Commencal Updates Supreme with New Kinematics & Idler Pulley Position to Match World Cup Version

Jan 30, 2020
by COMMENCAL bicycles  

Press Release: Commencal

We’ve been part of the racing world for a long time. Our engineers attend races to give technical support that is key to winning races where every hundredth of a second matter They are constantly working on new ways to improve our frame's performance and thanks to their aluminium construction, we can develop, modify, test and improve, very fast.

Since the 2019 Fort William World Cup, the Commencal/Vallnord Team riders were on a new Supreme adaptation. It had its first race, first win under Amaury Pierron to be followed by two other beautiful victories in Les Gets and Lenzerheide.

Rémi Thirion achieved many Top10 World Cup results in 2019 with the Supreme DH 27. This bike also had its first race, and gained its first win along with a World Championship title in Mont Saint-Anne with Myriam Nicole.

All of this experience gained at the races finds its place in our range of bikes. We are offering you none other than the possibility to ride the same bike as Amaury and the benefits are numerous...

The stiffness has been increased to gain precision and avoid any loss of energy. With a new idler pulley position, the pedalling efficiency has been improved. The new kinematics combined with a new main pivot point allows the bike to be more nimble, and allows the rider to reduce the sag without losing any comfort.

The new Supreme is stronger and sharper.

Available on pre-order today worldwide.

Increased stiffness and precision to decrease energy loss.

New Idler pulley position to increase pedalling efficiency.

New kinematics and main pivot point for increased agility.


  • 274 4
 All last season I thought I WAS on the same bike as Pierron. No fucking wonder he was faster than me.
  • 81 3
 can you imagine how much power loss you have suffered due to the lack of stiffness.
  • 19 0
 @chyu: At least 98%. Can't wait to get on the 2020.
  • 28 1
 And to think of all the improvements to pedaling efficiency on those 5 pedal strokes before you coast downhill for 10 minutes!
  • 12 1
 Where the new Canfield balance press release on this site??
  • 7 6
 you were riding the bike he won the 2018 overall on, that should be enough no?
  • 6 0
 You thought you were held back by the difference in your bike and Pierron. Just think about the "Denim Destroyer" and what he would have done if he had the same Supreme as Pierron. He had the older version. Oh what could have been.
  • 2 0
 @chyu: lol they don't explain how they stiffened it up or where
  • 2 0
 @skycripp: By the time you get on the 2020, Amaury will be on the 2021 Wink
  • 6 1
 @chyu: my wife told me the same thing......
  • 2 0
 @chyu: they can be a little waggly. have one and think this is a good progression of the design
  • 37 1
 We need a DH bike field test @mikekazmier
  • 62 1
 I'm looking into the logistics of doing a summer Field Test in Europe that would include DH bikes (and eMTBs, just to keep everyone salty). But either way we'll have some DH bike video tests soon!
  • 43 0
 @brianpark: yesssss bring on the salt. an ocean of salt. I want to float in the comments like they're the dead sea.
  • 6 0
 @brianpark: Europe? Pinkbike staff already getting tired of BC?
  • 17 9
 @brianpark: let's leave the electric mopeds out of the equation
  • 28 2
 Video reviews? Please no. Written reviews are just better. Inclusion of videos to show suspension action or highlight some point or another are great, but full video reviews are just crap. 95% filler and loads of scrolling just to get to the interesting bit. Please don't.
  • 3 1
 @brianpark: awesome. Mixed wheel sizes too please.
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  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Get in touch with BigBike, they're doing a (almost) pretty good job at testing bikes every year.
  • 1 0
 YES!!! i have been frothing for one of these
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: I'm available for hire....
  • 2 2
 @brianpark: Can you please review 2 DH bikes and 24 eBikes?
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: That's the state of affairs on this side of the pond that you have to go to Europe to test ebikes... haha
  • 2 0
 @gabriel-mission9: just out of curiosity do you not enjoy our Field Test format? We still tried to include a good amount of written and photo material, in addition to the videos.
  • 2 0
 @cky78: I mean we have everything we need here, but it’s nice to bring a global perspective. And a reason to ride Pila or Morgins or something.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: yes and no. I like the head to head nature of the format. In a sea of reviews saying "bike x climbs well and descends like a champ" it is very cool to see a bit more comparison. "Bike x climbs well but bike y is easier to muscle around tight switchbacks. Bike y descends well but x is more stable at speed" etc etc. Info like this is great when trying to choose a new bike to suit my personal requirements (which I guess is the point of these things). However I honestly don't think the video aspect of the format adds much, if anything at all. Perhaps some people prefer it, and I'm fine with that, but I think it would be a massive shame if any of the the written article got cut to make way for more video content.
In an effort to be fair I have just gone and looked at the field test for the Marin San Q and Spesh Fuse. Because I'm a massive and quite unashamed geek I watched the whole video with a stopwatch (ok I am slightly ashamed) and timed all the bits that I considered to be relevant to whether I would buy the bike or not (And wasn't just reading from the spec sheet, which I can do myself) In a 7.20 video, I timed about 1.45 of useful info. The rest was basically filler. Filler I'd need to watch in its entirety as I can't just scan through to the bits I'm interested in like I can with a written article. Not a hugely efficient use of my lunch break ????. As I say, I have no issue with this until the written aspect starts to suffer. I generally just read the article and don't bother watching the video parts.
Except of course videos of suspension action/bottom out tests etc, which are both rad and totally suited to video format.

Iifn short, if more and more reviews become overrun with YouTube esque unboxing type videos where someone reads me the spec list while pointing at the relevant part on the bike, I'm gonna find it harder and harder to find the time to sift through it all for the bits that only a reviewer can tell me ie how the bike rides. And if I'm struggling to find the useful info which currently Pinkbike is far better than any of its competitors at providing, I'm gonna start visiting the site less. This would make me sad, and you guys poorer to the tune of roughly $0.0000007. So that sucks for both of us.
  • 17 2
 I like the part where they list seat tube angle. Super relevant.

Wasn't one of the selling points of these the slightly less stiff swing-arm so it tracks better? Wonder if this is a case of "best for WC-level racer vs best for local racer" and the less stiff version is faster for everyone that's not riding it to 11/10s of their ability.
  • 11 0
 Update the Commencal Supreme SX!
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  • 16 9
 "Hello this is papa johns", yes id like to order one large DH supreme............. "we sell pizza not bikes!" oh my bad!........... I have a large pineapple pizza............. hello?............. hello?...........
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 30, 2020 at 9:26) (Below Threshold)
 Weed makes you fat man...
  • 8 1
 I've just received my brand new "old" 2020 Supreme 27. Not sure how to feel.
  • 10 3
 Feel stoked you've got a new bike and go shred?? I've never been able to afford a brand new bike so I'd be over the moon!
  • 3 1
 Time to upgrade. Scratch that itch.
  • 2 1
 nothing much to worry about it. You still gonna shred as usual. only you will going to lose some power due to the lack of stiffness.
  • 2 0
 @chyu: oh, that's no problem at all because I already lose a monumental amount of power due to excess fat and lack of muscle.
  • 1 0
 @cherouvim: imagine you can get extra power from the stiffness of the frame. you can leave the fats alone.
  • 7 1
 Hey look they made the head angles steeper Moon
  • 9 7
 I like Commencal bikes but the prices are quite a joke. Few years ago, the brand has chosen the direct sales path..and today, look at the price.. 1800€ for the frame only, add some 400 to 700€ depending on the shock and the bill goes up to 2200-2500€ for a frameset.
At the same price, you can have a new Specialized demo with TTshock for 2400-2600€, and, in the same time, you bring food on the table for each people working as distributor, retailer, etc.
Buy smart guys
  • 2 2
 but the furious is still inexpensive. The supreme is going to be expensive no matter what, has been for awhile. they take so much development, so many moving parts, such precise manufacturing. the value is still good considering it is the most winning wc mens bike of the last 2 seasons
  • 6 2
 @ryanandrewrogers: You do realize Pierron being a totally wicked rider has almost nothing to do with the bike and more to do with him being a giant alien gladiator with ridiculous riding talent and more suspension in his arms and legs than most freeride bikes...
  • 2 1
 And very important thing: you can't negociate the price with commencal (or YT) while you always will on other brands on a shop
  • 2 0
 Just buy one "old" supreme DH 29 ( @joebrech on instagram) and this bike is a beast.
I did not buy it on the website but new to someone so I did not pay the full price.

And I agree with you : for the same ammount of money and negociate a bit with a shop, you can have for example the new gambler ? Or like said before, the new demo ?

Normally shop got like 25/35% margin and 25% to the distributor. So yes, they make money.
  • 7 2
 Ok, fine.
Now, what about a new Meta AM 29?
  • 2 0
 I'm super keen to see what updates they make. I love my 2019, but I'm predicting they'll follow the trend of a low Pivot for 2021.
  • 2 0
 Idk if we’re gonna see an update until later this year since they made some slight updates to the 2020 models compared to the 2019.

But Yoann Barelli has a new bike built up for this season and he hasn’t shown any pictures of the frame yet so maybe they will ride a prototype? But he also said new colors so it might just be different team paint.

And @skycripp can only agree my 2019 meta is fantastic.
  • 1 0
 @Upduro: I was in love with the '19 model, specially after seeing them in person at their showroom in Andorra, but in the end wanted to try a more progressive geometry. And that press fit BB...
  • 4 1
 Rémi Thirion and Mirian Nicole ride a DH27? For us mortals, I think the 27 runs very well and is more agile ... more versatility on the bike and IT'S CHEAPER KKKKK
  • 1 0
 to be fair it looks like the rear link is going to gain more mechanical advantage over the shock as it gets into the last bit of travel and that cant be good? but thats just from a speculative point of view!
  • 1 2
 I had the corsair marque with the high pivot and idler pulley, while terrific downhill, it was a beast to pedal uphill from the lack of antisquat, especially standing an pedalling as you often do while technical riding, also downhill pedalling was affected. A slightly lower-than-pivot-point-idler-pulley seems like a good idea to oppose the squatting forces from rider weight shift while pedaling.

This is more relevant for a trail bike than a DH bike like the Commencal. I don’t know how Forbidden Druid pedals, but am quite sure it is not optimal fir anything else than strictly downhill, and I sure would like a comment from someone with extensive time on one.
  • 2 0
 supreme sx pedals fine, 2 years on one
  • 1 0
 @Jolinwood: Have an SX myself and f@cking love it. High pivot was a game changer for sure
  • 1 0
 I was about to say “oh so it’s the same f*cking shit with minimal tweaks” but I can actually see a very visible upgrade to the geometry
  • 3 0
 The antisquat must be insanely high on this
  • 2 0
 Yes, the solution: a spring loaded idler that goes from pedal mode (low position) to downhill mode (high position) at the flick of a switch
  • 1 0
 @Ynotgorilla: that’s a brilliant idea. High pivot bikes tend to have high antisquat and low pedal kick or good antisquat and a large negative pedal kick. Being able to alternate between the two would be fantastic
  • 3 1
 The redesigned idler looks solid. The original, not so much
  • 1 0
 What? The old one was build into the frame.
  • 2 0
 @mtbikemccoy: the larger pulley and housing design are an improvement, at least from what I can see. Hopefully they'll have one at the showroom that I can see in a few weeks
  • 2 0
 @onlyDH: a larger pulley doesn’t make sense, but the old one was still solid.
  • 2 0
 DOES! It does make sense.
  • 2 0
 nobody noticed the SRAM COCES?
  • 5 1
 They wanted to make the bike truly unstoppable.
  • 1 0
 With the idler pulley located lower than the main pivot, does that mean this frame still has pedal kick-back?
  • 2 1
 Why make the stack the same across the range?
  • 10 5
 To see how different sizes stack up against each other...
  • 2 0
 Seriously, XL with a stack of a kids bike, so much for tall people.
  • 3 2
 They all look so good but won't be in my price range for 5 years
  • 5 0
 Just sell a kidney
  • 5 6
 Dude I put mountain biking on hold for 8 years to focus on my career and make sure I could afford any bike I wanted. You'll get there.
  • 17 0
 8 years you’ll never get back @skycripp:
  • 9 0
 @skycripp: If that's what you want sure, but I just bought a cheaper bike while I did the extra work.
  • 4 10
flag fullendurbro (Jan 30, 2020 at 10:14) (Below Threshold)
 @CrispyNuggs: Depends on how you look at it. Did I miss out on racing collegiate and going pro? Sure, but I don't think I would enjoy being pro anyway. I like racing for fun, not for livelihood. So as it stands, I have a great career, and can still get a podium in the Expert class at a BME every now and then.
  • 7 1
 You could still ride and work albeit on a cheaper bike. There’s ALWAYS time to ride even a half hour ride. And how do you know you would have ‘gone pro’? @skycripp:
  • 3 2
 @CrispyNuggs: I worked in management consulting where I was stepping on a plane every Monday morning, working 12 hour days, and then flying back home on a Friday evening, often times working on the weekends. So, no, there isn't always time to ride.
  • 2 3
 @skycripp: so your comment proves there was time to ride. Someone who ‘nearly went pro’, who loves mob would find time haha
  • 5 3
 @CrispyNuggs: You're kind of an insecure douche, dude. My original comment was put there to encourage someone who couldn't afford a bike, and you've turned the thread into a crusade against me, trying to prove that I could have had time to ride while I made a personal choice to focus on other aspects of my life.

Could I have chosen to live in a city that had trails closer than 90 minutes, and gotten up early every saturday to go for a rip? Maybe, but I chose to put my time into other things, and the result is that I now have a ton of time to ride, and make more money in a year than you probably ever will (and yes, that's a total dick thing to say, but you were being a dick first). I was just passing off encouragement to OP, and you insisted on trolling me.

And finally, I *never* said I "nearly went pro." I said I gave up opportunities to go pro, which is true because it's hard t go pro when you stop riding and racing.
  • 1 3
 Think it’s you that’s insecure pal, trying to justify yourself to a stranger on the internet. You just come across as someone with a big head who quit riding for 8 YEARS ‘but could’ve been a pro’ it’s funny. Yet in your photos you sure don’t look like you ride like a pro! Have a good day, you high flying, go getting, nearly pro haha @skycripp:
  • 1 2
 Ps glad I did give you stick, the money conmen you made justifys it really dikwad @skycripp:
  • 1 2
 You make sooooo much money, you’re my hero, shame you can’t buy yourself a new personality and riding skills hahah what a melt.
  • 3 3
 I’m confused m, I thought we all needed long 450mm - 460mm chainstays now?
  • 13 0
 On high pivot bikes the chainstays grow considerably on compression
  • 3 0
 The chainstays length will grow at sag so will be a bit more than the 430 quoted. Will be interesting to know by how much. It’s a good point you make though, I’m after a new bike now and one of the things I’m interested in when I demo is how does length affect my ability to hop and jump. I’m not that good a rider but a bit of hopping and jumping over rocks and logs is required at my local trails.
  • 3 0
 And they also made the BB higher and the wheelbase shorter! I'm utterly surprised by the lack of outrage by self-declared geometry gods in the comments.
  • 1 0
 That´s what it is at sag where it spends most of it´s time.
  • 1 0
 damn I think they made it too long for shortish people, In sure all the tall people will be stoked though
  • 1 0
 I just found the graph for travel vs chainstay length for the V4.2 model. They grow a lot 425mm at zero travel to 465mm at almost full travel.
  • 1 0
 curious how these idler bikes corner in the tight stuff?
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Balfa BB7 :-)
  • 1 0
 It´s good to see a 27`5"!
  • 2 1
 No xl 27? Ugh
  • 1 0
 E13 wheels are sh*t
  • 2 4
 No pound price? Obviously they don't want to sell to us. Times are changing.
  • 1 4
 I thought the same. They left us out. They don't live us now we are leaving
  • 1 0
 Good bye Perfide Albion!
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