Day 3 E-Bike Randoms - Eurobike 2021

Sep 4, 2021
by Ralf Hauser  
Greyp

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With the people from electric supercar manufacturer Rimac behind Greyp, you'd assume that they'd put together one hell of an e-bike. Well, the new Greyp G6.5 doesn't look much better than its predecessor. A T700 carbon frame holds a Greyp custom 700Wh battery and houses a 250W MPF 6.0s motor with custom firmware. Just as odd as the bike might look to some, the numbers are also sort of strange. By today's standards, a 376mm reach for the size S and 420mm reach for size L sound like sketchy numbers. Maybe that's why they put a 72.3 degree seat angle on there, otherwise you probably wouldn't be able to pedal at all without slamming your knees into the handlebar. And maybe that's why they had to bring the chainstays to 480mm length, otherwise your wheelbase wouldn't be much longer than that of a kid's bike.

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Since e-bikes don't have enough cables to deal with, Greyp added a camera to the front and back.
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At least you have a built-in GPS, 3-axis gyro, 3-axis accelerometer, 3" TFT display and 3G module with eSIM and T-Mobile contract so you can send messages from your bike, receive notifications, take photos remotely and lock or turn off the bike remotely. I think an extra selfie camera is missing.

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Cybro

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For €11,900, you can get the Cybro No.07, the e-bike with the most edges you can plant on carbon bike. Funny, since they actually manage to build super clean custom frames, like their Pinion-driven No.06. Driven by a Sachs motor and 630Wh battery, much of the rest, including rear wheel travel, is a bit of a mystery.

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"Hey boss, do frame tubes mostly have to be round?" "Hold my beer."
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Interesting virtual pivot point suspension.

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Gates Carbon Drive CDX, coupled with a Rohloff 14-speed internal gear hub.
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Bafang
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You can find Bafang's motors on more and more e-bike's here and there. The Bafang M600 is rated at 500W with 120Nm of torque at a weight of 3.9kg. So at least in theory, this motor should be a powerhouse. A triple sensor system (1 torque, 2 speed sensors) for high sensitivity is part of the package.
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I didn't know that American Eagle was still alive, but there you go.


Kraftstoff

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You can customize your Kraftstoff bikes in many different color and component combinations. Their new E Spike 20 Eagle with 180mm travel is equipped with Bafang's M600 motor starting at €6,499.

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Can't say I'm much for yellow bikes, but this color is neat.


PRO

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There's a new PRO Koryak E-Performance Carbon and Aluminum handlebar in their lineup with strategically placed entry and exit points for cables from STEPS or Di2 systems. Weight is 245g for the 800mm wide carbon and 285g for the aluminum version.


Rock Machine

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Time to go skiing ...


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85 Comments
  • 130 7
 I'm excited about ebikes and think the haters need to chill. But my lord these eurobike articles aren't helping
  • 3 0
 Glad to see people innovating with new stuff. Seems like the best people came up for the last few years was was putting Fsr on their bikes
  • 20 0
 Where in the hell is the kickstand tech info! I saw about ten ebikes this weekend and every damn one of them had a kickstand!!! There is some secret kickstand tech about to drop, I can feel it!
  • 7 0
 Agreed. These are especially heinous! At least the captions seem to agree.
  • 19 14
 I'm still reeling from the fact that Pinkbike needed to put in an ebike filter for all the delicate snowflakes who got offended by even the mention of them : /
  • 3 0
 I want a pinkbike field trip with every one of these things. It would be hilarious!
  • 23 23
 @L0rdTom: that's because mopeds are not mountain bikes
  • 6 4
 @L0rdTom: I am offended that I accidentally clicked on an ebike article, and now I can't unsee it.
  • 4 1
 It seems that eBikes are going through the same evolution MTBs did. in the 90s. There were some weird creations then too, before settling to a more or less similar design.
  • 17 0
 I f*cking love EMTB’s and ride them exclusively but holy hell these are awful! These almost make Haibikes look understated and classy. Almost. I hope they’re all $20k so that no one buys them. NOTE TO EMTB MANUFACTURERS: A perfectly executed EMTB has the cleanest lines possible and not over-the-top, cluttered frame/controls design. No exceptions. You should be able to stop and talk to mountain bikers for five or 10 minutes before they finally realize that you are on an EMTB. No exceptions. I almost choked on my cheese puffs when I saw these. I need a Newport….
  • 1 0
 The prices aren't either ☹
  • 2 3
 We are looking at THE future headtube design for DH and e bikes with double crowns:

www.pinkbike.com/photo/21250430
I was in the process of designing something like this myself. Glad somebody beat me to it cause I didn't want too do all the patent work.
  • 2 1
 When is the eBike shootout and huck to flat?
  • 1 0
 True
  • 40 1
 Ahh yes a reversing camera on a bike, why hasn't anyone thought of that before? Oh yeah its f*cking stupid.
  • 2 0
 Your on to something there! At least back up lights!
  • 2 0
 Now that I think of it, it may be useful for insurance when you get rear ended by a car who then flies away.
  • 1 0
 @Beaconbike: ...and a mandatory backup alarm.
  • 27 2
 Are all the good bike names taken? Greyp is the sound you make when you hold in a burp.
  • 20 0
 It’s also the sound you make when you say “grape,” I think.
  • 13 0
 And then sometimes bafang.
  • 2 0
 Agreed. Also, is the “GREYP” labeled part the battery? Yeesh what a mess.
  • 10 0
 I read an interview of the Greyp CEO or something (so Rimac motherbrain, who seems rather good at making cars as they got shares in Bugatii) and a question was "how important do you think software development is gonna be ?" and his answer was something like "we are a team of 40 and about 35 are focusing on software development, so that answers your question..." I was then wondering what that would lead to, well that answers my question.
  • 15 0
 I don't eat Greyp's. They make me Befang and then I have to take my Kraftsoff and put on a clean pair.
  • 1 0
 @Pmlietzan: "Urp" is also the sound one makes when holding in a burp. Thus, if the Grape Ape were to hold in two simultaneous burps, the he would make the sounds "Greyp Urp"....which may be the name of my next purple bike.
  • 1 0
 Yikes I just saw that Greyp over on (otherwise excellent and enjoyable) automotive blog TheDrive. The model they had featured the Crank Brothers Iodine wheels which I thought went the way of the dodo. Yeesh. www.thedrive.com/gear/39723/greyp-g6-review
  • 17 0
 Im a fan of ebikes and bikes in general but Dam Boi !!! those are some ugly duck-E's
  • 3 0
 For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God
  • 12 0
 Little bit of sass in this post; I like it
  • 10 0
 You Can tell whoever wrote this thinks most of these are just awfull... and they are!
  • 3 0
 After seeing the coverage here, I'm only more reassured that I can buy the emtb I want (Alpine Trail E2, med) and not be worried about anything making it obsolete in under 3 years.

The only thing I expect to be coming is Shimano's next motor architecture update, where they slide the battery up from the bottom bracket area (like Whyte bikes) rather than through a large cutout.
  • 2 0
 Do you think they last three years? Batteries, wiring and motors I mean.
  • 1 1
 @heckler73: Why would you say that? Personally, I know several people with the original Levo and they're all still going strong, original battery and all. Reduced range, for sure, but trouble free otherwise.
  • 3 0
 That Cybro has such a bad design around the headtube.
I am not saying it will snap, but they would have to have used a lot of carbon to make sure it doesn't.
Making one of the most heavily loaded parts of the frame smaller in diameter, for no reason besides (very dubious) aesthetics.
And besides that the transition in diameter is about as edged as it can get, making the construction even weaker.
  • 4 0
 Am I the only one who thinks we could make E Bikes look way cooler... or at least not so clunky ?!? Im all about that belt drive!!
  • 14 4
 Yeah man. Take off the pedals.
  • 10 7
 I am going to bring gas 2-stroke pedal assist bikes to market. Since none of you have any issue with calling electric mopeds bikes, the time is right to address range issues
  • 1 0
 Good luck with that, ebay already do a 2 stroke engine to bolt onto the bike, pretty darn quick too.
  • 2 0
 Pro looks dope, all other ebikes nowherenear to S and Apline, do they even higher design engineers? Any buy in of the product is look and feel and price, functionality goes afterwards
  • 4 0
 funny to read that "I didn't know that American Eagle was still alive"...doesn´t the author follow the MTB World Cup?
  • 1 0
 Don't let Bart Brentjens read that!
  • 6 1
 When the manufacturers try to make haters out of the lovers.
  • 3 2
 hm, ebikes just might need bigger brakes and we might finally get actual brakes. the problem is the current standard rotor is based on what was made light for xc bikes, that was the peak of mountain biking. we need more braking surface area and rotor thickness and a bit bigger calipers. i thought saints were something else but now that i've had them for a while, they could be a bit more powerful.
  • 1 0
 Try MT7s or Trickstuff
  • 1 0
 what even are you on about @baca262

everywhere i look it's extra thiccc 220mm rotors with 4pot calipers these days
  • 1 0
 @dontcoast: I feel what @baca262 is saying. My saints are great on the dh bike, but I tried to use my XtR with a 180mm rotor and the brakes fade on long dh rides. This is on a bike that actually pedals. Granted, larger parts equal more weight, so there is a con.
  • 1 0
 Is it just me or are there a load of e-bike companies popping up who seemingly have no idea how to design a normal bike or even what riders want from a normal bike but regardless, plough on and build an e-bike with bloody cameras, crap angles etc etc Someone needs to tell them that when buying a car, loads of optional extras is cool, even stuff you don't/won't use. On a bike, less so!
  • 3 0
 More Moped nonsense for people pretending to be mountain bike riders - an honourable exception given for the old and disabled.
  • 4 0
 Why is six afraid of No 07? Because 7, 8, 9.
  • 1 3
 What do you call a midget from Afganistan?
  • 4 1
 The people with the ebike filter on are missing so many shit talking points.
  • 2 0
 Doesn't leave much to Greyp about, or does it leave to much to Greyp about? I guess we'll see.
  • 3 0
 Looks like Comic Book Artists design these bikes.
  • 3 0
 At this point it just gets more funny.
  • 3 0
 Designers keep designing. Ugly monstrosities.
  • 1 0
 I feel weird saying this but I dont completely hate the Cybro.. there is some weird stuff but also some cool innovation. The rest is horrible.
  • 1 0
 Hey man, American Eagle is big in the Dutch-Chinese community. Wolftooth Cy-Bro Tex-Mex skeptics unite
  • 1 1
 "3-axis gyro, 3-axis accelerometer"

I will freely admit to not being very imaginative... but why is this necessary on a bicycle?
  • 1 0
 The greyp needs conduit for that wire bundle. Maybe they can hide some of the ugly with plastic tubes
  • 7 4
 E-waste
  • 3 3
 D-bag

(Sorry man, but if you set one up like that I just gotta knock it down) :-D
  • 2 0
 Naa, err no, nope, no, none of em, just none of em.
  • 1 0
 Yikes. Bafang stuff is interesting but everything else is questionable at best…
  • 1 0
 Haha, the Greyp burn... The same feedback I left in their questionaire a few months ago.
  • 2 0
 hmmmmm
  • 1 0
 If you squint *really hard* the cybro looks like a Honda RN01
  • 1 0
 That’s heresy!

Never ever compare that cybrorg thing to the most legendary downhill machine ever created again!
  • 1 0
 The manufacturing process of that No.07 is going to give me nightmares
  • 1 0
 Cybro or American Eagle? Decisions, decisions...
  • 1 0
 Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
  • 1 0
 All awful looking things…. What were they smoking
  • 1 0
 Cybro no7 is hurting my eyes
  • 1 0
 Looks like a time travel trip back to history, all of them
  • 1 0
 The Cybro has 250 / 200 mm of suspension front and rear
  • 1 0
 cybro looks like honda RNO1
  • 1 0
 Euro kooks
  • 1 0
 Wtf
  • 1 1
 Some brand hired the designer of the Pivot Shuttle. My lord they are ugly
  • 4 4
 Uuuuuugly POS
  • 3 3
 I thought I will vomitBig Grin
  • 1 4
 Are these just rip off bike bicycles.
I mean have you heard of Bafang or Cybro before. where do they come from?
  • 9 0
 Bafang has been making e-bike motors for years, they're just not (yet) very common on proper MTBs
  • 5 0
 Bafang is huge and well established. Been around for years.
  • 4 0
 Bafang is huge and produce great stuff, their Ultra/M620 smokes every other motor on the market.
  • 4 6
 No, just no.







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