Commencal Unveils 2021 Meta AM 29

Jun 22, 2020
by COMMENCAL bicycles  



PRESS RELEASE: Commencal

The switch to a 29-inch wheeled META from 2019 onwards has enabled a significant improvement in performance. For 2021, we're taking advantage of the experience and knowledge of our EWS riders and numerous tests, to make it even more effective against the clock!


2021 Commencal Meta AM

With faster-than-ever speed to deal with, we decided to alter the geometry. Lengthened for stability, equipped with a 40mm stem, a short fork offset (42/44mm) and a slacker head angle. This means handling is not impeded and the bike feels like it has a good sense of direction. The seat angle is straightened and the offset is reduced for optimised uphill positioning regardless of whether in the saddle or on the pedals. The new Meta AM 29 will, therefore, delight riders eager for performance and those who like to give it all regardless of the difficulty of the trail before them!

2021 Commencal Meta AM

2021 Commencal Meta AM

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The kinematics have been redesigned to enable a bike that is both more dynamic and more comfortable during suspension travel. This results in less rider-leg fatigue and essentially the ability to ride the bike optimally towards the end of long race stages. Thanks to 170mm travel on the front and 160mm on the back, this Meta AM is an enduro platform designed above all, to go fast for extended periods of time. The stiffness of the frame is always the subject of much attention.

The use of double-row Enduro Bearings allows a more homogeneous deformation of the frame without the loss of stiffness via the bearings. Aesthetically, the frame has evolved in depth. It's very simple, everything is new. Notably, the sharper lines highlight improved performance.

2021 Commencal Meta AM

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2021 Commencal Meta AM
Geometry :
-The new META AM 29 is longer: 495mm reach (size large) vs 460mm on the old META AM 29
-The seat angle is straighter: 78.5° vs 76.5°
- Slacker head angle: 63.6° vs 65.5°
-Short fork offset

Optimised kinematics:
-More vitality
-Less leg fatigue

Travel
-160mm rear
-170mm fork

2021 Commencal Meta AM
Finish:
-Better cable routing
-Easier bottle cage installation

Shape:
-Easy assembly and disassembly of the contact system
-Stiffer and more reliable double-row Enduro Bearings
-More of a compact rear triangle for less interference with rider's heels and calves
-Lower seat tube:
1) Makes it possible to mount a telescopic seat post with large travel (34.9mm diameter)
2) Maximum insertion length

Completely renewed look!


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373 Comments

  • 614 4
 At this rate, by the time the Grim Donut video comes out, its geometry is going to seem dated.
  • 39 0
 I was thinking the same thing. but then again, they really need to take their time testing it so that we all keep checking pinkbike 50+ times a day
  • 57 80
flag NorCalNomad (Jun 22, 2020 at 9:27) (Below Threshold)
 Kinda nutty to see DH bike head angles on this thing. I'm certainly no EWS racer, but having ridden other EWS winning bikes I can say without a doubt that this bike will be trash on switchbacks, up and down. Other than that it definitely will feel fast everywhere else.
  • 51 4
 @NorCalNomad: yeah just like the Privateer, Raaw or new Speci I wonder if these things are actually faster on a downhill track than a real EWS stage... pretty much all completely natural trails I've ridden in Europe are at least in some points tight and make you want a poppy nimble bike. Maybe the sweet spot is more like a Sentinel/Sb150/Reign or something...
  • 18 19
 @NorCalNomad: The geometry is approaching Pole/Nicolai numbers. It will be great everywhere!
  • 41 22
 @SintraFreeride: Go ahead and drink the koolaid but long slack bikes suck in tight switchbacks. I absolutely loved riding a Pivot Firebird 29 but even with a, relatively upright in comparison, 65º HA that still sucked in switchbacks.
  • 5 2
 @jzPV: The Raaw is really not that radical. It’s basically on par with sb150 geo. 64.5 HTA, 480 reach in large. This is a monster truck comparatively.
  • 26 3
 @jzPV: I just want poppy and nimble.
  • 31 0
 @jzPV:

For what its worth, the new Sentinel has a 63.6 degree HTA, longer chainstays, and a longer overall wheelbase for each size than the Meta AM. Not sure I'd I'd expect it to be any better in the tight stuff.

It does seem like this year everyone is gravitating towards ~63-64 degree HTA's, reaches of ~485-495mm and wheelbases approaching 1300mm (in size Large) on their longer travel bikes.

The new Norco Sight, the updated sentinel, the Raaw Madonna, Banshee Titan, Privateer 161, GG Gnarvana, this new Meta AM... they're all pretty darn close in measurements. I really want to demo one of these at some point, just to see if I am on board with the changes.

I think I will love them though. I grew up riding dirt bikes, and mountain bikes have always felt twitchy and unstable to me. So longer wheelbases/chainstays, and slacker HTA's just "feel right" to me.
  • 33 5
 @NorCalNomad: Lol. I HAVE a Pole and can confirm it is awesome everywhere! Switchbacks are not a problem when you ride in the middle of the bike.
  • 30 0
 Grim what? Already forgot...
  • 19 2
 @NorCalNomad: longer bikes ride differently, it's not that they aren't agile or nimble but need a different approach. I ride a privateer p4 and it's more agile than many old school medium sized bikes I rode on the same trails. It does however need to drop the hang on the back and get loose attitude, but commit and push through the bars in neutral or more forward body placement and that's it
  • 8 2
 @NorCalNomad: My SJ Evo is 63.5 HTA and while it does take a bit more input, it handles switchbacks no problem. The long wheelbase and more centered position helps keep the the front down and rear from spinning out on steeper switchbacks and your more balanced. I think it handles them better than my 130mm 27.5 bike.
  • 17 3
 @SintraFreeride: except the chainstays. When will companies start making CS length proportional to FC length.
  • 23 4
 @NorCalNomad: rode a SB150, zero problems with switchbacks, maybe you should get better at them!?
  • 1 0
 @adespotoskyli: Yep, you got it right.
  • 9 0
 @NorCalNomad: I just cleared this 160 degree turn into ledges on my sb150. I've tried it many times on other bikes and couldn't get it. That extra 2 inches of wheelbase really makes no difference after you adjust to the bike (which may take a few months). There is also this aspect to long slack bikes that they tend to be really stable in standstill maneuvers. I hear what you're saying, but I can't see going back to a bike with a 67 degree HA and sub 1200mm wb.
  • 5 4
 @rzicc: Sure it´s mostly people who need to ride with both wheels on the ground that complain about long bikes. In that case I would take it as added motivation to learn front pivot technique and maybe even crack a slide from time to time if trail allows. Only time when long likes are worse than short bikes is when they physically doesn´t fit between rocks/trees which is 1/10000 cases.
  • 14 1
 How come that nobody commented on super short chainstays?
I like the bike but I wonder if it'll be too handfull for a mediocre rider like myself. I'm sure that elite riders will enjoy themselves but I could do without being scared that my front wheel will wash out every time I don't shift my weight enough forward
  • 8 4
 @pakleni: I lost my faith in commencal when it comes to chainstays long ago. Well, when they shortened them on 2020 furious lol. They just don´t get it what balanced means, at least so it seems.
  • 2 0
 @jzPV: fwiw I find the Madonna more lively and nimble than the (comparatively small) Norco Range I was riding previous. Thing feels like a 160mm dirt jumper on rough tracks and I can't get my head around it. I don't understand this black magic...
  • 2 0
 @shlotch: you just have to test all these bikes on proper terrain... which isn't going to happen unfortunately. The RAAW isn't crazy long, but reviews said it's pretty squishy when it comes to kinematics so maybe with the X2 and a soft setup it does not want to get out of line that easily. One thing is for sure, choosing a bike and it's size is pretty damn hard nowadays...
  • 14 7
 @rzicc: Knew someone would try to say "get gud" about my switchback skills. The trails I grew up on had hundreds of switchbacks that were tighter and more numerous than almost all of the ones on the front range. I can ride and hop around switchbacks on everything from a xc race bike to a dual crown dh bike. Just because I can do it doesn't mean that the bike is good for them.
  • 10 0
 The grim donut was fake news and everyone bought it hook, line and sinker.
  • 2 1
 @rzicc:

#nosemanual #euroturn
  • 1 0
 @pakleni: it got a short fork offset too
  • 5 0
 @adespotoskyli: I am also on a Privateer P4 - I ride mostly tight as f*ck, super steep Tweed Valley trails in Scotland. No problems at all getting it to go around stuff. If anything I find it easier than the short bikes I used to ride. Go figure...
  • 7 3
 @NorCalNomad: Go read the Nico interview from a few days ago. Another rider who’s saying long, slack bikes are good for novices but restrictive to better riders.
  • 1 0
 @pongtoe:

I'm Privateer 161 curious, mind if I bug you with a question?

How tall are you, and how does the P4 fit you?

I'm in the official "grey area" for sizing between the P3 and P4, at ~186cm, so I'm curious about your thoughts on it.
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: Nicolaï does
  • 5 0
 @thenotoriousmic: The only point it switches bacl is for the top EWS guys (and I mean the top 10 or so) who are doubling into rock gardens that other pro racers are tip toeing through. Then a big bike is your friend.

But yeah generally speaking a smaller bike will be quicker through direction changes and a better rider can make up for the lack of extra stability with skill
  • 2 4
 @NorCalNomad: u just need to learn to stoppie around them
  • 3 0
 @fartymarty: no doubt. This current trend of long reach, short chain stay is like buying the 200cm fat powder skis and mounting them a foot behind center. I dig the new technology, but wake me up when the front center/ rear center are balanced and ALL high end bikes come with size appropriate rear ends. Even Pole with their CNC bikes where everyone could be a one-off uses a single rear end across all sizes.
  • 4 0
 @jzPV:
I have that setup on an XL Madonna V2. It is very stable at speed. It’s a bit of a problem because I can feel comfortable riding at speeds that I don’t have the skill to handle.
  • 2 0
 @fartymarty: some do. Norco, forbidden (maybe it was all Beckett's doing)
  • 2 3
 @NorCalNomad: great reply man! For me, you win. I don't like this bike at all, it's like a vegan HAMburger for me. It will be forgotten before the new model (2022 in September?) looks just like XX bikes, has poor colours, no taste in graphics, no style.
I guess I'll be stuck on my Voltages until something bad happens.
  • 2 0
 @ocnlogan: I'm 1.85 and ride a p4 with a 60mm stem. With that steep st and short eff tt it's more comfy on the wrists on flatish trails. Gives a bit more room and less pressure on the hands. If you are not intimidated by the overall size of it go p4
  • 1 0
 @pongtoe: it's not that my trails are steep and tight but there are a few switchbacks that are a pain to handle, I got around them better than expected and quite easy and safer than on any other bike I rode down there. It may be the fact that I don't feel cramped and trying to balance between two closely spaced contact points, bars and bb and front/rear end
  • 2 0
 @shlotch: totally agree - it’s a playful bike yet stable at the time, clever Geo and suspension design.
  • 1 0
 @geometrygeeksbob: I love your site! The xl Mets is still smaller and shorter than my 2017 g13 geometron. Which is awesome everywhere. I’m better on the g13 in switch backs than any other bike I’ve ridden ????
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: There are some but they are still the minority. One day it will happen
  • 1 0
 @etga6657: Yeah and they make proper good bikes.
  • 2 0
 @NorCalNomad: I'd agree, I went up a size on the last bike I bought because I started to believe that's the way bike geo was moving. It has a lower BB than the previous model and a slacker frontend, longer wheelbase cos of the size and it was noticeably harder to turn quickly.
The advantage seem to be it's very confident on the downhill rough stuff, very nice in the air off of bigger features, but it's much harder work in the turns, there's more pedal strike and I see the difference in speed with fellow riders on smaller bikes.
I love the bike but I've come to the conclusion I bought something 'too big' for the trails I ride here in the UK, despite the frame size being correct for my height according to the sizing chart.
I ride BMX quite a bit for commuting and social and that does influence how I feel on a bigger bike and I still have a lot of fun on it but next time I'm bike shopping I would aim for something that felt livelier.
  • 1 0
 @pakleni: they’re 435mm. That’s pretty much perfect in my book they’ve even sorted the seat stay length. I wonder if they’ve sorted their customer service though?
  • 3 3
 @thenotoriousmic: Yeah let´s cherry pick what suits you argument (you didn´t even do that properly, you are aware he is saying he always wants head angles below 63.5 right). He even mentioned that on e bike he doesn´t need more stability because of much increased mass low down on the bike but why mention that here lol.. To make it even better, lets compare yourself to one of the greatest if not the greatest racer ever who was winning world champs before you even rode a bike. Sweet logic.
  • 1 2
 @thenotoriousmic: 435mm is perfect for size small maybe.
  • 3 0
 @Mondbiker: I’m not comparing myself to anyone just adding Nico to the long list of top riders who have rejected long bikes due to poor handling. Also I can’t say for certain but I don’t think Nico is much older than I am but whatever.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic:

I think Nico's words are good food for thought. Not everyone's on board w/ LLS but the almighty demo is the way to go even though ultimately it just comes down to personal preference and type of terrain/riding the rider prefers. That's it. For those that like traditional geo for a mid travel trail bike you can always size down or pick up a Trek or Specialized. If anyone's griping about longer travel bikes getting too big I can see that as an issue for some.

I just graduated from a 1215 wheelbase to 1260+. No problemo. Best fit of any bike I've owned. Long is also a relative term. I'm 6'1" (1.85m) on an XL and the bike isn't long or short, it just fkn fits really well with the steeper sta and more generous tt/reach and the slackage helps tame the gnar. It handles the opposite of poorly. And I can't imagine the Commencal enduro team didn't ask for the changes above.

It's interesting though that the new Switchblade was 'only' 66deg up front. Matt Walker, an inch shorter than me, is on a medium switchblade (I would ride an XL) with it's offensive sub 1200mm wheelbase. That obviously works for him. It would be a cool analysis to see pro rider heights and the size bikes they choose. If most riders are sizing down then that might say something.
  • 2 0
 @ocnlogan: Im 198cm and weigh 95/96kg. Fits well. I run a 50mm stem. I also have a Pole Tavial HT with 530 reach. If I could make a wish I would like to have and extra 20mm in reach and top tube for the Privateer - a P5! With the 50mm stem I got the reach to just 5mm less that my Pole. So super happy with it. Yep, you are right on the fence! I would be tempted to go for the P4 and get a stubby stem, You can always slam the saddle forward. It is a super compact bike.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: Eddie Masters is 180cm and rides a medium Firebird. That has not the steepest STA and a long top tube though...Rude is also on a medium SB150 but his size is always stated between 178 and 182cm so nobody knows. Graves is 178 and advocates for sizing down while riding a medium (corresponding to Yeti's sizing chart though).
I don't know of any of the front runners on the EWS sizing up or having unusually long bikes and 170mm+ travel F/R...
Bike companies should invest more in demo days, especially in Europe. It's stupidly difficult to demo anything exotic from across the pond or even demo anything on proper trails.
  • 1 0
 @jzPV:

Yeah those guys have to turn a bike on a dime at mach chicken... and on unfamiliar trails. So that makes sense that they lean towards agility when it comes to overall length. I'm only going mach pigeon and on familiar trails so can turn a balanced 1260 wb bike just fine.

So what's Cody going to ride this year, an overforked stumpjumper or the enduro? I'm excited to see him race on his new team.

Here in the western U.S. there are a handful of bike festivals throughout the year that have a good variety of brands showing up for demos. You have mountains and resort towns in Europe, no? Do you guys not have festivals and demo events? I guess they'd probably be dominated by your local brands as the Pivots and Yetis of the world don't want to fund a European fleet.
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: Yeah that is the only downside to the geo on this Meta. Show have come with at least 445mm if not 450mm.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: He also said he hasn't tried really long bikes with long chainstays...
  • 1 0
 @WasatchEnduro: actually Pivot is the only exotic manufacturer I know of who has a demo fleet and demo events in Germany. I you want a YT, Speci or Trek you have good chances at events. But almost no bike shop here has Santa Cruz, Ibis or Yeti completes in stock an surely not multiple bikes in different sizes. People who buy these brands mostly build them up themselves over here.
  • 1 0
 @adespotoskyli: Hi mate, this is interesting, I'm 184cm and wondered if I'd bitten off more than I could chew by orderding the P4 161, so I'm interested to see you've put a 60mm stem on it? Gives me a bit of confidence in my choice!
  • 1 0
 @GrandMasterOrge: have you ridden one or a bike that long before?
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Nope, never ridden one before, there wasn't many 161s out in the wild when I placed my order.
  • 2 0
 It rides like a charm, and surprisingly it's much more playful and agile than my xl jeffsy it replaced, climbs better and on the downs is a rocket ship! @GrandMasterOrge:
  • 1 0
 @adespotoskyli: as it happens mine is also replacing an xl Jeffsy.

Did you notice an enormous difference in bike sizing when you swapped? Did it take a bit of time to adjust or just on it and comfortable?
  • 1 0
 Immediately better, from the get go, I have about 2 months on it my downs are mostly after prolonged climbing and it's far better than the jeffsy in every aspect, even in flat trails it rides better except that it needs a bit more push to get up to speed when riding undulating trails, you have to constantly peddle to get up to speed and out of corners.@GrandMasterOrge:
  • 191 13
 Am I the only one that still wants 27.5 enduro and trail bikes still? They all seem to be going 29. Genuine question, just wondering if I'm a minority or if anyone else prefers 27.5 aswell and the potential next bike choice is getting smaller and smaller.
  • 40 1
 Nope, I'm right with you... I'm not big on the Rocky fast sections, I enjoy getting airtime and flicking my bike around. I'm also quite short, so 29 just doesn't work for me, 27.5 seems to do the job. I honestly prefer 26 (because of my size) but it's hard to find parts if the wheels break.
  • 18 44
flag viatch (Jun 22, 2020 at 9:10) (Below Threshold)
 then go look for a bike brand that sells a 27.5 "enduro" bike then lol. its like buying a new car, you like to shift it yourself for a more "engaging and flickable" feel, get a manual
  • 221 2
 Next week will be released our 2021 CLASH range. 27'' wheels, 180mm front, 165mm back. Perfect bike for jumps!
  • 28 1
 I’m with ya bendy, but we are probably a minority. 27.5 aluminum frame bikes with high-end components are sadly becoming very rare.
  • 3 0
 @COMMENCALbicycles: When are the DH bikes coming out?
  • 6 1
 @dexterfawkes: I think the problem is that racers want 29 so bike companies either need to make a second enduro model for 27.5 or make compromises designing a bike that will accept both wheel sizes.
  • 8 0
 I’m with you. Just bought a 27.5 Process 153. I tried to buy a 27.5 Commencal, but their leftovers were gone in XL.
  • 9 5
 @COMMENCALbicycles: but will it have a bottle mount?
  • 20 1
 Banshee has what you're looking for
  • 4 8
flag shredb4dead (Jun 22, 2020 at 9:33) (Below Threshold)
 @COMMENCALbicycles: Will the new Clash have new geo too?

What I really want is a Clash 29 aluminium 180/170mm for the bike park but a mullet with 165mm out back may have to do. My current Furious is fun but she’s a heavy girl. Everyone currently making a 170/170mm 29er is not offering an aluminum frame only option. Forcing people into carbon frame only pricing or full bike purchase is not cool. I’m looking at you Enduro, Slayer and Capra Pro Race.
  • 7 1
 Your dollar is your vote. 27.5 enduro (rear end) isn't going away as long as there are customers. If Commencal want to abandon the segment, others will continue to party in the rear......
  • 3 1
 I'm with you half way. Smile
I love my 27.5 wheeled trail bike (r: 130mm/f: 150mm) for all the poppy trails around me, but when I have to due some XC rides or races, I go for the 29er. No surprise, right? For the extremely chunky trails on my weekend rides, I grab my 29" Intense Carbine. Pure heaven on that thing.
  • 20 0
 I'm still on the 27.5 wagon, having ridden a few 29ers. Just bought a SC Bronson for this season. I like that SC are still committed to the smaller wheel size.
  • 6 0
 You’re not the only one mate
  • 16 0
 Still plenty of us. I just picked up a 2020 Patrol a couple months ago.
  • 1 3
 @COMMENCALbicycles: Hi guys, we have a 24" Clash with the ultra-nice Manitou suspension and near perfect geometry for groms. Will you guys be updating that Clash as well sometime soon? The only big issues are the insanely heavy stock wheels and heavy tires (perhaps acceptable if wheels were light) and the really long 155mm cranks that don't fit your recommended sized kid. We swapped both wheels and cranks out and the bike is nothing short of incredible. Without these alterations tho...its not to be recommended when YT's Primus 24" is there, with better spec (Duroc wheels) and cheaper.
  • 11 23
flag foespower (Jun 22, 2020 at 9:58) (Below Threshold)
 650b is kinda cute but the fact is people aren't buying them, it's not a conspiracy.
  • 16 0
 @BillT999: Everybody is looking for a Banshee, even if they don't know it!
  • 17 1
 I had a 27.5 Capra for 3 years and have had a 29 Capra for the last couple of years and I think I prefer the 27.5. I also rented a 27.5 DH bike and got on with it right away, I think 27.5 is for me as well.
  • 6 1
 Bronson? I've had mine for about 5 weeks and it's amazing for everything.
  • 4 0
 Nope, me to. That said, some great bikes in 27.5 from Bird, Ibis, Transition, SC recently.
  • 12 17
flag nurseben (Jun 22, 2020 at 10:07) (Below Threshold)
 No dude, you are spot on, 27.5 is way more fun and playful than a long travel plow.

I’ve been riding 29ers for thirty years. For bike packing and XC riding they work feat, but grow the travel and they become a plow.

I think it’s koolaid and the desire to be safe at speed, long travel 29ers are like a corvette, sleek and beautiful to look at, but good luck in the tight stuff.
  • 18 0
 @nurseben, what 29ers were you riding in 1990? There weren't even any 29" tires until 1999, and it's only in the last five years or so that 29ers have really come into their own as far as geometry goes.
  • 9 1
 @foespower: The only thing cute is you trying to diss 27.5 wheels lmao
  • 17 1
 @foespower:
I mean you're just wrong... I work in a bike shop and we're still selling plenty of 27.5 wheeled bikes.
  • 10 0
 Definitely not just you. I just bought a 27.5 Trek Remedy. Really enjoying the nimbleness in comparison to my previous 29er.
  • 12 0
 100% with you. Please, manufacturers, keep the "double standard". I don't want to be forced to choose between a 29" and a 29" next time I buy a bike.
  • 3 0
 @shredb4dead: I've been also looking forward for the new Clash, and giving it 29 170mm fork. The new Meta also looks great but after riding my buddies 27,5 I want some of that nimbleness too Big Grin
  • 18 1
 27.5 ain't dead
  • 6 15
flag eugenux (Jun 22, 2020 at 10:36) (Below Threshold)
 @nyhc00:
Probably it is. The only 650b wheel I will have in the future will be on my gravel bike. For mtb, the 29" wheel is just..well..better.
  • 3 0
 @schwaaa31: I have the 2018 version of this bike and LOVE IT !
  • 7 5
 @eugenux: let them crack on, it's like 26 inch dieing all over again. It's the same in Moto, every one chats shit about how good 2 strokes are then goes out and buys a 4 stroke because they are faster and easier to ride.
  • 4 0
 I tried a couple of 29ers and yeah they're fast but not fun as my 27.5! If you just want to go fast okay but I decided to go with the fun factor and stay with 27.... I have a 2020 knolly warden LT and it's perfect for me!!

I wanted a Meta AM 29 but didn't like the position when climbing (seat over the rear hub), otherwise it was a great bike but jumping and turning isn't as easy and fun as on my 27. The clash was really great, I was LOVING the position when climbing but a bit big and low for me... I hope to keep my bike a couple of years but anyway, if I change I think it will be for a 29er as I can see that they will slowly disappear....and the new AM will probably be good for me except that it is f*cking long! lol Anyway, still have a couple of years to think about that! lol
  • 4 1
 @eugenux: Do you even slam berms, bro?
  • 7 0
 @COMMENCALbicycles: Could you please consider having a threaded BB on that (CLASH)? I still don't get why you put Pressfit on your bikes when every time a manufacturer releases a bike with a TBB they get praise for it...
I know it might sound like nothing, but consider me as a next buyer if that's the case.
  • 6 2
 There seems to be plenty of people that prefer 27.5'' or 26'' bikes, but are pushed to buying 29'' because of the availability and cost
  • 4 8
flag eugenux (Jun 22, 2020 at 12:05) (Below Threshold)
 @foespower:
Exactly this!, perfect reference.

And for those who say that 29" wheels numb the ride...well, try less suspension. My nukeproof reactor with 130 travel(and 150mm fork) on black and red runs is a much more livelier ride and a more entertaining one than on my previous bike, witch was a GT Sanction. I'm having more fun and I am working on/with the bike more. The GT was also a big bike, long and slack(in my custom build) and wasn't particulary nimble.

The whole thing with nimbleness and agile handling is as much a geometry design as chosing between a wheel size or another, at least, in my opinion.
  • 4 1
 @foespower: aside from the fact that 2 strokes seem to be making a comeback?
  • 1 0
 @paulmadethis: I second that.
  • 4 0
 Nop! I prefer the 27.5 to.
  • 4 2
 I had a 29er Rumblefish back in the day, and a 29er Fuel after that, glad to be off that wheelsize for good. Never needed "moar rolllovr" with the 27.5's on my Patrol.
  • 8 1
 +1 for 27" enduro bikes. I'm 6'2" but still prefer small wheels. I'm not racing and just have more fun on 27. Heck I'm even reviving my old 26" rig just for kicks.
  • 10 1
 I have no desire to buy a 29er "Enduro" bike. 27.5 is perfect for trail riding, bike parks, and hitting jump lines at my local trails. I'm not racing these days and my one bike(2018 Patrol) does it all. I was hoping to see an updated Meta AM 27.5.
  • 4 1
 @COMMENCALbicycles: But the Clash is not a good trail/ enduro/overall bike. It's basically a DH/park bike
  • 2 2
 I think a lot people's complaints around 29er center around the geometry to a degree. They aren't all the same. At first with 29er's people freaked out about getting super nimble 29ers to retain some of the 27.5 fun. The Following was "bike of the decade" or whatever despite some significant geo flaws (too short and sucked going up hill with slack STA). Then there were a few 29ers that had some"contemporary" geo that was a nice mix of some extra length to fix general climbing position and balance the bikes while still being short enough to be pretty nimble. THEN everyone got a super boner about having the longest most stable 29er ever. To hell with fun and agility and poppyness etc etc. I think that's a flawed design for those who aren't riding double blacks in Squamish where stability might be king. The rest of us would be served by some coaching (not needing the crutch of bike length) and a less long of bike to increase the fun factor.
  • 1 2
 Ahem... pick a wheel size and.. stfu.
  • 4 1
 @nyhc00:

" 27.5 ain't dead"

So, we are finally there. I guess I'm just a Cro-Mag. My short future will involve cold dead fingers and prying.

Long travel 27.5 coil will never die!

P.S. F*ck a bottle cage.
  • 5 2
 @endlessblockades:

I have been voting with my dollars for the candidates supplying 26" frames, rims, tyres... since way back when. Still do, and happy with that. I can live with the situation.

It is not popular with the rest of the electorate though, who tend to be swayed by just good ol' "n+1", so,
here's to proportional representation.

@dexterfawkes: Have you thought about building / maintaining your own wheels? I'd strongly recommend doing so. It really isn't the black art some people like to make it out to be. And it means you can keep riding the bikes you like!
  • 3 0
 I also prefer 27.5"
  • 3 0
 @schwaaa31: Transition patrol friend!
  • 3 0
 @COMMENCALbicycles: so no more 27 meta?
  • 1 1
 Yeti sb165 is the only real option atm
  • 3 0
 @Riwajc: Slayer? Revel Rail? Stumpy Evo?
  • 2 0
 I predict a resurgence of bikes like these . Yeti and transition bringing sb140 and scout as "fun" bikes (as I'd that's not what we all want from our bikes ) as the fashion industry goes from flats to heels and back to flats again... remember that Richie wanted to ride the medium sb150 instead of the large folks.
  • 6 0
 It could be that mountain biking has become so popular lately. these long travel 29ers make short work of otherwise challenging terrain. Maybe it's a bit of a crutch to produce bikes that can gobble up the bumps and allow people to go very fast and get those thrills without having to pay the price of learning the skills
  • 3 2
 Will more people who want 27.5 be commenting here? Hard to say. I for one am taller, and would never ever go back to a smaller wheel size. They roll better, they turn just fine, I run light wheels, and I have no problem getting that bike to do absolutely whatever. I would only want an additional smaller wheeled bike for dirt jumps or the like. Would definitely go bigger.
  • 3 0
 I want a mullet bike. I absolutely love 29 but at 5'5" my ass was hitting the tire on steeps. A mullet would be perfect in my opinion. I believe specialized is currently testing a mullet 170mm frame.
  • 3 0
 @foespower: and now people are gravitating back to 2 strokes (more so in Enduro) now that good fuel injection is the norm and the "easier to ride" gap is now pretty much closed. besides 2 strokes will forever smell better.
  • 1 0
 @Riwajc: highly unlikely. Their enduro and trail bikes have been 29 for at least a couple of years, why go back? In respect of 27.5 bikes, I think they should build a shorter travel clash. With say 160 front and 140 rear. But what do I know!
  • 1 1
 I have a Scott Ransom and a Santa Cruz Chameleon. Both bikes can be ridden with 27.5 and 29 inch wheels. As a diehard “small wheel rider” I recently started experimenting with the big wheels out of curiosity and I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised...
  • 1 0
 @COMMENCALbicycles: Could it be that the CLASH will be with 29 wheel in front and 27.5 in the back? I like mullet bikes. And the new Status will be 29/27.5.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: change that to 150 rear and I would have bought one this spring
  • 1 0
 @COMMENCALbicycles: are you not going to continue the meta tr 29 sx?
  • 97 2
 Finally Deore / SLX builds in the low-end instead of SX / NX. I hope more companies follow this trend.
  • 3 0
 Agreed.
  • 15 0
 Thank god, saves me stripping it all off to put on ebay
  • 2 0
 Good to see for sure! Ibis also has an SLX build on the RipmoAF which looks very enticing.
  • 43 2
 Do higher spec models come with more vitality or is the vitality coefficient uniform across the line?
  • 15 0
 20% more vitality I reckon.
  • 7 1
 Without doubt, more expensive = more vitality. It's the French coefficient.
  • 31 1
 Don't worry. If you need even more vitality we will make a link that increases said vitality by at least 50%. Vitality is obtained through the solution that proves smoothness of the Navier-Stokes equations.
  • 9 0
 @CascadeComponents: My goodness.. Navier-stokes reference in a Pinkbike comment thread. Gold!
  • 1 2
 @VTTyeahyouknowme: calm down: not french.
  • 8 0
 @Jcmonty: Navier-Stoked? Wait until Reynolds do a number on the wheels. You will go from flow to turbulence!

Welcome to pinkbike puns, fluid dynamics edition...
  • 3 0
 I do not get why they did not provide any chart to illustrate this "vitality" thing. I would assume they are simply more progressive. Hope PB can address this with cats and lasers.
  • 2 1
 @fracasnoxteam: Ahhhhhhh, merde! J'forgot- Andorra. It's the 'Andorran' coefficient.
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: My guess is that the more correct translation of what they mean is 'liveliness'. And it would actually be pretty cool if @dan-roberts could do a piece on how commonly used terms in describing suspension dynamics ('active' , 'muted' , 'supportive' , etc) could be translated to suspension curve design and setup. Not that there's a 1 to 1 correspondence of course but I think the 'enginerding' on anti-squat went over many people's heads. Giving a bit of insight into how a bike's characteristic is linked to its design is necessary for the majority of readers I think. I literally have a Ph. D. in applied physics from an engineering school and still I get confused with all the interdependent variables on a full suss bike sometimes.
  • 1 0
 @ak-77: You and me both, and I'm lacking the PhD! But that's half the fun of chin scratching, tweaking and finding the right balance for the given bike or project.

I like the Enginerding article idea, or even just the feedback that we have a lot of terms thrown around, correctly and incorrectly, that might not be understood fully.
  • 1 0
 @dan-roberts: It's not so much about correct and incorrect. Reviews use subjective terms, and they should. They represent someone's opinion. And to most people these subjective terms actually mean something, while words like 'leverage ratio', 'oil viscosity' or 'instant center' are just abstract concepts to them. And that's fine, because riding a bike is about having fun.
But maybe there are people that wonder why their bike is 'poppy' and 'playful' , while their buddy's bike looks similar but feels much more 'stable' and 'planted'. Understanding that, or at least having a place where you could look up what you should change to your bike if you wanted it to be more 'efficient' or 'nimble' could be valuable.

The hardest part of this might be to figure out what people really mean by those terms though :-)
  • 34 3
 Bikes look great and geo is bang on.

That said what’s the hold up with RockShox and their new 38mm fork announcement? Picture on Commencal website is blurred out. Really RockShox? Just get on with it.
  • 5 35
flag downcountry (Jun 22, 2020 at 9:07) (Below Threshold)
 Should of went with Fox....
  • 5 0
 Commencal website says they will begin shipping on July 7th. So its possible we may find out before then. Not sure if thats all models or not, but it seems unlikely that they'll ship the ZEB spec'd models before they're released.
  • 1 0
 @ocnlogan: underrated comment
  • 2 3
 Just another unnecessary standard
  • 5 1
 @c-radicallis: hardly a standard since u can use it on most bikee
  • 3 1
 @Ooofff: It is a new standard for o-rings, seals, foam rings, uppers, lowers, air springs, cartridge, volume spacers, etc., basically all components of the fork, which were previously interchangeable between models (as long as you know what you're doing).
  • 1 0
 That's okay, not interested. A 36 is plenty for me and those 38s are heavy AF! That Meta looks super sick though!!! So glad they fixed the seat angle.
  • 1 1
 @c-radicallis: most of them were specific to a fork anyway so I doesn’t really make much of a difference anyway.
  • 1 0
 @Ooofff: Nope. Some components are specific to certain suspension travel ranges, but that's inevitable. Besides that it's all the same, unless you change stanchion diameter, then it's all different.
  • 32 1
 fox 38, dpx2, slx groupo for $3,500. Not bad
  • 6 1
 Not bad at all. Why would they show any of their bikes with Ohlins stuff after all the troubles Specialized had with Ohlins!
  • 3 2
 @truehipster: what troubles did specialized have with ohlins?
  • 2 0
 @truehipster: because perhaps ohlins have learnt from their mistakes? I have run a fair bit of their stuff and never had an issue
  • 5 0
 Just unfortunately it's 500€ more than last years with mostly unchanged spec. Commencal is getting more and more expensive each year. And 5,2k for a XT (ok Fox Factory) build is a lot compared to others.
  • 1 0
 @truehipster: might do some research about the history of Ohlins..lot of brands use a design they started..cough cough..Cane Creek, Fox, push....
  • 24 1
 Why on earth do they use a pressfit when they build alloy frames?
  • 18 8
 As opposed to pressing a smaller bearing into a cup and screwing that into the frame?
  • 10 4
 Wenn you have an aluminium tube the press fit standard is not going to give you any trouble. The only downside is that it's not user serviceable (unless you have special tools, of course).

Press fit is pain in the arse when you have a carbon bike and ridiculous tolerances
  • 5 5
 Cause it's prob a couple £ cheaper not to thread the shell. Beautiful bike but would I f*ck get a press fit again. Stupid creaky bullshit idea
  • 8 9
 Having a Bronson with a screwed threaded bb from factory. Wishing I had pressfit. With some tools it’s fine to maintain.
  • 2 1
 @pakleni: lol pressfit will still definitely give you trouble even on aluminum frames, my 2017 meta am v3 creaked to high heaven until i picked up a hope pressfit bb for it
  • 3 0
 @pakleni: Tolerance for aluminium frame can be bad too: concentricity, roundness or shear could be affected either by welding or machining.
Nicolai use the same machine to surface the frame and cut the treads on both side of the bottom bracket.
I am not sure this is the usual way to proceed.
  • 5 0
 @jclnv: exactly... had zero issues ever with pf bb
  • 3 3
 " Why on earth do they use a pressfit when they build alloy frames?"

Because they work and are less expensive for manufacturers to use.
  • 10 0
 PF works just fine and is standard in automotive and industrial applications. It only doesn't work in bikes when they screw up the manufacturing.
  • 2 0
 @boozed: Exactly.
  • 4 0
 I had the 2017 meta 4.2 for 2 years of Whistler riding with 0 issues out of a Shimano bb. Pressfit is all good when you don't ever need to touch it, my e13 bb on my Tues on the other hand can go to hell
  • 4 0
 @boozed: So you’re saying we’re buying expensive, badly built, products.
  • 1 0
 @jazzawil: My experience of press fit has also been mixed. Alloy/carbon is definitely a factor. I also think BB shell width plays a part:

If you have a narrow shell you have a bigger gap between the BB and the crank, seems to me that a bigger gap (with spacers) between crank arm and BB increases the leverage for the axle to apply lateral forces to the BB cups. So over time this moves the BB and wears it. If the BB cup is flush up to the crank arm this is less likely.

Just a theory, but it's consistent with my experience across 5 bikes with PF and a mix of alloy/carbon and shell width.
  • 6 5
 Downrated for liking pressfit. This forum is hilarious.
  • 4 0
 I have had Pressfit for the last 8 years on my main bike, never had a problem with it. The bike has ridden park, the desert, crossed the occasional creek, everything and not a single problem. I still have the spare i bought with the bike at my parents house, i thought i was going to use it someday, but i might sell the bike with the unboxed spare.
  • 2 1
 Y'all do know that Chris King makes PF30 bottom brackets, right?
  • 1 6
flag Narro2 (Jun 23, 2020 at 17:09) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades: no i dont and i honestly dont care.
  • 1 0
 @Narro2: Dafuq you trippin on? I'm on your side, foo.
  • 20 1
 In few years, I expect reach to be enough to fit 3rd wheel in the middle of the frame. The super mullet enduro bike with 61 HA, 26 rear wheel, 27,5 middle and 29 up front. 175 rear travel with 190 front.
  • 10 0
 Whats the travel of the middle wheels suspension?
  • 1 0
 So, basically, it will have a front, a middle and a rear triangle.
  • 1 0
 @Stokedonthis: maybe something adjustable like Talas so you can flip switches around "depending on the terrain you ride". Smile
  • 21 1
 Man I sure do love Commencal. They're some of the best looking (and affordable) high end aluminum bikes out there.
  • 43 6
 Unfortunately, their price/spec ratio is getting worse every year
  • 8 0
 have you seen the high polish frame only on the website? omg.
  • 9 0
 @Stokedonthis: Yes and that seems to be the trend for every company. The low end spec used to be NX, now we get SX at the same pricepoint (though these are spec'd with Shimano.) Funny how their 2020 frames are $1099 (w/o shock) and now the 2021 we're looking at $1399. The prices keep going up and up but we (the consumer) keeps buying. Supply and demand I guess....
  • 4 3
 The top of the line model is overpriced. Its still an alu frame, which generally is a great thing to have. A burly one as well, weighin in at around 15.7kg.. its not lighter than my YT Tues.. XT specced, great, but not for >5kEUR.
  • 7 0
 The Essential model rose in price from 3000 € to 3700 € in 3 years while keeping similar spec.
  • 2 0
 @TheJD: $500 USD from last years bike. Biggest change is the tires. Pandemic pricing is no joke...
  • 2 1
 Yeah especially for a dc brand they're not cheap at all. Sick looking bikes though, and I guess they work well since I keep seeing them a lot
  • 5 0
 Well, Lacondeguy don’t pay himself..
  • 4 0
 Agreed. Seems like more than a few manufacturers are taking the 'Santa Cruz' approach. Only a few years ago, it was possible to get Aluminum models with SLX or XT in the $2k-$3k range.

I suppose this just opens the door for other brands to fill the 'value' role as previous brands move towards establishing themselves as more legacy and less value driven.
  • 20 0
 This thing looks fast af
  • 9 6
 It makes me want to rip mo'
  • 2 0
 Of course, it says in the article:

"
Notably, the sharper lines highlight improved performance.
"
  • 4 0
 This is a good looking bike. I didnt really like the looks of the old meta. It was a very good and well made bike but i didnt like how it looked. This tho. This is a very good looking bike.
  • 21 6
 Lordy. Commencal, I'll be your English copywriter. Hit me up.

"More vitality." It's like Viagra for your riding!
  • 7 1
 More intensity. Close your face.
  • 4 0
 Having a good sense of direction is an important quality I think we'd all agree.And less homogeneous deformation is always good.
  • 11 0
 My personal favourite "Direction angle is more lying down" has already been changed to "slacker head angle" , keep up the good work
  • 1 0
 They spend all that time and money on the new bike development and then don't pay a 100 bucks for a copywriter?

Homogenous deformation?
  • 11 1
 Curious as to whether anyone who wants a 520mm reach also wants a 460 seat tube? I need a 520ish seat tube to bottom out a 200mm dropper and if this trend continues with some bikes having down to 430mm STs in XL people just a bit taller than me aren't going to be able to get their seat posts to minimum insertion.
  • 3 0
 Sweet bike though
  • 1 3
 I want a 520mm reach bike with a 420-440mm seat tube!
  • 2 2
 I doubt with 460 st ppl arent able to put a 210mm dropper high enough...
  • 3 1
 You must be one of the few that actually needs it. For me being average length legs and long torso at 6'3, these long seat tubes are a pain in the ass, literally. I know we all like to get full penetration - on our droppers of course - but if your 200mm dropper at minimum insertion is still as low or lower than other frames and is the height you need, does it really matter?
  • 2 0
 Idk about that but the 40mm seat tube jump from small to medium sure makes no sense
  • 3 0
 I feel you. Being 6'7, i have my 150 travel dropper with 440mm length right on the edge of minimum insertion with 500mm seat tube. This would be a so-so situation with the longest of current droppers...
  • 1 0
 @EnduroG: I am not personally that tall, but look at the reply right above this.
  • 2 0
 You are so right. As a very tall rider I can say that 500mm seattubes are not to long, even when you have a 210mm dropper. My Capra 29 XXL has a 490 ST and my 210 dropper is only one cm above minimum insert...
  • 2 0
 @getsomesy: XL rider here, my 210mm dropper is 15mm from the minimum insertion line on a seat tube that is 509mm long. Us XL riders need longer seat tubes.
  • 1 0
 @smuggly:
How tall are you, what crank length and do you pedal with flat feet or toes down?
  • 10 0
 It took me a while, probably today I'm a little slow; the reason for which we don't see a first test/review/etc is because all media received 'team editions', which have the new Zeb, which will be launched in maximum 2 weeks. You can't publish a test with a fork that does not exist, right?
  • 12 0
 Chainstays seems a tad short on the XL, otherwise thing is a monster.
  • 9 1
 !! Breaking news !! Geometry of 2022 bikes have leaked Reach for size L will be 510mm rummors say that for 2023, it could be get longer to 530mm
  • 7 1
 Pole have had an L with 510mm reach since 2016 Wink
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride: yeah and due to its steep seatangle it felt similar as my 445 reach bike with super slack seatangle. but i couldnt see the frontwheel on the pole because of the mega long wheelbase :-)
  • 1 0
 @funkzander: If you ride in the middle/front you can see that front wheel just fine haha
  • 12 3
 Kids at school after the quarentine : ''you mom is as heavy as a commencal"
  • 7 1
 Taken directly from their site, the highest-spec model, the "META AM 29 OHLINS ED 2021", is "16 kg / 35.27 lb Average weight for S size". So add another ~223g/0.49lb for a size large (added the additional 250mm of tubing to go up two frame sizes), and your pedals of choice (300-450g/0.66-1.0lb), and congratulations you're on a 36.5lb bike. Subtract a half pound if you get the Signature model bike with air suspension. Then people will install a bottle cage and bottle, strap on a tube, install a bike mounted multi tool, maybe run some tire inserts, and hit that awesome 40lb mark.
  • 4 0
 So strange right? Seems like weight isn't that much of an issue at all. Not more that 5 years ago, there was a push for 30 lb. DH bikes.
  • 3 0
 @pnwpedal It really does seem to be very heavy.
  • 4 2
 Light bikes were only a thing 5+ years ago because they were terrible in other areas.
  • 5 1
 Shhh,get with the times. Heavy bikes is where it's at. If you think differently you're a grouchy old roadie or something.
  • 2 0
 @nozes: LOL I guess! But hey, more options on the market are great. Riders will vote with their wallets and buy what they want to ride.
  • 10 1
 Nobody is talking about the new Schwalbe DHR II on the rear of that bike
  • 2 1
 there are couple of things I think I saw new casing and big betty again ?
  • 2 0
 Maybe it's just me but that new Big Betty has little resemblance to the DHR. Looks a lot like Hans Dampf centre tread without the angled intermediate knobs, plus Magic Mary-ish side knobs. Oh well I guess "lOoKs LiKe A mAxXiS" is the new "looks like a session".

The supertrail casing could be interesting though and hallelujah that the Nobby Nic is finally available in a tougher casing and soft compound. How their touted "most versatile" tyre has been so limited in options so far is strange.
  • 6 1
 Geo on this bike is spot on for hard charging and a good all around suspension amount that is plenty without being too much for all around capability. And its soo clean looking.
  • 3 2
 Actually, I was hoping for a spez enduro crusher, 170 in the back with 180 in the front.
  • 6 1
 @eugenux: Haha your only talking a 10mm difference bud. Probably couldn't tell the difference depending on suspension setup. Im of the mindset that when you get to 180mm you might as well go all in DH bike.
  • 1 5
flag eugenux (Jun 22, 2020 at 9:45) (Below Threshold)
 @cougar797:
Yeah man, I actually can fell the difference between my buddy's 140-150mm occam and my 130-150mm reactor, in all caractheristics that matter: suspension travel, wb, fork off-set and reach. I could also felt the difference between my 165-170mm Sanction team and my 165-180 Sanction custom(dogbone with bearings, off-set bushings @ the shock, etc). All of them seem to be small detalis that make very little to no difference but, in fact, when you add all of them up, the handling difference is quite visible.
  • 2 3
 Also, for all round capability they have the TR, which I currently consider, as my reactor is just a little(very little) less capable then I would want on red/black diamond trails in the bike-park. As an all mountain bike, it is perfect. But, I've have it with having multiple bikes(at one point owning 5 of them). Not to be wrongly understood, the reactor can carry you with no stress on difficult trails but, you have to be pretty fit as it puts a toll on you, having less suspension.
  • 3 0
 @eugenux: reactor is like my 5010 with 130/150, a great fun bike on tamer trails but scary in the gnar...should have gotten bronson again for one bike quiver.
  • 1 0
 @funkzander:
The red and black runs I did just last weekend say otherwise. And I'm your average(read mediocre) rider, nothing more.

After the last weekend experience, bar true DH drops and jumps and world cup type gnar, is more than enough bike.
  • 4 0
 @eugenux: I think we can all agree that modern trail bikes are insanely capable. I ride 160/170 and get away with silly stuff that I probably shouldn’t.
  • 1 0
 @cougar797:

I'm still learning the bike but, one thing I already miss is the extra safety net provided by 160-170-180mm of travel. Line choice is soooo much more important and I can't do stupid lines because it will "fight" back. I think this bike wants to make me a better rider. Hahahahaha
  • 6 1
 I'd love to see Commencals take on a... Downcountry bike.
the Meta TR is now fairly long travel. Would be cool to see an uber playful (27.5?) short travel (120?) bike with rowdy intentions.
  • 5 0
 Meta DC, yes please! I bet Yoann would appreciate a bike to climb silly steeps without going all merde.
  • 6 0
 Any info on the revitalized 29 x 2.4 Schwalbe Big Betty specced on the SRAM build? Looks to be a new casing as well call “super trail”
  • 2 0
 I saw that too - updated tire widths (MM @ 2.4 vs 2.35) and Super Trail. My guess is a rebranded version of the current snakeskin + apex option that they already have.

Snakeskin > Snakeskin + Apex aka Super Trail > Super Gravity > Downhill

If you zoom into one of the photos, you can see Big Betty's tread pattern. Seems like a faster rolling version Magic Mary.... the DHR II to the DHF.
  • 1 1
 @iJak: I checked it out on their Ohlin's spec and I think I see a weak spot for a pinch flat, where there's no knob between shoulder and center knobs, right above where the rim flange is. DHR II has the same issue too...
  • 1 0
 @Varaxis: should be okay with the apex + tubeless.
  • 1 0
 @iJak: You never pinch flatted a tubeless tire before? Happens even on DH tires. I'm saying that the issue is where the pinch flat holes happen, which are too big to be sealed up. The ones I've plugged up have been in that area, and the DHR II is the one I most frequently had to plug.
  • 1 0
 @Varaxis: have yet to pinch flat tubeless - I did with tubes, then i moved over to tubeless...I had side wall cuts so I went for APEX / or EXO+. I was given a pair of huck norris so that became standard.
  • 3 0
 "It fits a water bottle!!" I love that in the last 5 years the ability to put a water bottle on the bike frame is a make-or-break feature. If a non-bikers read this, they would think it was an advert for a Walmart bike low on features to brag about.
  • 5 0
 How is this not getting the same 'flogging' that Chris and Geometron gets...is it the 29" wheelsize? idk
  • 9 3
 Reach numbers are a bit much IMO.At 175m I’d have to ride a small!
  • 3 1
 Why?
  • 1 3
 at 170cm I'd have to ride XS Big Grin
  • 13 4
 @Arierep: because not everyone wants to cycle a barge
  • 4 5
 No, I should ride a medium and not feel the need to put a reach-extender head-set.

On these bikes, you do not go low behind the saddle like in the medieval bike age; you go low in the bike, centered!, best of luck!
  • 1 2
 *you should(, not I.)

(I already ride a bike for which the 452 mm reach was too small, at 1.72, so I had to put a reach extender)
  • 12 3
 @eugenux: Sam Hill, 175cm, EWS World Champ, 455mm reach (his previous titles were with a 435mm reach). Shall we talk about Loic Bruni’s reach number?

Due to the BB drop, current head angles etc, 29” already have lots of stability. Adding more wheelbase equals even more energy required to destabilize the bike to turn etc. Sure you can ride a longer bike more centred, but you’ll have a reduced ability to weigh the front or rear of the bike independently. Like everything, it’s a compromise.
  • 1 1
 @jclnv:

Funny to mention Sam Hill and Nukeproof. O ride a reactor 290.
  • 6 0
 @jclnv: Richie Rude is a big guy, he could ride L or XL sb150, but be rides a Medium 460 reach with 50mm stem to weight the front and be more nimble
  • 4 1
 I asked "why" because of the "I'd have to".
Some people like short bikes, others like crazy long ones. You have all the right to chose a shorter bike, but that doesn't mean their sizing is wrong
  • 3 0
 @Arierep: I agree to a point but I’d have 260mm of seat post exposed on the small!
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: true, but that then means you can use a huge ass 210mm dropper
  • 4 3
 @Jimmcw: You have it wrong way around. He is 5ft 11in, which is surprise surprise between M and L for yeti just like for 99% of other brands. He is strong, so he went for smaller of the two because he can make up for lack of stability and benefits from quicker handling, unlike 99% here. Not that hard to understand.
  • 3 0
 @Mondbiker: The opposite could be argued. If you’re strong enough to control the longer wheelbase of an overly stable bike, you would ride that because ultimately it’s more capable/fast.

Keep going down this rabbit hole and I think you’ll end up thinking like I do that most mediums are getting too long. It’s the guys at the high end of the spectrum that need longer bikes.
  • 1 2
 @jclnv: No, to control longer wheelbase which is always more stable you need less energy/strenght, so your argument it doesn´t make sense.
  • 3 0
 @Mondbiker: I think the energy requirement comes from handling the bike, cornering, pre jumping, lifting the front wheel, etc.

To upset that stability requires more strength/effort.
  • 2 1
 @jclnv: I would argue that keeping the bike pointed where you need is required 100% of the time at least at EWS level, jumping and lifting the front wheels is something even very mildly advanced riders don´t typically struggle with. Cornering on long bike is easier in general, again, it´s more stable in the turn so it takes less energy to keep it pointed where you want. Even fast direction changes are more related to BB height than WB on inline vehicle. Lower bb will be always more stable and unless you steer the bike like a car but use leaning of it instead it´s easier to do that with less stable higher BB bike regardless of WB. Put high BB on long bike and it will change direction quickly too.
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 @Mondbiker: I agree with all of that but I still think if you put a 60kg/165cm woman on a 1200+mm wheelbase bike (all other geo measurements being. equal) she would have a harder time and would probably be slower than say on a 1170mm. I totally agree about BB height but you also have to be more aggressive and set-up turns more on a longer bike.

I guess you could quantify it if you timed a stage on both bikes and looked at average heart rate. I’m betting the bigger bike would likely cause a higher heart rate. I could be wrong, just a hunch.
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 @jclnv: pretty much rider you described reviewing pole enduro-mtb.com/en/pole-evolink-size-small I would say she should be riding smaller wheels but if it works for her...
  • 6 1
 Strange...the lower priced frame model colorways are better than the higher prices models
  • 3 1
 I definitely like the single color frames more, but the best one has to be the raw polished on their website.

Specs are great on the higher end models, and geo looks spot on. Wish I could test ride one.

Thank god they’re not using the shitty e13 wheels anymore. After one year of mediocre riding they’re dinged to hell and to a point where it’s not possible to properly true them anymore.

E13 support hasn’t answered in two weeks, f*ck those cheese wheels.
  • 3 2
 Aluminum wheels denting is almost never the manufacture’s fault...
  • 2 0
 @TheSlayer99: Considering the amount of complaints I've heard from others in the Commencal facebook group and several forums about having the same problem, it could be. When I didn't run CushCore I sometimes had upwards of 40psi in the rear, now with CushCore I'm running 28. I'm not even taking big jumps or hucking the bike everywhere.
  • 4 1
 It starts off at a reach of 445mm?

What a stupid thing to do.

Chasing a trend and expecting small and medium sized riders to stretch over that reach, on a gravity oriented bike, is dumb and short sighted.
  • 1 2
 Dont knock it till you try it
  • 2 0
 Exyctly i ride medium bikes withcca 450mm reach as a sweet spot. Did try 470mm reach bike froma frend and it felt too long for me. With this meta i would have to downsize to size S.
  • 5 0
 Wow.... Might just have to get one of those
  • 1 1
 That YT just ain't it??
  • 7 2
 Press fit BB still? No thanks.
  • 6 1
 27.5 soon is what we are really looking foward to...
  • 1 0
 Commencal said next week!
  • 4 0
 not a single mention of the blurry rock shox zeb? I guess we'll have a full long-term review in a couple of days?
  • 1 0
 Their website states they are releasing the info on the Zeb models on July 7th - so RS must be releasing the Zeb in the next two weeks.
  • 4 0
 Pushing 35lbs...though I could probably lose like 20 lbs off myself to easily compensate.... Who am I kidding XD
  • 3 0
 The RS version has a secret fork: www.commencal-store.com/meta-am-29-team-c2x31374181 are we expecting a new Lyrik this year?
  • 1 0
 New Zeb
  • 1 0
 It's hard for every bike manufacturer to reinvent the wheel every year. It's not their fault, it's a vicious cycle. Companies that tick the boxes of persistent quality, high performance, consistency and customer satisfaction without having to go to extremes every everytime to keep their market shares, I admire.
  • 2 0
 As a tall human, I personally love the geo all these new bikes are getting. Last time I bought a bike I was extremely limited in my choices. Next time I will have tons of options.
  • 1 0
 Concur, its nice to have choices now, a few years ago you were having a hard time with bikes if you were over 5'11"
  • 1 0
 A bike is only good or bad for a certain terrain. Of course this geometry will kick ass in certain courses. But I don't know, what is mtb for you? Where do you ride? "Older" geometry will do better in many terrains, including the vast majority of what I have access to. I wish I could comment on this in a totally informed manner, and I wish I had access to the fast, open downhills these beasts were made for.
  • 4 0
 Looks like a proper monster truck.
  • 4 1
 The slight non-parallelism between the shock and the top tube is bad for my OCD. Sick looking bike otherwise.
  • 3 0
 Probably lines up perfectly with proper sag.
  • 4 0
 Was really hoping for a high single pivot design like on the Supreme tbh
  • 4 0
 check out their website, there is a new rockshox fork specced!
  • 1 0
 It looks it will be released on July 7th I look forward to see them
  • 1 1
 Perfect tire choice for me. Already have Assegai up front and it's great. Still wait for this version of Dissector (3c, Exo+) to be avaible in distribution. Seems to be perfect rear tire for most conditions: fast rolling, very light, well protected with enough grip.
  • 2 0
 So I know they haven't released their 2021 Supreme yet... but is the 2021 Meta a slacker head angle than the 2020 Supreme 29? Wild.
  • 1 0
 This is exactly the type of geo changes i wanted from my 2019 commensal. I wish i could test it against a giant reign and see the difference. Too bad giant pro deals are too good
  • 1 0
 So many people talking but did anyone mention the team spec has a blurred out fork thats yet to be released. Rockshox 38 no doubt, Anyone? Too much talking about Yetis to filter through
  • 3 0
 That is hard not to like!
  • 2 0
 Does anyone know if any companies make water bottle mounts for 40s? Looks like you could squeeze one in that front triangle.
  • 1 0
 growlercage lol
  • 2 1
 Finally bike companies are starting to catch up to the few brave who run geo as this few years back already. If I was buying bike today, I'd probably ride commencal
  • 3 0
 There is a secret fork for the Rock Shox builds on the Commencal website.
  • 2 0
 Love the metallic blue and white color scheme with the orange accents. Great looking bike.
  • 3 0
 Look really nice, its on the list.
  • 4 1
 That is the sickest looking bicycle I have seen in a while
  • 2 0
 I am more and more to give up Santa Cruz and next time buy great aluminium bike. This one is on my short list.
  • 2 0
 The 29 Essential is a pretty damn good value. Fox 38 up front with dpx2 out back plus SLX drivetrain. Damn CC.
  • 1 2
 I know commencal had issues in 2009 ish with frame failures but the weight of these puppies are taking the P! Ok so they got rid of the honking Weld on the top tube but seriously this is far too heavy for the average jo. Even the trail version is ridiculous.
  • 5 2
 chainstays too short for that reach.
  • 1 0
 I didn't know we needed " more homogeneous deformation of the frame".....Guess that's why I just ride bikes instead of designing them. Looks sweet though!
  • 2 1
 "Commencal gets rid orange and white signature model"
me: you fricking frickers don't u know that there r consequences for ur actions!
  • 1 0
 Is it just me or do their 2020 frame designs with the sharp and straight lines look A LOT like YT? Definitely like it better than the previous ones though.
  • 1 0
 So how much does this one weigh. Given how heavy the TR was last week I hate to think. We need to know If the car roof can take the weight and us get them up there
  • 2 0
 The XL has a 520 mm reach with 433 mm chainstays, will weighting the front wheel be an issue?
  • 2 0
 Thing looks sick. Good progression from the current generation.
  • 2 0
 Whats up with the blurred out forks on their website?
  • 14 0
 The "secret" rockshox Zeb everyone in the world has known about for the last 3 months.....shhhhhhhh
  • 5 3
 Sick looking bike, longer chainstays would be nice
  • 1 0
 Cant wait to see what Mr Shark Attack can do on one of these one the EWS stage with 100000mm of stem spacers.
  • 2 0
 Wish you could pick frame color by build kit.. I want polished....
  • 1 0
 Finally Commencal bikes with high quality and with spare parts availability wheels!
  • 1 0
 steeper seat angle, longer reach, slacker front end.. the is the meta29 i've been waiting for.
  • 1 0
 Pics of the ROCKSHOX ZEB all over the internet. May as well show that version now too
  • 2 1
 Looks like its time to sell my YT Tues and Giant Trance Advance - then buy this bike.
  • 2 0
 @kyle1812: Transition patrol... You are welcome My dude
  • 2 0
 Does anyone know the actual Insertion Length?
  • 2 0
 "max"....

I was wondering too.
  • 1 0
 And at near the end of the first day they've sold out of certain frame sizes and colours. Smile
  • 2 0
 The new RockShox can be seen blurred on the Commencal website
  • 1 0
 Don't know about the geometry, but the color schemes are getting better. Specially that white & blue paint.
  • 3 2
 That looks amazing hope it climbs better then the previous version.
  • 3 1
 170/170, please
  • 2 1
 Lacondeguy is gonna love ripping on this thing
  • 2 0
 So much yes.
  • 2 0
 Bike Park Slayer.
  • 2 0
 Drop the paint, just RAW
  • 1 0
 sheeze...just need this now too...add to my Commencal collection.
  • 1 0
 hanging out for the clashes to be released
  • 1 0
 This is the nicest looking bike, dreaming of trying out one
  • 1 0
 Can you put RS Megneg to this new Commencal?
  • 1 0
 29er for the podium, 27.5 for the soul. Drops mic...
  • 1 0
 slack is ace.....
  • 1 2
 You should not omit stack. Reach and stack are dependent measurements. This isnt progress for geometry charts.
  • 1 3
 TELESCOPING SEAT POST??? It's called a dropper.
I hope the Clash is still 27.5 or I'm gonna be very annoyed.
  • 3 4
 Frame weight?
  • 9 0
 All of the lb's
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