Canyon Goes Electric with the Spectral:ON - First Ride

Mar 7, 2018
by Paul Aston  


Germany is the world-leader in terms of eMTB acceptance and usage. Most brands have at least one in their line-up and sales reports are massive, there is the first official "uphillflow" trail sponsored by Bosch, and loads of people have electric assist bikes for shopping, touring, and full-on all-mountain smashing.

It's no surprise to see Canyon introduce an eMTB; it's actually surprising that they didn't have one already. Are they late to the party or are we still in this new sector's infancy and they've struck at the perfect time? Canyon is taking it slow and the :ON will initially only be available in five countries.
Canyon Spectral:ON Details

Intended use: all mountain / trail
Travel: 150mm
Wheel size: 27.5+ / 29"
Motor: Shimano STEPS E8000 motor w/ external Shimano 500wh battery
Frame construction: Aluminum
Sizes: XS-XL with women's models available
Availability: UK, DE, FR, IT, AUS
Pricing: €3799 - €5999
More info: www.canyon.com

Upon invitation to Nice, I was excited to see what Canyon was ready to drop but was met with something planted firmly in the middle of the road: 150mm travel, trail bike angles, a 27.5+/29" wheel mix and direct-sale level pricing. The battery is external, the motor is Shimano, and the look is particularly normal. Judging by Canyon's spiel, this is likely to be that start of a full range of :ON models that will mirror their standard models.


Frame Details


Canyon Spectral ON
Canyon Spectral ON


The :ON is not a straight carbon copy (or even an alloy copy) of the recently announced Spectral. While the lines and geometry are similar, for the electric version Canyon has bulked up the tubing strength and increased the bearing and hardware sizes.

The Shimano battery side-loads and semi-integrated into the downtube which has the left-hand side cut away, and they also managed to make room for a custom bottle cage. Like many other brands going with the Shimano flow, Canyon didn't make their own battery, as they want the riders to have Shimano after-sales service in the future. They've opted for the external Shimano battery because they believe the only real benefit of an internal battery is the aesthetic, claiming that their choice is lighter and smaller than the internal option.

The direct sellers have also created an eMTB specific cardboard crate to deliver the heavier bike, which doubles as a stand to build the bike and will make a great travel case, too. There is also an option to buy an extra battery with the bike at the time of order for a discounted price of €579 (instead of €699), which still sounds like a lot, but isn't much more than the price of a new EX1 cassette. Canyon has also developed an eMTB specific pack in conjunction with Ergon which has a pocket to hold the spare battery.


Canyon Spectral ON
The four-bar linkage design follows on from the recently released Spectral :Off platform.

Canyon Spectral ON
Canyon Spectral ON
The battery is a standard external 504wh chunk from Shimano, and it's partially integrated into the frame.


Canyon Spectral ON
Just like the Spectral, then :ON version features an integrated seat clamp with an internal shim that helps spread the load and clamping force on the dropper post.
Canyon Spectral ON
Thank the lord, there's a water bottle mount, even if only a small bottle will fit. I think an extra battery could be squeezed in there with some intelligent gaffer taping for some 60-70km epics.


Frame Options / Build Kits

Aluminium is the only option for the eMTB chassis, but there are four models to choose from with a full range of XS-XL sizes in each build, prices range from €3799 - €5999, and there are two WMN versions for €3799 - €4399 with XS, S and M sizes.

The wheels are mismatched with a 29" front and 27.5" rear, with 30mm and 35mm wide rims respectively. Maxxis Minion's in 2.5" and 2.8" were spec'd on our test machines. The idea here is that the front wheel will roll over obstacles more easily and be more accurate when pushing hard on descents, while the bigger contact patch on the rear tire is there for traction control on technical or loose uphills.

Canyon Spectral ON
All :ON machines feature this funky saddle designed by Canyon. The idea is that the step will stop you sliding backward when tackling steep climbs, and it's something seen in the moto world.

Canyon Spectral ON
Canyon Spectral ON


Canyon Spectral ON
We rode the 8.0 version which is specced with SRAM's EX1 drivetrain. The cassette is machined from steel and wears well in our experience, thankfully, as a replacement costs nearly €500.

Canyon Spectral ON
SRAM's Code brakes are spec'd front and rear.
Canyon Spectral ON
The 8.0 version comes with a 160mm travel, E-Optimized Fox 36, and the other models all have 150mm travel forks.


Canyon Spectral ON
Go 200mm or go home.


Canyon Presscamp Feb. 2018 Copyright Markus Greber
The :ON 8.0 (tested) is priced at €4999.
Canyon Spectral ON
...there are also two women's versions. Here is the WMN 7.0 costing €4399.



Canyon Spectral ON
The top shock mount has some adjustability to change to head angle +/- 0.8 degrees


Geometry

The :ON's geometry is aimed for the trail and all-mountain sector and is similar to the "acoustic" Spectral. Designed around the added trail of a 29" front wheel, the head angle is actually a little steeper, reach numbers are similar, and the chainstay is 5mm longer on the :ON. The chainstays are still very short for an eMTB at 430mm – something I have not been keen on so far. The bottom bracket height changes by 11mm with the adjuster, and I believe Canyon is the first brand to pressure Shimano into supplying 165mm cranks: extra pedal clearance is a must for eMTB.


Canyon Spectral ON





We only spent one day riding above Nice, on the trails of Blausasc with Fabien Barel, who knew them like the back of his hand. We rode a mixture of loose grey earth, technical and switchbacked uphills and some real downhill track descents. In a truly first-world experience, handily placed backup vans with spare batteries turned it into an 8-hour epic: arguably not in the spirit of e-mountain biking, but I depleted four batteries and, f*ck, we had a good time.

Climbing and Trail: The Spectral got :ON with the job on the climbs, the rear suspension had good support, and the funny saddle did actually do what it promised to, in a gentle bum-cupping fashion. The higher volume rear tire delivered traction in spades when the bike was pointed up. I'm still yet to find an eMTB that's geometry can outclimb the motor and rear wheel grip: maybe I am just too tall for the seat angle/chainstay relationship, or maybe I just suck at climbing and end up looping out before I run out of power.

Along the techy and trials-like ups and downs Barel chose for us, the bike is easy to move around and pop on to and roll off obstacles.


Canyon Presscamp Feb. 2018 Copyright Markus Greber

Canyon Spectral ON
Not sure who the guy on the right is, but he pretends he knows what he's talking about and took us on an 8-hour epic ride.


Descending: Not being billed as a true descender, I feel the Spectral, can outperform equivalent powerless bikes on the downs in many ways due to the low and centralized weight. Despite run-of-the-mill angles and 150mm travel, you can shred with more confidence and control than you might expect. It sits into the corners well and is happy taking on some big hits.

Canyon has done a great job silencing this bike, but I had a rattling battery from the outset; we fixed this thanks to the Abus locking system that can be adjusted if and when the mounting points wear.

The mismatched wheels and tires (29-inch wide trail on the front, 27.5+ out back) appeared to work as described, and the bike felt more normal than you might expect. I'd like more time to evaluate combinations like this in the future.

The bike is well spec'd for downhill with big rotors and powerful Code brakes, good tires (although with a flexy casing), and suspension that supports the added motor and battery weight in the mid-stroke.

Overall, the Spectral:ON does everything asked of an eMTB and keeps things simple. The attention to details and total package offered should rival anything currently out there.






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177 Comments

  • 123 19
 We failed to kill "it" with fire before it laid eggs. Now they're everywhere
  • 35 21
 I actually think, “we” threw enough hate speech on it that if we were talking about a woman or a muslim or a man of color we’d be all in jail... but it’s an e-bike picture on Pinkbike so I can easliy say that I hope we would have rounded up all the e-bike owners and send them to concentration camps to watch their bikes get burned in crematoriums. Because they are lazy fks that will ruin trail access to us who earn our turns, can appreciate the struggle of pedaling using only your legs and we care for nature. And they are lame, lazy fks with their motorbikes powered by poisonous batteries. Yes.
  • 7 2
 @WAKIdesigns: You old e-snowflake
  • 11 2
 @BenPea: wir musen die e-fahrad ausrotten!
  • 5 6
 Feels weird not having our NA friends comment here, but I guess PB doesnt want to deal with the bomb threats. One day, the New World will mature.
  • 2 0
 @Boardlife69: It'd be like Waco at PB Towers
  • 6 0
 @WAKIdesigns: We don´t say e-Fahrrad. We say E-Bike even in Germany. But still, I read your post with an austrian accent. Just couldn´t help myself.
  • 11 1
 @Helmchentuned: I am not mentioning the war. Between the words i am saying that, regardless of the cause, it is easy to dehumanize people as soon as poetry is involved. Like riding a 26" steel hardtail with flat pedals from the dawn to dusk and beyond. The crude, heoric pursue of trail gold, riding "blind" without Strava. And many of us do it to elevate ourselves to feel like that hero, to get others recognize him in ourselves. I don't mean that E-bikes are all cool, not even close, but in those fired up discussion the context and nuances are put to the side, It's either: you are with us or against us. And if you are against us, you stand against everything we stand for, which is just ridiculous because how could a dude riding an e-bike be against preservation of nature, having fun on a bike? So I'd rather ride an e-bike than call others turds, lazy fat fks because of something so blatant. How can someone get so resentful over a fkng bike? this time an E-bike, sometimes electronic shifting, wheelsize, tyre width, frame material, etc. among other things it's called tribalism and it takes our attention away from actual issues.

Oh it got boring ja?
  • 2 0
 I thought it's a Commencal
  • 1 0
 @Boardlife69: Wait a minute... I can't see any single NA user comments. Are eBike articles now filtered from their IPs?
  • 3 1
 @doakwolf: they just try to avoid mass shootings around shops selling these.
  • 3 3
 Pinkbike, can we please block these articles in Australia too?
  • 1 0
 Seat angle is WAY too slack.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: stfu you f*ckin moron
  • 67 1
 I´ll stay with my acoustic bike for now, thanks Big Grin
  • 3 1
 I like that moniker.
  • 5 0
 This is Canyon's tribute to Dylan at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival
  • 47 0
 That weld though. You could hide a battery behind it. Oh, they did.
  • 3 0
 Agreed, they should robot weld those, they stick out like a sore thumb!
  • 6 3
 This is why MTB will never be as cool as some ski guy riding down a sand dune....
  • 20 3
 That weld is so bloody big because that is how one welds a motorbike ...............
  • 3 6
 I must admit, it looks good as for an E-bike... which means there will be more and more of them. Soon we will all #onlyridepark
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Only if you lie down and take it willingly like a Swede... Oh erm...

Fight for your right to ride you subservient fool, like you fight for all your other rights!... Oh erm...
  • 1 2
 @deadmeat25: Oh erm... what? Yag can eenteh fourstoh vad ehr det sohm doo mennah?
  • 37 0
 "outperform equivalent powerless bikes on the downs in many ways due to the low and centralized weight." - So, I just need to ductape some stones to my bottom bracket to ride better.
  • 5 1
 Not as silly as it sounds.
  • 5 0
 Good e-mtb's actually do feel that way, but managing a 25 kg bike is a different story, especially in tight low speed sections. #mopedlife
  • 4 0
 thats what chis porter says..
  • 13 0
 And then you cut the tape and leave the rocks at the bottom for the trip back up. Far cheaper than buying an e bike.
  • 6 0
 There's a test on youtube taping lead sheet to the downtube and it works. It's all about the ratio of sprung to unsprung mass.
  • 6 1
 @headshot: Does that qualify as trail erosion Wink ?

Yeah I think more people use this approach. I thought they did this with Intense and Nicolai bikes last year. Jared Graves has also stated that he'd rather have some weight down there. UK Dirt magazine (currently only online) has a number of articles about their experience with these e-bikes. It made them push harder on the climbs (which I can imagine, I also push harder with a tailwind or when going down simply because it is more rewarding but harder nonetheless) and they also felt it gave them more stability on the descends. It just takes more upper body strength, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
  • 5 0
 @vinay: Every e-bike should come with a trailer to carry our rocks back up to the top.
  • 4 0
 This is gold. Actually, strap some gold to the downtube and it'll be worth as much too.
  • 3 0
 Just fill your bike with water and attach a Camelbak hose on the internal routing guide. You dont even need a bottle then!
  • 34 2
 ironically a lot of top end enduro frames cant handle a water bottle mount, but this ebike does, despite that battery....what the hell
  • 1 29
flag freebikeur (Mar 7, 2018 at 0:43) (Below Threshold)
 It can, just look at the bottom left picture
  • 27 2
 Looks like they bought a commencal meta frame, cutted that frame into pieces and put that someway together, with an ugly shock mount (with a wallmart screw) unter the top tube.
  • 8 14
flag cbro7092 (Mar 7, 2018 at 0:35) (Below Threshold)
 *cut
*under
  • 20 0
 @cbro7092: Gunter glieben glauten globen
  • 19 3
 "Germany is the world-leader in terms of eMTB acceptance"

It's like EMTB are a oppressed minority so we should all strive to integrate them into our communities and treat them equally.

What's next? EMTB Caffes, whole branch of government dedicated to keeping them safe etc?
  • 20 1
 In germany, about 80% of those bikes end up as asphalt-only weekend commute for wealthy elderly people.
  • 6 0
 We need a "ebikes are welcome" political rally/riot ASAP! Or not.
  • 2 0
 You are one woke dude!
  • 1 0
 wir schaffen das! :-D
  • 4 0
 What’s next? Electrical outlet on every lift chair so that you can charge your bike on the way up
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: f*ck you're dumb. I'll be you're a fat mess that lives with Mom
  • 1 0
 @lonespin: you can see me on insta @wakidesigns.
  • 13 0
 Looks like a Meta Wink
  • 5 0
 yep meta top tube with specialized rocker link
  • 1 0
 @chainzuck: my thoughts exactly
  • 10 0
 Nevermind the ebike,tell me more about that €500 cassete!!
  • 4 0
 www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/sram-xg-899-e-block-cassette-pc-ex1-chain-8-speed-wear-and-tear-set-730171

Retail price on a new EX1 chain and cassette is €492! But, during my testing so far, they seem to last ages as they are machined out of a lump of steel.
  • 15 0
 @paulaston: Oh,ok,it comes with a chain. Looking like a bargain now.
  • 4 0
 Yeah i'm not sure if the writer was really attempting to make the battery sound reasonable or fill us with disgust at the bike industry. 500 for a wearable part... I still rock 10sp XT for 50 a piece...
  • 3 0
 @paulaston: Is there a reason why something machined out of steel would be stronger than stamped steel rivited together on a carrier? I'd say stamped and forged steel has a better grain structure than machined so should actually last longer. Then again this is obviously what the cheaper cassettes are made out of and for some reason apparently the machined cassette lasts longer. I'm honestly interested. I don't think I ever spent more than 50 euros on a (9 speed) cassette but if this one really lasts longer than ten of these it may be worth the investment.

My experience with cassette wear is not necessarily the removal of material, more the displacement. When the teeth develop burrs, they catch the chain and cause it to skip. It takes some work with a Dremel-type tool to get it back in working order.
  • 4 0
 My EX1 cassette was still going strong at 2,500km.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: It comes down to how the cassette is machined. In a cassette that is machined in one piece you will get a better distribution of force through the junctions (if thats the correct word for it) between the cogs. With machining you will be able to make rounded edges and so on which will distribute the applied force better.

if a cassette is riveted you will get a peak load where the rivet meets the wall of the hole. this will then result in things like creep and that will lead to faillure at those places (if you apply a lot of force over a long time). machined parts also have tighter tolerances i think. But you also pay for that ofcourse.

to summarize: it all comes down to force distribution. I believe methods like the finite element method are used to calculate these things.
  • 2 0
 @RecklessJack: Never did I consider ovalisation of the sprockets around the rivets as wear. I just notice when the chain starts to skip but I only attributed this to wear/deformation of the teeth, not deformation around the rivets. Is this really an issue? Also the smaller teeth aren't on the carrier though they're also very often the ones that skip. I'm moving from a 32t (oval) to 34t (oval) on my next build so that might make me wear the bigger cogs a bit more, I'll see how much that matters. But I really need to check for deformation around these rivets, never realized this could possibly occur.

@mattwragg. I honestly don't know how many km I ride on a cassette. Of course these e-bikes often come with a computer that keeps track of distances and such. But yeah 250km would be very little so I'm curious whether a cassette ten times the price lasts an equivalent amount. That said, if you were using that on an e-bike it wouldn't be fair comparison anyway.

I am using e-bike chains though (on an unassisted mtb). Just because they're more stretch proof so that in turn will make the other bits last longer too.
  • 1 0
 Not sure I have ever written off a cassette because the rivets are loose, or even noticed that. The interference is so tight that it would take some serious force and heat to get to that point I think. The bigger factor is probably that machined parts work harden at the surface during the machining process, which will make the metal more resistant to wear from the chain.
  • 2 0
 @L0rdTom: Yeah I also doubt the riveted connection will wear in some way. If it isn't stiff though, excessive movement of the rings could cause accelerated wear of the teeth (because of the relative movement). But I really need to look into that.

Work hardening is another thing I'm curious about. I never heard of work hardening due to a cutting process, only due to impact (like forging or shot peening) or bending. So if anything, I'd expect the rolled sheet these rings are stamped out of are work hardened, not the machined cassette that appears out from the middle of a solid block of steel.
  • 2 0
 @vinay: machined parts do work harden, but as you say, on a lower scale than during forging, and it's also mostly looked at as a negative thing as it causes faster tool wear if not managed correctly. I think it's largely ignored in most industries because many machined parts are heat treated to a spec hardness after machining anyway, which could also be part of the difference between the cheaper and more expensive cassettes.
  • 2 0
 my 9 speed half price sram is still going strong since 2008!!
  • 2 1
 @vinay: more rigid for less likely to flex and cause wear at odd angles. Also lighter.
  • 1 0
 @L0rdTom: Yeah, most of what does work harden during machining is actually the material that's being removed, so it is not particularly efficient. It may not be worth the accelerated wear of the cutting tools. What may be an option is to do some polishing afterwards which removes a minimal amount (and tool wear is less of an issue) but may harden the surface slightly. But again, this is not comparable to the hardening the rolled sheet metal already has (just from rolling). And considering the stepped shapes of these sprockets, they have probably also been forged. Heat treatment does help of course but then again, there is no reason to not apply such heat treatment to the regular sprockets. Before they're being riveted to the aluminium carrier, of course.

@fussylou : Yeah as I mentioned that is a likely advantage. Would be interested to see how they compare though. I usually buy the cheaper cassettes which are a bit bulkier and have quite some support material between the rings (which go all the way to the freewheel, so not on a carrier). But yeah I have noticed that these lighter cassettes come with very low profile rings so I can imagine these might flex more. And then the kind of support they get from the spider (whether it allows them to rotate a bit or whether it is completely fixed like you'd have with a machined cassette) determines the amplitude.

Either way, a comparison is interesting. Now I think these e-bike cassettes (unlike their chains) aren't quite ideal for regular mountainbikes because of the steps between gears. But quite simply if the same amount of money allows me to ride longer on machined cassettes than on (a number of) conventional cassettes, these are worth a consideration.
  • 1 0
 @mattwragg: OK But how many chains did you go through in that time?
  • 6 0
 In Sweden the legal status of E-bikes in nature is not decided. Until we have a precedent from a court I would not dare to spend 5000 euro on a bike that I might end up only being allowed to use on the street.
  • 2 4
 No, spend it on the first one way flight you can get out of Sweden.
  • 2 1
 @mikaeljc - I know from a trusted yet anonymous source that in all big Swedish cities, E-bikes are pushed hard by politicians. They want people to ride them and want Police to close an eye for the hacked ones. That’s what you get when your arse of a mouth is filled with sustainability and environment that most of the Europe can’t listen about anymore. So I don’t think they will be prohibited where regular mtbs are allowed. Most importantly, our Police has no possibility to execute the ban (and that’s great since they have more important things to do) so the only resistance you get, are angry Bengt and Gunilla that you may or may not meet in the woods.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: "I know from a trusted yet anonymous source that in all big Swedish cities, E-bikes are pushed hard by politicians" - You trust them but you don't know who they are?
Joking aside, are you against this? If you don't want to support more breathable air because you don't want to sound like a communist, you need to reassess you're approach to life. As for the rest you're probably right.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: I can't tell who told me that in case some fellow citizen is here. Town gives you 30% off a purchase of an E-bike, but you get nothing for a regular bike. Now the dirty part is that Police has received several reports of people riding super fast on bike lanes. We are speaking of magnitudes 50km/h +. The numbers of bicycle involved accidents went up disproportionally, not enough to put policy in motion but they will be observing it. Both Police and Traffic Office expressed their concerns in that case on a meeting my source was present at. A politician basically told them to deal with it and when they asked about reinforcements in form of Policemen on bicycles they heard, hell no.

The way sustainability and environment care looks in this country is overally good. The net goodness goes in the right direction. However there is a great deal of bullshit involved. Once they label something as Eco-friendly, be it an e-bike or e-car, they close their eyes and ears shouting blab bla bla bla, not listeniiiiing. For instance, several years ago they imported Austro-German "passive-building" which is meant to be super eco, low emission thing with "sustainability" written all over it. But in reality these are heavily ventilated bag in a box environments with poor light conditions. Now Austrians and Germans are beyond this recognizing that a building that has a giant machinery installed isn't exactly "passive" and the production energy is rather high. Same goes for health risks related to lack of clean air and low light. But in Sweden it is still the situation where if you say, "passive building? not sure about that" - ooooh you fkng fossil fuel, meat eating shill!
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I did hear about Dutch pensioners totaling themselves on legal e-bikes due to a lack of reflexes at the new speeds they reach. You're right, it's not black and white. Hard not to throw the baby out with the bathwater innit.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: hah e-bikes are a walk in the park when it comes to what's coming. Danish and Dutch started this fkng transport bike thing and these are seriously dangerous. You suddenly have hippies and oldies riding a 50-100kg thing at 30km/h. On 1.5m wide cycling paths! There are a few of these over here and they scare the sht out of me. And these fks say, oh cars get pushed out there's more room in buildings now. Oh fk yes, too bad you simulataneously promote those fkng transport bikes.

Check this sht out:
www.pinterest.se/pin/1125968626995404

and majority of these are e-bikes. Then you have fkng freight monsters:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freight_bicycle#/media/File:Modern_Cargo_Trike_In_London.jpg

And what politicians do, is throw vision pictures of future cities, with no consideration of potential (yet obvious) negative consequences. I say, get that sht on roads, I don't want that on cycle paths. And you know how does that work in many maaany cases? (all cases of people i know having them) - Oh cars baaaad, immoral! I have this hippie thing and an e-bike, there is no need for cars. Now in small letters: oh BTW my parents have a car we borrow whenever we need.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I've never been scared or injured by a bike user and rarely angered, whereas motorized vehicles piss me off daily and have injured/threatened several people I know. So you need to average out the harm and good of all modes of transport, even those you believe are ridiculous. Rome wasn't built in a day. But I get your ire about hypocrisy. I try and use the bike as much as possible, even with the kids, but if its 3 degrees and raining, it's diesel time. Next car will be electric/hybrid/low emission petrol though...
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: In here I've seen carnage on bike paths with the most extreme one being a girl riding a city bike into a stroller. I have no idea how her mother kept it together, must have been oxytocin. Then close calls are very common, I rode into a girl that rode from other direction and decided to take a left turn. She was looking like me with a dumb face - I want to turn, I have to, I mean I have to, I will turn now because there is a turn I want to take. I mean I want to take that turn, BAM!

Car drivers behave exemplary in center of Gothenburg. Most respectful users in traffic. The only black sheep are small lorry drivers. Just watch out for Reanult Kangoo, maybe for a cab, and you'll be fine. Even white audi will let you through. It's got the the point where on certain occasions I get irritated that a car driver let's me pass. Cyclists by average are careless a*sholes. That was my first impression when coming to Gbg and crossing a large street where there is no crossing. Let the bike pass, first car lane, safe, two lanes of trams, rather safe, another car lane, safe, ok let's... BANG! Killled by a cyclist! Or at least shouted at. Those entitled fks and their ring bells ding! ding! ding! They will try to use ring bell 5 times before thinking they have brakes and handlebar. I take an Iphone zombie taking his time to cross the street in front of my car, over those fkrs.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: ha, French drivers learned at a different school... Once again though, xxxx (insert something you like) don't kill people, people kill people...
  • 7 0
 This bike seems to be designed specifically to enrage the pink bike comment section: E-Bike, 29 AND 27.5 plus, the list goes on.
  • 5 0
 Now that saddle.... I can see the merits when climbing but what happens when you're headed down a steep chute and need to be sliding right off the back of the saddle to stop an OTB moment. I'm not convinced.
  • 4 0
 See then what you need is Specialized's funky tilty back dropper post to counteract it Wink
  • 1 0
 What are those chopper seats with back rests called?
  • 4 0
 I am more interested in the 29/27.5 combo since I have been reading some really good comments from people who have actually tried it. For example many people have been running a 27.5 rear wheel in their Enduros 29 and even Mojo offers the Geometron as a 29/27.5 Hybrid.

On the other side of course some companies like Foes, Liteville etc have offered such bikes in the near past but had abandoned them since they were not that appealing to people but still I can clearly see some benefits there. Better rollover from the front wheel, faster response from the rear and also better cornering if you believe the reviews.

Anyway I don't expect it to be that popular soon and I am willing to give a try. The 29/27.5 combo I mean, not the end bike!

PS. OK maybe even the e bike!
  • 4 0
 There's a heap of info on the Geometron thread on mtbr if you are interest in 29 / 275 hybrids.
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: Thanks! I am already following this thread and I also have a 29 wheel on the way so hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be able to try this setup.
  • 3 0
 @gpgalanis: I will keep and eye on your piccys.
  • 3 0
 A french magazine di some testing and they said 27.5+ rear and 29 front is an amazing combo. However it's forbidden by UCI rules
  • 6 2
 I couldn't care less if you ride an e-bike or not , personal choice medical reasons age or lack of fitness or the ability to ride all day on multiple trails , I don't ride one by the way. What does make me chuckle is all the vitriol from some of the USA MTB communities about the environment when I would hazard a guess a huge percentage of these riders drive their human powered MTB's to the trail in huge oversized gas guzzling trucks .......kettel.......pot....calling.
  • 9 1
 Turn:Off
  • 3 0
 btw... have you seen that saddle???

All :ON machines feature this funky saddle designed by Canyon. The idea is that the step will stop you sliding backward when tackling steep climbs, and it's something seen in the moto world

you see - "Moto World" not mtb world.

E-Moped
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped
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 Mountain bikes have taken a lot more good things from the motorcycle world than the road bike world they evolved from:

What have motorcycles ever done for us? Suspension, dampers and linkages, dual crown forks, disc brakes, 'moto-style DH kit,' and big knobbly tires.

What did road cycles do for us? Shit geometry, narrow handlebars and massive stems, weak lightweight parts, triple chainrings and derailleurs. After more than three decades we have rid ourselves of most of that.


*Note: I realise I am cherry picking...
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 @paulaston Re battery life.... 8 hour day, assume hour for lunch and four batteries so 1hr 45 per battery. Is that running the battery down completely or is there still some juice in there? And what mode were you running the battery on? Just wondering if that is the norm as whilst 'boosted' it is quite a limited ride time.
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 If you're careful (and not too fat), 40km and about 1,500m of climbing is possible with the current Bosch and Shimano systems with 500 w/hour batteries. But, if you stick it boost/turbo I'd say 1h45 sounds about right.
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 @mattwragg: I'm not fat but I am 100kg! Still, sounds like there is plenty of life for your average ride though if you're not running on turbo all the time. Thanks
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 @Bunzl: At that weight, I'd assume you're putting a lot more power through the cranks than I am, so you should be fine! I can't remember what the math is, something like 1% per kilo (I'm 70kg, but was 80kg last year and the change in range hasn't been noticeable), and that doesn't compensate for rider input, so if you work from a basis of, say, 30km and 1,000m you should be fine. It's enough to have a good amount of fun, for sure.
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 How much do these things weigh ? 25 kilos ? 30 kilos ?

What If the battery is empty and you have to pedal up a lot of hills to go home ?
What if you have to carry the bike on your back over difficult terrain ?

Which cable/charger do you need to charge the battery ?
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 A moped (/ˈmoʊpɛd/ MOH-ped) is a small motorcycle, generally having a less stringent licensing requirement than motorcycles or automobiles because mopeds typically travel about the same speed as bicycles on public roads. Mopeds by definition are driven by both an engine and bicycle pedals,
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 Bike with battery................. Psh.
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 They should make the battery look like a water bottle in a cage...
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 @AntN
Or they should make the battery look like a water bottle cage.
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 All the anti e-bike people - I'd like to know, what is it exactly that threatens you so?
Genuinely curious. The e-bike debates are getting really old and no one has yet been honest with why they're so against them.
And let's distinguish between these pedal assist things, and actual motorised pseudo motorbikes.
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 In the part of the world where i live, the far bigest problem is trail access. I don't mind ebikes on roads and on your garden, but how are you going to explain ebikes to somebody in charge of public land if you already have problems with non motorized MTBs allready. And it is a major problem. You can cover much more miles on a ebike(your stamina is not a limit) and much more people can do it (90% of the population are the lazy ones). So e-bikes on trails, no thank you.
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 @IluvRIDING: have you ever ridden one?
It's really not a free for all pass to ride without drawbacks.
And if it means someone with a medical condition can go ride their bike, who are you to say they can't ride a pedal assist bike? Especially because they don't actually damage the trails any more than a push bike.
You're not suddenly going to get a huge influx of people taking up MTB - they'd already be riding if they were interested.
  • 8 0
 To give you my personal opinion: I'm not all "anti", but there's a trend I'm seeing the last few years that worries me:
A lot of people I've seen on E-MTBs, at least where I'm from, are new, inexperienced riders. They buy assisted bikes because it enables them to ride long distances without it being to exhausting and therefore kind of skip the initial phase where you have to exercise to slowly get better. This in itself wouldn't be a problem, since I'm all about getting more people on the bike and letting our sport grow.
What they unfortunately also lack is the knowledge of proper trail etiquette, proper breaking technique and so on. I know that this applies to some non-assisted riders too, but they have far less reach and therefore piss off far less people in the process.
So for me it's not really the technology I don't like, but the "I payed 5k+ for my bike, I'm invincible on the uphills and I don't need any help learning this sport" mentality of the people using it. The situation here is already tense enough as it is...
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 Ok - so here we go...
I imagine the anti e-bike brigade to be like the people who owned horses in the early 1900s, that when they first saw a car they said "I don't like it, kill it with fire" etc. etc.
People divide into 5 basic categories for any product or sector of products they come across, it's the diffusion of innovation curve.
Innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority and laggards.
Anti e-bike people are in the latter half of the curve in regards to e-bikes, but when enough people have them some of them will start desiring one. The laggards however will never change, they're the 26" till-I-die people, the cheap 9 speed cassette people. They don't like change in that particular sector of their lives.
Cognitive bias makes it difficult to change your opinion on things in some instances. So they just hate on the bike industry new standards etc. and progress in whatever form that takes. Without realising that you don't have to buy it and that there is a choice of buying second hand if you don't want to move with the industry.
That's my opinion of it, does that shed any light on your enquiry?
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 @Lejla: I don't give a s*** how many people could ride an ebike when they are not able to ride a pushbike. In effect they will limit my acces to the trails and I don't want that. Above I have explained reasons why I think it does put pressure on the whole mtb crowd. And btw. I might be ok with OFFICIALLY DISABLED people riding emtbs on trails. But I am wondering what medical condition it would apply to. But quite clearly this is not the crowd the industry is aiming for. 99% of eMtb owners have them for pure lazyness and their inability to work out.
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 I don't have so much of an issue with the bikes per se, as the way they are being shoved down our throats. It has been pointed out frequently that pinkbikers are not going to be the largest market, and this has been backed up in polls. However, I am bombarded with advertising, articles, social media about them.

To me, they aren't the sport I do... even if they are very similar. People can go and do that activity/sport, and I'll do MTB. But I don't like when people conflate the two.

I hope this makes some sort of sense, I know the line between the two is subtle, especially when shuttles and lifts are brought into discussion, but I feel that it is a line nonetheless.
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flag mych79 (Mar 7, 2018 at 5:07) (Below Threshold)
 @lukabe "The situation here is already tense enough as it is..." Where do you live? Afghanistan? ????
Improper breaking technique is what you get when more people start learning to ride, it's really a case of ride somewhere else and live and let live if you can't stand it. You'll never stop the progress of e-bikes so you might as well get on with it.
@Ozziefish if you're on Facebook Instagram etc. Then you're bound to get bombarded with adverts because that's what those platforms are. Targeted advertising machines thinly veiled as a tool for keeping in touch with friends and relatives.
Let them do their thing and I'll do mine, anytime some new challenge comes along everyone gets so wound up. In 10 years time you'll have gotten used to it and there will be something else to worry about.
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 Its another stupid trend from the industry. Remember fat bikes and 29 is the best then 27.5 is best that shit just waisted money on marketing. And a bike with a motor is a motorbike and those already exist no need for making experiments if cats and dogs can breed
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 I get where people are coming from when they say that relatively inexperienced people gain access to areas/trails they would never bother to reach on a normal bike, and that can be a problem, BUT - all of the times that I go riding (German alps), I do see a lot of e-bikes usually, but I don't recall ever meeting an e-bike rider on the actual trail, uphill or down. They just stay on the streets and fireroads usually. The only time I had an unpleasant encounter with some dude bros on e-bikes (riding down a narrow single trail was used by everyone else for the uphill, and without helmets) was at a big bike festival where taking e-bikes out for a sping is the thing to do.
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 Thousands of words have been sprayed onto these pages about the topic over the last six months. Do some research and you'll be able to read the whole gamut of opinions about e-bikes if you're really interested. The issue is this: are they really within Pinkbike's remit and would we be reading articles about them here if advertisers hadn't coerced the site into doing their bidding? I've personally never been bothered by an e-bike or its rider, you only see them on roads and 4x4 tracks, if that. Other than for the physically impaired, I just see them as another toy for a certain section of society who enjoy throwaway gadgets or who like to piss about on pit bikes and motor scooters in the street. Although the fact that you need to pedal probably puts a lot of people off. The Matt Wraggs of this world who use these tools to the best effect and actually breathe real life into the "further, faster, higher" argument are a tiny minority. But this minority wouldn't be able to afford an e-bike if they weren't marketed to the masses who would probably do better to buy a normal bike and burn some calories unassisted. The vast majority will never exploit even half the potential of these machines, which is fine, but these people do not fit the profile of even 5% of Pinkbikers (that's just my feeling). We're just slowly being acclimatised to the way they look and the concept itself, when the truth is that very few people of normal physical ability will really benefit from them in the absolute (I'm taking from a fitness and philosophical perspective). It's also about the modern tendency to hack the pain:pleasure paradigm, having more fun for less effort, but leaving a little bit of your soul down in hell somewhere. Damn, we've been here before...

@mych79: "the 26" till-I-die people, the cheap 9 speed cassette people" You called? Small correction : til my bike dies
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 @IluvRIDING: And again, your country, your problem. Don't take it out on those that are simply from a country with more common sense laws than yours has. If your country has pathetic laws regarding mountain biking in general, do something about it, create a group and lobby your government. Don't turn on your fellow bikers with the attitude: "well we're not allowed so you shouldn't be either", to that i say f*ck right off mate, don't be yet another short sighted MTBSJW, know your enemy, it is not people that ride e-bikes, it's those who tell you that you can't.
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 @mych79: Nah, minimal FB and no insta here, just when I'm going my merry way on other websites or bike magazines
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 @lukabe: And think you're talking about "my hometown"... e-moppers...
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 @deadmeat25: No actually my country has much better laws then for instance Austria and Germany, and much much more public land for biking than the UK. But still there are places, especially where trails are built where there is friction between mountain bikers and locals and local authorities. And I think this applies to many locations on our planet. And btw. it was my answer to the question: "All the anti e-bike people - I'd like to know, what is it exactly that threatens you so?"
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 @IluvRIDING: Seems you're a bit confused, asking people what it is that threatens them about e-bikes, whilst simultaneously pouring scorn upon those who ride them because they "Limit my trail access" and calling them all lazy is a bit mental mate.
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 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
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 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 1
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 1
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 2
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 2
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 2
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 2
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 2
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 1
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 1
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 1
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.

I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).

We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.

Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 0
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.
I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).
We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.
Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
  • 1 0
 My beef is this:
E-mtb is not mtb. Yes we ride the same trails but the bikes are different and so is the riding style.
I think the fact that they aid disabled people to access the sport I love is great. However it seems to me, the reality is that they are marketed at able bodied newbies and lazy riders. (After all, that's where the money is) We have loads of e-bikes on the trails in south wales. The vast majority of these riders are the latter mentioned demographic. I've seen e-mtbs on uplifts more than once. I have only met one disabled e-bike rider. Dude had prosthetic legs from the knees down. Fair play to that man! I blame the age of instant gratification to some extent. People don't wanna go through the process of getting fit enough to climb and desend to their hearts content. They want it now. I believe E-mtb offers people a short cut past a vital part of the learning curve. Getting fit enough to go out into the mountains and get back again safely when shit goes wrong. (Cos shit goes wrong).
We don't really have trail access issues here (yet). But I sympathise with those who feel their trail access is at risk due to e-mtb use.
Also I don't like change

#26ain'tdead #e-pinkbikeplease #29ersaregay #f*ckthemalltodeath #untilmybikeisdead
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 Ooops
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 @l-JP-l: f*ckin ell mate
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 @l-JP-l: well put though. Each of
those ten times
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 @l-JP-l: you made your point ;-)
I've owned numerous normal MTB's over the years, averaged 100 miles a week on my CX bike last year. I'm fit enough to get a bike to the top of a hill and skilled enough to enjoy the run down, at my level of course. Last year I sold my MTB and bought a eMTB. Why? because they are simply so much fun, I don't go any further. In fact the battery life can result in limiting my range. But the time spent on the bike is so much fun, going up, as well as going down.
For those that have never ridden one but sit and slag them off, I suggest you go on a demo day. The smile on your face will be very very wide..
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 @relaxitscool: Cocaine on wheels yeah?
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 @relaxitscool:
My friend, I am truly happy for you. I will no longer fear for your safety.
My fear is that you may be in the minority of e-bike users. while my time on an e-mtb has been limited (due to religious beliefs) it was fun. Similar but different. For me, it takes away to much from the sense of accomplishment. Not to mention and all day adventures with the boys would require multiple e-bike purchases and planned stops where we can charge our batteries. literally. I just see them as slightly different sports. Bit like how mtb is different to mx.
#differentstrokesfordifferentfolks
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 I do wonder at times who is against them so much as many of the arguments say its all about climbing and earning the ride,
But we are getting so many pampered bike parks now-a-days that many dont ride uphill anyway .. slap the bike on the back of a trailer and get shuttled up the hill - are those guys, the park rats, which also include all the "cool" fest style guys, and, people like Sam Pilgrim, who is not a climber at all, are those guys in the same hate group that e-bike riders seem to be in? many freeriders openly admit to hating or not being able to climb - in fact I used to think that Pinkbike was the home of the rough-edged, flannel wearing park rat, seems its not, seems its a home of XC hill climbing strava gods?
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 @makdthed: " I used to think that Pinkbike was the home of the rough-edged, flannel wearing park rat, seems its not, seems its a home of XC hill climbing strava gods" Good point, it's hard to overlook this. I typed something I thought was insightful about this once, but I can't remember what the hell it was.
In 2003, this place was way different. Maybe e-bikes are the price one pays for trying to be all-inclusive. Perhaps other more niche websites would be more suited to those who truly have the hate on.
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 @BenPea: I ride 8 speed and it costs a tenth less at least than the new stuff and there is no need for massive ring where I ride
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 They're starting to look more and more like motorcycles and now being spec'd with 29 up front ands 27.5 on the rear that's motorcycle territory I don't know of any motorcycles with the same sized wheels front and rear, I've got nothing against e bikes they have been around for years it's just know different brands are trying different things it's just evolution although I do think they should only be aloud on e bike specific trails and I think the trails could be built to push the e bike to the absolute limit
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 I think the current Foes Mixer has been out two years now....if you “want more time to evaluate” this wheel combination, why not put some more time in on it...feels like the little brands don’t get much credit...

foesracing.com/bikes/frames/foes-mixer-enduro
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 And if you think eBikes are something new:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YXDL7P7_zY (French)
Freewheel in the crankset, so you can recharge the batteries when going downhill -- something this extremely expensive Canyon motorbike cannot do.

My countryman Gaston and his "Bidule" batteries :
latetedansleguidon.blogspot.be/2011/07/bidule.html (Belgian French)
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 In my opinion ebikes is wrong way. Better they develop something like small electrical motocross bike without any assist but with powerful engine
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 pretty sure that's been done already but if it doesn't need to be pedaled it is a motorbike and not a mountain bike so you have loads of land access issues and things like that. plus insurance if its to be used on the road. I have no problem with e-bikes, they allow people who might not be able to ride as easily to carry on riding or allow people to ride for further. i haven't ridden one off road yet but i certainly wouldn't have a problem with having a go. I struggle with my knees some times and an e-bike could take the strain off and allow me to ride further. I look forward to seeing the technology trickle down and see where we get to.
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 agree! 3800€ for a submotorized pedal assist 2 wheel vehicle???
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 @TDMAN: nice price for a moped, why not?
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 It's been discussed ad nauseam but electric motorbikes are already on the market, they are actually starting to be at a level of performance close to SX bikes, and of course they do not look anything like a eMTB.
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 @b-wicked: "yeahhh"
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 Well.. it has a bottle mount so quit hating!
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 Great to see an E-MTB with the hybrid configuration. Last bike with hybrid configuration which was officially sold in Germany, the Bulls Duro hardtail, was quite a letdown! Although it's look are far from typical Canyon ones i'm excited to see how it compares to the Radon Slide 140 Hybrid, which my wife likes very much! Could be a bike for her to keep up with my pace!
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 Considering the experiences I made with the Canyon customer support of my non powered bike I would never ever buy a Canyon e-bike. No matter how good and cheap they might be!
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 Cassette wears well?? Is this a good thing or not? Sounds like $$$$ every time that motor rips my drive train to shreds. Cool motor bike tho????
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 Canyon I'm beg you if you reed this PLEASE MAKE Spectral 29er with threaded bottom bracket !
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 Oh look, it's e-bike week again.
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 Spectral:ON does everything asked of an eMTB and keeps things simple...hmmm Big Grin
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 Part of me can't wait to get old and decrepit enough to ride one of these things without feeling like a lazy tw@t
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 ????this
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 Walking into a bikeshop right now is downright disgusting. 50% of the bikes have a motor. I guess it's a business model...
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 not really direct pricing compared to other ebikes.
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 ...and here we go again.. Why do people actually comment on that here??
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 #metoo
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 everyone complaining about e-bikes: go for e t-E-stride first! then complain Wink
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 Hey, I wouldn't mind riding an e-bike for a day if I had Fabien Barel as a guide!
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 Why do canyons always have long seat tubes.
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 Good but not for me..
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 It got Bootle mount
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 commencal meta on steroids!
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 this one is not ugly!
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 If I see another ebike test instead of bike bye bye pinkbike
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 You could just not bother to open the article and then not bother to scroll to the bottom and then not bother to comment.
Would be almost like you hadn’t been bothered to be interested then.
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 no ones gonna miss you, especially if you are too dumb to simply ignore ebike related articles
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 Excellent. Quick, do another e-bike test!
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 Adiós,que te diviertas!
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 I love departure speeches
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 @Lejla: I advise just because of all the good times I've had with pinkbike. It's my thoughts and this a comments section. Pinkbike deserves better than ebike in my opinion.
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 @vinay: hahaha
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 what a silly man .. lol

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