CBD is Being Marketed at Mountain Bikers, What Does That Mean?

Feb 15, 2019
by James Smurthwaite  
KJ with a one-foot table whip of sorts.

Cannabis has long been a fringe appurtenance to mountain biking - Missy Giove got busted back in the day for having 350 pounds of the stuff, Sick Bicycles make a titanium bong, and athletes like Steve Peat casually joke about it in interviews.

But take a look through S8 of the WADA banned substances list though, and you'll see it prohibits every natural and synthetic cannabinoid—with one exception, Cannabidiol, or CBD. It was lifted off at the start of last year.

One of its biggest advocates for CBD is Alex Mountain. Alex was a personal trainer before struggles with his business and personal life left him stressed and starting to notice he couldn't move his wrists very well. Before long his friends started calling him 'Glassboy' and he was spending most of his time in a cast. He remembers, "The first thing I noticed was I couldn't do a press up, I couldn't hold my own body weight up. How was I going to throw myself down a hill, get myself round a set of jumps with the aches and pains I had?" He was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and prescribed naproxen but it gave him stomach ulcers and before long he was back in hospital again.

It was another few months before he found a medication that worked. He says, "I ended up consuming CBD and it started to help instantly. So I started once a week consuming quite a lot of it in order to help with the weak saturation of my joints."

Since then he's started CBD Mountain, a business selling CBD aimed at mountain bikers and other high-impact athletes. He's formulated a product he claims contains zero THC that is currently being used by riders in the UK and even Paralympians.
CBD Frequently Asked Questions

Is CBD legal?
It is legal in most of the EU and all of Canada. In the US it varies state by state but largely speaking it is legal in 30 states where medicinal and/or recreational marijuana is legal. Check your local laws for more information.

Can athletes use it?
CBD is the only Cannabinoid that is exempt from WADA's ban so it can be used by athletes in competition. However, as with all things, the ultimate responsibility lies with the athlete. If they mistakenly take a product that contains THC (or any other cannabinoid) as well as CBD they could face sanctions.

Will CBD get you high?
No, CBD has no known psychoactive effects.

Can you overdose on CBD?
No known fatal overdoses have ever been reported from CBD.

Is it safe?
Because mainstream use of CBD is so recent and research has been hampered by its legal status, it's difficult to make conclusive claims on its safety. However, CBD is considered generally safe to use. A World Health Organisation study concluded, “To date, there is no evidence of recreational use of CBD or any public health related problems associated with the use of pure CBD.” Although it is not advised that you take too much at once, that you combine it with other medications, or that you take it while pregnant.

So what is it and how does it work? CBD is one of the active cannabinoid compounds in the cannabis plant but it crucially doesn't have the psychoactive effects of the other main component, THC. Cannabinoids are naturally occurring and, it may not surprise you to know, particularly prevalent in cannabis. CBD-rich strains of hemp can be selectively bred to produce the highest yield of CBD with minimal amounts of THC and these are harvested for CBD products.

Cannabinoids work with the endocannabinoid system, a modulator of the immune system. One of the functions of the immune system is to boost muscle recovery from injury or exercise. Trace the steps backwards and CBD will supposedly help with recovery as well as general immune health. The theory goes it will mean you feel fresher after riding and reduce your time off the bike with injuries. There are other claimed benefits on top of this - improved sleep, reduced anxiety, diabetes prevention, the list goes on.

In the past 12 months CBD has become a marketer's dream. The number of UK users doubled last year and and it is now possible to buy CBD oil infused products as varied as skincare, beers and marshmallows. There are even rumours that Coca Cola want to release a CBD drink with Canada's Aurora Cannabis.

Kyle Jameson at Mt Bachelor Image Trevor Lyden

What do the riders think?

Kyle Jameson

Kyle Jameson has arthritis from trail building and knee pain from a bad injury three years ago. He says, “I was in tons of pain and the pills that were prescribed to me made me feel like shit and I wasn't eating. Cannabis products were able to take the pain away, help me sleep and I didn't lose my appetite."

“I use both THC and CBD for pain relief, CBD is my main focus but to get the full effect for CBD you need a small amount of THC. I do notice a difference, my joints flare up after a ride, especially my knee."

"I’ll load up on some CBD topical creams on those specific areas before and after to keep the swelling down and then if I'm in a lot of pain I'll have some kind of light THC/CBD oil or gummy and night to help me sleep. Of course I stretch and try and eat well, without those you aren’t healing anything.”

In fact, KJ is such a big advocate for using cannabis he has picked up a sponsorship from Oregrown, a controversial cannabis company that also support KJ's Black Sage FEST.



Beccy Booth

Beccy Booth, one half of Fat Creations, has suffered from daily neuralgic headaches for seven years following an accident that gave her major whiplash, severe concussion and multiple facial injuries. She uses CBD Mountain and says, “Pre-CBD, my absolute limit without being in horrendous pain would be to run six miles, since taking CBD I have done several 10 mile off road trail runs and I don't have nasty side effects of prescription drugs hindering my riding. I feel more alert and less tired as I'm in less pain and sleeping better. The only side effect I have noticed is an increased feeling of happiness, others have noticed that in me too. My mood has improved a lot.”



Rob Welch

Rob Welch, who chronicled his return from injury in the recent Live to Ride edit, has only been using CBD for two weeks but he has already noticed reduced pain after riding. He also said it was helping him sleep as his knee often hurt and was keeping him up at night.
Photo thanks to Darren Ellis



Olly wilkins bouncing down ridges in Spain
Olly Wilkins

Not everyone is so convinced. Olly Wilkins said: "I suffer from gnarly arthritis in my ankle and took different forms of CBD in the hope it would alleviate some of the pain. I gotta be honest, I found zero change in anything. It's not to say it doesn't work. Maybe I was hoping for too much? I take endless supplements and never notice anything works for pain. If it works for you then it works but I would probably say it's largely a placebo from my own experience."

A lot of riders declined to be involved in this piece altogether. It’s easy to see why, the association with cannabis is still off putting and could be a serious conflict for riders’ other sponsors. In January, the Supercross world was aflame with a CBD controversy as social media egomaniac Dan Bilzerian sponsored Dean Wilson, who is running this year as a privateer, through his CBD company Ignite. The mire thickened at Anaheim where NBC Sports requested Wilson cover any Ignite logos on his race kit as it had not yet been federally approved. Wilson had to comply or risk not racing, unleashing a social media backlash. It’s a controversy that’s likely to continue through the season.

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It's worth looking at the science at this point. The endocannabinoid system was only discovered in 1992 and there are still plenty of gaps in the the scientific understanding of it. A 2018 literature review titled Cannabis and the Health and Performance of the Elite Athlete (Ware et al.) describes the paradox of cannabis and sport, saying, “Despite evidence that recreational cannabis use may impair psychomotor skills and cognitive function, there is a perception among some athletes that cannabis use may have beneficial effects. The illegal or prohibited status of cannabis worldwide has limited our ability to generate high-quality data on the patterns and prevalence of cannabis use among elite athletes."

The literature review could only conclude, "there is no evidence of performance-enhancing or causal effects', while also admitting that more work needs to be done. All of this isn't to say CBD has no benefits for athletes, more there isn't any evidence yet that it does.

But then, a lot of things that elite athletes take aren't fully understood - most supplements are 'clinically researched' as opposed to 'scientifically proven' to work but the power of testimonies has meant that you're very unlikely to find an elite athlete that now doesn't take them, accepting all the risks that come along with it.

That's another problem for the CBD market too. A study in November 2017, led by Marcel Bonn Miller, Labeling Accuracy of Cannabidiol Extracts Sold Online analysed 84 CBD products and found 26 per cent contained less CBD than labeled while 43 per cent contained more than labeled. More worrying than this though, the products contained on average one per cent THC, which the study notes "may be sufficient to produce intoxication or impairment, especially among children" and will, crucially, get you popped on a doping test.

Chris Kilmurray, owner of Point1 Athletic and coach of Tahnee Seagrave, Greg Callaghan and more, warns about the dangers of the “cult” of CBD. He said that although none of his athletes are currently taking it, they are certainly discussing the benefits and effects. He said, “Like any medical product or supplement, it needs to be evidence backed. Using it for "general good" may not actually be the best way to maximise its benefit and may indeed be a waste of money.

Tahnee Seagrave prepares for combat in the Quebecois forest with trainer Chris Kilmurray.
Chris training Tahnee in Mont Sainte Anne. There is no suggestion that Tahnee uses CBD.

“If you are a professional athlete then taking CBD in competition is a risk. It comes from the same plant as THC so the risk for contamination is ever present. Regular use may also blunt the cell signalling that leads to adaptation to training. Essentially meaning you get 'less fit' from the same training dose. That is another area that needs to be monitored and thought about by riders and athletes," says Kilmurray.

“All we need is less hype and more evidence! If CBD does prove to be a wonder drug than that may mean you are behind the curve, but better safe than sorry in this regard in my opinion.”

With CBD only being properly available to athletes for a year and yet to be properly regulated, it's clear there is lots more to learn. However, athletes look for any legal advantage they can get and the many positive reports surrounding CBD will be hard to ignore.

Alex Mountain sees it as the start of the revolution. He says, "The industry, I hope, will go down the route of replacing opiate based medication."

So, snake oil? Wonder supplement? A foil to energy drinks? Is the future green? Time will tell.


287 Comments

  • + 142
 TLDR:

CBD works for what it is CAPABLE of doing, so read up in advance.

This will not make you Aaron Gwin.

This will not heal a broken leg.

This will do what your body lets it, and maybe more.

Signed,
A regular CBD user and chronic pain sufferer
  • - 41
flag endurocat (Feb 15, 2019 at 5:23) (Below Threshold)
 Eat your veggies , stay away from refined sugar and complex carbohydrates , get a good night's sleep, strech before and after workouts and you'll be fine. No supplements or pain killers needed. Don't waste your money.
  • + 83
 @endurocat:

Yes, do all of that, but if something that's ailing you persists, chase down natural solutions before you go bombing even MORE money on scrips that may help but also might kill you a different way.

Ask me how I know.
  • + 75
 @endurocat: Get off your soap box dude.
Sometimes chronic pain cannot be cured by just diet changes. Arthritis and degenerative disorders are times hereditary but also just part of getting old.
  • + 24
 Yep, CDB works for me
  • + 33
 I think the placebo effect is high with CBD. You have to believe in it, for it to work.
  • + 12
 @togood2die: how do you know?
  • + 4
 Broke my humerus in two pieces 4 months ago. Took me two months to get back to training and day by day riding again. i am now 100% healed. I did TWO things. One was HBO therapy straight after the injury. Second is i gave my body whatever it needed through precise diet. Your body is a great machine, treat it well, think positive and it will do miracles.
  • + 14
 @dirtspanker: The problem is the science proves CBD alone has some effect but not much. The real magic in it being a medicine is when you have a 1:1 ratio of CBD:THC. So 10% CBD should also have 10% THC.
  • + 12
 Yep, I've put my body through the wringer. 8 years playing Football through HS and college, then started mtb right after. Countless tumbles and a torn ACL later...I was taking Aleve every day. Just masked the pain. Started taking CBD a month ago and I take Aleve maybe once a week if at all. It might not work for everyone, but if it works for you it's a game changer. One other side effect is that I've always suffered some anxiety, and I've noticed I feel calmer after taking CBD. Maybe a placebo effect, but either way I feel calmer and more collected.
  • - 1
 @Boardlife69: Too bad your medicine is now getting you high.....Im down though. Just maybe not when Im hucking my meat vehicle down a mountain. I know some can handle...but not me.
  • - 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 15, 2019 at 8:18) (Below Threshold)
 What if I told you... there was a bike motor running on CBD!
  • + 4
 @endurocat: bs... There's always a place for testosterone cypionate after 40...Game changer with aches pains and old injuries.
  • + 1
 @dv8416: There's hgh for that bud... 2iu eod.
  • + 4
 @inverted180: so, SO many medicines get you high
  • + 5
 Hopefully with legalisation in Canada, we'll get more research on this.
  • + 5
 @Boardlife69: Got a reference for that science?
  • + 58
 All recreational drugs should be legalized, even if only for use in dedicated places. Nothing is perfect and never will, there's intelligence and there's natural selection. But I'd rather see my kids buy stuff from a regulated source than from some a-hole in old BMW. Would you feel good buying moonshine that can make you blind? No. You got to a shop where the substance being sold must fulfill quality tests in order to be suitable for consumption.
  • + 11
 Dont know why I'm getting down voted for not wanting to be high while mountain biking. It's just my preference guys..you do you.
  • + 7
 @johniedamn:
"HBO therapy" so you watched binge watched The Sopranos, I can dig that!!
  • + 8
 @endurocat Obviously you’ve never had a bad injury. Some injuries can’t be vegetables, sleep and stretching.
  • + 3
 CBD is working for me so far. I use two strands, one for everyday use and one for the evenings when I'm having trouble sleeping.
  • + 14
 @inverted180: For some folks MTB is a form of letting loose. So smoking or drinking (or both) and riding is their way to go. I don't care, unlike driving, in MTB, in most cases when you eat sht, you take yourself out alone. Eat, smoke, drink pray, be my guest. Natural selection works.
  • + 2
 @endurocat: which injuries do you suffer from? 2012 was and year for me. Whike driving i was hit head on by a truck and then 6 months later I was rear ended on the highway. I injured my shoulder, wrist, back, knees and ankles twice. Eating healthy, exercise and stretching hasn't gotten rid of my pain. I'm considering CBD oil now.
  • + 23
 All in all, it's yet another good article by Pinkbike. I wish they would do the same with upcoming bike products. Same skepticism could be expressed for electronic shifting, new hub width, intermediate wheel size etc. For instance nobody has proven and will ever prove that 29" DH bikes are faster than 27,5 bikes. Placebo/ Nocebo in full swing.
  • + 2
 @dirtspanker: @dirtspanker: Sure, but there is also a nocebo effect. So if someone has belief that it wont work, its effects will be diminished even if its working. So... not that simple, but nice try, generally.
  • + 2
 @endurocat: I’m gonna guess you’ve never actually met anyone who has chronic joint pains, or had them yourself
  • + 2
 @dv8416: Have these riders been tested for lyme. I have lyme and almost all they're symptoms matched mine.
  • - 5
flag trialsracer (Feb 15, 2019 at 13:29) (Below Threshold)
 @endurocat: sorry they down voted you. You're right (I might disagree about complex carbs, but I'm guessing that wasn't why you were down voted.)
  • - 3
 @endurocat: refined sugar no issue but agree with other points
  • + 0
 @shuttleboi: follow moveU guys, worth some time how many physical issues could be improved and pain reduced
  • + 0
 Honestly if there was ever a group to try breaking ground on with CBD ,,, MTB might be a challenge. I mean we are all full to the gills of real stuff, who trying to pay $100 a week for some gummy bears that only have CBD. No offense to real patients who benefit from treatments.
  • + 6
 @endurocat: “stay away from ... comple carbohydrates”
What in you definition is a “complex carbohydrate”? And why are they bad? According to the NIH
Oatmeal, brown rice, quinoa, potatoes, beans, peas and lentils are examples of complex carbs. Not sure why these, in contrast to simple sugars, would be bad.
  • + 2
 @mitochris: stay away from everything but Broccoli sprouts. Organic ones off course!
  • + 3
 If you ride/dig enough you can eat anything
  • - 5
flag meandros (Feb 16, 2019 at 6:10) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: That's quite cynical and very untrue. Alcohol is THE WORST to mix with any kind of activity and mixing it with biking is always a bad idea for the one doing it and others in the vicinity. The only use for alcohol, other than as a disinfectant, for human consumption is for a night-cap, one sole shot before sleep to help with muscle relaxation, but if one can do without even that, all the better. Moreover, I think level of inebriation is in question here, I mean a tripped-out rider is just as dangerous as a drunk rider. CBD/THC may well work for most, _in the appropriate quantities for the individual_ but that's not to say "smoked out riding" is safe... just my 2c.

natural selection? really? Do you pay taxes, do you pay the bank? do you pay pay and pay again with currency with someone else's name on it? and you still think you're all that huh...
  • + 2
 @meandros: your about as much fun as a paper bag, but very good at stating the obvious.
  • + 7
 @meandros: Alcohol disturbs sleep... google it.

I have no idea where did I endorse alcohol. I just said that usage of alcohol by other riders is more than fine by me. At least by people who don’t ride with me. Help yourself, I will post a hashtag #ridestrong or something if you post a pic of broken you on insta.

I am not fine with drivers using it. Just like drivers using weed or worse: insomnia. I like drivers who are woke as fuk.
  • + 3
 @endurocat: lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously you haven't had an injury or your 30th birthday yet....
  • + 2
 @Boardlife69: tell that to my mother in law who has brutal arthritis that had her bed ridden and sick from medications. She started CBD treatments and is totally off meds and is living life again. It also started up her thyroid which hasn't worked in 40 years...
  • + 3
 @d-man: was it the only thing she changed? The issue is just because it may have helped her, it doesn’t mean it helps 99% of people.

The latest woo woo I tried and dropped was cold baths. There are people who claim it healed their arthritis, tendonitis, acl and what not. How exactly?! There are people, tons of them, including physiotherapists, who claim that icing a muscle helps to heal the injury! It is fkng insane.

I just tried the “myofascial release” on my lower back, since internet is booming about it. Guess what. My back is now more fkd up that it has been due to SI joint injury. Stretching like Yoga is questionable as hell.

So well, it all “‘may” help, I am not saying it doesn’t, I am saying it surely doesn’t help most people. Like ibuprofen does reduce fever or Aspirine does thin the blood. Strength training or gumnastics do make you stronger.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: welcome in Amsterdam!
  • + 1
 @jason-99: =D Just GOT and HyperBaricOxygen for me
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Gotta be careful with myofascial treatments, highly specialized type of treatment that most professionals are not experienced/educated enough to do safely. Was told it's more for breaking down scare tissue within the muscles and what not. Wouldn't let anyone touch my back like that personally but my shoulders could use some work. It also hurts like hell until everything is broken down. Good luck getting your back fixed, dealing with 5 herniated discs myself. Getting old sucks, puff puff pass! lol
  • + 1
 @MikeGruhler: too late. Attachments of my glutes and longtitudal muscles of the spine are more fkd now than my SI joint was due to straining it while deadlifting. Lee Tidwell or james Wilson telling people to get golf ball and “dig deep”. I will tell you more, all these folks telling us to do yoga stretching for health, well do some basic reading on tendonitis and tendonisis and how stretching helps to heal splittered fibers in the inflamed tendon. But hey! Lifting will give you hernia!
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Intro to LAYER CAKE....
  • + 1
 @dirtspanker: Like religion? Jesus can't make my pain go away, but CBD does.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: yup that's it and under a doctor's direction. The amount of people it is helping is really amazing. Definitely not snake oil.
  • + 3
 @sourdiesel: Username checks out!
  • + 74
 I know a guy who rides and he’s involved in some sort of CBD oil MLM with UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL and GUARANTEED GROWTH, something, something, Bentley as a company car, sign up now, make money on a beach.

So it sounds pretty legit.
  • - 57
flag P90xgreg (Feb 15, 2019 at 7:04) (Below Threshold)
 Well, I've been in MLM for 8 years and love the industry..Its my only gig and yes i'm in one with CBD.. Smile Forbes is expecting the CBD industry to grow 700% in the next two years.... NOT all CBD is the same .

It takes work but is well worth it.
  • + 23
 @P90xgreg: All MLM’s are garbage, if a product is worth selling then get sales people or marketing folks on payroll like normal companies.
  • + 60
 @P90xgreg: user name checks out
  • + 6
 @arrowheadrush: already hit up all his friends and family, We’re next...
  • + 1
 @arrowheadrush: not checking out..and your lack of education on this subject is not worth me checking every day on PB to see who commented . It's the best business model out there ,period.

MLM's remove the need for distribution costs and advertising. Its a 275 billion a year industry ...NFL is 63 billion... And not I do not enroll friends and family...Only small business owners that understand the concept of business. Residual income is the ONLY way to live...

Look at all the bike companies going direct....Yt,Canyon etc... I guess their bikes are shit?

the wealthy and and build networks..everyone else looks for work...

Its the 21 century...The way we do business is changing...Look at Amazon, Uber, Air BNB..

Glad your happy being part of someones system , instead of leveraging one Smile
  • + 1
 @PtDiddy: Don't flatter yourself.. So many on here bitch and complain about the cost of bikes....I laugh and buy whatever I want.. thanks to 8 years in MLM...
  • + 60
 CBD is amazing and really helps with my back pain. But then I thought what else can this magical product do?? So my kitchen sink had a leak so I rubbed some CBD cream on it and boom....no leak!! I stopped changing the oil in my car and now run solely on CBD oil. The sky is limit and I don’t rely on traditional science anymore just “bro science” or any podcast that gives CBD discount codes.
  • + 6
 “I bet you jerking off would produce similar results in a clinical trial. "Wow, I'm sleeping much better now!"

In the name of science I will test this tonight!
  • + 6
 aaand I replied to the wrong comment. Putting the cbd down now and backing away..but doing so with less pain. Now on to science!!!
  • + 3
 @SacAssassin: we all support you in your quest.
  • + 37
 You may laugh but it cured my dogs back pain which really hurt him and wasnt able to walk, jump - basicly live. He is 11 years old good boy. Its chronic pain so taking pain killers would damage his liver in long term - natural pain killer is win-win situation, he takes it daily, loves the taste and loves food even more after CBD!
Next thing - using CBD in chemiotherapy helps with pain, recovery etc. Tested on my mother and it REALLY worked, no placebo.
Endometriosis - also helps with pain in this awful disease, also tested on my gf...
Its pretty fresh thing but I see big potential. It really works.
Sadly it wont be promoted, cause it cures a lot of diseases for less money. Thats not good for gentelmens in suits $$
  • + 2
 Pet Releaf? We tried it with one of our dogs and didn't notice too much of a difference. He's 13 though and his health is really up and down lately Frown so maybe trying it coincided with a bad stretch of health.
  • + 10
 I’m willing to bet big Pharma will grab hold of it soon enough, regulate the little guys out of the market, and raise the price.
  • + 5
 @speed10: quite the opposite. The reason they haven’t gotten into cannabis or even the proven benefit of medicinal mushrooms (not just psilocybin, but lions mane, reishi, and other gourmet types) is because they can’t patent nature. That’s really why you don’t ever see the results of the tests that HAVE been done. They don’t want to lose money
  • + 4
 I saw a person in chemotherapy being totally trashed,almost like an old rag,taking some Ganja cookies and 30 mins later being a person who can walk,eat and feel OK. We used to cook some cookies for this lady and other people in the same situation. At that time it was a game changer to some of them. Now here in Spain you can buy CBD in many places. Funny thing my old dog eat some weed while he was a puppy long time ago,since that he never touch again the weed hahahaha. I give him Organic Silicon from time to time to prevent Arthritis pain.
  • + 2
 @theronsta: Not patent it, but definitely regulate it. If there is money to be made, the big guys will find a way to all but monopolize the market in time.
  • + 1
 @speed10: the black market has thrived for decades, and will continue to thrive for generations to come
  • + 3
 @speed10: nope. They can’t regulate what we can grow in our backyards. That’s why they have hushed the benefits of mushrooms for so long, yet patent synthetic formulas based off these ever present living things we ourselves could use if given the proper information.
  • + 1
 @theronsta: I think I missed your point. Are you saying you can grow pot in your backyard and no one can stop you? That is false.
  • + 3
 @speed10: If they live in Oregon they totally can. Its completely legal.
  • + 30
 This has gone too far. The marketing is waaaay ahead of the science. There aren't any clinical studies to back up 90% of the benefit claims. People don't understand the significance of the placebo effect.

I bet you jerking off would produce similar results in a clinical trial. "Wow, I'm sleeping much better now!"
  • + 8
 Cbd has been in use in the medicinal California scene since the 90’s. There’s a bunch of studies m, but since it’s been federally illegal since the 60s those studies haven’t been recognized. I’ve seen cbd help many cancer patients, anyone with chronic pain, or just help maintain anxiety and a healthier lifestyle. My biggest thing with this CBD hype is that they’re not informing you if it’s hemp derived or cannabis derived and that’s a big difference of potency and quality. Cool read and we’re going on the right direction.
  • + 14
 "The marketing is waaaay ahead of the science." - agreed.
  • - 7
flag OneTrustMan (Feb 15, 2019 at 10:02) (Below Threshold)
 I never smoked weed. I only see other people do it and the more I observe them the less I feel like ever wanting to try. Those guys act so weird, slow zombie like body motions, talking pure nonsense, laughting at random and literally nothing and they smell really bad. The worst part is that they can't remember a thing. They talk about something, than instandly forget it and while trying to remember start laughing again. I know that has to do with drug overdose just like with alcohol. Still it creeps the hell outta me.
  • + 17
 @OneTrustMan: This is a small subset of people who smoke weed. For every obvious stoner you see there are many more that you never notice because they act and look totally normal.
  • + 6
 "The marketing is waaaay ahead of the science" - can be said about every single bike product. But when it comes to CBD, the closest match that comes to my mind is: "riding a hardtail makes you a better rider" or "since I bought a carbon bar, my arm pump has decreased a lot. It must be due to vibration damping properties".
  • - 2
 @OneTrustMan: It's called chilling out... You should try it sometime!
  • + 6
 @billreilly: it won't work for all people, for example many can't push through cortisol spike in the first few minutes after weed starts kicking in. I myself get the initial paranoia but I know that I can get through and it will be cool afterwards. Another thing is quite a few people took too many shots during their first experiences (like I did) so they get high as a house, and again the cortisol spike will get them real hard. My friend got super paranoid after we smoked weed and cops came up to us out of nowhere, asking if everything is alright. He got the typical "they know! they know!!!" Same is true of many other drugs, alcohol involved. Like people having terrible trips on psychodelics, the ego dissolving just doesn't work for them. I know 3 folks who get alcohol rage. You just see a person who acts normal and funny after 2-3 beers, then he takes one too much and the hell sets loose. A guy literally punched me out of nowhere, we were dancing and he just got violent. Another dude I know, we were drinking by a fireplace, he said he wants to go to sleep earlier. When we got back to the cabin, the place was wrecked.

Drugs have different effects on people, sometimes in different periods of their lives.
  • + 4
 The literature available on CBD's effect on everything (chronic pain, anxiety, depression, etc.) are limited in their scope, to put it lightly. Everyone needs to be EXTREMELY careful with the word "cure" here, as well - CBD can't actually cure chronic pain, anxiety, etc. - (or even more ridiculous, cancer, neurodegenerative disorders, what have you). Just like NSAIDs, opioids, etc, CBD masks the effect of chronic pain and may reduce stress, which we could then potentially draw a hypothesis that it may lead to the ability to improve your lifestyle, which in turn could have that "curing" effect we're all searching for, but CBD itself is not directly interacting with the mechanism of illness - or if it does, there is no comprehensive scientific evidence at this point to support it. CBD is not a one-stop shop for a cure, and it is NOT the answer to avoid pharmacologic intervention with products that have been clinically proven to improve outcomes.
  • + 1
 @billreilly: He's German, that's not likely to happen :-D
  • + 15
 @OneTrustMan: If smoking weed causes short term memory loss, what does smoking weed do?
  • + 2
 @jts429: Man, I clicked on your comment in my dash and by the time I got to the thread I'd forgotten why I was here.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Has anyone got any chocolate?
  • + 0
 @metaam: salt-coated M&Ms. Possibly a solution to every problem on earth.
  • + 3
 This is so true, we need double blind randomised controlled trials.
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 @OneTrustMan: you seem weird
  • + 1
 Still not sure the point of having a medical marijuana card when you can but CBD anything in every gas station and smoke shop without one. It's different state to state but in Oregon,Washington, Colorado, D.C. for example you just have to be 21 to buy real stuff. Seems like the card is some medical trickery since no insurance is ever going to pick it up. Hey is sour diesel a tier 4 or 5 copay. I tried It all, and I do mean all forms of real and CBD. There must be some positive effects for sick people but for real pain, forget it. Nothing like the real thing but 5 times the cost.
  • + 0
 @AdamBowden: Only Onnit uses those.
  • + 0
 @jdorw: Agreed. Been riding for 3 years. 5 days a week. 10 to 15 miles a day. Flow tracks and trails. Not slowly. Not a problem. Never not ridden stoned. Not carless. Well thought out. Sativas with little to no dizzy characteristics with high energy blends. When adrenaline kicks in and I meet a new rider I do have to be conscious or more aware that my euphoria is riding at a high too, and force myself to bring it down a notch, because I'm usually really happy and singing down the trail. I'm much safer than the novice trying to keep up with me. I'm focused only on the trail. Afterwards, gear down and go to work. I'm one of the rarely noticed that you mention.
  • + 33
 Dont you mean "Endurocanabinoids were discovered..."
  • + 21
 I'm here for the titanium bong. Is there some review in the pipeline ( Smile ) or should I order one anyway?
  • + 2
 Get the dangelbong!
  • + 4
 I think they fit in your bottle cage.
  • + 3
 Bongcycles were the clunkers to our modern-day full squish vapeduros. Waki is designing one as we speak and Hardtail Pete will god damn build it.
  • + 17
 Oh how nice! The topic of CBD magic solution or horse sht has just been on Joe Rogan.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHwSmwEwmV4&t=2s

But in my personal opinion as a couch specialist, CBD is indeed a wonderful substance that when introduced to Pinkbike comment board as a topic of discussion can stir up quite a nice fight between weed legalizers vs purists, while all weed should do is chill us down. Let's see
  • + 2
 actually watching that pod cast as this article pops up on PB!
  • + 1
 @nojzilla: it's a cut and dried synchro, but only if you're baked.
  • + 1
 Rolling up a blunt of legal CBD gummy worms right now man.
  • + 14
 Isolating a single component from a food is more often proven to mess up things. If CBD is good and it comes from a plant that also contains THC then you may actually be better off taking the THC along with it, as KJ seems to agree upon. Sure the way marijuana has been cultivated especially over here in The Netherlands the THC content may be excessive but you could just as well try to go back to a more toned down version. Just don't artificially try to remove the THC completely. It is part of it. Sure doping authorities and all that but I think it is about time they bugger off. As long as something as notorious as alcohol is accepted and even considered part of the deal (after ride beers, champagne on the podium) those WADA officials should definitely get off their high horse and stop disqualifying athletes who've been caught with a tiny amount of THC in their blood because they needed something to relieve their injuries. The only thing you realize with condoning CBD whilst still banning THC is that you require athletes to buy their stuff from the big pharmacies instead of just use something they can cheaply grow at home.
  • + 2
 Most weed you can buy are cultured for a high THC %... You cant buy real outdoor plants anywhere sadly.
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: Yeah, I know. Because that was a main interest. But the article states that they extract the CBD from strands with high CBD and low THC. So it is available. Technically just the plant would be fine for athletes to use but just because the WADA is so pointlessly strict athletes would have to turn to the commercial extracts which may not even be better. Sure the CBD high strands may be cultivated too (this time to harvest the CBD) but maybe if you allow everything to cross pollinate you end up with something more normal.
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: Take a look at growshopmarkt.nl and search for outdoor.
I think you will be able to find someone there who will send them to Austria.
Lots of guys with good seeds that are cheap, for whom this is just a hobby.
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: you can read up on different strains, THC, CBD, etc. on leafly.com. Make sure you use a VPN or TOR Browser if you access it outside of North America, you'll never know where that data might end up... Wink
  • + 12
 All this cbd talk is rubbish I have been smoking since the age of 12 right up to now 41 and I suffer from arthritis cbd on its own is poo if you want pain to ease then just get the real thing simple!! It is not a wonder drug that will cure everything but the weed sure will help! Stop trying cbd supplements and just go roll up a fat one and thank me later
  • + 9
 44 and smoking weed since 19. In Colorado and get better weed than you can hands down. I also been on CBD 2 years.

It is not even remotely the same.

CBD is almost nonexistent in normal weed as the focus was always on improving THC levels. Here in CO I can get weed with really high THC levels and yet only .0065 mg of CBD if any at all. Your average CBD capsule is 25mg and 50mg is most many will ever need (unless buying crap).

I light up on a regular basis with good old reefer, but it does very little at all compared to pure CBD.
  • + 31
 Not everyone wants to get stoned
  • + 22
 Not everyone wants to put particulate in their lungs.
  • + 5
 @rescuetool: That's why edibles and vaporizers exist. Once you try those, smoking it does seem pretty unhealthy. I think the high from edibles is far superior as well.
  • + 2
 @juansevo: thanks for speaking the most sense on here.
  • + 3
 I smoke pretty regularly and have found it can help somewhat with pain, but I started taking some CBD oil a few weeks ago and my chronic shoulder pain from 20+ dislocations, surgery, separation etc was gone within an hour and hasn't returned. I'm a covert... but that doesn't mean I've stopped smoking!
  • - 2
 @rescuetool: You breathe air you have "particulate" in your lungs.
  • + 11
 Well this is a good article with few research. We do not treat rheumatoid arthritis with naproxen and opioid. This is an autoimmune disease that eroded the articulations. All medications use at this moment are either immune modulating medication or cortisone base medication (only for induction). Either he did not have rheumatoid arthritis or he has osteoarthritis, commonly called arthritis, and yes cannabinoid do have there place in second or third intention for treatment.
We use CBC quite regularly for our palliative care patients with nice results. At the end of the day, natural or not, it’s still a drug
  • - 1
 Try Organic Silicum. It works as an nutritive thing-complement and you can use it in cream to apply over the pain areas.
  • + 0
 @AcadianMTB While naproxen won't cure RA you would still use it to treat symptoms of pain and inflammation. While there are probably better NSAIDs to treat RA, naproxen is cheap and available everywhere as an over the counter med, and with low daily dosing and long action it is an effective choice.
  • + 1
 @loganskis: well there is no cure for RA either. Yes naproxen can help with pain but it should not be for more than the induction phase of the therapy. An adequate treatment to control the autoimmune response will not need it
  • + 1
 @AcadianMTB: yeah i suppose controlling the autoimmune response would limit the inflammatory reactions leading to pain wouldn't it. I just looked it up in UpToDate, and NSAIDS were one of the primary treatment options. I really don't know a whole lot about RA yet. Are you a doctor?
  • + 1
 @lognar: I'm a family MD. I'm not a rheumatologist but i haven't seen any patients on NSAIDS as a primary treatment here in Canada.
  • + 1
 I think you're being pretty nominal with calling CBD a drug. The lack of psychoactive properties almost makes it seem more like a supplement than a drug, unless we're referring to it as a drug in the same way advil is?
  • + 1
 @AcadianMTB: right on, its interesting the disparities between the published stuff and what is actually done in practice. I'm in my first year in PA school, so obviously very green and rely a lot on literature for info when it seems like it isn't always followed or practical.
  • + 2
 @zaalrottunda: a drug is anything that has a physiological effect when introduced to the body. this includes things like oxygen or glucose that would be administered when indicated to produce a change in body function.
  • + 12
 I'm no doctor, but stopping a ride mid way at a nice viewpoint to sit down, have a snack and smoke a doobie makes the day nicer and helps forget all the scratches and dents in my body.
  • + 2
 Amen to that.
  • + 8
 I was so anti-oil / fru-fru B.S. A friend gave me a topical ointment and I almost laughed in his face. I had a persistent knee injury and a BIG trip coming up. I tried it and the effects struck me hard. It helped with pain and inflammation so much.
  • + 4
 You were against a plant? Wow!
  • + 10
 Easy canada. He's not even from this planet. @Golden-G:
  • + 5
 @freeridejerk888: it is a plant. 100% natural. How government can put someone in a cage for consuming, possesing, selling, or buying is beyond me. How anyone could ever support these laws speaks volumes about their ability to think for themselves. Right and wrong not legal and illegal. Government does not dictate morality.
  • + 10
 I'm more impressed that Missy Giove had 350lb of weed. I knew she had been busted for dealing but bloody hell that's a lot.
  • - 3
 It's been a while since I read her interview in Dirt magazine but I think it was for a friend who was in pain and needed it. Either way it is kind of daft having had to go to jail for something like that which doesn't do any harm to society and is perfectly legal in several countries. It is like a woman leaving Islam in Saudi Arabia and then having to flee for her life.
  • + 12
 @vinay:... 350. POUNDS. OF WEED. FOR A FRIEND. IN PAIN.
  • + 9
 @ratedgg13: A LOT OF PAIN
  • - 5
flag vinay (Feb 15, 2019 at 8:33) (Below Threshold)
 Let me find that caps lock key, where is it... Ah, there it is. Here goes:

WELL, MAYBE IT JUST ISN'T OUR BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT LET'S SAY THE LADY FROM SAUDI ARABIA LEARNED TO DRIVE A CAR BEFORE WOMEN THERE WERE ALLOWED TO, SHE TRAVELED WITHOUT PERMISSION OF HER MALE SUPERVISOR AND SHE HAD SEX WITH HER GIRLFRIEND THOUGH SHE DIDN'T MARRY HER. IT STILL DOESN'T HARM ANYONE AND IS STILL PERFECTLY FINE IN MORE THAN A FEW PLACES IN THE WORLD, LUCKILY. SO WHAT IF MISSY ALSO HAD 351LBS OF OATS. THAT'S A HUGE LOT INDEED. WAS HER FRIEND HUNGRY. DID SHE WANT TO BAKE A GLUTEN FREE SPACE CAKE? IT IS A LOT BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT WRONG.

OH BOY THESE CAPITALS ARE HURTING MY EYES. NOW HOW DO I TURN THIS OFF? OH, THERE IT IS, HERE GOES...

Ahhhh... much better now.
  • + 5
 @vinay: seeing as you're telling this to people who live in one of those countries where it is legal your response is a little baffling.
I'm merely pointing out that 350 lb of weed is immense. Like, over a 100 year personal supply, if the stuff didn't go bad (which... Unsurprisingly, it does).
And if you really buy the argument that it was for a friend in pain, let me know because I have a horse and 28.99mm crank to sell you.
  • - 1
 @ratedgg13: Seeing as I'm telling this from a country where it has been legal for longer than in yours (The Netherlands) my point was merely that sure it is a lot but it still sucks to see someone go to jail for doing something that didn't cause any harm. What if she had over 40 gallon of alcohol in stock? Would that be reason to send someone to jail?
  • + 11
 Beer is my supplement.......
  • + 0
 That shit is poison. Fact.
  • + 8
 Yes, delicious poison. @jclnv:
  • + 4
 @jclnv: Everything is poison. Fact
  • - 2
 @drunknride: Yeah no.
  • + 2
 @jclnv: everything has a point of toxicity, so everything is toxic, however everything is not poisonous.
  • + 3
 @PinkStatus: Well obviously I'm playing fast and loose with the wording but in terms of human health, beer is purely detrimental.
  • + 2
 @jclnv: human soul too?
  • + 1
 @BenPea: What's that?
  • + 1
 @jclnv: nevermind
  • + 9
 something tells me rat boy already consumes enough CBD and THC
  • + 2
 Yes, why didn't they interview him?
  • + 9
 @hamncheez: Because nobody understands a word he says
  • + 1
 @gnarnaimo: isn't that the point?
  • + 5
 I have been taking CBD rich extract from the legal weed store here in Canada for about a month to help with a recent concussion. Doctor actually recommended it to me, I did my research, tried it and oh boy does it help. Sleep improved a lot, it totally relaxed my nervous symptoms and most symptoms from the concussion are gone. Also as a disclaimer, I don't usually take supplements OR was I ever a regular weed consumer, so this was all new to me and I had zero expectations. It was a game changer for me.
  • + 2
 I thought that concentrates and extracts were not legal for the first year?
  • + 2
 @VPS13: Being sold in stores here. Seems there's s loophole
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 That’s interesting. I’ve had a bad back since a big crash about 10 years ago, compounded by an even bigger one in 2017 (compression fracture on t4)

Regular stretching and trips to the osteopath help manage it, but every so often it flares up and is properly debilitating. I don’t like the idea of constantly taking paracetamol/ibuprofen as I’m sure it can’t be good for your stomach/kidneys, so had been thinking about trying a more natural alternative ie. CBD

Fortunately I’ve also just moved to Canada from the UK so CBD is now a much more readily accessible option!

@drpepperrider2 - is there a particular type you went for? Like you I’m not a smoker/stoner and I haven’t really used supplements before, so it’s all still very new to me...
  • + 1
 I started taking it after a concussion (recommended by Dee Tidwell at Enduro MTB Training) and was def skeptic until that first night of sleep! Calmed my anxiety, which is one of the keys to recovery from a brain injury. I needed to rest and relax my mind as much as I could as a father of two young kids and a business owner. It also helped my separated shoulder pain without having to take something from pharma companies. Win-win in my book.
  • + 1
 @VPS13: make sure you get the real stuff at Cannabis NB or wtv province youre in. The other stuff going around on the internet is made from hemp and has been showed in labs to have a lot less cbd and sometimes none at all compred to what they advertise.
The one i tried is Free Solei and its carried in MTC oil.
  • + 2
 @speedfreek: yeah same, go for the cbd rich formula, the one I have is from Free Solei and is carried in MCT oil. Stay away from the internet stuff, get to your local legal dispensary. I take 1ml every evening. It also seems to calm my anxiety in a weird way, but it could be because it has anti inflammatory properties and that it relaxes the nervous system.

Do your research, some scientifix papers are out there, and JRE just had a “pot debate” with two expert and they both agreed that CBD was of no harm and can do a lot of good.
  • + 4
 "Cannabis has long been a fringe appurtenance to mountain biking"--

Fringe? I think it's time for a Pinkbike poll. I have a feeling mountain bikers are a bit higher on the "weed consumers per capita" scale than the general population.
  • + 1
 At least the ones I know.
  • + 4
 my 2c....
Inside a racing\competition scenario.... doctor prescribed use only.
This way it's for a noted medial reason, rather than artificial enhancement (but yes, I also know you can get doctors that willingly bend rules).
Outside... what ever improves your quality of life.

Placebo or not, if you feel it benefits you then that's great.
If you're thinking of trying it, lack of actual clinical data is a worrying sign.

Don't fall for marketing BS to think you 'need' it, of course they'll tell you it solves the worlds problems and makes you better (**the secret is all they just want your money!).
  • + 8
 “Does it get you high?”.

“No”.

Stops reading
  • + 2
 Did not mean to downvote. Sorry bud. Im not even high.
  • + 3
 All of these success stories people are posting are great, and I'm not dismissing them. But its nothing more than anecdotal evidence. As the article points out, its all kind of meaningless until these products undergo real scientific testing, with large sample sizes, control groups, placebos. etc, Its easy to dismiss it because no one thinks it applies to them (of course the effects are real), but the placebo effect is very real, which is exactly why scientific testing in done the way it is.

I'm not concluding that the products are total bullshit because we just don't know. But at this point most if the marketing is complete bullshit.
  • + 3
 After completely destroying my shoulder and having reconstructive surgery last summer they put me on a metric ton of opiates. While that helped with the post surgery pain those things are deadly. Switched to CBD in a couple forms and still use the cream daily on my still healing tender spots. Works for me, no side effects and I am not going to become a heroin addict due to withdrawals.
  • + 3
 I really do think there are medicinal uses for both CBD and marijuana, but what I do find frustrating is that the same people who decry the "big pharma conspiracy to take your money" are willing to sell their wares for literally any ailment you can imagine while claiming it will help. I have a sneaking suspicion that they're not doing it at a loss.

So it seems like CBD is one of those things that probably works for a narrow range of problems but is snake oil for the rest and is being sold accordingly. Legalization is an important step to allowing more/better research though.
  • + 4
 my body is a temple. That’s why I am very careful about what I put in it. Only the finest CBD oil I buy from a gas station in the shady part of town.
  • + 1
 "I think of my body as a temple. Or at least a relatively well-managed Presbyterian youth center." --Emo Philips
  • + 6
 "Yeah mate, it's just CBD in me bong...….." -Our favorite Rat
  • + 2
 Broke my heal in a mtb crash couple years back. Nasty injury, two surgeries, many screws and much time off my foot. They prescribed me a stupid amount of hydrophones (dilaudids). I only took them for a couple days, before turning to cannabis and CBD product to help. Not saying they can replace all of our pharma innovations, and I def hold modern science and medicine in high regard, but where possible if I can turn to a natural solution i will.
  • + 2
 Another persons story....tried many brands, for different pains (from herniated disc/nerve pain of which CBD did nothing), it did nothing for sleep aid, havent had much luck with any of them other than spending money on them-but medterra 750mg cream on muscle pain (sore back or my painful shoulder from riding bikes) does work wonderfully. Its hit or miss depending on brand and the pain. But even when I thought I found magic potion with medterra, for my muscle pain, I wonder if my ole remedies or arnica gel, tigerbalm, etc would have done the same, for less money?
  • + 6
 "Will CBD get you high?
No, CBD has no known psychoactive effects."

meh
  • + 3
 Cbd is a antagonist and limits the effects of Thc. Research also shows that CBD is most effective when used with Thc . I prefer a 10:1 capsule . After breaking my neck I was off opioids a week after surgery. With Opioids you feel nothing physically or mentally cannabanoids make everything tolerable and the anti inflammatory of effects Thc/ cbd/ cbg blow the wheels off anything I’ve ever used from big pharma . I’ve smoked since I was young and only gave medical marijuana credit for a great way to skirt the laws , that all changed after I had a legitimate need for it . Back on the bike and just as fast as I’ve ever been . If you’re a square you should keep a open mind . Research how weed was made illegal in the first place ( spoiler : textiles were threatened by hemp) . How about weed vs. alcohol? Give me a break alcohol is much more dangerous and damaging.
  • + 0
 @climber72: Woah bud, slow down on the alcohol hate! I find combining their powers give the best results!
  • - 2
 @climber72: weed vs alcohol
Crunch the numbers and you find weed is a bigger issue, alcohol only appears worse due to higher population drinking.
  • + 2
 @enduroFactory: what happens when people drink to much ? They puke every where drive their cars into other people and try to beat everyone up .What happens when they smoke to much pot ? They go to sleep before they can make it to the car . We probably don’t even need to bring up damage to liver and kidneys. I’m all about a cold one after I’ve earned it riding all day or some other form of kicking my ass , but day in and day out I see far more damage from booze than weed . End of the day everything takes it toll when used in excess . Be responsible and puke on someone else’s shoes and we’re good @endurbrofactory. Cheers
  • + 0
 @climber72: didn’t bring into the smoking aspect, but that’s a whole can of worms
  • + 2
 I live in Denver, Colorado. I have a bad disk in my back that occasionally gives me issues (I am 44 being riding BMX since 10, MTB since 1994). CBD helps tremendously with pain, stiffness when that flares up.

That said, gas station crap is mostly just that...crap. Make sure you know what you are getting. We don't buy CBD from the Quickie Mart around here.
  • + 3
 I see so many articles about the legitimacy of CBD, but it seems to be the only places to buy it are the most trusting vendors such as gas stations, vape stores, and those 'cash advance' places.
  • + 2
 I wouldn’t trust any place that doesn’t have legal or mechanical cannabis. CBD hype is so big that people are selling anything with “cbd” on it to profit off of uneducated customers. I work closely with cannabis derived cbd, and has seen it change many people’s way of life so it’s scary seeing the hyped build this much because that’s when the integrity and quality of the plant leaves
  • + 2
 I did read an article years back in high times (I know, not really credible) about the effect of the weed on blood presure an heart rate in atheletes that.... partake. An weather cannibis actually could be considered performance enhancing in minute doses
  • + 1
 I am skeptical of isolating specific cannibinoids. I use full Cannabis oil for chronic pain. The worse the pain is the less high I feel. If I take some on a low pain day I definitely feel the high. I doubt I could still be riding if it wasn't for the last 20 years of Cannabis use. Legality be damned, it works.
  • + 1
 Sounds to me like all of the people that testified for it said it was a positive thing. Yet the research doesn’t show that yet. So I’m thinking it is probably like a sugar pill. The athletes get better because they think they will, you know what I mean?
  • + 1
 I've seen it work wonders for lots of different people. Especially for recovery and chronic pain. But yes, it's definitely worth researching and knowing what you're looking to get out of it before blindly trying it. I tired the Floyd's of Leadville stuff pictured on the article thumbnail and it didn't work for me at all, so maybe I'll look for something else out there. It made me irrationally moody and grumpy, both while I was awake and once I was asleep.
  • + 1
 Kyle Jameson has it right in this statement, “I use both THC and CBD for pain relief, CBD is my main focus but to get the full effect for CBD you need a small amount of THC. I do notice a difference, my joints flare up after a ride, especially my knee."

CBD isn't a panacea, and it doesn't work for everyone. But it works great for me; and I can't take Tylenol.
  • + 1
 2 things each AM: WEED & COFFEE. After that, maybe I’ll try your snake oil cbd isolate. Trash in, trash out. I’ll take my CBD from a trusted grower. All my neighbors grow hemp, its been legal here in OR. Now, does it work? No,not for me. Trashed my back in a crash, tried cbd salves, edibles, etc. with little analgesic effect if any. Frankly, straight plain ol weed or a solid dab of concentrate works better. IMO.
  • + 2
 It’s weird, cause it’s kind of the same for me. But we found that if you’re a heavy thc user cbd won’t do too much. We’re too use to the psychological effect of cannabis so we’re always like “where’s the effects” cbd as very minute psychological effects so we need a SCINIFICANT amount to get proper relief. We relleased a 1:1 40% thc and 40% cbd with a specific formula of cannabis derived terps, and it’s changed my life lol
  • + 1
 Started running regularly for the first time in my life a few months ago. Been using a little topical cbd on ankles and knees both before and after exercise. It's definitely not a magic bullet, but offers some anti inflammatory relief similar to arnica.
  • + 1
 I am a regular thc consumer. I really wanted CBD to work for my injuries (broken bones from crashes over a 10 year period). I avoid pharma like the plague. I was turned on to a natural substance that has been used by SE Asian manual laborers for centuries. It is called Kratom. You may have seen it popping up in the news as a controversial drug lately. I have been using it for 4 years now. It is the only thing that has consistently worked for my pain relief. It also helps out with anxiety and depression. I can't say enough good things about Kratom. The FDA placed it on schedule 1 about two years ago. This move received so much backlash from military/army vets, they unscheduled it and are researching it now. To my knowledge, it's the only drug in US history to be unscheduled. It's a super drug with the potential to steal sales from true opiates, and since it's merely a plant, it's not patentable (no money to be made without altering it's chemistry). No better way to prevent it's use than to scare our citizens who really need it.
  • + 9
 Kratom is addictive. Long term use causes liver damage. It also wreaks havoc on your gut biome and causes major constipation. It's not a miracle drug. It's a good way to get off heroin and it may be good for temporary pain relief but there are no free lunches. It definitely shouldn't be something you take for 4 years straight. Be careful man.
  • + 1
 @WestwardHo: this.

It’s uo there with phenibut, “natural relaxation” but they all act on the same neurological pathways and what regulates up must regulate down when stopped, and down regulation ain’t no fun for nobody lol.
  • + 0
 Yes, plz be careful w Kratom. I'm in recovery (let's just leave it at that), and have spoken with MANY doctors. Not technically an opiate due to being derived from a different plant, but its chemical composition is that of an opioid, latches on to the same receptors, and causes physical and mental addiction. Your liver and other vital organs are taking a beating with Kratom use. You heard it here, please do some more research and be well.
  • + 0
 @WestwardHo: Do you have any links/data to prove your statements?
  • + 0
 @DirtbagMatt: Can you show me the research you have been looking at?
  • + 1
 @mrniceguy42: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4657101 it’s pretty clear that it’s not good for you.
  • + 2
 @yzedf: the guy said "I avoid pharma like the plague". I doubt he will trust a scientific review saying what is like is dangerous.
  • + 1
 @zede: sadly true
  • + 1
 I use CBD daily. I prefer a non THC just for personal reasons. It has help me get back on the bike quickly after I was involved in a high speed car accident. It helps on days of riding, jumping and trail building. I have become a huge fan of it. There is a company out there that uses a US Patented CBD oil. Best on the market. Check them out. Kentinjax.vasayo.com They ship it right to your house.
  • + 1
 If this works for you, fantastic. Of course it won't work for everbody. Bodies are different. I'm surprised at the juvenile responses on here comparing it to weed smoking. Aspirin is willow tree bark and works amazingly well to thin blood amongst other things. Not all medicine needs to be synthetic. Even if it is a placebo, which I doubt, if it works for you, more power to you. Thanks for the article, Carry on.
  • + 1
 The problem is that weed was legal and there was studies and information on it, but Nixon had it made illegal and had all the books and information destroyed..we need to be educated on the pro's and cons through studies before we can have a real opinion..the stigma of it being illegal sways peoples opinions against as they are not educated
  • + 1
 What the point of the article?? For recreation or fun lots of people use drugs which are legal or not. For medical purpose the same. For professional athletes? They use supplements doping etc, which why regulations are in place. There are nothing wrong with using drugs for healing temporary, however professional sport have rules that everyone should follow and everyone agree with them when decided to compete professionally.


CBD/THC or whatever could be the most powerful tool, however in case it is not allowed against professional athletes, compete without using it be disqualified. That's fair
  • + 1
 Did you even read the article?
  • + 1
 theoriginalalternative.com/product-category/whole-plant-extract. tho yeah you’ll want to stick with indica stuff. remember it’s all individual responsibility and not all brands are equal. hopefully now everyone will stop asking will hemp seeds get me high, obviously it’s just one of the most nutritionally complete food source, that’s all.
  • + 1
 I took cbd and thc in the forms of RSO (Rick Simpson oil) while recovering from a shattered spleen this fall. Kept me off all the pain killers the hospital was trying to prescribe me with and allowed me to sleep full nights. I'm a believer in it for sure. Nothing is better than not getting hooked on some pharma pill.
  • + 1
 Cannabis products work for me.

I went from 20+ percocets, and 8+ oxy's a day down to 2 oxy's and 1 - 3 percs. Life is So much better now that I'm not a pill junkie. I can eat, sleep, no more ulcers, no more withdrawls, no more junkie mood swings, I could go on...

I love to smoke & love my edibles!
  • + 1
 It's great to open dialog regarding alternative medicines for athletes, many times the only options are opioid pain medications and anti-inflammatory drugs, which of course have there place, but there are other ways to do it that some consider a "cleaner" method. CBD's (there are a lot of different kinds) "can" be an alternative, but they don't always work for every person or situation. I've tried it and it helped certain inflammation problems I had, but it did absolutely nothing to relieved spinal issues, such as a disc bulge pushing on a sciatic nerve, but heck it's great to discuss this if it can help someone!
  • + 1
 Sure it sounds like it worth the try in little chronic suffers, but forgot it in case of arthritis crisis, inflammation, and neuropathic pain where even opioid fails.
  • + 1
 @Clem-mk: I found the only thing that helped my spinal/neuropathic issues long term was core strength training, acupuncture and switching to a anti-inflammatory diet as much as possible and more strictly when flare-ups occur. Most of my issues are disc/nerve impingement related and I've been suffering since I was 15 yrs old, but I also broke my neck in 2008 and lower back in 1999, so it was always a struggle and my only relief was cortisone injections. I discovered a OMD near my job, about 10 years ago, and he helped me so much that even my orthopedic Dr. was dumbfounded. I just can't believe that a anti-inflammatory diet helped so much because now any flareups and I just tweak my diet a bit and it gets better and stays that way, strange but I'll take it!
  • + 1
 I don't think it's a placebo, some pain it didn't help and other pain it really took the edge off. It is also important to find a good brand. I hit the ribs, was having trouble getting in and out of the van on the way home, got home, took some and it really worked. Sadly with ribs it just get worse so a few days later painkillers were needed as well.
  • + 1
 Not to knock people's use of CBD or THC, if it works for you great.
But, I can say in the EMS and medical world during surgeries there is a reduced efficacy of pain medication with people the regularly smoke weed. I’m not sure if it only correlates to THC or CBD, but the reduction is significant. People with broken bones or coming out of surgery have difficulty getting the pain relief they want. Not deterring people from making their own choice, but make it educated. If that risk doesn’t bother you, then by all means partake.
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 Naproxen isn't an opiate based medication
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 I compound dislocated w/ a fracture my thumb ( broken bone sticking out of the skin) last summer riding when i got taken down by a baby head rock that was in a high speed berm. I used cbd to recover from the surgery rather than that opioid crap they tried to pour down my throat. worked like a charm.
i do live in colorado though so follow your local laws.
  • + 1
 With over 88,000 health related deaths from alcohol every year in the United States (that's not counting all the stupidity deaths), one must wonder why alcohol doesn't get put on the chopping block like cannabis (or CBD). Oh, that's right, corporate profits. Silly me! Death is big business, those fat cats don't want CBD encroaching on their money trucks. Simple math people. Bottom line, I still wonder why humans get so hung up on what others put into their body. We are a unique species that's for sure.
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 I use CBS oil everyday. First you have to make sure its 100% with nothing else and a high enough concentration to actually work for you. Mine has 1000mg at 1ml per dose. That's about 33mg per. I use it for a chronic disease I've had since I was a kid but it has helped with nagging knee issues and I have yet to fight off a lingering repeating headache I get as the result of severe concussion from a bike crash a few years ago.

I feel a bit more relaxed also. So it works for me. Ymmv.
  • + 1
 Theres a big difference between a full spectrum hemp extract and CBD alone. Full spectrum has all the medicinal qualities of hemp as it has in nature. CBD is only part of the story and is weaker on it's own.
  • + 1
 "The number of UK users doubled last year" - from what, to what? And how accurate do we think those stats are, given that the article states a number of riders wouldn't get involved?
  • + 0
 Drink more water. Eat real food, if your cart at the grocery store isn’t at least half raw fruits and veg you’re doing it wrong. Stop taking ibuprofen, it’s terrible for kidney function. Supplements are meant to fill in the gaps in eating real food, not to be the way you get your nutrition.
  • + 1
 I've been using CBD for two years for pain and inflammation caused by injuries and the effects of an aging body. IMO, it has made a big difference in pain management and recovery.
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 I personally think everyone that is actually interested in the medicinal side of cbd should look in to terpenes. It’s the flavor and smell of the cannabis plant, but it’s what makes us feel the desired effects. Terps are just aroma therapy, its everywhere from lavender, mangos, pine trees etc. That’s whats really going to change the game, thousands of years in the making.
  • + 2
 This won’t cure anything, it just suppressess your excuse until the next dose, and the next! You might well smoke something!
  • + 2
 Oregrown is controversial? First I have heard and they are like blockas away from my house. But way to hype the story Pinkbike!
  • + 4
 They're involved in a bunch of legal battles, and every time they've been seen on PB before (during our coverage of Black Sage Fest last year) there's been a vocal group calling them out for apparent business tactics and product quality. They also have their defenders.

Lots of people with strong opinions either way? Textbook controversial.
  • + 4
 Slow week in Mountain Bike News Land?
  • + 3
 Christ can't even go on Pinkbike with people banging on about weed and CBD. Worse than crossfitters at the moment.
  • + 1
 The CBD fad can't go away quick enough.
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 Denning76- Nothing is worse than crossfitters talking about crossfit. Except maybe crossfitters taking selfies while they are crossfitting.
  • + 1
 well, at least it’s not sponsored by reebok....
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 @robdpzero: Give it time.
  • + 1
 I don’t know, but if I got a issue find the reason and work towards a solution. I don’t cut myself each day just to reapply a plaster
  • + 1
 This guy had a stress problem and Cannabis helped his symptoms so he decided to sell it. Fixing the root problem would be better than throwing money at symptoms.
  • + 1
 Does it help you sleep better? Even after a hard ride and "feeling" tired I rarely get over 5 hrs of sleep so if it helped with that I'd consider it.
  • + 1
 "CBD is one of the active cannabinoid compounds in the cannabis plant but it crucially doesn't have the psychoactive effects of the other main component, THC." - BORING.
  • + 1
 based on the comments read so far, this reads exactly like any wheelsize comment debate, or most any new or unknown technology.
  • + 3
 I’m way too high to be reading this article right now.
  • + 1
 "Can you overdose on CBD?
No known fatal overdoses have ever been reported from CBD."
Or weed as far as I know. Unlike water, which can be fatal if consumed to excess.
  • + 1
 So.... if CBD is not psychoactive, how does it have anti-anxiety and pro-sleep effects. Last time I heard, those are brain-regulated effects.
  • + 1
 More like neurochemical responses to the body's inability to regulate stressful stimuli
  • + 3
 A fringe appurtenance?? Someone got a dictionary for xmas!
  • - 1
 Don't waste your money buying from the one of hundreds of snake oil peddlers on the market.

If you want quality, tested CBD from an actual reputable processor, buy from www.thecbdistillery.com

No MLM, no reseller, no middleman, etc.

As a cannabis grower, I'd rather see more people consuming full spectrum cannabis oil, but a brand such as the above is what I would recommend for people wanting to go the "other" route.
  • - 1
 I've tried a couple different manufacturers and cbd distillery is where I landed. Quality stuff as far as I can tell.
  • + 2
 So half the EWS field will be admitted to hospital with cannabinoid hyperemetic syndrome next round?
  • + 2
 Nothing to suggest Tahnee uses CBD: Except when she was completely baked after the world champs.
  • + 1
 The AMA just announced that supercross and motocross racers cannot be sponsored by CBD companies. Dean Wilson's gonna have to permanently cover his logos
  • - 1
 reep the same benifits of CBD with these 4 easy steps:

1. remove the lid of your tupperware "coffee table"
2. take 2 rips from the 2liter diet cherry shasta cola g-bong setup thats starting to look like chocolate is growing on the inside
3. tell your roomate you thought that stinky nug was yours (plus you bough the grinder, didn't you?)
4. take him to taco bell to say you're sorry and bump some cypress hill along the way
  • + 2
 for step 4, you can generally swap cypress hill for some yellowman or dead meadow as well.
  • + 1
 This could work.
  • + 1
 I was just waiting for the article to say it also improves your energy levels, lasting longer and sex drive. I thought all natural supplements did at least that now a days.
  • + 1
 Are there any studies I can read on the wfficacy of CBD for treating...anything?
  • + 4
 Unfortunately, all we've got is a bunch of pre-clinical trials, some limited studies with human subjects, a ton of anecdotal evidence, and even more misleading marketing material. But I still came away from the lit reviews I've read feeling optimistic, and I know it works for me personally--especially the anxiolitic effects and effects on sleep quality. Whether or not it can beat placebo in human trials is an open question though, and it's long term safety certainly has not been tested. Honestly, my biggest worry is not with the substance, but is in finding a reputable manufacturer. It is not a well defined market right now and is really difficult to navigate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5569602
  • + 1
 They forgot to mention Sam Brown from NWD 3 and his helicopter with 350lbs of BC bud.
  • + 1
 I'm interested in any research or articles on CBD as a treatment for CET cheers
  • + 1
 take it from one of the most injured peeps of our tribe:

www.instagram.com/p/Bsq2LQ2HyRZ
  • + 2
 What happend to miles rockwell
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 Smoke weed everyday........
  • + 2
 Does cbd oil work well for chain lube?
  • + 2
 Pastrana's knee seams to be way better since he's using cbd
  • + 3
 where´s Ratboy?
  • + 1
 I think they should all do drugs right before the start. Would really up the entertainment factor.
  • + 3
 1:1 ratio works the best
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 Where's the coupon code ?
  • + 2
 I don't have time to read this article. I gotta go smoke a joint.
  • + 1
 Snickers and beer are my MTB fringe appurtenances.
  • + 1
 CBD is being marketed to everyone right now.
  • + 1
 snake oil. next question.
  • + 1
 I'm Kyle J , and love this shit !
  • + 1
 Try High Drate with CBD from Kona Gold
  • + 1
 Just eat well you weenies.
  • + 1
 Hum... cbd eh? Maybe this might help my knee pain. Call me!
  • + 1
 Nothing but wholesome clean organic nutrients in this Temple
  • + 1
 Best part of the article: "social media egomaniac Dan Bilzerian..." haha
  • + 1
 Dangle Bongs are the only known cure for pain
  • + 1
 CBD damn autocorrect and no comment edit function
  • + 1
 It helps me with my epilepsy I'd say its pretty amazing!
  • + 1
 sometimes I think someone is following me
  • + 2
 use promocode biz20
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 This isn't eagle energy son.
  • + 1
 SMP
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 That's not funny...
  • - 2
 CBD is NOT legal in Canada....yet

although you can legally buy some strains that are 0% THC and 5-15% CBD.
  • + 1
 There is a strain called Balance that's at Evergreen (legal) in Vancouver that's about 5-8% THC and 10-15% CBD.
FYIWink
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