First Look: The 2020 Commencal Furious is Bike Park & Freeride Friendly

Oct 17, 2019
by Mike Kazimer  
2020 Commencal Furious

With Rampage on the horizon, it's that time of year when freeride bikes get to shine. Commencal have updated the Furious for the occasion, refining the bike's geometry and frame stiffness to ensure it remains an attractive option for all the bike park riders and big mountain senders out there. Don't worry, it still has 200mm of travel and 27.5” wheels, the frame is still aluminum, and the prices are still reasonable.

There are three models in the lineup, with prices ranging from $2,999 USD to $4,799 USD.
Commencal Furious Details

• Wheelsize: 27.5"
• 6069 aluminum frame
• Travel: 200mm
• 435mm chainstays
• 64-degree head angle
• Price: $2,999 - $4,799 USD
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2020 Commencal Furious
A brace has been added between the seatstays to increase the frame stiffness.

What's Different About the Frame?

The least visible change to the Furious' frame has to do with the aluminum itself – the bike is now constructed from 6069 aluminum, which Commencal says has a longer life expectancy than the 6061 alloy that was used before. A brace has been added between the seatstays in order to bump up the rear end stiffness, since too much rear end flex isn't a desirable attribute on a bike that's almost guaranteed to experience its fair share of sideways landings.

Commencal have also added the ability to change the mounting point of the rocker link. There are two positions, sensitive and responsive, that can be used to adapt the bike to an air or coil shock, or to suit a rider's preference. No, the sensitive setting won't help you get in touch with all those feelings you've been ignoring; instead, it's designed to provide more grip and traction for DH-style riding. The responsive setting is designed for the bike park, with more support for popping off the lip of jumps and stomping landings.

2020 Commencal Furious
The Furious' leverage curve can be changed by moving the rocker link into a different position.

The internal cable routing found on the previous version remains, but the entry ports now serve double duty, thanks to the addition of silicon memory foam fork bumpers that keep the fork from smacking into the frame. Keeping the bike quiet was high on Commencal's priority list, and they've included the ribbed chainstay protector that was first used on their downhill bikes. Downtube protection is also in place to prevent frame damage from flying debris or aggressive shuttling.


2020 Commencal Furious
A downtube protector has been added to prevent shuttle scuffs.
2020 Commencal Furious
The Furious is air- or coil-shock compatible


Geometry
2020 Commencal Furious

The Furious' reach numbers have increased dramatically – a size large now has reach measurement of 490mm, compared to 455mm on the previous version. The numbers run from 440mm on a size small up to 510mm on the XL, which should accommodate a wide range of rider heights.

In addition to increasing the front center lengths, Commencal lopped 5mm off the chainstays, which now measure 435mm.



Build Kits

2020 Commencal Furious
Commencal Furious Race

Furious Race: RockShox Boxxer Ultimate fork, Super Deluxe Ultimate shock, Code RSC brakes, X01 / GX drivetrain, Schwalbe Magic Mary tires. $4,799 USD.


2020 Commencal Furious
Commencal Furious Essential

Furious Essential: Fox 40 Performance Elite fork, Float X2 Performance shock, SRAM Code R brakes, GX drivetrain, Maxxis Assegai tires. $3,899 USD.

2020 Commencal Furious
Commencal Furious Ride

Furious Ride: RockShox Boxxer Select fork, Super Deluxe Select shock, SRAM Guide RE brakes, GX drivetrain, Maxxis Highroller II tires. $2,999 USD.


Furious frame only: Shock sold separately. $1,299 USD.

2020 Commencal Furious
DJ Brandt, looking right at home on the new Furious.



205 Comments

  • 60 0
 I'm lost at what size bike I should be riding now.
  • 7 2
 yeah mate! agree
rich is so loooong. Large - 490, Medium - 465...it's a longer than my Tues L size (450)
  • 25 6
 Longer
  • 4 4
 Yeah...I think for a lot of people, the bike size labels have just changed. If you were on a large before...well now you a medium. Enjoy the new sick bike. Its nice to have larger sizing for those that want it tho. Only downside is that you cant always just demo the medium and then try the large.
  • 13 2
 I find steeper seat tube angles are being undervalued in the longer bikes’ reach calculation. So, on a pedally bike, for much of the day the new longer reach is offset by the new forward saddle position, so the change is less noticeable. On DH bikes pedal position obviously doesn’t apply so it’s more a case of stability vs. agilty rather than a comfort question.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: But why?
  • 6 0
 Kyle Strait rides these so I think they're sized for him... not often that I wouldn't need the biggest size of a bike
  • 4 1
 @src248: i think when Kyle seat on any bike - reach is changing
  • 4 8
flag johnbalz (Oct 17, 2019 at 16:06) (Below Threshold)
 I've always looked at the effective top-tube length as to me, that seems to be a more accurate representation of what the "reach" on the bike is. Since "reach" is subject to the seat tube angle isn't it almost a worthless number? I used to always look at reach and was confused as to why sometimes the numbers didn't correspond to what I was "feeling" and have always picked based on T specs now. Am I wrong or missing something?
  • 7 0
 @johnbalz: reach is not subject to the seat tube angle but rather a vertical line from the BB
  • 6 1
 I used to ride medium now I'm a needing a small?
  • 4 1
 @johnbalz: Exactly the opposite of what you're thinking. ETT is effected by seat tube angle. That's why it was a worthless number. You might see vastly different ETT between two bikes with different seat tube angle, but you would compensate by slamming your seat forward or back to get your position correct relative to the BB. Reach is always relative to the BB bracket, so you can actually truly compare the sizing between bikes (mostly, because reach is influence somewhat by stack, but not a huge amount, not enough to throw you off a size.)
  • 8 1
 Man...companies are really starting to alienate small people. I don't WANT a bike with a reach at 440mm.
  • 6 0
 @TucsonDon: @johnbalz

a big part of reach being a huge factor in mountain bike fit is the fact that a lot of trail riding is done standing on the pedals, not seated. reach defines how "attack position" feels on a bike

ETT still does affect how seated pedaling position feels.

For example, a bike with a very long ETT but very slack STA might feel short once in attack position, or once you slam the saddle forwards on the rails to try to get a better pedaling position.
But ETT still is a good indicator of how a bike's saddle to bar fit will be if you look at other numbers in conjunction.

So really, you're both right in part.
  • 3 1
 I haven't bought a mountain bike in years and was expecting to have to size down with all the talk of long reaches. I demoed 5 bikes from 3 different brands and in every case I for sure wanted to be on a large, and possibly even an XL and I'm only 5'10". I'm sure that if we were to measure from the middle of the seat to the grips, the distance would be about the same as it was 10 years ago. You def just demo the bike and just go with what feels right.
  • 1 0
 @TucsonDon: I'm thinking bikes that are more built to accommodate the uphill will care more about seat tube angle. Bikes that are more about the downhill will shape things for more travel and staying out of the way. Makes sense, right? Because a pedal-friendly bike, even something enduro, would not want the balance to be too far behind the rear wheel as you raise the seat.

I do wish that more companies kept the seat tube shorter on the larger frames. It's very annoying that many companies add a couple inches or more of length to the seat tube. This is based on the assumption that taller people might ride their seat higher when pedaling, stressing the tube more.

SO, thank you Commencal for keeping it the same across all sizes! I honestly have been out of the loop for a few years now but maybe more companies are conscious of this? Let me know if you know something.

But most will not and I wish some disclaimer could be mentioned about seat height as opposed to just this 2 or 3 inches nobody wants on the downhill.
  • 1 3
 @Twowheelsjunkie: Yes, but if the seat angle is steeper, the effective length that your body has to "reach" across to the bars is shorter.

The front end becomes longer, stems are short, the steeper seat tube moves the rider's position forward, placing the weight distribution between the wheels more central.
  • 1 0
 Ewwwww seatstay pivots!!!! Budget gets me brake jacked up ooooow!
  • 3 2
 @jorgeposada: it bothers only people who brake all the time... and even if... it’s quite far down the list of their problems
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: You would know better than me, bet on that .
  • 3 0
 @mnorris122: yeah my 2015 bronson has 448mm reach and its size XL lol.. 440mm for small is a bit ridiculous
  • 1 0
 According to Commencals website these number posted in this article are completely incorrect
  • 49 0
 Constructed from 6069 alu.... Nice
  • 13 0
 T420 temper from what I heard.
  • 43 1
 It's weird that I just went from an XL to a Medium.
  • 8 14
flag FuzzyL (Oct 17, 2019 at 11:57) (Below Threshold)
 Why would you? If XL fit you before, it will fit you now.
  • 9 1
 @FuzzyL: The previous XL reach was 470. The new Medium reach is 465.
  • 8 8
 @chriskneeland: Who cares? Just as every other measure reach alone doesn‘t say it all, to me none of that new crop of bikes feels nearly as long as the reach numbers suggest. I think almost everybody can stick with the same size.
  • 9 5
 @FuzzyL: On a DH/FR bike, reach is possibly the only measurement that matters. If you think you can stick with the same size (medium to medium) with a 15mm reach difference, then you obviously don't ride bikes.
  • 4 1
 @chriskneeland: I think he is implying that bikes have been short for ages so going up in reach by a few cm isn't going to be a deal breaker.
  • 6 7
 @SintraFreeride: If reach didn't matter, then there would just be one bike size.
  • 3 0
 @FuzzyL: It could be we have been riding cramped bikes for so long that every few mm gained was noticeable but now bikes are in the proper size range & body positions are good 10-15mm here or there doesnt make a huge difference
  • 5 4
 @zyoungson: 10-15mm of reach makes an enormous difference on handling and balance. Position and weight distribution changes dramatically with 10mm of adjustment. 3-5mm you probably wouldn't notice, but once you go longer than that ride dynamics start to change.
  • 7 0
 i went from a medium pole to an xl nomad, and the nomad is 30mm shorter, felt like a bmx when i got on it hah
  • 6 1
 I went from 406mm reach to 470 reach in the past years all on medium sized bikes, and I've yet to find the need to downsize.
  • 4 0
 @chriskneeland: the wheels are now bigger and further apart then a 26" bike, so weighting them will be different. people adapt to it in a couple rides.

if 15mm reach is a deal breaker then how did anyone survive on old school bikes?
  • 3 3
 @chriskneeland: If weight distribution changes „dramatically“ due to a 10mm difference in reach you are doing something wrong.
  • 1 0
 @FuzzyL: Funny you say that. I just watched a GMBN video after I posted that talking about the same thing. Starts at 4:40 www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oK7G9VG4tM&t=847s

Having just sized up the same frame this year from a L to an XL, I can assure you 10-15mm of reach, stack, bar width, etc...all make a difference in body position and bike handling.
  • 3 3
 @chriskneeland: Sure all these factors make a difference, especially when combined. But changing one of these variables by 10mm will never have an impact that can be described as dramatic.

The point is mute anyway, since we are talking different generations of bikes here, and a lot more has changed, than only the reach.

I‘d bet halt the World Cup riders wouldn‘t be able to tell a 10mm difference in reach in a blind test, and I don‘t think more than a very few hobby riders will be able to do so.

Having a little moto background I‘m always somewhat amused by this kind of discussion, where people complain about „their“ frame size being changed by a few millimeters, when on a motorbike it is perfectly normal for riders of all heights to ride a bike with exactly the same measurements (a few tweaks to handlebars and footrests aside).
  • 4 1
 @FuzzyL: "I‘d bet halt the World Cup riders wouldn‘t be able to tell a 10mm difference in reach in a blind test"

Haha tell that Minnar when he wants half a click of adjustment from his fox guy...

1cm in reach is a lot. 465mm Reach for a Medium bike is far from a playful bike.


Just because all dirtbikes are the same size does not mean its good. Its a loss of efficiency and there can only be one reason for it: cost!
  • 2 0
 @Chridel: Playfulness is not dictated by reach alone. A bike with a long reach and short chainstays can still feel really playful.
  • 2 0
 @Chridel: And Minaar definitely belongs to the other halfWink
  • 3 3
 @FuzzyL: I can tell the difference between 5mm of bar rise, 5mm of stem length, 10mm of reach, and 1psi of tire pressure, each by themself. If you can't, you're not very in tune with your bike. There's a reason all these options exist.
  • 4 1
 @chriskneeland: You‘re joking, right? If someone isn‘t able to tell a 1 psi difference in tire pressure, they‘re not in tune with their bike? Too bad that there is not a single measuring device, not to mention a pump, on the market that allows you to control tire pressure that precisely - which wouldn‘t matter anyway since the pressure difference between beginning and end of a single run on a DH course can already be more than that. Just curious, do you set your desired pressure for the first or the second half of your run?Wink
  • 2 3
 @FuzzyL: You've never heard of a digital tire gauge? I use one every time I ride. I highly recommend it.
  • 1 1
 @FuzzyL: Tweaking the bars and footrests on a moto is changing the reach but on bicycles you need a different frame size.
  • 2 0
 @chriskneeland: "On a DH/FR bike, reach is possibly the only measurement that matters."

Reach doesn't mean much without a stack measurement along with it.
  • 1 2
 @dingus: Very true, but in this bike's case, the HT length is 15mm shorter, meaning the stack is 15mm lower, making the reach even more pronounced than the new numbers suggest.
  • 1 0
 @dingus: "Reach doesn't mean much without a stack measurement along with it."
Slow Clap! ????In the words of Pythagoras, "What about the hypotenuse, my dude?"
I'm all about that diagonal life.
  • 2 0
 @littleskull99: I‘m not arguing against having different frame sizes, nor do I say, that a larger reach than what we were used to is generally good for everybody (but actually I think for a lot of people it is). With the moto comparison I just wanted to point out that it‘s kind of funny, when people complain about a 10mm difference in reach on a MTB, while I‘ve seen guys who are over 2m tall fold themselves over the same MX bike that another guy who’s 50cm shorter rides, with all the resulting difference in weight distribution etc. and none of them complaining at all (and both going really fast).
  • 1 0
 @2hellUride43: The hypotenuse should be at the same angle as the average gradient of the trail you are about to ride. This is an often overlooked aspect of bike fitting.
  • 28 2
 Wont ever buy a commencal after cracking mine.. stock bike, the rear triangle would impact the seat-tube when i bottomed out. the same bike cracked at the top-tube. Contacted commencal and they offered to send me a new front triangle at a cost that was more than what they where selling the same frame for on sale at the time..
  • 14 1
 Totally unacceptable. It’s amazing what some bike manufacturers try to get away with. Thank you for sharing.
  • 3 0
 Curious what frame it was?
  • 6 0
 I’d be furious!
  • 3 0
 Time to book www.bike.fail and make manufacturers accountable for their failures!
  • 1 0
 Good to hear about, I am buying a DH bike this year, the furious WAS on my list...until now.
  • 2 0
 @l8igz: it was the meta 4x
  • 19 0
 Have they fixed the cracking problem in the headtube after every few months of park riding
  • 5 0
 The change of frame material from 6061 aluminum to 6069 aluminum would have a big impact on the frame strength. I'm inclined to say this frame will crack significantly less.
  • 11 0
 @rfrench: lol significantly less cracking
  • 19 2
 Has the new aluminium fixed the top tube and head tube cracking problem, as they would crack within the year if you rode them regularly?
  • 16 23
flag takeiteasyridehard (Oct 17, 2019 at 9:51) (Below Threshold)
 You must case a lot of jumps
  • 26 7
 @takeiteasyridehard: Why would the effect top tube/ head tube? learn to ride bro.
And good to see another industry kissass, riding in bike park for season I know of so many people who have had them crack in exact same location after a few months of riding and it not good enough for how much you pay for bikes. Why is there this culture in the bike industry of blaming the rider who is paying upwards to 5 grand for a bike, No the companies need to fix there problems and make better quality products.
  • 7 3
 @deco1: Cheap / light / strong. It's not light nor strong, it sounds like Commencal is only successful at cheap.
  • 4 1
 @deco1: It really depends where you're cracking it. On the weld? Cold weld. In the HAZ zone far from the joint? Torch is in there too long welding the joint. Minimizing the HAZ zone, not having a cold weld, and good shielding are the recipes for success. If it's anything outside of that it's a material issue. Or, too much force is being sent through the area and it's failing in ultimate. You can't just say that they have a "cracking" problem and blanket the issue. Would love to know all the information I just listed for the "many people you know" that have cracked them. I'm sure they were all JRA...
  • 3 3
 @krashDH85: I have personally had it happen to me twice as well and a couple of people I have known as well as you can see it from regulars in the bike park, One day there riding a fairly new Commencal furious frame then the next week there riding some second hand older frame, obviously due to it cracking.

It always cracks in the same spot, on the weld where the top tube meets the head tube.
  • 6 5
 @deco1: ''obviously due to it cracking''. That sounds like you are just assuming something that happened to you and someone else you know has or will happen to absolutely every owner of one. Which is kinda ridiculous really.

Also, someone basically disagreeing with you doesn't make them an ''industry kiss-ass''.
  • 4 4
 @mgolder: Dude it’s been a known problem on Commencal’s for years, I just assumed everyone knew about it.

It’s not just 2 people mate, I have literally known of 5 myself. Also why would you go from a couple month old frame to a second hand 2-3 year old frame unless it has cracked?
  • 13 1
 Nowadays 490mm reach for a size large is a playful bike HAHAH
  • 36 2
 A barge is more playful
  • 1 1
 My previous bike was a size too small, and honestly, I had more fun on it than any bike I’ve ever ridden. I didn’t always keep up with the bros, and they said I looked like “a monkey humping a football,” but I could put that bike wherever I wanted it, at any speed.
  • 21 0
 @skelldify: ...except the speed of the 'bros', apparently.
  • 7 0
 did anybody noticed that the first pic actually has a 40 performance elite.. and the spec details bike has a BLACK factory 40??? if you zooooom into the pic, you can see the kashima coat logo bellow the crown in th BLACK stanchions :o that´s pretty crazy
  • 1 0
 That's really weird... It's specced with elite, not factory. It was probably photoshopped badly.
  • 2 0
 @Angu58: maybe.. commecal website has the same black factory with black kashima coat logo www.commencal-store.com/furious-essential-fox-c2x29153398
  • 5 0
 You'll also notice on the Race model the lowers are from the Boxxer 29 and photoshopped on poorly - if you look carefully you'll see two rebound adjusters.
  • 1 0
 @NickB01: yep! i can see it, it is a black boxxer behind it.. maybe that´s how they make all those pics Frown
  • 11 2
 As an owner of a first gen, I'm absolutly furious about these new aesthetics
  • 3 2
 It's ok, I still have a mk1 :/
  • 6 0
 On the US Commencal site you cannot get the frame-only in all the colors that are available on the EU Commencal site. The Black n Gold looks pretty cool in a JPS kind of way.
  • 3 2
 meh. The curved seat tube look, imo, has always been not great and kills the aesthetic flow of any bike.
  • 3 2
 @NorCalNomad: Yeah, pretty fugly!
  • 4 0
 Dear other bike Manuf....this is how you make a color scheme. The Commencal who do the designs (maybe not the engineering) are so damn good at making nice bikes. The British Meta. The raw one. The Clash. And certainly that raw supreme. All works of art.
  • 3 0
 They designed it so the cracked frame fits right in.
  • 6 2
 With the Geo numbers it has and the majority of people wanting a 1 bike stable more and more. Why not make this bike 180mm rear travel with some builds coming with a single crown fork option and a 200mm dual crown option as well?
I mean the frame design could very easily accommodated a dropper post and you don't even need to go crazy on seat angle just hit a perfect middle zone where it's not trail bike steep but not DH slack.


And with shorter travel maybe could make it have a flip chip that allows you to run either wheel size.
If you ain't gonna make fancy platic bikes why not take the money saved on tooling for carbon layup molds and charge a bit more for a very modular bike platform?
  • 5 1
 Welcome to the Geometron G1
  • 4 1
 Welcome to the Commencal Supreme SX. Still have one and love it. Too bad it was discontinued!
  • 1 0
 @robotdave: Yeah and when it gets boring which I doubt just add a 29er push coil fork to spice things up!
  • 8 1
 Here we have a DH bike. Dual crown fork and 200mm of travel. Here’s an idea! We will decrease the travel to 160, put a single crown on it, leaving you undergunned with such geo, but thanks to that we can say it climbs like a XC bike and descends like a DH bike. That’s more or less the concept behind Pole and Geometron. Makes so much sense. NOT
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Pole and Geometron have +160mm bikes as well.
  • 1 0
 @TheBearDen you mean have an open seat tube and the seatpost poking out the bottom ready to nail the shock like the old days
  • 1 0
 Well no... I figured it was obvious that when I stated changing the seat angle that it implied changing the overall design to accomodate a dropper. But I mean if you wanna go back in design time to those days go for it lol...
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: what are you on about?
  • 2 0
 @TheBearDen: i'm putting the kettle on, he's off on one about climbing and descending again. Razz
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: You appear to be forgetting that Commencal made that bike 10+ years ago - the Supreme 160...
  • 1 0
 @TheBearDen: How does 'frame design could easily accomodate a dropper" imply 'changing the overall frame design to accomodate a dropper'? I must be illiterate..
  • 4 1
 @mattwragg: mini-DH was big back then. People were calling Nomad an aggressive XC bike. And today people say Nomad is pretty much a DH bike worthy only of likes of Sam Hill. Geoff Kabush said that about Yeti SB150.. So somehow DH bikes are this thing allowed only on World Cup DH level and only in Val Di Sole and Andorra. Ehy? Cuz XC frames with enduro and DH parts are the shit. A flashback to 2004. Kids were grabbing their dads old XC bikes, putting big fork on them, DH tyres and running to the woods to ride skinnies and megadrops, then race amateur category in DH on the weekend. It’s just that today folks get these things with better suspension, geos more aggressive than DH bikes of that Era to ride chicken lines and want a medal every-time they hit the main line.
  • 4 0
 the clash.. pretty much a 160 peddely furious
  • 9 2
 Doesn't really look like a Tues...
  • 7 1
 that blue with the fox suspension is....WOW
  • 5 0
 Clean AF looking! Definitely appealing on the eyes.
  • 3 0
 Happy to see the added seat stay gusset! Been hoping it would be added in an update ever since I saw Kyle Straits rampage bike with one. I Love my furious but always thought it could be a little stiffer in the rear.
  • 2 0
 Reading these comments. "I know more about bikes than Commencal." The team that has top WC and enduro results (when their riders are healthy). No worries everyone, there's a reason that all you chumps are being recruited as engineers...
  • 6 1
 490mm reach on a large is insane.
  • 5 0
 Not really. That puts the L spot on for a rider at the top end of 5 feet and the XL topping out about perfect for a 6'5 rider like myself... Besides it's a dh bike, if you wanna size down you just buy a smaller size to get the tighter reach you're after... looks like stack and chainstay are the same across all the frame sizes.
  • 3 1
 Is it the reach that is the problem or the resulting Cadillac Wheelbase? (I know they are related). I might get along with that reach, but damn the wheelbase is getting insane.
  • 2 1
 @Svinyard: Yes to both? Lol.
  • 3 2
 @CONomad: I guess that falls into personal preference then, I'm 6' with long arms and 490mm is at least 10mm too long for me, even with a 40mm stem. And I wouldn't want to go any shorter with the stem on that geometry.
  • 4 11
flag m33pm33p (Oct 17, 2019 at 10:26) (Below Threshold)
 Agreed. I'm 6'4" and ride 470mm with a 50mm stem. Perfect length, anything more is just a stupid boat for noobs.
  • 1 0
 Not really. My large has a 510mm reach. So this bike is more like a medium ;ºP
  • 2 0
 @SintraFreeride: You ride a Pole, don't you... Smile
  • 2 0
 @pnwpedal: i've heard he'll dance round it if you pay him.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: We need to pay for these bikes one way or another!
  • 3 1
 @tobiusmaximum: Pay him? Vegans are more likely to dance around telling you about their lifestyle choices than Pole riders.
  • 1 0
 @m33pm33p: i'm your height and my present bike is almost exactly the same length as yours. i'm selling it. not because i'm new to this, been riding 30 years. but if you have a look at the photo below and check out the landing part, his ass never goes past the rear axle, which imagine feels hugely stable.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/17870677

which is not the case for you and i, on our old fashioned sized bikes. my ass goes out to the end of the wheel sometimes! it ends up being harder work staying 'over' the bike in a lot of situations. i realise the benefit is that its 'playful' and whips through tight berms etc. so i guess you have to just decide where you want your compromise.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: lolpass. Marketed as a freeride park bike.. long isnt better for that.. I grew up riding a sub 400mm reach Balfa bb7.

The trend to wider bars and longer bikes is for stability, not handling.
  • 2 0
 @pnwpedal: What gave it away Wink
  • 4 1
 I’m glad the title notes that the bike is “bike park and free ride friendly” because I saw the duel come fork and I almost mistaken it for an XC trail bike.
  • 4 0
 First time I have ever see a revamped bike INCREASE the HTA. Previously 63.5 now 64. Interesting...
  • 2 0
 You don't need as slack of an HTA for park laps and freeride, getting really slack is for racing IMO
  • 1 0
 that´s insane! i thought we were on a longer, lower and sLacker era! even my trail bike has 63.5 degrees
  • 3 0
 @jorge269: “trail bike”.
  • 1 0
 @skelldify: it has 140 rear travel and front 160mm, so i think it must be a trail bike LOL, you can take a look at it in my profile, it´s the yellow one
  • 3 0
 If this is anything like the Meta I just bought, they'll update the geo chart a week after delivery with with 20mm shorter reach and a 2 deg slacker seat tube. (No joke)
  • 2 0
 The geo chart of the 2019 furious was wrong as well. It used to say 470mm reach for the xl. Commencal changed it to 485mm after I mailed them about it in april. So don’t trust the numbers too much.
  • 1 0
 Why'd they put 440mm chainstays on the thing in the first place? Does it really take entire production trial and error runs to put a bike squarely in the appropriate niche? The 490 sounds ludicrous to me, but I haven't been on it, so it's down to armchair quarterbacking on that.

If it were me, i'd have made it exactly as-is except the size L would be 470mm reach with a +/- 5 or 10mm reach adjust....
At 490, sounds like a red bull rampage bike.... not everyone at the park will want that much length.
  • 1 0
 I own a 2018 size large. With factory up front air in the rear. I am 6 feet tall 155 lbs. I love it. It's super stable on big jumps. Playful and fast in quick berms. When we go smash out the natural stuff i never feel like I want a dh race rig. So far very happy.
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 @mikekazimer The geometry numbers Commencal has on thier website are much different. 455 reach for large. I believe it was 440 previously. Also pics of bikes are mixed up and possibly pricing. This would make some pretty substantial changes to the article.
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 Are you sure you're looking at the 2020 models? www.commencalusa.com/furious-race-boxxer-red-2020-c2x29872003
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 I'm no engineer but the way that rear brake mounts looks to me like it would be a weak spot or poss flex.
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 What's weird is they also show two different brake mounts i.e. post and IS
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 Love seeing Guide RE brakes on builds these days. They are truly an amazing brake!
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 The size Small has the same reach my 2011 Santa Cruz V10.4 in size Extra Large... we've come a loooong way.
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 Freeride bikes traditionally were pedal-able, they have the ability to stick a long seat post in pedalup the hill then drop it amd get real gnarly coming down. So it’s either a park or dh bike.
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 Why does the essential spec sound like the best option... Oh yeah, who cares about x0 over nx in a bikepark when zee can last the same and do the same job
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 The only novelty that I expect from commencal is a 5 year warranty on all parts of the frame. The cherry on the cake would be that this guarantee is transferable in case of resale.
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 No one does a transferable warranty
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 @CycloGoss: Not many do.. but Liteville and, I think, Bird Cycleworks are two examples that offer a transferable warranty on their frames.
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 @CycloGoss:

Bird bikes in the UK does.
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 @CycloGoss: YT Industries, Nicolai
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 @ratm54: better check the YT warranty conditions. It doesn’t transfer
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 Mike that first pic is beautiful.
Free ride? Yes please.
Aluminum yes please.
1300$ for the frame. Are you serious! Holy f.ck that's less than the cost of a carbon fiber wheel set!
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 yeah but thats 2k by the time you've put a decent shock on it, right?
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 Imagine if someone made a frame around this price that was able to fit all the older, but great performing shocks we all have on our current bikes. A linkage plate that also fits a 241x76 would be sick. Weld a 1.5 straight head tube on it while you're at it so we can slacken or reach-adjust the headset
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 @andrew9: it's not a trunion mount. No special mount needed. Plenty of shocks fit. I'm guessing it's about 2 and 3/4 inch stroke( old school lingo) As long as the rear end does not hit the front it's all good.
6069 heat treated Al is much stronger than 6061
Flip chip for plush or more solid for jump trails.
Much to like about this frame.
Imagine if Fox made a single crown 38 mill beast of a fork . With a 20 mil thru axle.Smile
Then the 1.5 head tube really pays off.
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 @Sshredder: While many shocks would probably fit, if I fitted a 241x76 shock instead of the 250x75, the 9mm difference becomes 24mm at the rear wheel. BB would probably be like 15mm lower?
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 @andrew9: you are looking at total shock length. The stroke is only one mm. difference.
Travel essentially stays the same with a drop in BB hight.
Personally I prefer low BB as I rely on pedal position greatly when riding.
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 It's interesting that they don't put idlers on these bikes. I guess big landings while freeriding is technically not a square bump impact so no need for the rearward axle path.
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 The render of that X2 on the Essential build is making my eyes hurt
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 Wasn't the Furious the freeride bike for Commencal anyways? I figured the Supreme was the race bike.
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 Will be perfect if with a TOTEM
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 Why leave the gap in protection on the downtube? Just have it run the whole length. other than that great looking bike, except the comically large X2
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 never ridden a DH bike myself, but this frame is pure bike porn. Clean lines. Nothing extraneous, gawdy, or otherwise visibly gimmicky on these bikes. Kudos
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 @rideitall-bmx-dh-road-unicycle trade yours in for this one!
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 ooooh. maybe! prices are decent
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 Good point, the Float X2 already looks furious...

(Is that a special version? it looks out of scale here!)
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 Ah. They added the brace on the rear triangle. Nice. Bike looks like a lot of fun.
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 Bumpers are a nice addition for when in reality I turn my bars in the air, but thinking that I'm throwing a cool whip...
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 Why are these 'direct to market' bikes so much more expensive than the Canyon equivalent!
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 another Tuesday. man if anything come out with a Friday, everyone likes Fridays
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 I wonder how the frame would go with the 26" wheels and fox 40's off my Supreme fr1 on it???? I'd love to try.
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 A BB height of -7 mm is gonna cause some problems...
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 Great for ploughing fields.
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 150MM cranks are the new deal.
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 Got my eye on one of these for next year.
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 So they made it less balanced? Awesome.
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 Hope it is not too heavy. Any numbers about that?
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 Oval wheels, really?
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 Looks like it was designed 5 years ago.
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 Take my money!!
  • 1 1
 Looks like a Tues took some diet pills.
  • 1 1
 Basically an yt tues in aluminium but cooler than yt
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 Super size super people
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 Looks like a Tues...oh geez I see about everyone noticed that...
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 Cracking bike but probably pressfit bb? Im out.
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 and no space for the bottle cage... *face palm*
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 Have a press fit on my supreme V3 for 3 years now, nothing wrong with it
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 @Vandermouten: How much does a water bottle mount *really* matter for a DH/Park bike? You can easily get water before you get back into the lift line.
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 Got excited looking at the prices.... realized its USD...
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 What were you expecting to pay?? Seems pretty reasonable to me, especially for a top end build. An Alu session is 5800 can so pretty comparable.
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 @VPS13:

$5200 Canadian for an elite equipped bike.. yt tues exact same spec.. $4200 canadian... rippff ville
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 @m33pm33p: Not everyone wants to have a dealer direct bike, one of the reasons I bought a SC was to have access to a strong lifetime warranty and quick return on frame and wheels. If you think its a ripoff then don't buy one, simple decision for you right?
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 @VPS13: except commencal is dealer direct unless you live near sqaumish
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 Frame only option ?
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 get a bit scroll-happy?
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 490 reach and 435 chain stays, well done morons.
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 Username checks out.
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 @slumgullion: a subtle gem in the bottom of the feed.
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 $1100 more for the frame than the exact same spec yt tues... pathetic.
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 clarify please.. i've read that like 6 times and i'm not sure what you're actually saying. there is no spec on a 'frame' and if you mean frame only then the Yt is somehow $199? lost.
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 @tobiusmaximum: my bad meant $1000 more for a complete fox elite build than a yt.. so their frame is worth an extra $1000?
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 @m33pm33p: ah i get ya. hold on, you can get a Tues with fox elite for under 3k??
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 @tobiusmaximum:

$4000 canadian pesos, so just under 3k usd.
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 No space for water bottle while I'm slapping park laps? paaassss
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 Looks like a YT...
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 I have a Capra and a Tues - there is definitely a resemblance. I love it.
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 Looks like a Tues
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