Chris King Launches Range of Recyclable Carbon Wheels

Apr 25, 2022
by Ed Spratt  
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Chris King has launched a new range of wheels that use a new FusionFiber technology. Unlike some carbon wheels that rely on epoxies, these rims use a nylon fiber bonding process. Available in both 27.5 or 29" sizes, the MTN30 is a new mountain bike wheel from Chris King that is made in the US, claimed to be 100% recyclable and comes with a lifetime warranty.

Chris King says FusionFiber provides a more compliant wheel and is far less toxic to manufacture and easy to recycle. It is also claimed that in the manufacturing of its new rims there is zero waste, carbon dust or emissions. It is also interesting that only one-third of electricity is used per part when compared to traditional composite parts.

The MTN30 rims feature a 29mm internal width with an individual rim weight of 491 grams. For a complete 29" wheelset you can expect a weight of around 1746 grams, going for a 27.5" setup drops the weight to 1665 grams and the mixed wheel options sits almost in the middle at 1706.

bigquotesIt’s good to make stuff you want to ride, and wheelsets are the most exciting thing we’ve worked on in a long time. It’s good that we found a US-based, rim partner who understands our vision for products that perform well and last forever with minimal impact on the planet. It’s also good they cost less than most of the other high-end wheels on the market.

It's better we tested multiple layup options to get the exact ride-feel we wanted. It’s better that we were able to find a sweet spot in the high-end wheel game that adds some comfort back into the mix, without sacrificing handling or durability. And it's really better that, based on all the good stuff above, we can warranty them for life so you can focus on riding.

These wheels will last forever, and in the event they do break, we have a recycling path for them that will keep them out of the landfill. You should take for granted that a Chris King wheel is going to ride great and look great, but that it also dramatically reduces the environmental impact that most carbon fiber wheels have is even better than that. It’s maybe even the best.
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The MTN30 range is available in three sizes with a 29", 27.5" and a mixed wheel option. All three start at $2550 and there is a choice for ceramic bearings for an additional $100. Currently, Chris King has a lead time of 60 days on the new wheels and you can find out more here.

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  • 305 20
 As always, remember the first step is listed as Reduce before reuse and recycle. If you just buy these because they are environmentally friendly, but are throwing away useful wheels, you missed the whole point.
  • 146 18
 Sell your old ones on pinkbike?
You really think people just chuck whole wheel sets in the dump for no reason? C’mon
  • 52 1
 @scary1: More like hold onto them to build up another bike.
  • 2 1
 first person to do the fully woven3d braided rim is the winner
  • 11 1
 Nobody is going to throw away a set of perfectly good wheels
  • 5 0
 @scary1: I think it's more due to the fact that after a rim breaks there isn't any less waste when it gets discarded. A broken carbon hoop is nothing more than a big black ring of epoxy and fiber.
  • 69 5
 Many commenters on this thread don't get it (maybe they are highschoolers) @adrennan doesn't mean to literally throw them away. If you don't buy new wheels, you continue to use your old ones. One fewer set of wheels being created. If you buy new wheels, it doesn't matter if you sell your old ones, there are now two sets of wheels in existence, where there need only be one. Same thinking goes for electric cars, "keep driving the car you have" can have less of an impact on the environment than paying for the creation of a new vehicle (takes years to offset all of the carbon the new electric car will take to produce) and yes, even with the carbon emitted from your current vehicle running for those years, the used vehicle still comes out ahead on carbon emissions for years.
  • 2 0
 I once heard of somebody finding a crossmax wheel set in the free box in Aspen downtown just leave your wheels there if you don’t need them sukkas!
  • 4 0
 @DGWW: well said
  • 4 10
flag warmerdamj (Apr 25, 2022 at 19:02) (Below Threshold)
 @DGWW: Is anything really only being created because somebody bought it though? Wheelsets, cars, shoes or anything is rarely created solely at the rate it's purchased. All these things are more then likely produced at a fixed rate each year, ie 2,000 wheelsets or 500 Teslas regardless and who ever buys them gets them.

I doubt the 60 day lead time is for made to order, but likely just a production delay until they catch up with the initial $2,500 USD (really?) orders.
  • 5 12
flag TheOriginalTwoTone (Apr 25, 2022 at 19:52) (Below Threshold)
 @DGWW: Maybe you're the highschooler? So if you don't buy a new set of wheels and sell your old wheels how does the person that would have purchased them magically get wheels and maintain the one set of wheels created?
  • 5 1
 @Tigergoosebumps: It was in the free box because it proprietary spokes
  • 20 0
 @warmerdamj: Not directly, but production figures aren't random, they're projected from past data. If we buy less, then projections will decrease and less will be made.
  • 4 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: In an ideal case, that person also keeps their wheels, and repairs and maintains them to keep them going longer. If you buy new wheels and sell your old ones, the person at the end of the line throws away a pair of wheels.
Feel free to replace wheels with any item, car, microwave, laptop, desk...
  • 4 0
 @sancho-ramerez: This is the ultimate fail. By using proprietary parts they've made perfectly good* wheels effectively not worth the effort to keep running. Guaranteed landfill.

*perfectly good is of course a matter of opinion.
  • 2 1
 @Jacob-Rausch:

youtu.be/MTkKJAaGeyg

Dunno, seems to be a lot on the internets about this sort of activity
  • 2 0
 @Explodo: N+1 forever
  • 3 0
 @DGWW: totally agree, same issue with leasing cars that are replaced every 2 years or so for a new one. More manufacturing involved and more pollution related to it.
  • 7 1
 No. The first step is Refuse.
  • 2 0
 @DGWW:

You're actually mistaken about an new car being worse. Often times even just a more fuel efficient car is better after a surprisingly short amount of time.

youtu.be/L2IKCdnzl5k
  • 4 3
 @DGWW: never need to buy a new eCar, yep, just $30,000 for new batteries, that can’t be recycled. Yep, that is called wisdom. Something you ca’t find read what Google tells you to read.
  • 1 0
 @Jacob-Rausch: you've not owned a 28 spoke Roval
  • 2 5
 @Stinky-Dee:

Batteries are easily recycled.
  • 1 0
 boop
  • 1 2
 They should have been called the Chris King, Chris Rock's because they can take a slap.
  • 1 0
 @z-man: I was wrong, they can be recycled. But I’m not sure it is done all that well. Just a little bit of search I found: www.nationalobserver.com/2021/01/21/opinion/electric-cars-have-dirty-little-recycling-problem-their-batteries

I am sure there are folks working on it. But eCars are not the holy grail of saving the planet. But ePlanes, yes that will save the planet.

Better than saving the planet, I prefer what Chris King does for my savings account. I have a pair of hubs that have been on 4 very different bikes. That is good, Chris King is in the making things last business and if some folks like it because they feel good about saving the planet then that is Ok with me.
  • 1 0
 @z-man: This comparison is for a tesla, and still it is 3+ years where your old car is producing less carbon. They aren't noting the environmental impacts of recycling the tesla vs the old car (old car will be easier to recycle as its ICE and doesn't have an enormous battery pack encased in plastic) so maybe its something like 4 years or more when we take that into account, which is still a long time imo.
  • 1 0
 @bromigo69: so should CK invent a time machine and go back and invent this in the 1800’s so there will never be traditional carbon fiber invented?
You argument is nonsensical
  • 77 1
 Does Chris King make rim tape to match the color of the hubs? If not I don't want any.
  • 7 0
 why show the rim tape anyway, i want to see the spoke bed.
  • 5 0
 @ea99018: Exactly. What are they hiding?!
  • 10 0
 I'm not gonna lie...I do kind of like the liquid candy rim tape.
  • 1 0
 @Explodo: I hope it’s liquid candy and not just bubbles under the tape!
  • 1 0
 @dustyduke22: Having seen these in the flesh the rim bed is incredibly clean, They look to be as well if not better finished than pretty much any other carbon rim i've seen, and i've seen a few.
  • 64 9
 You people want to save the planet and everything be cheap. Pick one. Seriously, get your priorities together and be happy when somebody steps up. The never ending discontent is tiresome and tedious.
  • 12 2
 I'm actually kinda shocked at how cheap they are, given the brand name, the cost of carbon components, and just the general inflation/supply chain issues globally.

By no means do I think these are worth the price tho.
  • 15 0
 I hope one day in my lifetime, it will be seen as cool and desirable to have the oldest bike parts instead of the newest. I'm as guilty as anyone else, changing parts for something to do. It's a disease.
  • 7 0
 @jaame: a friend and coworker of mine enjoys destroying most other road bikers on his ooold steel bike. He enjoys all the latest stuff to look at but just keeps riding a bike that's probably as old as he is.
  • 5 0
 @jaame: ......any one with a BMX background knows super tuff 2s were utterly awesome depending on how you broke them
  • 1 0
 @SleepingAwake: I've leapfrogged from a top spec nomad, to a used alloy Mega 290, through a couple of other bikes to a carbon 2021 Enduro. I am faster on the Enduro, but the Mega is a close second and it was a third of the price. I often feel like I should have got over the spec and the price and just kept that bike. Really really good bike it was.
  • 2 0
 @jaame: Stop caring about what is seen as cool or desirable. Feel good about skills you develop, about beautiful rides, epic adventures, big sends, etc. It is not about the bike.
  • 6 0
 @ak-77: Excuse me when I show up at the trailhead with the other dentists, lawyers, mid-level Domo execs, and sales guys, its 100% completely about the bike. I can't compete by owning a Tesla so I gotta ascend the dominance hierarchy with how flashy my bike is.
  • 2 0
 @jaame: there is already a subculture in almost every culture that adheres to this. It's not so visible in mountainbiking but it's pretty visible in road cycling where the equipment doesn't matter as much.
  • 1 0
 @ak-77: or just become a dentist
  • 49 3
 Recyclable into what exactly?
  • 92 1
 Hula hoop
  • 3 0
 I’m keen to know too.
  • 18 2
 I believe this is the same tech as Revel's given it has the same name, "FusionFiber." So the hoops will be recycled into new hoops thanks to the type of epoxy used.
  • 7 1
 With a lifetime warranty, I'm betting they think they have some time to figure that out...."we don't know yet, but we will."
  • 5 1
 Other parts that the manufacturer makes. They do Automobile and Defense contracting.
  • 18 8
 into Magura brakes that break more than they brake
  • 8 2
 @deaf-shredder: Ya, its that Utah based company, CSS.

While this cool and all, I wish someone could partner with CSS to make something like those Zipp single wall rims, or the Cranbros nearly-single wall rims. Rim shape and geometry could use some innovation more than building material, since 471s have been aluminum for a decade or more and still perform as well as the latest stuff.
  • 10 0
 @deaf-shredder: this is a thermoplastic matrix (probably PA, maybe PEEK) and not epoxy based. These thermoplastic composites will in my opinion get much more common with use in aerospace and automotive applications. The idea is usually to cut the products into pellets and then use them with virgin plastic in injection moulding. While this all works these channels are for now still pretty much inexistent as far as I know. And with products of this size the incentive to set things up is rather small. Also the benefit over aluminum which can actually be recicled (not downcycled) is questionable. You need to start somewhere tho and impact properties of TPCF can be really good.
  • 4 0
 @deaf-shredder: Just FYI, it's not Epoxy, that is a thermoset and by definition is not re-formable.
  • 4 1
 Ashtrays and gadgets. that's the official green speach for "recycled" carbon stuffs from Airbus aircraft industry here in Toulouse where I live.
  • 1 0
 @superkeen & @SleepingAwake: thanks for the correction - important distinction considering the epoxy is what prevented "standard" carbon hoops from being recycled, unless I'm mistaken.
  • 5 0
 @deaf-shredder: there are still ways to recycle epoxy carbon composites. It is however much more complicated, really energy intense and fiber properties degrade a lot. But with the quantities of carbon that goes into the aerospace industry we have to start recycling all of that stuff at some point
  • 2 0
 @bashhard: Good one!
  • 1 0
 @SleepingAwake: In terms of aerospace and other applications do you think we'll start seeing new materials being developed with recyclability at the forefront? Material engineering seems to be the hottest scientific/engineering frontier at the moment and I'm excited to see what will come from it!
  • 3 0
 @deaf-shredder: i do not have any insight into that industry really, but honestly I would be really surprised to see that push from aerospace, and i am not even sure it would make any sense. These type of structures are driven by performance aspects and fatigue strength per weight and specific stiffness are probably the "only" real design criterions. I think most of the efforts to reduce CO2 impact will come through process optimization and increase the "buy to fly" ratio, so basically reducing production waste. But that is most likely gonna be driven through economic incentives and not for the greater good of humanity
  • 2 0
 depends on the length of those carbon fibres. If the thermoplastic can be separated from the carbon (I think this process is similar to what Guerilla gravity are using) then you would be left with shorter carbon fibres , which could be used in this same process again , but for smaller parts (we see some composite parts made using 'chopped' fibre) The bigger question here would be "who is going to recycle these ?" or "how will a local recycler know that this is how these should be recycled" IMO this type of tech isn't useful until the manufacturer is required to take the old ones back and recycle them.
  • 3 2
 @SleepingAwake: Makes sense given their objectives are purely performance based and that they would only be interested in that if it reduced their overhead to increase profits.

@SleepingAwake & @DGWW: I almost added in my earlier comment about how I would love to see some legislation regarding cradle-to-grave responsibility for companies. Make it a requirement that they are responsible for how a product is dealt with at the end of its life. Which is why the FusionFiber tech and its implications seems exciting to me. When we incentivize reuse/recycling for producers, they are going to change their business model to a long term use. This should in theory also reduce/eliminate planned obsolescence as the producer will be responsible for their crappy product when it stops working. They'll be motivated to produce a product that is easy to repair or easy to recycle.
  • 3 0
 @DGWW: These rims are replaced for free when broken. The manufacturer pays for return shipping and recycles the broken wheel.
  • 2 1
 @plustiresaintdead: OK, and how do they "recycle" these broken wheels and what for Santa Claus?
  • 2 0
 The difference is with aerospace is that we are still flying in planes built in the 80s, and planes built today will last even longer. Something with an expected lifespan of 10 years has a much higher need for recycling. Something that will be used 40 years doesn't have those same needs.
  • 1 0
 @SleepingAwake: So if the plastic has been laid before it won’t work?
  • 2 1
 @deaf-shredder: I don't think they can make new rims from broken ones. They said they might make stems, or pedals. But the only product they came out with were the overpriced tire levers which I haven't actually ever seen for sale?? I've checked numerous times, they are never on their website.
My .02 is that this is more green washing...
  • 2 0
 @danstonQ: @stiingya , As stated before: "Other parts that the manufacturer makes. They do Automobile and Defense contracting"

Note that the manufacturer is not Chris King but CSS composites. They crush and remold the small pieces into car dashboards and other random things.
  • 7 0
 Also worth noting that unless they're made in to something of equal or better use that in itself can be recycled, then it's not recycling, it's downcycling.

Recycling can keep going indefinitely (like glass).

Downcycling just takes a few more forms before it ends up in landfill. Making clothing out of plastic bottles that then can't be recycled, that's downcycling.

Downcountry is similar to downcycling, soon it won't be used (hopefully).
  • 4 1
 @deaf-shredder: while i agree that there should be legislation, i think there are very promising developments in the energy sector, in material science and others, where companies found a solid business case for novel high performance solutions, that also just so happen to be much more eco responsible. There is also a real desire from investment groups to invest in cleaner future technologies, which helps getting many cool start ups off of the ground.
  • 2 0
 @endorium: Bent hula hoop
  • 3 0
 @SleepingAwake: You're not going to fit in very well around here with your actual experience and factual info. If you want to make friends in this venue, please try to pull random opinions out of your a$$ instead.
  • 1 0
 @deaf-shredder: in a word no ….. automotive however is massively pushing
  • 1 0
 @plustiresaintdead: I don't see that in the article? Granted, I've not spent my time to go find such products being made. But if a company is going to say they are making a recycled product it's on them to show me what that recycled product is? Or down cycled probably in this case?

Without evidence to the contrary it still looks like greenwashing to me??
  • 31 0
 XM 481 or EX511 --> metal, cheap, recycle, good, go.
  • 7 0
 Love EX471 as well....lasting for years
  • 2 10
flag thenotoriousmic (Apr 26, 2022 at 4:24) (Below Threshold)
 Exactly. Nobody’s made a carbon rim that comes anywhere near capabilities of a £70 ex511 making them utterly pointless. Carbon wheels didn’t work and nobody’s taken them seriously since at least 2018 when the pro’s moved back to alloy. They’re basically just jewellery for middle aged American dudes on gleaming yeti’s that don’t have any scratches.
  • 28 3
 manufacturing is "zero emissions", yeah my ass. Just because you are not setting something on fire to produce them, you are still emitting. Where is the electricity from? No emissions there?
  • 30 7
 61% of electricity generated in Utah is done burning coal. Unless the fusion fiber factory has a massive solar array, I imagine they’re still getting the majority of their juice from fossil sources.

Tbf, that 61% is down somewhat from 75% in 2016. But still way too high.

Utah is a beautiful state, but they elect some seriously terrible people.
  • 29 17
 @shapethings: That's what happens when you give a "religion" a state.
  • 7 0
 @shapethings: and the number could be lower still if California stopped importing electricity from its neighbors
  • 3 1
 Maybe they have an offsetting scheme for energy?

It’s not something I particularly agree is helpful but lots of companies offset their own use now.
  • 6 21
flag bertimusmaximus (Apr 25, 2022 at 12:02) (Below Threshold)
 @shapethings: If burning coal was bad god wouldn't have created coal or fire.
  • 10 0
 @justanotherusername: It would still be a false statement. If you say you emit nothing, you can't just emit something and say I planted a seed somewhere for a tree that might offset it in 20 years. The emission doesn't care about the greenwashing you do
  • 3 0
 @bashhard: yea I agree with you, you are getting a bit excited - like I said I don’t believe it is actually helpful but is something many companies are doing.
  • 4 0
 @bertimusmaximus: Needs sarcasm connotation
  • 7 0
 Budweiser is brewed using 100% wind power and they totally might have a BMX background, so give them another look you craftbrewed snobs.
  • 19 1
 Alternatively, you just buy metal wheels that are also able to be recycled.
  • 25 9
 Chris King, because you have to be royalty to afford them.
  • 10 0
 I'm assuming this is a transferrable warranty if the aim is ensure these come back to the manufacturer for recycling?

Can't help feeling a move to mandatory transferrable warranties might make manufacturers reassess their acceptable failure rates a bit.
  • 7 0
 IDK... really such small volume items need not be "environmentally friendly". How many of these wheel sets are they really going to sell? The cost far outweighs the impact. The energy that goes into accumulating the $2500 itself is "wasteful"... not to mention the undisclosed method of "recycling".

Reality is... everything on this Earth is a zero sum game. There are finite resources, and every method of converting those resources for our needs is impactful in some way or another. We are influenced to feel good about switching from one method to another... in this case "pay more for these wheels, they are environmentally friendly". We feel good about ourselves and boast to or shame others until the evil of the new method is revealed. Then we will be sold on the next product.
  • 5 0
 Looks decent relative to other FusionFiber offerings (Revel RW30, Evil Loopholes). I am curious to also see the long-term UV stability of the "long-chain polymers" used to bind the fibers but I like the overall model of not requiring refrigeration, local production, and down-cyclability.
  • 4 0
 I'd bet they probably come out of the same factory, honestly. CSS Composites has their own website now, and a new manufacturing facility in Richfield, UT. I'm kinda surprised they don't just sell their own wheelsets, but my guess is that in order to add value to the product they partner with brands who can add a bit of prestige to an otherwise unheard of company. At $700msrp for each rim, CSS must be trying to pay back its debts asap. They could probably do it quicker if they had competitive pricing.
  • 2 0
 CSS makes Revel's wheels.
  • 11 3
 “ReCyCLabLe”
“ZeRo WaStE”
“....FaR LeSs ToXiC”
“MiNiMaL iMpAcT”
  • 7 0
 I'd like to know more about how exactly they acchieved recyclability.
  • 7 0
 But alloy is already one of the best and easiest things to recycle.
  • 12 0
 Yeah but these are more expensive, less durable, and contribute to the micro plastic problem. Alloy can't compete
  • 6 0
 Heavier rim weight and Hub weight then Revel (Using Hydra Hubs) but overall weight of a set is less?
  • 2 0
 the spokes are the new -spoke spokes. they are filled with helium and make the wheel lighter
  • 2 0
 "Recyclable" only counts if there is infrastructure to do so.

Where does one recycle this? Does Chris King have a return system in place where they take care of it? Because if not, where am I supposed to go? Does the technology actually exist yet to turn it back into usable material? Without that, it's greenwashing.
  • 4 0
 Santa cruz website says all 3 wheelsets, ONLY available with centerlock hubs, which i hate, where are the 6 bolt hubs!
  • 5 0
 They don’t make 6 bolt hubs anymore
  • 2 1
 @somebody-else: Chris King 6 bolts still available in uk hub only. Why would anyone go centre lock exclusively?
  • 3 0
 You're missing out. CL takes 5 seconds to install/remove rotors. Not that I have anything against 6 bolt. Just saying, there's no 'downside' to CL.
  • 1 3
 @foggnm: except they absolutely suck are you’re limited to running shimano’s crappy rotors or 6 bolt adapters. Speaking as someone who’s running centre lock with shimano rotors and not only are they crap but they move on the splines making horrible noises when braking over roots before eventually coming lose and unlike 6 bolt I don’t have a 12 inch bottom bracket tool attachment on my multi tool so that’s ride over. Sorry centre lock didn’t work it’s time for them to go.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Sram and Magura and TRP make centerlock rotors. And Shimano's rotors are quite excellent. Or do you also dislike every other brake company as well?
  • 1 0
 @foggnm: So they do. Thanks for the heads up, I didn’t know you could get 200mm centrelines CL. I can get rid if these cheap XT rotors now.
  • 3 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Aside from wear or contamination you're much more likely to have lost performance due to your pads or bleed, not your rotor choice.
  • 1 0
 Looks like they have a thin beak 'hook' molded or machined into them. That's just asking to get cracked like the Bontrager rims. So fragle. No need for a bead hook on low pressure MTB rims CC: Specialized. ... And heavy weights too--clearly trying to limit warranty claims like most carbon wheel mfgrs lately. Good to see they're using the Fusion Fiber though.
  • 4 0
 looks like the you pay for the privilege of them being recyclable...i can get many pairs of DT Swiss wheels for that.
  • 5 0
 I cannot wait to recycle my new 2500 dollar wheels when they arrive!
  • 3 0
 I just wish they would crank out a few more 142mm replacement axles/assemblies for the 135mm qr hub I have laying around collecting dust.
  • 4 0
 This...All Day. I am in that boat too. Saved and bought King hubs to buy into the "last forever" camp. Recently had to spend ~$250 to get a full replacement axle and driver. Only needed axle - wouldn't sell just that part - had to buy a freehub too for a set of ISO hubs on my commuter. Had this happen with my R45 disc hubs I bought. Wanted to swap my drivetrain and even though I bought the hubs ~6 months prior they aren't XD compatible - WTF?

No six bolt, not supporting past products and poor customer support - all reasons why the four pairs of King hubs I own will be my last. My original set that has probably over 10K miles still work great, but the negatives are outweighing the positives with the "new" direction King is going.
  • 3 1
 @onlyontwo06: Couldn't agree more I don't know what CK finances are looking like but from my point of view they are shitting the bed with this "new" direction. I held CK very highly for the quality, serviceability, availability of spares. Now they're cutting more staple products and going in a narrow direction, what a shame.
  • 2 0
 Great they are recyclable. The amout of carbon rims you will snap, been able to recycle them will certainly lower your carbon footprint. Or just buy metal ones. Cheaper, stronger, better.
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: @TheOriginalTwoTone : it's all about supply and demand. The used product is a part of the available supply, there is no way to divorce the used stock from the total supply pool. It's the same with used vehicles. The relationship between new and used supply cant be made more clear than what is happening with used vehicle prices right now.

So in this particular example, we've got someone (we'll call him Chris) with a perfectly good set of wheels who is tantalized by a new pair of Chris King plasti-hoops: If Chris were to keep his old wheels and not buy the new ones, there would be less demand for the new wheels, which would change the demand planning that the company would do, and it would affect the number of wheelsets they would create in the next order. Doesn't sound like much of a difference with just Chris, but it's not just Chris, there are many other people like chris noodling on this decision.

With regards to the demand created by the person looking to buy chris' old wheels he can move on to another seller and maybe he lands on someone who already has two sets of wheels (two used wheelsets , no new wheels being created by his demand)
  • 1 0
 @warmerdamj: to answer this, YES. made to order isn't the only way demand can influence supply. This is similar to how we are told to 'vote with our dollars' the purchasing decisions we make do have an effect on demand planning and creation of new product. Individuals aren't responsible for the whole ordering process, but our actions collectively contribute to the whole process, directly. Basically, "they" notice when you buy or dont buy shit, and market / order / mark down product based on that demand.
  • 1 0
 Its a small bespoke composites engineering company. I'm actually floored these cost only $700 a rim. When Spinergy came out with their original carbon wheels, they were something like $3000 USD (2022 pricing). So $2500 paired with some of the best hubs on the planet isn't that big of a cost.

You get what you pay for. Buy a cheap alloy wheel, its going to perform like a cheap alloy wheel. Buy a highly engineered composite wheel, you are probably going to notice immediately it's in another league of performance.
  • 8 4
 This is great! Would love a pair of these
  • 5 2
 Always skeptical of a company announcement that says "last forever", even if meant figuratively.
  • 5 1
 I don't know about the rims, but there hubs/headset can last almost forever. I have a set of hubs at least 15 years old. Been on a few trail bikes, a gravel bike and now on my DJ. Super smooth still. Their headsets are tough to beat
  • 3 0
 early campagnolo pedal bearings & shimano thumb shifters can easily last 30years... not quite forever, but a good innings..
  • 11 8
 It's crazy seeing these prices knowing Chris King pays their machinist pretty much minimum wage.
  • 21 3
 They could make their product overseas and pay people much much less if you'd prefer that.
  • 5 9
flag Elkulp (Apr 25, 2022 at 10:30) (Below Threshold)
 If they weren’t happy about it, they would leave.
  • 7 7
 @Bro-LanDog: Or they could not spend 100k+ a year on their marketing and sales department
  • 7 0
 @boogereater42069: of all the folks out there, King is pretty low key marketing wise. Even if they do, someone gets paid for that $100k spent. That said, I am sure your experience is needed to the take them to the next level. Have you applied yet? username checks out btw
  • 3 7
flag barp (Apr 25, 2022 at 11:09) (Below Threshold)
 @Bro-LanDog: This is your argument:

"They put too much salt on my fries."

"I could poop on them if you'd prefer that"

"...no, I just wanted less salt."
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 @boogereater42069: definitely higher than 100k
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 You know this for sure?

I kind of look upto King as a business / manufacturer , would be shit to hear this is the case if it can be backed up.
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 @justanotherusername: I've known a few people who worked at King, and they've all said that not only is the pay shit, but it's just a miserable place to work.
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 @barp: in a world where most fries are covered in poop this is a valid argument
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 @barp: that’s a shame, the vibe I had was they really looked after employees, having a chef, laid back environment etc.

Someone will come along and spoil my view of Hope next….
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 @rookie100: its called poutine and it's delicious you son of a bitch
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 @rookie100: +1 for my favorite use of the phrase "in a world where..." yet. This is a movie trailer I want to watch.
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 @justanotherusername: factory machinists are largely button pushers. 'taking care of people' may be paying more than other machinist jobs while still offering a very low pay. It is what it is. Blue collar manufacturing only pays well if you're an entrepreneur, like chris king himself.
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 @boogereater42069: 'market less' is pretty much the opposite of what any business 101 class would teach.
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 @Bro-LanDog: if it means paying the people who actually make the product you sell enough to afford their rent and food then yeah, market less. Stop buying vintage Italian cars to bring to events that cost more than your entire production staffs annual salary. And if factory machinists just push buttons marketing and sales just give hand jobs. That's coming from someone who has worked in marketing and sales.
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 @Bro-LanDog: Thanks, I own a small shop myself with a few employees (in the UK)

First of all, machinists are not just ‘button pushers’ - that’s some bullshit unless you mean a pure operator, but that’s not what you said.

Secondly, there is an ‘industry standard’ of pay for every job, from doctor to bricklayer to cleaner to teacher, if King pays what machinists are usually paid in the area then that’s not ‘very low pay’ - of course they won’t be paid as well as the company owner though, though I’m not paid a huge amount more than my most well paid ‘machinist’.
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 @boogereater42069: So are we saying here that King pays below expected wages for production staff?

As for the bullshit about vintage cars - I own a business and if I ever do well enough to buy something a bit silly (not really my bag but still) I’ll have done it off 20 years of risk, sacrifice and working more / harder than any other damn person that ever set foot in the building.

I don’t know if King did that but he ain’t some kind of billionaire, is he - so he can only be criticised for his spending if he is actually paying staff below usual sector wages, surely?
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 @justanotherusername: Last I heard (and it may have changed) 13 to 14 bucks an hour
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 @boogereater42069: If they pay low wages (less than at least the average for the type of work) then thats a bad show for sure.
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 @justanotherusername: i mean, there's machinists who are building precision one off components that go to mars, and there's machinists who load stock and measure parts all day. I'll give you a guess which one works for chris king.
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 @boogereater42069: @boogereater42069: Chris King marketing is more often than not "Have you tried Chris King hubs?" from random dudes on the trail after you complain about your wheels.
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 @Bro-LanDog: You describe a machinist and an operator there.

If he is only really employing machine operators, what would you expect to be paid for loading and unloading machines - I would expect fair market wages.
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 Do people still buy $2500 MTB wheels?
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 Do you suppose people go onto forums to complain about Ferraris being too expensive so they’re not going to buy one?
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 They could work with a company like oceanworks and mnfgr stuff from the getgo outta recycled bottles, bongs and dildos. Why the hell not
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 So if they use recycled material and they use less electricity than the average carbon wheel why do they cost more. Shouldn't they be cheaper. The savings is clearly not being passed on to the consumer.
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 "They cost less than most of the other high-end wheels on the market"? Really? What about Revel, Nobl, NOX, WAO, Santa Cruz, Bontrager, Reynolds, etc. I love Chris King products, but can't agree with that statement.
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 They are REALLY expensive but at least they have pretty colors and really isn't that all that matters when hanging of the tailgate of your Raptor?
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 I'm due for my dental exam...
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 do they do a road version ? all the dentists round here are using road bikes
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 So does recyclable just mean you can use them for more than one ride?
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 No
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 2.5k!!!! Better recycle the money to 2nd bike
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 Great that they're greener than most, but is it just me or are the decals a bit cheap looking for $2.5k wheels?
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 Revel partnership sounds like....
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 Can I send my old carbon rim into be recycled.
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 I'd definitely consider some of those when I needed new rims if they weren't so narrow.
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 29mm internal. How much wider to you want? Plus bike? 30 seems to be the 'norm' for trail/enduro bikes these days. 100% bet the 1mm difference you cannot tell
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 @bman33: You're probably right, but it does bug me that they named them "MTN30" when they're 29 mm wide.
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 @bman33: The rims on my Ripmo are 35 internal and I really don't want to go narrower than that.
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 @Explodo: so plus tires?

@barp true, maybe they named after the external? Big Grin
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 @bman33: I will tolerate rims being named for their external widths, just as soon as tires start mounting to the outside of the rim.
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 @explodo the real concern right now is how badass that car is on your profile. Nice build!
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 @bman33: Thanks. It's a fun car.

The biggest tire the Ripmo can take is 29x2.6, which is definitely not a plus tire. The rims are the factory rims for the bike and they've worked very well so far. My Shred Dogg has 45 internal rims but only up to a 3.0 tire. I've always like the ride characteristics of wider rims.
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 Last I heard DH pros were still trusting 27mm... And while most of us are not pros, we've (hopefully) all held a 3mm hex key and are suffering marketing delusions if perceiving big gains based on that minute rim dimension
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 @WoodenCrow: Loic Bruni took the DH World Cup last year on 25mm inner width rims.
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 Pick a rim ID, be a dick about it.
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 Do you ever get tears in your tyre walls? I promise you it's the wide rims.
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 Gfl rims are dope and very affordable compared to the n(L)ame brands.
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 price is the best "don't buy keep whats work"
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 Lost me at $2550 for rims lol
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 2550 USD... mah gawd.
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 center lock only!!! oh boy Frown
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 Blue hubs and red tape. This guy doesn't bike!
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 So are these made in the same factory as Revel Wheels?
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 ENVE just had some of their market share taken away!
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 The offical wheel of dentists across the globe
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 As always, its stupidly expensive to be green.
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 Guess dentists need wheels too...
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 Now if they could just make a silent-ish hub I might be interested
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 Newer King hubs are nowhere near as loud as they used to be. They're quiet enough that I wish they were louder.
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 @Explodo: Right? My last set of kings were nearly silent! Definitely a far cry from what they used to sound like.
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 @privateer-wheels: Yeah, if I were so inclined I could record a noise test comparing 20-year-old king hubs and 5-year-old king hubs and the difference is pretty huge.
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 those are the ugliest wheels ive ever seen
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 Nice wheels, stupid price.
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 then don't buy them
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 @newbermuda: thanks for the smart budgeting tip. I definitely couldn't have worked that out on my own.







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