Cane Creek Announces 165mm eeWings, eeWings Raven & Color Anodized Preloaders

Apr 24, 2020
by Cane Creek  


PRESS RELEASE: Cane Creek - Fletcher, NC USA

We are excited to announce the latest addition to the family of critically-acclaimed eeWings titanium cranks - eeWings Raven

The eeWings Raven are constructed of the same high-grade titanium as traditional eeWings, painted deep black with a premium automotive-style paint, affixed with a water-transfer decal “W” logo and then clear coated with a high-gloss protective finish.

Finished with a high-gloss protective coat for durability

eeWings Raven
• Grade 9 Ti-3Al-2.5V titanium crank arms
• Grade 5 Ti-6Al-4V titanium spindle, Hirth joint, chainring interface, pedal inserts
• 30mm titanium spindle w/ Hirth joint
• BB compatibility: BSA 73mm, PF92, PF89.5, BB30, PF30, 392EVO
• Chainring compatibility: X-Sync
• Lengths: 170mm, 175mm
• Weight: 400-grams (arms, spindle, preload assembly, fastening bolt and washer, 1.75mm spacer)
• MSRP: $1049 USD

Though durable, as is common of almost any bicycle part, the paint on the eeWings Raven can be expected to chip, scratch and wear over time with use. The amount and timeframe of this wear will vary depending on care, riding condition and the amount of riding you do. We recommend using the included protective film to ensure that the paint on the eeWings Raven lasts as long as possible.

If the prospect of chips, scratches and wear over time is an issue, we suggest customers choose the original eeWings instead. Their natural brushed finish is far more robust and can be easily refinished.

In addition to the eeWings Raven, we are happy to announce that eeWings Mountain cranks are now available in 165mm in their original brushed titanium finish and that the Cane Creek preloader is now available in a variety of anodized color options.


eeWings Raven are available for mountain at 170mm and 175mm arm lengths and for all-road at 170mm arm length. Both road and mountain cranks retail for $1049. 165mm eeWings Mountain cranks retail for $999 and are only available in the original brushed-titanium finish. The Cane Creek Preloader is currently available in orange, red, green, blue and the original black and retails for $29.


All three products are available now through Cane Creek distributors and retailers or rider-direct in North America through www.canecreek.com

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180 Comments

  • 124 1
 I know that these are ridiculously expensive and completely unnecessary...but man are they pretty and the titanium speaks to the '90s bike nerd in me.
  • 17 1
 Same here. but then again: damn are they expensive.
  • 16 0
 yeah the insane price almost seems justifiable to me just cause it's so pretty ...and titanium
  • 10 0
 Sexy AF. Would def buy if I had the money.
  • 7 0
 Right? I have no need whatsoever for these but damnit I want them.
  • 13 1
 But if there’s no purple anodized bling is it really 90s approved
  • 5 0
 I dunno man, the 90s nerd in me will only settle for Cooks Bros or Bullseye cranks . . .
  • 1 0
 @gotohe11carolina: yes, raw ti is 90s approved. Thanks for asking
  • 1 1
 @thegoodflow: I was speaking of the preloaders
  • 4 0
 @noplacelikeloam: Had a set of OG Bullseye cranks on a BMX bike way back late 80's. So rad.
  • 1 1
 Factor in a $150-250 BB !
  • 1 0
 @KavuRider: Last chance to order Tie-Dye is Friday 24th April!
  • 2 1
 @likeittacky: and don’t forget to add a chainring & tax!
  • 2 0
 @likeittacky: Wheels Manufacturing, $85 and one of the best out there.
  • 1 0
 Hey my stimulus check would pay for these!
  • 1 0
 @bman33: plus they make a matching colored one
  • 1 0
 @camcoz69: I bet they're banking on that with the timing of this press release...
  • 1 0
 Purple Kooka cranks with rainbow bolts & gold chainrings. All else can die.
Oh wait...all Kooka cranks break. That was truly 90s!!! Blazing bright as they shear off and murder you
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: Every.... single..... set of Kooka cranks I ever saw back in the day broke. After a while, the shop I worked for quit selling them because every set we sold came back cracked
  • 48 0
 Sorry, but if I'm getting Ti cranks, they're gonna be raw! Someday...
  • 6 0
 I figured I'd have a raw set on my raw bike, and black on my other bikes. So just four grand.
  • 2 0
 agree, but I'm betting these are for the matchy matchy folks who want the eeWings but don't want the clash of titanium and glossy carbon. I know, I know... the cost is high but I would justify it based on the warranty and durability/weight ratio. I had a set for a little bit, they were great. I sold them only because I tend to over spend and have perpetual buyer's remorse. Lol
  • 21 0
 These are for the married guys who are trying not to draw attention to their bikes. My wife only notices when things change color.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, they are metal. Why confuse them fantastic plastic cranks?
  • 35 0
 Looks like $1200 unanticipated dollars just hit my bank account at the right time.
  • 2 0
 Hahahaha
  • 36 1
 I always said to myself, if they ever make a black version, I will sell a testicle and get some...…..

B0llocks
  • 55 1
 Don't you mean "Bollock"?
  • 12 0
 Pics or it didn't happen. On second thought, no pics please.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, seriously hard to not pull the credit card out right now.
  • 1 0
 @v7fmp: "That's what she said."
  • 21 1
 165mm of absolute pleasure
  • 50 3
 That's what your mom said.
  • 2 2
 @mtb-journal: Just like your dad
  • 1 0
 @mtb-journal: How did you k ow Mickey's mom is on the metric scale?
  • 15 3
 If im skipping paying my mortgage for a month to but some Ti cranks then I am not having them in black! Shame on you Cane Creek, Paint Ti parts is punishable by death in some countries
  • 10 38
flag RoadStain (Apr 24, 2020 at 6:35) (Below Threshold)
 Why do you hate blacks? ;-P
  • 2 1
 Then buy the raw ones.
  • 19 0
 This kind of behavior is never tolerated in Baraqua. You undercook fish? Believe it or not, jail. You overcook chicken, also jail. Undercook, overcook. You paint titanium cranks and hide their beauty? Jail. Venezuela has the best mountain bikers...because of jail.
  • 2 0
 @Connerv6: in mmmmmurica you just need to be born a different colour..... PRISON .....or shot in your car/home. Pot calling the kettle black lol
  • 2 2
 @HerrDoctorSloth: Awwww, just dont get pulled over for DWB. The police a
many areas are the most criminally corrupt and dangerous street gang. The US prison population is a disgrace on our "justice" system far more than the majority of the people in it.
  • 11 0
 Choose the most expensive cranks on the market, buy them in black to kill the bling. It doesn't get much more classy than this...
  • 11 0
 Like taking the stickers off your Emve wheels.
  • 2 1
 Cane Creek: "We're giving you titanium folks
..and we are murder blacking it out!!!"
All the Bike Nerds as one: "We pledge our eternal souls to you!"
  • 14 7
 I would consider these if they were made in the states. Please explain how these can cost $1k and me made in Taiwan?
  • 3 8
flag RoadStain (Apr 24, 2020 at 6:26) (Below Threshold)
 Absolutely.
  • 11 1
 It’s is super duper hard to find a vendor in the US that can swage ti to EE’s specs. Same reason the Thomson ti bars are made overseas.
  • 27 2
 Its so Taiwanese workers can have health care...
  • 1 2
 Shipping
  • 12 16
flag RoadStain (Apr 24, 2020 at 6:52) (Below Threshold)
 @themickeyd: Knowing personally a few of the players in the Ti game for a couple of decades now, sourcing and the EPA are the biggest issues for Ti items in the US. Back in the early 90's the word was that the Nuclear Regulatory agencies were looking at the Lynskeys...and why they needed these "nuclear certified" welders to build bikes. The processes to create, process and machine Titanium are enough to cause Gretta Thunburgs head to explode.

While Taiwan has amazing skills at working with the material, they are blessed to not have to worry about the EPA, OSHA, and on and on and on. More info and what not can be found on Seven's site -

www.sevencycles.com/buildingbike/techsupplement/ti.php
  • 9 2
 Simple, for this particular purpose Taiwan has better engineering know how, better supply chain and a better trained and cheaper workforce.
  • 9 1
 @themickeyd: I have a hard time buying this. Here's an entire Ti fatbike frame for $1320 (on a coupon):

lynskeyperformance.com/fatskey-mountain-bike-frame

Fabrication of that frame would entail far more Ti raw stock, machining and welding than a single crankset, and AFAIK Lynskey frames are made in the US. Seems like eeWings cranks just have a heavy mtb luxury markup.
  • 5 6
 @mr-miller: I absolutely do not at all disagree with your contention that part of the price is "marketing", I am absolutely good with that. I have (more than one) full custom Litespeed (road). These days just the polished finish is a $1000 upcharge (and stupid labor-intensive). The Lynskeys today have the luxury of having the tools to properly machine their products into the USA as they rebuilt after the sale to ABG. Companies who have the tooling already have a lower cost per unit than any company that is attempting to acquire the tooling to produce Ti items. You may also notice that these days we are not seeing ABG or Lynskey producing bikes with folded/welded 6/4 tube sets that we would have found on the Ultimate (road), Vortex, Blade and a few of the Ti QR models.
  • 2 0
 @RoadStain: Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read. I have two Ti frames, a True North road and a Lynskey gravel. Both bikes are great, and both have different riding characteristics.
I really like those Ti cranks, just a bit too much for an Asian made crank. It's too bad Lynskey doesn't make a Ti crank because at the time of ordering my bike and with the at the time 30% coupon code, I upgraded to their Ti stem and seatpost. The 30% coupon sure helped to offset the terrible Canadian/American exchange rate.
  • 1 2
 @bowser07: Seriously, I do not know of anyone who has purchased a Lynskey at retail or even near it. Love them fine folks in TN...but hard to run a business if your products sell at a huge disco. Cervelo and some of the others are full retail, full time.
  • 1 0
 @themickeyd:

Agreed, I9 should make some USA built cranks like Hope is offering, I feel like this would sell well?
  • 2 2
 Because Taiwan has the skill set to actually put them together

#THELAZYDURMERICANWAY
  • 1 0
 The material is source from Taiwan, but from what I understand the arms are welded in NC.
  • 10 3
 My TrumpBucks™ were $1200, what a coincidence!
  • 3 14
flag RoadStain (Apr 24, 2020 at 6:46) (Below Threshold)
 I was spending my Trump bucks, then I found out that I am not elligible....darn it all to heck!
  • 6 0
 I've been waiting these to come out in 165mm! Sweet baby Jesus, time to continue saving up for the Stages version.
  • 6 0
 The preloaders look great, finally something to replace the shitty Raceface original ones with!
  • 1 0
 Yeah, just got these for the RF,, good investment
  • 7 0
 So nice! Life cranks.
  • 6 0
 Why not anodized? Automotive paint seems odd.
  • 4 1
 Titanium can't be anodised to a black finish, so it's paint or PVD coating if you want black titanium.
  • 2 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: I guess you’re right. It appears Ti can be anodized in colors, just not black. I didn’t know this.

The decision to paint these doesn’t seem like a good one.
  • 3 0
 what lunatic would want paint on wonderful ti that is gonna have crusty shoes rubbing on it thousands of times/ride?? It's gonna be gross in a few months. Tragic! They look amazing brand new, though.
  • 2 0
 I would love to try out that hellbender bottom bracket, the solid oil technology seems legit. Only problem is I already have DUB cranks, any chance Cane Creek will be making DUB compatible BBs?
  • 1 0
 It’s on the table, but covid-19 has us pumping the brakes on some of the new product development and testing. It’ll probably happen at some point, but no firm timelines or dates at this point.
  • 1 0
 @William42: I’d love to try a Hellbender bb with my eewings but I can’t find any proper reviews. How much drag does it add in real life?
  • 2 0
 @William42: who are you? i work at Cane Creek and cannot think, "who might be william42?"
  • 1 0
 $1000 for cranks?

I know Ti is a pricey metal, but that still seems kinda stiff.

Hard to pony up that much cash when for 1/3 the price you can get carbon, and for 1/6 the price you can get aluminum.

I have a Ti muni Frame, custom built, and it cost half as much....
  • 1 0
 Then again aluminium cranks can also easily be more expensive than an aluminium muni frame.

Out of curiousity, what made you go the custom route? I've got a simple KH24 and to me it seems like there aren't many variables to mess with. I do ride a steel mountainbike hardtail and I indeed thought a steel (or titanium) MUni frame could be more comfortable, but Kris Holm claims it doesn't matter much because of the way the frame pivots around the axle.
  • 1 0
 I’ve been wanting a black set for a while because my Tallboy is murdered out. Not too happy to see that they’ve painted them but this must be a cost issue. Since the ends will get ugly from ground strikes, they should have masked them off right above the pedal threads so that the beautiful raw Ti could show. This would also keep them looking better over time.
  • 7 5
 Who is paying for Ti and covering it with paint? Come on marketing guys. raw or go home. Next they are going to release a carbon crank and paint it aluminium metal colour.
  • 6 1
 People that want super rad ti cranks (stiff/durable) with bikes such that a black crank looks better?
  • 4 0
 How are people meant to know theyre titanium if they're painted black?
  • 1 1
 the logo ??
  • 1 0
 Social media.
  • 1 1
 Available in 165 cm? Can I get a couple of sets of these on my tandem with the left side drive in front? I mean, carbon is so yesterday and there is no way to Green-Wash it. Throw them in the trash and put a set of Ti cranks on there.
  • 3 0
 How is anyone going to know you spent $1,000+ on cranks if they're black just like everyone else's?
  • 1 0
 w e l d s
  • 1 0
 I like them, but 3x more expensive than what I thought was already expensive for cranks. Think I paid 350-ish for my race face sicx. (granted I broke a crank arm on a pair).
  • 1 0
 I think they have a 10 year warranty. How many carbon cranks will you buy in 10 years?
  • 1 1
 I wasn't really in the market for a 1k set of cranks but now I can get the preload collars that are usually caped in British mud in pretty colours you can shut up and take my money!!...........................................do companies believe this is how we think?
  • 2 0
 I've been waiting for 165mm eeWings. Not many lightweight cranks in 165mm (and by that I mean like none!).
Might have to actually pull the trigger now Smile
  • 2 0
 I know, just yesterday I convinced myself I don't actually want a set because they don't come in the length I want, then they have to go and make the length I want.
  • 1 1
 Anybody else ever see these on a titanium bike? The cranks themselves are so pretty, but when on a Ti bike, it's like there's just too much ti going on...which is something else I never thought I'd hear myself say lol. The black though....that changes things....breaks up the colors a bit (on a Ti bike)but still keeps the nice lines....
  • 3 0
 *Can only be purchased with American Express Raven Card.
  • 3 0
 I laugh every time I see that price tag
  • 3 0
 @canecreek: Let's see a 165 x 83 DH rated set of cranks.
It's about time.
  • 2 0
 The ace in the hole is the oval chainring that's 90° off what it should be.
  • 1 2
 Depends on suspension design. Also on rider,preference.
  • 4 2
 Speaking as only a dental assistant, I think these are overpriced.
  • 3 0
 @DJ-24. The entire industry is overpriced!
  • 4 2
 Shame they dont do e-eewings to fit my ebike.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, bit of a marketing fail there. ISIS rules for e bikes, so much better than some of the compromised snail bike interfaces out there that are a pain to remove.
  • 2 0
 Ti is meant to be raw. change my mind
  • 2 0
 Never before have cranks been so desirable
  • 1 3
 I have 2 sets of EE Wings cranks. I probably fall within the "dentist" level of bike spending. However, Cane Creek can suck it adding a paint job and charging more money for these especially during this time. I hope they collect dust in their warehouse.
  • 2 0
 Me too. Then I'll buy them and raw them.
  • 2 1
 if you buy these in black instead of raw Ti you will be banished to the shadow realm
  • 1 0
 How about a black laser etched instead of paint? At least you get a free chainring with them...
  • 1 0
 now that they come in black I am in serious trouble. thank god the girl already left me
  • 2 0
 Yay, finally a more expensive version of the eewings!
  • 1 0
 I hope one day Cane Creek makes an aluminum version of these gorgeous cranks or even a steel version!
  • 1 0
 First rock strike you will cry like a baby. let me wound them first for you then you won't feel bad, 175mm please.
  • 6 5
 who is actually paying $1049 + tax + shipping for some cranks?
  • 11 5
 Dentists. Everyone of them, actually.
  • 7 0
 If you have to ask...
  • 13 1
 people who can justify $1000+ for cranks that double for art...and here I am trying to convince myself I don’t need them even tho I kinda do
  • 7 0
 Time to flex that stimulus check! Ha!
  • 11 0
 My previous job hired a new marketing and sales manager who bought them when they first came out. He was building a dream bike and decided Ti cranks would go nicely with the rest of his build. He was a little sheepish telling me about it though, so I think he understood how ridiculous they were. If Ti cranks make your dream bike extra dreamy then I say go for it.
  • 4 0
 I know 2 different people with these bad boys. They Look great on Titanium hardtails btw Smile
  • 7 0
 @Muckal: Don’t forget engineers! I have a set bought them when JensonUSA had 20% off. I know, still expensive but hey, I’m a sucker for titanium.
  • 6 5
 @artistformlyknowasdan: If it is "Feed the Children" or these cranks....well, please show them off if we ever cross each other on the trails :-)
  • 4 0
 @jaredmh: I just picked up a set from a good friend who manages a high end shop in Golde, Co He is always testing/riding different well specked bikes with all the latest goodies such as AXS, XTR 12 and eeWing cranks then flipping them for decent prices after not much use. I would never pay full price, but I cashed in a few stock options I got in a bonus and picked them up for well below retail. They remind me of my BMX days and my Profile cranks. You move them from bike to bike and never have any issues. I still have a set of Profiles that are damn near 30 years old and still perfect. I suspect these eeWings will be the same.
  • 4 0
 Those of us tired of breaking carbon cranks and worrying about hitting rocks. These are the last cranks you will have to buy, been around for over 20 years, titanium so no fatigue life, super bling, etc. And no, I am not some peon dentist either. The ROI on the schooling doesn't pencil out.
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: not sure why that get downvoted but if you’re ever in the four corners area hit me up...I might replace my XO’s
  • 1 1
 I've seen so many builds go out with these on here- guess there is still a lot of people with a lot of money
  • 5 1
 @COBRI: Or people who invest in good stuff once, maybe twice max. Not everyone on PB is a broke college kid. Granted, many of us went thru that point in life, but are well into our adult careers. Get a spreadsheet and track every penny you spend (a drink/soda/water at the convenience store, going out to eat/delivery, $5/month for a random gaming site, $12/month for XYZ video service, $4 for a coffee in the morning, etc.) and you will be amazed where you a) blow money and b) can trim just a bit and save up rather quickly.
  • 2 0
 Let's not get lost in the fact that we are speaking of a sport with a vast array of products based off of desirability.
Desirability is objective and multifaceted. Why are they desirable ie. What reasons.
Speaking from a person who is a tech geek and lives to ride, a dollar figure is simply that. Can I have something that performs the same? Probably. I can have something that weighs the same... also probably. Can I have something with the same lifespan and performance? Probably not. You have 3 options always. Cheap, light, and good. Pick two. You may not pay $1000+ for a set of cranks, but I've broken 3 sets of carbon cranks in the past year. Yes warranty is great, but snapping a set of cranks sucks period. Aluminum cranks have an inherent flex to them. Cant say they perform the same or weigh the same. Maybe these have flex too... I dunno, I dont own them. But when they start making a DH rated crank.... Ahem, i said WHEN THEY START MAKING A DH RSTED CRANK!!... Are you listening cane creek?
Anyways, ultimately what i want and what i need might be differant than you and so on and so forth. Reality is, people are buying these... no question. As for who? Who cares... Could be you though Wink
  • 1 0
 @rivercitycycles: l am an engineer and they are the dope, no doubt about that, BUT:
- i would need a nice titanium frame to go with them (some are close to the price of these cranks, i know, but still)
- taking a look at how the cranks on my bikes look after a year of use...i just couldn't ride them anywhere else then onroad with my feet all the way on the outside of the pedals the prevent my shoes touching them. Not even speeking of the rock strikes all over them...
I think I'll keep admiring them pretend my old XT's are basically the same, even if they are not.
  • 2 0
 @Muckal: keep in mind that raw Ti surface is very easy to refinish and look new again. Sometimes all it takes is red Scotchbrite pad for brushed finish or mechanical polish. Then clean/protect with silicon oil, like found in regular Pledge.
  • 2 0
 @Myfianceemademedoit: spot on. I worked for a shop years ago that carried light speed titanium bikes. The Scotch Brite or fine steel wool will do wonders for a ti frame
  • 2 0
 @Myfianceemademedoit: ok, sounds good. I better forget that immediatly.
  • 3 2
 I see the price is still up there...
  • 1 0
 165 mm? I need 180's for my titanium singlespeed!!! :-)
  • 1 0
 Bummer, no 83mm option for DH, I was really hoping for that
  • 1 0
 Just get some profile MTB cranks with an $150 Ti axle and call it good.
  • 1 0
 Will the preload ring fit RaceFace Turbine cranks?
  • 1 0
 @Canadmos. Yes it will fit RF Turbine cranks. I have it on my set. You do not use the brass ring.....just thread it on the NDS crank arm
  • 1 0
 @rivercitycycles: cool thanks. should work better than that crappy plastic ring on them...
  • 1 0
 These bad boys fit the good old 68/73 BB?
  • 1 0
 to buy these or 4 sets of saints....
  • 3 4
 Great news ! BUT MOST off my bikes are standard threaded BB, So can you make them with 24mm axel?
  • 8 1
 They make BSA BBs for 30mm to use with eeWings. Race Face and Hope also use 30mm spindles...
  • 3 3
 I've had nothing but issues with 30mm spindles, as oversized spindles=tiny bearings. Agreed, if they'd make a 24mm version...well I still probably wouldn't pay $1049 for it, but I'd WANT to!
  • 6 0
 @Drew-O: You're only getting tiny bearings if you combine 30mm spindle with a PF41 bottom bracket. With BSA threaded / BB30 / PF30 you're getting a 61806 bearing.
  • 4 0
 You can absolutely use these with BSA threaded 68/73mm frame. I don't think there would be a fit for 70mm Italian frame, though. Happy riding!
  • 2 0
 @Drew-O: You´ve had loads of issues with Press fit frames.... I fixed that for you. If you want to point a finger its the frame designer first, then the product manager, then the crank company, then the bearing companies fault.
  • 3 0
 Wheels Manufacturing has an external BB30 threaded. Bullet proof.
  • 3 0
 @bman33: I've had good luck with the Wheels too. Hope makes a badass 30mm BSA BB as well, but they seem to be out of stock a lot.
  • 3 0
 @ARonBurgundy:https://praxiscycles.com/bottom-brackets/praxis-m30-thru-bb-options/

check these if you´re stuck. Patented collet design works well.
  • 2 0
 @Bustacrimes: Not totally untrue, PF frames are a challenge with 30mm BBs. I think Race Face BBs (which I used with my NextR cranks on a threaded BB) are also garbage, or at least I and a couple buddies have had bad luck with them in our wet PNW conditions.

Shimano BBs on the other hand have been cheap bulletproof, both threaded and PF. So maybe my issue is not with 24 vs. 30mm but rather Shimano vs. non-shimano. I have admittedly not fully controlled this experiment.
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: I will back you up here...Race Face cranks are pretty good overall. However, their BB's are complete sh*t and I am in Colorado with dry conditions. I have been using Wheels Manufacturing or Hope for a while now and both are excellent. For Shimano, not many beat them for best bang for the buck.
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: From the factory the bearings are almost dry. I repack the bearings with a thick waterproof grease, and they last quite a while. The new ones have a secondary lip seal on the outer bearing shield that helps seal out debris. I raced all last season on the same BB, and every race is pissed rain. Rode all off season (pacific northwest, so it rains a tonne here) and I'm still on the same BB. No play, no crunch, runs smooth. Honestly, I repack every bearing on the bike before I use them. Especially bearings around the bottom bracket area. This seems to be the worst place for bearings to live.
  • 1 1
 @JudyYellow: Yes but I would not spend £1000 on cranks anyway, luckier if would spend more on whole bike, but really would want, them but they look so nice!
So more of an excuse, not to buy, how about just find a way to make them at a more reasonable price?
  • 4 5
 It is a mortal sin to paint the SweetWings....I think......maybe not...but....
  • 2 3
 Why titanium?
I'd understand a Ti frame. Ti spokes. Maybe Ti spindle... But the whole crankset?
  • 3 0
 Lighter than steel, and stronger than alloy. Also because why not?
  • 2 2
 @jomacba:
Because you don't want a noodle as a crank so choosing a material with poor stiffness to weight ratio is not something expected. "because why not" is a good argument for home made bike parts, not parts coming from a "big" brand. The best solution yet for a crank is the aluminium/steel axle humble solution as it's strong (durable), light, and stiff (and more or less cheap). Going to carbon can be a ok solution if you have higher than average quality standards.
Titanium for cranks is as good as gold plated. It's pretty and expensive but it can't be more useless here. So good of a choice the Chinese made cranks are selling for 1000$, providing no more than an XTR crankset would.
ti frame, spokes can add compliance. Ti spindle is lighter than steel and nearly as durable, without losing too much stiffness. Ti springs aren't even competitive with light steel ones. ti crankset? Marketing solution aimed at those people with too much money.
  • 3 0
 @faul: To be completely honest, I wont disagree with you.
That being said, compliance is a relative term. Carbon is inherently stiff, yet manipulation of design profiles can allow it to flex to a desirable level.
Steel does this too. Aluminum is not stiffer than steel or titanium by volume.
It is however much lighter, and therefore can be designed to be stiffer.
That being said, one argument I will make is this..in order to produce an allot crank, it needs to be done with a stiffer alloy than what your average frame material would be made of. One challenge of this, is it must be machined as the majority of these alloys are not weldable.
In turn what's produced is a heavily machined crank that they aim to provide stiffness. An alloy crank however is still noticeably more flexible than its carbon counterpart.
Now I'm not saying that these cranks in question are stiffer or stronger because I've never ridden them. I have picked them up, and they are crazy light.
What I am saying however, is because you can weld titanium, you have more avenues in architecture than alloy.
Reality is, producing a Ti crank at alloy weight could be stiffer than the competing alloy crank with more reliability than the carbon counterpart.
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 @faul: because they are far stiffer than my previous aluminum XT & XTR cranks as well as my Race Face Carbon cranks. I didn’t believe CC’s marketing material but when I got to ride a set, it was clear that they are far stiffer. Im clearly an outlier but at 240 lbs this is important to me. And at 240 lbs, it is only a matter of time before my RF carbon cranks break (although my 5 yr old SixC cranks are running strong).

So let’s recap:
* way too expensive for most people so wait until you can get yours on a discount (got mine with stacked 20% off coupons).
* lighter than aluminum, on par with carbon
* more durable than aluminum or carbon
* stiffer than aluminum and carbon
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 @jomacba: stiffness of a material alone only tells you how a part would be stiff with the same dimensions. Pretty useless. If compliance is what you seek, you need to now the stiffness to strenght ratio. nearly all metals are sharing the same spot. Except one: Titanium. It's the same range as steel, but twice more supple. So you can make a part twice as compliant as any other metal without any effort.
If you are seeking a stiff part, it's the stiffness to weight ratio that is more useful (along with others), and then Ti isn't wonderful anymore as it's in the same spot as any metal, maybe a bit less stiff.
There is no "stiffer" aluminium. They are all pretty much the same. 2% more won"t change my life. You can use weldable aluminium for cranks. Thing is, no one does as it's waaay cheaper/easier/quicker to forge then machine a crank arm, than it it to weld it. Shimano does make some bonded hollow cranks (ultrega and I think XTR are like that). sub 300$ XTR would be a horrific 40g heavier once the chainring is installed. Probably as durable. And probably as stiff, too (needs data to back up any claims here...).
Carbon crakns can be as wonderful as you can imagine, as carbon do wonders... but it's a complex material that require a really good quallity assurance. And I doubt there is any brand in bike world that have the quality requirement of carbon. Issue is, on of the parts made could be awesome. Next one in the row would be a turd. Carbon has it's own story there.
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 @bogey:
I can't use your experience, sorry.
I've put contextual effect in test in mtb world. There is no way you can use datas from rider's input.
an exemple is the FOX 36, everyone riding it "it's the stiffest fork in the world". German magazines: "it's a noodle, see, 30% less tiff than any other fork".
I've done "blind" tests with some riders, concerning wheels stiffness. No one could tel witch was the stiffest. worse, if I tell someone "this one is so stiff it will be painful to ride", they actually tells me I was right... even if I didn't change anything but the stickers.
So, I'd need to put a crankset on a torture bench and see results. Or see results by other people if they exist.
I really doubt you can do stiffer crankset in titanium than aluminium, and it's not even believable that carbon can't do better (even if I don't really like carbon at all). and this one isn't wide enough to compensate for ti's lack of stiffness. I don't know if the Sixc are quite stiff or the opposite, tho.
And, it cost 1000 f**ing dollars. three time or more than an XTR. And not made in expensivistan. Because Ti is blingbling, and a small part of the extra price is due tu Ti being a pain to manufacture. I don't think there is a single real argument to justify Ti here, really.
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 @faul: You could be right. Again, I cant argue with the facts regarding dimention of material... But speaking to the properties of each alloy (and carbon) is only half of it. Real world data with a head to head comparison I think is key. While in all reality, I ride downhill. These are not aimed at that genre of mountainbiking. The other thing to consider is the rider themselves. I'd like to actually put these to the test.
No differant than carbon cranks. I've broken many many pairs. But who's to say that somebody isnt gonna get it right one of these days. Time will tell, and the issue is not material (in most cases) its architecture and application.
While you sit on the pessimistic side of things, and others sit on the optimistic side of things. I'm gonna sit my ass smack dab in the center, because I have yet to test for myself.
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 @faul: there is testing available but it was by Cane Creek. Anyways, the shape and cross section of the cranks means the most and if you get your hands on the CC cranks they are very burly. Under foot there is far less deflection than the past two versions of XTR (haven’t tried the newest) and it is very noticeable to when pedalling. With XTR 9000 crankset I could actually get it to touch my chainstay when squeezing it by hand (7mm deflection). My RF Next R cranks sit 2mm closer to the chainstay and I can’t get within 3mm of the chainstay. The eewings are even stiffer.

Btw, the 36 is noodley compared to the Lyrik. It is obvious on tougher tracks on the North Shore and Whistler. It pings and twangs around whereas the Lyrik doesn’t exhibit this behaviour. This also shows in Pinkbike’s drop to flat tests. I have a 2019 36 Factory, a 2020 Lyrik Ultimate and a 2019 Helm and the differences in chassis stiffness between them is noticeable when riding hard. I guess most aren’t tall and heavy enough to notice.
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 @bogey: Interesting note about the XTR. I always thought the XTR cranks had a bit of flex in them, but I never did anything to see. I currently have the 9100 on my Moots and just tried the deflection you mentioned and can't get it to budge more than a mm, maybe 2....they must've fixed it. I wonder what it was.
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 @bogey: you can't measure crank stiffness by squeezing them toward the chainstay. Seems far more likely that you're seeing the frame flexing, not crankarm deflection.
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 @thegoodflow: It's fairly arbitrary, and definitely not a complete picture, but it definitely tells you how much it flexes. I used to think it was my frame twisting, but after I swapped from Middleburns to Trialtech SL cranks, my cranks stopped hitting my chainstay and slave cylinders under heavy pedaling. So if all things are the same (frame, BB) and the only thing that changed was the crank arms, it's not the frame doing ALL the flexing.
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 Were these square taper middleburns? Was the clearance between the crankarm and the chainstay the same with both cranks?

I'm not buying it. All you have to do is run this little experiment with any bike and it's very obvious that most of the flex is coming from the frame
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 @thegoodflow: Isis Middleburns...they don't make Trialtech SL cranks in Square taper. I also mentioned I used the same bottom bracket, so that should have indicated they were isis. And yes, I mentioned the Q Factor was the same.

"Do this with any bike" I did it on the same bike with two different cranks so it's clearly a difference between the two cranks..... Did you not see the part where I said "it's not the frame doing ALL the flexing"?

But meh...you do you...
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 @rupintart: ok, thanks for clarifying.
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 @rupintart: Agreed, this is very qualitative but I've been doing mechanical testing for most of my career so I have a good feel for the qualitative vs the quantitative.

XTR 9000 was a noodle compared to 980 or 9100. For 9100 they've added material and more importantly, they have a larger cross-section especially near the spindle.
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 ive owned a pair. sold them when i found out they were made in china lol
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 They're made in Taiwan, not China
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 waaaaahoooo!!!
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 That BioPace chainring in the last pic just flattened my curve.
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 @audioshnoll : You're showing your age (as old as me). The kids call these, "Oval".
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 If you buy these I hope you donate something to charity as well
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 Donate to the poor? I AM THE POOR...because of these cranks




...JK, I cant afford these cranks.
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 I think if you're well off enough to donate you'd be donating already for the tax benefits if nothing else. If someone's saved up their hard-earned cash to pick up a pair of these without making that much money, I don't think that's wrong.
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 @KxPop: At least in the US, the tax benefits aren't THAT great for charitable giving.
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 @Connerv6: I don't think they're ever that great, but as I'm bordering on the edge of a significant tax threshold I give to charity to stay below the next tier!
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 fucking so nice.

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