Cedric Gracia Signs with Giant

 @notthatfast: solution don't buy an ebike

 @weebleswobbles:
for the neg-proppers, maybe I should explain. I'm a bike mechanic, not an eeber.
Crappy ebikes sadly affect us all, not just the people that ride them. Man y'all are judgy with your props.

 @notthatfast: don't sell e-bikes...

 @Phipu:
Man, if only that were my choice...

 @weebleswobbles: @weebleswobbles: agreed. Mopeds break because they're not bicycles or motorcycles. They know how pathetic their existence is and just want to die of humiliation for being the ultimate inbred cousin on the back porch. They break to end their own miserable being.

 @blowmyfuse:
Love your self righteousness My friend but e-bikes and mopeds are not the same thing and I’m pretty sure you know that

 @notthatfast: an ebike is an electric moped.

 @notthatfast: sure, you've got to sell whatever sells, wether it's e-bikes, normal bikes or mopeds. And that products often are shit when they get on the market is true aswell.
If there is more electeonics and software involved, it's harder all the way to impossible to repair...

 I wonder why people hate e-bikes, but still shuttle and ridebike parks with uplifts. It's basically the same thing in principle, just more flexible.

 @Phipu: in germany last year, 48% of all sold bikes were ebikes. 18% were electric mtbs. 3% were non electric mtbs. if you really think you can operate a shop in such an environment by ignoring a huge slice of the market you are not really a good entrepreneur…

 @notthatfast: I really want to sling insults at you because you sound that stupid. The two words combined are motor and pedal. E-bikes are mopeds.

You're talking about liquorcycles. Aprillas, Honda Ruckus...those are motorized. Not MoPeds.

I rode mopeds as a kid in the 80's. Start to pedal, it kickstarts a weak ass motor. You still have to pedal up the same hill, but the motor helps your ass out. You get there faster than you would on a bicycle.
But you don't get there or have the fun of a moto. You look stupid to the guy on a moto.
You look lazy to the cyclist as you pass...still having to breath heavily.

They were a stupid waste of money in the 80s. Still are now.

 @blowmyfuse: I really want to sling insults at you because you sound that stupid. I think you are confusing mopeds with pedelecs.
Mopeds CAN have pedals, but don't have to. Pedelecs (ebikes as disussed in this forum) HAVE to have pedals. No mopeds nowadays have pedals. Stop comparing the present with the 80's because the 80's are long past.

Unless you still ride around on a 80's MTB, STFU and have go have som fun on your bike instead of gatekeeping, it makes you look more stupid than the guys who have fun on their ebikes who pass you sorry ass and makes you look like an old fool.

You obviously haven't tried an eMTB proper and seem to hate fun. (Yes eMTBs are fun, and yes I have tried several and own one as well as regular meat-bikes)

 @blowmyfuse: brilliant insult, nice work. It's a shame things have gone this way but I'm still interested to see where things go. Most of us will at least try one at some point.
At the moment I totally agree with you. Imagine, carrying around a heavy battery and motor and I've still got to pedal the thing? Worst of both worlds. Garbage ;-)

 @blowmyfuse:
I mean if you want to compare apples to oranges, sure. Thing is, you and I both know that the definition of "moped" has changed as the English language evolves, because that's what happens.
If you REALLY want to get into semantics, which it seems like you do, the traditional definition of the word "moped" is incorrect anyways because they don't have a motor (electric), they use an internal combustion engine. Those two things are quite distinct and so I'm pretty sure that despite your personal feelings towards mopeds we can both agree that a "moped" by its current colloquial definition is quite different to a class 1 electric mountain bike, whether you like it or not, both legally and physically.

I could break it down for you but I'll just leave you with this link that makes it quite clear.
www.aventon.com/blogs/aventon_bikes/difference-between-a-class-123-ebike

 @Sethimus: E-MTB already have a share of about 90 percent of MTB sales: of 931,600 units, 836,000 were sold with motor and battery last year.

 @Tiez: statistics are not for everyone to understand…

 @notthatfast: Motors aren't exclusively electric, they can be internal combustion as well.
hence why just about anything powered by an engine is preceded by motor... motor vehicle, motorbike, motorcar, motorboat, motorhome... etc.

Its a device which converts a form of energy into mechanical energy to produce motion, be it electricity or fuel.

source: any dictionary

 Gracia + Warner = perfection

 I believe he did comment with Rob back in the freecaster days or maybe even early redbull? I think he even raced one and then went to comment after his run. And there might have been one when he was drunk

 @winko: Yes. It was not pretty and should be repeated asap.

 That would be glory-ous.

 @bigtim: Well yeah, that should do. You can't really reign if you're in trance, can you? For a moment I was worried they shipped him too much xtc, even though that would bring the nrg. Ah well, as he'd probably say, you only liv once.

 Everyone’s got bills to pay

 I wondered that too and asked forestal. He apparently was never a share holder or something alike of forestal and just sponsored by them. they ended their contract last year

 @bashhard: I was following Forestal for a while and eager to see what they would bring to the market but now I wonder if they even make mountain bikes anymore. I don’t think there has ever been a review here or NSMB or Vital. Shame as they seemed innovative.

 @sngltrkmnd: Dude, all you had to do was google "Forestal Bikes", and you'd see they're for sale on many online retailers, including Worldwide Cyclery

 @sngltrkmnd: They make super highend ebikes, aka the things that will get flamed to oblvion on PB/Vital.

 @bashhard: Yeah right. The way it ws promoted a few years before they released anything i could of sworn he was an active , financil partner. I guess it shows how the "influencer" trail can work.

 No no. Cobrava com a embaixador i desenvolupador de producte. Res mea

 Nope, barely any race even, CG is not famous because of his results, mostly because of his exuberant personality.

 @Balgaroth: Won a Rampage though... that has to count for something

 @awitty: NWD part with the boat chase is still the GOAT.

 @awitty: and did a backflip on a 4X race!

 My understanding from something I read was the Cannondale Volvo team Management kept asking him to stop airing out the jumps during his runs so that he could have a better race run time. Haha.

 Several times second overall in downhill AND dual-slalom/4X, while putting a great show for the fans. Legend.