Cotic Launch 140mm Jeht 29er Trail Bike

Nov 20, 2020
by Daniel Sapp  

Cotic have launched a brand new model, the Jeht. The 140mm travel trail bike is the brand's "genre-defying, do everything, steel full-suspension" rig. According to Cotic, the bike was designed to sit in that 'Goldilocks' spot where riders who wanted a trail bike with an all-around sensibility also got great climbing and an easy-to-handle chassis. The Jeht has a little more travel than an aggressive XC bike but isn't a full-on enduro bike. It's made to be lively, engaging, supportive, & rewarding.

Suspension

The Jeht utilizes Cotic's signature Drop-Link suspension platform, with a new longer link layout and kinematic. This allowed them to improve the seat tube packaging over the previous 29'er Drop-Link bikes, adding 20mm of seatpost insertion compared to a FlareMAX on all sizes. Using OneUp Components' dropper post, Cotic claim the majority of riders will be able to get at least a 150mm drop seatpost on all sizes of the Jeht.

With a new kinematic, the base tune on the Cane Creek or RockShox rear shock also changes. The Jeht uses two volume spacers to give what Cotic call a lively and feedback-rich ride. It also allows riders looking for more comfort the ability to take a spacer out to soften the edge. Heavier riders can also drop spacers to combat the extra ramp up that higher pressures give the spring curve. Cotic wanted to give more options for every rider to get their ideal ride feel.


Geometry

The bike uses a 150mm fork as standard, which gives it a 64.5-degree head angle. For riders looking to have a sharper ride a 140mm fork will steepen the head angle to 65-degrees. The seat angle is 75.8-degrees at a 720mm saddle height, and 75.5 at 815mm. The new seat tube arrangement brings minimal seat angle change regardless of leg length.

Cotic's "Longshot" geometry brings a reach that ranges from 444mm to 515mm, designed around running a 35mm stem for whatever size bike someone chooses. Seat tubes are cut low, so most riders can choose between a couple of sizes to suit their needs and local trail conditions.



Builds and Spec

While the series production Jeht is produced in Taiwan, Cotic know some customers love the idea of a UK made frame. Therefore, the Jeht is releasing with a 'Launch Edition' of no more than 30 UK frames. These frames are available now in the Afterburner or Matte Teal colors with a Cane Creek DB Air IL or Kitsuma for shock options. Prices start at £2,199 for the frame in IL Air. Series production frames from Taiwan will arrive mid-February 2021 in Mercury Rave and Matte Blue Steel colors, starting at £1,799 with a RockShox Deluxe Select Plus shock.

There will be Cotic's standard Silver, Gold, and Platinum build options, but there will be some changes and delays on certain options due to parts availability.



Silver builds are based on Shimano SLX or 2020 SRAM GX Eagle and are available now with an X-Fusion Trace 36 HLR fork, Cane Creek Air IL shock, and Superstar/WTB wheels for £3,699. In mid-February, these builds will switch to SLX only with RockShox Revelation/Deluxe Select Plus suspension and Shimano wheels, which brings the price down to £3,499. A Taiwan made frame further drops the price by £300.

Gold builds are available with SRAM GX Eagle Lunar, or Shimano Deore XT, with Cane Creek's HELM and DB Air IL suspension, HUNT wheels, and WTB tires. This build is £4,649 with the UK made frame or £300 less for the Taiwan frame.

Platinum builds are top of the line, with SRAM X01 Eagle, Cane Creek eeWings, HELM fork, and Kitsuma shock (riders can choose to have a RockShox Pike Ultimate instead for no upcharge), Hope stem, Burgtec bar, and more for £6,499 or £6,199 with the non-UK frame.

All bikes are assembled to order in the UK, and there are options within the stock builds for riders to choose from. Cotic have a configurator on their site to assist with builds. All options and complete bikes are available to reserve now, with the first UK frames and bikes delivered before Christmas (depending on parts availability).



For more information, visit www.cotic.co.uk





245 Comments

  • 141 8
 FINALLY... a "genre-defying, do everything bike"!

Can't believe it's taken the bike industry this long.
  • 195 5
 You're most welcome.
  • 39 3
 @cotic-bikes: Ha! To be fair, I have to admit - churlishness aside - that is a sexy looking bike.
  • 3 47
flag Edtheshred (Nov 20, 2020 at 5:09) (Below Threshold)
 @cotic-bikes: ????
  • 9 63
flag chillrider199 (Nov 20, 2020 at 6:16) (Below Threshold)
 Whoosh. Its okay Cotic. I do it too.
  • 6 5
 I'm sure I saw it described as a "quiver killer" in one of the emails or press releases.
Have these people no shame?
  • 62 1
 @chakaping: No, none at all.
  • 9 1
 @cotic-bikes: you need to get one sent over to @mikekazimer for a review.
  • 1 5
flag chillrider199 (Nov 20, 2020 at 11:44) (Below Threshold)
 @fuzzhead45: I told you I do it too. Did you not read my comment? Wink
  • 5 0
 @fartymarty: Would love to.
  • 6 3
 Anything but hold a bottle cage.
  • 2 0
 @chillrider199: I appears that you’ve done it again Smile
  • 3 1
 Mountain bike reviews take the cake when it comes to unscientific tests and baseless claims
  • 3 0
 @cotic-bikes: correct answer Smile
  • 9 0
 @cotic-bikes: Have I got this correct, are cotic here in the comments ridiculing their own marketing team?

If so, that's either some honesty I very much appreciate, or some meta-marketing that I can on some level also appreciate
  • 73 0
 @overconfident: Self deprocating. We are not so big that we have an entire marketing team. It's just us doing our best to get people excited about our bikes. Plus i own the company so i can do what the hell i like ????
  • 4 0
 @cotic-bikes: were you the guy who experimented with 29er front and 120mm fork and 27.5 front and 160mm fork on the same bike and got better times with the former?
  • 4 0
 @BenPea: Yeah, that was me. I will admit is was a small sample size as i only had time for one afternoon testing. I did it for the downtime podcast on mixed wheel sizes

Downtime Podcast Mixed Wheel Size

I put the 120mm 29er fork on our Rocket 27.5 enduro bike to replace the 160mm 27.5 fork because that was the only way to maintain the geometry. 29er forks are 20mm longerthan 27.5 forks, but the front axle is also nearly 20mm higher withthe 29er front wheel, hence needing to lose 40mm off the travel to maintain geometry. I think people looking to convert a 27.5 bike sometimes forget that. Was an interesting test.
  • 4 0
 @cotic-bikes: Yes it was, a real eye opener. A very elegant illustration of what you gain with 29 inch wheels (I'm still on 26, but your experiment really stuck in my head and I mention it to anyone who'll listen).
  • 1 0
 @sask250: seems it could fit on the top tube?
  • 1 0
 @saladdodger: @sask250 That's right, bottle under the top tube, just ahead of the shock.
  • 75 0
 Looks fahst
  • 39 0
 and slahk
  • 12 0
 @mi-bike: rahdical
  • 28 0
 Stohp.
  • 4 2
 serhve yoursehlf ouht.
  • 4 1
 I wanna geht one!
  • 43 4
 Christ do Cotic make a nice looking bike.
  • 11 1
 I personally don't need a steel FS bike, but these bikes always look so good i start thinking about it.
  • 2 0
 *Crhist
  • 42 4
 Denning76 this is Christ, Yes they do.
  • 4 0
 The 2nd coming!
  • 28 0
 Couple of Jeht riding vids if you're interested:

Cave: https://www.pinkbike.com/video/527885/

Woods: https://www.pinkbike.com/video/527886/
  • 10 0
 That cave video is awesome!
  • 6 0
 Steel spelunking is real spelunking.
  • 2 0
 bonus points for soundtrack choice.
  • 2 0
 Big dog Camus!
  • 12 0
 Another brit ripper from a company that's full of nice people with great service, love it
  • 10 0
 So this is basically an in-between model between the FlareMax and the RocketMax is it?
Looks great - love that colour.
  • 14 0
 That's right. Now the RocketMAX is 160mm, there was definitely room in the range for something with the more all round sensibility of the FlareMAX, but with a little more travel. Even as the designer I was surprised at what a unique personality the bike has compared to the other two, once we got testing the development bikes.
  • 5 0
 @cotic-bikes: Good stuff - makes sense. I can imagine there's quite a lot of people who feel that 140mm travel is the sweet-spot for them.
So how does the frame weight compare to the FlareMax? (you knew someone was gonna ask this!)
  • 5 0
 @Paco77:
On modern bikes with modern geo and susp. components, with 140mm, you can go a looong way into the big mountains/woods.
  • 9 0
 @Paco77: It's about 100 grams heavier than the FlareMAX due to the stiffer to and down tubes. Not a lot.
  • 5 0
 @cotic-bikes: :thumbsup:
  • 6 0
 @cotic-bikes: the bike looks perfect for me.
Exactly what I'm looking for. Fanced the flaremax but wanted a little more travel.
  • 1 0
 @eugenux: that holds true even for modern hardtails.
  • 7 0
 Clean lines?

Steel Frame?

A name that seems to be making fun of people with Boston accents (as in "Like a retahhhd, I crashed my cahhhr into a jeht neahhhr hahhhvahhrd yahhhd")?

Take my money already.
  • 4 0
 Not sure if it has, but if it doesn't then water bottle mounts on the downtube (below the shock) would be nice. Even if you can't fit a (small) bottle in there it's still useful to fit a cage that can be used for tool storage.
  • 14 0
 Small and medium frames have bottle bosses under the down tube, and the medium, large and XL have mounts under the top tube for a bottle within the front triangle.
  • 14 0
 We also sell custom fitted frame bags made by Restrap that fit under the shock or at the head tube which you can use for carrying tools and spares and snacks.

Cotic x Restrap Under Shock Bag
  • 1 0
 @cotic-bikes: what size water bottle Can you fit in?

It seems a stupid question but honestly I wouldn’t buy a bike now I can’t put a 750ml in the frame
  • 4 0
 @toad321: Medium is tight on space so is dependent on shock, but large, XL and small all fit 750 easily. I have a 950 bottle on my XL.
  • 6 0
 I haven't heard of Cotic bikes ... watched Cy Turner chat for a few mins in "15 years" video on their website. Seems like a pleasant fellow.
  • 3 0
 Thanks!
  • 5 0
 I have the flare max with 29 and its amazing, she wants to party at all times... cotic makes a banger of bike, I have an order for the BFe.. Full send
  • 3 0
 Been riding my BfeMax for 6 months or so now and it's the best hardtail frame I've ever ridden. The tube shaping and such make it stiff in the right places yet compliant in others. Can't recommend it enough. Might have to add this one to the stable.
  • 5 0
 Cotic makes f'ing beautiful bikes. I don't know is steel is any more real than any other material, but damn is skinny sexy!
  • 2 0
 Really sweet bike! I have been eying both the RocketMax and FlareMax and was torn between the two. However, looking at frame design and specs on the Jeht, the longest dropper to realistically use on a size medium would be a 150mm. I want 180mm or more, really hung up on this. @cotic-bikes, tell me a 180 would be ok!?!? (One up or Bike Yoke)
  • 4 0
 Depends entitely on your saddle height. Maximum insertion on a medium is 213mm.
  • 1 0
 I was looking at this, too. At around 5’8” with relatively short legs my BB-to-saddle-rails distance is ~620mm. Even a OneUp 150mm (which I already use on my current bike as it was the only way to get 150mm drop and it’s practically slammed) will need to use half of the cable routing clearance on the medium Jeht, making it a questionable fit at best.
  • 2 0
 @melanthius: Sorry to hear it won't work for you. We have improved seatpost insertion for this frame, but it's always tricky on smaller sizes. Thanks for the interest.
  • 1 0
 @cotic-bikes: I could always try out the small, but as I'm about 50th percentile for height, what are your options for actually short people? Can DropLink just not be packaged for smaller riders with 29" wheels?
  • 3 0
 @melanthius: Not any further than it currently is wirh the current seat tube construction without compromising the kinematic. We do have guys at 5ft 7in and 5ft 8in at cotic who test and Hannah here is 5ft 4in and fits a small with a 125mm dropper, we don't ignore short people at all, it's just packaging a full sus frame is always tricky.
  • 1 0
 @cotic-bikes: Makes sense, thanks for your honesty about it. Thinking about it a little more, drop should scale with leg length so 125mm on a small is likely satisfactory.

Thanks for engaging with the community!
  • 2 0
 @melanthius: No problem. I would have a look at the one up or pnw components droppers which have the ability to shim down. Maybe a 150 shimmed down to 140 or 135 would work?
  • 4 0
 @cotic-bikes: I ordered a medium Jeht, can't wait! Will try a 180mm One-up V2 first, may shim it down. My calculations indicate I will have about 2" of dropper post shaft (not including collar) exposed, which is acceptable. If it ends up not working I will go to plan B.
  • 1 0
 @JDFF: Thanks so much! We have a 180mm one up in our medium demo and that sounds about right for how far we can insert it.
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes: hey, thats great to hear! Thanks for that feedback.
  • 2 0
 Steel is making a comeback. It is a different ride. The first thing I noticed when I moved from steel to aluminum was that steel is much more compliant than aluminum. Aluminum is stiffer and more jarring. Not good or bad, just depends on what ride characteristics you are looking for.
  • 1 0
 Exactly!
  • 1 0
 @cotic-bikes: I get It on a hardtail 100% but on a full suspension, I don't know. I'm waiting to find out
  • 5 0
 Also really matters how the tubes are shaped, thickness, gussets, etc... Have ridden some steel frames that have a crap ride quality. Have ridden some aluminum hardtails that are more compliant than steel. A good steel frame is the jam though and Cotic knows what they are doing.
  • 4 0
 Been riding a Cotic Flaremax for a little bit. Best geo I've ever ridden on a bike. Feels so much more capable than any other 140/130 I've ever ridden.
  • 2 0
 Thanks . Cotic/Cy I've got a bfe 2010 hard tail and loving it!
But time for a upgrade. These things aren't cheap so I've been putting it off .
The mercury on the Fare 132 max looks great. So I'm not sure. (Please help me decide) any other images of the mercury?

But I could do with a new bike now.

I'm worried about selling out. If I bought one this weekend. I can speak with you or your team and change the details etc
If so what package/frame best to book?

I'm 6'2 with long torso and shortish legs , you mentioned the XL would be the best fit for me in the past, is this still the case?

Cheers

Ed
  • 2 0
 I'm also 6'2 on a good day and I could definitely get away with an XL but I currently ride a large RocketMAX (previously had a large Rocket).

I find the large is plenty bike for me. Lots of room for a long dropper and it definitely isn't cramped reach wise - if anything I probably need to clip my bars down 20mm.

I come from a BMX/hardtail background from around the mid 2000s and everything back then was cramped by comparison. So, that's maybe why I felt more comfortable on the large, despite being at the top end of the height range.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you come from small flicky bikes, then the large is probably plenty bike. However if you started riding bikes in the middle of the 2010s and all you know is long, slack and low, then the XL might be better for you.

Hope that's at least a little helpful.
  • 2 0
 Really a nice looking bike I am very interested in. How about the X Fusion fork? Is it any good for haevier riders around 85Kg race ready? Older reviews state that either it is harsh off top or it blows through it's travel easily. Does it shipt with 44 or 51mm Offset?
  • 3 0
 The Trace36 is really stiff chassis so no problem from that point of view. They are very linear so you may need to reduce the volume a little, but it is less of an issue for heavier riders because of the higher pressure you need to run.
  • 1 0
 @cotic-bikes: Thanks for your answer. Are you riding these forks by yourself? How does it compare to the nowaday standards Grip2 or Ultimates? 44 or 51 Offset?
  • 1 0
 @frischensbub: I have ridden them, but they aren't what i ride now. I run HELM Mk2 Air with 44mm offset. 51mm works fine too though. The whole offset thing is much more subtle than a lot of brands make out. To be honest they aren't as good as the HELM or the Pike Ultimate, but they are not far off.
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes: Thank you for you honest answer
  • 4 0
 Sapp, get this thing in WNC! Always interested in these guys, and now especially this one
  • 4 0
 The Cane Creek Tour should have demos available (I believe) when things get moving again.
  • 3 0
 As soon as I can I'd love to demo a XL please! Am on the cusp of buying another bike, but I'd love to see how this rides. As love my old bfe hardtail.
  • 2 0
 There is just a problem with cotic bikes.

These things are so hard to kill... No reason to change.

My brain is thinking......... but my legs and my balls... not the same affair. :-/
  • 5 0
 Same here... Still on a 2016 rocket after going trough bikes within 2 Seasons usually... Replaced all bearings, put new drive train on it and it rides like a new bike. Geometry still absolutely on point as they were so far ahead. New Bike will be a Cotic again but it seems like it will last another two seasons the least.
Best bike I've ever owned! @cotic-bikes

(I ride almost every day, roughly 10-15hours / week on average)
  • 1 0
 I'll be interested to see how many opt for the UK vs. Taiwan frames. People often talk about location of manufacture being important to them, but this puts a direct price on it. I'm curious what percentage value it at 300 pounds or greater.
  • 1 0
 If I understood the article correctly, they're only manufacturing the first 30 frames in the UK. They'll sell all of those no problem, especially as they'll be available earlier.
  • 8 0
 @fartymarty: It's not really about pitching one vs the other. As mentioned, the Launch Edition is limited production anyway, but it is acting on feedback from some customers on our taiwan frames that they would like a uk option. It is not all by any means, and the volumes of uk production frames like the rocketmax are the same or higher than the taiwan production model lines. It's nice to offer, but really we are volume limited on our uk production so we cannot switch everything over. And a lot of people appreciate the lower price point of the far east made frames. Its good to have options.
  • 4 0
 This is the best thing I've seen in a while! Steel is longer lasting, and more fun!
  • 1 0
 Would love to see more about frame materials here-- with steel you get more of the eagle-eyed frame builder types. Is this stainless? The whole thing Reynolds? The back end aluminum??? You'd be pressed to figure it all out from this article. I'm in the market, but not in the Cotic inner circle I see...
  • 1 0
 www.cotic.co.uk/product/jeht#frame

Looks like the front triangle is mostly Reynolds 853 and the rear triangle is 6066-T6 aluminium.
  • 3 0
 Front triangle is custom specified Reynolds 853. The seatstays are heat treated cromoly to our design. Swingarm is 6066-T6 aluminium. Feel free to drop us an email if you want to find out more. I also wrote a blog about my material choices on our website

Cotic - We Use Steel For Performance
  • 3 0
 Only disappointing thing about the Jeht: Afterburner is not a production color option but is the best color I've yet to see on a Cotic... Much dismay.
  • 2 0
 Unfortunately we couldn't guarantee the quality of the fade finish with water transfers that they use in Taiwan. The Launch Edition graphics are paint, which is another reason why we're only doing a few of them! You're right though, it does look great.
  • 5 1
 I hope Brexit is delayed so I can get one!!
  • 21 0
 We will still be exporting after Brexit. Let's just hope the tariffs aren't silly on bikes, eh?
  • 3 0
 @cotic-bikes: Exactly. I'm interested in this frame.
  • 3 0
 very nice, hows that kitsuma been treating you? always had a soft spot for cane creeks
  • 5 0
 Loving it. Been working with the Cane Creek guys to get it spot on for us, and we're super happy with the base tune we're running. Very open a fluid feeling.
  • 3 0
 The video was helpful, I learned that I've been pronouncing their name wrong.
  • 3 0
 This looks great! Well done guys! And sensible prices into the deal. Cavedale looking as glorious as ever
  • 4 0
 It's there most beautiful bike jeht..
  • 4 0
 Look legiht. 10/10 would ride.
  • 4 1
 Love the long CS. Really like these bikes. Where are the suspension curves?
  • 5 1
 We don't publish them as a matter of course, because we're not convinced it helps. These have a different leverage curve to some of our other bikes, but because of the shock tune, the wheel rate is similar. It's more complex than a raw leverage curve would suggest, in our opinion. Happy to nerd about specifics on email if you drop us a line though.
  • 1 6
flag iantmcg (Nov 20, 2020 at 14:41) (Below Threshold)
 Why would you want a race bike chain stay length without the race bike amount of suspension travel? Seems like worst of both worlds to me.
  • 2 0
 @iantmcg: have you tried it? Long stays work with less travel in my experience, and you could definitely race this bike anyway.
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: it's important that the bike has a relatively taut suspension platform though. Which I've found Cotics do (I have ridden four or five different FS models in anger).
  • 5 0
 @iantmcg: Chainstay length isn't defined by application in my opinion, it's defined (or should be) for keeping a good weight balance. If you have a long front centre, you need a longer rear end to keep the weight centred otherwise its really hard to weight the front wheel, and you loop out on climbs
  • 5 0
 @cotic-bikes: It's about traction in the turns.

Size large and up long front center bikes need 450ish chainstays to have front wheel traction.
  • 1 0
 @SunsPSD: never noticed the lack of front tire traction. I get the need for different bikes for different folks. But it just strikes me as odd. Never heard complaints from people on short CS bikes.
  • 2 0
 @iantmcg: The majority of riders don't go through turns at a speed that would expose the deficits of short Chainstays, on long bikes. And the ones that due, many have learned to get extreme with weighting the front end to offset this. Consider this, many riders are on S & M frames on the same length CS and they aren't going to experience the same issues that the same bike would have in a size L or XL. So you have the riders alone, just due to sizing, that aren't going to have an issue.
It really leaves a pretty small pool of riders to complain about this issue.
Could you imagine if a new CRF450 was sold with a CR80 swingarm? That's what we do in biking, and sell it as a plus!
And frankly, in regards to PB reviews, I don't see enough mention of handling balance and traction in the reviews around here. They could do better in this regard.
  • 1 0
 @SunsPSD: Fair points, I suppose as a rider that is generally a medium could probably go small on some of the real long bikes it never is an issue for me. Still on a 425 CS 27.5 and have never once thought it wasn't stable enough at speed though I probably grab brake at around 40mph. Never put any thought into the front tire traction in turns. But also never had issue with the short stay affecting climbing.
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: well 425mm CS isn't too small on a size small bike, that's the point.
Haven't dove into the math real deep, but if you read the timed EnduroMag bike tests, even with some wildly different geos, the bikes with cs/ wb in the mid 35.x % range all have the fastest times even with many other differences. However the models with cs/ wb in the 34% range every tester says things like: hard to get the bike to finish the turn or requires highly active riding style, and clocked slower times. All code words for 'poor front traction due to poor chassis balance'.
Heck even the medium SB150 had the fastest time whereas the large version of the exact same bike was much slower. My opinion is that the L SB150 has the same CS length as the M, and as such the L has poor balance.
  • 1 0
 @SunsPSD: I’m not sure what the race times have to do with this but your other point makes some sense
  • 4 0
 Hey Cy and Sam are good guys! ;-)
  • 2 0
 Im a function over form guy, and I like the Cotic philosophy.. but the cable routing along the rear shock beats my OCD ; ).. still I have you guys on my list of next bike...
  • 3 2
 It’s great how long chainstays have simplified 29er frame design now. Remember the days of specialized trying to stuff the 29 rear wheel into a 425mm back end and telling us we needed that?
  • 8 0
 To be fair, that's also when front centres were also appreciably shorter too. Proper long geometry has really helped get the weight balance and proportions right on 29ers.
  • 2 5
 Long chainstays are great?

I suppose you’re right about short chainstays making it easier to fit big wheels, but that’s laziness on the design side.

Cotic bikes look good except for those long chainstays, anything over 440mm in a size large is not worthy, esp on a short travel bike.
  • 4 0
 @nurseben: We will just have to agree to disagree on that one. As the designer i can assure there is no laziness involved.
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes Just wondered if the Mercury Rave is matte white with orange as depicted, or is it a raw metal finish with orange decals?
  • 3 0
 The mercury is a liquid silver colour. It's the same as the mercury colour we ran on the Rocket a year or so ago, but with much different graphics. This is the colour:

Rocket Mercury
  • 3 0
 @cotic-bikes: Awesome, thank you! I just need Fox to release a Marzocchi Z1 in classic 90s orange to make the bike sing!
  • 5 0
 @MumblesBarn: We *might* have got the gloss silver Pikes coming in to go with ;-)
  • 1 1
 @cotic-bikes: oh that’s nice
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes: Sorry to interrupt your wine drinking with another color question, but have you got any photos of previous bikes in the matte steel blue color? Is it similar to the old Soul color:

singletrackworld.com/2014/04/cotic-goes-27-5-but-stays-26in-too
  • 3 0
 @MumblesBarn: No it is a completely new colour. Darker than the bright blue. The swatch on the product page you click to select that colour is the actual paint on a test tube, not a mockup.
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes: Great to know. I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger, I just can't decide between colors!!!
  • 5 2
 gonna get flamed galore for this - but if someone would build this as an ebike thatd be hot af
  • 4 0
 Ha! Thanks. Doing a steel ebike is pretty hard though. I had a crazy ducati style trellis frame on the drawing board to house the battery, but it would a *quite* expensive
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes: great to hear you were at it! i know it sounds weird but for a nice steel 29er aggro hardtail id even accept a classic downtube hump battery design - thatd be such a beast
  • 1 0
 @skintightleather: That's interesting to know. Thanks for the feedback.
  • 3 0
 @cotic-bikes: got one more, once you venture to batteryland - an e-scapade would be absolute gold
  • 3 0
 Jeht, is that a privileged new age Oxford scholar or a gun slinging mad man from Alabama?
  • 6 0
 It's a radtrail bike from Sheffield!
  • 2 0
 underrated comment!
  • 2 0
 Looks ace it will be a trail smasher for sure. I have the rocket max which is like a mini dh bike...but rides so good. Cotics are built to last
  • 4 0
 Dit Jeht jut ab!
  • 2 0
 Can we expect a UK made Flare Max to come soon as well?

My wallet is itching for one of those.
  • 2 0
 Sorry, but the FlareMAX will remain Taiwan series production, as will the majority of the Jeht once the Launch Edition sells out.
  • 3 0
 I would love to ride one of those!
  • 2 0
 Geo chart BB drop figure for XL frame is wrong & different to what's on Cotic website.
  • 2 0
 BB drop is correct on the website. It's 27mm for all sizes. Sorry for the error.
  • 3 0
 I want one! How do you get one in NZ?
  • 5 0
 Order direct from us. We ship all over the world from right here in the Peak District.
  • 1 0
 Lol Nice try ;-) Right Cy

A guys got to try right.

If lockdown easies, have you got any to demo in XL?
If you do I'll be there right away.
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 Yeah, we have a whole demo fleet. Just not allowed to let anyone ride them right now.
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 Just got a flare max. Wis I'd waited and got one of these instead! Gutted
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 How long ago? If its unridden maybe we can work something out.
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 Oh no. Mountain biking is becoming jehtrified!
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 Sweet bike...but holy wheelbase (really need to test one of these crazy long bikes some day)!
  • 4 1
 Don't be afraid of the length, wheelbase particularly. In my opinion (as the designer), wheelbase is the thing that happens as a result of all the other important dimensions. I probably couldn't tell you the wheelbase of most of the bikes I've designed, but I could tell you the angles, reach, BB drop, chainstay length, the important stuff.
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 You'd be surprised at the feel of Cotic's wheelbase. Mine is nothing but fun all of the time, and I clean more climbs that many of my fellow riders.
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 Really digging the full builds in the Kona and Yeti colorways ;-) In all seriousness...nice bikes guys!
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 As usual Cotic a lovely peice of kit. Keeping it real by keeping it steel!
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 if I ever go steel it gonna be a cotic with a coil cane creek
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 At 182 a size S with 650B would be a dream!
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 At 182cm you want a medium in 29 dude!
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 @cotic-bikes: I don't want a 29er and the M is kind of long. I don't like the feel of such long-reached bikes. The new Process also sounds perfect in S Smile
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 @FrEeZa: Have a look at our Flare then. We have small in stock, also uk made, 140 front, 135 rear.
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 Beautiful frame!
Not so sure about the builds. A Revelation, really? Why would anyone want that?
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 The Revelation is a solid midrange fork on a solid midrange build. It has a great chassis and upgradeable internals. Seems pretty good to us! Before they arrive in February the Silver build runs the X Fusion Trace36 HLR. And because we assemble every single bike to order here in the UK, its easy to upgrade the fork. £350 upcharge on a Silver build gets you a HELM or Pike Ultimate.
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 Man that bike looks soooo good. Like Aston Martin good. I'm looking at my Jeffsey now thinking hhmm VW golf.
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 @cotic-bikes beautiful bike as always. But will it take coil shock?
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 No, it's air shock only.
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 Coil doesn't make you cooler. Sorry mountain bike world, learn a thing or two about suspension designs before you "go coil bro."
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 @youknowitsus: It's not really that, it just doesn't suit this bike. Plus the latest big can air shocks are fantastic.
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 @cotic-bikes: Cy you know I'm a hoe for a 26" purple BFe Wink That was back before you were famous!
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 @cotic-bikes: it’s a shame as it’s nice to have options. Couple this with water bottle placement and I take it off my list. There are so many great bikes the little things make a big difference.
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 Nhice
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 What is standover for the small frame? What is the weight range?
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 Standover is notoriously imprecise, but I'm going to say 694mm, based on measuring just ahead of the BB with a tyre diameter of 750mm. That's static.

Bike weights? 14-15.5kg depending on spec, tyre choice, etc, etc.
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 @cotic-bikes: what's the frame weight? Cheers
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 @Edtheshred: 3.9kg with shock.
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 Is there a joke in the name I'm not getting?
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 Not really. Jeht, say "jet".
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 @cotic-bikes: I thought it might be something like 'reyt' I hadn't heard before Big Grin
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 @baybutt: JEHST!!! YES!!! Just when I thought I couldn't love you guys any more! If you ever release a smart shock equipped frame you should call it The Braintax.
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 @MumblesBarn: haha Jehst is what I was thinking too
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 @MumblesBarn: how about a Roots Maneuverer?
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 @MumblesBarn: maybe a thin tubed gravel bike called Skinnyman?
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 @alexhyland: Hahaha, I could see a fat bike called the Task Force.
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 Pindale!
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 Cavedale!
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 @cotic-bikes: A great place to test your suspension. It's like riding down a river bed.
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 @commental: It is that, although it's that greasy and unpredictable that it's not that great for actual testing. You need it working well there for sure, but i wouldn't want to have to do laps for development!
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 Paging @TheRadavist
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 Mountain bikes are starting to look like top fuel dragsters
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 New company logo? Looks different to what I remember.
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 We introduced the new logo at the start of the year.
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 Truthbetold.
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 Did anyone notice that the rear triangle is longer than the front triangle in a size small, WTF?!

Totally whacked.
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 Rear end is longer than the reach, yes. The front centre is much longer though. Look at the wheelbase - 1228mm. Rear centre is 448, so front centre on the small is 780mm. Still plenty of room for good weight balance.
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 Jehtro Tull
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 Me want
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 Deliberate pics...
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 love your bikes wish you could roll out a better EP program in North America.
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 What is EP?
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 @cotic-bikes: Erectile Prosthetic
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 Small, direct selling brand. There's no room for big discounts, otherwise we'd be selling things cheaper! I'm glad you like the bikes though. Thanks.
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flag BoneDog (Nov 20, 2020 at 12:37) (Below Threshold)
 @cotic-bikes: Its a discount for bike shop employees who believe in your product and would like some assistance in pricepoint to try one out. Tough decision to consider your option when an Yeti at EP pricing is less, or as your comment below regarding being a small outfit, guerilla gravity US made is still 1350 less then your price point.

Help me out a bit here, and I would love to support your product as its currently cost prohibited. What does it mean for a bike shop employee to ride your bike? well it generates interest and some hype. I have be lucky enough to get EP's over the year, and each time its lead to me selling a couple extra bikes through the shop because I've convinced friends and been the point of contact for new customers as they walk in the door when they ask about niche brands etc. One summer all our staff wanted to buy Orange bikes, they allowed us to do an EP. We all bought 223's and Patriot's.. Then within our local community ended up selling 4 Misisles, 2 Subzeros, P7's... we generated a stir and helped establish Orange with the GTA and made some sales along the way...

Wish you could help me out! cheers
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flag BoneDog (Nov 20, 2020 at 12:44) (Below Threshold)
 I am about to drop 3K or so worth of my hard earned cash on a bike I have never been able to ride, or see, from a company I have only heard of online. I'll sign up to be the north American guinea pig and deal with the hassles of warranty across the continent etc... in return could you help make your price point more accessible vs. my current options.
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 @BoneDog: I appreciate that having shops guys on the bikes really helps promote a brand, but every single one of those brands you mention sells via traditional distributor / shop model, which means they have at least 30% more margin in their pricing that they can give away should they so wish. Although we are small, the key point is we are direct selling, so whilst we do offer a discount to our friends in the industry, it's the maximum we can manage. The realities of a uk made frame cost would make the cost price of many a multi-thousand dollar carbon frame look very cheap indeed. But we do it brcause we want to onshore, we like the flexibility, the low stock holding and a bunch of other stuff. If you can’t afford our discount, i am sorry about that, but we are not being money grabbing about it, it is literally the cheapest we can afford to sell a frame. It's not like are all driving around in McLarens here!
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 @BoneDog: Listen, i really appreciate you looking at the brand, but i think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Plus, i am now drinking wine so probs not the time to be debating any further ????
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 @cotic-bikes: It was worth asking, thanks for the detailed response. when or if you do set up a North American distributor I'll be all over it. Cheers
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 @BoneDog: I was sort of in the same boat. For the past 15 years all my frames have been EP or no charge at all. I just pulled the trigger on a Jeht at full retail. Not to mention shipping and taxes to the States. Had been super torn on the issue, but do understand the margins Cotic is dealing with. I justified it by the Jeht being relatively future proof, the correspondence that Cy has had over the times I've reached out to him and I this week I just warrantied my second carbon frame this year. So, sucked it up and paid full price on the frame, it was a hard pill to swallow, but I think it will work out in the long run. Oh, I also took comfort in knowing that Cotic likely won't come out with an Ebike anytime soon, but that's a separate issue all together.
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 @JDFF: you cant go wrong with this brand ! ;-)

Frog talk.
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 Since when does the bike some guy from a bike shop is riding matter to anyone? You'd usually figure it'd be pretty obvious they'll be riding something they sell anyway
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 Fuck the bro deals. Makes rest of us cheated. Direct is the only way to go.
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 @BoneDog: and f*ck you
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 @cotic-bikes: Cotic I love your brand. I have done for many many years. I have ridden your bikes but I personally have never owned one but know plenty who have and they have raved about them. I remember riding one of your hardtails years ago and loved it. One day I may own one. Keep doing what you are doing its ace!
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 Hey Cy any Black Friday deal on it you can PM me about this? ;-)
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 Stop trippin.
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 Sorry, we don't really do black friday, and certainly not on brand new product. You knew that though, didn't you?
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 Wal-Mart, 4am. Be there. Jehts are in aisle 6. Worth the wait trust me.
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 @cotic-bikes: yes just teasing ;-
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 @cotic-bikes: Hey I'm really tempted to buy one asap.
What colour do you think looks best in person.
I reckon the mercury will look great.
(What do you think?) It's coming in In when in Feb?

Is the afterburn black with the afterburn colour? If I ordered that when would it be ready?

Cheers

Ed
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 @Edtheshred: My favourite is, Afterburner (black with fade graphics), but the mercury will be cool too. I know the colour is awesome from doing other frames in that finish, but the new graphics are hot.

Any Launch Edition frames/bikes should be delivered by christmas at the latest if everything goes smoothly. Series production should arrive mid-feb, again assuming things go as currently predicted.
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 @cotic-bikes: Thanks . Cotic/Cy I've got a bfe 2010 hard tail and loving it!
But time for a upgrade. These things aren't cheap so I've been putting it off .
The mercury on the Fare 132 max looks great. So I'm not sure. (Please help me decide) any other images of the mercury?

But I could do with a new bike now.

I'm worried about selling out. If I bought one this weekend. I can speak with you or your team and change the details etc
If so what package/frame best to book?

I'm 6'2 with long torso and shortish legs , you mentioned the XL would be the best fit for me in the past, is this still the case?

Cheers

Ed
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 @Edtheshred: Even if you order now its going to be a few weeks until we deliver first frames. I realise it's a big decision. We don't have a full frame pic of the mercury rave because the factory hasn't finished them yet. You can place a provisional order to reserve one and talk to us on monday. You need XL for sure.
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 @cotic-bikes: thanks much appreciated!
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 @cotic-bikes: Hey Cotic
I'm interested in the Jeht but as a heavier mtber 95kg would the frame be too flexy?
I've heard that the steel frames are grate for the lighter riders but less for the heavier ones?

Cheers
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 @Simon117: Shouldn't be a problem. I am 87kg and ride the XL size so i am aware of keeping things in line.
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 @cotic-bikes: hi cotic
"It shouldn't be a problem" doesn't inspired me in confidence!

I'd prefer a response , like the XL frame would plenty stiff enough and be perfect for your weight.

I like the company and bike . I'm tempted but
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 @cotic-bikes: so do you think I'm just too heavy for the frame?

Thanks for your help
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 @Simon117: Well we have plenty of customers your weight, so in the normal run of things there won't be a problem for you riding one of our bikes and they don't have weight limits. However, i don't know your riding preferences, what terrain you usually ride, a bunch of other stuff we ask to make sure that a Cotic is going to be right for them. We don't just say "yes" to make a sale. If you ride big country, natural terrain where the way the bike rides amplifies the capability, spot on. If you smash berms on park laps all day long and get super sendy, you probably need something stiffer. Happy to talk in detail on email.
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 @cotic-bikes: That makes complete sense ????

Thanks Cotic for your help and time.

Fantastic brand

Cheers
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 Looks great but I won’t ware a pack. No room for water bottle, no sale.
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 There are water bottle bosses on every frame, under the top tube on medium, large and XL, and under the down tube on the small. Water bottles easily fit and our custom frame bags let you carry tools and spares under the shock.
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 @cotic-bikes:Aaahhh I see. Under the top tube will work. Under the downtube is a no go because cow $hit.
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