DVO Sapphire Forks and Topaz Air Shock - Core Bike 2016

Feb 2, 2016
by Olly Forster  
It doesn't seem all too long ago that DVO burst onto the scene with their striking black and green graphics and head-turning inverted DH fork. Over the last two years, DVO's portfolio has grown to include a DH ready coil shock and a single crown fork with a penchant for enduro and all-mountain riding. There have however been two significant gaps in their lineup - a more 'trail focussed' single crown fork and a complimentary air shock...

2016 DVO Sapphire Fork

DVO's newest single crown offering, the Sapphire, blends all the elements that DVO has become well known for in their burlier Diamond fork, but within a lighter, trail friendly package. Available this summer, the Sapphire looks set to be an exciting addition to the DVO stable.

DVO Sapphire fork


DVO Sapphire fork
OVERVIEW
• Quick Range Low Speed Compression
• With a quick turn of a knob, the low speed circuit is restricted providing a nice platform for climbing
• High Speed Compression Adjust
• Loader style compression provides easy access to the piston & shims for customized tuning
• OTT – Off The Top
• This exclusive and proven DVO design trickles down from the Emerald to deliver precise air spring
• Closed Cartridge Bladder System
• Just like the Jade rear shock, the bladder is compressed rather than expanded offering incredible small bump sensitivity.
SPECIFICATIONS
• Travel: 100mm / 110mm / 120mm / 130mm / 140mm (via internal spacers) Lower Legs: One Piece Magnesium Casting w/ Fender Option
• Stanchions: 32mm Tapered 7000 Series Aluminum
• Drop Outs: QR 110x15mm Axle
• Disc Brake Mount: 74mm Post Mount for 160mm Rotor
• Damper Unit: Diamond Damper Cartridge w/ Bladder Style Compression Unit Adjustability: Rebound, High Speed Compression, 6 Position Low Speed Compression Spring: Air sprung with adjustable negative coil (OTT)
• Steer Tube: 1.5 Tapered Aluminum
• Wheel Options: 26+ / 275 & 275+ / 29
• Offset: 44mm (275/26+) / 51mm (29/275+)
• Colors: Green, Black or Brown
• Weight: 1900g – 275 (includes thru axle and uncut steer tube)
• MSRP – Target $899

DVO Sapphire
Significant weight saving between the Diamond and the Sapphire is evident from the smaller arch and crown design.
DVO Sapphire
You can Boost it if you want to - the Sapphire is available in a number of variations to suit all tastes and needs.

2016 DVO Topaz Air Shock

DVO's long-awaited air shock will be available shortly and looks every bit the archetypical DVO product, oozing style thanks to its CNC machining, gloss black finish, and bright green dials and detailing. Beneath the surface, the Topaz packs an array of adjustments and features, and will be available in 200mm x 50mm, 200mm x 56mm and 215mm x 63mm lengths.

DVO Topaz
Technology and innovation aside, the Topaz air shock is easy on the eyes...

OVERVIEW
• T3 Compression
• Open, Medium, Firm - Quick Range Compression System
• Loader Style Compression
• Compression circuits can be easily removed for custom tuning
• Bladder
• Amazing small bump compliance. No stiction off the top. Seamless transition between rebound and compression.
• Cooling Fins
• Keeps shock running cool even in the harshest conditions
• Air Volume Adjust
• Tunable air can volume /via spacers
SPECIFICATIONS
• Damper Unit: Compression Loader System w/ Bladder
• Adjustability: Rebound, Quick Range Compression (Open, Medium & Firm) & Air Volume Bushing: 15mm Igus Bushings, Mounting Hardware w/ 6mm, 8mm or 10mm Options.
• Spring: Air Spring
• Colors: Black w/ green
• Weight: 330g
• MSRP: $500

DVO Topaz
DVO Topaz


MENTIONS: @DVOSuspension




288 Comments

  • 153 71
 I still can't get past the impression that DVO seem to spend 90% of their budget on marketing, they were selling baseball caps with their logo before they ever even released a suspension product, these products look nice and you can tell a lot of effort has gone into the decals and graphics on them, but in most reviews the general impression seems to be they lack a bit compared to Fox, Mz, Rockshox and even Manitou's offerings - those ridges don't really class as a cooling fin!.... I know this comment will be neg propped out of existence by all their fanboys though lol.
  • 193 14
 ahh I see...so if people disagree with you they are a fanboy....

"We did some back to back runs with the Emerald, a RockShox Boxxer R2C2 (2014) and Fox 40 Float (2015) down the infamous Val di Sole downhill track, and the Emerald gave us noticeably less arm fatigue than the other forks, while providing noticeably better grip than the 40." Bike radar

"Outright suspension performance is up there with the best in the business, so those interested in the ability to fine tune their ride should surely consider the Diamond. The fact that it’s priced competitively and backed by DVO’s impressive customer service helps, too." VitalMTB

We need companies like DVO to keep Fox and RS on their toes. They do generate a lot of hype but as a small company that a key marketing technique, when fighting established competition with big marketing spend.

I run Fox and BOS btw
  • 18 3
 I know what you're saying.. but that shock would match my frame perfectly Big Grin price isn't too bad, I guess
  • 33 1
 I can't believe they waste like 50% total on paying their taxes.
  • 21 7
 I think their graphics are unfortunate I hate to say. The all black forks look alright, I don't care fore the emerald green if I'm being honest and yes I know that is 100% my opinion. As far as I can tell they make good product and they know what they are doing. To suggest the stuff is all hype I think may be off the mark.
  • 70 15
 Fox is absolutely nuts with pricing. BOS scares people away with customer service and söavailability of parts. DVO is heavish and like Formula, people fear of similarities to BOS in service department. Rockshox has no soul. Marzocchi is like Donatella Versace or Berlusconis hair.

Öhlins!!!
  • 5 1
 The brown emerald is the sickest looking fork out there and I believe it's better than the competition. I would love brown anodized parts for my Jade instead of green. The green is a bit over the top for my liking, and not helpful for colour coding.
Apart from the emerald, I think their product line is too samey though. The emerald is a real balls out different product to what everyone else is selling. The diamond is just the same, and so is this fork. The shock too. Not interesting to me at all. There was word that they were working on an upside down single crown fork in the 150-160 travel range a year or so ago though. That is something I would be interested in to complement my Jade @dvosuspension
  • 17 4
 I don't need my fork to contain soul @WAKIdesigns I need it to handle ground control and Rock Shox is at the top of the game. Marzocchi is dead to me... I miss the old days .. if you want to talk about soul....
  • 4 0
 I too would be interested in an inverted single crown, with competitive weight. The Shiver SC, although not terribly stiff, was one of the better damped forks I've ridden, at least until very recent years. @jaame
  • 8 5
 Darkstar - you are joking about the damping of Shiver right? I have it, it's beatiful in many aspects but absolute lack of low speed compression, coped with no possibility to find stiffer springs, makes me prefer Fox Float R or Suntour Auron/Epicon - anytime.
  • 2 0
 Not joking, against other forks of it's time it was nice feel. I didn't have issues with the spring rate, I'm not a big dude though. Marzocchi forks always soft in the initial compression, trade-mark. For it's day, it was nice. I also loved the aesthetic. I would absolutely buy a modern day Shiver.
  • 16 0
 @ WAKI- I thought we had an agreement for no more drinking before you got on here...
  • 68 2
 @ctd07: If we spent 90% of our operating budget on marketing theres no way we could invest and develop our products effectively. We do have a lot of marketing experience and the goal is to have the impression we spend a lot on marketing when in reality its the smallest part of our budget.
  • 11 0
 @DVOSuspension make me an inverted SC !
  • 48 1
 @DARKSTAR63: We are working on it!!
  • 5 3
 @DVOsuspension - would you dare to comment on "the stiffer - the better" dogma? I am no longer sure after I rode a nasty off camber on Shiver SC, in wet, having no problem with staying on my line, while two days after I was repeatedly failing to do so on Fox 36. Same tyre, same bike, the only difference could have been a bit more preload and compression.
  • 21 1
 @WAKIdesigns: stiffer is better but only in the right places but a lot of people just have the "stiffer is better" concept in their heads and thats it. What you experienced with the Shiver SC is the exact reason why we love inverted forks, they do track better in most conditions and offer better overall feel.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns I've had good success tuning Shiver compression by changing oil weight. Old school moto fork, old school moto tricks. be prepared to get super detailed with it, though: I ended up mixing 8.5 wt oil to get mine right at one point.
  • 4 2
 groghunter - I used Motorex 10WT anticipating that. Still. Not enough preload, and waaaay too divey. No point to stand up and sprint at all, and here if you ain't sprinting, you ain't playing Big Grin
  • 9 2
 Have you guys forgot about xfusion? The revel hlr looks dope and isn't over priced. My 2 cents.
  • 8 1
 The Revel?? What a joke. It doesn't even exist. They keep moving back the release date. I cancelled my order and moved on. By the time it's released we will probably have hover bikes.
  • 3 1
 haha that is true. but if selling some hats and shirts in order to make profit to put towards making new products is what they had to do so be it. As a bike shop owner i had to market my shop name a little before i was able to start keeping parts and inventory. They were testing the waters to make sure there was a demand. And after buying my first DVO Diamond fork about 4 months ago. The only complaint i would have is i would like to see more tire clearance and a axle system that is a bit easier to use. But i for sure plan to buy more from them in the future starting with one of those air shocks for my Devinci Troy.
  • 2 4
 Have you looked at the xfusion revel? Similar damper to a charger and up to 160 travel, worth a look at I'd say ????
  • 9 1
 That's great, BUT IT DOESNT ACTUALLY EXIST.
  • 6 0
 @ctd07 From what I can see from the photos, those fins roughly double the surface area... The whole point of a cooling fin is to create a larger surface area so the heat can be removed more easily.
  • 11 0
 @AlexRose: you're spot on there, an increase in surface area is an increase in surface area & that helps disperse heat (energy).
  • 19 1
 If you handle the DVO forks, you can see they are well designed with a lot of thought going into their design. I own a Emerald and have a Diamond on the way. There are a few factors that push me towards DVO over Fox and Rockshox:

1) DVO will talk to me and help me directly rather than tell me to "go through my local dealer". My dealer is 1000 miles away.
2) I can easily tune DVO suspension to work the way I want.
3) I CAN PERFORM A FULL SERVICE ON DVO FORKS IN MY GARAGE without spending hundreds of dollars on special tools. When I have 10 bikes between mine, my son's and my wife's, this adds up to over $1,000 a year in savings.

The only other suspension company that operates this way is Manitou, which is why we run a Dorado on his DH bike and Mattoc on his trail bike. I would have run the same setup, but was concerned about flex and support as my fat ass is 225 pounds and the Dorado has a midrange support issue for heavy riders (supposedly fixed with the new air spring upgrade option) and flex concerns with the Mattoc.
  • 16 0
 @carym: Thanks for your kind words and we are stoked to have you on our products! As always, we are just a phone call away and let us know how you like your Diamond!
  • 1 1
 That sucks, atleast they're trying to do it right rather than rushing it. I hope.
  • 14 0
 Respect to @DVOSuspension actually getting in amongst it in the comments is awesome and for me at least shows us you care about your image and products (which are properly awesome inside and out)!
  • 4 1
 A few things... I like the decals, but I hate the green-only-bits attitude. As a retailer, I'd rather see a decal kit with some color options and all-black anno. I could sell more product if customers didn't have to deal with GREEN. If you had an all-black option, I could stock a fork that people would want! I stock Fox and RockShox, but with decal kits. I can't get away with decals when all your alloy bits are fucking lime green.... For the arm-chair pinkbikers, if you have not ridden a DVO, do not comment on anything. Even with dumb green bits, they are some of the sweetest, small-company, best products available. If you call them, a human picks up the phone. If you have a tech question, you'd better have 10 minutes to listen to the answer!
  • 2 2
 Hi,

I wrote your Support 2 weeks ago because of an issue with my new Jade. I still have no answer ;-) Wohle Be nice if you helped me Outlook or gave me an Email adress,that someone of you guys actually uses B-)
  • 3 1
 Id like to apologise DVO, for my comment being at the top of your product release, hardly the the kind of negative crap you want everyone reading first in the comments... My frustration comes from all the new standards constantly being forced on the market, such as boost... Lets face it, the majority of people who buy this fork aftermarket will have to buy a new hub, couldn't you have just gone to 20x110mm and made everyone happy? A lot of people wouldn't have even needed new wheels and the stiffness gains would probably as good or better!
I know you obviously dont spend 90% of your budget on marketing, that probably goes on tax lol, I was using an exaggerated statement.
As for the cooling fins they no doubt do their job, I was a small engine and 2stroke mechanic for 7 years so I know how they work and what they do, but they look more like some 'cool idea' added as an afterthought that didn't change the shape or size of the product and made an extra selling point, a bit like a certain speaker mfr from my hometown finding some spare knurled sheet alloy and making a speaker case out of it 'because it looked cool', then the marketing dept then marketed it as a 'diamond lattice acoustic dampening matrix' or something like that and selling it for £2000 more :-@
  • 2 4
 @DVOSuspension
Please read My Mail and answer my request. Would be great, I am waiting for 2 weeks for a reply of yours :-/
  • 1 0
 It's almost become vaporware at this point, hasn't it?
  • 4 0
 @ctd07: no worries buddy, its all good!

IN regards to your comments/questions: as a manufacturer we also feel the frustration by these new ever changing new standards, it causes a massive disruption in the marketplace that ripples through the manufacturers all the way to the end users and its really up to the end users to decide if it really makes sense or not. For us, going to boost 110 wasn't something we wanted to do, we aren't like SRAM or Fox with deep corporate pockets and endless cash to do changes just because but we had to follow the "trend" due to the OEM demand/trend with boost. We can say that probably 95% of the people we talk to are only making/needing 15X110 for suspension forks and thats the reason why we are currently delivering this option. We do have a couple new longer travel forks in the works that may have a adaptable 15/20mm axle system which will satisfy all of our customer base. Cheers, DVO!
  • 3 0
 @DVOSuspension - on another hand, standards are such a mess right now, that you can simply go ahead and make 30x120 axle for your (hopefully upcoming) single crown USD fork and no one will really blame you. I mean, if you feel that it would make it better. At least as long as your hub making partner in crime can make a hub for reasonable money. SRAM has really messed it up with predictive steering hub costing more than DT Swiss 240s...
  • 1 0
 I'm with Waki. You should just make up whatever standard you want. Everyone else does. Come up with something "revolutionary" that customers want and the rest of the industry won't have a choice. Be a leader, not a follower!
  • 2 0
 @DVOSuspension

Any plans for a long travel fork that can use a 20mm axle and has a travel dropper feature?
  • 3 0
 @DVOSuspension

Hello!
If you do a long travel fork that has a travel dropper feature, I'll mention DVO in my prayers on the first position. Smile
  • 1 0
 Don't listen ???? to this guy green is the best. Toooo many all black bikes out there. Gold is what sux as does orange. Make green stanchions like I've seen in Moto.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Remember the Foes Curnutt XTD? That one used the 30mm hub.
  • 1 0
 @Lurch420: That's exactly what is missing in the market, a 1600mm inverted SC fork running 20mm hub. I've had two Shiver SCs (2002 and 2005), two dorados DC (2004 and 2005) and one DNM and Inverted forks rule. Unfortunately for the mid range all-mountain style SCs (160mm) there's nothing out there. Only X-fusion is (supposedly) making them but only a few have actually arrived to the public and from what I've heard it was only because the contumers had factory accounts and stuff like that, so we can forget about the Revel. So, @DVOSuspension, when can we expect some news in that department from your side?
  • 19 0
 They marked the steerer... But did they mark a centre line on the back? If not there may still be time for my patent!
  • 29 0
 A mark on the back would be spot on for people like me who seem to be incapable of lining up stems with front wheels. Lost count the number of times I've built a bike set off and about 5 minutes in realised the stem is on the piss and the steering isn't straight. Didn't think I was particularly boss eyed but maybe that would explain my penchant for trees.
  • 4 0
 Good idea..would make life easier...and setting up faster and something less to worry about.
  • 4 0
 @veero I've got a tip for you because my wheels were always on the piss too. Line up the back of the bars parallel with the fork crown. You can get a good line of sight at that angle, rather than looking at the tyre or bars
  • 4 0
 Ftw. I have tried frickin Lazers and all sort to line up stem and forks.
  • 7 0
 Get something like a wooden dowel that won't scratch your stanchions. Place said object on your fork crown, against both stanchions. Ta dah! You now just have to get your bars, and something else that's just as long and straight to line up. I use half of my kayak paddle, perfect alignment every time!
  • 2 1
 Sounds like a great idea. The Specialized Sirrus already has a little indicating arrow on the steer tube used to align the handlebars. I'm not sure if it is the same thing, but it might be something to take into consideration, because having Specialized chase you down is the last thing you want! Good luck!
  • 1 0
 Wicked good publicity though!
  • 13 0
 So when rockshox,Bos,fox, manitou release a new product I don't see them spending time (which is money in the corporate world) to say thank you to their supporters and to answer questions that their audience has asked. In my opinion the best marketing is to be involved while building a relationship with consumers one on one versus marketing to the masses. *applause* dvo.
  • 8 0
 Thanks! The best way to keep our products relevant is to listen to the market, take everyones feedback whether it be good, bad, or ugly and adjust the company and its products accordingly. Cheers, DVO!
  • 17 1
 Looking good DVO!!! Can't wait for the ride reviews
  • 7 2
 Thanks!
  • 13 0
 Dvo is one of the friendliest and most service oriented companies period . They spent a whole afternoon with my friend tuning his suspension. I wish more brands were like DVO !
  • 1 0
 Thanks Kore Bike!
  • 10 0
 Just ride it and see for yourself 9/10 you'll love the DVO suspension. The others are just loyal haters. Garunteed fact as true as earths gravity
  • 8 1
 That's right Yazzie!
  • 3 0
 Put a diamond and jade on my nomad and couldn't be happier. I called with a question and the owner answered. He was more than happy to answer my questions and took the time to make sure I was happy with their product. Highly impressed with product and customer service. Thanks DVO.
  • 2 0
 You're welcome James410 and thanks for riding DVO!
  • 7 0
 Anyone else notice the 26plus option? I have a sneaking suspicion this'll be the new standard du jour, fitting plus sized tires into normal 27.5 in frames
  • 2 1
 That confused me, is it 26" compatible or not? (With a regular volume tyre).
  • 2 0
 yes it is, even if you have to take into consideration that it isn't build for that, and that it can vary your bike's geometry.
  • 4 0
 I was strongly encouraged by Marz's cappuccino/mocha/espresso coating color scheme. Was hoping for DVO to possibly license that from them when they went under. Way better than gold Kashima.

I've yet to ride anything from DVO though since I refuse to give up my 20mm front axle.
  • 6 2
 Smaller companies should get more recognition. I've got the Diamond forks and they're awesome. DVO links with silverfish and their customer service is ace.
  • 5 1
 Thanks klerric and definitely agree with you!
  • 6 1
 Having had pikes and 2015 36's I can honestly say the Diamond is the current top dog in my book.
  • 4 0
 Thanks buddy!
  • 4 0
 the rear shox might be useful but can't do with the non 20mm axle, too bad. i don't know why they can't just make an adaptor like bike frame axle adaptors.
  • 3 0
 Can we all please hand it to @DVOSuspension never once in a fox reveal have i seen them answer the comments, never mind give insight as to what might be in the works. Again thanks
  • 2 0
 You're welcome and thank you!
  • 2 0
 Like all of us, I love good banter about suspension products. Probably the second most expensive thing we fork out for (no pun intended) after buying a new bike.

After reading the recent post about 'new standards' by Pinkbike, I'd have to say that its pretty fu-king amazing to see @DVOSuspension in the comment feed talking to us all.

Isn't this what we want? Companies listening to our 'ten cents'?

I say MAD PROPS to DVO.

Respect the customer and the sales will follow.
  • 3 0
 Thanks buddy, we here at DVO do listen to everyone and it will always stay that way. We attend a lot of events, we ride with a lot of our customers and everyones feedback goes into making a better product as well as a better company. As the owner of DVO I always make myself available to everyone who wants to talk about bikes, its the pleasure of being in the bike industry and doing what we love, we aren't a faceless corporate juggernaut and don't have any plans to head in that direction! Cheers, Bryson Martin/DVO!
  • 2 0
 DVO has been AWESOME to my family, not only as far as performance, but support as well! My son runs an Emerald on his M-16 and is in love with it, I have a DVO Tracer that I feel rides smoother than any of the other suspension combination Tracers I rode, and I was fortunate to ride a lot. The most impressive aspect to DVO is their service, they are there to help you with a question, dial in your settings, and for us being on the west coast, we see them at the races fixing issues, like when my son wadded up his fork at Bootleg. The DVO crew had his fork repaired, reseated, and serviced before we could make it back from getting stiches so he was able to race and make the podium! Thanks again DVO you guys are the BEST!
  • 3 0
 Fender mount included so that you don't have to zip tie a cheap bit of plastic to a $700 fork!

When will the other companies wise up too.
  • 1 0
 Suntour is doing it on a few new forks too
  • 2 0
 Out of curiosity, why aren't ALL forks upside down? They've been upside down in motocross so long people think they're right side up. Less unsprung weight = good, right? What's the idea?
  • 1 7
flag faul (Feb 2, 2016 at 9:13) (Below Threshold)
 Unsprung weight is BS and USD forks have more unsprung weight than an equivalent right side up fork. No motor on mountain bike, and super light forks that need to be slighly stiff.
  • 2 0
 Lol usd forks do have less unsprung weight bud I don't know where your getting your info.
  • 4 2
 "unsprung weight is bs" ....? What, like a conspiracy? haha
  • 3 0
 Unsprung weight on a fork is nothing compared to the weight of your wheel, let alone it's inertia. So marginal gains on the forks don't do anything.
And magnesium cast lowers are super light compared to aluminium stanchions and aluminium or magnesium dropout on USD forks. Like 50/100g at least in favor of non-usd designs.
There is USD forks in MX because they can be heavier, and they need more frontal stifness and more bushing overlap due to their powerful motor.
In mtb, we also need more torsional stifness than frontal compared to MX, so USD forks won't be the norm unless they improve the torsionnal stifness. Like putting two lefty forks, so it make a full and stiff USD fork.
  • 1 0
 Lol im guessing you've never ridden an usd fork. My shiver is the best feeling fork ive ever ridden. The unsprung weight difference is totally noticeable. Ive ridden quite a few forks including 888's and boxxers and they don't even come close to comparing with the small bump sensitivity on the shiver, not to mention they are basically bombproof with minimal maintenance unlike most of the junk shoxs out there today that need serviced every 5 hours lol
  • 2 0
 I rode shiver SC, shiver DC, and a dorado.
I also have a domain SC with a custom open bath cartridge that ride batter than any other fork i rode.
Small bumb sensitivity has nothing to do with unsprung weight. if unsprung weight do something, it's avoiding wheel to bounce.
bushing overlap, quality made fork, less torsionnal stifness, low damping, are what makes your fork good over small bumbs. unsprung weight is a legend told to children.
Takes your shivert apart, weight the lowers/dropout. they'll probably weight 750g-850g (shiver SC has 700g lowers). Boxxer lowers are in 650g range, argyle's lowers weight 630g. Less unsprung weight, you said?
An don't forget each bump has to lift a 2kg wheel/tire/brake disc/caliper, let alone 1/3 of the oil and 1/6 of the coil spring
  • 1 0
 I never said the unsprung weight had anything to do with the small bump sensitivity lol. Its my opinion that it feels better because the fork is inverted it seems like there is alot less stiction in the shiver and as for being flexy, it's never been an issue for me although I'm not the heaviest rider either at only 170lbs so that could play a factor into the flex.
  • 1 0
 The uppers on my forks are alot heaver than my lowers there for less unsprung weight, the lowers weigh more than the uppers on a normal fork therefore more insprung weight. I never argued the fact that the fork itswlf is heavier im not a weight nut
  • 5 0
 Just to summarize this thought on Upside Down designs versus conventional: our take is that USD forks can offer lower unsprung weight but only if they're down correctly, but the weight saving is marginal because of the light weight of magnesium castings are quite low. The reason why USD systems generally feel better and offer more traction really has to do with compliance or flex, simply, the wheel is allowed to follow the terrain better in a torsional direction. Also, the psychical design of a USD fork where the smaller tubes telescope into the larger upper tubes is a much better design when it comes to bushing loading and static friction.....the down side is weight and cost. So our thoughts on this is to produce both versions, upside down and right side up and let the people decide what they prefer to ride, so expect some exciting new products coming out soon! Cheers, DVO!
  • 2 1
 Marketing 101 as per Jason Stoddard of Schiit Audio (which interestingly is located only a few miles from DVO):

1) Don't announce products ahead of time as your customers will hold off buying what you are manufacturing now in order to purchase the latest and greatest.
2) Don't announce products ahead of time as it will give your competition an opportunity to develop a competing product at the same time and minimize your competitive advantage.
3) Don't announce products ahead of time, as invariably between now and your intended release date, you will have to redesign something or a part will be late resulting in delays, then the customers in 1 above will go buy another product.

In short, don't announce products until you are sure when they will be shipping. Smile
  • 6 0
 @carym: In general your marketing 101 outline is correct, but Ive done all this before, I made a carbon upside down fork called the RAC and another single crown alloy fork called the Shiver SC over a decade ago, its all been done before. Any Blue Ocean products will definitely be kept a little quiet prior to be leaked out mainly to provide a competitive advantage over our competitors. The main thing Ive learned in this new business environment is that all that I learned about marketing over these years and especially during my MBA years is that there are no hard rules to follow....I'd rather have an open dialogue with my customer base and let them know DVO is developing cool new products.
  • 1 0
 I can't even imagine undertaking such a capital intensive project of starting a new company.
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension

Although marketing 101 seems right for the manufacturer, the buyer which ultimately supports the company should also get some information on what's next. In theory, like carym said, this could kill the sell of one Diamond today. But also, it could make another hold off the purchase of a product from a concurrent brand, to buy later from DVO. So at a greater level I think this is evening out, and the bonus for DVO is that it can preserve and grow its open attitude towards customers. I think long term trust is better than only looking at today's sales. And with suspension being probably the part which has the most impact on a bikes handling, capability and fun factor, the customer should be able to make educated decisions.
  • 2 1
 was hoping to see a longer fork travel options and 36 stanchions, and would prefer to have and High / Low Speed Compression Adjust option on the new Topaz Air similar to Jade, don't want Sram boost, simple 110 x 20mm flex free spacing has always worked perfect.
  • 2 1
 uhh... isn't 110mm considered boost? And the diamond doesn't count I guess.
  • 1 0
 We are working on it, should be out towards the end of the year.
  • 1 0
 look forward to it, thanks for getting back DVO
  • 1 0
 @DVOSuspension What are the arguments in favour of the Topaz against my current Monarch Plus Debon Air and the bit more exotic EXT Storia?
I'm looking for a replacement the coming season and want to support a smaller brand instead of Fox and RS.
  • 6 0
 The Topaz uses our Emerald piston design with a generous use of shims which offer a stable and consistent compression feel. The Topaz will run cooler than any other shock out there and therefore be more consistent as well as increase its reliability. The bladder system offer greater small bump sensitivity as opposed to a IFP which takes a lot of force to get it moving and our air can is optimized for the new leverage curves we are seeing on the new bikes coming out. Cheers, DVO!
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 Thanks! Doesn't make my decision easier - both shocks with good small bump sensitivity (coil/30PSI IFP or Air/bladder) and both easily customisable.
Kudos for your marketing and your user focused business model!
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 Thanks!
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 @DVOsuspension I hope that you will create a 20mm axle fork! Most of us still run them and its what keeps up from buying your stuff. I am a Zoke fan and I've own 3 Italian made when you guys still run them.
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 Thanks @atomicaxl07! At this time we are busy getting our current list of products out and some our current designs may include a 20/15mm adaptable design and thanks for supporting us at Marzocchi!
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 @DVOSuspension this is great news for me today! My brother loves his Diamond and I am getting ready to switch to a full DVO suspension package for my Nomad as well...just waiting for the air shock. Here it is! I had the latest 36 HSLS fork in 170mm and an X2. They felt dead so I went for the Pike/Monarch Plus combo...which was a massive improvement, but I have a good feeling about this package. Can't wait! Cheers.
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 Awesome!
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 Pretty sure putting the Diamond and Jade combo on my Bronson turned it into a new animal. My confidence went through the roof and I have found myself hitting bigger drops and going faster through the rock gardens. I would recommend DVO for anyone looking for a better ride. Also, the fact that Bryson and the crew are always up for a ride doesn't hurt. Where else are you going to get the founder and engineers of a company riding with just every day people?
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 Thanks buddy, its cause we love what we do and you can't loose sight on why you do things in the first place. Cheers!
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 I'm pretty sure these brought sexy back, not Justin Timberlake.
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 Damn straight!
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 "MSRP – Target $899"

DVO sell their products at Target now? Razz
  • 4 4
 Surely most will opt for Öhlins new kit but that's not to say DVO kit doesn't look/sound promising.

The saphire would do great on my bike but want to keep adjustments simple and less is more (except Bos) when it comes to trickery knobs.
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 I have ridden the Diamond, a 36 and the Pike. The Diamond is just better. Slightly, but smoother and more progression. I own a Pike and am happy, but the DVO is a overall better performing fork.
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 Thanks!
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 @DVOSuspension been wondering this for awhile but would i notice much difference running a 26 inch wheel on a 27.5 fork? i know the offsets are different but are they different enough to notice?
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 You can definitely run the 26" wheel in the 27.5" fork and with ample tire clearance for larger volume tires. The axle to crown will be a bit taller which slightly slackens your head angle but thats about it.
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 Beta testing the Sapphire boost 29" fork right now. Reduced to 120mm the fork works better than my Fox 34 out of the gate. Pretty amazing so far.
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 DVO suspension and Industry 9 are the only companies that stand out and get active on comments and forums. Thanks for being a great company, and changing the industry when it comes to customer service. WE all needed it.
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 Thanks buddy, like we said before, its great to spend the time to chat with everyone and get their feedback!
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 @DVOSuspension that sapphire will be my next fork. I'll be very happy to get a quality 110mm to replace my Reba rl and your hated green will match my carbon Zaskar quite nicely.
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 Well, @lifeofloon we look forward to having you ride DVO & you'll be stoked on the performance of the Sapphire!
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 I have to say the shock looks the business!
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 Thanks!
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 Wheres my my wallet?!
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 Dammit - I just checked, and my wallet is full of Canadian dollars... ewwww!!
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 lol
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 ill take them if you don't want them
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 If my remedy didn't have its proprietary shock length this would be in my bike in a heartbeat
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 you can run a monarch on the remedy.
  • 2 0
 Wish they could release products without ano green ? Colour matching OCD issues
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 Seconded. Anodized brown would be rude.
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 @jaame- f*ck yes it would be, my son. Brown would be too rude
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 Buy a Canfield and it'll match
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 Is that Topaz shock intended for downhill? Would it be the wrong shock for my Norco sight???
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 The Topaz is intended for aggressive riding which would include some DH! But, at this time our longest eye-to-eye length is 8.5 X 2.5 and it would work sweet on your Norco Sight!
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 Isn't the Sight shock length 7.875 x 2.25? It's the Range that is 8.5 x 2.5.
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 Also, piggyback shocks won't work on a Sight. From Norco: "No, they do not fit. The reservoir (piggyback) will contact the downtube at full compression resulting in a damaged frame which is not covered under warranty."
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 DVOSuspension- thanks, brother!
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 @chezotron- oh really?! that's good to know!! definitely wouldn't want that issue! I wonder if I could run a CC dbonair or a Fox float X2 on it???? Basically, I would eventually want to change the stock, Fox LV EVol that's on it for a better shock!!
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 I think you're bound to a single reservoir shock like the CC Inline or EVol(which is supposed to be amazing) or the Debonair.
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 Stay the hell away from cc in lines ???? reliability is terrible and initial performance is sub par too.
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 Shame on me, but the second I saw 32mm sanctions I moved on. Maybe DVO has some magic that prevents that bad boy from flexing all over the place.
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 Its not just the stanchion size that will determine the flex, but rather, the entire structure (steer tube, crown, stanchion size, stanchion wall thickness, magnesium casting design, and axle/drop-out interface). The new Boost 110mm wheel spacing also adds in a serious amount of stiffness to the entire assembly and thats why we went with a 32mm diameter over a 34mm diameter. Keep in mind that this fork is more for trail/aggressive riding and 34mm stanchion diameter combined with the new 110mm wheel/hub spacing can be overkill.
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 Truth. been examples of this for years. 32mm stanchions get a bad rap because in FOX's implementation, they're flexy(but light, which is what FOX was optimizing for,) but RS has been quietly making Revelations for years, which people don't complain about at all. Both DT Swiss & Magura only offer 32mm stanchions.

Don't ask what size stanchions are. Ask "is the fork flexy, or not, for a rider at my weight & riding style?"
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 Exactly groghunter, we did build a 120mm travel, 34mm stanchioned boost fork and it was too stiff, the front end was nervous and skated all over the trail. The 32mm version was much more stable and traction, bump absorption, and overall handling was much better.
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 RS pikes are so flexy that we can suck air into the neg. air side past the piston on big hits. It is also a plastic air piston. @DVOsuspension your air piston metal or plastic?
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 @MX298: we do use a delrin piston to keep things sliding smoothly under pressure but we don't have issues when it comes to flex. Our chassis, stanchions, and overall structure is engineered as an entire unit with an even flex pattern.
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 My argyle is 32mm and it's spot on at 120mm trav
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 Damn. Topaz + Diamond = possibly serious fun?
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 Yes it is!
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 Looks like a very cool fork and shock.
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 Thank you!
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 I have a DVO Dimond on my Giant reign 2015 and I couldnt be happier with it costumer service 100% blew out my fork the third ride and was fixed in one day no charge!!!!!
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 Thanks for riding DVO!
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 Hell yeah DVO! I've been waiting for that Topaz forever. I love my Emerald and Dimond. You guys kick ass!
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 Thanks buddy!
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 Release the Topaz already pleeease! My Diamond is the best fork I've ridden and I want that in the back too!
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 @DVOSuspension The article says the Topaz is offered in a 200mm x 56mm??? Was that a typo? I am assuming it should have read 200mm x 57mm....
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 Yes, 200X57 is the correct dimension, must of been a typo.
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 @DVOsuspension WILL THERE BE A 216x63 TO FIT MY SPARTAN??? WANT TO MATCH IT TO MY DIAMOND!
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 Yes! We have a Topaz on our Spartan here in house and its feeling fine!
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 What about 8.25x2.375 for my Slash? Stupid trek and their random ass sizes...
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 @whattheheel: For the Trek size, this is a real problem for us cause its only specific to Trek and it means we must tool up on a lot of specific parts, we are considering it though!
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 I'll put out if you do...
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 Ok, we will try!
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 Can't wait to get one! I've been holding off on a tracer because I wanted dvo, but wasn't sure about a coil rear on an am bike.
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 We have a lot of riders using the Jade on their AM/Enduro bikes with a lot of praise. It really depends on the type of riding you're doing and what you personally prefer.
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 Something with 32mm stanchions that's only 20 grams lighter than my Fox 36 is disappointing at best.
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 @DVOsuspension i have a dream about DVO 180mm SC fork 26/27.5 ready and air shock for dh/fr long travel bikes, can you made that dream come true?
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 Working on it!
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 @dvosuspension does the air spring in the topaz have a position based variable negative spring such as vorsprung corset it newer fox air can? Cheers guys.
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 Yes its a similar design which can be independently tuned, Cheers!
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 Rad Smile You guys have a new customer! Thanks for feedback.
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 "Just like the Jade rear shock, the bladder is compressed rather than expanded offering incredible small bump sensitivity."

Huh? Whats this mean?
Is the bladder infact a balloon full of gas? Cos if it is, its been tried. It sucks. If not, then what is it? And whats it got to do with small bump? It's not like forks have IFP's...
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 It is in fact like you described, although filled with air rather than gas. Allegedly it was done for durability reasons; The design is supposed to be under less stress and last longer.
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 If you ever worked on Charger dampers, you'll know that they are bled to be neutral at 0mm. I'm pretty sure you can bleed them with a bit less damper oil to achieve roughly the same effect though..
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 Problem is bladders are porus. Put compressed gas in there, and it will come out. So A) you lose back pressure, and B) your damping oil gets full of gas.

Chargers work by filling a bladder with oil under pressure. This is a much better idea. AND doesn't give you any worse small bump performance whatsoever. Not quite the same in rear shocks where the ifp tends to have hundreds of psi behind it and DOES reduce small bump. But this is a fork.

Putting a bladder full of gas at hundreds of psi in a rear shock does give you nice small bump. But only for about ten hours, by which time all the gas is now in your damping oil.
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 The DVO design IS NOT under pressure - 0 psi when it's installed. It's simply there as a membrane to keep the oil and air seperate. The design is 0 friction unlike an IFP and does not stretch the rubber membrane out repeatedly like the Charger.
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 ninjatarian, you ninja'd a post before mine somehow. Was replying to gab
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 yup, but its under +ve pressure while the fork is compressed. During this compression, air will leak through the membrane. Not a prob on chargers as the oil is at higher pressure than the air at all times.

The DVO design does flex the membrane repeatedly. It doesn't stretch it, but there is no problem with stretching a charger bladder. It causes no extra friction. Maybe a tiny increase in spring rate, but no friction. I see no advantages to the DVO design over the charger design, but i do see disadvantages...
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 The Charged damper stretching the rubber repeatedly wears the bladder out requiring periodic replacement. That's what DVO was trying to avoid with their design, and thus was the point of my first response to your question. Charger bladder vs DVO bladder has nothing to do with sensitivity, just durability.

And there is no way regular breathing air is going to force its way through a rubber membrane at what, maybe 5 psi when compressed? That's nothing.
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 Wears the bladder out?
After how many thousand years is this? Razz

Yes the air will go through the membrane, at any +ve pressure. It just goes through faster as the pressure increases.
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 Apparently it's enough of an issue that Manitou also tossed the stretching bladder idea out in favor of something like DVOs design, but with closed cell foam instead of an air filled pouch. Anyway, I was really just trying to give an answer to your question since you seemed confused. I don't have a horse in this race or a personal opinion on which is better. You clearly have your mind made up though, which is fine. DVO seems to be getting along just fine without your personal engineering support.
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 Hey man, no anger here. Just discussing.... The gas filled bladder idea has been done in moto. You end up with a deflated bladder and foamy oil. Yes this is is rear shocks where the pressures are higher, but the science is the same. Rubber is porous. There is no getting round this. Leave a balloon lying about for a few weeks and you will find eventually the pressure inside the balloon balances with outside.
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 @ninjatarian "filled with air rather than gas" Air isn't gas, then? o.O

@gabriel-mission9 What's "+ve pressure"? Is that supposed to mean positive?
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 I believe Manitou uses an open cell foam. Closed cell foam would not absorb displaced oil.
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 yup. meant positive. as in the air is at higher pressure than its surroundings. Which i have just realised isn't strictly true, as its surroundings are what is supplying the pressure....

its good to discuss stuff. makes you see things differently

So yeah there really is no reason for air to leak out of the bladder in this instance. Cheers pedro

*edit* still not much stopping it from migrating out tho, so I can imagine you would still get air bubbles in the oil. But yes it would take far longer than I previously thought. replace the bladder every couple years perhaps. Still don't really imagine a charger or fox bladder ever needs replacing unless it is damaged during servicing, or over/under filled.
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 @gabriel-mission9 Haha, you're welcome, glad I could be of service, even though I only wanted to point out that not fully typing out "positive" is super lazyBig Grin
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 I am indeed ++lazy
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 @Pedro404 "Gas" usually implies a specific or straight blend of something like nitrogen, argon, oxygen, or whatever. Air is an unknown mixture of any number of naturally occurring gases as well as things that aren't gas, like water. In the industrial world it's own entity and is not referred to as gas.

@lccomz Manitou uses closed cell foam. The foam doesn't absord any oil (they want the air to stay trapped in the foam), it just compresses down to make room for oil.
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 I've got a jade shock and from memory the bladder is inflated to 120-180psi
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 the bladder "was" inflated to 120-180psi Razz
  • 2 1
 My daughter has a helium balloon in her bedroom that has been inflated for several years. Maybe they used that kind of material for the bladder?
  • 1 3
 sorta silver foily material? No good. Too fragile I should imagine. Schwalbe have brought out those new inner tubes that I think I read lose pressure much more slowly than normal? Or did I imagine that? Something along those lines might be good, although again they lose pressure slowly rather than not at all.
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 @gabriel-mission9: Bladders are and have been used for many years, especially in motocross, and they really don't suck. There are a lot of positives to bladders especially the increase in small bump sensitivity when compared to an IFP. We don't use nitrogen gas in the bladders in production, its not a bad idea but we use air, for race shocks we do sometimes use nitrogen gas and then only advantage to that is that gas has a larger bubble as compared to air and thats really it.
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 Nitrogen is not effected by temperature. I have seen many MX shock bladders used for years that never leak. So @DVOsuspension your new shock is a shim stack piston shock?
  • 2 1
 Preach dvo! Öhlins uses similar tech and has done for years in various sports, good shit when it's done right!
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 @MX298: Yes we use piston/shims on all our designs, besides our years of experience at Marzocchi, our back ground is motocross based and its the only way to go!
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 @DVOSuspension "we do sometimes use nitrogen gas and then only advantage to that is that gas has a larger bubble as compared to air and thats really it"

What do you mean by a larger bubble? A bubbles size is not really related to the gas it is made up of....
Are you referring to molecule size? The size of an O2 molecule isn't that far from the size of an N2 molecule and they are both extremely small. The advantage of using nitrogen in a shock is it is more temperature stable, and less likely to corrode the inner workings of your shock due to airs moisture content. I don't understand why you claim otherwise given your experience with shocks...

Yes a bladder improves small bump over an ifp system, but forks don't use ifp's so I don't really get how that is relevant. BOS produced a fork with an ifp a while back but they dropped it pretty quickly.

Bladders have been tried in moto, and they allow the nitrogen (a slightly larger molecule than o2 if we're nit picking) to diffuse into the damping oil. O2 will do the same, if not very slightly worse. Yes this is a pretty small issue in forks, but a bladder has no advantage in a fork. In a shock where there is the small bump improvment, this is negated by the fact that the air gets into the oil.

Have you done anything to rectify this problem in rear shocks?

What is the reason you chose to go down the compressed bladder use in forks?
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 A Nitrogen bubble is larger than an air bubble, therefore the ability to escape through the air valve or a seal is much less. Heat in our system isn't really an issue so Nitrogen would be an added expense that would result in very little benefit to the consumer. Bladders are still used in moto especially at the highest levels of competition and we do have a lot of past experience in the moto/supercross arena and we haven't seen any reason NOT to use a bladder system.
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 "A Nitrogen bubble is larger than an air bubble, therefore the ability to escape through the air valve or a seal is much less."

Saying a nitrogen bubble is bigger than an air bubble makes literally no sense. You may as well say a bit of rope is longer than a bit of string. Its nonsense.

A nitrogen molecule is a tiny tiny bit larger than an o2 molecule, but both are tiny. Yes nitrogen will diffuse through the bladder a tiny bit slower, but it really wont make much difference at all. The actual advantage of nitrogen is its temperature stability and the fact that it is relatively pure so won't cause corrosion.

What is the reason you chose to go down the compressed bladder route in forks?
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 @gabriel-mission9 I have changed the oil in lots of MX shocks and unless one of the components failed (seal or bladder) I have never seen gas in the oil. You will feel it. And do you know what nitrogen pressure is used and why in MX shocks? So the bladder (separate air and oil) thing it forks is provin in the charger damper which everyone seems to love. Air is 78% nitrogen!
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 @MX298: Spot on there!
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 Armchair engineering can only go so far. I'm 100% sure these DVO guys have tinkered and experimented with a SHITTON of ideas and prototypes by this point... I'd put a lot more trust into DVO's marketing before comparing it to Rockshox/Fox/etc
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 @theminsta: Thanks buddy, we do have a shit ton of experience making this stuff and we spend a lot of time testing all kinds of designs and concepts, the down side to that is it takes a while to get our products to market cause we are constantly testing and changing things! The best aspect to this is that we are a small organization & love to make the best products we can, we don't have the huge marketing budgets like this big guys do, we can't afford to sponsor big teams and run massive ad campaigns so all of our funds go into designing and developing great reliable products that really do perform at the highest levels of our sport. For us word of mouth is much more important than big teams and huge ad campaigns, so far its working out pretty good for us! Cheers, DVO!
  • 2 0
 But the real question we all really want to know is: Does Ronnie still have that cheeseburger from Mcdonald's from years ago??? Inquiring minds need to know!!!
  • 1 0
 The cheeseburger still lives!
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 I am following you. You need to upload pic soon!!! How about those sweet capri's of yours? Wink
  • 2 1
 For riders by riders. Should be enough to transmit confidence for all of you guys. Now let’s see if it’s reliable…
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 Yes that is our slogan and we are riders who do build suspension for riders, its not just a snazzy marketing concept but something that really does exist.
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 I like designing forks and shocks that I get to ride! I also love to see our customers smiles when they ride our products. It makes all the hard work worth it! Ride on!
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 Yes they look cool. But sorry dvo has the worst customer service ever. I have emerald dh for 26 and now just got new emerald 27.5" for wirks good looks good but custoner service is the worst ever. I had to write 5 emails to get some answers. And ob last few i havent got any answear and its almost 8 weeks past.
I hope some of dvo people will read this comment and start to understand that they cant sell such hight $$ product and have such a suck service.
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 @elmars, to hear this is a real bummer cause we hold in high regard our customers service operations. Please email or call us at the USA office, email: johnp@dvosuspension.com or +1-661-295-9500 and we will get to the bottom of your issue.
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 elmars: if you tried contacting anyone in France to help you with service I will be honest and say our support in France SUCKS! We just hired a new service partner to resolve this past issue and please email us so we can direct you to our new service company so we can get you sorted. DVO
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 I can honestly say that the DVO customer support here in the states is top notch. I put them right up there with Canfield Brothers. I have never waited for more than a day to get a response to any of my questions..I hope they can get someone in Europe who can properly represent them.
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 nice to hear that DVO was so fast on response. Thx John for your email, will send you all info about how i talked and what was the answers Wink Thats good that you fixed France problems, because i live 3-8 weeks every summer in Morzine ( i think its EU MTB center) and its should be very important that service there is good, so if you go there you can fix your problems
very fast.
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 @elmars: definitely keep in touch with us and we can also support you directly from the USA office if needed.
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 that would look so beautiful on my bike...
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 Can you send me some DVO stickers please? And can you make a 180 mil travel single crown fork please?
Free Ride aint dead.
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 No prob!
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 That a nice pimped out Monarch plus Razz
  • 1 1
 would the DVO Sapphire(32mm stanchions) be the perfect fork for Rampage drops and jumps?
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 As long as you kept your drops and jumps to a minimum.
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 Topaz release date? I wanted it yesterday!!!!
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 Thanks! We will be shipping at the end of this month!
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 @DVOsuspension you guys thought about making a topaz with the (stupid) specialized mounting?
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 Yes we are looking into that and have been asked by several of our customers to do so, should be out soon!
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 Nice, I think everyone (except xfusion) makes a shock that fit an Enduro now!
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 what price will the Topaz be once it hits UK market ?
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 I'm not sure about the price in the UK, sorry about that, in the USA the MSRP is $500.
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 Expect 500 GBP lol

Or be a "refugee" and ask your chancellor for a free DVO shock.
  • 1 0
 The UK retail will be £400 from silverfish, pretty reasonable for a shock like this if you ask me! Big Grin
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 Then itvwould Be 900 in germany: )
Asked for a spare part for a c Fusion product ....USA price 200 Dollars,switzerland 240 CHF. ..like 269 dollars andere Germany 395 euros...like 440 dollars.
But to Be honest it is another importeur ;-)
  • 1 0
 so 26+ is a thing now?....FML
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 Black frame, green decals and ano purple is the future.
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 Can one still run a non boost hub on this fork?
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 Not on the Sapphire, but I have heard of adaptors being made or developed that "may" convert a standard wheel & brake mount.
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 Sweet!
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 @DVOSuspension any plans for an air shock without piggyback?
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 We are working on it, the thing we have found is the performance is down graded due to the lack of proper oil volume as we have found on a lot of other shocks we have been testing. But, we have been asked by several OEM companies as well as customers for it so we do plan on making more prototypes to test and hopefully go into production soon. Cheers!
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 Oh sweet! Can't wait for it!
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 Measurements on the steerer? Nice
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 Thanks!
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 you're welcome, very intuitive!
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 will these be avalible in England and will they fit an ornage five?
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 Yes they will be available soon in England through our kick ass distributor Silverfish, we just finished the Core Bike Show over there and the orders are flowing on. We shall be shipping the Topaz towards the end of the month, cheers!
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 The fork is boost only?
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 Yes, Boost 110mm.
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 I wouldn't buy it just for that reason. Seriously, I'm tired of new standards every friggin' year.
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 Us too, it costs a fortune to develop new molds and its very disruptive to the entire market, the ripple effect is enormous! But, after spending a lot of time on the boost front ends it really does make a difference, especially on the 29" wheel. But it does come at a cost to everyone.....
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 @DVOSuspension Now that modern forks are designed around carbon frames and rims in order to determine the forks structure and stiffness, how does that bode for people using these forks with alloy frames and rims? Surely there must be some sort of compromise going on with having to factor in all these variables.
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 @ninjatarian: Coming from our perspective, we do test with all types of wheels specifically I-9, ENVE's, and Spank in order to get a feel on how each wheel will feel with the fork/front end. We do ride some alloy frames like the Canfield Balance as well as the new crop of carbon frames. What was really surprising to us was the increase to the 110mm spacing "Boost", we were all kind of against it at first, mostly due to the development cost, but after spending a lot of time on them they are substantially stiffer, in fact maybe a little too stiff in some regards. That's why we decided to go with 32mm stanchions to build in some compliance to the entire front suspension.
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 YES!!!
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 1900g for a 32mm fork costing $899
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 When you trim the steer tube your around 1880 and thats not bad for a 29" Boost fork with travel from 100-140mm. Not sure how light you want your forks but there is a limit to durability and performance.
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 32mm stanchions @ 1900 grams?

FAIL
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 Ahh good someone else noticed that too!.
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 I know, what were they thinking putting 200ml of oil in a fork? Surely they are not trying to make it work properly? Everyone knows 30ml would be better because weight is so important. More important than performance anyway.
  • 2 1
 The 2016 Fox 34 seems to do OK. FIT4 damper and 1883gm for a 29er.

The X-Fusion Trace w/ Rough Cut damper and 34 stanchions is 1930 for a 29er.

The 1900 is for the 275., so I assume the DVO 29er is even heavier.
Both are less expensive too.

I myself don't care about weight (I have a 36 on my trail bike), but I am just calling it out.
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 @ReformedRoadie: The Sapphire is in the Boost 110mm wheel configuration and will typically be used in the 120mm travel (majority of bikes in this category). We felt that 34mm stanchion diameter combined with the new 110mm structure was too stiff and made the front end nervous. In our opinion, definitely not a FAIL.
  • 2 1
 "Too stiff and too nervous"? Really?
I have to question that statement. Are you suggesting you've engineered flex into the fork intentionally, or that flex is a desirable quality in a fork?

Sorry if Fail seemed too harsh, but the bar for trail forks is pretty high right now.
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 Flex if done right can help you ride faster and can result in more control over your bike. Instead of being tossed around on the trail you can have a way more planted bike, which saves you energy
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 I will answer you @ReformedRoadie .... both. A level of compliance is in fact desirable as a trait, and It is engineered into forks. It's not just DVO, a recent good example of this is Fox's decision to build some flex into their 40 chassis which was though to be overly stiff.
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 @DVOSuspension Your attention to peoples questions and comments is admirable and really does help sell your brand. I know you know that but kudos to you.
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 Flex MUST be engineered into a product or you will have stress risers and ultimate failure in a particular area. A suspension fork should be designed with a even flex pattern from the axle through the steer tube. And yes, forks can be made and have been made too stiff for the type of riding (intended use) and without keeping in mind that carbon frames, especially the front triangle head tube area) are very stiff and can cause a very nervous unpredictable feel on the trail. When you combine a boost front end with carbon wheels, the stiffness goes way up and designing some compliance back into the system is paramount.
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 Hello!

For the ones who do not mind carrying 200 g of oil for sublime feel of the fork,
do you plan to release an open bath fork for trail or enduro?
Actually, what quantity of oil is standard for each of the two legs of the Diamond and the Sapphire?
Do you plan to introduce also coil version for either of this forks? Would be a real treat for many of us.
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 @DARKSTAR63: thanks for your kind words! Its really good to be on here talking to people and giving them insight to their questions, it amazes me that hardly anyone else from companies wouldn't see this as a great opportunity to get important feedback on their products.
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 Yeah, the flex is important for compliance...like Bruce Lee becoming water...but your bike. Nico Vouilloz talks about fooling with spoke tension to achieve this in DH. The Syndicate, I recall, found the 40 too stiff coming off of the Boxxer and adjustments were made accordingly...to add in flex. The Dorado was a much loved fork BECAUSE of its flex. It felt soft in the hands even in the most hectic terrain. Seems wrong, but it's not...to an extent.
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 "I see stiffness in the 155 division "
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 Having come off a 100mm 29er with a fox 32, onto a 160mm 27.5 with a fox 36, I can say the extra stiffness feels better to me. The bike goes where I point it and doesn't wander. The 32 felt spongy and like it was constantly being twisted and always required attention to stay on the trail. The 36 Can just be aimed at the trail and begs to be pushed harder. Is the diamond stiffer than a 36?
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 @dnnbrgr, Stiffness and steering precision are used interchangeably but they are quite different. You can have an incredibly stiff suspension fork, wheel set, tires, & frame and your steering precision may be horrible. The new Diamond Boost 110 has incredible steering precision and yes it is stiff, but in the right manner. Compared to the Fox 36, we haven't done comparative bench testing on it yet, but on the trail in a multitude of terrain the Diamond definitely feels as "stiff", hope this long answer helps! Cheers, DVO!
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