Day One Bikes and Tech - Sea Otter 2017

Apr 21, 2017
by Richard Cunningham  
Sea Otter Classic 2017 Fox had a Pivot Stage cyclocross bike decked out with a prototype suspension fork and dropper post.

Fox Transfer Dropper and AX Fork for Road Bikes

Fox debuted a Pivot Vault cyclocross bike equipped with a modified Transfer dropper seatpost and a 40-millimeter-stroke AX 32 Step-Cast fork. The one-by XTR drivetrain was converted to shift with a Shimano Dura-Ace lever via a Wolf Tooth roller cam, while the left-side brake lever was modified to operate the Transfer dropper. Product manager Mark Jordan says the project falls under Fox's "Open Project" development program where the R&D staff is free to reveal concepts as they progress towards possible production. Jordan says he has been crushing his Strava times on XC style training loops aboard the disc-brake-equipped Pivot speedster.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 40mm travel fork
AX Step Cast fork, reduced to a 40mm stroke.


Sea Otter Classic 2017 A short travel Transfer dropper post for the downs.
Cut-down Transfer dropper seatpost. The Pivot has a dropper-friendly seat tube diameter.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Wolf Tooth s roller-cam converts Shimano s road bike levers to shift an XTR mountain bike derailleur.
Shimano XTR changer adapted to Dura Ace STI lever with a Wolf Tooth Tanpan roller cam.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Modified shift brake lever operates the Transfer dropper post.
Shimano STI lever, modified to operate the Fox dropper post.


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Foes Racing made a pair of 150mm-travel Mutz at bikes to showcase the latest slider from Manitou

Manitou's Monster: 150mm Mastodon Fat Bike Fork

Manitou launches today, what may be the largest single-crown suspension fork known to man. The 150-millimeter-stroke Mastodon was mounted to this equally massive Foes Mutz fat bike, which also features 150-millimeters of travel and, like the Mastodon, it can handle the largest tire and rim combinations presently sold. Manitou says that the Mastodon damper is derived from the Mattoc Pro's MC2 damper, with an air spring from the Dorado. The damper and the Mastodon's internal bits have been imbued with internal workings designed to shrug of sub-zero temperatures, and the travel can be adjusted from 60 to 150 millimeters. Mastodon forks are offered for 26 or 27.5 wheels and at two price points: The Pro at $849 and the Comp at $649 USD.



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Vintage Willys Jeep at Shinola

Sea Otter 2017
...stylin' a sweet copper-plated city bike in the bed.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Mike Redding says that Fox Racing was showing their new movie Ride Your F king Bike for free - on an inflatable screen in the campground tonight.
Fox Racing's Mike Redding said that their crew were based in the Sea Otter camp grounds, where Fox brought in an inflatable screen and treated campers to a free showing of their new movie, Ride Your F**king Bike" last night. Redding, who produced the film, said that Fox was there just to ride bikes and enjoy the show this year.



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Whyte's S-150 CRS 29er was so fresh that the paint was still drying when they put it on display.

Whyte's Take on the Ultimate 29er AM/Trailbike

Whyte Bikes USA took possession of the new S-150 CRS only a few hours before the big show began. The 150-millimeter-travel 29er has a carbon front section, while the rear suspension is aluminum. The all-new chassis features sturdy clevis-type suspension pivots at the upper and lower stay positions, a collet-adjustable swingarm pivot, and a new upper rocker that has been beefed up considerably. Retained are Whyte's sealed cable and seatpost entry points, and its internal seatpost clamp. The geometry is just right for hard chargers, with a 66-degree head tube angle, 74-degree seat tube angle, and generous reach measurements across the size ranges. The Whyte's low-profile top tube means they can spec 150-millimeter dropper posts on the small and medium sizes and 170-millimeter droppers on the large and XL frames. The S-150 CFS will also be offered in a more-affordable aluminum version. Whyte USA will be sending PB a test rig for review when the first shipments arrive early this Summer. Can't wait.

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Clevis-type journals on the seat stays and swingarm.

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Plenty of clearance for up to 2.6-inch rubber up top...
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Water-bottle mounts on the down tube are a plus.

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...And excellent tire clearance in the bottom bracket area.



Sea Otter Classic 2017 321 Project hubs.
Made in Fresno, California, 321 Project hubs use magnetized freewheel pawls. Magnetic force increases dramatically with proximity, which means the pawls run nearly friction free when they are disengaged, but clamp tightly against the ratchet wheel when locked against the magnets.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 321 s freehub ratchet has over 200 engagement points. Magnetic pawl action dramatically reduces freehub friction while coasting.
321 Project freehubs feature over 200 engagement points and can be purchased in either a loud or a quiet configuration.



Abbey Tools Partners With RockShox

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Abbey Tools and RockShox teamed up to produce dedicated shop tools for its most popular forks and shocks.
Abbey Tools partnered with RockShox to offer a range of specialty tools for its most popular forks and shocks. They will be sold through RockShox's on-line and retail channels.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Abbey Tools Charger and Reverb wrenches.
Abbey Tools Charger and Reverb wrenches.


Sea Otter Classic 2017 Abbey Top Cap hexes.
Aluminum six-point top cap sockets
Sea Otter Classic 2017 Abbey bushing press removes and installs the eyelet bushings in RockShox dampers.
Bushing press removes and installs the eyelet bushings in RockShox dampers.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Abbey Cassette spline fits a 3 8 ratchet.
HD cassette spline and Reba top cap wrench has a 3/8" driver.

Sea Otter Classic 2017 Abbey s fork-seal press uses the upper bushings as a guide.
Abbey's seal driver kit has two Delrin plugs that nest into RockShox fork bushings to ensure perfect alignment.
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130 Comments

  • + 264
 Should we tell CX riders to just ride a mountain bike?
  • + 62
 seriously. A XC HT with sub 2" tires seems superior to this in every way. Especially aesthetically.
  • + 60
 In all honesty though, that bike is not for CX Racing. Its for the long gravel rides/offroad touring that seams to getting popular.
  • + 9
 @scissors888: a Niner RLT or Salsa Cutthroat seem like way better tools for that sort of job IMO.
  • + 22
 I don't feel the need for a suspension fork for my CX though, the beauty of it is NOT having suspension!!!
  • + 9
 If it's got a suspension fork does that mean you can ride it in baggies and a peak on your helmet?
  • + 16
 @shakeyakey: Never mind the pivot, did anyone notice the full sus with drop bars in the fox photo Eek thaat thing is a pig!
  • + 3
 @TerrapinBen: or a Ford f150 :-)
  • + 7
 I'm thinking I'm going to come out with a new road bike wheel size
  • + 8
 hipsters bro. hipsters....
  • + 1
 @Scotj009: Great spot
  • + 6
 @Scotj009: niner what are you thinkin!
  • + 1
 @TerrapinBen: This is kinda the same as throwing a short travel suspenion fork on the RLT or Cuttthroat. take a little bit of sting out of a 150km ride on washboard dirt roads .
  • + 10
 @scissors888: It's also called "I don't live near mountains biking."
  • + 3
 @zephxiii: can't upvote this enough!
  • + 6
 Suspension forks on road(ish) bikes look ugly. "Road" bikes are beatifull in their own way, in part due to their clean, elegant looks. A traditional suspension fork spoils that. An inverted one would possibly be more tolerable.

Anyway, it's pretty clear that a development has started with all the gravel bike experimentation that will result in... the modern XC race bike!
  • - 1
 Should we tell MTB ERS to switch to a lighter road bike frame. I detest drop bars but the rest of the bike seems a better way to go. Xc riders are just dirt roadies anyway. Before you say that the wheels will break you should give it a try. Now that road bikes have disc brakes who needs a hard tail xc bike?
  • + 3
 Seriously. As someone who spends a LOT of time pounding the pavement, I don't understand why the roadie/CX crowd are cobbling together what equate to really bad mountain bikes and calling it the next big thing. All the heft of a mountainbike, minus the capability... Oh yeah, it's a "gravel" or "adventure" bike... right.
  • + 3
 @Chadimac22: i own a 20lbs Cutthroat (which I'm sure some think is the most stoopidist-ist bike in the worl'). It weighs 2lbs more than my roadie. Why oh why?

I like underbiking boring-ish (on my trail/enduro) but close singletrack to just you know, have fun when riding as much as possible

Leaving my door, not knowing where I am going, and improvise. Gives me a sense of spontaneity and freedom.

I have a road/Cuthroat/enduro. B/c something something.. diversity... something something... better life.

Oh yeah, ride from my front door. not my car door.
  • + 1
 @scissors888: that's what 29+ is for
  • + 1
 @Syncromesh: Just get a Krampus. Ride and smile. You're not in a hurry and you're up for anything.
  • + 1
 I think the idea behind the pivot is a cx bike designed for xc style trails. Super sick imo
  • + 3
 @bmxrace121: having ridden a spooky supertouch for a few years on trails, I can say that you're better off with an XC bike for actual trails. I also noted that the local CX crowd was removing rocks from rock gardens and cutting out roots to make it possible for them to traverse the trail at the same pace as the XC guys. Witnessed it myself, seen the ruts caused by the CX crowd thinking "mud bro". These bikes work great as do all bikes, but they certainly don't do as well on trails compared to XC rides. Beenderdundat.
  • + 1
 @Scotj009: GMBN had a quick mention of it in one of their sea otter vids. Kinda interesting.
  • + 44
 That Abbey seal driver is absolutely brilliant. Also why are we all typing in italics
  • + 5
 Haha...I thought it was just a setting on my laptop with the italics. Glad it isn't just me..
  • + 8
 as someone who works at a shop and does fork overhauls everyday.. that seal press looks sexy af
  • + 2
 Well, technically speaking all these comments are quotes...and generally quotes are italicized.
  • + 6
 e-MTBs broke Pinkbike and screwed up the font! I knew it was just a matter of time! Wink
  • + 9
 with the italics it is like we talk like gentlemen and sirs.
  • + 4
 Fixed!
  • - 2
 A seal driver should be free with a fork though. Paying extra is total bs.
  • + 2
 @sevensixtwo: How is that? Forks aren't included with hex keys or star nut insert tools. Chains aren't included with chain breakers. Wheels aren't included with spoke tools. etc etc.
  • + 1
 @bman33: Proprietary components as expensive as a suspension fork should come with a tool to operate the propriety feature; especially when they're as cheap to make as a plastic seal inserter. For example, Mavic CrossMax wheels come with the spoke tool since they aren't standard spokes.
  • + 1
 @sevensixtwo: Still irrelevant. Mavic made a nice gesture. By your logic, every Ferrari, Mercedes, Porsche, etc. should come with a complete tool. Some do, some don't. A majority of bike tools are proprietary with regards to bicycles compared to the average Home Deport or Hardware store type tools. My SixC cranks (expensive) didn't come with a RaceFace BB tool. My SRAM Cassette (expensive) didn't come with a cassette tool.
  • + 15
 @bman33: My IKEA bed came with a little Allen wrench. Which is good because I have to tighten it back up every time your mom comes over.
  • + 0
 @bman33: no but seriously my european car came with a proprietary lug wrench for the wheels. And your race face cinch should come with a bsa30. That's bs. As for the cassette tool, it's not proprietary. Shimano and SRAM are compatible.
  • + 2
 @sevensixtwo: One, touche on the IKEA joke She is dead (seriously), but a good 'your mom' joke is always solid. Two, my SixC's using a Hope threaded BB for them now (also had to buy a proprietary wrench). I have a lug key for the locks on my Jeep, but it cost $35k new. Point is that if a manufacturer provides a tool, it's a bonus for a part such as a fork. Do they continue and provide a tool to extract and install new bushings in the lowers? It's a point of where does it stop?
  • + 2
 @bman33: well, when the fork includes a shock pump AND first service kit, it doesn't seem outlandish to include a seal driver, especially when it is proprietary...
  • + 0
 RS and Fox each have 3-4 different stanchion sizes. Requires multiple seal tools. If Cinch had 4 sizes, wouldn't you think it would come with a tool?
  • + 3
 Ok, you guys are right. Every bike and/or component should come with s complete set of tools.
  • + 4
 @bman33 @sevensixtwo one reason that forks should not come with a seal press is it encourages the home mechanic to do the job, i know installing fork seals and oil is not hard at all.. how ever i'm pretty sure fox and rockshox both highly recommend taking your fork to get it done by a professional in a shop (also a shop should be expected to have presses for all sizes) which is why they don't give the consumer any when purchasing the fork. I work in a shop and you would not imagine how many people a season purchase seals and say they can handle it at home, just to come back to the shop the next day with either a damaged seal or no actual clue how to do any of it. Going along with this anyone who has installed the new flange less fox seals a lot knows theyre extremely easy to damage and bend out of shape from being put in even at the slightest angle.
  • + 1
 @qman11: I agree 100%. Just gave up posting my point
  • - 1
 @qman11 So you're agreeing with me completely that it's a simple job, and that not including the tool only generates revenue for shops. Complete f*cking bullshit.
  • + 1
 @sevensixtwo: what do you have against shops? Dn those bastard shops making money. Lord forbid a local business makes money Your. Argument is getting childish. Back to my car example, do you expect a full set of tools for every car you purchase?
  • + 0
 Your car does come with a toolkit. You prob overlooked it when you called AAA for a flat tire.
  • + 1
 @sevensixtwo: my last 5 cars have a jack , and a lug key. That's it. Again, you are proving your childishness​ with every comment. Did you ask for drywall tools when you bought your house? How about special soldering equipment or micro screw drivers when you bought your laptop /iPhone? I guess you also whine to the dentist because he doesn't give you the special tools?
  • + 1
 @sevensixtwo: I see your profile is 100% blank.. guess I fell for a troll account. Silly me
  • + 24
 Probably get downvoted, but damn that Pivot CX is sexy. I ride a Charge steel CX bike on my road/bike path rides around Denver. Love to have a bit of travel on the front end to knock the edge off. Channeling their best Rock Shox Ruby impressions!
  • + 5
 I have a MTB frame with dropper bar, dropper post, 29" 2,2" tires. It´s a really great bike. It looks like a CX on steroids. Rides fast on tarmac, gravel, fire roads and single tracks. It´s a bit slow on the technical and descents but SO MUCH FUN. Highly recommend it Smile
  • + 2
 @Raffe: I have a similar set up and am wondering how to remove the shift pawls from my RS685 lever to turn it into a dropper remote. Any hints? I'm apprehensive because the only other time I opened a (clapped mtb) shimano shifter I totally effed it up, do not want to risk this much more expensive lever/
  • + 5
 Is this reverse psychology?
  • + 3
 @Raffe: I had a very similar set up for my 'road' bike for a few years. I really enjoyed it. I got a great deal on the Charge CX bike at the time so I jumped on it. I only ride my mountain bikes offroad. The CX bike is my 'road' bike for the days I can't make it to the trails.
  • + 1
 @arden0: Unfortunately I can´t help you with this one, I have SRAM Rival together Chainreactions Brand-X dropper. I just guided the wire through the shifter and connected it to the dropper, and viola.
But I think it should be as easy as changing gear cable on Shimano.
si.shimano.com/pdfs/dm/DM-BR0008-08-ENG.pdf
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ea5tpiM7I
  • + 3
 @arden0: You can check it here, it says how guys from Fox did it for their Transfer
www.ridefox.com/2016/content.php?c=openproject
  • + 1
 @vid1998: interesting link
  • + 3
 @arden0: Forget what I wrote earlier. I was oblivious to the fact that the shifter was modified. Here is a link how to do it www.peterverdone.com/sram-force-dropper-lever-mod
You could get in touch with him if he has any hints on the RS685 levers.
Cheers!
  • + 1
 @Raffe: Thank you!
  • + 26
 When you really want to try out road biking but you know your friends will make fun of you...
  • + 3
 "It's not a road bike guys... it's a modern-geo HT! Would a road bike have a dropper seat post and fox suspension?"
  • + 19
 That whyte looks just like a stump jumper
  • + 1
 Ha, that's what I was thinking! In related news, saw a dude in a suit walking around this bike, taking photos. His name badge read: "Joe Blow, Specialized Legal"
  • + 12
 What we need to know is does Santa have a new Nomad on the stand! We need to know
  • + 11
 I think everyone just wants to know about the Taniwha
  • + 1
 Agreed!!
  • + 9
 Those magnetic hubs sound quite attractive...
  • + 4
 dude that pivot is close to my dream bike, just needs spacing for 2.2 inch tyres, but didn't know of the wolf tooth adaptor for shimano's MTB mechs, as thought the only way to get that wide a range with 1x on a gravel bike was with Di2.
  • + 1
 SRAM Force or Apex can get you a 10-42 cassette. I have the Force version with a 42th chain ring.
  • + 2
 Old 9 spd mtb stuff is supposed to work with 10spd STI, I really hope so since I have that one the way to my "cx" bike haha!
  • + 7
 Manitou killing it on value.
  • + 5
 Does the "loud" version of the 321 hub totally negate the magnetic feature of keeping the pawls off the ratchet ring?
  • + 2
 Exactly what I was asking myself!!
  • + 7
 So want that fat fork.
  • + 5
 For your Pivot cross bike?
  • + 5
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  • + 1
 If you buy those hubs in "noisy" configuration, they also send you your Douchebags Mountain Bikers of America Gold membership.

It's one thing if you want baller hubs and they're a bit loud. It's another when you say, "Oh I can get the same sweet hubs in silent and loud... yeah lemme make sure everyone can hear my sick hubs."
  • + 8
 It saves having to say excuse me or buy a bell. Money well spent.
  • + 2
 Silent hubs ftw!
  • + 1
 Has anyone tried these in "quiet" mode? Just curious how silent they actually are.
  • + 2
 @duncanish4: Loud mode for bear country.
  • + 5
 Courtesy of Ahhhh! My eyes! Photography.
  • + 2
 Always thought about a road/touring bike with those sexy brake shift levers. Disk brakes and a front fork.
Then id pass some dentist on his uber 10000$
Road bike feeling fresh.
  • + 1
 Think that fox road dropper would work on a 27.2mm seattube? My girlfriend has a sweet custom steel hardtail and the only dropper that works is a piece of garbage X Fusion Hilo in 100mm. Would love to replace that with something useful.
  • + 1
 @e-loop: yes I saw this. 100mm still on the short side but thanks!
  • + 1
 It says in the caption below the pic that pivot made the frame dropper friendly.So i imagine they mean it has a 30.9 or 31.6 seat tube.
  • + 2
 No Fox doesn't have a dropper for a 27.2 mm seattube, only 30.9 and 31.6. But you can get one from KS, they have a special model of their Lev in 27.2
  • + 1
 Do you know what else fox head did? Started blasting terrible country music in the campsites at 11:30pm and left it on until past 1:30am, and they all ended up getting in a fist fight at around 1am, all while XC and Collegiate road racers had race start times as 7am the next day. I guess fox doesn't give a crap about their customers or their Brand's image
  • + 3
 What is that full suspension bike with dropped bars from Niner in the back of the picture with Mike Redding?
  • + 1
 Funny thing is, I saw that go by me on the bike path the other day here in foco colorado ???? they must've brought it up its a rkt with the road bike style bars
  • + 1
 Enduro-muter.
  • + 1
 Is it just me who got confused by the copper bike on the bed of the Willys truck. Thought it was a giant (as in huge, not the brand) bike for a second. Took a mo to adjust my perspective to understand what was going on.
  • + 3
 A dropper post, suspension fork and nobby tires on a road bike! What!!!!????
  • + 12
 Educate yourself damn it, it's gravel+
  • + 1
 @robot870: the sad thing is, Waki is actually serious... it's a new thing now... roadies are turning their bikes into mountainbikes using geometry, tire size, and suspension travel specifications from 1998, but they're calling it the next big thing. Because, you know... it's a "gravel bike" or "adventure bike".
  • + 1
 @Chadimac22: I think it's good what happens in "roadie" world these days (although dropper is probably a step too far)- what's sad is that it took roadies 20 years of evolution of a mountain bike to realize that their bikes can be improved to suit more activities than just pedalling. Road bike geometry is terrible for the body as it is a compromise between power delivery and aerodynamics, and the latter plays a rather big role. Now they also realized that skinny tyres are barely good for the road - 25c is a standard now and few years back you would still see guys on 21 or even 19c. Cuz faster. Now why would you ride on asphalt all the time with cars wizzing around you? Road riding is a fkng extreme sport, people get killed and injured for life all over the world. So why not start riding on gravel roads to skip the risk or at least get a variation during your ride, considering that you aren't really racing (even when you are racing) and you can easily live with a slightly fatter tyre? Add some damping, even for full on road bikes - why wouldn't you? Moto gp motorbikes have 100mm of suspension or more and ride on smoother surfaces than roadies. Road bike has remained pretty much unchanged since 50 years. It's about time to get the thumb out of their elitist ass. It wiuld be also cool if UCI stepped back and removed idiotic golfish, elitist regulations on road bike tech. I want to see 4kg road bikes racing, with aero shapes. Only this year we got some big step in TT/Triathlon bikes - amazing designs coming through.

I am looking at it from the other side around for myself. For this winter I will build myself a 27,5+/29er. 27,5+ for sloppy muddy winter/spring riding in the woods to ride otherwise unrideable trails and 29er for the interval/sprint training on gravel aaaand road. 2.5" slicks on 29" wheels mmmmmm
  • + 4
 maybe RS can get Abbey Tools to machine all their stuff from now on.....
  • + 4
 My goodness the cycle industry looks desperate right now
  • + 2
 Are Whyte bikes buyable in the States? Or jusst shipped straight to consumer from overseas?
  • + 2
 @wannabeabiker: They ship from Northern California. Check out: www.whyteusa.com
  • + 1
 @kwapik: Awesome, Thanks!
  • + 3
 @TheRaven: anyone want to de-engineer the 321 hub?
  • + 3
 no, but I kinda want to maybe buy one
  • + 1
 @whytebikesUSA: I like the new 29er. Looks great. What are the geometry numbers on the S-150 CFS? Also, will there be a frame only option? Thanks.
  • + 3
 200 engagement points. 300 would be better.
  • + 1
 Why not go for 400... who's in for more?
  • + 1
 @stobimax: one step at a time
  • + 3
 Where is shimano's new Saint and ZEE?
  • + 1
 Rather than a one inch fork, get a Brooks saddle with some springs on it. Cheaper, lighter, lasts a lifetime, and never needs rebuilding.
  • + 1
 Largest single crown known to man? I think the 150mm Wren fat bike fork takes that title.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/14639808
  • + 1
 Cuyuna \o/
  • + 1
 Love the Willys P/up copper bike combo. We have a shop in East van building bikes like that. Sweet city slicker.
  • + 2
 That Whyte looks a lot like a stumpjumper...
  • + 1
 why would anyone buy the quiet version of that hub?
  • + 1
 Sound = energy. Some (very minimal) resistance is created by the pawls slapping against the hub shell. A loud version is probably producing more slap and sapping more energy from your rolling momentum.
  • + 1
 I love quiet hubs! I really don't like the buzzing of loud hubs. My 240s are awesome and quiet!
  • + 1
 Wouldn't mind a razz on that Whyte
  • + 1
 Foes Racing what can I say, made in the good old USA.
  • + 1
 Does a fork for your road bike make you impervious to getting hit by cars?
  • + 1
 That whyte looks like a perfect do it all bike!
  • + 1
 That Willyz is so rad.
  • - 1
 If you need an inch of travel on any bike you a little bitch
  • + 6
 Smile

I was gonna say if you need a suspension fork & dropper you should just buy an xc bike and actually have fun.
  • + 3
 So what does that make you if you need six inches of travel?
  • + 6
 @TheRaven: enduro bro
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