First Look: Cane Creek's Prototype Coil Inline - Eurobike 2015

Aug 26, 2015
by Mike Levy  
Eurobike 2015



Prototype DBcoil Inline CS


Safely stored in a padded Pelican case and hidden underneath their Eurobike display stand was one of just three examples of Cane Creek's DBcoil Inline shock. The handmade prototype features the same damper design used by the DBinline that most of us are already familiar with, including the clever CS switch that adds both LSC and LSR, but the shock is designed around a coil spring rather than the air spring that the production DBinline employs. That means that the shock pictured here is most definitely heavier than the standard DBinline, but Cane Creek says that it's also 149 grams lighter than the standard, piggyback equipped DBcoil CS in a 200mm x 57mm size. It's also close to being on par with the piggyback equipped DBair CS when you factor in Cane Creek's upcoming lightweight steel spring.

Cane Creek hasn't decided if they'll actually offer DBcoil Inline, though, despite what seems to be a growing consumer desire for coil-sprung shocks on mid-travel bikes. Part of the issue is that many contemporary bikes have been designed around air-sprung shocks and simply won't work well when you swap the air for a coil. That doesn't apply to all bikes, though, and there are certainly some riders who would benefit from the extra sensitivity and consistency that a steel spring will always have in hand over a lighter weight air-sprung setup. Cane Creek also did say that the DBcoil Inline, if produced, would cost less than other shocks in their lineup.


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88 Comments

  • 115 1
 Eurobike is like Christmas, except you don't get anything besides dreams. Digging product evolution and progression!
  • 5 0
 True that
  • 18 1
 Hahaha, this looks like a shock from the late 90s, though. all it's missing is clear anodizing so that it's all alu gray.
  • 45 1
 Since my old air shock has a Creek in it, I Cane finally get something that is more Inline with my needs. Glad CC sprung this one on us.
  • 5 2
 @aoneal: Is your head-set 110 % on a specific brand?
  • 1 0
 Aaaaand boom, nailed it! Everything progresses! Even hub standards! Progression does good things!
  • 56 3
 Am I the only one who can't help but associate any coil shock without a piggy back with halfords?
  • 29 0
 I think of exploded Fox Vanilla Rs from way, way back in the day when shocks of all brands and prices would vomit oil in all directions at random intervals and Vouilloz and Chausson's bikes needed full rebuilds after every run.
  • 6 2
 I want my piggyback piggyback piggyback piggyback shocks
  • 2 0
 Yes but you say Halfords, I say Huffy: www.huffybikes.com/mens-mountain-bikes/silver-rock-creek-mens-mountain-bike/p-1119

Still, I would make an exception for CC.
  • 47 6
 they should fix the air inline before they start experimenting
  • 7 2
 i think they already fixed it. some of the inlines had seals installed upside down or something
  • 4 3
 @xeren source?
  • 41 4
 They have. The Inline's problems were mainly due to simple assembly-line teething issues that have since been fixed. Mine has been flawless for what's going on two years, but then again mine wasn't assembled by a drunk cat.
The other problem is more of a Specialized-specific design issue. Specialized's fixed-eyelet yoke design increases the leverage on the shock by a considerable amount, and with predictably bad results. That lever-assisted side loading will chew through any shock. Source: I'm a wizard.
  • 3 1
 Mines been working great for a year now!
  • 4 2
 Mine put me out of bike first time after 8 months, I received new one after month, this one needed only 3 months to completely leak oil into main air chamber, just picked it up from service on monday. When it works it works so great, I donĀ“t really believe it will be alive longer than another 2 months.
  • 4 1
 yeah, zero issues with mine from ~1 year of use. took a while to dial in but now i don't even think about my rear shock when i'm riding (which is exactly how i want it)
  • 4 0
 mine still works, let's see how long
and I think even my air version is too linear without volume spacers, so I can't see an advantage with using coil on 95 % of all mid travel bikes...
  • 5 1
 Broth-Ratchurch@ you know a lot about Cane-Creek inner workings. . . . . Got a few Specialized enduro and DH bikes, kids race them and the only issue we have is that we ran out of adjustment in the Db air CS and no one wants to valve it. Ohlins are a dream but no problems with any shocks on specialized bikes.
  • 3 0
 My story: The DBInline which came on my Enduro started feeling funny and leaking after a couple months. I inquired/complained on Pinkbike and before I could even take it to my shop they contacted me. They asked for my serial number, diagnosed via messaging and sent a brand new shock with a return call tag in less than a week. The explanation I received was that Spec. got a bad batch.

The replacement has been holding strong under a lot of abuse so fingers crossed with 2 thumbs up to Cane Creek. I'm hoping that doesn't change to a middle finger!

@Broth-Ratchurch that is an interesting theory on the Enduro design. They've had that design for many years and have no documented issues with other shocks. Do you have any data other than the recent Cane Creek-specific issues to support this?
  • 3 1
 Replacing it with a coil is the best fix I can imagine
  • 3 1
 A lot of DB Coils in Demo's broke (the shaft)
also PB had issues on the HD3 with a similar design
they started questioning it in their HD3 review as far as I can remember
  • 3 0
 @broth-radchurch just like amp amplifier shock did?
  • 1 0
 Have had mine for 2 years now on my Sight Carbon. Had it rebuilt at the beginning of this season in April. It's been abused on all types of trails and even a few days of lift service. Still runs flawless
  • 5 1
 @ryan83 it's not really a theory, it's very well documented in practice. Clevises that extend the effective shock length on any bike cause much greater side loads on the shocks and commonly result in breakage, leakage or wear. Have seen these issues first hand on dozens of bikes from Specialized, as well as Kona, Pivot, Ibis, and everyone else who uses them. Source: Whistler.
  • 6 2
 Yeah, because Specialized like to use a yoke mount, and the way their linkage works it puts lots of side load onto their shocks, which can cause failure. The Demos that came stock with a DB Coil used to snap the shafts frequently, and a similar thing is happening on the Enduro's, a sidewards pressure is forcing the shaft to move into the shock body in a strange way which puts pressure on a heap of seals and makes the shock shit itself. The problem isn't with Cane Creek, it is with the Specialized linkage kinematics and layout, while it is a good linkage it does put pressure onto shocks that can prove to be damaging.
  • 5 0
 Let me make it clear that I don't disagree with this theory. I'm just not convinced that some of the top mountain bike engineers in the world would continue to use a design (for over 10 years) if it was documented to cause massive shock failure.

From just a short bit of "google'ing" I was unable to find any serious data outside of the Pinkbike armchair engineers. If anyone finds anything else I'd be genuinely interested in hearing about it.

Do we have any suspension engineers in the audience???

@Socket Is it possible that these riders simply didn't properly maintain their bikes? I was a shop mechanic for several years and have seen first-hand how poorly people maintain suspension. Then they bring them in and wonder what's wrong?
@Callum-H You are incorrect about CC. There was a manufacturing problem the first generation DBInline.
  • 4 1
 It's a pet theory backed up with everyone's favorite kind of evidence: anecdotal! I don't work for CC or the big S, so I cannot offer you warranty rates for shocks, or really any kind of empirical data. It just seems strange that they are the only company (that I know of) using a fixed yoke. The bikes that @socket is discussing all have bushings at the yoke, allowing them to pivot like any other shock, so his experiences at whistler kind of blow a hole in the theory.
  • 2 0
 @ryan83 They haven't been using that design for ten years and the last few years are different from the previous yokes they used. The newer version is a square plug that that interfaces with the yoke and is then bolted in from the back. This design turns the shock into a structural component of that yoke. It doesn't allow for any any rotation between the shock and yoke. Therefore any side loading or additional stress is transferred directly into the shock as opposed to being mitigated though the rotation of any eyelet or bushing. Contact some suspension service companies, we have one where I live and they've seen failures on EVERY brand of shock attached to those bikes. All show the same kind of wear in which the air piston was being forced into the side of the can. Not to mention reports of the bolt that holds the shock into the yoke backing itself out on all the enduro's causing the shock to come loose.
  • 2 0
 @Satanslittlehelper I did just that and contacted one of the biggest in the country. I'll paste their response if/when I hear back. I'll contact a few shock companies as well to get their take.

As an owner of a 2014 Stumpjumper and 2015 Enduro I'm interested to get to bottom of this (I'm not a fanboy but damn I love my bike shop). I did have the bolt get loose when the bike was new but proper torque (5 nm higher than recommended) and red thread lock put a quick end to that.
  • 3 0
 Ryan83@ I would like to hear too. I got a shed full of specialized bikes (not a fanboy either just what I get deals on) from enduros to demos. Boys race them and never had shock problems. Have replaced bearings a couple of time so I could see if you let them get sloppy might cause problems.
  • 3 0
 @ryan83 I may not be completely correct, but I am by no means incorrect either, my 2014 Expert Carbon Enduro blew its fox float shock up, due to the forces that it is forced to endure that are not found on most other suspension designs. NS Dynamics, a renowned tuning and service centre who import among other brands DVO and handle the warranty for CC in Australia, plus they tune the suspension for the likes of Remy Morton, Tracey Hannah and have worked for Nathan Rennie, Chris Kovrik and their co owner is Nigel Reeve, (Stevie Smith's Mechanic.) At least 85% of all the snapped shafts on CC Coils that NS Dynamics receive came off the Demo frames equipped with that shock, that cannot be purely the shocks fault when they are fine for most everyone else.
  • 1 2
 Demos have a different mounting!
  • 3 0
 Yes Demos have a mount where instead of a square plug, a specifically shaped eyelet slides into its female counterpart locking it into position. It's the exact effect of the square plug just with a different shape for the interface.
  • 3 0
 @Satanslittlehelper the bolt on my Enduro has wiggled loose a ton, and I just blue-threadlocked it for the 2nd time this summer. I'm scared to go red
  • 4 0
 @hamncheez I went red under the direction of my shop, who are very legit high-end mountain bike people. I had no issues when I needed to remove/replace.

www.benscycle.com/pdf/0000017543_R3.pdf

Save this link and refer to page 14. The only exception that I know of is I torqued (under the direction of the shop) #6 to 20 NM and not 10.5. I've not had a single issue since.
  • 2 0
 @Satanslittlehelper @hamncheez @MX298 @Callum-H I just started a post under mechanics lounge titled "Is the new generation Specialized FSR Design Defective?" It has some additional information on my information quest.
  • 1 0
 I'll check it out!
  • 18 1
 Maybe i'm just conditioned but a coil shock without a biggyback doesn't look right.
  • 2 0
 reminds me of super uber cheapo bike shocks.
  • 2 0
 Yeah it kinda reminds me of wallmart/kmart duallys!
  • 7 0
 I think CC is secretly making their way towards this.
www.canecreek.com/resources/images/home/DBAG-blog.jpg
The climb switch is the red switch in the picture, so now all they need to do is make the adjustability adjustable
  • 10 1
 That was completely outta nowhere
  • 9 1
 great, exactly what I need for my enduro to be more enduro!
  • 4 1
 CC must have read the review about their DB coil with climb switch...maybe this will silence the dude who tested it and his comment about sacrificing coil shock performance to save a few grams. But wow less than 24 hours later they produce a prototype? Good work CC! Hahahaha
  • 7 1
 I have absolutely no reason, but I don't like this.
  • 3 0
 Shocks without piggybacks are aesthetically unappealing to me. I have no other valid reason.
  • 5 0
 Whatever happened with those carbon fiber shock springs? Pair them with this.
  • 2 0
 Would be very interested in this plus the lightweight coil replacing the DBinline on an Enduro 29er. The potential for less maintenance, better performance on long decents, and relatively minor weight penalty, and still fitting a full size water bottle would be a absolute winner (all points based entirely on assumptions!), plus the color combo is dope.
  • 5 0
 Will it fit Evil the Following? (hope hope)
  • 3 2
 Get ready for a bunch of mid age crisis bros buying these, and then breaking their frames/linkages on non-progressive rate designs *cough trek*. This is for a few select bikes that have progressive designs in the leverage of the bike itself. Anything else, will blow through travel and bottom harshly. I don't know what this would really be that awesome for?
  • 1 0
 maybe if this sort of shock were available then bike designers could incorporate this type of shock into the frame. air shocks suck and i'm glad more people are realizing that
  • 1 0
 Valid argument. I do not feel its too hard to rebuild the main seals on air shocks every 2-4 months.
  • 6 0
 Rockshox Deluxe anyone?
  • 1 0
 Why not just equip the DB coil inline with a progressive wound shock instead of the standard linear spring found everywhere?

That would probably solve all the problems and seemingly would be easy since they are already working on new springs...
  • 2 0
 This is perfect for my Range carbon. I can't do the regular DB due to the piggyback taking the space for my bottle, and it's just too much shock. This is the ideal in-between between an air and coil shock.
  • 3 1
 I'd probably give one of these a shot if Cane Creek published some good documentation on how to service the damper yourself like RockShox.
  • 2 0
 yeah, i was a little unhappy to find out that i would have to send mine in to a service center annually and that service is ~$150. still worth it for me, but i would have preferred it to be more easily serviceable
  • 5 0
 Yeah, it's not 100% a deal breaker for me. I do wish more companies would start doing that though, so I vote with my wallet. And RockShox's stuff is pretty darn good IMO anyway.
  • 3 1
 Meanwhile first and third at Val Di Sole DH is won on air shocks.. Have to say I'm slightly confused by the contrast between VDS DH and Whistler EWS
  • 7 1
 DH runs are 3-5 minutes vs EWS runs that are sometimes longer than 15 minutes. Air shocks lose their positive characteristics once they get hot, and they are getting extremely hot on the longer EWS stages, thus the move to coil.
  • 2 0
 How about progressive coils? We could tune the compression for each model, and.... or we could just use air because it's so damned easy.
  • 1 0
 This was unexpected!!! Why release the DBcoil CS and then come out with this? It looks sweet but is there be a big enough demand for it considering air has almost completely taken over
  • 2 1
 That Cane Creek print on spring is horrible, imho. I think in general glossy finish on spring looks like shit, make them matt!
  • 2 0
 F sakes .... 2 days after i just ordered the CC inline Air !!! I would have got this for sure
  • 3 0
 look's like a shock from a super macket bike
  • 3 0
 6.5"X1.5" please? Short travel doesn't have to suck.
  • 2 0
 Would buy
  • 2 0
 Hope this comes out in 184x44, wouldn't hesitate to throw it on my Process 111.
  • 1 0
 Love it, a lightish coil for trail/AM, superadjustable, for progressive suspension rate aka Knolly. Cherry would be to be able to service yourself.
  • 1 0
 I put a vivid coil on my Blur after destroying 2 monarch air shocks - feels so much better and I don't notice the weight at all, would definitely look at this in the future
  • 7 6
 yet another CCDB damper with anorexic shaft that makes short process with the bushing!
  • 4 0
 thick shafts cause too much friction (ahem!). that's a big part of the reason why fox moved back to a smaller shaft on the RC4
  • 3 0
 190x50 please!
  • 1 0
 Ummmmm..... YES PLEASE! *several dirty comments about how excited this makes me*
  • 2 0
 evil following? 184x44?
  • 1 0
 Unfortunately I don't think it will fit down at the lower mount.
  • 2 0
 Please make. Will buy.
  • 1 0
 Ohhh Hell Yes Cane Creek!!!
  • 1 0
 The remedy would benefit, except you'd need offset bushings. . .
  • 1 0
 Please, offer this shock Cane Creek!
  • 2 1
 that looks sweet !
  • 2 1
 in love
  • 2 1
 OMG I WANT
  • 1 1
 Air shocks = the fake sound of progress
  • 1 1
 Cool
  • 2 3
 Who asked for this product?

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