Commencal Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle 650B - Review

Nov 21, 2016
by Richard Cunningham  



Poised to blow the socks off of the latest crop of ten-thousand-dollar showpiece enduro racers, the 2017 Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle 650B is not pasted tip to toe with super parts and mega-carbon, and it doesn't have a suspension configured to challenge the scientific community. Instead, Commencal gave its most important trail bike two simple weapons with which to slay its rivals: awesome performance and an affordable MSRP. The Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle has everything a powerful, talented and aggressive rider would need: a sturdy chassis, low and long, with gobs of just-right suspension travel; a 12-speed SRAM drivetrain; modern, rider-forward geometry; gravity-verified wheels and tires; and one of the better fitting cockpits we've thrown a leg over - all for an MSRP of $4449 USD ($3999 for customers who pre-order).



Details:
• Purpose: freeride, trail, enduro
• Chassis: Welded aluminum frame, 27/5" wheels, 160 mm-travel, single-pivot-swingarm, linkage-driven suspension, rider-forward geometry, ISCG 05 tabs
• Fork: RockShox Lyrik RCT3 Solo Air, 170 mm stroke ,Boost-width axle
• Shock RockShox Super Deluxe RC3
• Bottom bracket: BB92 press-fit
• Drivetrain: SRAM Eagle X01 with Eagle X1 aluminum crankset 34t
• Brakes: SRAM Guide RS, Rotors - 180 mm R, 200 mm F
• Five-year limited warranty
• Sizes: small, medium, large, X-large
• Weight; Medium size, actual - 31 pounds (14.05 kg)
• MSRP: $4449 USD
• Contact: Commencal / @COMMENCALbicycles
Commencal Meta AM V4.2 2017


About the Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle

Aluminum is Commencal's material of choice, and the AM V4.2's entire chassis is beautifully welded together from an assortment of forged fittings and butted tubes - most of which have been curved, flattened or manipulated to serve a higher purpose. The AM V4.2's profile resembles its predecessor (the Meta V4), with a single-pivot swingarm driving a top-tube mounted shock that is tucked into a concave recession in its underside, but most of the 2017 frame is completely new, and its rear-wheel travel is bumped up, from 150 to 160 millimeters.

Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review
Independent pivot locations for the seatstay and shock yoke allowed Commencal's designers to drive the shock with a smooth, progressive rate.


The sealed ball bearings that its suspension pivots upon are the same items found on the earlier Meta V4, but the bearings in the main frame have been moved outboard into the swingarm and rocker assemblies. The reason is to facilitate replacing the bearings when that day arrives, and also to improve manufacturing tolerances. The large forged centerpiece in the top tube has been replaced by a more attractive and lighter weight two-piece hydro-formed tube, which also provides more clearance for a longer and bulkier metric shock. And, like its predecessor, the V4.2's cables and hoses are intelligently internalized where it makes sense.

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Detail of the AM V4.2's inboard brake caliper and clevis-type dropout pivot..
Commencal Meta AM V4.2
A two-piece top tube eliminates the 2016 Meta's forged-aluminum shock mount.


Moving to the rear of the Meta, Commencal's designers switched to Boost hub spacing and moved the seat tube junction well forward of the bottom bracket - two features that free up much needed room for tire and mud clearance. There was space to play tennis around its 2.4-inch Maxxis Minion DHR tire. While we are on that subject, there is no provision for a front derailleur, which further sanitizes the look of the bottom bracket area.

British sympathizers might take umbrage with Commencal's decision to forego threads, but the Meta's BB92 press-fit bottom bracket is the best and most reliable of the genre, so I won't be flying the Union Jack at half-mast for this review. Chin up, though. Unlike other enduro bikes, there is a proper ISCG 05 flange on the drive-side, should its owner need a DH chain guide or a bash. Continuing the Meta tradition, there is a lot of silencing rubber on the right chainstay and on the left, the rear brake caliper mount is inboard of the frame to protect it from harm.


Geometry

Commencal Meta AM V4.2 2017 geometry


By its numbers, Commencal's new V4.2 is on the vanguard of long-travel all-mountain design, but does not broach into the experimental realm. Paired with a 170-millimeter-travel fork and a 65.5-degree head tube angle, the front axle is pretty far north of the rider. Its 74-degree seat tube angle is steep enough to properly weight the front tire and also to optimize pedaling ergonomics for tough climbs. Top tubes are lengthened, but not so long that riders with short torsos or arms will suffer greatly. Four sizes are offered, all with excellent stand-over clearance, so all but the tallest riders can simply buy up a size to obtain massive front/center values. Our medium-sized test bike had a 23.35-inch (59.3 cm) top tube with a 16.73-inch (42.5 cm) reach. Chainstay length was 17.2 inches (43.7 cm) and all tallied, the wheelbase measured 47 inches, while the published wheelbase is 46.46 inches (118 cm). To put that into perspective, PB test riders ranging from five-foot, ten inches to five-foot, seven inches (177 to 170 cm) could ride a medium.

Commencal


Race Eagle Build

Our test bike, the $4449 Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle is second from the top of Commencal's five build options, all sharing the same chassis, with the least expensive AM V4.2 Origin priced at $2449 USD and the flagship AM V4.2 World Cup priced at $5199 USD. Our V4.2 Race Eagle is arguably the best value in the range because Commencal outfits it with the most critical components of its more expensive brother - the same fork, shock, brakes and dropper post - and still manages to spec a 12-speed SRAM Eagle X01 transmission at a considerable savings. Those savings, apparently, are hidden in Commencal's Ride Alpha house-brand components and a custom wheel build - none of which left us wanting during the review process.

Specifications
Release Date 2017
Price $4449
Travel 160mm
Rear Shock RockShox SuperDeluxe RC3, 230x60
Fork RockShox Lyrik RCT3, 170mm, Solo Air, Boost
Headset CANE CREEK 40 Series
Cassette SRAM XG, 10 x 50, 12-speed
Crankarms SRAM X1 Eagle 34t 170mm arms
Chainguide NA
Bottom Bracket SRAM GXP Press Fit BB92
Pedals NA
Rear Derailleur SRAM Eagle X01 12-speed
Chain SRAM eagle X01
Front Derailleur NA
Shifter Pods SRAM Eagle X01 12-speed
Handlebar Ride Alpha, 7075 aluminum, 30 mm rise, 780 mm width,31,8mm clamp
Stem Ride Alpha, 50mm aluminum, 31.8 clamp
Grips Ride Alpha, ergonomic, one lock, super soft compound
Brakes SRAM Guide RS, 200mm / 180mm
Wheelset 27.5" Commencal build
Hubs Formula 32 hole
Spokes Pillar stainless, steel, 2mm, locking nipples
Rim Mavic 427 aluminum, 27mm inner width, tubeless ready
Tires Maxxis High Roller II 2.4." EXO (F), DHRII 2.4" EXO (R)
Seat Ride Alpha, chromoly rails
Seatpost RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31,6mm, 125mm on S/M, 150mm on L/XL.
Commencal Meta AM V4.2 2017

Commencal Meta AM V4.2 2017




FOUR QUESTIONS: Nicolas Ménard - Commencal R&D


RC: Exactly what were the changes in the V4.2's suspension's kinematics?

Nico Ménard: The kinematic is more progressive compared to Meta V4. It's quite a big difference in fact. We have been working with suspension manufacturers to get the right feeling we wanted with metric shocks.

RC: Are the bearings in the main pivots larger than last year's Meta?

Nico: All the bearings are the same as the Meta V4. The only thing that changed is the bearing assembly between the rocker and the frame. They used to be inside the frame. They are now located in the linkage. This is easier to do the maintenance and it's more stable to produce.

RC: The bottom bracket feels very low. Is that why the test bike has a shorter, 170-millimeter crankarm?

Nico: The bottom bracket is at the right height. We like the feeling of a low BB. We have different crank arms length [170mm on small/medium and 175mm on large/X-large frames] because of the morphology of small and tall riders. You wouldn't put 175 millimeter cranks on a 20-inch kids bike.

RC: Was eliminating the forged section in the top tube done to save weight?

Nico: By eliminating the forged parts, we slightly reduce weight, the finish is nicer, and we have a wider top tube that allows riders to also go to a Float X2 shock.





bigquotesI sent the drops faster and farther than I ever have with my own bike because it felt so composed upon landing. - Andy Paul, PB test rider

Commencal says in its PR that the only thing they changed when they designed the 2017 Meta AM V4.2 was "everything" - and those who have ridden its predecessor would wholeheartedly agree. Last year's Meta AM V4 was lively feeling under power and, while its handling was biased towards descending, its overall performance could still be described as a do-it-all trail bike for upper-level bike handlers.

By contrast, the new AM V4.2 makes it clear from the start that it wasn't born to putter around on blue-line trails. The handlebar is set high and the cranks low. Its steering feels calm and predictable, and its suspension ignores the kind of rocks, ruts and roots that occupy most riders' post-ride conversations. It pedals and accelerates very well, but it doesn't pump, sprint and slash every feature like a two-wheeled chihuahua humping the trail. The AM V4.2 moves forward in a more purposeful manner, arcing smoothly from corner to corner and rolling up and over climbs like a great white shark on the hunt.

Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review
bigquotesThe shock tune is so stable and its frame, so rigid, that you don't think twice about jumping to flat or landing off angle.

Drop into the the toughest chute you are comfortable descending and you'll excuse the Commencal's indifference to cross-country trails. The Commencal will eat anything in its path. The chassis commits to your line choice without hesitation. It steers with authority and surprising precision. You shove the handlebar towards your mark and the bike follows the front wheel religiously.

Ride point-to-point, and you'll discover that the Meta AM V4's suspension has the guts to straight-line ruts and rock gardens, and roll out of bomb holes or nose-first drops that would be game-over for most. The shock tune is so stable and its frame, so rigid, that you won't think twice about jumping to flat or landing off angle. In its element, the Commencal is a predator: lithe, powerful, decisive, and very, very, fast.

Not surprising, the Meta AM V4.2 also gets at it in the turns. Its 65-degree head angle feels a bit floppy at slow speeds and the front wheel has a strong tendency to turn into the apex as the bike is leaned in to set up for the corner. Both traits would have normally been strikes against its handling, and I'd be lying if I didn't report that when I first rode the bike, I was overcompensating and all over the place in the turns - especially at trail speeds. All three test riders who participated in the review had similar stories. Once you start pressing the Commencal harder into the corners, however, those perceived negatives will become some of the Meta's most positive attributes.

The AM V4.2 sets up so quickly for a corner that it allows its rider to brake much later. Establish your lean and, boom, it starts carving dirt. The trick is to let the bike set up for the turn with minimal input from the handlebar. If you want to hold a smooth arc, then keep the steering neutral. If you have overcooked your entry and need to scrub off some speed, steer into the turn a little and the bike will enter a controlled, two-wheel drift.
Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review

The same technique can be used to make quick work of a tight corner: steer in sharply just before the apex and, in spite of its length and slack angles, the Commencal will square off the turn and change direction in a heartbeat. Remarkably, it carries a lot of momentum. I was typically a gear higher when exiting corners.

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The Meta AM V4.2 carries a lot of speed out of turns.


Those who have read this far may have the impression that the AM V.4.2 is a great descender, but it probably comes up short on the fun factor. Depending upon your experience, that may be true. The Meta AM V4.2 weighs a little more than 30 pounds so it requires more input from its rider to pop off of smaller hits or make shapes. Riders coming off of a dirt-jumper or a short-travel trail bike might call the Commencal a pig, but that would be selling it short.

Turn up the amplitude and the AM V4.2 becomes quite playful - but in the larger sense of the word. Its 74-degree seat tube angle and moderately stretched cockpit situates its rider in a sweet spot between the wheels, where it becomes relatively easy to select which end of the bike you'd like to move around. Test riders who came off of big bikes remarked about how fun the Commencal was, playing off smaller features. The difference lies in how you define "smaller features."

Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review

bigquotesTest riders who came off of big bikes remarked about how fun the Commencal was, playing off smaller features. The difference lies in how you define 'smaller features.'

Overall Performance

The Meta V4.2 rides best with less suspension sag than I normally use. With the shock set between 25 and 30-percent and the fork, under 20 percent, the ride should have been harsh in the early part of the suspension travel, but it was not. If I set the spring pressure any softer, the ride height would drop so low that I'd be bashing the crank arms on everything. The rear suspension has a lot of support in the mid-stroke, so a little extra spring pressure in the fork helped to balance that feel and, as a result, the bike stayed level and felt very composed while descending and during heavy braking.

As with all of the long-travel, gravity-oriented bikes I review, I handed off the Meta AM V4.2 to some local downhill specialists who could push the Commencal all the way to the edges of its performance envelope. All of us were on the same page with its cornering - that it felt like it turned in too quickly until we began to push harder. Braking was all thumbs up as well for power and good modulation - although Andy Paul, the test rider who appears in this feature's images, remarked that the SRAM Guide RS brake-pads contacted the rotors later than he was used to. I like the softer bite that Guide RS brakes have compared to Shimano's XT and XTR Trail brakes. It helps to prevent unwanted lock-ups on Southern California's slippery hardpack trails.
Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review

On the subject of braking, I expected the Commencal's single-pivot swingarm to encourage rear-wheel lock-up, but that was never a problem. There always seemed to be enough grip to keep the rear wheel lined up while I was trail-braking into a turn, or dropping down a steep chute.

When it comes to jumping, the Meta AM V4.2 tops the chart. Level, front wheel high or low, it pretty much does what it is asked. The rear suspension, ramps up quickly, so it never felt like it was bottoming. Andy said that bike felt so composed that he kept sending it farther and farther, until he was launching drops beyond anything he had done on his personal bike. I used that talent most often to skip the hassle of choosing a line through rocky sections by jumping them entirely. The boys returned the Commencal with a renewed respect for aluminum frames - thrashed, but undamaged beyond a number of dents in its Mavic 427 rims and some leaky sealant near the tire beads. Beyond that, the AM V4.2 was good as new - not a single component failure, no loose bolts, no squeaky bearings, no leaky suspension, and no free play anywhere in the suspension.

Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review


Complaints? We all had issues with the Meta's wider-than-necessary seatstays - a problem, unfortunately, that has been carried forward from the 2016 Meta AM. Sometimes your feet hit them, sometimes they don't, but there is no explanation why they must bow outwards an inch where there are no wheels, tires or components to prevent them from being tucked well inboard to clear your shoes.

That said, the rest of the AM V4.2 was a perfect fit. The Commencal-branded cockpit was spot-on for comfort and control, with just-right handlebar dimensions, comfortable grips and a perfect fore/aft rider position over the bike


Technical Report

Wheels: Mavic's 427 rims paired well with the AM V4.2's 2.4-inch Maxxis HR II and Minion DHR II tires. The 27-millimeter inner width of the aluminum rims kept the edges of the tires biting while exposing enough tread to ensure good braking traction. The V4.2, however, proved to be more capable than its wheels. The downhill specialists reported that the custom-spec wheelset was not laterally stiff enough to handle the amplitude that the chassis was capable of.

Saddle: Perhaps the worst saddle of the year. Nobody who rode the bike had anything good to say about it. The shape felt wrong and the padding design was inhumane.

SRAM Eagle transmission: The more I ride Eagle the more I like it. I never dropped a chain or missed a shift. The wider gearing spread is necessary on the low end to get the 31-pound beast up the steeps, and it smokes the downs, so the taller top gear was nearly as handy.

Short crank arms: Not a fan of short crank arms on a bike that is intended to pedal up steeps. The extra leverage is a plus - even for shorter riders. The small and medium sizes are spec'ed with 170-millimeter arms. That said, I had enough pedal strikes with the 170's to shiver at the prospect of how many more times I'd be smacking pedals riding 175-millimeter crank arms.

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Heel strikes were common on the wide-stance seat stays.
Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review
Wheels dented, but still batting for the fence.
Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review
Worst saddle ever.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesCommencal's newest all-mountain/enduro racer is a winner for anyone in the market for a massively capable descender that packs enough efficiency in the pedaling department to get a strong rider up the transfer stages on time, and access summits that promise choice descending and have no lift or shuttle options. The Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle 650B is not for the faint of heart. To enjoy this beast properly, you'll need a lot of vertical, and features that would send most riders to their garages to fetch big bikes. Commencal spent every penny of its asking price on the most important items: frame, suspension, drivetrain, and brakes. There is no carbon anywhere on this bike, and perhaps that's a good thing. If you are willing to overlook a couple of pounds, the Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle 650B is the real deal at half the price. - RC


Commencal Meta AM V4.2 review



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About the Rider:
Stats: Age: 25 • Height: 5'11” • Weight: 150lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: iMountainbike
Andrew Paul spent time as a kid riding and maintaining a set of rundown dirt jumps and quickly became obsessed with gravity racing, getting faster, and building bigger and better trails. His real passion is digging - creating something fun to ride that is visually appealing and inspires others. When Andy doesn't have a shovel in hand, he's out with friends, pinning it somewhere in San Diego.



224 Comments

  • + 246
 Okay so there are now approximately a million bikes in this category. Most of which seem to get favourable reviews. GROUPTEST PLEASE!!!!

We all want to see Meta vs. Capra vs. Enduro vs. Patrol vs. Remedy/Slash vs. Nomad/Bronson vs etc, etc.
  • + 36
 They get paid to do individual reviews, Its super rare to see a head to head these days.
  • + 20
 @siderealwall2: Bike does it.
  • + 24
 Head-to-Head will absolutely kill advertising. You think if you get put at the bottom of the heap you will pay to advertise on PB? Single reviews allow them to say nice things about everyone.
  • + 1
 @packfill: ...and unfortunately a lot of the same gripes come forward there too - they're all awesome, and excel in different areas. The biggest problem always comes down to which manufacturer sent a better ringer bike, or if it's a price point one then there will be bikes just above it that either no-show or go down much farther in spec and some which are a tick under (but sold out) which bully their way to the top with better suspension/drivetrain instead of actual frame performance.
  • + 7
 I'd up vote this a thousand times if I could. I'm looking at a fair few of the bikes you listed and it's really hard to find a good comparative review anywhere. Everyone sings the praises of all the bikes that are tested - which is maybe a sign of how good modern bikes are - but I struggle to believe that they're all the same when hopped on one after the other.
  • + 23
 Don't need the group test, it's like pitting Bugatti vs Ferrari vs Lambo vs Maclaren vs Porsche at this point. Buy what suits your terrain, taste in style and spec, and price point, then go out and ride it like ya stole it. They're all terrific steeds, enjoy the golden age of pedal powered off road bicycles-
  • + 6
 @catfish9797: The Grand Tour (Amazon's successor to Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson, etc) just did that car test...well Ferrari vs. Porsche vs McClaren anyway...it was awesome! In fact 92%+ of amazon viewers gave it 5 stars.

I totally agree that different bikes suit different people, but that doesn't make a grouptest pointless, I think rides can be compared in a way that allows people to judge their differences for themselves. Even with bikes being better than they ever have been most bikes are a compromise of some sort. With no bike store or demo centre able to stock all of the best rides, we rely on the guys at PB for our info.

I'm not asking for a ranking of best to worst, just a comparison. Pinkbike makes it's money advertising to us, the least we can expect in return is some objective comparisons!
  • + 1
 @orastreet1: I think the answer to that is simply to do both. PB can take revenue for single reviews writing glowing things about a specific product and offer a ranking-style review as a service to the community without risking its relationships with the manufacturers.

I think that @catfish9797 has a good point in saying that the differences are pretty minimal, and that you should pick what fits your fancy and get on riding. As long as PB doesn't specifically degrade a particular product, but rather focuses on ranking by category (best climber, best for jumping, best dh, best cornering, etc), I don't see why it would be a problem from a business angle. That said, I don't work at PB and know what their relationships are like or what their revenue figures are so free advice is worth what you pay for it, I guess.
  • + 2
 @Altron: it was rated 92% because we all wanted the "old top gear" back and thats pretty much what we got. the review % didnt have anything to do with the head to head battles between brands.
  • + 3
 I know the head to head test will never happen due to reasons mentioned above BUT I would love it if PB tested the last generation of the same bike in a head to head.
ie. is the new spec enduro that much better than the old one or is it mostly marketing fluff?
They could even go back a few generations to tell a better story about the progression of the sport and the trajectory of the bike design.
Something along these lines but with trail impressions etc:
www.pinkbike.com/news/the-evolution-of-the-specialized-enduro-2016.html
  • + 6
 Has anyone noticed that there are no forum threads going like: which car should I buy McLaren P1 or LaFerrari or Bugatti Chiron? I'd like to see that in Pinkbike edition of that: - La Ferrari sucks! Been driving Huyara for a year now and it never failed me! - bollocks! Huyara blew on me twice, ever since I got Regera I never looked back. - I drive Carrera GT3 and regularly pass blokes on 918s and Aventadors on Nurburgring, electric motors have no place in cars - GT3 hahaha, admin, ban him for being poor!
  • - 3
 Orbea Rallon , nuff said.
  • + 0
 I appreciate Bike and MTBR for their ability to diss bikes for some things and praise for others, but most riders never see those reviews. It took me over 3 months to decide on my trail bike, reading every review for every bike evil made, but spotted zero connections to other bikes I had ridden, even from major brands. Pulled the trigger, but I would have been able to do it a lot sooner with more information.
  • + 2
 oh si, you can compare different bikes, different frames and linkages in an objective way. the design of the rear suspension is an important piece of any bike, and there's specific software to analyze all those designs and compare them (numbers don't lie), and the differences between high end bikes are impresive. but who cares? people never look at numbers, and marketing departments always hide crappy designs.
  • + 1
 @catfish9797: well, we have GT1 for that.
  • + 1
 @samfr1000:

At least you can find a comparison to the nomad in the Last capra pro review here : -) and many people in the patrol thread have had some of the other mentioned bikes before. So there is a possibility to get some good comparisons ;-)
  • + 1
 enduro-mtb.com do a good grouptest occasionally
  • + 2
 @Jagertom: They do, and those are some of the most enjoyable technical analyses attached to group tests. MBR in UK does price point ones, which actually provide somewhat more relevant feedback on what I can actually do cost-wise.

It's just silly that in half of the group tests, the bigger brands are just tossing ENVE wheels on, and that affects every subjective area of performance.
  • + 1
 check enduro-mtb.com
  • + 1
 @T10irons: good shout, they don't have all the big names but this is a great starting point

enduro-mtb.com/en/get-better-9-high-end-enduro-bikes-comparison
  • + 1
 @siderealwall2: This is were other mags that do so outshine this site.
  • + 137
 Saying PF92 is the best press fit bottom bracket is like saying Chlamydia is the most easily treated STD. Brilliant, good to know, you still don't want it. Lovely looking bike though, even if it has got Chlamydia.
  • + 10
 You have profound knowledge of Chlamydia, or am i mistaken?

Dangerously pretty ????
  • + 13
 "British sympathizers might take umbrage with Commencal's decision to forego threads..."

Even after he called you Brits out, you still had to make the comment... lol! Lets make this clear though, I live in the PNW, I don't disagree with you...
  • + 4
 As much as I would prefer a proper threaded BB - the PF92 on my current bike has been trouble (and creak) free for something like 8 months of hard riding now (I ride about 4-5x/week, and I weigh in at a reasonably athletic 230#/105kg, so there's a fair bit of stress on the BB). My previous bike had a BB86 - and it creaked like crazy starting on about the third ride. Not enough data to draw conclusions - but so far, so good. I hesitated before going for this bike, because of the BB standard - so far, I haven't regretted the decision.
  • + 1
 British sarcasm, and you nailed it. PF is f'n garbage. Just head over to Knolly/Transition they have it figured out. I'm pretty sure the new Ellsworth Roque is threaded too.
  • + 1
 Yep, lost me with press fit
  • + 124
 Never meta bike like this before
  • + 6
 I know and man it must soar like a eagle through those rock gardens
  • + 19
 it looks Absolut Supreme
  • + 44
 Here we go. Commencal of another pun battle
  • - 14
flag karoliusz (Nov 21, 2016 at 1:12) (Below Threshold)
 Commence of all new bike category.
  • - 32
flag WAKIdesigns (Nov 21, 2016 at 1:27) (Below Threshold)
 It's not normal to ride around hills naked in wizard hat and shout "I got Smeagol, I got Smeeeaaaagooool!" but on Meta it is.
  • + 27
 Consider this bike v4 u make any decision
  • - 14
flag wolf-amongst-lambs (Nov 21, 2016 at 2:29) (Below Threshold)
 Its usually me that kills the thread. Whats going on here
  • - 2
 @wolf-amongst-lambs: Waki Designs pissed everyone off again
  • - 10
flag WAKIdesigns (Nov 21, 2016 at 7:27) (Below Threshold)
 Fk that sht! Nobody here seems to know "xxx isn't normal but on meth it is" memes or you don't find'em funny. Damn you. Meta is close to Meth and those memes are fkng funny. Screw you effers! It was a legitimate Pun!

www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/trying-to-build-a-personal-stargate-isnt-normanl-but-on-meth-it-is-375x500.jpg
  • + 11
 @WAKIdesigns: Haha. That's just the game on the comments section, man.
  • + 8
 @WAKIdesigns: I had to meta-tate to pick up on your punniness.
  • - 2
 Was going to get a carbon bike V4 I read this review. Now I'm going alloy.
  • + 8
 @WAKIdesigns: The Pinkbike comment section is ruthless dude. Try ccomplaining that you don't live in Whistler next time, you might get more upvotes that way
  • + 59
 Great review. One little quibble: longer cranks don't make it easier to pedal up hills! That has been thoroughly debunked in lab and field tests. In fact, short cranks have been correlated with less O2 intake at equal power (McDaniel et al. 2002). Short cranks are a game changer — better position on the bike, fewer pedal strikes, easier on the hips and knees.

Due to hip issues, I installed 165 mm cranks on all my bikes to decrease my hip angle at the top of the pedal stroke. I assumed, as most do, that this would adversely affect my climbing, but I was at the point that I just wanted to be able to ride comfortably. I was surprised to find that I was actually climbing faster, on road and off.

I'd love to see Pinkbike do an article on commonly held assumptions like this one. I'm sure there are many other things that we as MTBers haves assumed forever that are flat out false.
  • + 6
 Thought exactly the same myself. Could be a personal preference thing and the rider has tried short cranks and doesn't like em but it certainly sounds like a cliche thing where it's assumed that short cranks are only good for DH bikes. I would argue the opposite; that longer cranks and a wider Q factor will aid stability in gravity and jump bikes whereas anything that needs to be pedalled is better with a shorter crank and narrower Q factor which will improve efficiency. Obviously you could go for a compromise of the two as well. I think on the whole we're all riding cranks that're too long but there's the obvious personal preference thing to consider. And sssshhh I can always find 165s cheap!
  • + 4
 Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested in giving that a read. Cheers
  • + 4
 Must say Sheldon Brown says a 10mm shorter crank requires a drop in chain ring size (or larger rear cog) to get the same power. On my Spartan, I installed 165s and dropped from a 32t to a 30t and it feels exactly the same on climbs, but obviously lost some top end.
  • + 0
 @Rubberelli: I haven't read that particular chapter from Sheldon Brown, not sure if you're quoting or not...but it seems the statement is regarding output whereas I would argue shorter cranks allow the rider to produce more power on the input due to a more efficient pedalling position, this may allow you to go up a chainring size ;-)
I use 34t x 11-40, if I use longer cranks I need easier gears.
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 @Rubberelli: The reason for is is the fact that crankarm length is a form of gearing. Just like the length from the middle of the hub to the cog teeth in which the chain rides on or the center of the BB to the chainring teeth. Shorter cranks benefit from a less drastic hip angle at the top of the stroke, but a consequence is the increased gearing from the lower leverage crank length. Short cranks don't mean you're weaker/stronger, it means that you have done another form of regearing. To offset that i've gone from a 30 to a 28t, similar to you.
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 @AVann6: home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/the-benefits-of-reducing-your-crank-length

This is a good summary, and the actual study is linked to at the end.
  • + 4
 I switched to 165 mm cranks because of hip problems and definitely noticed a decrease in torque on steep, tech climbs. There's no arguing with physics there. Had to drop a chainring size to compensate.
  • + 4
 @mrbabcock: The theory behind all that is pretty solid. Thing is, though - when I bent a crankarm and used a loaner crank my LBS gave me while we were waiting for the replacement, it was a 170 instead of 175, and for the life of me I couldn't tell the difference. That's a 3% reduction in leverage (due to 3% shorter lever arm) in the most powerful part of the pedal stroke, and a wee bit of reduction in the awkwardness of the hip angle at the very top of the stroke. Perhaps I'm just not that finely tuned in.
  • + 2
 Narrow wide oval chainrings + 165mm crank arms = once you go black, u'll never go back.
  • + 1
 @g-42: I find 10mm difference in stance quite significant, 20mm is a big difference...you can interperate the numbers to make the case for either side ;-)
  • + 1
 @mrbabcock: thanks @mrbabcock. I'll check that out
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 Seriously who can tell the difference between 175mm cranks and 170mm?
  • + 4
 A couple of problems with your source, and actually all the sources that study this:

1. they focus on power. For proper mtb climbs, power is nowhere near as important as torque. And, for any given chainring size, a longer crank = more torque. If you have more torque available, you can flatten out your torque application to avoid peaks that will result in loss of traction. Having a mix of 170 and 175 cranks available, and running them on the same bike, I can confirm this is indeed the case- longer cranks give you better traction. It is the same principal at work behind oval chain rings.

2. Longer cranks need fewer pedal strokes to cover the same distance. Since a FS bike loses energy on every actuation of the suspension, the fewer strokes the better. If, on the same section of trail, you can comfortable cruise at 80 rpm on 175 cranks and 85 rpm on 170 cranks, you will be more efficient on the 175s.
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 @tsheep: I don't think your second point is accurate. Assuming the chainring size remains constant, both setups should cover the same distance. The longer crank length lets the rider apply less force over a greater distance (spin your legs in a bigger circle) whereas the shorter crank is the opposite. At least this is what my rudimentary knowledge of physics tells me.
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 @ThomDawson: here is Sheldon's gearing calculator. If you decrease the crankarms you have to decrease the chainring to compensate.
www.sheldonbrown.com/gear-calc.html
  • + 1
 @Rubberelli you don't have to do anything at all ;-) I wasn't arguing that Mr Brown was wrong I was merely pointing out that he assumes that the rider will have the same input on different sized cranks which is an oversight. With a crank better suited to the riders size, the rider can make better use of his/ her strength and the mechanics of the human body to produce more power, more efficiently which would negate the need to reduce the chainring size - it may even allow the rider to use taller gears. Which is exactly what I've found. There is more to it than a simple gearing calculator when the engine is a human person.
  • + 1
 I assume everyone is talking pedaling sitting down? What about pedaling standing up?
  • + 2
 @GuateRick: you pedal standing up? :-P
I think if it's complicated when seated (and I believe it is) then when standing everything goes out the window. When pedalling a fs mtb up a "mountain" the rider is so dynamic, the terrain so random that it becomes difficult to measure anything. These days the majority of us climb from the saddle since bikes have been adapted specifically to allow us to do that, only short sharp power moves are done out of the saddle (even then I'm still sat down 90% of the time) but there I can understand the merits of a longer crank. Though speaking for myself it's not worth sacrificing the efficiency of a shorter crank and I may even pedal better on those power moves with my shorties, I dunno...usually all I'm thinking in those moments is "you are not beating me you f@cking smelly a$$ tw@t hill". I just think short cranks have more benefits than simply providing more clearance which is usually the only reason people will consider them.
  • + 57
 I'd sell the Eagle and stock wheels, buy SLX and put saved money on high end alu wheels and tyres, still having some cash left for beer and weed. Great job Commencal, looks sweet!
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 designed to "blow the socks off of the latest crop of ten-thousand-dollar showpiece enduro racers"

exactly what the industry needs, a good slap in the face !!
  • + 8
 Sweet looking bike! Great frame, great wheels, perfect cockpit setup, awesome suspension, but fk, if it only had Eagle - said no decent rider, EVER. Ooooooh how I wish I could spend 100$ on a chain - oh my gawd!
  • + 7
 Free weed and beers! PB party!!
  • + 3
 Who wants to bet that if Eagle cassette was 9-52 people would be still be saying that they actually need that range? That if Shimano made now 10-54 people would be going: cheaper than Eagle and more range? XX1 was the best thing that happend to mtb drivetrains since 1990s Eagle Is one of the dumbest, it goes together with 35 bar clamps, boost and 650b.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Weird. I went on a 2hr ride yesterday and used both ends of the Eagle with a 34 up front.
Maybe you should consider being faster...
  • - 13
flag WAKIdesigns (Nov 21, 2016 at 9:36) (Below Threshold)
 @scary1: 36 front, 950g tyres, 14,5kg 160 bike with 275 wheels and no Eagle. 26" HT with 700g rims and dh tyre rear with 38t front and 36 rear - try next door baby
  • + 6
 Why is everyone so excited about pricing on this? In the US, compare this to a Process 157 - pretty much same price with a remarkably similar spec other than 1x11 instead of 1x12 - but you get 35mm WTB rims. And, since it's not an online store, you'll probably get a bit of a discount at your local bike shop, so that's pretty much equalized then. (Comparing it to the Kona, since I'm familiar with it - but there's a few others in that niche.) Yes, this seems like a pretty well packaged bit of kit for the price - but it's not outrageously undercutting the rest of the market, and given that most folks in the US would get this as a direct sale bike - with all the drawbacks that comes with, so you'd expect a bit of a discount. Compare this to YT or Whyte, and it's not looking that cheap.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Next door said you dont have anything steep to climb then and probably shouldnt weigh in on what terrain others ride.
They also said your car lights are on.
  • - 21
flag WAKIdesigns (Nov 21, 2016 at 10:24) (Below Threshold)
 @scary1: you are an idiot.
  • + 12
 @WAKIdesigns: Do we really want to do a Pinkbike Poll on idiocy ,here?..really?
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: bit early in the day to be drinking there?
  • + 5
 @scary1: Spot on scary. Anyone not using their full range simply isnt working hard enough...
  • + 2
 why not just buy the lower spec'd model and not deal with the hassle of dumb buyers?
  • + 4
 @g-42: they make cheaper versions of every they make that blows the doors off the big box guys price wise.

even with my employee discount i couldn't beat commi's pricing.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm with you on that. You'll be better of pushing than using that gearing. Complete waste of time for a bike like that.
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I remember exactly the last time I had 22t granny on my bike. I was in the beginning of a ride and as I was approaching a steep-ish 500m long gravel climb, I passed a 60-70 year old runner. As the climb begun I dropped the chain to the granny ring and begun spinning. In the middle of the climb the old man caught up on me... 2 weeks later I had 1x drivetrain installed 32t front 36t rear... no runner has ever passed me ever since.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: yeah, like i said,"terrain"
Maybe less time on gravel roads with speedwalking grandparents .
Thanks for making my point for me.
Good day.
  • - 3
 @scary1: I called you an idiot exactly for you saying my climbs are not steep enough. You are an idiot. I take you on a ride here and 1,5 hours you will do 6 climbs with 200ft altitude difference and you will be crying for mercy. You may not be an idiot but you do say stupid sht.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: i said GOOD DAY,sir!
  • - 1
 @scary1: Oh I'm sorry. HAVE A NICE DAY, at least someone has to!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: saying stupid shit is what the internet is for.
Also, I hate climbing but you cant get to the downhills with out it,dont ride enough to stay in climbing shape,this gearing/bike combo is what ive been waiting for, for years so, you or anyone elses preferences mean nothing and, I hate climbing, this helps keep me from hating riding altogether. I hate climbing.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Nov 22, 2016 at 10:20) (Below Threshold)
 @scary1: I love climbing steep difficult stuff. I started practicing trails skills for the sole purpose of being better at climbing. If I can climb a 26er with DH tyre on 38t front and 36t rear in the off season after stopping lifting sht in April, if I beat dudes on 29" racer bikes on short climb Strava segments while riding a heavy setup of Antidote carbon jack (which could fall under mini DH category) then I defo don't lack power. I'm no Jared Graves but I can a thing or two and while I may be genetically predisposed to low cadence, the front mech was still holding me down for a long long time and I am more than sure that there are plenty of folks out there who live mocked down with this roadie science of spinning 90RPM.
  • + 1
 Mountain bikers are crazy. The industry invent an over priced pointless bit of a equipment and the mountain bikers invent a reason to buy it.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: mountain bikers are crazy. They HAVE to have an opinion about what OTHER PEOPLE ride and do with THEIR money
  • + 1
 still overpriced and pretty useless.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Then,dont buy it. I did. Its very useful to me. You're wrong, Enough said.
  • - 2
 @scary1: " you're wrong" haha. And the only thing that justifies your position is the faxt that Eagle is high end drive train, so if you can get it you are the one to judge. I must tell you, no one ever told me that the wider the range you use the faster rider you are. Brilliant.

Hey @thenotoriousmic - do you even pull on the upstroke bro? Big Grin
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: you're right.Im just going to take it off and get a smaller 9speed dx cluster. Thatll make me much happier trying to make it up Widowmaker when its 100°f at 7am in August.
Thanks for your insights on my life
  • + 1
 @scary1: if it's hot as f*ck why you even riding up hills anyway? If it's that steep that it requires this kind of gearing your really should be getting off and pushing to save your energy for the downhill which is what this bike deserves.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: i have a Wreckoning. Im trying to climb more. I am very skilled at pushing already.
  • + 1
 @scary1: you have a what?
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: Evil Wreckoning. A 160mm 29r
  • + 1
 @scary1: ah right I stopped paying attention to evil a long time ago.
  • - 1
 @thenotoriousmic: at least he has a good bike, not that Following trendy pish.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: they shipped the revolt knowing it was going to fail. Evil don't exist to me.
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I'm stripped of values, I'd suck some dicks and swallow some loads to get a Wreckoning bike on Öhlins TTX and 36 RXF
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: will you accept cash or do I need to give you the bike?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: looks incredible but you can never trust a company who's willing to put their customers at risk to stay afloat.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: i dunno. All i know is i tied my fast time on strava today on a gnarly dh run that i set 3 years ago on a v10. That was pretty cool to do on a 29r.
So far its the most capable/fun bike ive owned in 20 years and the suspension isnt even dialed right,yet.
  • + 1
 @scary1: I bet its an awesome bike and they've probably changed their ways or might not even be owned by the same people.

I don't think strava works anyway. I went faster on limestone in the dark in the rain on a track that was covered in wet slimey leaves on a hardtail than I did during the middle of summer on a downhill bike last week.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: why you harshing my buzz,bro?!
  • + 0
 @thenotourismic - I find Strava rather accurate enough for non-world champs. It is useful to track your results as long as you use 5-10 second accuracy. If some dude beats you by half of a minute then hey... but yea if you try to beat yourself down to half of a second using it, then yea you're fooling yourself. I skip the idea of trying to get KOMs... that's fkng stupid.

@scary1 - that is not a surprise. People boiling bikes down to wheel size are morons. When 29ers were coming in strong in 2009, in the same way 275 was coming in 2013, the people who were bitching most were the dumb part of downhillers. They were saying that these bikes are freight trains that are hard to manouver, that handle like cows, that their wheels are made for bulldozing over rocks for people who can't ride over rocks... ekhem! EXCUSE ME! A question! Is there a single one bike type that is less manouverable, heavier and riding over rocks easier than a DH bike? NO! ok ok another one... is there a single bike type that is absolutely useless anywhere outside lift/shuttle assisted steep trail? NO!

29ers have gone a quite a long way since the hype of 2009 (and all the painful preceding years) and the latest breed of long travel ones, are now generally, the fastest, most multipurpose mountain bikes out there and the only downside is that it is harder (but defo not impossible) to look stylish when riding and jumping them, and they plow so well that it is hard to motivate lifting the wheels off the ground. I mean, you have to go REALLY fast to make them shine in style department.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't really know how cool is look jumping but, do know it jumps really nice and even. No, surprises on take off,like you get on some bikes
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns, @thenotoriousmic : Strava is only as accurate as your GPS device. If you are using a smartphone, then the GPS chip only 'polls' once every 5-10 seconds to get its location. A good, dedicated Garmin will poll much more often and therefore be much more accurate.
  • + 1
 @scary1: sorry dude Frown
  • + 1
 @hamncheez: I'm not really bothered about strava jusy trying it out on a 1 min downhill on a night ride.
  • + 31
 "Commencal spent every penny of its asking price on the most important items: frame, suspension, drivetrain, and brakes"

Wheels are far more important than drivetrain IMO
  • + 7
 Wondering if there's any room left for a coil or large volume air shock? Might otherwise be a deal breaker for me not to be able to run a coil..
  • + 1
 @Archimonde: strange...pics don't lie, but I emailed Commeçal about putting a CCDB Inline on it and they said it wouldn't fit.
  • + 3
 @ReformedRoadie: Maybe that's to do with the CCDB inline's adjusters being wide and not the coil or air can.
  • + 3
 @bonkywonky: yes this is a fix for the 4.2 compared to the v4, pretty much all shocks fit the new frame.
  • + 9
 I think they're selling these bikes to riders who are either going to beat on the stock wheels until they taco into the ground, or will ride light enough to not care. Saving money on the wheel build is probably the right place for something of this type - wheel destroyers will have to go custom anyway, everybody else gets some good placeholder wheels and doesn't find themselves wondering what to do with cut-rate dampers on suspension or having to buy 200mm rotors just to ride it hard.
  • + 1
 Not that I lose any sleep because of it but why the hell would anyone neg prop my initial comment?
  • + 1
 @ReformedRoadie: I wonder if a push elevensix would fit then?
  • + 11
 Looks like an absolute beast of a bike. With that being said, does anyone else ever wish we could take product photos not in the dark? #oldandcantseeshit
  • - 4
flag viatch (Nov 21, 2016 at 0:31) (Below Threshold)
 dark photos? its winter...deal with it
  • + 9
 Take that Yeti/SC/Spesh/et al....
  • + 4
 Was going well until the words 'Push Fit BB' appeared.

I had a v3 SX and it was a stonking bike, the ONLY thing that let it down was the BB creaking every 3 months (or less in wet seasons). It might be an old record but why oh why do they insist on using push fit BBs still?!

For that money though, that's a pretty well stocked array of kit on it.
  • + 10
 I agree.pressfit=no sale no matter what kind of bike it is for me.
  • + 0
 @nug12182: yup me too, that's why I bought the Knolly Warden!!!
  • + 5
 I'm sure this is a great bike but Commencal really need to up their game on customer support and warranty issues before I'd ever consider buying one again.
  • + 4
 Would you care to share your experience?
  • + 10
 @wowbagger: i can share mine, though they are from 9 years ago. bought a commencal meta 5, 2 cracked front triangles and one snapped rear triangle in 18 months, each return taking between 2 and 4 months to sort out and every replacement part being a different colour to the original bike and any previous replacements. the swingarm actually had a letter telling me my warranty was now voided because i'd already had 3 replacement parts.
there's a reason they are direct sales only now and its because no distributor in their right mind wants anything to do with them.
  • + 4
 @b45her: So, is that a "would not buy again" or "would buy again, if they have sorted their crap out"?
  • + 1
 @Kiwiplague: to be honest it put such a bad taste in my mouth i have never ever considered any of their products again and dont think i ever would.
  • + 26
 @wowbagger: I bought a 2015 Meta SX. Absolutely loved it. But one of the main pivot bolts simply dropped out of the seatstay one day and was lost. So I ordered a new one from Commencal. It took weeks to arrive but to their credit Commencal had shipped it; their distributor just didn't bother forwarding it. A call to Commencal HQ got it moving again. Fitting the bolt I realised what the issue was- the threads in the seatstay were completely reamed; The bolt slid freely in and out of the thread. I was told by an engineer with more than 4 decades of experience that it was caused by the bolt being over-torqued at the factory. There was no other explanation for it. I raised a warranty issue with Commencal and had to wait weeks for a response, despite sending pictures and a video demonstrating the issue. They finally came back to me and told me they wouldn't resolve it under warranty, that the damage was caused by a loose bolt. Which was nonsense and when pressed for a reasonable justification they just repeated their flawed assertion.
That would be bad enough, except I couldn't buy a new rear triangle to replace the one that was damaged (I really did like that bike) as Commencal didn't stock them. They don't keep a stock of 650B Meta SX framesets either. So they offered me a 'discount'. They offered me a Meta V4 frameset for 783 Euro. That's 34 Euro more than the same frameset costs on their website:
www.commencal-store.co.uk/meta-am-v4-c102x3044347
Or I could get a V3 for a 'discounted' price of 714 Euro, which is 'only' 15 quid more than it was offered on their website:
www.commencal-store.co.uk/frame-meta-am-v3-650b-yellow-2015-c2x14582262
I wish I was making this up, I really do but that's what happened. In this case I don't think Commencal did anything right, whether it was standing by the quality of their product, supporting their customer or offering a reasonable resolution. Just be aware to expect the same if you buy in to their BS.
  • + 0
 @Deuce-DeuceAndAHalf: Yep there's a reason they are as cheap as they are!
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 @Deuce-DeuceAndAHalf: jesus.. Your story reads like a "how to get customers off your back and to buy other brands in 3 easy steps"
  • + 4
 @richardcunningham @andypaul
I noticed that Andys height is 5'11" - how did he feel on the medium sized bike?
I am also 5'11" and I have been considering a v4.2, and would be curious to hear any thoughts.
  • + 2
 The bike fit spot on. I wasn't stretched out or crammed.
  • + 5
 I believe a 'race eagle' might better be described as a falcon, but sic bike!
  • + 2
 Yay for boost now you can bash your heals allday long cos 650b is soooo amazing its better to live with the heal strikes than run 26. hence why i brought one of the last meta sl 1's without boost and 650b. still has press fit thou :-(
  • + 6
 LOL 5100+$ bike and you said affordable? nice try
  • + 4
 He's saying they are cheap for the componentry on the bike. A good deal for the parts
  • + 3
 I was just admiring how nicely welded is the new Alloy Trek Remedy and here is the new Meta top tube. Each time I would see it I couldn't get my eyes off that weld in the middle. Nice bike though and decently spec'ed.
  • + 2
 it has magnetic properties and puts me right off
  • + 1
 A half inch discrepancy between claimed wheelbase and actual is alot. If I was a buyer on the edge of sizing picky about geometry I'd be unhappy. Any idea where this discrepancy came from? was the fork set at a longer travel?
  • + 1
 sorry for the year late reply, was just doing some research into the geometry on these: I believe what PB have here is a V4.2 and the V4 geometry chart. The V4.2 is closer to 47” wheelbase (the easiest measurement to take). They simply took all the other measurements wrong. The V4.2 is ~10mm longer in reach than the V4 i.e nearly half an inch
  • + 5
 and it fits a water bottle..
  • + 1
 That derailleur makes me cringe- might make it one run in Keystone, maybe, without getting ripped off. I'm sure replacements are super cheap, right? I make do with a 1 x 9 with 10-32 and 34T so I can keep my Saint short cage, never gets smacked and although I don't climb all day I make it up everything I need to. And I've had 4 knee surgeries. With 1 x 12 you should be able to literally go straight up a wall.
  • + 1
 "the 2017 Meta AM V4.2 Race Eagle 650B is not pasted tip to toe with super parts and mega-carbon, and it doesn't have a suspension configured to challenge the scientific community. Instead, Commencal gave its most important trail bike two simple weapons with which to slay its rivals: awesome performance and an affordable MSRP."

Soooo a more intelligent suspension design doesn't give bikes awesome performance or allow them to slay rivals? Well f*ck... Back to hardtails I guess.... They have the least intelligent rear triangle, can come with long travel forks and are even more affordable...
  • + 3
 Good review! Really highlights the bike's pros and cons without sticking too much to the boring template or chewed up bike terms.
  • + 3
 Wtf is so hard to about posting a geometry image with addiquate resolution to actually read?!?
  • + 1
 Actually 3999 is regular website price. I have contacted Commencal and they told me that this is standard online sale not connected to preordering bike. At least in EU webstore.
  • + 2
 The prices are way off of what Commencals actual price says on there website compared to this article. They are like $400 - $500 cheaper from Commencals website.
  • + 0
 @sontator actually i did read that part. my question about brake jack was directed more at people that already own the meta. because its not like the reviewers word is the be all and end all of opinions. if you find my question unbelieveable maybe you need to stop being so sensitive. turning a simple innocent question into smug sarcastic replies.is this what the mtb community is about?
  • + 2
 You seem rather sensitive. No ok, sorry for the smug joke but your question was so terse it read very lazy, thus.
  • + 0
 Comparing this to my dream bike (www.pinkbike.com/news/norco-range-c-7-2-review-2015.html) it is only 2 pounds heavier but $1000 less. And it has a very very similar spec list.... hmmmm I may be considering the Meta now...
  • + 2
 1kg=1k in general, so the pricing on the Norco is okay I think Smile
  • + 4
 If its good enough for Cecil...
  • + 3
 It's a tough decision between this and a Radon Swoop
www.pinkbike.com/news/radon-swoop-170-9-1x11-review-2016.html
  • + 0
 @actually i did read that part. my question about brake jack was directed more at people that already own the meta. because its not like the reviewers word is the be all and end all of opinions. if you find my question unbelieveable maybe you need to stop bein so sensitive. turning a simple innocent question into smug sarcastic replies.is this what the mtb community is about?
  • + 1
 I think they're wrong about 170mm cranks. I used to have a Kona that came with 170mm cranks and I hated those things. Rest of the bike was awesome, though.
  • + 1
 Did you guys get a chance to ride the Meta TR V4.2 at all? If so, how does it compare to the AM? Any review coming on it at all?
  • + 1
 Not a whole lot of info about climbing. Seems like all the bikes coming out nowadays just want to descend and all their editors say is how capable they are going down hill
  • + 2
 To whom it may concern: this is how it's done. And yes, it is possible to get a beast for 4-5K less.
  • + 2
 Great, my 2012 XL 160mm bike has a shorter reach than this bike.
  • - 1
 In cars after 6gear, everything went to automatic...now were seeing 8-9-10gear. Honestly I'm I the only only that hates manually going through all 10-11 gears on a bike? Now 12?
  • + 5
 It's still a lot fewer gears than what a 3x or 2x setup would have.
  • + 1
 alloy for the win.... spec will look good on my eBay page when I put it up for sale..
  • + 2
 Threaded bottom bracket and 29er version please....
  • + 1
 Commencal used to outsource their wheels to Novatec. I think they have made a different build here.
  • + 2
 Is that $2600 for a complete with the cheap spec? If so, that's a steal.
  • + 1
 Yeah.
  • + 1
 Those house brand Ride Alpha saddles are the least comfortable saddles in existence.
  • + 1
 Nah man, while I mostly agree the Alpha saddle is pretty bad. It's nothing compared to the SDG ifly.
  • + 2
 Race Eagle, is that like Enduro with wings?
  • + 1
 "You wouldn't put 175 millimeter cranks on a 20-inch kids bike."

I ran 180mm profile's for years on my T1 Barcode!
  • + 2
 Did I just become a fan of that frame?
  • + 1
 With a lyric 170 it better go exactly where you point it.
  • + 1
 No Idler Pulley no care.
@COMMENCALbicycles
  • + 1
 Seems strange when companies use different designs for their DH and AM designs.
  • + 1
 Hmmmm...anyone wanna buy a Mega 290 :-P
  • + 1
 All black pretty good for a bike.
  • + 1
 Price is in Euros not dollars
  • + 15
 I think actually the price is in Enduros.
  • + 1
 @topherdagopher: So epic brah!
  • + 1
 Sycamore Canyon? TW? Great photos, Luca!
  • + 1
 @scrippsranchdj was that Ted's? I miss Ted.
  • + 1
 kind of reminds me of the trek session
  • + 1
 2012 TR Covert 26, had since new. Still going strong and rocking the PNW.
  • + 0
 will a rockshox vivid r2c coil fit?
  • - 1
 Review lost cred b/c reviewer rides crank bros
  • - 2
 Looks like you're stuck with an air shock only
  • + 2
 The article says otherwise. Also, here is a coil on the V4.2.

enduro-mtb.com/en/pro-bike-check-cecile-ravanels-commencal-meta-v4-2
  • + 0
 @spaztwelve: that picture of the deluxe can sure doesn't look like there's space for a coil. Is Cecile's custom shaved or something? Maybe a super tight thin coil?
  • + 2
 @chrisingrassia: good question. Don't know, but they are saying that you can fit any shock.
  • - 2
 I like spending $10,000+ on my bikes.
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  • - 2
 this article is in serious need of copy editing
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