Check Out: A Youth Neck Brace, Suspension Service, Hydration Pack, & More

Dec 3, 2019
by Nikki Rohan  



A lot of gear comes across our desks here at Pinkbike. Check Out is an occasional round-up of everything our tech editors have gotten their hands on. Sometimes it's products we're doing long-term tests on, other times it's stuff we're stoked on but don't have time to fully review. And, sometimes it's crazy shit someone sent us unsolicited and we're having a laugh.

Just in time for the holidays, here's my recent collection of unique items and deals that might also interest you.




Hydro Flask Down Shift 14 Liter Hydration Pack

Hydro Flask press launch

Corie Spruill Photography
Sunrise on the White Rim Trail. Photo: Corie Spruill
Hydro Flask press launch
The guava colored Down Shift. Photo: Corie Spruill
Corie Spruill Photography
Rim Tours guides showing us our daily route. Photo: Corie Spruill
Corie Spruill Photography
The Hydro Flask press launch crew. Photo: Corie Spruill


Features
• 14-liter internal volume with a 2-liter insulated reservoir
• Colors: Sapphire, Guava and Black
• $135 USD
hydroflask.com
• Insulated HydraPak IsoBound 3-liter sweat-proof neoprene internal sleeve
• Articulated back panel to allow airflow between you and your pack
• Multiple internal pockets for tools, sunglasses, keys and other essentials.
• Streamlined design transfers weight from shoulders to hips

bigquotesHydro Flask has become known for for their vacuum insulated bottles and coffee mugs, but they are relatively new to the hydration pack realm, having only just released their first pack, the Journey Series this past Spring (review can be found here). When the opportunity came up to head to Utah this past October to check out their latest hydration pack offering, the Down Shift, I couldn't pass it up.

Three full days of off-the-grid exploring by bike on the White Rim Trail in Canyonlands National Park left me pretty impressed with this pack. It's lighter, less bulky and generally geared more towards mountain biking adventures than their Journey Series packs. The articulated back panel offered excellent airflow to keep my back from getting overly sweaty. The weight distribution was balanced and felt comfortable. Internal pockets offer a variety of storage options, and there is a scratch-resistant front zip pocket for sunglasses storage. The thing I like most about this pack, though, is the HydraPak IsoBound 3-liter internal sleeve. Why? On the first day, we each started the day off by putting ice in our water reservoir and then slipping it into place in the internal insulated sleeve. The water stayed cold for over 4 hours, impressing us all as the sun and heat beat us down. On the final day, I squeezed a cold beer can into the sleeve. When the ride was done, I was able to enjoy that barley pop a bit cooler than cowboy cold.

While this pack isn't available until Spring 2020, I would keep it in mind as a seriously consider it a top contender if you are looking for a full hydration pack that is comfortable, well designed and has an effective hot/cold insulated reservoir.



POC Womens Ultimate VPDS Bib Shorts

POC bib

The stretchy back design allows one to easily pull down for a quick potty break.


Pinkbike Fall Gear Guide 2019
Trailside sunbathing.
Pinkbike Fall Gear Guide 2019
Perfect for full days in the saddle.


Features
• Color: Navy Black
• Sizes: XS - L
• $200 USD
pocsports.com
• Women-specific VPDS Multi D chamois
• Extra stretchy overlap design for quick toilet breaks
• Integrated leg gripper


bigquotesI'll confess that I love bib shorts. For any ride over about an hour, I will choose a bib 99.9% of the time -- comfort over style. The POC Women's Ultimate VPDS Bib shorts arrived on my doorstep just in time for fall shredding. I'm typically a size medium and the size medium fit me as expected. The bibs offer a comfortable, breathable fabric that is tight where it needs to be yet stretchy where you want it. This bib is designed to be used either as a liner (under my MTB shorts) or a top layer (road cycling lycra). It's also one of a handful of women-specific designs that allows trailside relief (i.e. peeing) without having to do a striptease. While POC uses their own creative stretchy design to achieve this feat, it's worth noting it's not a new innovation but a variation of what other companies are doing (Giro, Specialized, Patagonia to name a few).

Overall, I was pretty stoked on this bib. I'm to the point where I won't purchase a bib that doesn't include a bathroom break friendly design and I was happy with POC's design. I spent many hours in the saddle and on the trails and have found the chamois to have the perfect amount of padding. The material is breathable and comfortable, and I had no weird chaffing issues any complaints with the chamois. Most importantly the chamois pad was slim enough that I didn't feel like I was wearing a diaper. I'd call this bib short the perfect addition to my collection.



LIV Tesca Clipless shoes

Liv Tesca

Pinkbike Fall Gear Guide 2019
Liv Tesca sole.
Tesca
The Tesca Boa system and forefoot strap.



Features
• Color:Black
• Sizes: EU 37 - EU 43
• $275 USD
liv-cycling.com
• Full rubber outsole (heel/midfoot) for durable grip
• BOA closure system integrated with ExoWrap™ for secure fit and support
• MES composite plate for a lightweight and stiff sole


bigquotesLiv's updated Tesca is a proper light-weight off-road riding shoe. It's designed around Liv's Dynamic Cycling Fit, which is aimed to increase power transfer while maintaining comfort. The shoe can handle everything from XC racing to hours mashing up trails or gravel roads. I've had the Tesca's for just over a month and in that month I've logged about 10 hours of riding them, with a blend of trail riding and mixed-surface road/gravel outings. I tend to like a stiffer riding shoe, so the carbon sole fit nicely with my preferences. While ten hours isn't all that much, it's enough for an initial positive impression and I haven't noticed any abnormal foot fatigue or discomfort.

The shoe is comfortable and size EU 41 fits my US 8.5 foot perfectly. The shoe was wide enough to wiggle my toes, but snug enough to cradle my foot with no heel slippage. The Tesca's feature a velcro forefoot strap along with a micro-adjustment BOA closure system that integrates with Liv's ExoWrap technology for a secure fit without any noticeable pressure points.

The rubber outsole provides good grip walking around the trails. One thing to note - I failed to check that I could easily clip into my 2019 Shimano XTR (PD-9120) trail pedals before heading out to ride. When I got out on to the trail, low and behold, I couldn't clip in as the pedal design didn't play nicely with the Tesca's deeper style cleat pocket. I had no issues after I swapped my pedals out to a first generation pair of XTR trail pedals. That being said, a simple shim under the cleat solved the problem and, lesson learned - don't ever assume. Not a deal-breaker by any means but if you prefer to ride the new XTR trail pedals, be aware that you may need to shim the cleat.

Bottom line, this is a great clip style shoe for XC racing, trail riding, and gravel riding, particularly someone looking for high end comfort with the power transmission a carbon sole offers paired with sleek style.



WHOOP Strap 3.0

Whoop strap

Whoops trap and data
Whoop Strap 3.0 Sleep Statistics. A good nights sleep.
Whoops trap and data
Whoop Strap 3.0 Activity Statistics. Gym intervals.


Features
• Lightweight, waterproof, BLE compatible
• 5-day battery life
• $30/month for a strap and access to the app for a minimum 6-month window
• Whoop Live allows you to use the app to record a video of your workout to social media with your heart rate information superimposed on your video
• Holiday special: 25% off 1-year Whoop membership ($18/month, $216/year)
whoop.com




bigquotesI've been pondering purchasing a smartwatch for quite some time to get a better gauge on my quality of sleep and heart rate during activities so when the WHOOP Strap 3.0 came into my hands, I was totally on board to see what kind of feedback it would give me. First off, the Whoop Strap is not a smart "watch". There is no digital display to answer all your questions, no Dick Tracy phone, and no access to the google-webs. But it is a fancy (although low key), wearable smart band that links to a super impressive app that is designed for athletes. Without the need for digital display, the Whoop Strap is fairly stealth, weighs next to nothing, and (from a style perspective) has a large selection of different band colors.

So what's it do? First point - the Whoop Strap tracks your sleep. Each morning when you open the app and hit the little "process" button, it analyzes your night and then produces a "Sleep Performance" value based on those numbers and some user input. Secondly (and the most important analysis I get from this thing), is what they call a "Recovery" percentage. This is what separates the Whoop Strap 3.0 from most of its competition. This number is calculated using your heart rate variability, resting heart rate and your sleep. On mornings I woke up with a super low recovery number, I could see my performance in the gym was below average and on mornings when it was high, I was definitely feeling pretty dang good.

Out of the box, the Whoop Strap was simple to charge and set up. The app is very user-friendly, and as I am approaching wearing this thing for almost a month straight, I feel like it has really provided me some useful life feedback. A little background before I tell you why: I am a pretty routine oriented person. I tend to get 7-8 hours of sleep every night and fall through spring, I regularly wake up at 4:30am Monday thru Thursday to hit an alternating strength/cycling class before heading out to toil in the salt mines. I also was racing cyclocross most weekends this fall and fitting in test rides when I could. So lots of data to "analyze." The Whoop Strap helped me start seeing trends in my low recovery and high recovery days, which led me to understand why my recovery percentage sucked on certain days of the week, even when I wasn't working harder than other days. The culprit? Things like stress and alcohol seemed to be my "low" triggers and impacted my overall fitness more than I had realized. Lastly, the Whoop Strap does evaluate "strain" as well, which isn't stress, but a summary of how hard you worked throughout the day.

The app wasn't perfect—I ran into a couple little bugs; but overall I have been happy with the Whoop Strap 3.0 as it has provided me with useful performance and recovery data without the added distraction of a clock or texts showing up on my wrist. The biggest drawback is that you can't just purchase the thing - you have to sign up for a monthly or yearly membership with prices ranging from $18 - $30 USD per month depending on how long you commit (note: the current holiday pricing offer for the Whoop Strap 3.0 includes 25% off a 1 year WHOOP membership , meaning $18/month/$216 for a year. This includes the actual device, so you're essentially only paying for the service).

So would you rather pay $350-$500 dollars upfront for a fancy device, or go stealth for $216/year? In my mind, stealth is the way to go.





Leatt DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Neck Brace

Leatt DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Nack Brace

Oliver with the Least DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Neck Brace
Oliver Hubler, 11 years old.
Oliver with the Least DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Neck Brace


Oliver with the Least DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Neck Brace
Adjustable and designed to fit younger riders.
Oliver with the Least DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Neck Brace



Features
• Weight: Approx. 497g (1.1lbs)
• CE tested and certified as Personal Protective Equipment 89/686/EEC
• Adjustable to fit most body shapes
• Rigid, non-flexible polyamide reinforced EPS platform
• $199.99 USD
leatt.com





bigquotesAt some point in the past six months, my 12-year-old son started hitting jumps and drops beyond what I am comfortable riding. It's been a big change going from towing him into things to now having him tow ME in! As a mom, it seems fairly normal that I want to protect my mini tornado from injury and give him all the protective equipment to minimize the chance of anything catastrophic happening. We all know mountain biking has risks, but so does driving down the freeway in a car. Chatting with other moms whose kids are also hitting jumps that make us cringe, it seemed that a neck brace as an option had been completely overlooked by us (except perhaps those moms in the downhill racing circles or for whose groms are growing up on the slopes of a bike park).

We passed the neck brace around to two kids to tell us how it felt to ride with...

Overall, my son indicated he pretty much forgot the brace was there when he was out riding and that it felt very light and he didn't notice any chaffing. Our friends 11 year old son Oliver stated, "it feels great. I don't notice it unless I'm wearing a hydration pack. It works great with a hip pack. I think its a very well designed piece of protective gear. Its important so that I don't break my neck if I crash!"

If you have a lil shredder, this might just be the Holiday season to invest in a neck brace and the Leatt DBX 3.5 Junior Fuel Neck brace seems to be a great tested and proven option designed to fit on a small body. There is nothing more important than keeping our cargo safe.



Fox Racing Shocks Service Special

Upgraded and serviced Fox suspension
Upgraded and serviced Fox suspension


Features
• Fork Servce: $175 USD before discount
• Shock Service: $160 USD before discount
• Seatpost Service: $90 USD before discount
• The 36/Grip2 Special: $305 USD before discount
ridefox.com
• Fork and shock bundle saves you $50 USD
• Fork, shock, and seat post bundle saves you $85 USD
• Fork Service and Grip2 Damper Upgrade saves you $120 USD

bigquotesAs one industry insider put it to me, you wouldn’t drive your car without ever changing the oil. So why do people fail to regularly service their suspension? Fox is offering an end of season service special (just in time for the holidays, too): 15% off for parts and labor for a 2 item bundle (in my case a factory 36 fork with Fit4 Damper and a DPX2 rear shock), and 20% off parts and labor for a 3 item bundle (add in a seatpost?). Or go whole hog with your fork with a service and a Grip2 damper upgrade for 25% off parts and labor for the fork service and upgrade.

Why upgrade from Fit4? The Grip2 Upgrade is perfect for aggressive riders by allowing one to customize high and low speed compression and high and low speed rebound damping without having to get your fork PUSHed or custom tuned. This is a great upgrade for strong female riders, because the Grip2 damper offers more ability to fine tune the shock as compared to the Fit4's factory style settings. That's not to say the Fit4 isn't a good damper—it is! But the Fit4, while a bit lighter weight and offering a lockout for extended climbs, just doesn't offer the same tunability for when the fun starts, particularly those riders who weigh in at 130 lbs or less (59kg or less). I went for the upgrade because I never bothered to use the Fit4 lockout and given my lighter weight (130-ish lbs) and riding style, the Grip2 Damper offers me better performance.

Bottom line? Make your suspension new all over again—$320 for my fork and shock with some new parts—and maybe throw in that Grip2 upgrade ($229 for my Fit4 equipped 36). Note: retail prices quoted above are for typical service and the parts associated with that. Unusually worn parts may raise the cost; my DPX2 shock needed a new damper shaft and shock sleeve, which added $51 to my service. But it was so worth it after beating the tar out of my suspension for over a year.



100 Comments

  • 104 0
 Ahhhh, there's nothing like being 11 years old and having an SC with Enve wheels!
  • 27 0
 You were lucky to have a bike with gears or something that resembled a suspension fork when I was 11
  • 3 0
 my 11 year old is riding a 2003 Nicolai Nonius =(
  • 30 2
 That 11-year old also somehow speaks marketing lingo like a professional: "I don't notice it unless I'm wearing a hydration pack. It works great with a hip pack. I think its a very well designed piece of protective gear".
  • 41 0
 Young, adolescent dentists are seldom seen in the wild...
  • 1 0
 @saladdodger: I was riding a debadged supercycle with upgraded tires, your kid is lucky!
  • 2 0
 I remember my mom shuttling us at Post Canyon at his age! So many good memories there on a hard tail!
  • 1 0
 @ADGproductions: ...another lucky one!
  • 8 0
 At age 11 I was riding a 1990 Specialized Rockhopper Sport. Chromoly frame, no suspension, 21spd shimano drivetrain, cantilever brakes, and Ground Control tires. Thanks Mom for the Christmas gift! I loved that bike.
  • 17 0
 Cheaper than a pony. Cheaper than a year of rehab later in life. Everything is relative. Used bikes are pretty affordable these days and if it gets a kid outside and away from the video games and social media culture, more power to them.
  • 13 0
 I was a perfect parent until I had kids too.
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: it's funny, I'm friends with him and he was telling me that he is somewhat sponsored by leatt. Looked on this today and I was surprised.
  • 5 0
 @zyoungson: they had suspension forks when u were 11? username checks out, then Smile
  • 2 0
 @savagelake: yeah, they were around, but a suspension fork was a super high end item found only on the fancy bikes. It was not spec’d on the Trek 830 I started out on.
  • 2 0
 it's only been a few years but every 11 years old in Scotland when I was that age rode a Cube AIM
  • 2 0
 @nkrohan: Hmmmm, cheaper than a pony? Quick googles shows up Betty Boop, The Best Pony for a mere $2,800. You can't even shod that pony in Enve shoes for that much.

Granted, the SC doesn't shit all over your garage or kick you through a wall if you've mistreated it.
  • 3 0
 @VTTyeahyouknowme: How much do you pay per month to stable, feed, and provide medical care for your bike?
  • 1 1
 @DrPete: Doesn't matter. Keeping my baby warm, fed and happy is worth any price.
  • 1 0
 @ReformedRoadie: good one!
  • 46 0
 I have always dreamt about use an app to record a video of my workout to social media with my heart rate information superimposed on my video.......or maybe not
  • 4 0
 Don't give your bosses any ideas. They might start making you wear one! ????
  • 37 3
 That Whoop strap is just a joke. It’s the most thinly veiled rinsing of the consumer through the subscription method that I’ve seen to date; it’s become the norm in software, and has some possible applications in consumer goods, but not at these kinds of prices. 218 dollars for the first year, rising to nearly 300 after the introductory offer? You can buy a good quality optical hrm armband for 75. And no, you can’t make the comparison to smart watches; hrm is only a marginal function in the wide array of things they do.

Heart rate variability is a great metric, but it’s visible through the right software, not limited by the hardware. Any device which can provide a robust signal and connect with a phone can provide it. There are free apps that will show you this and provide some analysis of the data. Free.

Go away and rethink your consumer gouging. If you can, you might have a decent product.
  • 5 2
 It may have started with "Strava or it didn't happen" but it has escalated to this. Sure, it's consumer gouging to you and me but there's no doubt a market for these ridiculous gadgets. People simply need content for their social media feeds to stay relevant! It's all about the likes these days. A day not posted is a day not lived.
  • 15 0
 Great business model. They get to charge third parties for access to your data and advertising, and you also pay for the privilege.
  • 4 0
 I bought a Garmin watch with GPS for $100 a few years ago (are they cheaper now?). You can sync it to Strava (if that's the only reason you bring along your phone) and it gives you heaps of data through the Connect app including sleep analysis. Obviously, no monthly charge, I don't really even wear it for anything but rides though. I would rather sleep another 20 minutes, than analyze my daily data.
  • 2 3
 @dominic54 @mi-bike: I find the data useful. I’m a busy person and while I likely can find some other means of analyzing my heart rate, etc., I’ve been happy with the Whoop app. I don’t want a smart watch. I don’t share my data with anyone. This isn’t about social media usage it’s about finding Useful information to improve my health and fitness.
  • 2 0
 1. Wrist based optical heart rate monitors give out some of the worst data for accurately tracking your heart rate. Give some of the reviews at dcrainmaker.com a look to see. 2. As some of the other people have noted, you can get a decent optical strap for pretty cheap these days or even a chest strap. This data can be analysed for free through the likes of Strava, Garmin or the Elevate add on for your web browser. 3. It looks retro AF. I've seen nicer medical devices.
  • 1 0
 AND it doesn't tell time so is it really a watch???
  • 1 0
 @Rigidjunkie: it pairs with you phone so you can conveniently track time in the app!!!
  • 4 0
 My Garmin does this all for no monthly charge and I get garmin a amazing customer service.

My wife’s Fitbit does even more tracking and they can be had for under $100. Although, they do not last like a garmin will.
  • 2 0
 @Rigidjunkie: Maybe they can include an inscription reading something like "check your phone for the time" to cover that secondary function of a watch...
  • 1 0
 My old Polar S810 also measured heart rate variability and could calculate recovery based on that. It required an orthostatic test but I think that's fine.The Suunto Ambit 3 (I only have the Ambit 2 so haven't tested it) does seem to do a similar test to what's being described in the article. Obviously watches aren't cheap either but personally I prefer to pay up front for the tool instead of having to pay for a subscription.

As for optical measurements, they may give you a nice indication if you want to get an holistic view on your day and activities but they are far from accurate. I can imagine it could also be because my skin is dark, it may not work that well. I wanted to track my rides to and from work to get a better view of my activity load throughout the week and not just log my actual trainings. I didn't feel like wearing a chest strap for those commutes so initially I used a Mio Link which does nothing other than measure my heart rate (optical) and send it to my watch over ANT+ and bluetooth. I later used a Garmin Vivofit 2 for this. The Garmin has a display so as an experiment I just let the Garmin show its measurements and let the watch receive the HR from the chest strap. It was way off, especially at higher intensities. It just doesn't pick up the higher heart rates. So fine for commutes and hikes but useless for more intense training. But with it being so inaccurate, I wouldn't add much value to the heart rate variability measurements. But yeah, it being optical it may work better with lighter (and maybe also thinner) skin. And of course if you're wearing elbow pads with extended lower arm protection, it may may interfere. Just like if you're wearing wrist protection. Not sure how many people do that in bicycle riding these days though. I wear wrist protection for mountain unicycling and I've seen a few wear it for hucking stuff on bikes, twenty years ago.
  • 28 1
 If suspension service cost as much as changing the oil on my car I would do it twice a year.
  • 3 0
 Hear! Hear!
  • 10 1
 It's expensive but the labor involved in rebuilding a damper with new seals is a bit high. I don't think $175 is out of range for that task, but what is ridiculous is most shops charging $70+ for changing the bath oil and wiper seals.

The good news is that doing the more basic services, the ones that you get the most feel improvement from, is fairly easy and quick once you get a feel for it. You can replace the bath oil and soak the foam rings in less than 20min on most forks with minimal cost, replacing air spring seals isn't much work after that, but probably doesn't need to be done as regularly. The wiper seals are a pretty easy replacement, also, when needed. These things will provide more reduction in friction and improvement in feel than the most labor intensive task of rebuilding and bleeding the damper, although with some forks (DVO), that process isn't terribly involved either.

I end up changing my bath oil out about once every 2 months and when major temp swings occur (I use different oils for temps above and below freezing). I find after about 3 months of riding, the oil is typically contaminated. Most new forks also typically don't ship out with the proper oil quantity.

That said, fork manufacturers could make it easier for people to work on stuff by getting rid of some unnecessary steps, like replacing crush washers with actual seals at the bottom of the rods (e.g. Manitou, MRP, DVO all did this) and eliminating one off tools "needed" (e.g. the tools "required' to knock out the rods on Fox forks).
  • 3 0
 @shinook: Absolutely, a monkey could do your cars oil change and it would still take 10 minutes. However, I would rather stick with crush washers as they won't degrade and fail overtime and are basically a guaranteed seal even if you overtighten a bit. It is a bit wasteful throwing them away everytime though..
  • 1 0
 @shinook: aren't the tools needed a socket and dead blow hammer to knock out the rods? My set of Fox forks but that is what it looks like. Haven't done my 1st service yet but its close to time.
  • 2 0
 @MattyBoyR6: yes, you can get them out with a socket and mallet. It will eventually ruin the soft aluminum bolt. The proper tools protect the rods and require less force to break the press fit loose.
  • 1 0
 @MattyBoyR6: I say to just buy the tools, barrel your way through figuring out how to conduct maintenance, and save money/keep your fork in good working order for it's lifetime
  • 3 0
 @MattyBoyR6: That's why I put "needed" and "required" in quotes, you can use a socket and rubber mallet to drive the rods out of the legs, but you risk damage to the rods in the process. I've done it several times without an issue, but having the proper tools is safer.

Other forks (Helm, Manitou, DVO, RS, etc) are easier and don't require these tools, some you tap with the hammer directly or others you can press out by hand.
  • 2 0
 @Mntneer: I've done plenty of Marzocchi, RS and moto forks over the years. This will be my first Fox. Doesn't look any worse than the others really.
  • 10 1
 The left photo of the fox shock being on the fork stanchion make me uncomfortable
  • 11 1
 So do the prices
  • 6 0
 @Mac1987: the real reason people don't services suspension.
  • 4 0
 I cannot fathom how anyone could recommend in good conscience a smart watch that doesn't tell time for hundreds of dollars PER YEAR without it being a sponsored ad, nobody in their right mind should buy this.
  • 4 2
 We are not paid by any company to promote any product. If you actually read my feedback, you can see I have no interest in a smart watch or having anything on my wrist that tells me time/texts, etc... I find the data useful, especially the "recovery" analysis but I am glad this article gives people a sounding board to disagree.
  • 5 3
 @nkrohan:

"So would you rather pay $350-$500 dollars upfront for a fancy device, or go stealth for $216/year? In my mind, stealth is the way to go"

Your words, not mine. Surely they've paid you to say that you'd buy this over a typical smart watch style device? I cannot understand why else you'd be compelled to say it. Why not just buy a smart watch and stick duct tape over the screen....?
  • 7 0
 The neck brace is neat.
  • 6 0
 Its worth noting that the fox special is only avalible in the US and Can
  • 28 0
 what other countries are there?
  • 16 0
 @howsyourdad: Zamunda.
  • 9 0
 @nozes: King Jaffe Joffer, The Royal Palace,
  • 1 0
 I thought they were gonna post videos on how to do basic services!!!
  • 5 0
 German pricing: (Fox 36, DPX2)

Fork service: 144 EUR (= $160)
Shock service: 162 EUR (= $180)
Fork service incl. GRIP2 Update: 499 EUR (= $552)

That sucks.
  • 3 0
 @howsyourdad: I wonder what they pay the servants to clear the royal penis? Maybe they should get into fork servicing at $175 a pop
  • 2 0
 @jazzawil: Your, I think typo of 'clear' instead of 'clean' had me visioning a lady with a long cotton swab clearing a blockage from the urethra. Kind of like the old STD testing method.
  • 2 0
 I usually use Push, but because the shock on my Pivot was stock, I sent it to Fox for a rebuild.
They must've used vice grips on the schrader valve, cuz the thing was flattened and gouged like a mofo.
And it's not just that they totally gnarfed the thing. It's that they fricken sent it back to me that way.
My obvious conclusion was, what the heck kind of job did they do on the rebuild then?
  • 3 2
 I work at a shop that offers full suspension services like the one described in this article and I can tell you Fox’s service prices are GREAT! Rebuilding shock and fork dampers is a NIGHTMARE of tiny clock-like o-rings, springs, and shafts. The service procedures often have 50+ tedious steps, that if not executed absolutely perfectly can result in having to totally start over.
  • 3 0
 This is pretty dramatic. Rebuilding dampers is not a nightmare.

When I do use a shop for suspension service (which I try not to do after de-mistifying this "nightmare") I'm happy to support shops that do their work for $80/hr + fluids and parts
  • 2 0
 Than maybe Fox should keep ease of servicing in mind when designing their products. I can completely strip my Mattoc, relube and refresh the oil (damper and bath) and rebuild within 1 hour. And I'm not even an experienced mechanic and have to check steps with YouTube instruction videos. A full service therefore only costs €110 when done by a small shop that know what they are doing. A full service for a Fox 36 FIT4 costs €150+. Fox parts are also relatively expensive (they charge €50 over here for the damper removal tool and another €50 for the airspring removal tool for my Float 34...). It's not the shops' fault, it's Fox's.
  • 2 0
 Too bad fux can’t even do it right half the time. I will NOT be sending my suspension to fux factory or a shop rat that gets paid $15 an hour to fvck things up. Fortunately there are great alternatives.
  • 1 0
 @Eatsdirt: please elaborate
  • 2 0
 @mkotowski1: Elaborate on alternatives?? I send my stuff to a small local suspension guru who does bike/moto suspension (Advanced Dynamics) and he's worked wonders fixing the 'service' Fux did at a competitive price. There was no comparison in quality of ride and service life, so to me it was worth well over the price I paid. There a few other suspension guys like Fluid Focus, Diaz, Dirt Labs, Vorsprung etc in the US that I'd imagine do a great job.
  • 1 0
 Well Vorsprung not in US, but possibly worth shipping to...
  • 4 2
 That kid is only a fraction of my age and have way more style than I have ever had riding a bike.

Where did my life go so wrong?!
  • 12 0
 Should've asked your mom for Enves.
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: That's it! I didn't have those snappy wheels!
  • 2 0
 Quick question re: Leatt brace, is there a from and to age range, probably know the "to" answer, more interested in the suitability for a 9 year old
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 I have a 9 and 11 year old. They both wear the Leatt neck brace with fusion body armour. The brace I got is adjustable and intergrates really well with the armor so it fits both boys different body shaped. Both the armour and neck brace have paid for themselves and have stopped the boys from getting worse injuries from their numerous crashes.
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 Its chest width (just under the arms) that they use rather than age. Their site says smallest is 29.5 inches (!). I'm sure Atlas have smaller ones than this though.
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 Thanks for the insight guys!
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 Gonna get myself a Whoop (Whoop) strap and see how high my heart rate gets when I'm getting a Faygo shower...
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 No juggalos allowed
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 @whitebirdfeathers: you need jesus sir...may I point you in the right direction...

www.jesussavesjuggalos.com
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 There was a NBC News story on the WHOOP that 2 people compared using the device.1 triathlete and other regular joe, somehow they had the same vital results during the course using WHOOP.
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 How many of the used forks on pinkbike that say they have been just serviced have actually just been serviced?

This should be a pinkbike pole.
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 That woop thing is silly, garmin makes a better watch that you can buy not doing that ridiculous monthly fee BS. Or also tracks quality of sleep and all that other jazz
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 I still haven't understood the term "clipless shoes", I either run clips (so that my shoe clips to the pedal) or i ride with less clips, meaning flatpedals lol
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 It's a terminology artefact from when road racers wore toe clips and straps, which had to be done up by hand while you were on the bike. When the first 'automatic' pedals came out they were considered 'clip-less', as they locked your foot in without needing toe clips and straps, and you could get out of them without having to reach down and loosen them.
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 @cmrn: Started mountain biking in the mid to late ‘80s, and rode with toe clips off-road...even without cinching them tight it was tough getting in and frequently terrifying to get out.
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 @cmrn: I may be too young to know this but thanks for the lesson!
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 @ReformedRoadie:

You cant forget the first time that the panic sets in as you frantically try and get your foot out of your toe clip, in what seems like super slow mo, as the bike is gently falling sideways..!!
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 @w0dge: I remember trying to ride my Dad's monstrous (at the time, for me) road bike and everytime coming to a stop and falling (from the sky!) onto my side.. I never got very good at getting out of the clips, but I did get smart enough to know to get onto the grass when I came to a stop Big Grin
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 better get that pedal flipped over and foot in the toe clip before heading down that steep chute.
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 @MattyBoyR6: If it's really steep, you're better off on the flip side, as those canti levers aren't going to do shit to slow you down.
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 Kuddos to Rim Tours for using a real map!
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 Oliver Huber has 100% steez.
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 What a load of crap.
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 you would be a sucker to buy a fit4 over grip 2 lol
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 Lease a watch? That's absolutely ridiculous.
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 wow everything sucks
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 Oh man, dude... It's ok, there's counselors in abundance these days, you can be helped.
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 Potty function for essential toilet breaks. Who's working on the nonessential variant? So glad my sleep analyzer is waterproof.
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 @ceecee: You wouldn't understand. As a female, having a bib that you can pee in without shedding all the top layers is really freaking nice. Taking the time to voice your negative opinion is about as productive as the waterproof function on the Whoop strap.
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 As a permanently pre-op transsexual engineer, permit me to reredirect to the nonessential...trailside sunbathing...top layer not desired.
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 @ceecee: you got me. Its hard to show a bib without stripping down to the bib. It was cold. I'm fairly modest. I pretended like I was in Mexico poolside with a margarita.
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 @gnarnaimo: LOL, thanks for that!
I recon mud tires work better than councilors for seasonal affective disorder!
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 @getsomesy: Agreed! I do enjoy the little bit of sliding DHFs allow in the mud though..not fast...but fun!!!!
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 @nkrohan: arhhhh I get it , crutch less bibs !

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