Commencal Reveals World Champs Bikes for Myriam Nicole, Thibaut Daprela, Greg Williamson, & More

 Exactly.

 dear god, dont try and use your platform to help promote equality! what will we do!?

 That statement is political.

 I fixed your statement for you:
politics I don't like must stay out from sport, or just go to russia or china.

 so you saying racism is ok??
since when promoting racist organisations is allowed by uci?

 I get all mine from paranoid people whose biggest concern in life is being able to own fewer firearms that they don't need in the first place.

 Glad I'm not one of the only ones thinking that.

 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist

The raised fist, or the clenched fist, is a universal symbol of solidarity and support.[1] It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance.

but yeah, everyone that doesn't vote for Trump is a commie, right? not even the basics of history, guys....

 @Bruccio: What happens when you couple the other slogans with the fist? BLM are utilizing some of the same chants displayed on the bikes. You got no clue. Nothing to do with who you support over here politically, unless you're far left then it may be in line...Smh.

 @Bruccio: The same way everyone who votes Trump is a racist/ sexist etc.? That kind of thinking is so one-dimensional. It's fine to encourage fairness and solidarity, it's entirely different to demand it, threaten others to acquiesce to their interpretation of it and obtain it by force. Movements like BLM are the ones following in the harrowing footprints of the worst regimes of our history. Or maybe it doesn't it at all strike you as strange that fairness, personal freedom and equality for all requires tyranny to realize?

 Go watch full metal jacket.

 It says "no justice no peace"

 Some receive or intend the "no justice no peace" message as a threat to withhold peace, and that certainly would clash with a peace symbol. But there is a deeper meaning that "peace" achieved without justice isn't truly peace for the mistreated, it is just a quiet continuation of the old injustice.

 @PAmtbiker: i was thinking the helmet...born to kill, and a peace symbol. Not saying i'm affiliated to the contradiction. In fact i'm just thankfull I never earned a thousand yard stare. Am thankful to the guys who have.

 Ya exactly, how did that work out for the NBA. Politics are bad for business.

 @ReeferSouthrland: Careful... any intolerance of the woke slogans on these bikes will not be tolerated. Because "we" want to be tolerant of everyone. My respectful critique of the frame art was quickly "moderated." I fear this thread is next.

 These bikes are super woke!

 @tclaridge: Maybe they should change their name to ‘Redbike’.

 Unfortunately the 'BLM inc.' Isnt too well known outside of US. Now, there isnt 'blm' written on there but that hand is very similar to the one blm uses if not mistaken. Hopefully commencal isn't that naive.

 Chill snowflake, they're only pushing a message of love and peace.

 Save it for a reactionary safe space. Reasonable people understand that expressing BLM means showing solidarity in the struggle against systemic racism and that black people should be treated as full-on citizens rather than second class citizens as it often appears to be the case. The fact is we all stand to benefit from black people being allowed to reach their true potential. Black Lives Matter to me!

 @Jmorgue: Except the reactionary response to percieved systematic racism is actual systematic racism, in the form of affirmative action, gender/ ethnicity quotas and reduced time served for serious crime (not to be confused with sentenced time served).
When you stop conflating opposition to BLM with racism, and instead understand BLM as an organisation don't really support the communities they claim to, then the criticism is justified.
Also "as it often appears to be the case" is not often the actual case.

 Black people can blame themselves for not realizing their own potential. And I’m black. @Jmorgue:

 Human rights are always in style, and should be welcomed.

 @bicyclelifestyle: I certainly agree, 100%. My contention is that some of these "social justice" organizations (BLM) are not guided by the pure principles they claim to espouse. Some are Trojan horses and should be regarded with healthy skepticism so that actual human rights can be defended and celebrated.

 @bicyclelifestyle: At any rate, we're here because we love downhill racing and, I assume, we also love humans. I think we can agree on that.

 10000% agree. haven’t watched a single NBA game since all this phony “social justice” nonsense has started.

 Yeah so is law and order. @bicyclelifestyle:

 Yep, completely agree. Just be prepared to get bombarded by negativity for it.

 @bicyclelifestyle: of course, but you missed the point. Blm is not a human rights advocacy group.

 Yeah, too woke for me. It sucks when you mix bikes with politics.

 @bchampig: which line exactly do you think is inherently political?

Love
No justice no peace
Racism is a pandemic
Unity
Be strong speak out
Respect
Stand up for change

 @dallenchaney: Four out of eight that you listed. Shouldn't be hard to figure out which ones. Lots of presumptions.

 Agreed, racing should stay maximally abstracted from all that crap.

 @dallenchaney: The fist on the bike is a symbol that reps a certain group.

 @flipdaddy5: oh you mean the group fighting for equality and an end to racial discrimination? Sounds like a worthy cause.

 @oldfaith: Oh, that's what they are doing, gotcha. Nevermind the billions of dollars of property damage, that's okay then.

 @flipdaddy5: A person's life and a broken shop window, yeah they are definitely the same...... Jesus Christ.

 @richdigital: You're oblivious to this issue. You have no clue what they are about, that is obvious. Wow.

 @bchampig: racism is a universal problem, not necessarily a policial one. It's only political because so many of your politicians are racist, and their appeal for a part of your population is based on that racism.

not saying we don't have the same problem, but I think I can say it's less pronounced and not as socially acceptable here as it is in the US

 @Upduro: Very true, but one of these is supported and likely funded by one of the political sides. Point is, to rep that group on their bikes is not a smart move. That group next to a peace sign is contradictory and ironical. They should stay out of politics.

 @flipdaddy5: pfft whateva

 @flipdaddy5: The current administration would have you believe that everything should be viewed in absolutes: Something is either 100% right or 100% wrong. This is something that both sides of the house are constantly pushing (right and left). However the reality is that there is nuance to this issue, and many of the others we currently face. We cannot let the actions of some people be representative of the entire community. This goes both ways. A single police officer's bad judgement should not tarnish the respect or reputation of the thousands of other officers that are doing a great job. The looters and rioters should not overshadow those who are capable of peaceful protest. I support the police, I believe black lives matter. Both can be true even if its harder to wrap your head around. Some Trump supporters are racist, but its not fair to give all Trump supporters that label. Some liberals are insanely sensitive, but not all of them are.
Does that make sense? I really wish we could all be more tolerant of each other honestly. The concept of freedom is not possible without tolerance for one another's differences.

What sucks is that starkly contrasting op-eds get more clicks on the internet then stories about people getting along...

 Why isn’t following the law and not fighting with police on there? How about respect of other people’s property? Let’s add don’t loot and riot too @dallenchaney:

 @rallyimprezive: The vast majority of us believe that, I agree. Do I believe everyone matters and should be/are equal, yep, absolutely 100%. However saying that that group is only for equal justice and wanting equal rights; that they and their supporters have not utilized violence and committed a TON of property and violent crimes from arson, theft, assault and even murder; and whomever believes that they are legit and doing things for only a good cause has their head in the sand. Why should it be okay for innocent people to be victims of their crimes?

 @flipdaddy5: Im happy to hear that we can find some common ground, thanks for the reply. I hope you can re-read my message and see that I am NOT giving my unequivocal support to the BLM and the riots, looting, or any other unlawful actions that have taken place. I am frequently discouraged when I read the news. It is not ok for innocent people to become victims. I believe in equal rights, equal justice, equal opportunity, etc. I wish there was a better, peaceful solution to all of this, where we can actually come together and seek solutions. However, it seems that no one in our government is capable of doing that. The fighting between dems and reps at every turn is perpetuating the notion that contentious, hate filled, and sometimes childish outbursts (I include many dems in that) is the only way to handle difficult situations. They are setting a bad example.

Edit: If you havent figured it out, im pretty much pissed at everyone in government right now (Trump, Hillary, Pelosi, Stone, McConnel, Biden,etc) I dont care what label they have.

 @rallyimprezive: Agree. The onslaught of negative responses toward my initial comment is ridiculous. My opinion was that Commencal may be better to stay out of supporting any group like this or any other that is heavily politically motivated and their causes likely funded, who has shown to be violent and not peacefully demonstrate to get said points across. Your correct, unfortunately it has become very ugly and I can't see a peaceful end in sight.

 @flipdaddy5: Yes. I'll admit that I side stepped the specific comment about Commencal's decision to include those decals. Im not sure how I feel about it. I am all about love, respect, equality..but not all about the negative crap that somehow seems to follow..

I'd honed on your comment: "Oh, that's what they are doing, gotcha. Nevermind the billions of dollars of property damage, that's okay then."
'Cause no, its not okay (i know you were being sarcastic). So I decided to speak up about my frustration that any good things people might be trying to accomplish is ruined by all of the other shit.

Edit: Isnt it interesting that through our conversation, we've learned more about each other and come to a better understanding of what each of us believe? If we'd stuck to one-liner insults we wouldn't have had the good dialogue.

 @rallyimprezive: Yes, very sarcastic. It's not just the property crimes and massive amount of damage, but the violent crimes and assaults all the way to murder. The destruction of people's lives and businesses. They have also continued all of this during a worldwide pandemic where so many are already suffering financially. Not to mention their aim isn't really to change the way policing occurs in some jurisdictions, but they truly want to abolish law and order. My argument is simply that I wouldn't have gone that route if I was Commencal.

 @flipdaddy5: Sounds like we are in agreement. Hopefully others will read our discussion and take away some new perspective.

And dont get me started about the pandemic, lol.

 @rallyimprezive @flipdaddy5 y'all got me all misty the way you just managed to agree on something there. +Props for both of ya!

"What sucks is that starkly contrasting op-eds get more clicks on the internet then stories about people getting along..."

It doesn't just suck... its the way that social media platforms were built, grown, proliferated, in the name of 'engagement'. And now it has translated to how people think. Completely exhausting.

 @oldfaith: do some research on who BLM is. (As in, whom runs it). Fyi, majority of blacks here in us are anti BLM.

 @jrocksdh: to add, who runs it and the funding if we wanna go down that rabbit hole.

 @dallenchaney:
No problem with any of the sentiments except "No Justice No Peace".
Peaceful protest, absolutely. But when you say no justice, no peace; does that not encourage violence? Justice is subjective, peace should be universal.