0
 I guess since Giant is doing everyone's hydroforming for them, the machines must have paid for themselves many times over.
  • 71 4
 Cam zink doing interviews LIKE A BOSS Cam zink doing 360 drops LIKE A BOSS Cam zink Living life LIKE A BOSS
  • 29 1
 Sounds like he'd be a great boss!
  • 17 3
 If Cam zink would be a Boss he will be the Boss over the Boss cause he is THE Boss
  • 4 3
 If he ever be my boss, I wish he make me ride 100 laps a day.
  • 5 0
 It sounds like he is co-owner of the franchise in Nevada so he could literally be your boss!
  • 15 0
 I thought the boss was Bruce Springsteen or has he been replaced?
  • 1 0
 In which case he would be a boss boss
  • 2 2
 Some bike shops absolutely deserve the trashing he gives them. The sport is so diverse its hard for low paid bike shop employees to keep up.
  • 48 13
 "It's like a divine intervention of the industry." Really? It's great that YT can offer their product at a fairly reasonable price, but we're not talking about Mother Theresa here. YT's trying to make a buck just like any other bike company - they've just taken away the local bike shop portion of the equation.
  • 18 4
 and the distributor and the sales rep, which you have to ask, what value were those guys adding anyway? but yeah, it's not exactly a religious crusade...
  • 13 3
 From a sales model perspective it is a crusade. Shimano and SRAM may be competitors, but there's a lot of winking and nodding going on between the two as well. F%&king 2-party monopoly is on its way out!
  • 3 0
 yeah, how many people have non shimano or non sram derailleurs? or cassettes? or even brakes, or chains, or shifters. there is no way anyone can tell me that they aren't 100% competitive, because if they were prices wouldn't be going up every model, but going down.

we need a poll, about components and see what % use non Sram/Shimano components
  • 6 1
 I know a certain shop that wont work on anything on YT bikes because YT wont let them sell the bikes in there shops. I think it might have an affect on big companies which is dope but i think that it does take away from our local bike shops when you buy a YT bike.
  • 4 0
 Hopefully that changes sooner than later as zink did say he plans on working with the best bike shops in north merica.
  • 6 0
 @freeskiiniskool Well, that's just stupidity on their part. Why turn away the money they would get from service/spares/upgrades. Sounds like a pretty poor business model to me.
  • 11 2
 Once YT's American franchise, run by Cam Zink, steps up and actually does stuff for the sport (like supporting trail systems, junior programs, clinics, races, events), and does so in convincing fashion, but only then, am I willing to believe all that talk about how core and authentic they are. Until then, it's marketing babble. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure Cam means what he says - but until he puts that into practice, it's just talk. Now he has a pretty good track record of pulling off things he's set as his goals - so more power to him.

Unless YT/Cam step up to do that sort of thing, however, they're just freeloading off the investment made by the current market participants. Distributors/manufacturers, but to a much more important part, local shops are doing a lot to support trails, trails associations, access to trails, and providing advice and help to get more riders out there. Yes, they do that to make a profit (as I'd expect YT to do), but hey, without that infrastructure, the sport won't do very well. So unless they do something to pitch in, they would just be benefiting from others' investments.

As for cost issues - yes, distribution through retailers adds to the cost of the bike. But your LBS uses margin made on new stuff to subsidize service activities. It's not cheap to maintain a service department and have capacity there for you if you need it. If bike prices are under pressure, that will cause service to either throw in less value, or raise prices.

The service center contracts with the LBSs seem like a good idea to get their customers the support they need. Especially if they provide service loaners, demos (so you can try before you buy), stock replacement parts locally, etc.

We'll see how this all shakes out.
  • 3 1
 @g-42 -> right on! Zink has a favorable rep, but running a brand that actually adds value to and builds the cycling community as a whole is a lot more than clever marketing, demos and 'affordable' bikes. It's community involvement, trail building, sponsorship, A+ customer support, etc.

One can make an argument that until YT can do this, they are more of a whore than the bigger brands. Selling d2c at a higher margin than they would sell to a bike shop, while investing nothing back into the community. The big companies support bike charities, trail building, teams, IMBA, etc.

Not an accusation against YT. They are starting out at ground zero in the U.S. so time will tell whether Zink and team are able to take on the noble and burly task of building the sport, and not just building the brand. Perhaps a burlier undertaking even than a massive 360 step down....... Good luck.
  • 2 1
 Also, a bold claim like, "best bikes on the planet" from an employee of said bike brand sounds like the same marketing strategies as whatever brand Zink had in mind when he made the comment. Plus, we all know the best bikes on the planet are the original YT. YeTi.
  • 3 1
 @Jmc1gear - yes, that's a bold claim. That doesn't really bother me very much - I'd expect him to drink the Koolaid and be all in if he's hitching his wagon to this star. That all makes sense, in a sales talk sort of way. A different matter, though, is the talk about bad experiences with other bike companies. That just sounds like he's slagging his former sponsors. Besides the potential for that coming back to haunt him personally (if he ever needs to find another sponsor), it just leaves a bad taste. These are the companies he's represented in the past. It's one thing to say he's found a home, this is a really good fit, YT FTW. It's another to slag his former sponsors - that then makes the consumer look at him with distrust as a spokes person. As in, hey, in the last few years, brand X or Y or Z or whatever you were on were awesome, you wore their names on your jersey, you probably made some comments in interviews about how the gear was awesome - and now you're telling me that you had bad experiences with other bike companies, so which of these companies you've hyped in the past did you lie about? A little grace would probably go a long way to make him a more effective spokesperson for his current sponsor (and his franchise). It's like you never want to date that person who can't stop trashing their ex...
  • 1 1
 For many mountain bikers, saving thousands of dollars almost qualified as divine intervention.
  • 2 2
 G42 is spot on. I have huge respect for zink as a rider obviously but as a professional, he is a bit lacking. He always complains about how little money mountain bike athletes make and how his new brand is so much better than his old one. He has ripped into every bike company that he has left on leaving. Not exactly a guy I would want repping my brand.
  • 1 0
 as a purely hypothetical question, what if these previous brands totally stiffed him on money owed? what then? is he allowed to talk a little shit? he's actually been pretty reasonable in the media if so - by just saying he had a rough ride, without any details and without naming names...
  • 1 0
 no, Zink is probably one of the more reasonable guys in mountain biking, he's also been around a while. And the fact that the producers and cameramen get paid for to film rampage than the winner shows that there is a clear problem with how little mountain bikers get paid. you can't actually live too great off of what they get paid, especially the UCI DH racers. you think the guys coming in 40's and 30's get paid all that much? unless your last name is Atherton, Gwin, Smith and a few other really well known names, you aren't making too much money. not even Gwin and Atheron make much money, for the amount of risk they constantly put themselves in.
  • 1 2
 Your Mother Theresa analogy probably doesn't have the effect you would think. Read up on that vile woman.
  • 1 0
 Zink has had most of his sponsors for over ten years. It's his last two frame sponsors who pulled his pants down. Corsair went tits up and Hyper's parent company pulled the rug out from under him. Or something.
  • 1 0
 Small shops would be wise to embrace YT's distribution model. Not having to have the huge overhead associated with stocking a full run of different styles and sized bikes should alleviate a major barrier to operations for local shops. Then they can pay less rent for smaller shops too, and focus on maintenance and service. Besides, If i'm paying $5-6k for a new rig Im gonna want a specific frame and build, not just what they happen to have kicking around the shop. So I'm probably gonna have to have the shop order it direct anyway. I just end up paying a 30-50% surcharge for the shop to make the phone call. YTs way could be better for everyone.
  • 15 0
 Is it just me or are these bikes not as cheap as everyone says they are?

I keep reading things like "1/3 the price of XYZ." The Capra costs about 1500 less than my comparably spec'd SC Nomad, so a little over 20%. Nothing to scoff at, but hardly revolutionary. I think people are making a mistake and comparing an X01 Capra to an XX1 Nomad with Enve wheels, a steak dinner, and a handjob, and then exaggerating a little bit on top of that. Also, SC is a premium brand. There are mainstream brands like Giant offering sweet bikes even closer to YT price point.
  • 5 0
 I've been looking at "budget" DH bikes lately, and have been comparing not only price but component spec. The YT bikes are spec'd at a higher level than comparably priced bikes. But yeah, I agree one can purchase a budget DH bike in that price range.
  • 1 0
 That's cool. I haven't shopped for a DH bike in a while so I checked out the Capra, as I just bought a similar rig and pretty much know all the parts. May be the DH bikes are even more discounted. In any case I don't think it lives up to the "THESE GUYS ARE GIVING BIKES AWAY" hype, but if the bikes are good, I hope they do well.
  • 1 1
 Only problem is that you'll have to wait at least 6 months for many of their models.
  • 1 0
 As time goes on, maybe that 6 month wait will go down. I look at Hyundai cars. When they 1st came to America they were "cheap" in all ways. People bought them, demand went up, larger inventories & quality continued to go up...they invested this higher cashflow into more R & D, better styling, higher quality builds, etc., and the cycle continues. YT coming into North America will probably see the same thing.

It will definitely turn some heads, it will probably have all the other manufacturers take notice when their marketshare gets hit and may change the future of the industry. Only time will tell....but for now, YT is an option for those willing to stick their neck out and wait for their bike. In a few short years, we may see more of this business model and it might be the new way of doing things. In the mean time you can save a few bucks!
  • 16 4
 YT could not have landed a better ambassador to represent, sell, and grow there company in North America. Zink is a standup guy with a solid head on his shoulders. This is the beginning of a great new venture for YT. Congrats and all the best!
  • 22 4
 Let's just hope that if he moves on to another company he doesn't talk about YT like he talks about many of his previous sponsors...
  • 13 3
 Its no secret that Cam Zink got the run around for frame sponsors for years. Don't generalize his comments about that and apply them to his other sponsors. To those he's always been loyal and supportive.
  • 4 1
 He's definitely got some Ownership of the brand. Leading a Brand in NA just for sponsorship doesnt make too much sense. Cam has the leverage to pull such type of deals. So he is not leaving. Same case with Andreu.
  • 15 2
 "Mountain biking needs professional quality bikes at entry-level prices..."

It does? Why? Does the auto industry need professional quality cars at an entry-level price? What a weird statement.
  • 1 2
 Couldn't have said it better. I'm trying to find a nice AM bike but they r all so freakin expensive.
  • 3 0
 if you think about it, my Trek Slash would be considered pro quality a few years ago, and its pretty entry level... idk, this trickle down has led to some incredible entry level bikes, no, they aren't carboned out the ass, but still very good bikes.
  • 1 0
 Yeah I've been looking for used bikes everywhere I can
  • 1 0
 seems like there are some deals on used 26" bikes, but less in the way of 27.b". competitive cyclist is selling new carbon devinci dixon's for 2500 or something... good spec too.
  • 13 0
 @downhilladdict nothing like a 13k bike to still ride confidently at a amateur level....

PS. www.ktm-parts.com/15250SXFFE.html
  • 19 4
 Zink is the man!
  • 92 6
 I zink so
  • 25 1
 As I said, there are many bike shops that do it right, but I have been racing Mountain Bikes since I was nine and have been talked down to so many times for asking something like,”Do you have any 1.5 inch headsets in stock?”
“pffff, there is no such thing as a 1.5 inch headset”

^^^ this part of the interview really resonated with me. I've been to so many bike shops and had people be complete f*ckers. Like do you want my money? No? Support your local bike shop? It is easier to piece together a bike on the internet these days.
  • 7 0
 @anchoricex You've got that right- same experience here... the 'what do you want that for?' or 'Nobody wants those so we don't carry it' type of answers are lame.
  • 5 1
 ^^^ agreed anchoricex. Not sure why many shops (in my experience) feel they deserve to be in business and provide mediocre service and condescending looks and comments, especially to people like me who have been riding bikes longer than many of their employees have even been alive. Sorry d*ckwad, I'll take my money elsewhere, but remember, I chose you first but can't in good conscience continue to give my money to a business that half-asses it.

Anyway, off to the shop now to get the steerer tube cut on my new fork. Hope it goes well.
  • 3 0
 Freaking A! Haha! I know that all too well. The kicker is the fact I'm a minority. Only 3 shops have ever given me real respect and I've been visiting them for at least 10 years. Nobody else gets my money.
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 @WasatchEnduro - I'm blessed to live in Bellingham - a smallish town with great trails and 5 or 6 (depending on how you count that) full service, full-on, significant LBSs carrying a full assortment of bikes, catering to real mountain biking. The thing that gets me, though, is how uneven the experience can be. There are lots of people for each of these stores who totally swear by them. Personally, however, I have had some not so great experiences. That attitude thing you've raised is part of it, but I'd say it's more cluelessness than anything else.

One of those stores sold me two bikes over a period of 4 years. I was reasonably happy with the service, but not thrilled. I referred my girlfriend to them when she was looking for a bike - and was utterly underwhelmed with the help she received (or didn't). They didn't have demos in relevant sizes. When they hosted one of their main brand's demo days, they finally had a bike for her to try - but it was so poorly maintained/tuned that she couldn't even tell what the bike was like. And they were really bad about basic stuff like returning phone calls (something that had already been grating on me). They didn't make a sale - another store did - because they stepped up, provided excellent service and sound advice, and generally acted like pleasant human beings stoked on bikes and biking and wanting to share that. That store has since won my business - due to good follow through, good service, and being a pleasure to deal with. There are some stores that will do well even in world where some brands go direct. Others will not. Looking at my local scene, I'm pretty confident in my predictions on who's going to be in which camp...
  • 2 0
 @anchoricex bruh, I couldn't agree more. When I was building my first MTB, I really chose to use the LBS for 90% of my purchases. But with that consumerism, I fully expected them to treat me right and answer my questions until they were blue in the face.

What happened? I spent $2500 on parts and had to deal with some of the most unprofessional, condescending, inattentive, and disrespectful guys I've ever dealt with. I asked questions about forks and cranks and gearing and whathaveyou, and one guy actually said "you should just buy something off the rack 'cuz you clearly don't know what you're buying or going to do with it."

Asshat. Haven't spent a penny there since and I wrote a hand written letter to the manager.
  • 15 3
 Interview or Ad? The lines are blurry these days..


Funny how Zink talks about a company buying credibility in the bike industry. Sounds very much like what YT has done..
  • 11 1
 Doing some quick maths you can get top trim Capra, Tues and a First Love for the $11,600 it will cost you to buy a Yeti SB6c. If anything we can expect to see bike prices drop. ¡VIVA LA REVOLUTION! ¡VIVA YT!
  • 4 1
 This probably best describes the warm fuzzy feeling I get about YT.
  • 9 0
 Aren't bicycle prices higher or as high as motorcycle prices because the mountain bike industry is microscopic when compared to the motorcycle industry? For example you can rent a car for $30 a day but to rent a bike in Moab it costs $100 because thousands of cars are rented per day and Avis is working on a quantity business model. If Santa Cruz sold 800,000 Nomads per year they would no doubt be cheaper. Quantity has a lot to do with how much something costs. Simple economics.
  • 1 0
 @Idiotech - maybe beside the point but rentals much less than $100, especially if you don't need to ride an uber premium bike. I usually go with Chile Pepper.

2015 Reign or Dixon - $58 Chile Pepper
2015 Remedy or Altitude - $65 Poison Spider
2015 Patrol or Tracer - $68 Chile Pepper
2015 Bronson or Enduro 29 - $80 Moab Cyclery
2015 Mach 6 - $85 Poison Spider
  • 1 0
 @Idiotech No top end car manufacturer will sell 800,000 of their performance model, but you are right in that the performance models for car manufacturers are paid for by the mundane basic models either in their range or the other part of the company that makes normal cars. Mountainbike manufacturers don't have the high volume sales section in their business model so can't offset the costs of their Halo models
  • 15 3
 I'm glad to see YT growing and I hope they will be sucessful in the US Smile
  • 8 0
 ill be honest with you guys. I just got done building my 2015 tues al comp today. guess what?? front rotor is warped. I guess from shipping. then I called YT usa told them what happened. guess what again?? after 1hr I got a ups tracking # of my rotor. and guess what AGAIN??? its a overnight shipment! YT-INDUSTRIES USA has a customer service of a PRO! gained new customer here!
  • 8 0
 If a LBS gave you crap for a brand of bike they don't carry they would be out of business fast. They may give you a little hassle and try to push their brand, but I have a hard time believing a shop would turn down business. I worked in a shop and we worked on everything that came through the door. Aside from putting the brand on the customer tag for identification for the repair we didn't care what brand it was. Quite frankly all these brands blend together after a while when you work on them. Repairs and maintenance are bread and butter for most small shops as well.
  • 3 0
 These guys wrench on busted ass Next and Walgeese all day. Turning away a YT because of the business model would be hypocritical and just plain dumb. Won't feel too bad if that shop goes under when they've been digging their own grave with their own shovel.
  • 1 0
 True. When I was 16 I spent a summer at a local shop. Any chance we got a high end bike in we took the best care we could. It gets tiring to see next, huffy and Walmart all day, every day.
  • 11 4
 I'm glad that YT didn't go overboard in this release with an old American pickup truck, cowboy hat, cheeseburger, etc like Commencal did.

Imagine how embarrassing it would be if Specialized or Trek did a European ad with an athlete eating spaghetti(Italy), a baguette(France) or some other stereotype.
  • 7 0
 I find it so weird, how in a Bulgarian forum, over the past few years I kept suggesting to people to get a whole Tues WC Limited for 2000Euro than a Demo 8 frame and they all laughed. Now that YT is a big name, most people started telling me about the brand and how good their products are. Advertisement is a bitch,cough Apple, cough.
Thing is, their products are of premium quality and their prices are just fair, but people find it hard to believe that such a good thing exist from a country that despises all that is MTB. A 12K+ bike is still really expensive and downright stupid. Most components cost way more than they should and it is just robbery how manufacturers get away with it. So a carbon bike with E13 wheels and cranks and BOS Suspension costs 1/3 of the price of a bike with the exact same components but different frame? I know I am getting a Tues the first chance I get Smile
  • 7 1
 Never ridden YT, after reading this and other articles, I hope to sometime soon. This interview, and their approach to the market is brilliant, shameless punk rock up-yours propaganda... and it will undoubtedly appeal very strongly to a sizable portion of the MTB market. So much bike for so little money! If they can translate this grassroots garage rock groundswell of interest and enthusiasm into real momentum, and not just be a flash in the pan moment of cool anti-corporate truth tellers, these guys are gonna murder the mountain bike market... Disruptive in nature, not entirely different from things like the iPhone or RED digital cinema cameras, this is gonna reshape the entire cost structure of the industry, that is of course if they can deliver a good product and good support, and both fast enough to meet demand, and consistent enough to keep consumers happy. Regardless of the outcome, this is sure gonna be fun to watch.
  • 6 0
 Most riders think that they can properly assemble and maintain a high end bicycle. Very few actually can. If a shop provides bad service or has an attitude find a better one. Cutting out an essential part of the industry to cater to cheap customers and increase your bottom line is not cool.
  • 1 0
 When I was younger (mid 1990s) I learned pretty fast that not many shops could do or offer what I wanted. So I naturally did the next best thing and got online, made some calls and sent some emails. By the end of the summer I had learned how to do most of my work myself. There are still a few things I'm unsure about but these days we have so much information online. Heck, I just downloaded the manuals for two tractors and a tiller onto my phone. No more lugging faded, heavy manuals and books.
At some point, after spending a certain amount of time and money you get tired of relying on others for tasks you could do yourself for less or free all within equal or less time. It may seem pointless until you're alone in the middle of nowhere. Or worse yet you go for a group ride and nobody has the know how to fix a bike or the tools.
Throw racing into the mix and now you're juggling race dates, travel times and costs and before you know it it makes more sense to do it yourself. Plus you don't have to worry about some young kid who doesn't care working on your hard earned cash.
  • 8 0
 Any chance of a repair facility in Canada? The prospect of shipping the bike to the US for service is a definite roadblock.
  • 7 0
 Prices aren't so lucrative in Canada. By the time you factor in the exchange rate and duty you're pretty much breaking even over the competition from a local shop.
  • 6 0
 I agree completely! When the announcement was made that YT was coming to North America I was excited to try something different but after learning that it won't be any cheaper after all of the legalities why would I waste my time on something that I can't even sit on first.
  • 6 0
 Zink, is there any way Reno locals could demo a bike? I'm in Sparks. Also, are you going to be selling your 26er YT bikes from last season??
  • 3 0
 When I picked up my Capra at their location by the airport, they had all of the bikes on display in the lobby. If you called Howie ahead of time I sure he wouldn't mind if you tried them out and pedaled around the parking lot to get an idea of sizing. I sat on the Downhill bike in case I need to upgrade my Demo 8 :-)
  • 3 0
 There are currently some models sitting at the Reno location that you more than welcome to come and check out!
  • 2 1
 Sweet, you have any mediums? If so I'd like to swing by and check them out.
  • 1 0
 I didn't realize the warehouse was open. I'm going to swing over next time I'm in Tahoe. Can't wait to see the sizing on a Capra!
  • 3 0
 Heck yes there are
  • 5 0
 there are stand alone bike repair shops out there that don't even sell bikes. they will be gad to work on any bike! in bellingham we have a couple of these with top notch mechanics - brown dog bikes and alley cat bikes
  • 6 2
 My wallet says this is a fantastic idea and now I want a Capra...my worry is if I am not smart enough to fix everything on my bike how can I take it to a shop without hanging my head in shame...
  • 18 0
 Bike Shops are just going to have to change with the times. Here in Germany some Online Bike Companies like Canyon have deals with local Bike Shops where customers can bring their bikes to. Just because they didn't sell the bike doesn't mean you can't be a customer. That attitude has definitely gotta change !
  • 18 0
 Because you pay them good money for good work? It´s not like they have to do it for free.
Because, by providing good technical work and a nice atmosphere (along with reasonable prices) the shop might acquire you as a future customer who might buy his next fork, damper and/or other parts through them.
Shops have to start to reacquire their customers, while the traditional manufacturers have to overthink their distribution stucture and how they have to adjust in order to maintain their dealers margin.

Also say, you buy a giant because you really wanted THAT Giant, not a Specialized, not a Trek. A Giant.
But your local shop doesn´t sell Giant.
Are you really going to buy a Trek instead? Or are you ordering a Giant from somewhere else, while still taking it to your local shop for repairs?
It´s not a matter of direct sales. It´s a problem that has always been around. Online sales just challenged the status quo and call for a paradigm shift.
  • 4 0
 @retrogressionage I've thought about this a lot and it's the only thing that bugs me about buying a Capra. That being said I think that Bike Shops as a whole need to evolve and YT is going to further catalyze change. You can already purchase bikes on Pricepoint and Jenson along with many other e-commerce sites. I see local bike shops becoming more of a place to go for service, apparel, and smaller parts. I also see the successful bike shops having some sort of cafe or bar for additional revenue and to create a community hub for bikers. I'm going to buy a Capra and will at some point bring it into a bike shop to be serviced. I think the good bike shops will understand that YT is part of the evolution of the marketplace and won't have a problem with YT. I'd imagine that the highest profit margin work is probably service work but I could be totally wrong.
  • 7 0
 Bike shops have been forced to evolve since before online retailing started...maybe going back to when you could order your bar-ends or Smoke/Dart combo from the Supergo add in MBA.
Now, even the service part is changing, as people are using tutorials online to fix stuff they wouldn't have touched before. My LBS says his model is to fix the f@#kups that get that wrong.
  • 2 1
 @Loki87 Wow you said that in a way more eloquent way than I ever could. Very well said!
  • 5 0
 I'd like to see steve smith race or any world cup contenders ride one of these bikes in a world cup .Just to see how fast these frames are
  • 5 1
 Forget Kanye, Cam Zink is a Creative Genius! He is so focused on his goals, I really look up to him for what he has done for the mountain bike community both in his riding and business.
  • 3 0
 "It is a company unlike any other and they just so happen to be making the best bikes on the planet. Righteous." - Cam Zink -
Even i'm a YT's bikes owner, i'm a little bit skeptical about this.
Especially for their quality control.

"...best bikes on the planet. Righteous."
Performance + value wise, indeed.
Quality control, big question mark.

I'd (really) love to see they fix their quality control this year.
  • 3 0
 Since there's a pretty strong marketing theme in this; Canadian pricing/distribution would support their case here; +about 45% to get a bike here and support being in the states, I was keen when I heard yt were coming here but opted out for these reasons..

Great looking product though and good to see them getting behind Zink
  • 3 0
 SO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH 'ZINKBIKE'?! I thought he signed an contract with PB as his sponsor to give out regular articles but NOTHING'S HAPPENED. Perhaps this is the reason why- he's so busy running all sorts of things! Cam please do the articles yourself when you can- I'm sure us Pinkbikers or Zinkbikers would appreciate not having somebody 'interviewing' you for an article.
  • 4 2
 @CamZink - this is the type of company I would like to invest in. Not the stock market, not big pharma, not Twitter. This is F@cking awesome man. You are on to something really big. I want to invest not for the profit, but because I want to see it succeed. I love bikes, and I think this will really shake up the industry and make quality bikes more accessible to good people who want to have fun on two wheels. Thank you for being the guy to make it happen. Thank you (and YT) for being so bold.
  • 6 3
 This is NOT going to change anything in North American mountain biking. There are, and have always been, many companies out there offering kick ass, affordable alloy bikes in the US. PB flavor of the week.
  • 6 1
 @somethingwith69or13init. More like flavor of the decade, my friend. YT is one of a few rapidly growing d2c companies. Up until recently there weren't many of these actually making good bikes. The landscape is going to change a bit over the next decade. The end of the bike shops? No, but the sh*tty ones are going to get shat on pretty good. Gradual price pressure on mainstream brands over the next decade, most definitely. You're going to think twice about investing in that base model Enduro when it comes time for your next purchase when you can get a lot more bike (eg. plastic) for the same price, or a similar bike for $1k less from one of these d2c companies.

Much more than just a flavor, a gradual paradigm shift that will have some affect on everyone.
  • 6 4
 I see your point but who is going to assemble and maintain d2c bikes? Most people cannot and should not assemble any bike let alone a modern mtb. IDB's are the keepers of the knowledge and when that d2c bike shits the bed have fun taking it to a shop. Try bringing a mechanic a box of parts or bike you purchased online and say "please make it work" and see what it costs. That $1k you saved on the purchase will cost you in other areas. This paradigm shift, as you call it, is not necessarily good for the consumer and only seeks to increase company margin by going direct and cutting out IBD's. It's a race to the bottom.
  • 4 1
 @somethingwith69or13init, have you ever seen how d2c bikes arrive. You simply have to put in the front tire what every mountain biker should be able to do, mount the handlebar which has already got brakes etc on it and put a bit of protection off the frame and parts and it is ready to roll. Gears are set up correctly so no worries for the bikers who have got no idea how a derailleur works.
  • 4 2
 Yes, I have seen how d2c bikes arrive. No bike assembly is as straightforward you'd like to believe. There are always little things that need to be adjusted. Any reputable shop does a lot of behind the scenes tweaks to a bike build that most people don't really know about or have come to take for granted. There's value in that. Again, eventually you will need service on that d2c bike. Bring that internet bike into a shop that has no dealer support whatsoever and see what happens. See what your lack of shop brand loyalty gets you all for the perception of saving a few $$. Roadies have been doing this for years and it has been detrimental to their side of the sport. And what about warranty issues? YT is going to have their hands full with "JRA and shit broke, yo" BS. It's been my experience that company direct warranty issues are a nightmare. So go ahead and save a few $$ on your unsupported internet bike. I don't care what cool pro rider is being paid to say these bikes are greatest thing the larger issue is that you're holding up a huge middle finger to IBD's.
  • 1 0
 @somethingwith69or13init -> re: race to the bottom and middle finger IBD's, "That's an interesting point. C'mon, let's get into character." -JW
  • 3 0
 All good points.. I think this d2c movement will initially cater to the independent consumer.. ie those with mechanical aptitude, own tools and workspace at home type of riders. Eventually creating more of these types of consumers as they open their minds to the realisation to the idea that hey, maybe I don't need the middleman (lbs) anymore?
  • 3 1
 I noticed that Cam has been involved with companies whose names are not really on top of the biking discipline that he is in to. So I wonder if he ever got offers from big name brands? Or if he did, that he turned them down because he wanted to be a big part in building up these underrated companies which he might personally feel has the potential to grow. I am only assuming his intention/s, but he seems to be a smart guy who knows how to use his biking skills and entrepreneurial mind to work.
  • 4 0
 I love how this interview was a huge middle finger to the big companies who are charging exorbitant prices (specialized)
Props to zink, really want to buy a Yt
  • 2 0
 Every sport, even surfing, has brands with politics and a façade of a cool, core and nonchalant image. Many companies spend a lot of money and effort to appear that they don't have money, that they are authentic while hiring the cool kids to run their campaigns. Most are trying to copy authenticity. With enough money, even without integrity, brands can get you to believe pretty much anything
  • 2 0
 I'll have to take a look at one on Sea Otter. Pretty sick looking bike. It's nice to see people doing no nonsense. Cool seeing Cam doing his own thing to build a life for himself after riding isn't paying the bills anymore. Smart dude. Killing it on all levels right now.
  • 3 0
 Pros and cons of direct marketing, the local bike shop scene, build quality, warranty.

All topics of discussion here.

DID ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THERE WILL BE FREE BEER AND WHISKEY AT THEIR DEMOS!!!!!!!!!!

YT = FTW.
  • 4 2
 I simply cannot understand the lack of critical thinking so obviously on display here. (Almost) Nobody in the states has ridden a YT bike yet and yet everybody is praising those bikes as the second coming of Christ.
Why? Because Zink, acting as a businessman trying to generate some revenue, tells you so? For what its worth you could put Zink or Lacondeguy on a Walmart bike and they'd still be riding faster, jumping higher / wider / better than 99% of us. So that for itself is no benchmark if a bike is really good.

YT had a lot of build quality and quality control issues in the past. I don't know if things changed considerably, lets hope so. Don't believe me? There gotta be some German speaking Americans here, ask them to hit the German boards or some German riders and ask them. I know a true patriot will defend everything coming from his country, but just take a critical look.

Anyways, thanks for the down votes, I don't care.
  • 3 1
 Which "a lot of build quality and quality control issues" are you talking about specifically? As far as I know they did have no more than the top brands and better customer service.

They did have some issue with the chainstays in 2010 but that got solved long time ago.
  • 4 0
 I liked this interview, it confirmed what I'd thought for a while. I'd always suspected Zink might be a smart cookie.
  • 2 1
 I'd bet that YT has the potential to cause a shake up in the high-end bike market in the US, especially in the $2,500 - $5,000 price range.

This may be another hit to the LBS, but the cheapest Capra is still around $2,995. That's way more than the average customers is spending on bikes at a LBS. I'd guess that most bike sales at an LBS are around $1,000 or less.
  • 2 1
 Bike looks rad. But it's not exactly 50% cheaper than other bikes, like the SB6. The 11K bikes are all carbon/enve. The 5500.00 Capra Race compares more to a 6500.00 build. Even without the reduced cost, the Capra looks totally worth it.
  • 2 1
 13K for a 'push' bike is ridiculous in anyone's world.The MTB industry is joke with what they think their products are worth. If YT can produce a better bike for a 'reasonable' price then maybe some of the larger (mostly US brands) will take note. For now i'll spend my money on a bike that'll do 180mph thanks!
  • 3 0
 Just encourage YT to build XL frames please. At 6'4" the Capra cockpit was too cramped for me and I wanted to buy it :-/ @EeehhZink
  • 1 0
 I don't comment too often on here, but I thought I would share this.. Because instead of monitoring these message boards, this is what Cam Zink is doing right now. Keeping it real. And no he didn't ask me to post this..

instagram.com/p/z3QDOkObgy
  • 1 0
 I appreciate Zink's comment on politics slowing down innovation within bike companies. Sure, new technology is continuously developed for racing athletes. But I do believe that the process of taking the innovative parts that racers benefit from, and putting that same product on the shelves for 'normal' riders like us becomes a clusterfuck and money-making scheme. Really stoked on YT right now! Will very likely be my next big bike.
  • 1 0
 Fuck if anyone knows how to fly the hype, it'd be Zink. Gotta give him props on the Tesla plug though. So true. Also if YT is doin' this direct to consumer shit, good on 'em. Fuck the useless middleman. I been sayin' it for years!
  • 1 0
 It's sad when people buy pro level bikes and have to send them to a shop for service. Seriously. Get it together. All the time and money I spent I bikes I made darn sure I could at least try to wrench my way out of nowhere. I bought a few repair guides, searched on the Internet like crazy and I made sure I asked my mechanics plenty of questions. Before I even bought disc brakes I knew how to bleed and service them. Maybe if Facebook came out with a service manual the lazy kids would do something to improve their own lives.
  • 1 0
 What an awesome interview. This guy not only knows bikes, but also calls out the greedy, rip-off capitalist pigs that run the major brands. His inclusion of items around how marketing and advertising can convince consumers of just about anything is so on-point, it makes me want to buy a Capra just to support this guy.
  • 4 0
 an absolute hero, legend and great icon of the sport. idol.
  • 1 1
 "Every sport, even surfing, has brands with politics and a façade of a cool, core and nonchalant image. Many companies spend a lot of money and effort to appear that they don't have money, that they are authentic while hiring the cool kids to run their campaigns. Most are trying to copy authenticity. With enough money, even without integrity, brands can get you to believe pretty much anything. But there is still authenticity in this world and brands that are real- real, living breathing brands that wreak of a bitchin’ sense of what they are about, ran by people that also live and breath the brand." This.
  • 2 0
 Riders/owners with extreme credibility; dead sexy bikes that require nothing to be changed on them out of the box; customers who know what they are looking for. Win/win/win.
  • 2 0
 i can't even show up to a trail head without Sensus grips on or i feel like a pussy. My bike stops working steeez just goes out the window
  • 2 0
 Question: Does YT use high grade carbon fiber in the Capra? Is it the same grade across offerings. No mention of this on the website.
  • 1 0
 Solid question and one that more customers should ask of their brands. To answer you, yes, YT does use high grade carbon. The bikes are manufactured in Taiwan.
  • 1 0
 Some people are confident to buy their bike online, others would prefer to go to a LBS. Horses for courses. If you are prepared to do your own research and buy online then you should get it cheaper.
  • 3 0
 How were they not selling in the US if they're HQ is in Nevada??
  • 3 0
 It's a new HQ, that's where Zink lives.
  • 2 0
 Mother ship head quarters is in Forchheim, Germany. U.S. franchise HQ is now in Reno.
  • 1 0
 How do we find info on the demo tour? Also, do you have any demo bikes to try at the Reno location?

Would like to sit on a bike for sizing etc.
  • 1 0
 The demo tour info will be posted on the YT website (us.yt-industries.com) under the "events" tab. Absolutely, there are bikes you may come in and check out at the Reno location (the address is under the "contact" tab)
  • 2 1
 F*ck yes, Zink! Work with YT on a 140mm trail/am bike with proper geo and I'm your first customer (the Capra is a little "too sick" for most of my day-to-day).
  • 2 0
 I realy like the tues. I just wanted that they would sell the frame/shock alone aswell.
  • 3 0
 still waiting on frame only option and XL frame sizes!
  • 1 0
 +1 on the XL frame size. The website says up to 196cm for a large, which is pretty tall... But at 6'4" I don't know how many XLs I've sat on and others have said "that thing looks tiny right now".
  • 1 0
 Yea i'm 6'3. a 23.8" top tube is not goign to cut it, that's a medium for a lot of companies nowadays
  • 2 0
 Looking at the Size L Demo 8 and V10 (just the two other bikes I'd been considering) the large Tues is close on almost all specs that matter to me at just short of 6'2" In fact the Tues has a longer reach than the V10 and it's identical to the Demo. The XL Demo and V10 are better options for the taller crowd, but to say the large Tues is the same as most other brands medium just is not the case.
  • 1 0
 i didn't say i was talking about the tues, i was talking about the the capra actually, it's 2" too short. also, i have ape like arms.
  • 3 1
 Nothing but respect for Cam. Nice article. Guess I gotta go buy a pair of those grips now.
  • 1 0
 So when can we get some down under? Or do we have to cross the ditch to New Zealand and beg McGarry? Either way, I'm keen for one.
  • 2 0
 They've been for sale in Aust/NZ since the start of Feb, check their website. First shipment is already mostly sold out though, probably because the bang for buck equation is unmatched.
  • 2 0
 I fear that in 2 months time yt's will not be appealing anymore because everyone will have one.
  • 2 0
 the day YT releases a 120-140mm trail bike they get 5K of my money what an awesome brand!
  • 1 0
 i wish there was a yt link at the top of this article so i didn't waste my time scanning over the bickering about moto and prices...
  • 1 0
 I have the 2013 wicked comp and I love it 100% more then any bike I ever had before. Thank's YT Industries Big Grin
  • 1 0
 I'd be tempted to swap out my '14 norco range c for a capra..if they make an xl (@18"reach, 25"tt) ish
  • 2 0
 Swwweeeettt! Wonder if they could warrant a distributor in Canada.
  • 3 0
 I'm with you on that one bro. Our dollar conversion and inevitable taxes / import fees alone make the awesome YT prices not quite what they seem. I think it's something that many potential Canadian customers should take into account. Importing these bikes into Canada is pricey. I love YT bikes so I too hope that they one day set up shop in the Great White North.
  • 2 0
 A YT frame is high on my list of DH frames
  • 2 1
 Just checked their website, they do offer some nice build kits but thr frame seems a bit on the heavy side no?
  • 2 0
 I love to see YT growing. I'd love to see them grow into making XL Capras.
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 Here in Austria, bike parks are flooded with YTs. Not because they are good, but because they are cheap. And, no offense, the first couple of generations of YTs had inferior build quality with lots and lots of warranty cases. Glad they got their issues sorted out.

But yes, Zink is right when he says that bike shops are just parasites (sorry for being blunt). All they do is taking their profits and don't bring very much else to the table. The big bike manufacturers should get their shit together and offer direct sales the same way YT does.
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 Bike shops are parasites? Do you know all of the BS that comes with a bike shop? Like fitting customers (who are using your expertise, skills, and location which cost money) and dealing with them to watch them leave and buy a bike off the internet because it was cheaper. Bike shops are what build bike communities. I guarantee that pretty much every bike park or trail system has a bike shop as a catalyst and working there asses off to make it happen. Not you. But you get to enjoy the facilities. So before you click BUY the next time maybe you should call those parasites to see what they can do for you.
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 @almrshredder they don't do jack shit for me. And I'm a long time Specialized customer. I just bought a 2015 Demo 8.1 carbon. It took my dealer freakin' 6 months to get hold of one, always the same BS with Specialized serving the home US marked first. Every time something on my Enduro breaks they make a big deal about the warranty, have to talk to a Specialized sales rep, have to send in parts to get it serviced by Specialized because if they do it themselves they don't get any money from Specialized. It always takes ages and I never get the spare part in time but two weeks later.

BTW, most bike parks I know are sponsored by the bike companies themselves, not by LBSs.
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 I just bought a Capra CF and can't wait to get my hands on it!
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 The problem is that Kona obviously makes the coolest shit around: Honzo, Process, Operator… Its really a matter of desire not money.
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 "it's the formal announcement that mountain biking in North America is about to change".

Not a bold statement at all. :-)
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 I wonder how much he "paid" for the Franchise? Contra trade for marketing? Could be very lucrative for him!
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 Carbon Tues........FUCK YES!
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 The Tues AL pretty much half the price of the Session 88 for about the same spec :0
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 Mad respect for Cam, throwing down on a bike and stepping up in the business world.
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 I honestly think they should only be making 26 inch bikes
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 just run what ya brung. and have fun. debate over
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 That carbon tues is freaking stacked for that price. Wow
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 YT! please make 120 or 140 trial bike, you choose wheel size and you have me money! cheers
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 they used to make Wicked 150 and wicked 150 LTD
www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/full-suspension-bikes/longtermer-yt-industries-wicked-150
the LTD had XO carbon cranks and DT swiss carbon shock and fork if i remember right..

www.bike-magazin.de/workshop/2012/teile/show/23934

also they had a hardtail: www.bike-magazin.de/workshop/2012/teile/show/20376
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 Hope to see a demo van in New England at Highland Mountain Bike Park or Burke Bike Park this summer.
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 Fantastic interview. YT did well by signing Zink, it's hard to ask for a better brand ambassador.
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 Zink should get number 1 for the best backfliper
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 Good gracious. My grammar. :/
On that note no more talking to Mary Jane tonight!
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 What bikes did he ride before YT?
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 Raleigh Activator
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 haha ok
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 Don't forget the late, not so great, Corsair
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 this raleigh doesnt look so bad
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 Hyper, was a WalMart brand trying to break into the professional scene.
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 Even the name "Hyper" sounds like Walmart bikes lol
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 Foes, or something?
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 Evil
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 @shankes3 actually hyper is a high end BMX company that sells wal-mart bikes for increased revenue. Scotty Cranmer's frame is even USA made in house by them. They we trying to get into the MTB end of things.
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 From what I can remember..... Felt, Corsair, Evil, Hyper.....
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 My bad @PaulLehr , I just read the article about the Cam Zink model that was gonna be sold at Wal Mart. I have nothing against Wal Mart bikes anyways.
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 @shankes3 i have everything against walmart in general Smile
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 Great read!
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 I think I am having a déjà vu!!! Wasn't a similar article for YT &; zinc on JAN30th? And with the same start up photo? are you pushing YT sales PB?
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 Pretty much anything with Cam Zink's name on it I automatically love!
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 When does the demo tour hit the PNW?
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 Keep an eye on the website, the tour dates and locations will be posted there.
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 My $2,200 bike is doing great and everything I need it to do! Smile
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 no one cares grayson
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