Continental, Mondraker and American Classic - Eurobike 2015

Aug 26, 2015
by Paul Aston  

Continental Der Baron


Continental Der Baron


The all new Continental Baron has undergone a complete re-design for 2016. The 2.4" tire will be available in 26", 27.5" and 29" diameters. This heavyweight, 980gram enduro tire uses the Black Chilli rubber compound, and extra reinforcing from their new Apex urethane layer. This layer spans from the bead around 3/4 of the way up the sidewall and is said to increase tire stability and pinch flat protection. To celebrate the launch, the first production run of tires will come with limited edition packaging and includes a customized mudguard. This new Baron will be available straight after Eurobike and will retail for €74 (USD TBA).


Continental Der Baron

Continental Der Baron
Continental Der Baron

Continental Der Baron


bigquotesThe 'Baron 2.4 Projekt' is an extremely grippy, agile and universal enduro race tire with high durability and puncture resistance. During the development period, Continental's tire engineers optimized the tire tread as well as the size and the structure of the carcass. Its deep-tread, relatively exposed profile is the modification of the BlackChili compound, which has been adjusted to match the needs of enduro and freeride tracks, ensures reliable grip while not comprising the low rolling resistance, even in mud or loose ground. The 2.4" carcass combines good rolling characteristics with inherent damping, without gaining weight. An additional protection layer is incorporated around the entire carcass to reduce risks of punctures. The stable Apex inlay at the lower part of the carcass prevents it from collapsing in fast corners and helps protect the sides from slicing on sharp features in rocky or rooty terrain. - Continental






Mondraker 27.5"+

Mondraker Crafty R


bigquotesIt's a brand new Crafty, completely re-designed from the ground up, nothing to do with last year's 29" version. It has our proprietary technologies like Zero Suspension with 140mm of travel. Forward Geometry with a longer top tube length than last year's Crafty, and our Stealth aluminium tubing. It has its own wheels that we developed this year with a 40mm internal width and 3" Maxxis Chronicle tires. We have two models - the Crafty R+ with a RockShox Yari up, Monarch Plus and a ten-speed drivetrain. Crafty RR+ that has a FOX 34 and Float X rear shock with an XT drivetrain and Guide brakes. We believe these bikes will be really successful this season, the ride will compare more to our current Dune than the Foxy. Although it has 140mm travel - the style is more enduro and fun riding. We believe these bikes will be really popular, not just our bikes, but it's a new trend that's coming and it's here to stay! - Israel Romero, Mondraker Bikes


Mondraker Crafty R
Mondraker Crafty RR

Mondraker Crafty R
The Crafty shares a similar brace/mudguard design as the carbon Dune and Summum
Mondraker Crafty R
The Crafty uses Boost rear hub spacing and is 1X compatible only


Mondraker Vantage R

The Vantage hardcore hardtail has also undergone the leap up to plus sized tires from it' 2015 incarnation which had 'normal' 27.5" wheels.






American Classic - Smokin' Gun Wheelset

American Classic Smokin Gun Wheelset
  American Classic Smokin' Gun Wheelset


American Classic founder Bill Shook says that these huge 40mm internal width rims are the result of a search for the ideal enduro wheelset, and could have a place in the emerging plus market - although they are designed with traditional sized tires in mind. At 1733 grams for a 27.5" wheelset they're certainly light enough. They will cost around $950USD for a pair when they land in early 2015.


American Classic Smokin Gun Wheelset
American Classic Smokin Gun Wheelset

American Classic Smokin Gun Wheelset
American Classic Smokin Gun Wheelset

bigquotesIn the same way you make an aluminum frame stiff and light by making the tubes bigger and thinner - I'm doing this with rims, as a result you get a larger air volume in the tire or you can drop the tire casing size and get weight savings which can be incredible on the periphery of a rim. - Bill Shook





MENTIONS: @ContinentalMTB




94 Comments

  • + 124
 New tire available in all 3 sizes? I must be dreaming..
  • - 32
flag unrooted (Aug 26, 2015 at 16:29) (Below Threshold)
 Now if Conti could learn how to make a 2.4" tire anywhere near 2.4" wide. . . I would actually buy them, but a 900+ tire that only measures at 2.25" is gabage.
  • + 36
 ^try trail King 2.4 if you need volume
  • + 35
 Contis are ridiculously massive when mounted
  • - 6
flag richierocket (Aug 26, 2015 at 17:28) (Below Threshold)
 "The Crafty uses Boost rear hub spacing and is 1X compatible only." Ouch, lost potential buyers there boy.
  • + 6
 @unrooted @kanasasa Yeah no kidding. The 2.4 TK is massive. It nearly doesn't even fit in my HDR, height OR width.
  • - 1
 why do tire companies insist on putting a massive channel down the middle of their tires? All this does it lessen straight line braking. They could fill the gaps a little better and have all the same attributes but with much much better braking qualities. Think of the original Minion DHR (horrible) and the DHR2 (great). The reason is the massive center block.
  • + 4
 Yeah Continental's sizes are all over the map. The Black Chili Mountain King and X King are undersized (2.4 = 2.25), and the Trail King is oversized (2.4 = 2.45). However the sport compound Mountain King is 1:1 sized (2.4=2.4). I'm a big fan of the tires but I do wish they would standardize this as I never know what size to buy to get a particular actual volume.
  • + 8
 You're a knob WayneParsons. Haha. Two knobs on the ground is better than one. At least for braking. Rolling resistance is a different topic. Regardless, tires that roll fast typically brake slow
  • + 4
 well kubaner, its more about the placement, the size and the shape (braking edge). A massive channel down the middle pushes less dirt. On the front, not so bad, as the front tire relies on those smaller direction knobs for steering.
  • + 4
 Wayne is bang on.
  • + 2
 @unrooted Just so you know, its not a road bike tire...
  • + 0
 900+ gram . . .
  • - 1
 At least der Kaiser-Baron Projekt duo seems to be grippier than a Trail King.
  • + 5
 26 aint dead ! Smile
  • + 3
 I hope they have made it stronger, I recently decided to change my Minions for Der Barons, and in just 4 rides, 2 tires were cut on the side...

I like the tires but come on, if I have to be afraid of littles rocks with a 60€ tire, something is wrong!
  • + 2
 That Baron reminds me a lot of a mavic charger...

www.pinkbike.com/photo/12614838
  • + 0
 Only thing that keeps me from buying contis is the price.. nothing special for a handmade in germany tire though.. Made in my hometown!
  • + 0
 Same way I like my ladies
  • + 45
 Good to see tire companies still supporting 26"
  • + 35
 Thank you @ContinentalMTB for supporting 26"!
  • + 31
 Put on your rubber and call me Der Baron!
  • + 18
 Der Baron!

#nohomo
  • + 8
 But did Fercho25 put on the rubber, is the question.
  • + 3
 i see what you did there
  • + 20
 WTF Bill!?!
A 40mm wide rim that's "designed with traditional tire sizes in mind"?
BULLSHIT! You put a 2.35" tire on there you better hope it's got knobs on the sidewalls.
  • + 16
 40 mm wide rims...yet even no real enduro racer uses super wide rims. Even DH pros like Gwin use DT EX471's and have no issues
  • + 3
 a fair few are running 741's now...
  • + 5
 Trying to hop on a fad while all the pros have already laid their cards down on what width/weight works.................... I used to think that 28mm inner width would be the best, but that comes at a weight penalty! EX471 setting the benchmark for sure
  • + 0
 Again, it's finding the correct rim width for the conditions. Their arguments are all valid if you don't want to lean the bike over for corners. They are selling a rim for only very loose conditions.
  • + 2
 Don't want to lean the bike??
  • + 1
 Well @bman33, if you have a wider rim you have a flatter tread profile, which is not a new concept. Motorcycle racers play with different rim widths for different conditions and have done for many years. In wet or loose conditions, a wide rim produces more grip through a larger contact patch but provides less lean angle as the edge of the tyre is exposed earlier and of course the opposite is true for a narrow rim.

Luckily, as I'm in the Alps at the moment I see that the majority of riders don't lean their bikes over for cornering anyway.
  • + 2
 I wasn't disagreeing with your original comment @bman33 by the way, I was disagreeing with @payze providing a marketing statement as a technical article.
  • + 1
 I've been using the 40mm inner Velocity Dually, on the rear of my hard tail for a while now. XC to DH, works fantastically. Huge volume increase, and amazing sidewall stability at low pressures. I weigh 160lbs, ride aggressively and can run ~14psi for downhill on a 2.4" tire without bottoming out even on very rocky terrain. The flatter profile gives massive traction for climbing and braking. Cornering hard seems to be no issue at all. I still use a narrower rim up front for now, as I think 40mm up front would hurt cornering somewhat... though I have yet to prove this.
  • + 1
 Danny Hart runs 22mm inner width rims with his 27.5x2.35" Magic Mary tires... Soooooooooooooooooooooooo that's it folks. Bin all your wide rims because a World Cup Downhill racer apparently doesn't even need 25mm rims.........
  • + 17
 Hey guys,I didn't brought my glasses,what's the tire brand on that Mondraker hardtail? Cool
  • + 3
 Maxxis Chronicle... looks to be boosted
  • - 14
flag dropoffsticks (Aug 26, 2015 at 16:30) (Below Threshold)
 you can't read MAXXIS in large letters, but you can see well enough to comment, type, and press submit?
  • + 20
 @dropoffsticks Looks like you're the one who needs glasses because you can't see his sarcasm.
  • + 4
 Oops... now I get it
  • + 2
 If anyone puts tires on their bike with logos that big, they should get paid billboard rates for the advertising.
  • + 10
 oh I feel stupid now
  • + 12
 A little rant. There's all these wide rims (I'm not talking +), but no selection decent tires to match them. Even my China carbon's that are 32mm wide (internal) square off DHFs and Butchers too much.

I think it's overkill. 28mm internal would be great for trail and DH shredding. Things have gone too wide if you ride hard. Maybe if Maxxis made a rounder version of the DHF, then we could actually use these wider rims. Until then.. blah.
  • + 1
 So let me ask this - what width of rim are those Barons mounted up to in the pics? Definitely not 40's or even 30's. Nice looking tire though, might be worth a try.
  • + 4
 That's why i bought traverse fatties, 28-29mm seems to be the sweet spot for 2.3s
  • + 0
 Maxis has prototype tires optimized for wider rims under some enduro racers(the ones that are riding 741s, naturally.)
  • + 14
 Imagine what could have been accomplished with all the wasted time and money spent designing all these 27.5+ bikes.
  • + 9
 "Zero Suspension with 140mm of travel"

kindof an odd name for a suspension design eh marketing department.

bike looks good other than thier hunchback-of-notre-dam top tube technology
  • + 2
 Those hunch backed top tubes make me want to puke! Is there any legit reason for manufacturers using them? Or are they just trying to make me spend my money elsewhere?
  • + 2
 They're trying to not spend it on a 2$ plastic chain stay protector...seriously Mondraker, this is 2015! Bikes come with chain stay protectors. Period.
  • + 6
 Another 27.5+ comment here. I've rolled around a parking lot on that tire size once, and it was on a friend's prototype. Other than that, I haven't seen one in the wild, nor do I know anyone looking to buy one and I'm a bit of a forum nerd. Is there a place these things are selling? Seems crazy the amount of attention they're getting from manufacturers considering they are basically an unproven trend. I'm not knocking it, I just can't believe it's all everyone is talking about. I'm reluctant to buy tires for my 29er that are above 800grm cause itll be sluggish on climbs, so can't really imagine loving this. But, I'll reserver judgement till I get in a few dozen km on these things.
  • + 1
 if you think of it as a frame/fork with extra mud clearance that can run any tire then they're cool. From that perspective the downsides are academic.
  • + 1
 I need to agree with Jesse here. Not trying to trash talk or bash new ideas, I'm just not seeing the application or the interest to support the market saturation. I'd consider demoing one if they were available to me. Maybe if I lived in sandy Sedona AZ I'd want the extra grip? I dunno.
  • + 3
 JesseE, I tell you why the manufacturers are throwing everything at 650b+, they're hilarious to ride and if the conditions are as loose and dusty as it is around my area at the moment, they're also pretty rapid. If you're riding fire road climbs sure they're definitely slower but if you're riding steep, tech with limited grip I don't think there's a lot in it between them and 2.35 on 650b, The reason being is there is so much traction you hardly get wheelspin, you don't have to modulate power or hunt for lines. Just sit in the middle of the seat and plod away!

All the 26" for life brigade keep going on about how much fun small wheels are, well if they demoed one of these with an open mind they'd die laughing.
  • + 2
 ^agree completely. I'm riding a 29+ hardtail and it rips. I would expect a 650+ to be equally fun.

And if you don't like the + tyres you just put normal tyres on and have loads of mud clearance.

I think they've marketed the + sized tyre thing really badly. No one ever complained about 3"gazzaloddis (apart from the huge weight) or 2.75" wide minions.
  • + 1
 I guess if I'm just a regular guy who only goes online for email and porn and I walk into a bike shop and see some chunky ass bike I'd be pretty stoked and they do look fun for sure. So many high-end bikes coming out with mega tires and little new for existing rim/tire combos, it has just left me uninspired. Im not in the market for a whole new bike, nor do I get stoked to see a million new bikes released which I can't relate to. I like little doses of new; refinement; innovation; not complete industry shakeups every year.
  • + 4
 I want to like the design of the bike, but that top tube leaves me thinking that some of these bike manufacturers go for function and stiffness but often forget about aesthetics...if we are going to pay this amount of money for bikes they need to look good too!
  • + 3
 I actually really like the look of the Mondrakers - they're weird but kinda cool and modern. Not sure I'd swap my Cotic for one though Wink
  • + 3
 As always the naysayers are out but tires designed around wide rims will come out. This is what happened with 650b, no tires, then boom, all tires. Manufacturers are always looking for something new and this ain't gonna be any different.
  • + 1
 Maxxis has the new 2.5 dhf foldable. ..due out soon. I'm assuming the + size stuff took up ghe r&d '15 budget.
Hans dampf probably the best for front, wide rim so far. Maybe 2.4 hr2-heavy tho
2.3 maxxis dhf waaaay too small.
  • + 1
 ...and when that happens then wide rims will be a worthwhile option.
  • + 4
 If nukeproof make the scout plus sized I'm calling the police. What is this... Invasion of the fat tyre? I think I might have been the only person liking the vantage... Now it's a beach cruiser even I don't like it.
  • + 4
 to me the crafty has always looked like some kind of bike from an alien planet that is stretching its abnormally shaped neck out.
  • + 1
 "...extra reinforcing from their new Apex mesh layer which traverses across the whole carcass for cut protection. There is also an added layer of material on the sidewall to prevent snakebites and increase stability."

They mixed up the two features in the review. Apex is the added layer on the sidewall and Protection is the extra ply from bead to bead.
  • + 1
 I was abit put off my Mondrakers originally, but then at the LBS i had the chance to try one (a Dune) when i was shopping for a bike. The minute i got on it and rode it it felt right, dont knock one till you've ridden one! The looks warmed on me now too. Alot more uglier bikes out there too! But each to there own i suppose.
  • + 1
 1. Hans Dampfs make horrific front tires regardless of size or application(unless you enjoy your front end pushing everywhere) 2. Conti Trail Kings are one of the best all around tires going. 3. Anyone remember that KHS hardtail(Ditch Witch?) looks just like that Mondraker HT.
  • + 3
 the baron seems very similar to onza Ibex, which I like alot. I like how enduro has prompted manufacturers to finally make the products that we have needed for sooo long
  • + 1
 Where are all the plus bikes on the trails? I've seen loads of plus bikes in the shop. Shops that usually have to order anything current or decently spec'd. Not a single one on the trails so far. With all the kool-aid on offer, I'm shocked how few people seem to be drinking. Maybe they're great, but they're collecting shop dust around here.
  • + 1
 I like the look of these new Der Barons in a single ply + apex casing. The old single ply + apex Barons at 2.3 were a little narrow, and tough to set up tubeless in my experience (maybe because the weren't 'protection' tubeless ready).

I'm not holding my breath on availability despite what they say about them being released after eurobike. At the beginning of the current model year they updated the Trail King 2.2 protections to include apex, and introduced the Der Kaiser project 2.4 in a single ply + apex casing but I have not seen either for sale anywhere - not german online stores, CRC or the big american stores. Anyone had any better experience finding these newer Conti tires?
  • + 1
 It would be nice is Conti had the mud flap as part of the plastic packaging the tires come with; it is the same material they use...just saying.
  • + 1
 I like that Continental mud guard, will that be for sale too? I hate mud guards because they usually look ugly but if it's made in Germany I want it.
  • + 2
 "They will cost around $950USD for a pair when they land in early 2015"

they are a bit late with the release
  • + 2
 Another press release for the 27.5 der baron.... I wonder whether they will actually put them on sale them this time?!
  • + 2
 I really like the look of those baron's! we're entering the golden age of tires.
  • + 2
 Damn that vantage looks fugly.
  • + 1
 Who else thinks that a Mondraker dirt jumper with their typical top tube style would look amazing?
  • + 1
 Mythical baron getting close but biggest slap down is Affy/Maes snub it in favour of the MudKing?
  • + 2
 REALLY like the looks of that Mondraker.
  • + 1
 Good news : 26" tires are here to stay.
Bad news : 40mm internal rim for enduro?
  • + 1
 The fad chasers drive the market... Frown
  • + 1
 Pinkbike has really been stepping up the bikeporn over the past few days... Well done PB, Well done
  • + 1
 Now I do like my hardtails but that mondraker is ugly as sin
  • + 1
 what is it with 27.5+ that evryone seems to enjoy, it looks like a crime
  • + 1
 $950 for an aluminum wheelset? Are they on drugs?
  • + 1
 Mondraker top tubes are so uglyy
  • + 1
 Absolutely, I really don't get why they have that little peak towards the headtube they are soo fugly. Surely a straighter line would result in using slightly less tubing thus saving a small amount of weight.

The only purpose I can see for that little sharp upwards protrusion is to land your perenium on when you have a moment off the pedals and go sliding balls (or otherwise) first towards the stem.
  • + 6
 Dong smash technology. Patent pending.
  • + 5
 I think Mondraker are making some of the ugliest trail bikes around at the moment with that examplepurely because of the top tube formation. Some look way better than others, Carbon Foxy for example . The DH bikes aren't too bad tho. Bring on the neg props
  • + 1
 Love a conti up front (maxxis out back). That new conti looks pretty good.
  • - 2
 Mondraker... Looks like a f*ck tard!! Is doing all these frames with gumby top tubes???? Styff buying a new gay looking bike!! Im staying on a 26"
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