We from Daysaver have developed a high quality, professional multitool together with PB Swiss Tools.
Multitools are now available in all shapes and sizes but as mature as the tools may seem, many disadvantages are still unsolved. The tools are tricky to use, their shape makes it impossible to reach many places on the bike, they are usually heavy and large and some systems are tied to a mount in the handlebar, stem or crank.
We from Daysaver - all of us passionate bikers and racing cyclists ourselves - want to clean up this mess. Together with PB Swiss we have developed a multi-tool that is as big as the well-known Allen key, weighs 45 grams and provides 9 tools. And because we are 100% convinced of the quality of our tool, you get a lifetime warranty.
The Innovation: nested bits
The Daysaver: 9 tools, 45 grams, lifetime warranty, produced by PB Swiss Tools.
The Innovation
We - that is Peter, Dani and Elam - have combined our passion with the knowledge from our work as innovation managers to develop a new kind of multitool. The basis was the minimal form of a classic Allen key, which ensures ideal accessibility and with which - via the two different lever lengths - the right torque can be applied. The innovation lies ultimately in the nesting of 4 bits. Two on each side, which can be flipped and inserted into each other. This makes the Daysaver a multi-talent that will give you 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 Allen, 25 Torx and a slotted screwdriver. Everything you need in an emergency to save the day.
Nine full-fledged tools: The ninth tool is to be determined by the community.
The multitool designed in this way offers a whole range of advantages. With a bulky minitool you can't reach many screws on your bike properly. Result: worn screws or scratches on the frame. With the simple and slim form of our tool you can get to every screw and tighten or loosen it in the right way. That is a promise.
Every screw on the bike is accessible.
Screws are sensitive creatures. With the wrong torque they are either broken or tightened too loosely. With the two different lever lengths of our tool you can give each screw the necessary amount of love. Your screws will thank you with endless fun.
With the short lever you have a feeling for small torques.
With the long lever you can apply large torques without the tool folding away.
The Daysaver Mount
The Daysaver is so small that you can easily carry it in your jersey or shorts pocket. If you prefer to transport the Daysaver on the frame, the minimalistic Daysaver Mount gives you the possibility to attach the tool to the bottle cage mount. You don't have to ride without the bottle cage. It is simply mounted over the mount: no compromises!
Minimal and lightweight: the Daysaver Mount.
On top: The bottle cage fits on top of the Daysaver Mount and the tool can be removed without fumbling.
Swiss quality and sustainability
We leave nothing to chance. Quality and sustainability are at the top of the list of requirements in development. The tool has already been thoroughly tested in the prototype phase and exceeds the standards regarding torque. And with PB Swiss Tools as a production partner, the best on the market have been won for the project, so that you also get a tool that makes no compromises in terms of application and quality. That's why we offer a lifetime warranty on the Daysaver!
We live, work and bike in the bicycle paradise of Switzerland. For us it was clear: We want to do everything here on our doorstep in close cooperation with friends and partners. That's why Daysaver is 100% made in Switzerland.
Those bits aren't quite the standard 1/4" fit so if I a customer loses one of them, are you able to supply spares and what would these cost?
As for the "up to you" tool, I'd say: -2.5mm allen key -PH2 for L and H screw adjustments -10mm allen key for people running Shimano Octalink cranks -knife for cutting off excess tire plugs (as most portable tire pluggers don't come with a knife, and because you're Swiss)
This said, I personally prefer not having loose bits on my tool as I can definitely see myself losing them in the mud/sand/grass/between rocks. But it is an interesting product and I wish you all the best!
@billreilly: I once didn't cut off the excess. I felt like it was being ripped out and the trail wiggling it would open the puncture every now and then, finding traces of sealant near the plugged hole. I could trim it short and then later I could see more poking out. Only when I trimmed it completely flush it did stay put properly. So that's what I do now. Plus of course, it doesn't just "disappear". It just cuts/wears off and gets lost on the trail. Now I don't even know what material this is (biodegradable or not) but of course if I get to choose to litter or to not litter, the choice should be obvious, at least for me.
@lognar: I am aware that there are quite a few who make centerlock hubs (the regular ones, not the oversized 2004 Saint ones). However, are there many brands who actually supply their brakes with centerlock rotors? I can only think of Magura back in 2007, but these were aftermarket rotors and probably only in 2007.
I was all ready to back this but $109 is way out of line. I expected maybe $40 at the most. Plus if Kickstarter backers generally get a deal for being the first to support then how much will this end up being at production. I know it's expensive to make a nice product but that price is what's keeping your support low.
Well if people will pay an extra $1000 for a carbon frame that saves you 500g over aluminium, the price kinda makes sense for the weight savings you're getting
Funny part is, you thought the tool would be $40, but the mount alone costs over $40 in addition to the $100 tool... And you're right - for a Kickstarter to have this price, what are they expecting MSRP to be? And, will it hold up as well as a solid allen key?
@RonSauce: That's a no. Like anything needed on a ride having it at home is useless. One Up Components EDC tool is awesome. Tried many different tools since I started on the rigid MTB in the mid 80's. Buy the tap kit from One Up and you're set for every bike you own until what ever Levy dreams up in the future that doesn't have a steerer tube.
@GeneralGroovus: im responding to the weight saving comment. Unless an EDC weighs less than nothing, a bolt check is still your best bet to save weight.
Why not $4? So frustrating seeing people complaining on the price of something that is locally made in the most top quality. You are getting a multi tool that you will have for the end of your life and it will work. We are so used to cheap poor shit that we buy in so big quantities that we can't realize anymore what is a normal price of a high quality tool made by people who are paid a normal wage, who have local resources, etc.
It is pricy, BUT, there is a price for everyone. There will be someone willing to pay the price because it safe weight & the space probably the reason why you almost become one of the backers.
@trillot: was looking for the price... I'll keep my old, rusty and "heavy" (200grm) and faithfull multitool! I like it... will be looking in Aliexpress
This is a really great idea, and Iād be into it for about $30. The money is crazy. Just a thought to the designers - Itād be good to consider how it fits together with a whole ecosystem - chain breaker; tyre plugs; 10mm sleeve for the 8mm key (suits some cranks); the ability to take a standard tool bit so that you can supplement the base functions with your-bike-specific ones, at minimal cost and weight penalty.
Exactly what I was thinking. Add 150g for a separate chain tool and 40g for a seperate spoke tool, and it will have nearly 3 times the weight of my Fabric 16-in-1 multi-tool, which weighs 110g (and includes all of these).
In my opinion a chain tool and spoke tool are basic necessities to bring to every ride as well and you can't calculate the total weight of your tool kit without adding those. They prevent me from having to walk back 10km+ to the car at least once a year.
@Mattin: kmc makes a 35g chain tool. Or lezyne has one integrated into a chainlink plier w a rotor tool. Which does anyone really need a masterlink plier trailside, or spoke wrench for that matter? Your wheels will be fine a little loose until you get home.
@lognar: Then it's still the same weight, only many times as expensive and less practical to carry as it's 3 seperate pieces.
Spokes being a little loose is fine, but with newly laced wheels spokes can become more than just a little loose, especially if you're planning long full day rides. You might need them after a crash as well.
I don't bring master link pliers: to close the master link I make sure the master link is on the top half of the chain, I pull my rear brake and push down the pedal. That will thighten the link. To open them I can ghetto fix that with 2 rocks. I won't reuse the masterlink anyways so it doesn't matter if it's not in a perfect state afterwards. People using break pins in Shimano chains won't need them either.
@shredjekyll: that's pretty similar to this - if it had the bit holders doubling up as 8mm hex, and had one on both ends it would be better. Still no chain breaker. Which is a deal breaker. Sorry. I'll get my coat...
@Ozziefish: I have an SLX derailleur & luckily my Topeak Alien XS has that size on it because it's a tiny allen. I just assumed it was a flat since I've not even been on clutch derailleurs until recently.
OK. So...after that sassy comment (that @pinkbikeaudience won't let me delete because they have clicks to get if you make the wrong sentence)....I looked at that tool.
That is a REALLY COOL tool! It would 100% be worth stashing in my car for those "well crap" moments at the trail head. Plus, if they cut a chain link hole into the exterior of it, molded a pair of tire levers to each side that clicked into that have chain pliers on their tips, you'd have all the stuff you need tucked in 1 tiny spot in your pack. Then you could have your tube on the frame, tire plug in your pocket or a side pouch for those panic stop puncture pluggers. Don't know how you'd incorporate a chain breaker though. It's the only thing really missing that would be a separate piece to bother you.
@jpat22: thing is, this is just as useless as a traditional folding tool for removing pedals - this will cut into your palm, whereas a folding tool might actually have a better handle... but neither will be able to remove pedals unless you've just mounted them 2 days ago
@RonSauce: so why do they need to "apply large torques without the tool folding away" when you obviously said they "only need enough torque to tighten a pedal on" ?
@f00bar: its still takes torque to tighten on a pedal and I'm sure the tool could stand up to loosening a pedal, it just wouldn't be comfortable. You are acting as if an 8mm Allen key is made out of rolled up newspaper.
There is nothing that requires much torque at all that gets done outside of a shop. You don't need a multitool to hold up to 40nm.
Why would you ever need to loosen pedals trailside? That lever will, however, apply enough torque to tighten a loose pedal and let you finish the ride.
PB Swiss, for when Wera is too common and cheap All kidding aside, I'd consider PB the best there is material and precision wise. More deserving of their reputation than even Snap On (because everything they make is truly Swiss and high quality). For this type of tool though, the pricing is personally a bit much. But I can fully understand someone with enough money and appreciation of great tools ordering them.
i have so many multi tools that are missing one adapter or option that is not permanently attached. I hate that when I go to use them and am missing the exact piece I need. I will not buy this tool even though it is a weight weenie win.
Beautiful tool as I needed something like this when my bottle cage bolts loosened/rattled and my crank brothers multi tool was a bit cumbersome to turn in between my bottle cage. Unfortunately someone in China is working on a duplicate as we speak..
We have done it! After only 3 days we reached the finish line at Kickstarter! The daysaver becomes reality. Thanks to all who supported us and drove us with their enthusiasm. You are great!:hüpf::i2:
We have also heard the critical voices here in the forum and we take it very seriously. It has set things in motion and you will definitely hear from us again on the topic in early 2021! That's a promise!
No need for a special mount when you can just cover it with duct tape on your frame. But make sure it's secure cause for $77 you don't want to lose it.
What's the point of owning such an expensive tool if you don't frame it in the official mount before riding it around the parking of your local trails to let the other riders see how sophisticated your taste in multi tools is? Pockets are for plebs.
@Counsel: I left a multi tool in my pocket, somehow in the washer it came apart. I ended up having to replace the ejector pump. I've left a tool in the car when I was getting ready, left my multi tool with my keys when I got a ride. Had a tool fall out of my pocket. Some tool/pocket combos it flops around. I've landed on tools and received some notable injuries.
Dragging an emergency tool around in your pocket makes much less sense then strapping it to your bike and not worring about it until you need it. Just not at this price.
I love my pb swiss allen keys. I've definitely mistreated them and they haven't skipped a beat. They're definitely not cheaply made mass produced stuff. But you do end up paying for it.
To back it to the level to get one tool and the frame mount is 99 swiss franks.... which is about $144 CAD or about $105USD. I think I'll wait for series production to bring the price down.
Well, one must take into account the ādouble-lightnessā of that tool concept: first, the tool is light, second your wallet gets considerably lighter as well. So in reality the price is not a bug but a feature!
Minimalist tools are great to carry around until you actually need them. Tools that stash in your bike a great too... for the tool makers since you need one for every bike you own... because you will forget to move a single one around and of course one size doesnt fit all.
My multi is a TOP-ark. Topeak tools in a Park chassis because the Park bits were too short to be useful for anything. Couldnt reach most bolts on the bar controls. Another Park fail. the Topeak chain breaker broke...
funny where fops decide to save weight. I imagine a simple first aid kit is out of the question. Whadya need all that blood for ant way?
yeah, park multitools suck. The only time I ever needed a chain breaker trailside and it stripped and broke. I contacted park thinking "they could send me a new bit, hell they are a big company maybe they will replace the tool". They never even responded.
Bits suck, ergonomics suck, they are heavy. I do keep the 6-8mm adapter socket though.
Anybody notice that in the torque test they clamp the elbow of the tool and the insert bit on the other end, I wonder how that 1mm wall thickness will hold up to torque when I'm trying to tighten a pedal without a bit in
I would just like to see that torqe test turned around... because there is no way you could make that much power without pliers and screw or unscrew a bolt or what ever it' s just a toy for dentists
I think making this a kickstarter is kind of sketchy to begin with as this product is not going to be that hard to manufacture and if it had a decent market at a reasonable price it would be easy to get a loan from a bank.
Crowd funding is about lots more than just money. One of the primary benefits is engaging with an enthusiastic group of early adopters. Nothing sketchy about that.
@Afterschoolsports: Crowdfunding is more than money... its literally only about money, or they would have a better name for it.
Its asking customers to act as investors, without getting the benefits investors get and a work around to avoiding answering to investors. You see, they obviously have investors, thats how the ads get paid for. Crowdfunding is just another form of insurance for investors that takes advantage of consumers.
@RonSauce: yeah I suggest you do some reading on the topic. Companies with funding frequently crowdfund for the other reasons. Engagement, feedback and marketing being the primary additional benefits.
@Afterschoolsports: correct, all these reasons you state are services companies usually pay for. Crowdfunding is asking you to pay to give your feedback.
"You know the IKEA wrenches you throw away after every purchase? It'll continue to have no leverage, but interchangeable bits! And cost thrice what a functional multitool does!"
But wait, where's the bottle opener? I thought you're not allowed to ride without being fully prepared for a post-ride beer. Buy this and you'll die of thirst for sure!
Hi It depends on the mini-pump holder. As you can flip our mount you can place the pump on the other side. We are thinking of a combined holder for pump/cartridge and tool. In our vision there will be down the road a variety of mounts that you can buy according to your needs.
As for the "up to you" tool, I'd say:
-2.5mm allen key
-PH2 for L and H screw adjustments
-10mm allen key for people running Shimano Octalink cranks
-knife for cutting off excess tire plugs (as most portable tire pluggers don't come with a knife, and because you're Swiss)
This said, I personally prefer not having loose bits on my tool as I can definitely see myself losing them in the mud/sand/grass/between rocks. But it is an interesting product and I wish you all the best!
@lognar: I am aware that there are quite a few who make centerlock hubs (the regular ones, not the oversized 2004 Saint ones). However, are there many brands who actually supply their brakes with centerlock rotors? I can only think of Magura back in 2007, but these were aftermarket rotors and probably only in 2007.
Its a high quality niche product made in Switzerland- dont expect low prices.
Even at 40, it would still be four times the price of the Park rescue wrench
www.amazon.co.uk/Park-Tool-Rescue-Wrench-Multi-Tool/dp/B000OZ9WTQ
Mind you, it's about the only multi tool that'll work for a Formula Cura lever screw, so props for that alone.
That's a no. Like anything needed on a ride having it at home is useless.
One Up Components EDC tool is awesome. Tried many different tools since I started on the rigid MTB in the mid 80's.
Buy the tap kit from One Up and you're set for every bike you own until what ever Levy dreams up in the future that doesn't have a steerer tube.
You can get their other bike specific tool for half the price.
www.shop.pbtools.us/PB-470-BikeTool_c2.htm
Made by PB Swiss... I have two... Fantastic... Bits are incredibly high quality.
I like it... will be looking in Aliexpress
Amazon has none, but did find them on desertcart & ebay, links below, but not inexpensive....
$75.00 CDN canada.desertcart.com/products/6683507
$68.00 USD www.ebay.com/p/2254370185
$42.99 CDN williamsfoodequipment.com/swiss-army-bike-tool-victorinox-4-1329us1?gclid
fyi
Just a thought to the designers - Itād be good to consider how it fits together with a whole ecosystem - chain breaker; tyre plugs; 10mm sleeve for the 8mm key (suits some cranks); the ability to take a standard tool bit so that you can supplement the base functions with your-bike-specific ones, at minimal cost and weight penalty.
In my opinion a chain tool and spoke tool are basic necessities to bring to every ride as well and you can't calculate the total weight of your tool kit without adding those. They prevent me from having to walk back 10km+ to the car at least once a year.
Spokes being a little loose is fine, but with newly laced wheels spokes can become more than just a little loose, especially if you're planning long full day rides. You might need them after a crash as well.
I don't bring master link pliers: to close the master link I make sure the master link is on the top half of the chain, I pull my rear brake and push down the pedal. That will thighten the link. To open them I can ghetto fix that with 2 rocks. I won't reuse the masterlink anyways so it doesn't matter if it's not in a perfect state afterwards. People using break pins in Shimano chains won't need them either.
Heās right though, my bikes havent had a flat screw on them in ages
I just assumed it was a flat since I've not even been on clutch derailleurs until recently.
That is a REALLY COOL tool! It would 100% be worth stashing in my car for those "well crap" moments at the trail head. Plus, if they cut a chain link hole into the exterior of it, molded a pair of tire levers to each side that clicked into that have chain pliers on their tips, you'd have all the stuff you need tucked in 1 tiny spot in your pack. Then you could have your tube on the frame, tire plug in your pocket or a side pouch for those panic stop puncture pluggers.
Don't know how you'd incorporate a chain breaker though. It's the only thing really missing that would be a separate piece to bother you.
Perhaps you mean 1/3 the cost? lol
One times less means $77 - $77 = $0 (for free).
Three times less means $77 - 3 x $77 = $-154.
So they will actually give you the tool and $154 for free in your pocket.
I like his way of thinking.
...umm, that's a really, really tiny lever, good luck loosening pedals with that
"With the long lever you can apply large torques without the tool folding away."
You on the other hand mentioned removing pedals 3 times in 2 posts and how big of an issue it is.
There is nothing that requires much torque at all that gets done outside of a shop. You don't need a multitool to hold up to 40nm.
Somehow thats a standard business plan, why wouldn't it work for consumers?
All kidding aside, I'd consider PB the best there is material and precision wise. More deserving of their reputation than even Snap On (because everything they make is truly Swiss and high quality). For this type of tool though, the pricing is personally a bit much. But I can fully understand someone with enough money and appreciation of great tools ordering them.
We have done it! After only 3 days we reached the finish line at Kickstarter! The daysaver becomes reality. Thanks to all who supported us and drove us with their enthusiasm. You are great!:hüpf::i2:
We have also heard the critical voices here in the forum and we take it very seriously. It has set things in motion and you will definitely hear from us again on the topic in early 2021! That's a promise!
Dragging an emergency tool around in your pocket makes much less sense then strapping it to your bike and not worring about it until you need it. Just not at this price.
Clicks Kickstarter link >
Also Me: $104 for the tool and a mount???
My multi is a TOP-ark. Topeak tools in a Park chassis because the Park bits were too short to be useful for anything. Couldnt reach most bolts on the bar controls. Another Park fail. the Topeak chain breaker broke...
funny where fops decide to save weight. I imagine a simple first aid kit is out of the question. Whadya need all that blood for ant way?
Bits suck, ergonomics suck, they are heavy. I do keep the 6-8mm adapter socket though.
Its asking customers to act as investors, without getting the benefits investors get and a work around to avoiding answering to investors. You see, they obviously have investors, thats how the ads get paid for. Crowdfunding is just another form of insurance for investors that takes advantage of consumers.
Crowdfunding is asking you to pay to give your feedback.
Search "Victorinox Swiss Army Bike Tool" on amazon.
www.planetcyclery.com/tacx-mini-allen-key-set
It depends on the mini-pump holder. As you can flip our mount you can place the pump on the other side. We are thinking of a combined holder for pump/cartridge and tool. In our vision there will be down the road a variety of mounts that you can buy according to your needs.
This is WAY better lol