Canyon Preparing for US Launch

Feb 2, 2017
by Canyon  
Last May, Canyon announced their plans to expand into the United States, and according to the press release below, those plans are getting closer to becoming a reality. Canyon says that by the beginning of Q3 (which means July in non-business speak) customers will be able to purchase bikes online and have them delivered to their front doors. The concept of direct-to-consumer bike sales is still fairly new in North America, but the number of options is growing, and given the size of Canyon and the depth of their product offerings their entry into the market could shake things up even further. Read on for further details as provided by Canyon. - Mike Kazimer

Canyon Bikes

Press Release

Germany’s Canyon Bicycles GmbH has today announced continued progress in their launch of direct-to-consumer sales in the United States. Beginning in Q3 of 2017, U.S. riders will be able to purchase Canyon’s German designed and engineered road bikes, mountain bikes, and triathlon bikes for direct delivery to their home or office in the United States.

“Canyon has been selling the world’s best engineered and most innovative bicycles direct to consumers for years, and we quickly demonstrated in Germany, throughout Europe and beyond, that our riders can expect the highest level of service and quality when buying online,” stated Canyon Founder & CEO, Roman Arnold. Arnold began in the industry over 30 years ago and has progressed from importing parts, to running a retail business, to establishing the Canyon brand in 2002 and selling online in 2003. “2008 was the first year international sales surpassed German sales and our brand has continued to grow strongly across the globe ever since. For us, entering the U.S. marks the next big step for Canyon.”

“For many years, we have heard from riders wanting Canyon to come to the U.S. so they can have access to the same award-winning bikes ridden by top professionals across a range of disciplines,” said Frank Aldorf, Canyon Chief Brand Officer. “We are pleased to announce that we will be able to share the Canyon experience in the United States, with direct sales of our bikes beginning in Q3 of this year.” Canyon has secured a warehouse facility in Southern California, and is in the process of choosing a location for management operations and dedicated U.S. customer service. Key staff have been hired, with other positions in the process of being filled. Continuing updates and event announcements can be found at the dedicated U.S. website online at www.canyon.com.

Canyon Bikes

Canyon has always been at the forefront of engineering, design, and setting the highest quality standards in the industry. The Canyon R&D Department is currently made up of some 50 engineers, designers, product managers and quality controllers. Strength in these areas truly sets Canyon apart as a brand, with innovation and expertise as the top priorities in all processes, from research, to design, to production, to delivery. Canyon also rely on the world’s top professionals in every discipline as integral parts of the R&D process. Teams and athletes include CANYON//SRAM Racing, Movistar Team with Giro and Vuelta winner Nairo Quintana, Team Katusha–Alpecin with ITT World Champion Tony Martin, Ironman Triathlon World Champion Jan Frodeno, Leadville 100 Course Record holder Alban Lakata, and the recently announced Canyon Factory Downhill Team, lead up by Troy Brosnan.

“It is incredibly rewarding to work with such driven competitors like Troy who is new to the Canyon family. The first time he raced on the Sender CF in Australia, he won,” said Aldorf. “But what’s even more important is to remember why we work with riders like him in the first place: we remain continually focused on our goal of democratizing performance – that means making bikes available to consumers who previously could not attain such a high level of innovation, engineering, and quality.”


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Canyon athlete Darren Berrecloth aboard his Sender.

Frequently Asked Questions

When will bikes be for sale in the US?

Bikes will be available Q3 this year. This is to ensure only model year 2018 inventory, reducing overlap of model years and streamlining efficiencies.

What kind of staffing will there be in the U.S.? What is progress on hiring these people?

We will have full-time staff in the U.S. for our warehouse and office operations. We will have dedicated US customer service staff as this is of top importance to Canyon. Customer service is one of our core functions when entering a new market. We are in the process of filling those positions and will be posting some additional job opportunities shortly.

Where will bikes be assembled?

All Canyon bikes are designed and engineered in Germany. We think "customer first" and in the interest of delivering the best buying experience to consumers who have been waiting the longest of Canyon bikes, we have now decided to go a hybrid way in our supply chain strategy. Some bikes purchased by U.S. customers will be assembled at our state-of-the-art Canyon factory in Koblenz, but in the interest of efficiency and to ensure that U.S. riders have the same high level of prompt service as in Europe, we will also be assembling some bikes in Asia, with final touch preparations being handled in the U.S.. Every single bike delivered to a U.S. customer will be pre-assembled and prepared with the same meticulous process and obsessive attention to detail as in our Koblenz facility.

Will there be a service center in the U.S.?

Our Southern California office will function as our U.S. service center, with dedicated staff.

How will Bikes be delivered in the U.S.?

U.S. customers will receive their Canyons exactly in the same manner as Canyon riders around the world, in our custom Canyon Bike Guard box. Bikes are pre-tuned and require almost no assembly, ready-to-ride in under 15 minutes. Bikes that are shown as 'in stock' on our website will ship within two weeks, typically sooner. The exact timing depends on our volume of orders on any given day, but once an order is placed for an in stock model, final touch is executed and the bike is shipped immediately.


Which bikes will be available in the US and what will pricing be?

Canyon is all about "democratizing performance” - that is part of our success model and our ever-growing fan base globally. We will make sure to keep this promise to our U.S. customers as well. The majority of bikes offered will be the same as in Europe and pricing will be comparable. Exact stock and pricing is not 100% finalized as we are negotiating with some of our component suppliers in regards to their model year 2018 offerings.



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315 Comments

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 Canyon....making America great again.

Until The Don catches wind of it, and slaps 20% on the prices.

Good luck, USA Smile

Having just purchased a Strive, the delivery process was simple - Germany to NZ in ten days. Schweeeet! No hassles from Canyon's end at all.
  • + 320
 Fuck trump.
  • + 51
 @mlr428: that just put a horrid image in my mind, but yes I agree-figuratively
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flag Wouldhaveletmego (Feb 2, 2017 at 5:09) (Below Threshold)
 @mlr428: I voted for him and I'll do it again
  • + 46
 If/when The Fascist Tangerine does that it will affect pricing on all bikes, after all Spesh, Trek, Giant and co all make 99% of their bikes in the far east too. Barring Trek's pretty tiny number of 9.9 series bikes.
  • + 8
 @Fix-the-Spade: don't forget their XXX carbon wheels those are made here too! Lol
  • + 7
 Same thing trying to buy something in Europe, you get stuck with a stupid 35% VAT which makes it not worth it!
  • - 6
flag bask3t (Feb 2, 2017 at 6:43) (Below Threshold)
 @mlr428: CTR Shill
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 @orastreet1: Well, if you buy something from Europe overseas you can get a VAT refund. Is a bit of effort, but it works. Canyon automatically deducts the German VAT if you purchase from outside the EU. Of course it is one's own responsibility to pay any applicable VAT/import duty in your home country.
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 Obama would have been more likely to tax that. I am in the US with a Strive purchased from Canyon and Im looking for ward to getting repairs on this POS. Shapeshifter in particular. My hassles were HUGE . sat in customs for 3 months. Canyon quit answering my emails.
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flag mhoshal (Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Wouldhaveletmego: I don't even get all this trump hate lol. Must be because I'm Canadian and possibly stupid but
I mean he did get voted in didn't he? Clearly the majority of the American people wanted it right!?! I know that this is gonna get down voted. I'd just like an honest answer not just oh we hate him because everyone else does. I mean I get why feminists hate him shit they hate me because I'm a middle aged white guy who likes P*ssy lol. You praise a Obama when he just did the same shit as bush for eight years but yet bush sucked lol now trump hasn't even been in for a month and every one hates him. Personally I think Americans and their political views are f*cked!!!!
  • + 50
 @mhoshal:
Actually he lost the popular vote by around 3 million votes. He won the electoral college vote. Which equated to him winning 4-5 counties in a few high point states by a few hundred thousand. So that is some of the butt hurt. And now he is calling voter fraud on the fact he lost the popular vote.
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 @mhoshal: so Americans are f*cked? ? ?
  • + 35
 @mhoshal: he lost the vote by over three million votes, but was elected due to our outdated (by 150 years) Electoral College.He won a lot of small states which have a disproportionate number of electoral votes, compared to their population. His appeal is classic demagoguery. Tell people simplistic things, (like the coal miners jobs are coming back) Find someone to blame-democrats,the press, Mexicans, etc. etc.
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 @mhoshal: Well actually, the majority (if we go simply by majority) wanted Clinton to be president. She got 2.8 million more votes than Trump. However, instead of going by simple majority, the US votes by state, each state being given a points value, most points wins election. Trump got the right states to vote for him, got more points than Clinton, got into the White House. He's the fifth President to achieve that, although the margin by which he 'lost' the vote is by far the largest.
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 @mhoshal: for starters and this is just the stuff he did up until October. Since he took office he has basically started turning the world against us. Just yesterday he insulted the leader of Australia who has been a keen ally since WW2. He told the mexican president he was going to send our military in, for what I don't know.
he's just a disgusting creature. basically, if u watch fox news u love him, if u don't watch fox news u probably hate him.

www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/21/1584626/-400-Reasons-Not-to-Vote-for-Trump
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flag TheRaven Plus (Feb 2, 2017 at 7:35) (Below Threshold)
 @mhoshal: This is America. You've lived next door all your life and you didn't know this? We're a bunch of morons...far too concerned with offending people and hurting their feelings to actually do anything useful. Trump doesn't care about feelings and we're hurt by that. So we cry.

Is Trump actually going to fix anything? No idea. But he has tackled more difficult, vital issues in two weeks than Obama did in 8 years, so who knows maybe he'll do some good.
  • + 0
 @MX298: absolutely not just when it comes to politics!! I can't say Hillary supporters are any better than trump supporters when I turn on the boobtube and see Hillary supporters looting a Starbucks of all places lmao only in America!!!
  • + 51
 @mhoshal: Can we all please discuss politics on Facebook or something?! Didn't you all want Canyon to come to the US?! They are doing so, so focus. Screw politics!
  • - 13
flag mhoshal (Feb 2, 2017 at 7:42) (Below Threshold)
 @MTB-Colada: Hey man blame the Americans for bringing up in the first place lol!!
  • + 48
 @mhoshal: Dude, just because you're from Canada doesn't give you an excuse not to be informed. Do some research if you're curious. But then again your opinion of Obama and comparison to Bush would suggest you didn't research that before making an opinion. Also, don't stereotype Americans - pretty much 1/2 didn't vote for Trump, and I suspect many just didn't vote thinking he didn't have a chance. PS, have you ever spent much time in the US? Might be good for you to take a bike trip and meet some people. Stereotyping is a big part of the problem.
  • + 34
 @codypup: the electoral college is in place largely to keep highly populated areas from deciding the presidency. Electoral college does that. Without it, California, New York and Chicago would decide our presidency every election. Thats not really the voice of the country is it? Why would a candidate even bother to campaign or consider middle class corn fed America? Not like their vote counts in a popular vote. Why would a candidate cater to these folks? If this had been switched and Trump won the Popular and lost the college, Democrats would be praising the system.
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 @codypup: Horse crap. Living in a sea of people in a 100 story vertical building doing nothing but being a consumer and trying to out vote an entire state that provides all your 1000's of air gobbling, self loving masses with food, oil, dirt, rock, concrete, marble, coal, power all the while dealing with your pollutant, wasteful and gluttonous biohazards that get dumped on our "dirt" and sicken the rest of the country while not actually taking care of it is why the electoral college exists.

If it didn't masses of people in cities would just outvote property owners in rural areas to just take their assets, mine their fiels, forests and food away from them. Get your head out of your ass. One island in New York state or a bunch of delapidated and overpopulated crapholes in California would don't get to decide how the rest of the country lives, breathes or eats.

Urban America has no concept of any world outside their self-absorbed concrete and steel bubble.
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flag mhoshal (Feb 2, 2017 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 @draggcj: so are you actually gonna show me something that effects you personally on a day to day basis or are you just gonna keep showing me random shit that has no effect on your life whatsoever?? All I see is you whining about shit that doesn't even effect you in the least!!!
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 @sunringlerider: you can't predict a popular vote outcome based on numbers achieved during an electoral vote. If the popular vote mattered then the entire campaign strategy would be different. Trump would simply have had to say lies to Latinos and he could have easily won a popular vote in that case.
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 @mhoshal: affect
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 @mhoshal: (re: response to @draggcj) Oh my.... hey mhoshal, maybe you should apply for a position with Trumps "alternate fact Dept.", I'm sure they would appreciate someone with your convictions.
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flag mhoshal (Feb 2, 2017 at 9:09) (Below Threshold)
 @owlie: so you can call me out on spelling but not answer the simple question? Sorry my phone decides how sh*t is spelled and I don't waste my time proof reading it my bad.
  • + 5
 @mhoshal: time for some down vote: Democrats tend to be very vocal about their positions. They are protesting in droves, the Main Stream Media is picking up on this and the world is seeing this outcry. Whereas conservatives tend to be very "conservative" about their stance on politics. Usually they dont throw rocks ayt building and march down the street yelling at cops. That would be seen as racist. Instead conservatives ramp up and vot much better in the upcoming elections. I think thats why you are seeing the big 3 held by Republicans this round. But if you ask, people arent all "yea I voted for trump" but obviously people did.
  • + 1
 @draggcj: Actually, no matter which main stream media outlet you choose you probably will not like him. MSM is such a plague on the minds of an uninformed population. I have not heard any tarrifs being raised on foreign companies looking to sell products in the US, only tarrifs for American companies manufacturing in foreign companies. Yes, this will have an effect on the bicycle industry. However, I think it is unethical for a company to try to get their consumer to pay for taxes that the company accrues for their own business practices. We are the consumer and we speak to these companies by spending our money. If you dont like a price hike, dont buy that companies products.In this industry, with so many small companies competing, the ones who dont do justice to their consumers is the ones who are not going to last.

And now, back to bikes. Anybody know where the job postings can be found for the socal HQ? I definitely wouldnt mind trying to land a dream job in the bike industry.
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 @sunringlerider: Don't be naive. Take California out of the equation because they always go liberal, and Texas to balance it out, and Trump won the rest of the country by a landslide. Electoral college is good, otherwise every election would be decided by California. All you entitled millenials need to stop your whining when you don't get your way.
  • + 0
 Don't reply on politics. You don't know what you're talking about for one. Second, we come here to talk shop not political biases. Third Hillary would of be worse despite what the liberal media reports. Fourth, Democrats are the ones raising taxes not Republicans. Fifth, Democrats overspend money on social programs that don't yield long-term results but only appeal to their liberal base and majority of voters with false promises. Sixth, Democratic run states/ cities have more problems than Republican run ones. Seven, Don't believe the media. Lastly, STFU about politics!!!
  • + 2
 @Wouldhaveletmego:
?? Yes I understand that. I was simply answering his question of why all butt hurt. You say you voted for him but also say he would have just had to lie to the latinos to get their vote? Lol wut?
So are you saying you were lied to and believed it enough to vote?

Enough of this shit. Bikes!!

Bikes for president.
  • + 0
 @mlr428: the US is 20 Trillion in debt from all the liberal giveaways. Hell yea I voted for trump. Is he perfect ? NO but at least he is changing s#!t. Anyone with any form of education understands this. I am waiting for all the Hilary supporters to move to Canada!
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 @orastreet1: VAT should be deducted from any e-commerce site. I've ordered 3 frames and several orders from CRC, VAT is removed when you add it to the cart.
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 @McNubbin:
Whoooow dude. Where did that come from?
I see we have different opinions on what landslide means. Yes that is true. In many states it was fairly close in actual votes. However those complied to the large electoral win. Why are you so angry over someone having questions about or election process? Oh ya blame the millennialis? Ha. Also, don't call someone and entitled millennial when you are unaware who you are speaking at.
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flag mhoshal (Feb 2, 2017 at 9:55) (Below Threshold)
 @trillot: so because you don't have a good argument for me you just out and out attack me lmao you're a f*cken loser!!!
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flag jrocksdh (Feb 2, 2017 at 10:03) (Below Threshold)
 @MX298: ya havnt you heard? Of course they(leftists) dont want to hear about how f'd millions of us got from OBAMA..whether from obamacare, family in military(vets), epa regs...liberty.
That said, conservatives are very concerned about losing even more liberty under trump thru tariffs and the ability to do business when and where as long as not with an enemy of state.
Interesting how china has gotten a pass even after stealing usa property.
  • + 15
 @owlie: that is a load of unadulterated bullshit. the electoral college is a relic of the country's racist past, when the southern elites were afraid that they would lose elections... their population was mostly slaves, who couldnt vote. so they created this crap system, where slaves counted as 3/5 of a vote for electoral college purposes, and for representative in congress) So why is it still in place? its to allow minorities, like the brownshirt trump voters to win. how long do you think this system would be in place if a liberal lost the popular vote but was installed like Bush in 2000 or Trump on 2016? In what sane democracy is a leader installed with 26% of the eligible vote? in what sane democracy does a person get to win when they had 74million votes cast against them, as opposed to 63milion for them? why should a trump voter in wyoming have their vote be 6 to 7 times more important than a voter in california? the electoral college is a deeply undemocratic system. Yes, we have more people in LA and chicago and new york, therefore their concerns and votes should be worth more (collectively) than the few dumbasses living in east buttf*ck oklahoma. and yes, in a democracy, the leaders should cater to the majority, that's why its called a democracy... we have the courts and the legislature (including an undemocratic senate) to protect the minority from possible "tyranny of the majority" problems.
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flag jrocksdh (Feb 2, 2017 at 10:06) (Below Threshold)
 @codypup: outdated electoral college? So you want only a few states to rule?
Usa is a representative republic. So you suggest doing away with senators and having a pairlamant then right?
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: soros funded organized disrupters...code pink, black lives matter..its all soros $ and 'rules for radicals' play book tactics to disrupt the opposition-get the drive by media to portay that this is widespread and organic. Suckers
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 @Wouldhaveletmego: Then you're a bell-end twice over.

What has to happen to someone as a kid to turn him into something that would vote for Trump?
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 @orastreet1: "Same thing trying to buy something in Europe, you get stuck with a stupid 35% VAT which makes it not worth it!"

It's not the same thing AT ALL.
  • + 2
 @adamkovics: agreed, consider the following

the electoral college as it is currently set up is a byproduct of what you state: allow the middle states to have an equivalent voice in the vote for the presidency. As it is, the electoral college is only scaled down to the state level (the decision to scale down to the state level is antiquated and only done so based on the accuracy of vote counting that was available - I believe it was in the 70s, the date is iffy in my head).

The current technology allows vote count accuracy down to the district level. This eliminates the whole campaigning by the state level issue. If this was done, entire states wouldnt go to just one candidate...not quite a popular vote but one that I consider to be a very feasible solution to the problem.

let's not forget that we trump is only a puppet, his freak tea party cabinet are the ones to really worry about o'bannon and pence the brains behind the operation. trump is a decoy and is simply there to detract attention from the real issues./actions that this administration is going to enact. unfortunately, the media doesnt seem to care about it anything 'trump' is clickbait

- stay woke people, shit has hit the fan -
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 @Wouldhaveletmego: the sad thing is dump Trump would have let you go guy.
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 @owlie: "Without it, California, New York and Chicago would decide our presidency every election"

You're saying that these voters' opinions don't count as much as those of other voters, you idiot!
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 @Beez177 wrote: "Second, we come here to talk shop not political biases"

Then:

"Third Hillary would of be worse despite what the liberal media reports".

Hysterical! And you don't even know why, do you?
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 @jrocksdh: "outdated electoral college? So you want only a few states to rule? "

That's EXACTLY what happens, f*ckwit!
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 @Beez177: it's all POLITRICKS
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 @adamkovics: No, it's not bullshit. He's 100% right. The Electoral college was created to give citizens outside urban populations a voice. That's absolute fact. Every time we have a close election like this where the EC and Pop vote do not agree, the talk rises again about doing away with the EC. It never happens, why? Because we're smarter than that.

Also, name one "sane democracy". Good luck. Give power to a population, a large percentage of whom could be considered less than sane, and you'll end up with insanity. Precisely why we don't have a democracy in the US.

@ledude: OK this I can go along with. Yes, the idea of "winner takes all" states needs to be updated, I do agree with that. However, this idea has been explored and deemed less than desirable due to it's effect on the major media outlets (remember they are HUGE political contributors in more ways than just financial)...we would no longer know the outcome of the presidential election within 24 hours of the polls closing. It would take at least 3 weeks...which would also necessitate the pushing back of the inaguration, or the pulling forward of the election itself. Still I think it's something we need to look at implementing.

Oh, and shit hit the fan almost 30 years ago. Why is everyone only freaking out now?
  • + 2
 @TheRaven:

forget the media and anything/anyone else that is influencing the democratic process...that should never happen in the first place - unfortunate that is it.

30 years ago, the US govt decided that corporations and the profits garnered from them would take priority over the greater population of the Union. theyre freaking out about it now b/c that decision and its implications are no longer bubbling below the surface - took the general population way to long to care about it let alone do anything about.

step 1: abolish corporate 'personhood'
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: Those are trustafarian wannabe black block "anarchists" - you know, the No Gods No Masters (a couple credit cards, though) people.
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 @KeithReeder: First, personal insults don't make your ineffective arguments any better. Second, you're wrong. "a few states" did not decide this or any other EC win. Saying that that's what happened is like saying that the 3 millionth vote that gives a candidate (for anything) 51% is the one vote that mattered. Nope. It needed 2,999,999 other votes or it wouldn't have even moved the needle.

The point is that our popular vote would not work this way. Without the EC, candidates would only campaign in CA, NY, TX and FL and could receive NO VOTES IN ANY OTHER STATE, and still win the election. That's why the EC is not going away. The US is a republic, and to operate successfully as such, it needs weighted districts.
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 @ledude: True - Trump is an orange herring.
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 @endlessblockades: why can't people see that though !? it is so damn obvious!
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 @mlr428: I fully agree but if we're ever going to get out of our problems the only solution is to be able to genuinely listen to the other side, even if it's bullshit! People don't listen to opposing rhetoric but a kind friend who shares thoughtfully can have huge impact on the world. My goal is not to stop Trump but to convince my family white privilege is a thing
  • - 1
 @McNubbin: take california out of the equation? take 1/8 of the population out of the country out of the equation? yeah, if you want to just remove voters, i guess trump would win. and CA has 50% more people (39million vs 27m) than TX, so that's not really a fair trade
  • + 2
 @ledude: Just curious - because I see thought it, and have since the beginning - what do you propose those who "see through it" should do or should have done?
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 @owlie: the only thing worse than the tyranny of the majority, which you seem to be against, is the tyranny of the minority. 20% of the country voted trump in due to our outdated electoral system, and now that minority is making the rules for the majority that voted against trump. doesn't seem very fair to me
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 @adamkovics: Those southern elites that you refer to are democrats historically. Yes, democrats were the party fighting for slavery and brought things like the KKK to fruition. Read some history books...

Also, no matter how you look at it the vote of each citizen is worth the same amount. In order for an electoral college vote to be cast in your favor you have to get out and vote and beat out the competition. Some states do have more influence than others (ie. CA-55 and TX-3Cool but it does not take away from the fact that the person of each state need to vote in order for their electorates to vote in their favor.

For state elections, the voting process is purely democratic (majority wins). For the presidential vote it has to be evened out by the electoral college otherwise Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Chicago, and New York City would make the decision for the whole country. On a federal level, America is not a definition democracy. It is a Democratic Republic.
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 @TheRaven:

people should have been calling their senate and house reps en masse screaming bloody hell anytime the house/senate had passed legislation that they disagreed with. general population is doing it NOW, thats why you see the dem's starting to hold firm a little bit now (granted, they're still late to the party).

its hard to make a difference when there aren't too many voices sharing their opposition to their elected officials legislations, but when executed en masses through organized platforms, it works.

pesonally, i've thrown away my democratic affiliation. They're all the same Democrats/Republicans, their pockets are lined with corporate blood money...

this whole 2 party system is f*cken stupid...built for stupid population that is being groomed to be stupid that cant see beyond black/white. The govt doesnt want an informed population, they want a population that is ill-informed and doesnt see through the click bait of corporate media. solution: the population needs to wake up, call their reps and blow their shit up...they will listen...or get voted out. the people need to take back their government from the corporate raiders.

sorry for the long posts...
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 @KeithReeder: Nothing. You just have to see the state of our country as a whole, use a little common sense to recognize the failings that our two party system has created, see an outlier like Trump who is a change agent, then vote to MAGA!

Yes, maybe a lot of the issues that are affecting everyone affect myself directly, but I have kids. One day, my kids will have to raise children in this country. The way our government was currently handling things was unsustainable.
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 @xeren: There were 231,556,622 registered voters in the US as of 11/8/2016. The final counts were:

Clinton: 65,844,610 (28%)
Trump: 62,979,636 (27%)
Others: 7,804,213 (3%)
Didn't vote: 92,671,979 (40%)

So please explain where this majority who voted against Trump is, cause it's not in the official results of the election.
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 @ledude: "this whole 2 party system is f*cken stupid...built for stupid population that is being groomed to be stupid that cant see beyond black/white. The govt doesnt want an informed population, they want a population that is ill-informed and doesnt see through the click bait of corporate media. solution: the population needs to wake up, call their reps and blow their shit up...they will listen...or get voted out. the people need to take back their government from the corporate raiders."

Amen.
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 @xeren: think about where all your food is grown and your resources come from. . . . It's not from a concrete city. Without them you would starve and your phone and car would not work. Electoral College is a must!
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 @MX298: Canadia doesnt want them. Hell their immigration policy is stricter than the US
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 Did you pay any customs/import tax to get it to NZ?

If so, how much?
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 @xeren: oh and a little fact. Of the 3141 counties in the US, Trump won 3084 and Hillary won 57. Think about that for awhile!
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 @TheRaven: fair enough, a plurality of voters voted against trump, and for hillary. (65m vs 62m)
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 @MX298: most of our food comes from california, a blue state. think about where everything else you consume comes from - it comes from cities. without them, your car definitely would not work, because it wouldn't have been designed in the first place.

the electoral college essentially gives more votes to rural states. it's fundamentally undemocratic, and the senate (2 senators regardless of state population) already gives rural states an inflated influence. and i'm fine with inflated influence through the senate, i'm not fine with it in our executive branch, and by extension, our legislative branch
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 @McNubbin: Well said. Thank you...
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 @MX298: counties? who care about counties? some counties have like 4 people in them
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 Wow the comments are blowing up about our press release on PB!!!!..............oh. -Canyon Marketing Team
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 @Beez177: Agreed. Now, as far as the bike industry and MTB goes and solely this aspect: Republican in office that is wanting to lift regulations, limit government and slash the EPA in half sounds like it would be good news for keeping trails open. This could lead to allowing previously closed areas to be opened. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it's the Liberals that are trying to regulate via EPA. Now I'm not against keeping things clean and friendly for generations to come, but the government is far too fat and happy right now. As far as taxing imports, the companies can do as they see fit to charge extra or not. Maybe it will lead to new bike factories in the USA! Honestly kinda shocked how many comments on here are for the Left at least from the US
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 @xeren: The reality is that a measly 2% more people voted for Hillary. This 20% nonsense is being blown way out of proportion. The real story is why 40% of the registered voting population DIDN'T VOTE. Whether out of frustration for having no sane option, or just apathy, if even 75% of those who didn't vote would have voted for, say, Gary Johnson, we would at less have turned a no-win situation into a situation with a glimmer of hope. But no, people would rather NOT VOTE than vote for someone who "can't win". Want someone or something to blame for where we are now? That's it, right there.
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 @TheRaven: They didn't vote because Uber had surge pricing that night. And yes, they use rideshare to go a block, the self-entitled, short-sighted, f@cks.
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 @TheRaven: well, i agree with you about voter apathy. 3m people is not a measly amount though
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 @xeren: No no no no no no. Wow you are all kinds of wrong today.

Most of our food does NOT come from California. That's terribly misleading. California is the largest food producing state by value, true. But it only accounts for about 11% of our domestic food production. CA could completely go away and the worst that would happen (food-related) is that prices would go up significantly.

And cars...what?! The automobile was not created in the city, it is not exclusively produced in cities, it's not even produced in majority in cities. Most automobile manufacturers are headquartered in cities due to the convenience and abundant workforce. Again cities could go away completely and it would do nothing more than make the automobile more expensive.

The EC still gives most votes to urban populations...the most populus states (population density is directly correlated to amount of urban territory in a given district) have the most EC votes. Look no further than your own darling state for proof of that...how many EC votes does CA have?
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 @xeren: But 2% is.
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 @endlessblockades: Yes, 92.6M people could not get a ride to the polls so they attempted to all use the same service and could not afford it due to price hikes. These were all Hillary supporters, of course.

Wow, how could I have not thought of this!?
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 @TheRaven: Jill Stein, actually. Had they gotten off their asses she could have gotten the 5% needed to begin to legitimize this phony one-party 'democracy'.


Birgitta Jónsdóttir
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 @endlessblockades: Sure. The problem is Jill Stein is certifiable and almost as scary as Trump himself. But, i'll give you the fact that it would have been a GREAT disruption to the entrenched establishment, and that in itself would be a huge accomplishment.
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 @bizutch: Overpopulated crapholes... bold. Where do you live in the USA that is so special?
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 @ischiller: dude, his whole post was a massive generalization of anything that he doesnt align with. write it off as 'alternative facts'
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 @TheRaven: the raven is educated! Obviously didnt go to berkley lol!
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 @TheRaven: Yes, not because I like jill but to gain the federal funding afforded to a party gaining 5% of the vote. Any seminal alternative to 2 cheeks of the same ass
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 @adamkovics: let me learn u somthn...usa is a little d democracy, that is, not a majority rule Democracy based on a representative republic. And learn your history about al gore's dad and the kkk and how it was the left that out people in internment camps.
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 @TheRaven: let's not forget that the polling leading up to the election WAS ACCURATE...most of the seminal polls had Clinton winning by anywhere from 2-3 points...lo and behold, clinton wins by the predicted margin (via the popular vote). the electoral college vote - obviously a different outcome.

the only poll that consistently predicted the election outcome correctly was the USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll - their main difference in technique was including more complexity and nuance into the polling (summary of course).
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 @KeithReeder: go suck a huge hairy one
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 @owlie: How did you manage to buy a Canyon and get it in the US? I'd like to get one now and not wait for late 2017 early 2018.
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 @TheRaven: CA has 55 electoral votes. if it was accurately represented, it would have 70. that's 21% under-representation. and yet we pay more in federal taxes than we receive back. sounds like taxation without representation to me...

my apologies, i meant that CA produces more food than any other state, more than the rest combined. but if you think food prices going up would be a *minor* concern, we don't have any more to talk about.

i said designed, not built. the FIRST automobile might not have been created in the city, but do you really think ANY cars these days are designed in Waco, TX? no, they're all designed in major cities, where all the brain power is. where all the tax revenue propping up the red states comes from.

for every dollar that CA pays in taxes, it only gets back about 80 cents in aid. where do those extra 20 cents go? to all the moocher red states that barely contribute to our economy, but get a much greater say in where our country goes. yeah, that sounds fair
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 @TheRaven: *not* more than the rest combined
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 @ledude: Amen brother. In 12 days this world has gone batshit bonkers.
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 @onetrykid: GST is included in the payment to Canyon. Then, because the purchase is over $1000, you will be called up by UPS, once the bike is on it's way, for them to send you a customs form to complete so you become registered with customs. Once you send this back it takes about four days for customs to put your name in the computer which means when the bike lands it should be no more than 24hrs until you actually take delivery. Unless it lands on a Friday, and then you get it first thing Tuesday morning, like me Smile

You track it online once sent too...from Koblenz, to Changi, to Auckland, to where ever you are Smile

What you see on the Canyon screen for price is all that you pay.
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 Drump is looking to abolish the Johnson amendment now. One huge step back for seperation of church and state and one big step forward for theocracy.
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 Peanuts compared to the 100% tax on european motorcycles the the US beef industry wants to charge. www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/news/a32336/the-american-beef-industry-wants-a-100-tax-on-european-motorcycles
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 @xeren: I would add that California contributes $1.00 to the federal government for every $.78 we get in return, so us Californians are supporting their sorry cracker asses while their Montana/South Dakota, whatever vote essentially counts for six times what mine does.

The electoral college was created to support slave states in the US. It has no place in today's world. If small states are looking for equality, look no further than the fact that a state with two million people gets the same number of US Senators as California and New York.

Also, the states that elected the current president can have him. We'll keep the internet, invented here. And mountain bikes. Invented here.
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 @codypup: F&%* yeah. Well put.
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 @sunringlerider: Actually he lost by more than 3 million votes if you include those who voted for independent candidates.
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 @elpsstoffo: Mexico!!. and a bit of smuggling
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 @handynzl: The import duties to get a canyon into mexico equaled 26%
28% percent to Ireland (my backup choice). this had to be paid before it was released from customs. The Nogs from Germany didnt send the right paperwork with the bike to be released from customs. When I inquired they went silent and never returned another email
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 @codypup: ah, yeah, $.78, not $.80. even worse than I remember!

We prop them up with our tax money and they get to pretend like their conservative policies are working on their own. Not that it's ever going to happen, but if federal taxes were abolished for everything but military (a conservatives' dream, btw), the red states would rot in record time, and the blue states would be doing better than ever.

What's funny is you talk to a trump supporter and ask them how california is doing, and they'll tell you it's bankrupt or nearly bankrupt. These are the "alternative fact" bubbles they live in. Sorry, but CA is killing it. Our
"debt" is largely municipal debt from cities, not at the state level, we're running a budget surplus, and if CA was its own country, it would have the 6th largest GDP of any nation in the world.
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 @xeren: What about your regulations and cost of living? What does $200k get you in Southern california for a home. Smog tests on lawnmowers? Wanna see booming states? Texas
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 @owlie: I'm not so sure what regulations cause problems in my life. Native CA here. Texas, yeah I've been there. I'd rather rent the rest of my life than live in Houston or Dallas. Give me the mountain biking in Santa Cruz any day over Texas. Austin, perhaps but Ima nope out and say CA one ups Texas on many different levels.
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 @ischiller: Conservatives like to point out cost of living and cost of housing differences. It's the simple law of supply and demand... the more people trying to live somewhere drives the cost up. They like to pretend to know "markets" but somehow do not remember to rationalize housing costs with it.
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 @inverted180: regulation drives the cost of building a home. hows that?
@ischiller I was pointing out texas is a really good economy.
You brag about the GDP, but your Govt spending is more than DOUBLE any other state (except New York and well you can see the trend here). So there you go, you get Oakland. You make a lot of money as a state, but the govt helps you spend it. Imagine a GDP like that and half the govt spending whoa. Thats conservatism.
California spending: $537.6b oh and the State Debt: $464.2B
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 @inverted180: Convservative mindset - The ACA (obamacare) is socialism but giving tax breaks and farm subsidies to millionaires and billionaires isn't.

If you can hang in CA, good for you. Takes talent and hardwork.
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 @owlie: "regulation drives the cost of building a home. hows that?"

that's a nice talking point but you will actually have to do some research and explain how regulations are driving the high cost of home ownership and not supply and demand.

Wait I'll save you the time....differences in regulation do not make up a significant difference of the initial cost of home.
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 @owlie: That may have been conservatism in the past. Now conservatism has been hijacked to mean something altogether different. Mostly the infusion of religion into politics. Or giving way to corporations. Or ignoring climate change based on a “lack of facts”. Which is ironic if you think about faith in a religion and none into data showing climate change.

Oakland - there are definitely bad parts to Oakland but there are some incredibly expensive parts with multi million dollar homes. I'm sure there are some bad parts in Texas. Just like any other state.

Well, hit me up when you have your Canyon and your in CA.
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 @owlie: You need to do some research. Although they do have a high debt to GDP ratio, they are only 9th from the top.

California 17.18% Texax 13.97% www.usgovernmentdebt.us/state_debt_rank

Not that different, but if I had the money and the choice I know where I would want to live.
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 @xeren: 55 EC votes...yes, the POINT of the EC itself. We can't have one state deciding leadership for an entire country. California is already too powerful with 55 votes, if it had 70 everyone else might as well go home.

About your whining about your tax dollars - how much are you paying the red states that give you your water supply? You live off of water from neighboring states, and have the balls to talk about them "mooching" off of you? Shitty attitude. How about your state gets it's own financials in order, then we'll talk about federal tax dollars.
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 @ischiller: I already have my canyon. Smile Far right is the religious conservatism, just like blowing up oil rigs and churches is far left material. Its not cool to clump people together under some persona you feel is conservatism. Dems: The party of tolerance right? As long as you see things the way I do.
Heres some steezy steeds: www.pinkbike.com/photo/14368473
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 @owlie: I think we are saying the same thing. I think being conservative is fine. The term has been hijacked and conservatism doesn't mean what it used to. Just like people smashing up buildings in a protest has nothing to do with being a liberal. Alright enough from this Californian. Take it easy. Offer still stands.
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 @inverted180: The debt was a cherry, my point was govt spending per state. Wanna google that and "research"? More than double any other state except New York, which is also a liberal govt hellhole
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 @ischiller: Bingo. Government provided law enforcement, nah not socialism. Government provided healthcare, SOCIALISM.

Both services do not work well with-in a free market system.

The US is the only developed nation in the world with out some form of government provided healthcare.

Government has become some sort of bad word (understandably I guess when you look at how perverse it's become)....but its supposed to be

"Government of the people, by the people, for the people"
/abrahamlincoln
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 @inverted180: the government is here to serve the people not control the people. Still on the plantation.. Did you know that road blocks are against your constitutional rights? yea, but if you tell that to a cop, youre gonna have an asphalt sammich in a hurry. The bigger your government the less freedoms you have. Having a healthcare argument with a Canadian. How longs the wait in ER? And since when did the US not have governmental healthcare system? We did before Obama too. Are you just clicking on google searches that meet your argument?
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 @owlie: Well they have more population, more GDP, more tax revenue than any other state. Should their spending be less than other states?

When comparing state spending vs. GDP they are in the middle....that's what is important.

www.usgovernmentspending.com/compare_state_spending_2017pF0C

Keep listening to the alternative facts though.
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 @owlie: I'm sure if you ask any @inverted180 he's not gonna feel controlled by the Canadian Government. A buddy on a trip to whistler broke his collarbone. He was taken care of pretty quickly. Actually two buddies, one with a punctured lung from a crash were taken care of at a fraction of the cost if it had been the US. What isn't to like about that?
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 @inverted180: thats the liberalism. We make more, we should spend more. Regulate any and everything we can make money on. Drones? Need a pilots license. You like MTB? Need to get certified. Wanna play in the desert? $50 recreation fee. All of these things (though not all real) generate money to pay for govt programs and "free healthcare" for the ones who will vote for them next round.
I need an ID to buy cigs, get money from my bank, get a sixxer, get into a frikkin bar?!?! . But I dont need an ID to do the most valuable freedom an American has? why not?
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 @owlie: The privateers like to sensationalize our system as failure. Trust me it's working just fine. We spend half of what you guys do on healthcare and have similar outcomes. We actually live longer!

Wait times are not good for non critical issues but would be amazing if we funded just 60% of what you guys spend.

Plus no one goes with out and no one goes bankrupt.

Canadians would not give up our system... you might want to look at this gallup poll

www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada.aspx
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 @owlie: Do you know what GDP is? It means the produce more...if you produce more, heck ya you should get to spend more.

As for needing id to buy cigs but not to vote. Well voting is a constitutional right for every citizen, smoking cigs is not.
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 @inverted180: Im sure you wouldnt. why would you. The US has always had a government option. It became a problem when they mandated that EVERYONE has health insurance. Meaning you pay in, even if your a hip cool millennial who would rather buy another scooter than pay for health insurance. Thats the problem. What If I dont want health Insurance? too bad you pay fine. which is ~$600 year. Thats bullshit.
So back to this great cali:
Highest income tax in the US
Highest sales tax in the US
Highest Gasoline tax in the US
Tax on carbon emissions (you older car costs you more)
State troopers make upwards of $100,000 year
Electricity is about 25% higher than the rest of the US
should I keep going?
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 @owlie: Yet more people want to live in that state than any other.

It must eat you up inside.
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 @inverted180: let em all move there. Keep the trails open for us. I see more people moving HERE from cali because the trails are better and the cost of living is substantially lower. Literally $200k in SoCal gets you a condo. Here youre living large and change for some new bikes.
You can pick the best parts of Cali and ue those as comparison. But its a big state, and it aint all Santa Cruz. Trust me ive been there. Have You?
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 @TheRaven: don't really know much about water in the west, do you?
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 @owlie: Hey owlie. NZ has GST (Goods and Services Tax), which we have to pay on any purchase in NZ, a flat tax across the board of 15%. Imported goods under $400.00 are exempt (costs more to recover and administer the GST than what they'd get in for a $50 item lets say). Canyon's advertised price on the web for NZ was inclusive of GST, so I paid Canyon the GST proportion. They will then send that proportion to the NZ government. Because we are largely tariff free (thanks to free trade deals and not being isolationist *cough cough* Trump *cough cough*), I don't need to pay any import duties as the goods are for personal use. If I wanted to game the system, I could, due to the fact that I am a sole trader for my design contracting business and because I am earning over $65kNZ a year I must register to charge customers GST, and I can then claim the difference between what GST I charge and what GST I pay in purchasing goods of others, I can technically claim the GST portion paid to Canyon back off the government, thus I could get all $770NZ back...
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 @adamkovics: because east but f*cking everywhere doesn't want to swallow all the urban pollution, energy consumption, food consumption and absolute lack of any values that represent every land and home.owner in the 80% of the country we live in that has to take your waste and crap, make your food and dig your holes for all your self absorbed and narcissistic lifestyles and materialistic obsession. Suck it it buttercup. We are not your podunk slaves to be down voted by swarming masses of ungrateful cities.
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 @codypup: Why, is it not made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom out there?
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 @Fix-the-Spade: And the Madone and Domane SLR and Emonda SLR made in USA
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 @sunringlerider: F$#@ Politics This is a bike forum Go to FB and bitch about it
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 @MrDiamondDave:

Ok. But, you realize you just bitched about politics? Let the butt hurt flow
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 @MrDiamondDave:

If you actually read my first comment I was explaining to our friend in the north why people are going batshit crazy. Not really arguing. But sure. I don't really compute how explaining that he won the ec but lost the popular is why the anger is bitching. It's true dude. Not that it matters. Trump won the ec so that means he is the president. Not too much to bitch about really.
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 @TheRaven: water supply? what are you talking about? i get my water from the sierras, inside ca. some may come from the colorado river to supply our southernmost cities, but the food that you eat is made with water mostly from inside CA. sounds like you're mooching off of our water too

getting our financials in order? I JUST pointed out that CA is doing insanely well. but you ignored it. i wrote:

"What's funny is you talk to a trump supporter and ask them how california is doing, and they'll tell you it's bankrupt or nearly bankrupt. These are the "alternative fact" bubbles they live in. Sorry, but CA is killing it. Our
"debt" is largely municipal debt from cities, not at the state level, we're running a budget surplus, and if CA was its own country, it would have the 6th largest GDP of any nation in the world."
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 @owlie: " oh and the State Debt: $464.2B"

uh, no, i already addressed that. the majority of it is municipal debt, on the city level. it's not CA's debt. keep ignoring the facts to make yourself believe CA isn't successful. 6th largest GDP of any country can't be ignored.

but fine, believe whatever supports your narrative. we'll just keep succeeding while you live in a fantasy world
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 @KeithReeder: wow, name caller huh. Ill take that as a threat.
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 @KeithReeder: lmk when ur in town(so cal)
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 @xeren: if you were your own country you would on the brink of bankruptcy. You spend too much, and you tax your people too much. Thats why the cost of living is so high. Its a very inefficient machine. Most of Southern Cali gets its water from the colorado river.
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 @xeren: Again, thats all you have is this ranking. Well heres what they say about that ranking:
Yes, California's 2015 nominal GDP of $2.46 trillion ranked as the 6th largest economy in the world, notching in about $37 million more than France's 2015 level. But this doesn't really say much about actually living in California. It is common knowledge that California is among the most expensive states to live in - if not the most expensive. Housing costs more; electricity and gas cost more; and even most goods and services cost more than the national average. In many respects California's cost of living is much more like a Western European nation than it is like the rest of the U.S. The widely reported global rankings ignore this reality. WIthout your port (which is the the hub of Traffic from Asia) that number would drop considerably
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 @owlie: it's expensive because it's desirable. supply and demand, remember that? i don't know why you think that's a bad thing- it's a sign that everyone wants to live and work here
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 @owlie: for every dollar we pay in federal taxes, we only get back 78 cents from the federal government. so if we were our own country, we wouldn't be bankrupt we would be EVEN MORE flush with cash, as we wouldn't have to be helping out those welfare red states who get more federal tax dollars than they give (especially the southern states)

wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700
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 @xeren: @owlie is a waste of neurons. I've already demonstrated how Cali is not near bankruptcy but he still sputters his fox news talking points. Show me the data... and it just can't be debt alone because that doesnt show the real story. It's similar to Canada's debt vs. USA, we would a 1/10th the size...it"s not apples to apples. Debt vs. GDP is a better comparions as a strong GDP show a greater likelyhood of paying off debts. Which Cali is in state budget surplus as pointed out.

It's hopeless though isnt it. Oh well go turn some Blaze on.
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 @xeren: I'm excited for you that your personal water comes from inside California but the fact remains that your state is dependent on several others (Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona) to satisfy its water demands. Depending on the time of year, anywhere from 30 - 70% of your state's water supply comes from outside your state. Obviously, this would be a significant problem, and a great expense for "The Republic of California" if seccession were to ever happen.

Doing insanely well? Do the words "fact" or "reality" have ANY meaning to you whatsoever? Your state (note I said STATE, not city, or county) is currently in an official hole of $26.2B, which makes CA officially 11th on the list of the worst states, financially, in the union. The reality is that, after all the budget manipulating and book cooking your officials do to cover their asses is removed, your state is actually $443B in the hole. That makes California the worst state in the union, financially, by a VERY VERY LONG margin.

The only "alternative facts" appearing here are the ones you are stating re: your state's GDP. CA's GDP is artifically inflated by the fact that FIVE of the US's major shipping ports are located within its borders. Three of those are in the top 10 total tonnage for the nation. THAT'S why a state with such a huge GDP can also be so hopelessly in dept. It's all for show. Furthermore, guess what would happen to those ports if CA seceeded?

Even with those ports included, CA's GDP is actually 11th in the world because GDP, when measured properly, includes cost of living. The "6th" claim does not.
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 @TheRaven: yeah, just keep ignoring what i've written about CA's supposed "debt" and pretend that it's an issue
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 @xeren: I did address what you said. It's wrong. I said that.
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 Trump loves you all, and also drives VW's
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 @owlie: I think the idea is to ensure everyone has insurance because it costs more to society to hospitalize / take care of someone without insurance. So you may think it's bullshit to be required to have health insurance while I think it is bullshit to pay higher premiums because the hospitals need to cover the cost of individuals who don't have insurance. The idea that well I break my arm I pay for it is true but most people can't cover the crazy expensive health care out of pocket. That is why the smart pay for insurance. Heck even the billionaires do.

If everyone took the “I don't want to pay for... because I don't want it” the idea of society breaks down quickly. I have no interest in funding a war, so I don't want to pay. Or I don't visit this state, I don't want my taxes to go to their roads. Where's the limit on how far that goes.

As for the other expenses in CA, I don't care. I'd still rather be here than anywhere just because it cots less to live. Besides, if a state trooper makes 100k a year good for the state trooper, doesn't bother me. Out of curiousity why does it bother you?
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 @TheRaven: We don't get our water from the desert that borders most of California.
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 @inverted180: youre a softie little douchebag. Quoting shit you dont even know about. Retard. The US is the only country in the world without a govt health program? you wrote that. idiot.
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 @ischiller: it would be Utopian if we didnt have WAY too many leeches on the system. Including illegals. the numbers dont workl and thats why obamacare is failing hard. More people are on the gravy train and less are paying in. this is fact. FOX, CNN, KTLA, whatever.
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 @codypup: Arizona? ok.
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 @xeren: So, one more time. Why is your income tax, gas tax, sales tax, and electricity higher than any other state? Easy question. lemme guess, cuz err'one wants to live there, right?
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 @xeren: but 25% of your state is illegal immigrants. Are they chipping in? or do they get free healthcare? federal healthcare.
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 @codypup: I know. I already discussed this with xeren. That desert doesn't just border California, it also makes up a very large percentage of CA's land area. A big part of why so much of your water comes from out of state.
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 @ischiller: You are correct but the real solution is tackling the issues that make healtcare so expensive FIRST. After we get a handle on out-of-control costs, THEN we set up our national system, and forcing everyone to have it won't be so bad because the vast majority will actually be able to AFFORD it. The Obama solution of just throwing money at it has not worked as it only causes cost increases to accelerate, futher pricing people out and forcing the governent to throw EVEN MORE money at it just to keep it from failing.
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 @inverted180: here's what you said:
The US is the only developed nation in the world with out some form of government provided healthcare.

Idiot. And to that I never said Cali was bankrupt. It was a follow up to ischillers comments that it was. I said the regulations and govt spending make the state the most expensive to live in. And still right after all your bs comments.
You are another misinformed Canadian getting your info from msm. Stfu and get back in your igloo
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 @TheRaven: I appreciate the dialogue. I guess the question is how do you get a handle on out of control costs? Lets hope the large contingent of old men now in charge can make it right then. I don't agree with anything they are currently doing but I'm willing to have an open mind with their health care plans. To kill the ACA and do nothing to replace it will be a big problem for quite a few people.
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 @ischiller: aca is just expanded medicare-a plan for the needy that already existed and will remain. Obummercare screwed people like me(middle/working class) by forcing us to buy somthing we dont want, cant afford, isnt good.
So, open up interstate commerce to healthcare, allow us to buy high deductible-low payment type plans.
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 @jrocksdh: ACA is Obamacare.
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 @inverted180: Pretty sure he knows that, you sack of nickels
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 @owlie: Funny how he described them as being different then.
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 @trillot: good point. And don't forget that of the less than 1/2 of american voters didn't even cast a ballot
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 @inverted180: yes, it sure is. Whats ur point?
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 @jrocksdh: @inverted180 he doesnt have a point, just hot air and google. He actually edited his response, he called you ignorant at first.
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 @inverted180: and also called the unaffordable care act. Monthly payments=going rate for a single room in so cal. Ok im done here...times for some monday movies!
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 @owlie: yes, of course our taxes are higher. stop trying to talk like that's a bad thing, that's just the cost of running a functioning progressive state. keep trying to convince people that CA is doing terribly, but everyone, especially the 1 in 8 americans that live in CA, know that that's BS. debt? i keep telling you it's largely municipal. and even if you counted it all, it's still only slightly above average per capita. we're not even in the top 40% of debt per capita of all the states. i know a big number is scary, but we're a big state.

meanwhile, your conservative paradise of indiana, where the republicans had full control to pass all their ridiculous laws, is basically a giant trash heap. the only thing keeping it from complete disaster is federal tax dollars from california. you're welcome!
  • + 2
 @xeren: I live in CA. too and I hear what you're saying. One point that hasn't been discussed is the traffic problem, sure every metropolitan area has traffic but CA is on a different level. This greatly affects quality of life. Sure you have a good job, but between the real estate cost, and congestion is it worth it? I like to head up to Tahoe, but the traffic is ridiculous heading up and back unless you go mid week. This affects my quality of life when I can't enjoy the benefits of the state because millions of others want the same. Overpopulation is the biggest problem I see with immigration legal and illegal.
  • + 1
 @Beez177: that's a fair complaint, CA is definitely not perfect, the traffic certainly is terrible!
  • + 1
 @xeren: How did Indiana get involved? If were going there lets lump Illinois and Michigan in there for your Liberal Valhalla.
  • + 1
 @Beez177: Dont even know how to come back to that. You have the highest taxes and cost of living in the nation, and you agree and say thats ok. LOL. there ya go
  • + 1
 @owlie: Yeah well I'm filthy rich, is that OK with you. I never said I like high taxes and cost of living? Where do you live that's so great?
  • + 1
 @Beez177: et al. We have more in common than not.The real, unseen leaders of our country have their interests served by creating and adding to conflict. An example outside the country are the never-ending wars in the middle east, which are basically price support programs for oil. And the War on Drugs, which is nothing more than a price support program. Those same interests, the interests that continue to consolidate wealth with smaller and smaller groups of people, are served by setting us, one against the other.

The people protesting in the streets now are no more than the flip side of the ones who would be protesting just as vigorously if Clinton had won.

To all others, I apologize for this and every other political rant on a page where you likely go to get away from rants, diatribes and vitriol. In the end, actually riding my bike in the forest is the only true (and temporary) escape.
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 @Beez177: that was supposed to be @xeren , sorry
  • + 70
 Come for the press release, stay for oh so informed pink bike political commentary...
  • + 5
 snowflake blizzard
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flag McNubbin (Feb 2, 2017 at 7:03) (Below Threshold)
 And if half of these dipshits even had any intention of actually buying one, Canyon would surpass every other company in sales and be #1, but that requires getting out of their parents basements and getting jobs.
  • + 5
 @fullbug: Original. When are you guys going to change your standard insults up a little....getting a little stale. Should I go to my safe place now?....lol
  • + 13
 Agreed, @LRod1018. I guess these comment sections are loaded with armchair economists, legislators, and constitutional lawyers...not just the armchair engineers/scientists we usually see.

It'd be nice to actually *not* have political ideology infiltrating every facet of life. Can't we just talk bikes and biking?
  • + 1
 @inverted180: do what you need to do
  • + 0
 @fullbug: Well I can tell you that doesn't involve a safe space. Keep those talkin points going snowflake...lol
  • + 1
 @inverted180: nah. i don't know ya at all to give a crap...and vice versa
  • - 1
 @fullbug: ha. Agreed. The snowflake comment must have "triggered" me.

Really these unorignal insults that get posted over and over and over....
  • - 3
 @inverted180: Yea, back in your parents basement you go. Its not old, it's just true.
  • + 1
 @inverted180: fair play. but gettin triggered is a sign. ha. let us proceed to beer:30
  • + 3
 @McNubbin: Good one, haven't heard that before either. Bought my first home when I was 23 and haven't lived at home since I was 18yr old.

How about you now?
  • - 8
flag McNubbin (Feb 2, 2017 at 10:25) (Below Threshold)
 @inverted180: Worked my way through school, busted my ass, now have a nice, fat 6-figure salary, nice ski house also. So yea, you can suck it.
  • - 2
 @McNubbin: "So yea, you can suck it"

Ask your boyfriend.
  • + 4
 @McNubbin: Then you woke up, eh?
  • + 6
 @McNubbin: what's wrong with my parents basement? it's cozy, my girlfriend and 3 children fit nicely. It's really close to the welfare office, and a quick walk to the Piggly wiggly grocery store where I bag groceries and collect shopping carts. Don't get jealous cuz I'm living the dream. You've got to get up get out and get something
  • - 1
 @inverted180: Really, that's all you got? Pussy.
  • - 1
 @weebleswobbles: Geez dude, your parents let you live down there with your sister like that?
  • + 1
 @KeithReeder: Naw, dude, actually in your time zone right now for work. Just got back from the pub. Going to sleep.
  • + 1
 @drfaceplant: their all regurgitating last semesters poliSci class. It really is stale.
  • + 2
 @McNubbin: ''Really, that's all you got? Pussy''

I guess it's true, you are what you eat! That would make you a big fat dick....lol.
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 That's why they saying Q3. Then Trump is no president any more. ;-)
  • + 52
 Fingers crossed
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flag mates2502 (Feb 2, 2017 at 5:34) (Below Threshold)
 You can still ride a bike in Germany? I heard, that people in the caliphate can ride only donkeys.
  • + 10
 Republicans wanted to impeach Clinton because of a BJ. Lets wait until all the Bunga-Bunga scandals start. Its only a matter of time for Trump.
  • + 10
 @Boardlife69: He does like to grab em by the pussy!
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: No tard, they wanted to impeach him for lying about it.
  • - 1
 @Boardlife69: If you or I were caught getting blown at work, we would be sacked immediately. But the supposed busiest man in the world had time to pork fat chicks while on the clock.
  • - 1
 @inverted180: You better run then, pussy boy, he may grab you.
  • + 2
 @SlodownU: oh the pain.... you hurt my feels.
  • - 2
 @inverted180: Dude, the fact that your even still responding to this proves how much of chump you really are. Have fun playing with yourself.
  • + 2
 @SlodownU: oh the irony, it's simply amazing.
  • + 51
 What's the big deal? You just sit down and eat at midday, no real prep required. Oh wait, Launch...oh geez my bad.
  • + 12
 That was so bad, but it made me laugh anyway Big Grin
  • + 51
 Does Trump know this already ?
  • + 1
 hahaha ! that's great .
  • + 12
 35% import tax, minimum!
  • + 46
 He'd rather see them ride Ellsworths or Intenses with crooked rear triangles.
  • + 44
 @bonkywonky: or his son (no conflict of interests) will launch T-bikes. Any color you want...as long as it's gold!
  • + 15
 when he finds out he's gonna build a wall. it's gonna be huuuge. Believe me.
  • + 15
 @santoman: here in Brazil we have a more or less 80% import tax, I bought some maxxis tires and the price almost doubled with import taxes.
  • + 6
 @CloseCall: are the Germans going to pay for it?
  • + 9
 @santoman: I would have thought orange would be the only color available.
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flag McNubbin (Feb 2, 2017 at 7:00) (Below Threshold)
 Good thing that there are plenty of bikes available in the US as good as or better than Canyon.
  • + 4
 @emerstoffel: And I thought 30% in Chile was bad.
  • - 2
 Remind me again how it's going with all of those refugees? Every country has their problems.
  • + 3
 @McNubbin: "Good thing that there are plenty of bikes available in the US as good as or better than Canyon"

Most of them - OR THEIR COMPONENTS/RAW MATERIALS - imported...
  • + 0
 @cheeverbrent: "Remind me again how it's going with all of those refugees? Every country has their problems."

Yeah, but yours will f*ck up everyone else too...
  • - 3
 @KeithReeder: I think you guys already did a pretty good job doing that. That's why we left.
  • + 1
 @emerstoffel: how is it when importing goods from another Mercosur country? (Not that it is going to help with Maxxis tires, though)
  • + 1
 @santoman:
Any purchase made online under $100 by law should not be charged any kind of tax but that does not work here. The government taxes even purchases of $10 or less.
  • + 1
 @cheeverbrent: Don't believe all of the medias, there is a crisis that requires attention but it is real far from being as bad as some describes or would like it to be to make their point valid. Come and visit ! bring your bike ! ;-)
  • + 4
 @KeithReeder: Do you even own a bike? Or just polish bell ends you supreme tosser
  • + 24
 Can any hear the panic in the voices are Trek and Spesh?
  • + 12
 I sure hope so. Their prices are beyond ridiculous. Their quality isn't any better than Canyon or YT. Their parts specs are a cruel joke.
  • + 6
 Sorry to sound like every comment above, but I think Spesh/Trek's biggest problem is also Trump, not Canyon.
Their frames and components are all built outside of the US
  • + 1
 Meh, competition in the market is good for everyone. I don't think Specialized and Trek are afraid of Canyon. There are many, many, awesome brands on the market today, and the average customer wants to test ride a bike before he buys it.
  • + 23
 What about Canada ?
By the way sorry..
  • + 7
 Don't worry I'm sure some Canadian distributor will step up and add there cut the price
  • + 2
 I'd also like to know if there's anything for Canada as well!
  • + 0
 Might end up being like here and Australia. The "dealer" is based in Melbourne, Australia, and NZ customers use them as the point of contact once you get your bike.

They even rang me up to say thanks for purchasing and welcome to the Canyon club. Ruined my Strava KOM riding up a hill to take the call, but a welcome call and totally unexpected none the less.

Payment etc was all made through the Canyon website.
  • + 20
 Which delivery company will they use as the Sender?
  • + 9
 I hope they Strive to get the best they can
  • + 5
 Delivery so fast, it's like they put a stitch in time.
  • + 5
 I doubt they will have the Nerve to mess it up after all the delivery complaints they've had before
  • + 3
 dude, they gonna exceed expectations by using the ultimate commuter.
  • + 2
 Jimmy John's
  • + 15
 I ordered a Canyon Spectral last summer and it was delivered to France in less than 2 weeks (earlier than expected). Assembly and setup was extremely easy and as a bonus, they include a torque wrench and shock pump in the box. It turns out that I had problems with the Fox rear shock (the valve wouldn't open when connected to the shock pump). Canyon customer service was very responsive and sent me a shipping slip. A few weeks later, the shock was returned to me in perfect working condition. This was my first experience buying from Canyon and so far so good. I'll be returning to Canada later this year and am glad that I'll have the option to buy from them again (albeit across the border). I just hope the prices will be as good as they are in Europe.
  • + 30
 Fun thing, they included a shock pump to my bike with coil springs.
  • + 8
 @mikaeljc: how long did it take you to find a connection?
  • + 4
 I have both a Spectral and a Sender. Both delivered from Germany to Singapore in the indicated timeframe of around 1-2 weeks. Only have had positive experiences with Canyon, with the bikes and components being flawless (other than obviously the Fox X2 recall). Can highly recommend!
  • + 16
 "Where will bikes be assembled"?...

Usually in my living room/bike shop...and usually to my wife's disapproval.
  • + 2
 Lol !
  • + 12
 its gonna be a great line up, greatest line up ever, its great, its huge, absolutely fantastic. The best line up ever. All other brands failed. Trek? Total disaster... Speci? Fake, Cannondale? total loosers, will beat them, all other brands will fail. And whos gonna pay for it? Mexico.... Gotta love it....Can't wait to ride it....
  • - 4
flag lenniDK (Feb 2, 2017 at 13:59) (Below Threshold)
 F... Canyon. The symbol of soulless copycat "bang for your buck" uninnovative bikes. Ohh I got so much XT and fox for my euros! But you will sell it within a year og two,because they came up with a new one with a fancier colour. Bikes like this will never be a "keeper" and people will forget them. The focus on latest fashion trends and shit material frames will never have my respect
  • + 2
 @lenniDK: define innovative
  • + 12
 The more direct to costumer company's the more competitive the prices will be for us. keep them coming !
  • + 8
 Oh this is going to be great, I can't even tell you how great huuuge even. It will be a complicated process so great that it's huuuge.
In all seriousness I doubt the big boys are worried. Go in your local shop. Most are filed with $1,000 or less bikes. That is the volume of their sales. Which Canyon and YT are not in. And a lot of local high end sales are old rich guys.
  • - 3
 "Most are filed with $1,000 or less bikes"

Which in a year or so will be closer to $2k a pop after The Don's protectionist shite kicks in...
  • + 8
 Easiest way for an American to get a Canyon: 1) Join military 2) Get based in Germany 3) Buy directly from Koblenz. Worked very well for me...Love my Strive!
  • + 5
 On a serious note, since I purchased in Germany will the new facility in SoCal take over my warranty?
  • + 5
 "...beginning in Q3" is no the same as "at the beginning of Q3". So they might as well start selling them at the end of August Wink
  • + 1
 Yep, and then they will all sell out so fast that you're order in August will ship after Christmas....
  • + 3
 Are you guys fucking kidding me with all the bullshit political talk !! Good I go on this site tonlooks and learn about bikes and bike related stuff and now it's full of politic banter PINKBIKE please do something about this Fuck sake !!you people are clowns
  • + 1
 Higher taxes=less money to spend on bikes....like the Canyon Bikes we are supposed to be jazzed about coming to the USA!

Holy cow, when you are out on the trails all this political BS just seems to disappear, so lets focus on getting ready for the 2017 cycling season, focus on making America & the rest of the world better than it is, back off the hypocritical riots/protests (the election is over), build some new trails, fix some old ones, and shred the hell out of 2017!
  • + 1
 'Canyon has always been at the forefront of engineering, design, and setting the highest quality standards in the industry.'

from their site-
In 2003 a partnership with the University of Pforzheim was forged to give Canyon access to testing premises; a partnership that has now grown to help the company lead the way in internship placements.

so not quite always then Ja? nitpicky perhaps, but its probably more accurate to say 'for over a decade they have been pushing design and engineering'

just saying, i have cycling gear older than their company.
  • + 5
 Hope they don't use SAP as their ERP in the USA :-)
  • + 2
 If you choose to give these consumer direct companies your money that is cool. Just do not disparage the dealer model. It is the legitimate and proper manner to conduct bicycle business.
  • + 3
 We need to send out a search party for WAKI. This is not like him to be absent.
  • + 3
 Industry folks, why Southern California? Is the market that much bigger out West? Is it the trade routes from Asia?
  • + 8
 It is a combination of both. Most likely the fastest way to the USA and the market on that side of the country is huuuuge. In all seriousness the cycling community on the west coast is much greater and provides more than half of the income for the US. Not to mention the majority of the USA companies call it home. That being said the US market is much more of a service market. If Canyon fumbles entry in the US like they did in Australia then they will fight an uphill battle. I bet they do ok and you see small bike shops disappear and the bigger stores down size and become factory backed boutiques that specialize in service. I plan on opening my arms to Canyon and do everything I can to become a service speacialst for their products.
  • + 2
 One of the biggest ports (long beach) is located on the left coast. Also, like gatorfireman mentioned, most companies already have an office in southern Cal. Do not forget, more people live in Cal than do in Canada, and you can ride all year long. Lucky.
  • + 0
 @gatorfireman: They should've gone to Vegas or Reno like YT - No sales taxes! I saved $400.
  • + 1
 its the mtns! but seriously the geography and weather conspire to support a bigger cycling season and market out west.
In BC sells more $ of one major brand than Ontario does despite having half the population.
  • + 5
 About bloody time!
  • + 3
 Heard they're going to be at Summer-Crested Butte, and/or Fall-Moab Outerbike with demos
  • + 1
 I was holding out to buy the Sender for 2017. Now I'll have to settle for a Tues. Sucks that Sender won't be available in US until August or September....
  • + 1
 Canyon bikes are like Nintendo Classic NES' They arent all that great, they arent in that high of demand, they only make one or two a day. Better get on the list early
  • + 1
 Owned a Strive CF for 2 years and had nothing but a great experience dealing with Canyon despite living 18,642km away from Koblenz.
  • + 1
 Wouldnt the setup be exactly what YT did or is doing? I kinda like it but im hoping pricing isnt gonna be a deal breaker. Love the Canyon lineup. Stoked and cant wait!
  • + 1
 Canyon, along with a lot of other direct sale companies make sweet bikes. I just hope that my local shop does not suffer from the introduction of direct sale companies.
  • + 2
 "We will have dedicated US customer service staff as this is of top importance to Canyon"

doesn't seem to be in Europe lol
  • + 2
 If they are looking to sponsor a U.S rider, I am a blank canvas waiting to sign.
  • + 1
 I remember Giant talking about direct to consumer sales? is that still happening? be interesting to see how well Canyon are received in USA.
  • + 6
 Direct to consumer doesn't mean shit unless you're willing to give up the dealer margin. Giant has a dealer network that they likely (and contractually likely) won't cannibalize.
  • + 3
 @n0ahfense: That's what Commencal recently did. Market is twitchy.
  • + 2
 @n0ahfense: True.

Why do middle men even exist anymore? The answer to the question "where do consumers go to buy their product" is now "their living room."
  • + 1
 I hope this won't drastically increase delivery times. Now it's 1-3 months for some bikes. I'm planning to buy in 2018. But all in all good news for US riders.
  • + 1
 Remember those things we used to go to call local bike shops? I'm excited about direct to consumer pricing just like anyone else but it'll come with a price one day.
  • + 3
 I won't miss bike shops much. I go when a tool is too expensive to buy (headset press), for wheel building, and for small parts like quick links and tubes. That's about it.

The rates they charge for bikes, bike parts, and labor are very high compared to the internet and my own labor.

Besides, does anyone actually like salesman? Much prefer talking to the mechanics.
  • + 12
 They'll adapt and survive. Why pay rent for a large store when at least 75% of that area is dedicated to a sales floor full of bikes? If people buy online then you don't need to carry a large inventory and the overhead that comes with it. You can greatly reduce costs by moving into a smaller store. Carry some nutrition and accessories to sell but focus on servicing bikes. Instead of having your employees spend time doing free service and tune ups for bikes that you sold, you can have them performing billable service for all of the people buying bikes online.
  • + 3
 LBS with high-standard, reliable and trustworthy mechanics will always thrive. They're already hard enough to find.
LBS will end up making their money via services more than selling parts or bikes.
There was a whole thread about the future of LBS last November: www.pinkbike.com/news/are-you-concerned-about-the-demise-of-bike-shops-pinkbike-poll.html
It's a good read with few great user comments/debates.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: headset press? You can't find a hammer and a couple blocks of wood?? Lol
  • + 1
 Pinkbike readers (hardcore riders) are like 1% of an average bike shop's customers. Most bike shop customers are casual riders who just want a $500 bike or a flat repair. Bike shops (good ones) will survive.
  • + 1
 @Jlowe33: That lacks a certain amount of alignment. Smile Some people have successfully hammered it in, but last time I tried that it went in sideways and nicked the frame.
  • + 0
 That's great news. I don't know why all of these morons from all over the globe keep talking about the US President. Is this a mountain biking website or a political forum?
  • + 3
 Very good news!
  • + 1
 Can't wait to ride my Sender......lol Welcome to america........
  • + 1
 I bet Giant makes Canyon frames too
  • + 1
 possible though i don't imagine the volumes are high enough to just yet, I imagine its one or two of the other builders.
  • + 1
 Que the death of LBSs ........
  • + 1
 Trudeau...? Trump...? Americans have never had it so good...!
  • + 2
 How about Canada?
  • + 1
 Anybody know where their office is in Socal?
  • + 3
 Nvm, just read it's going to be in Chino
  • + 1
 @bforwil: where did you read that? I live right down the street from Chino, maybe get me a dream job working in the bike industry! I checked their website last night but only found the German openings. I'd appreciate your help.
  • + 1
 @Vudu74: I made another mistake, Chino is where their warehouse is going to be. Still not sure on their office location though.
www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2017/01/30/canyon-postpones-sales-us-third-quarter#.WJkwjfkrKHs
  • + 1
 @bforwil: thank you for your reply. I really appreciate it.
  • + 1
 Pauline Ferrand-Prevot is now riding for Canyon–SRAM!
  • + 0
 Not keen on the MTB's but the road bikes are the tits.
  • + 0
 Am trying to buy canyon in USA! Any reason why not?
  • + 1
 Great news!
  • + 0
 i can't wait until july! i need bike now
  • + 0
 Asia please!
  • + 0
 i got one in za love it
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