DH Bikes of the Southridge Fontana Winter Series

Jan 11, 2015
by Scott McClain  
We made our way around a packed venue for the Southridge USA Season Opener and checked in with several pro riders including a couple of World Cup factory riders. We scoped out some new products and some products still in the prototype / testing phases.

Fontana round 1 2015

It has become common for World Cup pros from the SoCal area to show up to the first round of the Winter Series as it is good practice. Specialized Factory Rider Aaron Gwin took a second for a quick bike check.


Fontana round 1 2015

No surprise, Gwin looked to be in winning fashion during practice on Saturday but decided not to race in the rain on Sunday.


Fontana round 1 2015

Jacob Jordan isn't a pro, but at the early age of 16 years old and competing in junior expert this weekend, he was the brain and brawn behind the course, so we felt like he should be mentioned.


Fontana round 1 2015

Intense Bikes Pro Rider Dylan Unger is an up and comer. His 951 EVO features DVO suspension.


Fontana round 1 2015

Ray Syron, riding for Evil Bikes, Outdoor Technology and 100%, moved to San Diego CA from the East Coast so he could race the Winter Series.


Fontana round 1 2015

Santa Cruz rider Evan Turpen had a decked out V10 that included this beautiful one-off paint scheme.


Fontana round 1 2015

Turpen was also running a prototype Chris King's Buzzworks Offset headset, which gives riders 8mm of additional cockpit room.


Fontana round 1 2015

Evan was also running a 54 tooth star ratchet that Bontrager developed in conjunction with DT Swiss for quicker engagement on their 350 hubs.


Fontana round 1 2015

Jon Buckell and the rest of the Enduro Team for Incycle will be making the move to Intense this year. Jon decided to race the DH and Super D on the New Tracer Carbon T275 this weekend and while it was a demo bike, he still managed first place in Super D and was top ten in Pro DH.


Fontana round 1 2015

Speaking of Intense, We saw what appeared to be a variation of an M9 floating around but didn't get a clean shot of it as it stayed hidden most of the weekend. What we did see was their Carbine 29er boasting a DVO Diamond 29er fork. No other info from the guys at DVO though.


Fontana round 1 2015

Kevin Aiello from the Factory KHS team was there this weekend, rocking some new Fox goodies and finished in 2nd place behind team mate Logan Binggeli.


Fontana round 1 2015

Logan Binggeli is always a threat at Fontana, and walked away with the win this weekend.


Fontana round 1 2015

The KHS team had factory Fox support at the race and were running custom tuned Float X air shocks.


Fontana round 1 2015

Marzocchi rep David Merideth had a GT Force Pro with their new fork on it. The 350 NCR Ti is a 4.74 lbs 160mm 27.5 wheel fork that features a 15mm QR, their NCR enduro specific cartridge, and their exclusive Dynamic Bleed System for a semi-open bath lubrication, plus 35mm stanchions with the Espresso Treatment.


Fontana round 1 2015

Rounding out the finds from the weekend was the new Commencal Meta V4. There were a lot of great features on this bike and according to the rep, price points will start at a very affordable $2500 for the entry level build.


Fontana round 1 2015

The way the the rear shock tucks into the top tube is eye catching, as was the BOS suspension the bike was outfitted with.


Stay tuned for more coverage from the Southridge Winter Series as the winter season progresses - who knows who or what we might run in to.

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113 Comments
  • 105 13
 God damn that KHS is fugly! I know terrible clothes from the early 90's are in right now but front triangles on bikes from the 90's should have stayed dead.
  • 42 6
 Because UGLY didn't just take the #1 and #2 spot in the Pro class today lol....... Mad
  • 27 4
 function before form
  • 50 4
 For my money, function AND form thanks very much.
  • 15 3
 It's the rider that wins not the bike
Unless you meant the riders are fully......
Wink
  • 13 1
 Fugly!! Damned auto correct
  • 3 3
 How bout that 951 that thing is sick. Wonder why he's not running a jade if he rides for DVO?
  • 11 2
 A prototype M9 and no pictures whats the world coming to.
  • 8 3
 what gets me is more trail bikes than DH rigs....

on these shots @ least
  • 2 0
 top tube looks like a dominatrix
  • 3 4
 I'd love to see them race an actual big boy bike there vs. gwin.... Ahahah ya I thought so
  • 4 2
 surely no one,but no one will pay to own that KHS,sack everyone and start again your product sucks massive hairy balls.
  • 2 1
 Im sorry, yes KHS bikes are a good value but lots of other bikes are as well, yes function is important but when you have 10 other enduro bikes that are all killer rides AND they look rad… To me the choice is simple. Also I have seen quite a few KHS bikes, and to me, up close, they look like a value bike, welds, fit, finish to me doesn't look top notch.
  • 2 0
 Are they not rebranded mondrakers?
  • 1 0
 @antgreen most likely the same TW manufacturer ...
  • 1 0
 @jmbrit- have you ever been to fontana? dh bikes are too much for that flat place
  • 1 3
 Quit acting like a lil bitch Ronny. Your just hating the fact that your homeless welfare bitch ass cant afford one. KHS is in the lead with all MTB bikes for a reason not to mention they always come in first. So crawl your ignorant feminine bitch ass back under the rock that you hide under
  • 1 0
 khs is the us version of orange.
  • 47 2
 The dude with the trail lid and ODB shirt is the winner of this photo article.
  • 7 0
 shimmy shimmy ya Smile
  • 1 0
 Haha agreed.
  • 1 1
 I like "RAWWWWWW"!!!!!!
  • 35 1
 It was raining in Fontana on race day. I never thought those words would come together in a sentence.
  • 4 1
 I know right. It's always dry and either a tornado or no wind at all.
  • 4 2
 And Gwin didn't want race in the rain?
Waaaaaah-waaa
  • 3 0
 2 years ago it rained like 3/5 of the races. so sweet
  • 1 0
 TRUTH yeti
  • 1 1
 Gwin went home for supercross, not for rain.
  • 1 0
 He went to phoenix for the supercross?
There's a thing called a DVR, now....
  • 19 2
 Guess gwin didn't want to lose to the KHS guys again
  • 6 0
 Looks like Gwins opted to get demo time in as opposed to modified enduro saddle time. Fontana comes down to the flat road sprint, aka the wall. As a fan, I don't want I see him miss wc bc sum fontana crash anyways, let alone a wc racer get a flat this season.
  • 3 1
 Rain on a mostly rocky course probably had a lot to do with it. The WC is what his sponsors pay for.
  • 2 8
flag rob1234512 (Jan 12, 2015 at 17:09) (Below Threshold)
 I've riddin fontucky plenty non of the other riders opted out Seems kind a pre-Madonna-ish!
  • 14 2
 hope all you nerds realize Fontana is keeping this sport alive and well in so cal. and at the end of the day this is a warm up/ training event for the guys and girls putting money into funding a race season. long live american racing and f*ck the rest of ya!
  • 3 2
 Hell ya screw these computer doods and there commente
  • 13 0
 Good to see Aiello running a water bottle for what is allegedly a DH race.
  • 3 1
 thats the joke
  • 12 0
 Not much tire clearance on that carbine 29 er ??
  • 5 1
 The clearance was tight on there with the 29" DH tire and wider ENVE rims. If you run a enduro type tire theres plenty of clearance, about the same as the other guys.
  • 1 3
 Wider Enve rims? Do they have a new one out? They are a bit behind the "wide" curve.
  • 2 0
 @Orangesicle wider as opposed to their other offerings in 21mm, 21mm, and 23mm.
  • 1 0
 As in more than 25mm on the 70 and 90? New molds?
Nah. Can't be.
  • 9 1
 "Rounding out the finds from the weekend was the new Commencal Meta V4. There were a lot of great features on this bike and according to the rep, price points will start at a very affordable $2500 for the entry level build."

PB- this is a bike that needs to be reviewed…notice the price point!
  • 1 0
 Ignore this post.
  • 1 0
 Found it...

www.pinkbike.com/news/commencal-meta-x4-race-review-2015.html

Ignore the fact that the link says "x4", it's really the "v4".
  • 12 1
 That moment when 'blue' becomes a 'beautiful one-off paint scheme'...
  • 1 0
 hahaha true
  • 9 0
 Why wouldn't Gwin race in the rain? Possible injury would keep him out of future world cups?
  • 26 0
 lets be honest, we really just show up to fontana for the practice day anyways
  • 2 0
 Duh
  • 33 15
 His Specialized Demo was not rain specific, the rear centre and low pivot location balance favors dry tracks. It is simple science, get a book on physics. There is also too much stiction in his Fox, and he would have to change the seals and oil. Most importantly, he was not on Pike. As soon as Pike is around everyone should ride Pike, because it is the most sensible choice.
  • 11 3
 waki you sound salty. whats up buddy? what can we do to turn that frown upside down?
  • 6 0
 @jaycubzz Pretty sure he was just being sarcastic.
  • 11 2
 jaycubzz - there was no sugar in my coffeee...
  • 4 3
 @ScottStedman If you didnt catch the humour (sarcasm) in my comment then you should probably rethink your life
  • 3 0
 @jaycubzz Damn dude, no need to be testy. Lighten up.
  • 4 2
 No scott. Just kill yourself because your sarcasm font wasnt installed properly.
  • 1 5
flag jaycubzz (Jan 12, 2015 at 18:32) (Below Threshold)
 @ScottStedman 0 for 2 bud. keep swingin youll get a hit eventually hahaha
  • 1 0
 He went to supercross in Phoenix
  • 6 0
 Good thing the kids bikes are getting better, pretty son Lil Shredders will have to build a 26" model since every one is shifting to 27.5
  • 4 1
 "Turpen was also running a prototype Chris King's Buzzworks Offset headset, which gives riders 8mm of additional cockpit room."

As someone who doesn't ride DH as often as he'd like to, 8mm seems fairly negligible. Can anyone point out why it isn't? Honest question, cheers.
  • 7 0
 Well, basically jumps in between frame sizes are about 20-30mm in reach.
So if you can squeeze out 8mm with that headset that´s pretty much half a framesize.
And considering stems go in steps of 5mm, it´s like a full "stem size". Like going from a 50mm to a 40mm stem, which at least in my opinion is very noticable.
  • 2 0
 I hope that headset doesn't stay a prototype for too long.. It could be a godsend for people (like me) that ride a frame thats just a little too small for them. How is that already not a thing!
  • 4 0
 Didn't realize the difference between frame size's reach was so little. Thanks for the info, I can definitely see the appeal now.
  • 6 0
 As Peaty and Minnaar also run them it says to me that Santa Cruz have got the reach wrong on a lot of their bikes and riders are using this to fix it. As they are carbon it's not very easy/cost effective to build a bunch of new frames.
  • 1 0
 Loki87, If you rotate the top cup of a works component angleset 180 degrees it should accomplish the same thing.
  • 3 0
 Works components already make one of these headsets. Its called there reach adjust headset
www.workscomponents.co.uk/reach-adjust-ec49--ec49-headset-with-7mm-offset-363-p.asp
  • 2 1
 Not exactly. In fact this would make your reach shorter and your wheelbase longer or the other way around. And it would change your headangle. If thats what your looking for, ok.
But the Buzzworks or Works Components reachset accomplish a different thing. They lengthen reach AND wheelbase while not altering the headangle.

I don't think this says santa got their sizing wrong.
Those guys are really tall and ride the most challenging tracks in the world at much higher speeds than we do. Of course they have different needs than us mere mortals (Minnaar ran a stupidly high cockpit setup last season. I wouldn't say he is someone to compare yourself against in any way).
And we can not forget that this is just another way of customisation. Maybe they would run it to shorten reach/wheelbase if they were on a larger frame?
That would just mean they feel more comfotable in between sizes.
  • 3 0
 Santa Cruz is known for their short top tubes...The Bronson's geo was out of date 6months after it was released...The new nomad started moving in the right direction but it is still too short...Id have to ride a large at 5'10 As someone said the fact that they are carbon means they have to get a few years out of the molds so I'd imagine they will bump up the reach measurements on the next generation..I used to hate long bikes but once I spent some time on one it's amazing how much more comfortable it is at speed..
  • 1 0
 Loki87,
The works angleset achieves a head angle change by offsetting the bearings within the cups eccentrically. By rotating the top cup, the bearings are no longer offset relative to each other. This effectively pushes the steerer tube away form you and results in no head angle change.

If you were to rotate the bottom cup instead, it would in fact shorten the reach/wheelbase, The maximum reach increase can be achieved by rotating both cups 180 degrees, resulting in a steeper head angle, but the longer possible increase in reach. This would also shorten the wheelbase.

All of this is conditional on the requirement that both cups have offset built into them. I know works sells some headsets where only one cup is offset to achieve smaller head angle changes. Obviously if only one cup is offset (usually the bottom), the only way to increase the reach with that configuration is to rotate the offset cup, but this results in a steepening of the head angle.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, regarding Santa sizing, i agree with you. My current bike is 1260mm in wheelbase and i´m 5.9", so there´s that Wink
However, it´s just something they´ve done for ages now and they are certainly not unridable. It has more to do with current designs from other manufacturers having much more progressive geometry designs.
Like you said, the newer one will likely be different. But that´s like saying Giant had their sizing wrong on the old Glory when compared to the new one. In its time it was completely fine. Nowadays those numbers are dated, that´s just how geometry is progressing but doesn´t proof their geo was in any way "wrong" (even though i have to admit, i never liked the V10´s geometry and sizing).
It´s more like finally ALL manufacturers start building bikes with proper geometry and sizing.

On that works headset:
Now i see what you´re talking about.
But, when both cups are angled, those bearings have to sit at an angle in the headset cups. If you were to rotate one cup, those angles wouldn´t match up anymore, making it impossible to fit a steertube through. Or am i misunderstanding something?
  • 1 0
 This was my understanding of the works headset as well until I spoke to them and was told that the bearing bores are in fact not "machined" at an angle. They simply allow for small angle misalignment of the ball bearing withing the cup races. Seems like a recipe for failed bearings but I've been running their headsets for over a year and have no problems, so maybe they modify the clearance between the outer race and the cup to allow for this. Who knows.
  • 1 0
 Well, good to know. I always thought they were machined at an angle.
Under those circumstances you might be right, but i´d still rather buy the dedicated reachset. Surely there is a reason for its existence,even if only it offers a little more length.
Right now, there are quite a few options popping up.
Da Pilten in Switzerland, Works Components in the UK, Reverse Components will offer a reachset in the near future.
It´s great how far we´ve come with options for customisation!
  • 7 0
 Looks like a 29" wheel in a 27.5" DVO fork to me.
  • 5 0
 It was our new 29" fork but the tire was a huge volume 29" DH tire and the clearance was tight but enough for Fontana.
  • 1 0
 uuugh can't wait for mine
  • 2 0
 I think the Fontana races are very well organized. I'm glad they continue this series otherwise I wouldn't ever see my son race locally. It gives the so cal riders a place to get together and keep each other on their toes. So kudos to everyone that helps put on the Fontana races. Your hard work is appreciated!
  • 2 0
 I was about to chirp in with 'it's nice to see an article about a race in the US, with dh bikes, after reading about dh numbers falling stateside. Lets breathe some life into it!'.

But then I saw that quite a few of the bikes aren't really dh bikes. What gives? Is it a surprise that dh is dwindling if people can turn up and race on a bike they rode 'stages' on all week?
No wonder people can't be arsed to keep beating the dh horse.
  • 3 0
 It's that DH bikes are slower than trail bikes, mate.
  • 2 0
 It speaks to the terrain. Not very steep, lots of pedaling.
  • 1 0
 Because inter is right about the course, tempest is correct in this situation. We knew those two things though. So is the falling number of downhill riders due to stay, because it's now such a rare and/or manufactured venue that can truly test the modern wc dh bike? I don't disagree with either of you. Are modern dh bikes outgunning most of our planet nowadays though? I guess that's my question. I say our planet and not just parts of America because you're seeing it in a lot of countries.
  • 4 0
 Im surprised they didn't talk about the guy with the prototype fox rad shock.
  • 6 0
 I hear its the m16
  • 4 0
 That'd actually be such a rad name for it hahaha
  • 5 0
 I thought the pro/ex track was really good today. Good job Jacob.
  • 2 0
 +1 on that! It was pretty hectic once the rocks got covered in slick mud. Not very SoCal at all.
  • 1 0
 Thanks man! I was excited to see how everyone would liked it
  • 3 0
 Winter training series would be better at Windrock, located on the east coast, southern area, around east TN of the USA.
  • 7 0
 Then organize it.
  • 4 3
 bring all these guys to europe for the next season. there's only one way to raise the bar and that is to race with the top guns
  • 2 1
 On actual DH tracks
  • 3 0
 That 951 is as sweet as it gets...mmmm
  • 2 0
 I love that Jon Buckell rode his Intense Tracer in DH and finished in a top 10. Kudos!!!
  • 2 0
 It as a mess out there today
  • 4 1
 Ole Dirty Bastard ray!!
  • 1 0
 Gwin must of had a Beech Mountain Flashback. That why he didn't race on sunday. Nice work Logan..
  • 1 0
 Please please please more info on the new Intense M9 27.5!!! Come on Intense we all want to see the new steed!!!
  • 2 0
 Gwin even stands still like a champ.
  • 3 3
 That commencal is sick. Probably getting some help from the expired FSR patent, from the looks of it.
  • 1 0
 Most of Saturday it was just sitting next to a truck with both tires flat, caught my eye though, it is sick!
  • 2 1
 It is sick, but its not fsr it's a single pivot
  • 1 0
 bummer, no more manitou for KHS...?
  • 1 0
 Jacob my dood good job on the course this weekend. It was so fun.
  • 1 0
 that V10 is pimping !!
  • 1 0
 Agreed. Impatiently waiting for mine to show up Smile
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