The Mother of all tire Reviews - First up - The 2.5 Continental Der Kaiser
It is so easy to just fall into the mold of what’s cool and hip in terms of what products we SHOULD be running on our mountain bikes. Take tires for example, go to any downhill race in the world and you will see that close to 90 % of the tires used by racers are Maxxis.
Since the time I first started riding, I was always told by those I looked up to, that I shouldn’t even bother with other tires. That they were all garbage and that Sam Hill runs Maxxis so I should immediately go out and blindly buy them. I just find it hard to believe that Maxxis is seriously the only decent tire company that can make a well performing and reliable Downhill tire. Now I am not trying to knock Maxxis tires. I personally love their tires and have been running the High Roller on both my XC and Downhill Bike religiously for 3 years now.
My Plan is to get out there, and back to back test out all the other downhill tires on the market. I might very well just go back to Maxxis tires, proving to myself that they are the best, or maybe, just maybe I will find a diamond in the rough through my tests.
I will be testing the tires in various different areas:
Hook/Cornering: The ability of the tire to hook into the ground and hold a line, resisting gravity and inertia (cornering, off camber line choice).
Predictability: A lot of tires may hook really well but as soon as they let go they are extremely un-predictable. Others are very predictable in letting you know exactly when they will let loose, and when they do let loose, exactly how they are going to handle ie. Drifting.
Rolling Speed: This is an important factor when looking at a DH tire. It may be the stickiest and have the most grip on the roots and corners but, if the compound is too soft, or the lugs are too big, the tire will roll slow and you will be loosing valuable seconds. Also with a super soft compound there is a higher chance of punctures and the increase of tire wear.
Durability: I am going to try and test each tire for at least two weeks, which for me translates into about 6 full shuttle days. It may be the newest and best gripping “UBER 5C COMPOUND” but if it all falls apart after 4 runs it might not be the best choice for recreational and privateer racers. Especially with tires these days running close to $100.00 each (CAD).
Weight and UST: I will weigh each tire and inform you if it is tubeless or not. Even if it isn’t tubeless, I will let you know if you can run them ghetto tubeless.
And the first tire to be tested? 2.5 Continental Der Kaiser
Specs:
26X 2.5”
DH Casing
Claimed Weight: 1000g
Actual weight: 1290g
At first appearance the Kaiser looks likes the love child of a Minion front and a High Roller. It has directional ramped center knobs and the side cornering knobs are similar to a High Roller with tons of space in between the center knobs and the cornering knobs.
Hook/Cornering: First feel of the tires and it's hard not to notice the super soft compound. The Compound feels as soft as Maxxis’ old 40A Slow Reezay Compound. After first feel of the rubber I was almost positive the tires wouldn’t last a full 2-week test.
The Kaiser was one of the first tires I have tested that I was immediately impressed by. Cornering, the tire had extremely good hook, holding almost any line I steered into. When the tires did let go, they were very predictable.
It's funny to always use Maxxis tires as a comparison but, its true they are the benchmark for comparison when it comes to downhill tires. I found the Kaiser hooked and cornered very similar to the Maxxis High Roller however unlike the High Roller, the Kaiser felt more like a Minion front once the tire did let loose and slide in terms of predictability.
Braking: The Kaiser did have stand out braking power. It didn’t bite in as hard a High Roller or Minion Rear. Seemed to have similar stop powering as say the Kenda Nevegal, Maxxis Ardent or Minion Front.
One area I found the Kaiser lagged in was the rolling speed. On the harder packed trails I could definitely tell that I was running a super soft compound. This could also be due to the fact that the center lugs are so long and aggressive, which could be a plus if riding on very muddy or soft loose terrain. If a rider wanted to ride a lot of hard pack, I would suggest slightly clipping the center knobs on at least the rear tire, possibly both.
Tubeless? The Kaiser is not advertised as being a tubeless tire. Either way I tried to set them up ghetto tubeless. Unfortunately the thick sidewall of the Kaiser does not hold in air; the air actually leaks out in between the braided rubber that makes up the sidewall even with 3 scoops of Stan's.
Durability: After first feeling how soft the tire compound was I thought for sure the tires would be shredded after only a few runs. This was the area I was by far the most impressed by. After two weeks (about 40 hrs) of riding, the Kaisers still looked like they were lightly used. Their durability was comparable to say a Maxxis 60A compound or harder compound tires such as Kendas or WTBs.
One area of concern was flatting. Over the course of the two weeks I didn’t get any flats but, another person testing them with me got 4 flats. Some good friends of mine who also tested them during a certain Mountain Bike Mag review also reported getting a lot of flats. Which is surprising considering the sidewalls are so thick. That being said, I didn’t once get a flat, even when riding fast and rocky tracks.
Der Kaiser after two weeks of testing
Der Kaiser after two weeks of testing
In Review:
Positives:
Cornering
Durability
Predictability
Negatives:
Braking (still decent though)
Won't go tubeless
Might be prone to flats
Slow Rolling
Overall I was super stoked on this tire. I was blown away by the performance in corners, which for me is probably the most important thing when looking for a tire. The durability was equally as impressive. You may not get high fives from all the Sam Hill fan club boys if you run them but, definitely a good alternative to try if you like to go fast. It's a tough one but, off the bat, I think that I may have found a tire that corners as well as the High Roller, now only if it rolled faster.
Check em out!
-Adam Mantle
Dunbar Cycles
Christy
I highly recommend this tire, just like Dunbar does, so go out and at least try it sometime!
I think the weight is OK as well. I have no complaints about the rolling resistance, as I think it is natural form such a tacky rubber as this is.
I really suggest to give them a shot, as diversity is a good thing.
I also use the Rain Kings, and those are really good tires as well.
All in all I absolutely recommend them.
They do hook up like a 40a, don't grip as well as a cut spike in the mud.
When it gets a little icy (as it is here at the moment) they are head and shoulders ahead of Maxxis Slow Reezy, SuperTacky and old Michelin Compounds. We run Freelap all the time so noticed in the times what tyres are faster.
The BlackChili compound found on the DerKaizer is also used on a race XC tyre, so the compound is not what is slowing this tyre down.
In our tests we have found that the RainKing rolls faster than a HighRoller, MinionDHF, Cut Spike or Michelin Mud 3 when the ground is harder packed. We have only done time tests no freewheeling tests on the same bike to verify this.
Then you will gradually build up a good comparison table for all the tyres?
I wonder if the Athertons are really running this tyre? blacked out logo Maxxis tyres?
Thanks in advice.
But back on topic- as far as front tires go, I'll take a butcher every time. The price is just icing on the cake.
You should consider in your testing stand up braking.
The High Roller is ok but far from perfect. Its good when leaned but stand up performance is so-so.
A good rear tire needs a center block design, each and every time. The channel is best left for the front.
Geoff.
A couple questions:
>>the Kaiser felt more like a Minion front once the tire did let loose and slide in terms of predictability.
Can you please explain what you mean?
What psi/bar were you running? (If you don't know would you please keep track and tell us?)
The Kaizers look really worn to me for 40 hours...? My 60a Highrollers have been on my bike a year and a half of trail riding and look WAY sharper than that. Don't your Highrollers hold up better than the Kaizers?
Thanks. Again, a much needed comparison.
The Kaiser compound will for sure wear quicker than a 60A compound tire, but it will also grip and hold a line a lot better as the compound is way softer. It a hard balancing act between performance and longevity. Guess it all depends on what is more important to your riding needs. The high rollers I usually run are 3C's and the amount of riding I did over those two weeks would have had the High roller side knobs tearing after a week. I just took those Kaiser's off last week, been a month since i put them on and they like almost the same as in the pictures taken after two weeks. Very Impressed. Pretty stoked of the next set of tires on my bike right now. Review to follow up soon.
I find that at the higher pressures mentioned above the rolling resistance is not much slower than the minion DHF, and the grip under braking is better. The main reason I'm now sticking to the kaisers though is the extra grip/confidence in the cornering, especially on looser/steep tracks, to me this outweights the slight increase in rolling resistance and the extra weight the tyres have when compared to the minion DHF. Anyway, that's just my 2¢
id really like to see the wicked will reviewed.
rachel atherton and dan were running conti's this weekend in fontana california.
gee was running blacked out high rollers. probably because the high roller rolls faster.
one thing i would like to hear very clear notaition of from these reviews is the specific conditions, type of trail, and soil. ex: deap loam, muddy ruts, clay and rocks, unbenched, flat corners berms and so on.
in general one tire may be better in one condition but worse than another tire in a different condition.
Great job on this review! this has to be one of the most beneficial type of reviews that could be done. oh and p.s. that glory is sick, im trying to make a very similar build come together right now.
I love the Kenda's!! I have tired Maxxis, they are great, maybe even a hair better than my Kenda's, but am I going to pay double for that?? No. I ride hard, I ride alot, and i dont race.......Im not sponsored, spending that kind of money on tires is insane. The Kendas work great, and I can rip on my bike, thats all that matters.
It's the tyre Maxxis allegedly ripped off to make the High Roller, and it's the best allround tyre on the face of the planet.
Tread is deeper than HR, better in mud, rolls fine, grips like nothing on earth and kinda almost sharpens itself as it wears.
Even when they are totally shagged they grip great.
Anyway, how are your test coming along, so far I have only found this and the wicked will, any more tests coming soon?
I am a tire fetishist and I love trying any I can get. =P Also, I am eager to read more.
Thanks
-Adam
While I am sure a more scientific review could be done, "Thanks" for continuing this. Will be intersting too see how the other tires fare.
Jeff Bonisa
San Clemente
thanks for the study, this issue is on a lot of people's minds.
Make up your mind dude, are you trying to find a better tire, or are you just trying to rebel against all the "Sam Hill fan club boys" because you're too cool to be like everyone else?
Did it ever occur to you that the reason all the racers in WC run them (unless sponsorship prevents them from doing so) is because they're better? Do you not remember the Santa Cruz team, sponsored by Kenda, running blacked out logo High Rollers and DHF's in 2007? (Watch chapter 10 in Seasons, Peaty has Kenda logos on his jersey, but the tires are clearly DHF front, High Roller rear in the start gate)
Mud-X (now Muckmeister) are the best snow DH tire ever.
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