Disabled Rider Calls for Empathy and Kindness After Being Challenged on Trails

Sep 14, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  

A disabled rider who was challenged for riding his electric wheelchair on trails in Indiana has called for kindness and empathy after a clip of the incident went viral.

Tom Morris was riding in Brown County State Park when he was stopped and challenged by two able-bodied riders who told him he was breaking the rules of the park. In fact, he was not breaking any rules as his adaptive equipment is allowed on any trail in Indiana. The clip has since picked up more than 200,000 views on Facebook and has been shared widely on other social media platforms and other news outlets too.


While a lot of the response to the video has been angry, Tom has asked people to use it as a moment to reflect and approach each other with more consideration.

bigquotesI posted that video for one very simple reason and that was to bring awareness. That night that the video was taken, I waited until the next morning not knowing if I was going to post it. When I woke up the next morning I opened up some social media and the very first person that was on my feed was a young boy, Eli, an 8-year-old boy with spinal bifida who is wheelchair bound. All I could think was what if this were to happen to him or someone like him? He doesn’t have a voice or a platform like I do.

The only reason I posted that video is because I want to advocate for people that maybe don’t have the ability to advocate for themselves. That video was never meant with intentions to do harm or ill will to those two people. I don’t know them, I know them from one interaction, and I have nothing but love and kindness for them. This is not a revenge thing, this isn’t anything like that.

People have reached out with a lot of support and I appreciate that but on the other hand what that man and woman’s comments to me were, they weren’t very nice but some of the stuff that’s written in those messages is challenging and that’s not who I am and that’s not the message. The message is kindness. As we move forwards I would just really appreciate if we could look at each other with a little more empathy and try and get out there and make this place a little bit better.
Tom Morris

Tom has apparently been contacted by Terry Coleman, the deputy director of the Department of Natural Resources in Indiana, and was told that the state has purchased a fleet of off-road wheelchairs for its citizens to use. He encourages anyone with a disability and without access to their own wheelchair to use them and explore the state parks and trails of Indiana.

Note on doxxing

While we unequivocally condemn the actions in the two individuals in the video we will not tolerate any attempts to identify them in the comments. We will be moderating the comments and any threats of harm, attempts to locate the couple or identifying details will result in a suspension.


Regions in Article
Brown County State Park


481 Comments

  • 343 0
 It's sad that our community has people like this. When I started mountain biking the first thing I noticed was how encouraging and welcoming everyone is. A new rider on a blue trail for the first time? People are so nice and willing to always give other tips. Need a tow in? I'm sure anyone on here would be more than happy. This is despicable and I don't want those two associated with the great mtb community that we have.
  • 522 7
 That guy is not part of the mountain bike community, he's a dick.
  • 64 4
 DUUUUUUUDDDDE!!! WOW!!!!!!! LOLOLOL!! Who is this chicken-legged guy??? His girl should've straight up thumped him right there!!!!
  • 68 6
 how about a tow up? I'm lookin at you, ebikers.... Wink
  • 112 2
 @alexbg: Anybody sitting on a bike is part of the mountain bike community as far as outsiders are concerned. That's why is so important to stay cool no matter how many d-bag hikers or whatever else you run into. Everybody's individual actions, including this dickhead's, always end up reflecting on all of us.
  • 50 4
 @LukeBurgie: Lest we forget Kingdom trails. As the sport grows it becomes inevitable that more unsavory characters will be in our midst.
  • 42 4
 The ebike hate can come out in strange ways.
  • 95 30
 People like this guy hasn't had his @ss beatdown. He should've been checked years ago.

Sorry. I know violence does not solve problems, but guys like that need some.
  • 28 5
 @chadtague1: I'll tow my e-bike less mates with my e-bike any day of the week! Get up faster and: MOAR SHREDS!
  • 7 6
 @heffernw: from what I understand, it was the Kingdom Trail Association themselves who did in that trail system, and not an unsavory rider. Pretty great detail on that over on the MTBR forms.
  • 26 3
 Hopefully this person learns from this mistake. It would be great if both of these guys start riding together. There is a way for this story to have a better ending - just takes some empathy, redemption, growth and maybe friendship.
  • 12 1
 @privateer-wheels: The even that kicked everything off though was a mountain biker yelling at a landowner who was riding their horse on the trails, which are all multi-use, even though they were built with mountain biking in mind. Interestingly enough, the trails are still open to all usages other than mountain biking.
  • 21 15
 Same types whom think ebikes are so detrimental to trails. Why, bc the trails will be used more? With that logic you'd then say ok only so many riders per hour/day.
Or ebikes arw too fast...
Ok, so fast xc riders or fast af dh riders cant ride either then?
  • 26 0
 @alexbg: The reality is he's on a bike and wearing lycra, so despite would you and I hope/wish, he *will* be identified as "mountain biker d-hole". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt; he likely realized he was in the wrong but too invested in his position to admit it and just apologize. My kid does this too, but then he's 8 and still learning; not sure what this guy's excuse is, other than people seem to equate saying "sorry" with weakness.
  • 44 2
 @ATXZJ: Right now this guy has no legitimate position; he's completely in the wrong but we can probably get him to come around and make some good out of these events, like the OP wants.

The minute we suggest a violent or punitive reaction - or worse, act on it we lose the moral imperative to demand change. The same way reformed criminals make powerful advocates because they've made huge mistakes, we can get this guy to make positive impacts because he's made his own mistakes.

If Tom (the OP) can ask for that after being the target of this terrible behaviour, we can honor his request as well.
  • 2 2
 @heffernw: what happened at the kingdom trails?
  • 11 11
 @diggerandrider: Just be aware that “chicken-legged / chicken-legs” is also a term used to denigrate those with spinal cord injuries, including those of us with SCI’s who ride.
  • 6 0
 @azawad: I like your message, but I submit that for a person like this to be even remotely worth being around, he's going to have to have a 180 in terms of even any shred of empathy... Unreal. I'm impressed how the Chairbiker handled him. I can't imagine the frustration and disgust.
  • 45 0
 @LukeBurgie: I think about this every single time I come across a runner, hiker, or other non-mountain bike user at the trails. I always try to stop, say hello, give a big friendly smile, and even engage in conversation if they seem amenable. One of the best ways to take care of your local trails is to ensure all users feel welcome.
  • 8 0
 @bonkmasterflex: It's true. I'm the same. That possessive localism is cancer. I surf too and i've experienced it plenty. Why would you want to go out and ride or surf and feel angry and defensive? So backwards.
  • 9 0
 @third-party: some Joey's mouthed off to the landowners on their own property ( probably not realizing who they were but still ). They removed public access afterwards.
  • 3 4
 @OldScratchJohnson: where did you read this? Seems that's the story that was bounced around Pinkbike, but if you check the local forums for Vermont there is a different explaination.
  • 12 0
 Guy standing in the middle of the trail stopping this handicapped rider...tell me what your real problems are. Did dad not huge you after the big game so now you take it out on everyone?
  • 57 0
 I just feel snubbed as now I want a Pinkbike breakdown of Tom's bike. Some of the handicapped bikes off road a super unique and clever how they adapt standard mtn bike parts and custom parts together. BIKE REVIEW, BIKE REVIEW, BIKE REVIEW...
  • 7 0
 Its always been like this. Back when I started riding, the people like the 2 asshats in the video were called hikers.
  • 4 0
 @third-party: Access to some of the core trails was revoked by the landowners. There are different accounts as to what really happened. I'm guessing there is at least some truth to both accounts. Apparently there had been repeated run-ins between horseback riders--who happen to be the landowners--and bikers. And apparently KTA took issue with the landowners over post-holing from walking on the groomed fatbike trails.
  • 3 0
 @chadtague1: The first tow is free, brother. Hit me up in Santa Cruz!
  • 13 2
 @plyawn: A guy that behaves like what we saw in the video, needed his confidence calibrated years ago. This one MTB incident is just the tip of the iceberg for him. Imagine that dude as your boss? Agree though if someone beats him down on the trail it doesn't help the MTB cause, plus he'll play the role of victim the second things don't go his way.

Seriously, f*ck people like that guy.
  • 9 0
 I would have run over his foot !
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: I would like to check out that forum thread. Do you know what it is titled? Kingdom trails is a special place! Whatever went down it is a bummer..
  • 3 0
 @vjunior21: @brianpark @mikelevy @sarahmoore , THIS! I mean come on, even CNN has a feature on Christian Bragg, just yesterday. lets see some cool tech for those pioneering and shredding the mountains in alternative ways.

www.cnn.com/2020/09/13/us/bike-disabilities-paralyzed-bowhead-corp-trnd/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29
  • 2 1
 @jrocksdh:
Man....i accidentally downed you instead of up....my bad

Consider this apology as an up vote
  • 5 34
flag mongoosep (Sep 14, 2020 at 16:09) (Below Threshold)
 @megatryn: dude nice lobbing for e-bikes Big Grin . I think this article is talking about other problems
e-bikers are like vegans - they like to be soo visible
  • 9 37
flag SLBIKES (Sep 14, 2020 at 16:12) (Below Threshold)
 @ATXZJ: Wrong, violence solves all problems. That is why countries go to war, should not be the first action though!
  • 27 1
 @SLBIKES: Sorry, but that seems like some very narrow minded commentary. I would say the large majority of wars (and moreover, most acts of violence) don't "solve" anything. A very poor lesson to learn in life.

How well is that war on terror going, by the way? War on drugs, perhaps? Hmmmm. No? Maybe Vietnam? Iraq? The list really does go on.
  • 5 0
 @vjunior21: check this guy out www.jeremymcghee.com/#weekly-ride. Really cool SoCal adaptive rider, and he does some in depth tech reviews on his FB page or YT channel
  • 2 51
flag SLBIKES (Sep 14, 2020 at 16:37) (Below Threshold)
 @rory: It solves a lot of things, but there are consequences, Thanks for the the personal attack Karen.
  • 1 0
 @adamszymkowicz: *multi-use, built with MTB in mind, and on private land.
  • 2 0
 People like this don't have community.
  • 2 0
 @bonkmasterflex: same same. Also the trail bell on mixed use decently trafficked trails helps so so much.
  • 2 4
 @ATXZJ: Violence may not solve problems, but is sure feels good when it's on the side of right.
  • 6 8
 This guy felt like he was in the right to try and stop an eMTBer from enjoy the trails that his wife and him were able to enjoy. Easy fix to this problem, make eMTB legal in Fed and State parks. That way this guy and other trail users never have to make any comments about eMTB be illegal ever again.
  • 4 0
 @SprSonik:

See that is my point. That guy in the link has a bike that has so much cool stuff going on that I want a comprehensive review of what everything is and how it works. I don't mean the next statement to be ignorant but I see that the rider does not have use of both legs yet they is a shifter and gears. I would love to see more about the bike and rider to understand they whole picture of the bike build and how its. All bikes are their own form of art mixed with personalized functionality. PB, I WANT THIS BIKE REVIEWED TOO...please
  • 10 0
 @SLBIKES: Unless you've previously been either POTUS or a five-star general who signed off on the wars rory mentioned*, it's fairly difficult to read that as a personal attack.
  • 6 0
 Working at a trail centre it's so important to get stoked on anyones achievements if that's just getting round a blue trail for the first time or sending a massive 40ft gap! Getting excited about eachothers achievements is what makes the sport as great as it is!
  • 5 0
 @bonkmasterflex: Completely agree. This is how we build social capital in the physical world(not the media world). Eye contact, smiles, hellos, have a great hike or wheel. Not just on the trail but in as many places as we interact. Such a great practice. Something we can develop and practice on the trail, at the grocery store, wherever. Sometimes people forget we are all in this together.....Can we get a story on his offroad chair PB? I want to know more about it.Very coolSmile
  • 7 12
flag SlodownU (Sep 15, 2020 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 I watched this video several times, and I'm sorry, but something isn't right here (aside from the two a-holes). This entire thing seems a bit contrived. Is this video actually legit? Those 2 don't look a bit surprised to see Tom come around the corner. Are there people that actually bust a disabled persons chops like this, almost on cue? Tom Morris is a motivational speaker, and this is free advertising. Videos like this don't help, but further divide people. Look at the stupidity in the comments section for proof. Wouldn't be surprised to see this come out as a hoax down the road (like that's never happened before, right?).
  • 3 0
 @jrocksdh:
????????????????????????
Or fast Enduro riders
To be honest we put big brakes on a bike for a reason and that's mainly to avoid the grandma and her dog.. jk but true that hikers here in the Bay area pose a huge obstacle when trying to get some laps.
  • 2 0
 Asshats lol
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: Interesting read. If it's true, then KTA are the unsavory characters and my point still stands.
  • 1 0
 @diggerandrider: so her name is Karen whats he called hmmmm..
  • 2 1
 @Marinsend: gta love when hikers com plain about bikes on mt bike trails...usually how it goes in Laguna.
Um hello, wouldnt be a trail here but for lik ol mt bike club. Still, most slow for all. But ya, u do get those idiot's middle.of.trail, not listening for bikes/no spatial awareness that its steep gnar section.
  • 1 0
 @alexbg: indeed
  • 3 3
 @ATXZJ Some times it does solve problems. A fist in the mouth in the past, will make people think twice about opening there mouth in the future. Bring on the downvotes.
  • 1 0
 @olddude: the guy is disabled so no punch ups here , he should have stopped and talked to this couple in an adult way then maybe they would have realised what a pair of pillocks they’ve been !
If not ride over his foot lol
  • 1 1
 @bonkmasterflex: i do that too, even if clearly says that only for mtbking..it makes the community come together, and in a way protect the trails that we love.
  • 3 0
 Many assumptions made from 45 seconds. Curious if something happened prior to this video clip. Never been on a trail where a modified wheelchair wasn't met with stoke and enthusiasm. Props to Tom for a classy reply.
  • 2 3
 @chadtague1: Do you consider that their duty? Are you incapable or just ignorant? E-bikers have the right to ride how they wish and given the welcome they've received they owe nothing to you or anyone. Share the trails or GTFO.
  • 5 0
 @Monster-G: okay bro, it was just a joke. The OP said he'd tow someone in, which is typically down a trail, but Ebikers clearly have an advantage going up the trail, hence the tow up joke. It's not funny if you have to explain it.....
  • 2 0
 @chadtague1: Apologies to you and any others I misunderstood. I'm sure it was simply a matter of interpretation and not a lack of empathy on your part. Sadly this has become a matter of contention with some riders displaying their opinion in a not so welcoming manner. If ever I was wrong this is the best I've felt about being so in quite some time. Have a nice day, Enjoy your ride!
  • 1 0
 @DaFreerider44: and she is a fanny !
  • 186 35
 Hey come over here and look! It's the video version of Pinkbike comments on an eBike article.
  • 56 10
 Had to think about your comment to realize how insightful it is.

Nevertheless this couple’s behaviour is more despicable than any anti e-bike comments on PB.
  • 138 27
 Ebikes and bikes for disabled people are completely separate things... Just because they both have a motor, doesn’t make them the same...

That’s like saying motorized wheelchairs are the same thing as electric cars, since both have four wheels and an electric motor...
  • 133 5
 @Saidrick: I agree. But as an ebiker with 60% lung function, you cannot see my disability unless you put me on an Amish bike climbing a hill as I will be on the side of the trail sitting trying to catch my breath. My point is that many people with disabilities do not have obvious signs therefore you need to be cool with ebikers as long as they are cool. I finally taped a large copy of my disabled placard on my top tube because I was catching shit from idiot purists. I would explain to them that I had a disability and permission from the park rangers but a certain segment of the biking community is like this couple. I must say that most mountain bikers are genuinely curious and cool and probably the best part of the population.
  • 21 4
 @Saidrick: I read his comment like how I see a few commentators on this site: Comment after reading headline, then read article.

The guy in the video automatically jumps into action seeing someone on an Ebike and condemns him. Once Tom informs him he's disabled I think the guy doubles down on his position out of embarrassment and just being an idiot. The female rider realizes it's wrong and tells the guy he should have just shut up.

Look back a year at some of the comments on Ebike articles on this website, they sound a lot like the angry guy in the video.
  • 32 224
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 10:26) (Below Threshold)
 Headline:
"Mountain biking couple are caught off guard by a disabled man riding a go cart on a mountain bike trail . They are not well versed on ADA compliance laws they never knew they had to know when this moment in life came their way. Disabled man keeps riding go cart without sharing the law so the upset and rude couple can comprehend the shocking sci-fi contraption that just rolled up on them. Man posts video & gets countless clicks on his for profit social media platforms. Likes, hits and over 2 Mil TikTok shares continue to climb
.
Preaching kindness, Disabled man does the opposite of being kind. Leaves original video full of shock and awe with couples faces up. Gets revenge over and over every time it's shared."

Is there any better feeling than rolling away knowing your right before someone can even try to calm down or apologize...and then posting your side online to confirm how right you are?

The infinite loop of indignation, cancel culture, me generation, shock, persecution, hate & self righteousness continues with every share and click.
  • 82 5
 @blowmyfuse: so it’s the disabled persons responsibility to defuse a situation when someone becomes confrontational with them? If someone is nasty to me or anyone I’m with, I’m definitely going to just ignore them rather than take my time to educate them while jacking them off so they feel better. If you’re an a*shole, you’re not entitled to my information despite how special you think you are
  • 49 2
 @blowmyfuse: if anyone’s is being hateful, it’s obviously you.
  • 43 3
 @blowmyfuse: You sound like great fun! You also need help.
  • 5 0
 @creativefletch: Yeah I saw this video float around Instagram this weekend. The satire (sadly reality) of my comment above was simply just that, some folks take things so passionately the they fail to look at the situation before jumping to attack. It correlates a lot with the general commentary we would see on eBike articles throughout the years here.

Something similar to this happened to a Bowhead user up here in New England. Except they posted pictures of his vehicle online asking who they were and accusing them of essentially what we saw above in this video.
  • 24 4
 @blowmyfuse: sad that this is the way you chose to interpret the situation. It says more about you than about the video or anyone in the video.
  • 31 86
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 @onlyDH: You misinterpret.

It's his responsibility to behave in a manner he expects others to if he wants to affect change. You can't behave poorly (even if it's not "as bad" as the people coming at you) and expect others to behave better or respond with kindness. Not a single social construct we have that turns from negative to positive interaction ever came of a guy just riding away like he did.

He startled them. They'd never seen it. If he wanted them to "show kindness" just like his subsequent videos preach, then he would have been the kindness he wanted to see in them.
All he had to do was state what it was and why it was allowed. We're humans. Not omnipotent. Most of us don't know what's allowed by the ADA guidelines.

Turn, explain why you are able to use. Start a dialogue. All of this reeks of the failings of social media & video 'reactionism'.

There are tons of the greatest quotes in the world he could have applied:
1. Be the change you want to see in the world
2. When you pray for patience, you should expect there to be opportunities to SHOW patience. He had the opportunity, but drove off and posted online.

Only after the hatred, threats of violence and multiple places online that posted all their vital contact info came about did he post anything to his "followers". Posting a video to your followers doesn't do anything to cool things down or resolve things.

I just tried to look up the ADA compliance info myself for trails. It's a 140+ page document for the US Forest Service.

The whole "nasty" and "angry" thing I have a problem with too. The old dude was at most whiny. People over exaggerate his temperment so they can overreact to him. It was a trivial encounter at best.

Maybe Tom's intent was to encourage understanding, but you'd think that would involve insight in the original post advising of ADA compliance info, his authorization to ride there and how he could have better handled the encounter himself. Sure, maybe he's right...but somewhere in the middle is the answer.

I'm not comfortable with the persecutory responses of all this.
  • 21 70
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 11:55) (Below Threshold)
 Heck, we even have Cancel Culture built into the PB Comments. You all and I can't have a rational discussion about this topic that others might be able to read because PB's neg rep mechanism has hidden my comment.

If someone could enlighten you or I or bring us together, because PB has built in a special "EARMUFFS" feature in the comments, we get relegated to the garbage bin of discussion. Beer
  • 7 0
 I feel like more than anything, this is a perfect example for everybody to take a step back from constantly judging everyone based on split second judgements and think through someone else’s point of view. What would he have accomplished if it was an able bodied person on an ebike? Is it really every trail users duty to police everyone else on the trails? Also doxxing the couple is just childish. It’s amazing that he has been the most mature in both situations.
  • 34 3
 @blowmyfuse: waki is that you?
  • 7 47
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 12:04) (Below Threshold)
 @Jabber127: which part confused you? Calling me that guy doesn't move the conversation in any direction that's usefull.
  • 13 4
 @blowmyfuse: you're getting down voted into oblivion, and while I don't agree with your presentation format you've got some good points in there... specifically everyone (and I mean everyone) is way more concerned with being right than with winning (i.e. having a civil and functional society that doesn't immediately attribute the worst possible motivation for any poor behaviour)
  • 15 45
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 12:10) (Below Threshold)
 @jambarbeast: It was a combo of an ebike and a go cart at the same time. If it's your first time seeing it and you're not a fan of technology impeding on singletrack, you're assuming it's a jerk taking advantage of the trails and breaking laws. We've almost all met an ebiker breaking rules on trail.
I've even ran into scooters and twice now those OneWheel faux electric skateboards poaching trail.

It's within reason to assume we all know what a whirring battery is now and it's reasonable to assume it's one more rule breaker now that they are so brazen.

If we could rewind time, have Tom let them know that it's legal and he has clearance to use it, they have the opportunity to respond. All this tech is crazy new and if you're going to be the one using it, it would help to understand how trail users are seeing nothing but violations of etiquette. Maybe Tom doesn't realize how many violations of rule these 2 riders have seen over the last few years and how the conflicts have escalated as the technolgy ramps up.
  • 9 28
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 @plyawn: I need to have you write my responses from now on. Beer
  • 17 1
 I commute by eBike (or at least used to commute when that was a thing) and I've had one chap get in my face about it. Now I am able bodied, so I don't necessarily have the moral high ground of an adaptive user, but so what? Who made that guy trail police (or in my case bike path police). Did I interfere with his ability to get around in any way? Was I riding like a dick? Was I bothering him in any way whatsoever? Nope, the guys just decided to get in my face because in his head I was performing some great injustice and it was his job to correct it.

The fact that he was legally wrong (class I ebikes are treated as pedal bikes on bike paths here) is besides the point. What ever happened to mind your own damned business?
  • 17 0
 @blowmyfuse: Not trying to move the conversation forward, just making a joke at the expense of those who have a strong need to port their political grievances over to a silly bike website. That and the tendency to move between free-associative arguments and weird fictional accounts of the players involved reminds me of Waki.
  • 11 15
flag drunknride (Sep 14, 2020 at 12:42) (Below Threshold)
 @roma258: Probably the only comment that really matters "mind your own damn business". Right or wrong, when you confront a stranger over something like this you open yourself up for all kind of issues. On the other hand, posting a video of these people is a pussy move too. It should have been something he discussed with his friends over beers and it woulda ended right there.
  • 10 0
 @drunknride: I don't have a problem with it in this specific instance because:

- Most people may not actually know about adaptive wheelchairs on trails and having this posted on a website as widely read as Pinkbike is a good thing.
- People will think twice about being a*sholes if they know there may be consequences. The a*shole level in this video is high enough where a little public shaming is probably healthy. Just don't doxx the guy or go to his employer, this is sufficient.
  • 13 15
 @blowmyfuse: no it's that the comments section doesn't want to read your obviously right wing diatribe.
  • 3 4
 @roma258: At this point in my life I usually let karma handle the a*sholes. Isn't maybe getting punched in the face a good enough consequence? Leave the internet shit out of it.
  • 11 3
 @blowmyfuse: @blowmyfuse: I was wondering how it would take before someone crawled out from under a rock to take the side of the d-bag's. Nicely done. You must be a barrel of laughs to hang out with.
  • 9 34
flag MattyBoyR6 (Sep 14, 2020 at 13:25) (Below Threshold)
 blowmyfuse pretty much nailed it. If the e-chairist wanted to be a voice for the 8 yr old with spinabifida or anyone else without a platform and voice, why did he not put that in the first video? The initial video would have been the best place to include a part that assisted vehicles or whatever are allowed by the forest service with a screen shot from the FS regs not just Tom yelling that they are. No mention of empathy or doing good in the video just, hey look at this dick I caught on video.
  • 9 2
 @MattyBoyR6: I wouldn't overthink it. Maybe just don't be such a dick over such a trivial thing as a e-wheelchair on the trail.
It's mountain biking. There are enough c*nts out there already. We're all set with that.
  • 5 0
 @drunknride: he couldn't punch the guy in the face on account of being disabled and in a wheelchair.
  • 9 0
 @ol-sidewinder: Hell I wouldn't care until I saw him clean some sections that I can't. I'd ride with the e-chair guy I'll ride with e-bikers, dudes on $300 bikes or $10,000 bikes. I'm there for a good time and as long as people are cool on the trails its all good to me.

When I saw this video a few days ago I didn't put together that it was posted to be the voice of disabled riders. And I still really doubt that was why he posted it but after it blew up he decided he had better say something.
  • 5 0
 @roma258: I'll be honest, I didn't know electric wheelchairs were allowed on trails. It makes complete sense though. I guess I thought that bike means "human powered" and therefore I'd expect someone to ride a hand bike on trail meant for bikes, but obvious this is flawed, because it assumes that every disable person can turn a hand crank.
  • 12 1
 @blowmyfuse: How dumb exactly are you? You think anyone would voluntarily ride a 3-wheel motorized bike w their feet strapped into stirrups unless they physically had to?!!! The ass-hat in this vid had to know immediately that it was a disability-necessary vehicle. Maybe you guys can move in together and be awesome together...
  • 7 0
 @blowmyfuse: No, the dude in the star shirt is just a DICK !
  • 2 27
flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 20:27) (Below Threshold)
 @PHeller: Are you aware that Tom the disabled man in question makes a living through his fitness business and one of the key components of it is his capacity as a disabled triathlete?

It's neither here nor there, but to me it's more surprising that someone who makes their living in that manner and is super fit when it comes to pedaling a handicap bike with his arms didn't go e-bike first. But probably had more to do with one not existing that he had access to.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 20:30) (Below Threshold)
 @DirtbagMatt: So you expect a guy to turn around, see handlebars, motor and guy in a seated position and expect him to diagnose that his legs are non-functional?

May I ask you what a guy in a go-carts legs are doing when he rolls up?

Again, not excusing anyone's behavior, but you have hindsight in this instance and the guy in the video reacting didn't. He sees a guy in a go-cart.
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 @blowmyfuse: are go-carts common around where you ride? I’ve never seen an adult go-carting around the woods. If I see someone on a 4-wheeled contraption in the woods I’m automatically assuming handicapped.
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 @mexicant: My local trails, roughly 50% of those below the age of 40 must have some invisible disability.
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flag SassyTheSasquatch (Sep 14, 2020 at 23:01) (Below Threshold)
 @blowmyfuse:
EXACTLY RIGHT!!!
DISABLED MAN DOES COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF KINDNESS...
my questions is? Should he have been on that trail in the first place?!? Huh? Was it Legitimate for disabled personnel use?? Or did he just feel "entitled" to go on it and get in the way of able bodied people and cause my potential harm to himself and then #speakout about his 'experience' on social media like a typical feminist who hates herself and her life...
ALL YOU LIBERALS WHO SAY THIS COMMENT IS "OFFENSIVE" AND HAVE TO SPEAK OUT TO CALM YOUR SNOWFLAKE FEELINGS CAN ALL GO EAT A BAG OF DICKS!
Think Logically, there is always BOTH sides to a story, especially if its all over the internet.
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flag SassyTheSasquatch (Sep 14, 2020 at 23:06) (Below Threshold)
 @blowmyfuse:
Cancel Culture is a Liberal thing, when a liberal snowflake doesn't agree with you, all they want to do is cancel you...
Cancel Culture is nothing new and its happened since the middle ages.
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 @blowmyfuse: Even if that were a fair explanation (which I don't think it is because as others have pointed out easily the most likely explanation for his 'go cart' is as a mobility vehicle), he specifically said twice to the guy that it's a 'handicap piece of equipment'. Given that the guy's response was an aggressive 'And?' followed by an assertion that he still shouldn't be there I'm not sure he was open to a calm explanation of why Tom was allowed to ride it there.

As to your point about people not knowing complex park access laws, that's fair enough but why would they then feel empowered to enforce them without understanding them? I don't understand the jaywalking laws in the US but if I wandered around calling people out for walking across streets would you defined my actions as noble nonetheless?
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 @mexicant: 100% with you on that ! My mum has some severe health problems and is about to get her 3 joint replacement, yet from outside she looks normal and you may not get why she is allowed to skip queues, ride a tricycle or an ebike. Don't judge a book by its cover it doesn't even tell half of the story and if people need to skip, use a motor or else, many times it is because they don't have the choice. Let's feel lucky that many of use can ride many times a week, enjoy our passion and be fit so we don't need a motor.
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 @blowmyfuse: Do you know them? Butch, you seem oddly vested in this whole deal. Maybe let it go? If your theory was correct then they (not going to name anyone per Pinkbike) would have posted an apology just like the rider did. Known you a long time and while you can be stubborn and not realize how you sound sometimes you are better than this.
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 @blowmyfuse: Your *intelligent*, *thoughtful*, and *valuable* comment shows that your fuse has blown ages ago and been replaced with a rancid piece of crap!
Blaming the victim is about the cheapest form of a*sholery. Sorry bud, it had to be said...
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 @Jabber127: what ever happened to Waki? Took me a while, but realized I never see him commenting anymore and it's not like you could avoid that before.
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 @tpfenning: I actually miss Waki. unfortunately he committed Pinkbike sudoku (he cheekily asked to be banned, and the mods obliged).
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 @cuban-b: Aw damn. So that's what happened to Waki. I miss clicking his often grayed out comment bar. I'm sure he's going to resurface again some day. He has to. He's infamous.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 12:00) (Below Threshold)
 @Sugarbrad: The reason I maintain that there are two sides to this topic are for the reason you point out. I'm stubborn. I've also (and sounds like you have too) seen the absolutely horrible things done to enact vengeance on this guy.

Everyone is using their magic power of hindsight to act like they would IMMEDIATELY identify a handicap 3 wheeler. That is utter fairy tale. They're being pious and self righteous.

And I still assert that 2 wrongs don't make a right. Tom posting in subsequent posts about how kind he is are horseshit so long as he leaves his original video up to share and repost and spread hate.

I'm all for forgiveness. Not sure why you are able to forgive me for things that I say to upset you. Eventually I explain to you why I've said or done something to give you perspective. You and I work around it and move on.

But Tom is spreading that video all day every day in the same manner that started the hostility toward the guy and the old dude obviously is NOT on EQUAL SOCIAL MEDIA FOOTING as Tom. He can't possibly ever gain enough VISUAL AND SOCIAL FORGIVENESS online or in person to get back any form of dignity.

He's always going to get crap this one blip on the radar. If he apologized right now, you know Tom wouldn't jump back in his original post and edit it to have the guys apology on the end.

It reeks of vengeance and passive aggressive hostilities
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 @blowmyfuse:

Sucks For them. Maybe don’t be a Ken and Karen next time and they won’t go viral.

Crucify them for all I care. Welcome to 2020.
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 @blowmyfuse: I disagree.

If the dude apologized, Tom absolutely would jump back in his original post and edit it to have the guys apology on the end.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 12:48) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: Really. Cause if it was an apology he wanted, he may have gotten it on the spot if he'd explained the law that allowed him clearance in the eyes of a person who didn't know the law. He had the chance & the choice to pursue forgiveness on the trail that day.

Tom didn't choose forgiveness in the moment, and was justifiably upset & had time to cool off. His choice of action was to post a damning video that vindicated himself, got revenge on his adversary and if he wanted an apology, he's not stated he'd take one since.

I'm sure he thinks in his own head he is has some noble concept that the video circulating is somehow enlightening people, but at what cost to the offender? Far...far greater price than any of us could imagine I would guess. It's bordering on cruelty at this point.

But the damage is done and others have copied it and it will live on. It's already been spliced countless times into YouTube rant videos, TikTok (my kids showed it to me when it hit 3 MILLION views)
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 @blowmyfuse: you've got a real Jim Jones vibe going on. i dig it.
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 @cuban-b: jeese, somebody must’ve really done a number on @blowmyfuse as a child. Really digging in the ol’ heels on this one.
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 @ol-sidewinder: Someone has to defend the douchebags. Otherwise this would be way too easy. "There is no creative impulse in the absence of discontent" a wise man once said
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 13:59) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: I come here for the inspirational quotes.
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 @blowmyfuse: Come on man... You are still off the mark. It is so blatantly obvious that Tom is disabled... These two pieces of shit in the video deserve every bit of public shaming even though that wasn't Tom's intentuon. They had zero authority to confront Tom to begin with.

We get it, you don't like eBikes. Let it go man, you are alienating a lot of people that know you. If one of your daughters was a paraplegic how would you take these two accosting them on the trails? This isn't a good look man, I'm pretty disappointed to be honest.
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 @cuban-b: God save the douchebags.
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 @Sugarbrad: at this point it’s not about e-bikes or handicapped people for him. In his eyes he’s defending himself against what he perceives as the Leftist PC Marxist Mob who are trying cancel him. We should all stop engaging him. As mountain bikers we are all one nasty crash away from having to use a “go-cart”, it’s a shame he doesn’t recognize that and back down.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 18:07) (Below Threshold)
 @diegosk: pretty aware of it. If or when I am disabled, I'll fight to get assistance for the things I need and if someone tries to be a d-bag to me trailside, I'll explain why I'm right and he's wrong and see what the d-bag says at that point.

See what I did there?
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 @blowmyfuse: If I were disabled I wouldn't fancy having to stop and explain why I had special dispensation to every entitled rent-a-Batman who felt like challenging me. I think I'd really rather get on with my nice ride in the woods in peace.
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 @mexicant: That is sad...I have a buddy with a bad knee,he ride his e-bike everywhere like me in my non ebike,even in our nearest bike park with lift access you are allowed to ride whatever bike you wish,you only need a full face helmet to ride there (La Pinilla bikepark,Segovia,Spain).
In Ainsa Zona 0 (Huesca,Spain), an EWS place,they have no rules against ebikes , it is just stupid,non ebikes are minority there.
That thing of "ebikes are worst for the trails" is a nonsense,even more when your locals trails are non natural one´s or IMBA style.
For the last 6 years I worked from time to time with a small company as mtb trail guide in Madrid,working with mixed groups of regular enduro bikes and ebikes,0 problems it is just the same. To me are just the same,a bike with to wheels and here (Spain) almost everybody thinks like me,we are ridding bikes.
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 Two great messages here:

1) Don't be a dick
2) Ruining someone's life over a single violation of #1 is a violation of #1 in itself.

Carry on you beautiful people.
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 While I would never dox someone or participate in it, some people are such massive dicks they need this kind of recognition to change their ways. I don't feel sorry for people like this at all. Fuck this guy, he brought this on himself.
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 @scott-townes: yeah - but after taking a breath - this guy - the offender needs have a chance to apologize.

We live in such a divided state these days we need to respect others who actually do back down from the wrong idea.

We've confused consistency with honor - its a classic behavioral psych problem and in sales its used this all the time to get agreements.

One of the coolest social trends in MTB at this moment is to hate ebikes and anybody on one.

All the offender did was toe the line blindly after making a knee jerk reaction. Then he stayed consistent - because thats what self respecting people do. Its also a way to make quick decisions - stay consistent.

That said, i don't have the answers, i just see the same patterns repeating in every social movement and hope we can figure out how to have rational dialogue with the goal of understanding and compromise.

Ill keep dreaming...
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 @Grosey: staying consistent after being a dick isnt self respecting, it's called being a douchebag.
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 @cuban-b: agree. Towing the line for his original reaction has nothing to do with self respect. More so, being a narcissist maybe. The guy, and his wife, have zero empathy, and no respect for others.

If they have self respect, they will come forward with an apology.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 12:00) (Below Threshold)
 @Grosey : What you said is reasonable - "yeah - but after taking a breath - this guy - the offender needs have a chance to apologize."

But note that the others responding to you want to pursue the Cancel Culture line of thought. It's the internet age. If you don't like them, NEVER FORGIVE. ...cancel them, their life, their reputation, their home...persecute the crap out of them.

Scott Townes you're being 2 faced. You are saying you'd never dox someone or participate in it...but you're OK with watching the dox ???
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 @scott-townes: the penalty should fit the crime. Having this guy apologize and public admit he was emotional and wrong would be good; ruining his life seems a little over the top, and make no mistake doxxing someone has that potential.
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flag roma258 (Sep 14, 2020 at 12:26) (Below Threshold)
 Don't be a dick and #2 doesn't happen. Also too, please explain how the gent's life is ruined here, specifically?

And to add- changing your views to reflect newly acquired information should be encouraged as a sign of growth and maturity, not ridiculed.
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 @roma258: This Pinkbike post is actually old news. The original post happned last week & since then the internet vengeance trackers went into full effect. They hunted down this guy and his wife, every bit of info on them and made all their personal info public. It's been reposted last I heard over 2 Million times on TikTok, so there's been a pretty big backlash.

I saw screenshots of their personal stuff and seen some truly violent and awful things that have been attempted and/or suggested that have had to be taken down. Note that PB had that blurb about "doxxing" because it's been really bad.
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 @blowmyfuse: revenge complete.. Whether intended or not
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 @nordland071285: punishment should fit the crime and yet the internet doesn't want equality, they want destruction.
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 @cuban-b: thats exactly my point - and yet knowing this most of us can still find an example if us being wrong and not owning up to it to save face.

We're all douchebags sometimes.

What if we laughed about it instead of went to war? What if we had some social norms that supported owning up to emotional actions that you'd rather not own up to?

All Im saying is that we need some cushion for douchebags (all of us really) to to back off without shame.

Even in this video - the bad guy says "you should of lead with that" thats where a simple concession of "shit man, Im really sorry. I didn't realize why you where on that" coulda been a total game changer in this situation.
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 @privateer-wheels: not self respect, your right.

I think Im trying to say self image, as in who you believe yourself to be. Like this guy believes hes in the right. Being wrong would be against himself so he cant allow that.
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 @Grosey: totally. Perhaps he is trying to save face by not admitting he is wrong.
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 @Grosey: My boy, you have far too much insight for the internet.

Thanks for taking the time to share it.
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flag cougar797 (Sep 14, 2020 at 16:53) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: I am normally all for ignoring douche holes as they don’t ever change but this guy needs ran out of our little mtb clique. I don’t care who you are or what your beliefs are but mtb is partially so darn cool because everybody around it is cool to everyone else regardless. This guy needs ran his ass out of mtb town.
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flag cracher (Sep 14, 2020 at 17:12) (Below Threshold)
 As if reddit hasn't doxxed/cancelled this guy hours ago already. If anyone can find that link, please lmk.
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 @cougar797: you mean the sport where everyone cuts bandit trails all over? The sport where guys huck off buildings and destroy construction work and get cheered? The sport where e-bikes regularly poach trail?
The sport where guys spend $10k on a bicycle, then another $10k on making it look retro, post picks of it hovering in space and then never ride it?
The sport where hundreds get online and bitch and moan at each other day and night in places like the PB comments section?
The sport where grown men curse each other out like they were going to slit each other's throats in a text but would never even say a word face to face?
The sport where pros film themselves poaching secret trails that locals want to keep on the down low so they can get clicks?
The sport that bathes itself in carbon fibre everything at the cost of the environment?

I mean...seriously. You are going all in on that Cancel Culture rant pretending one guy needs out for one thing. Nobody in this sport is anything special.

No one in this sport is sacred. We all are wrong at some point. Some guy got put on camera and you're putting you want to put the guy in cement shoes and cast him out of the cool kids mtb club? Man, you sure do think highly of normal people with common faults just because of 2 knobby tires being our 1 commonality.
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 @blowmyfuse: You forgot the one where the athletes promote horrible addictive sugary drinks made by murderers who can get away with it because they have money
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 @Grosey: it's a very fair point and agree, it's a big social problem and getting worse. Dont have to look past current politics, owning up is not an option, admitting guilt is not an option, hold the line and if you have enough clout you'll have folks in your bubble telling you that you were right reinforcing the BS.

Some cultures do this better, as Americans we suck at it.
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 @blowmyfuse: You don’t actually ride much do you? That or your area sure seems different from mine.
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 @cougar797: You're acting like one guy needs to get banned from MTB like it's a sacred club full of righteous do gooders. Mountain bike is loaded with crap holes all day every day.

So you're saying none of the stuff I listed are bad actions by MTBers or you're saying none of stuff happens where you ride? Either way, humans behave the same almost everywhere so I doubt your riding zone is the exception and filled with only saintly folk.

As for me riding much, I get to ride all the time. I have it good where I live for that. I also have it bad because it's overrun with more MTBers who don't give a crap than do.
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 @blowmyfuse: Well I mean with a profile name and attitude like that I can see why you get that vibe from others. (Internet sarcasm here ... or is it)
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 @cougar797:

It's almost saddening that no one in these forums is a true child of 80s metal.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blow_My_Fuse
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 @blowmyfuse: Haha that’s a pretty small target audience reference now. I like though.
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 @blowmyfuse: Tom didn't condone that. There are repercussions to being a*sholes though. What did they expect?
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 @Sugarbrad: I had a really good friend and manager who used to say "Don't do anything you wouldn't want on the front page of the newspaper". I'd say that's a solid rule to live by.
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 I don't know Tom, but I have an immense amount of respect for him. Thank you Pinkbike for posting this, we need more positive messages in cycling. His interaction with the two cyclists in the original video speaks volumes to his character. I also appreciate his message here promoting kindness, not retaliation or shame for the two people in the video. The world could always use more kindness, especially in these tough times. Thank you for your example Tom.
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 100%
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 "You should've lead with that" Lmao if you're too stupid to realize that a person in a motorized wheelchair is f*ckin handicapped then you're definitely the same dumb f*ck who'd stop in the middle of a trail. Please sell your bikes.
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 And he did lead with that! Not that he owed anyone an explanation. But he absolutely lead with that, and the guy went off and said to his wife even "he did lead with that" as though it didn't even matter.

Ugly hateful people.
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flag nordland071285 (Sep 14, 2020 at 11:37) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: well he did lead with it..but I wouldn't know what he meant by adaptive vehicle?
So it was only when he said he couldn't walk that that it dawned on them that they were being dicks. And he should have apologised but i get the feeling he was embaressed.
Not an excuse for not apologising, but I don't think he's as much of a monster as people are making out
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 @nordland071285: the first words out of his mouth was "this is a HANDICAP piece of equipment." Handicap being the operative word.

Handicap equipment explains to me he is in it, because he has a handicap. I.e. he does not have the use of his legs. That was immediately clear to me after his first reply.
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flag nordland071285 (Sep 14, 2020 at 13:30) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: you're right, but I don't think the guy understood until he said he couldn't walk..
Not excusing him, but he wasn't as monstrous as people are making out imo
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flag nordland071285 (Sep 14, 2020 at 15:02) (Below Threshold)
 Downvoted again! So you guys really think he saw a guy on the trail, knew that he was disabled and went out to give him trouble? I don't buy it, sorry
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 @nordland071285: yeah that looks like exactly what happened. Even after being told the vehicle was “adaptive/disabled” and that “he can’t walk”, the guy doubles down and says “you know the rules buddy” implying he didn’t give a shit the guy was handicapped and that an e-bike is an e-bike no matter what.
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 @nordland071285: @nordland071285: If you can't pick up on the fact that someone is handicapped and cannot walk when they are using an offroad electric wheelchair, would you not still heir on the side of caution and not be a dick from the get go? I mean how hard is it to use even the slightest bit of common sense in that situation.
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 @nordland071285: I agree with you. In hindsight, I’m sure the couple are very embarrassed. I wish the original video was released with the message of kindness as a prologue. Instead, what has been done in retaliation to the couple is despicable and imo, worse than their original sin, which may well have been a misunderstanding.
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 If I ever saw a disabled person riding a trail I'd be cheering and screaming happy. I'd then ask them if it'd be OK to do a lap together.
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 Good luck with that. Unless they have a tow rope they would lap you!Smile Nice attitude though! that's how we should all be. Encourage everyone to ride.
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 I got to do a lap with Doug Henry a while ago. He was my favorite motocross racer when I was growing up and it was a life changing moment for me as a fan when he was hurt. To ride with him hauling ass on a jump trail was something I’ll never forget, as well as his overwhelmingly positive attitude.
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 @DHhack: Doug Henry is a pinnacle of inspiration. So bad@ss and one of the most positive people ever.
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 Insane. +1 for his call for empathy and kindness.
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 He would be wearing Lycra lol
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 What is it you Americans say.. " Douche bag" ?
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 Hating assholes is a universal language.
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 Yes, that is the correct use of "douche bag".
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 That guy is a class act. According to the trail organization, motorized bikes are allowed as part of an ADA accommodation for disabled people. Rather than become a nasty cunt when you think that someone is in the wrong, you could simply ask a question like a normal person and treat others with respect
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 What is the male version of a "Karen"?
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 Kyle
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 Typically a Ken. Ken and Karen seems to roll off the tongue.
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 Darren
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 Also Karen.
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 @teragyro: Kyles would be too busy smashing cans of monster and punching holes in the dry wall
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 this should be the top comment
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 We don't assign gender roles to names. That is so 5 years ago.
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 My hope with stuff like this is that instead of piling on, we are all able to look inward and think of ways we've each maybe BEEN those jerkwads in the video - and then do better. Something about glass houses... or, "he who is without sin...".
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 10:41) (Below Threshold)
 That's been my take. We've all said crap and not known the circumstance. If he'd let them know that he had prior authorization and it was an ADA compliant vehicle (which he never addressed in the video or his words attached to the post) it would go a long way toward de-escalating the issue.

Sure, they were surprised and initially pissed, but he just go-carted off into the distance without helping them understand what they just saw. If you're going to preach kindness, you have to be willing to show it yourself.

Takes 5 seconds to say "Shocking vehicle I know. But I cleared it with the rangers as ADA compliant." Nobody riding that gocart could possibly think everybody will see them coming and go "Oh...obviously that go cart is being driven by a disabled individual executing his rights to operate what appears to be a fully ADA compliant device."
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 ^ i think we figured out who that dude in the video is lol
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 @blowmyfuse: Or you know, you can mind your own damn business. Trail users and yes, even volunteer trail builders don't have the authority to enforce rules and laws on PUBLIC land. If you see something worthy of suspicion, let the authorities know. But you can't go around being a f*cking hall monitor on public trails.
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 @blowmyfuse: why does he owe anyone an explanation. He was probably dumbfounded and taken back by the attack. He lead with "it's a handicap piece of equipment". That should flat out have been enough.

Could just as easily be said that the aggressors should know the rules on these pieces of machinery if they are going to try to trailside police. THEY were wrong, start to finish.

The rider who took the video owes these people nothing. Doesn't allow them time to cool, doesn't need to de-escalate a situation he didn't create, and definitely doesn't owe them the favor of not posting this video.
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 @blowmyfuse: he said he was disabled. I could understand if he was on a normal ebike and had some disability where he couldn’t pedal or what ever but it was very clear he was/is handicapped.
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 @thejake: indeed. Add to that "handicap" was one of the first 3 or 4 words that came out of his mouth.
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 @cuban-b: lmfao. You nailed it
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 @Almazing: So if you saw someone who had been riding a motocross bike on mtb single track you wouldn't say something to them? Interesting.

@privateer-wheels: While he may not owe anyone anything, since we are talking about empathy Tom is going to need to appreciate that people who have never seen a vehicle like this may not realize that it's not just some guy on a motorized toy.

That in no way justifies the way this person approached him, just pointing out that it's a situation that you can anticipate happening so it would be wise to have a plan for dealing with it. Guy in the video is still a total jerk though.
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 @friendlyfoe:

Why would I? They’d blow by me because they know they’re not supposed to be there. Or if they’re stopped, they’d just take the f*ck off. Not only that, I don’t f*cking know those people. If they’re brazen enough to ride a real dirt bike in to MTB trails, I’ll assume the worst about them. You know the best way to get hurt or shot or stabbed? It’s to go around telling strangers what they should or shouldn’t be doing in public.

I’ll call the park rangers and law enforcement. Because it’s not my f*cking job, nor do I have any authority to tell them to do anything. If you wanna play cop, then you should be a damn cop.
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 @Almazing: you guys have such a weird culture down there. If I saw someone doing that I wouldn't hesitate to ask them if they knew they were using non motorized trails, and if they said yes simply mentioning that it's not appreciated. Getting shot or stabbed wouldn't really cross my mind.

Big difference between that and actually confronting someone which is maybe what you're talking about?
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 @friendlyfoe: Yea America is a weird place. Just a week ago, there was a shooting at the trailhead on of the more popular trails in my city. I would inform someone if they came up to me and asked. But I’d never be snarky about it, nor confront them. Obviously this only goes as far as trail usage. If it’s the personal safety of another, like say, attempted bad stuff(like really bad), I can’t not do anything about it.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 14, 2020 at 20:15) (Below Threshold)
 @friendlyfoe: You make a lot of sense.
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 @friendlyfoe: I appreciate your concise and accurate summary, sir. in fact I was searching for something like that. I knew that there are still sensible people out there.
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 @Almazing: Funny, that’s what the director of EMBA told me when I asked what was supposed to be done about all the illegal e-MTB riding happening on local trails. She said that the community needs to enforce because no one has the budget. I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist. And now, unfortunately, lack of enforcement and trail user complicity have led to mass rule-breaking where I see an e-MTB riding illegally on every ride now.
So what then? Every ride costs $5 to pay for rule enforcement? Seems like a plausible future, all because people can’t manage to follow the rules and respect the work of others.
I don’t want to be a hall monitor. I just wish everyone could be respectful enough to actually follow the rules so we can all enjoy what we’ve built without risking access or grant funding. Unfortunately not the case, currently.
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 @erikkellison: Under who’s authority is anyone going to enforce anything? Does IMBA have the power to deputize trail users? No. And charging people to pay to ride an e-bike on public land as punishment? Yea, I’m no lawyer but there’s probably legal issues with that. So I guess you’re left with ridiculing and being a*sholes to those who ride e-bikes as punishment right? That’s what she meant by enforcing? Cuz I can guarandamntee you that if anyone tries stops me from riding an e-bike(I don’t ride one) on public trails, I’ll tell them to f*ck right off and call the cops and rangers on me. IMBA can’t enforce a damn thing. At all. That’s not how this works. The better thing to do is to accept that e-bikes don’t damage to trails and they’re not excessively fast as people believe they are. The MTB community claims to be all-inclusive but the mere mention of e-bikes and everyone loses their f*cking mind. Accept change.
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 @Almazing: dude, you need to dial yourself back a bit.
I said EMBA, not IMBA. EMBA is our local trail association who is responsible for trail building and maintenance. They are the point organization for interfacing with other user groups and the government. They are the ones advocating for community enforcement. No one said ridicule. The best thing to do would be to kindly inform of the rule breaking, and offer suggestions for other trails that do allow e-bikes. The fact stands that it is currently against rules to ride e-MTB on many popular local trails. This isn’t a value judgment. It just is currently not allowed.
If you feel so strongly about allowing e-MTB on trails where they’re not currently allowed, the “better” thing to do would be to lobby for changing of rules and regulations regarding trail use.
To be clear, I was suggesting that legal trail users could, in the future, pay a fee to ride, part of which would go to enforcing that illegal users stay away. I’m not a legal expert, but I imagine that someone has legal latitude to enforce appropriate trail use. But as above, far better to inform than punish. Your suggestion that we just let people break the rules because no one can enforce the current rules is absolute rubbish. Think about what you’re saying. Really think. You don’t even need to respond. The ramifications are far-reaching and scary.
Why are you so irritated? I think some self-reflection and pause might help you better participate in the conversation.
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 @erikkellison: You're right. I apologize. My biggest issue with local trail organizations(and individual riders) is that they take it upon themselves to prevent e-bike access even though the federal or state government allow them on federal or state land. If the local, state, and/or federal law prohibits e-bikes on certain trails, then I don't wanna get caught breaking the law. Fines are steep. But if the law allows, but some elitist prick group of mountain bikers take it upon themselves to put 'No Pedal Assist Bike' signs on the trailhead without federal or state backing, they can go stuff it.

These local organizations like to think e-bikes are a gray area and like to lump them with actual dirt bikes, but there's a 3 class e-bike system that 25 states have already adopted. Class 1s are what we're most familiar with. I don't even ride e-bikes. But I'm informing myself with knowledge and regulations for them. I might get an e-bike one day when they stop looking fat and ugly. Because like it or not, eventually they're going to be a normal sight on trails all over the country.
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 @Almazing: You sound like every other "e-biker" with F*** off mentality. Shout anybody down who cares about the woods themselves, the ecology, the biodiversity, water quality, quiet and natural state of forests, the ability to get out and enjoy the solitude of nature.

Technology is evolving exponentially and just because a non-motorized bike currently has permission to be on a strip of dirt in the woods doesn't entitle everyone to strap on a battery and hit it too. Our forests, rivers, wildlife and open spaces need to be protected far more than your right to shralp a battery bike in the future.

I am perfectly fine with municipalities and each individual trail system accessing natural places making their own individual decisions about what access they grant
.
I am fine with humans holding each other accountable on the trail because government is for providing basic protections (like establishing wild & scenic places we can't ruin). We hold one another accountable daily and using a cop out to refuse to be a decent and respectful law abiding citizen just because someone with a badge isn't in your face babysitting you is a horrible way to conduct yourself.

When you're at a family gathering and Aunt Bessie's little turd kid is trying to climb the curtains or punch the dog when she's not around, the rest of the family can keep that punk in line.

Society turning a blind eye on each other on important matters weakens us. Sure, too many Karens running around these days, but if people would show the respect their parents taught them to show, they wouldn't be out poaching trails on e-bikes making up lame excuses about who has a right to keep them in check...when it's just YOU that can't keep yourself in check.
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 @blowmyfuse: wow, you're this triggered by a guy in a wheelchair on a trail? you need help.
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 @blowmyfuse:

Oh I care about the woods. I care more about equity and the ability for everyone to enjoy them whether disabled, able-bodies, and anywhere in between. Public land is public land and is for everyone to enjoy. When the law decides certain equipment can be used on that land, that's how it is. Stop being f*cking selfish with your, 'I want the public, taxpayer woods to myself and f*ck everyone else' mentality. This elitist mindset is why e-bike advocates have had enough of you and people like you's bullshit and are being more vocal.

Don't preach to me about conservation and preserving the environment when you're just as guilty as I and everyone else for buying bike components and frames. You think that stuff doesn't have wasteful and toxic byproducts harming the environment? Think again.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 11:43) (Below Threshold)
 @Almazing: Everyone is wrong if we don't accept ebikes in wild and scenic places. I forgot. Silly me.
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 @blowmyfuse:

I'm not the a*shole excluding, alienating, and ostracizing a group of people who many not otherwise be able to enjoy the wilderness and trails without e-bikes that your entitled, elitist, and able-bodied smug ass takes for granted.


So kindly go f*ck yourself. And yes. They are wrong. And you are especially wrong in particular.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 12:04) (Below Threshold)
 @Almazing: There it is. I can hear you shouting through your keyboard. The only way for you to get what you've wanted your whole life is to do it and shout everybody else down until they get tired of listening and give in so you'll hush and they don't have to listen to you.

Does it work all the time or just most days? Whip

I've not said anything disparaging about disabled people or taking their rights away.
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 @blowmyfuse:

Ooooh that's straight to my cold, dead heart. Is that the best you can do? Or are you done here?
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 @blowmyfuse:

Oh and for all of your 'pristine wilderness' and 'preserving rivers' talk, why don't you go pick up the broken beer bottles, craft beer cans, and food wrappers at the top and bottom parking lots of Kitsuma?
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
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 @blowmyfuse: if anyone is shouting, it's you. look at your posts.

also, aren't you the guy who once said disabled people should pick themselves up by the bootstraps and not ask for handouts?
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 12:46) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: welcome to show me that quote verbatim.
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 @Almazing: I do pick up at Kitsuma every time I'm there. Don't post it on social media to gain that following either. Go figure.

But I never pick up the condoms. Someone might can re-use those.
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 @blowmyfuse:

Good. I can respect that.
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 @blowmyfuse: you must have forgotten during that emotional fugue state, but i'm sure you'll find it as a result of your current fear and paranoia, and subsequently try to erase or defend it. i wish you good mental health, dude.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 13:57) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: forge ahead. PB doesn't allow deleting. Only cancel culture downvoting.
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 @blowmyfuse: you're cancelling yourself through your own insecurity about downvotes. take accountability.
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 @blowmyfuse: I suspect @cuban-b is referring to the article and subsequent comments on the closure of some of the KTA trails. I don't think you were all that accepting of e-bikes to get those with injuries/disabilities/health issues back on the trail, from what I recall - having been the target of your vitriol myself in that particular thread.

m.pinkbike.com/news/cyclists-revoked-access-to-parts-of-the-kingdom-trails.html
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 @privateer-wheels: holy shit i forgot about a lot of the crazy disparaging shit he said in that article as well. this is beyond Waki level
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 @cuban-b:

Oh lord. There’s a worse precedent.
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 @privateer-wheels:

Just read through that thread. Wow. Just. Wow. I. Can’t. Even.
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 18:19) (Below Threshold)
 @privateer-wheels: look at you swinging that broad sword. Making a broad description of a very specific topic.

You seem very desperate to paint me as your personal Frankenstein monster.
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 @blowmyfuse: you paint yourself perfectly well with your own words partner. That's on you.
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 @blowmyfuse: you dont want to address the comments from the other thread? the ones you said you didnt make?
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flag blowmyfuse (Sep 15, 2020 at 21:26) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: Reading is fundamental.
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 @blowmyfuse: there it is.
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 LOL! I love the instant cognitive dissonance sets in with Ken and Karen. You can see their perception of the whole world collapse around them. They're no longer the trail crusaders and heroes.

It comes first when the guy tells him it's a handicap piece of equipment and then asks, "who the are you?" Uh-oh. Ken realizes he made a mistake and is, in fact, no one with any authority. Then Karen doubles down with, "You should have led with that..." No, Karen. The correct response is, "Oh man. We are sooooo sorry. We didn't realize what the situation was. Please accept our apologies." The double down is the best part.
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 Imagine going through life having such a fragile ego that you can't even admit when you've very obviously made a mistake. Guy in the video is a jerk but I certainly wouldn't want to have to live in that head.
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 @friendlyfoe: It’s cognitive dissonance. In their heads, they are righteous crusaders for the trail system and the great outdoors. In their heads, this guy was the villain here. The jerk. Except then they are confronted with a reality that makes them the villains. They’re the ones being jerks. Their minds can’t reconcile that reality, so they double down in an effort to preserve their self image as heroes. You can see the moment it happens. The big tell is when the woman says, “you should have led off with that,” and then her husband says he did, but he’s pissed off about it.
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 And it’s such a sudden flip for them from hero to goat. They don’t know which end is up. It’s awesome to watch.
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 I always thought it was typical to say "hello, how are you doing?" when coming along other trail riders, runners, walkers and human beings in general.
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 The mountain biker is dead , long live the mountain biker .
It hurts to say these words but I find its necessary . It should take more then just owning a mountain bike to call yourself a mountain biker . Unfortunately it's no longer the case . Mountain biking use to be a social filter but the recent growth of the sport would support otherwise . As a sport we have lacked in the education department and are now earning the fruits of the lack of efforts . We've made our sport look and sound so incredible that everyone who now enjoys it come with many different attitudes . Some good some not so , but we forget to educate in order to create a better environment for all to
share . How often are the local club facebook pages filled with negative comments ? I had to sign off on my local club page because the constant bitching was getting too annoying and a big waste of time .

As a user group we've lost our moral compass a little , maybe its time we figured our shit out and moved forward . There's no room for hate , spite , greed or any other negative vibes on trails . Mountain biking brings so much joy to all that experience it , I don't see why we shouldn't be able to spread a little more of it in the process .
Remembering in the end we are simply cyclists who enjoy time spent in the forest and we are very lucky to do so .

Happy trails Tim , I hope I see you out there someday
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 I have a good friend who sustained a serious spinal cord injury a couple years ago during a mtb crash. The result of his injury is permanent disability in the form of paraplegia. He can walk but the lower half strength of his body is significantly compromised. He now relies on a e-mtb to ride with his crew. The amount of a-holes offering nasty comments to him online and in person is crazy. The local trail association refuses to acknowledge state and federal ADA laws and accommodate for his situation policy-wise. What was once his chosen activity to ease the stresses of life is now another source of frustration. Unfortunately this video doesn't surprise me. Disability comes in many forms that may not be readily apparent on first glance.
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 That's terrible. Though if I were disabled and relegated to an e-bike, you'd best believe I'm riding MTB trails. Considering that the local trail association can't really 'enforce' anything to anyone, they can kick rocks and bitch and moan about a disabled person riding e-bikes on their trails. I can see the headlines now. Local trail association trying to bar access to disabled mountain biker on an e-bike. Not a good look for any volunteer MTB group. And I can get petty too. I have zero, zero, zero reservations about shaming assholes online.
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 " The local trail association refuses to acknowledge state and federal ADA laws and accommodate for his situation policy-wise." What form would this accommodation take? Should people have licenses or permits to operate e-bikes on trails? Not trying to be a dick; I've had a spine injury myself and could easily have been in your buddy's position. Evergreen seems to be rather hands-off regarding e-bikes, recommending alternate trails or fire roads as the best options. I think what Evergreen is trying to avoid is conflict with land management departments with whom they have worked to build trails that will be used by bikes and people, and e-bikes fall into an uncomfortable gray area with the intended use.
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 @twozerosix: That's a good question and completely in the hands of the trails org, land owner(s), and local gov depts. I am not referring to Evergreen. There is actually no "uncomfortable gray area" when it comes to ADA law. You are correct so far as formal enforcement is concerned, but my friend just wants to ride his bike without the judgement and criticism. He's got enough crap to deal with day to day without jerks making comments.
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 @Almazing: Yeah, so now he's in a weird position...does he personally advocate for policy change or keep quiet? E-mtb hate is strong in a lot of areas. I know people personally who are sympathetic to disabled riders but that sympathy stops well short of policy accomodations. Disabled riders face potential ostracization just by speaking up.
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 @jubilee55: I still can't believe that able-bodied people would even think to ostracize disabled persons when they want to enjoy the same things able-bodied people take for granted. Considering that the state and federal government already back him, it would probably be best to meet with the trail association and discuss trail access for those that are disabled.
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 @Almazing: The trail org is well aware and uninterested in pursuing anything beyond lip service. Until my friend, the city, the land owner, or the trail org (all of whom are aware of this) push the issue nothing will happen. His only option now is to accept the real potential for jabs and judgement every time he rides. It's a shitty situation that I probably wouldn't handle as well as he has.
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 @jubilee55: Yup, policy is going to be way easier to change than people's attitudes.
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 Is that our good friend Eddy king you're talking about ?
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 @jubilee55: honestly the jabs and judgement would probably persist even if he got the OK from the trail organization. That’s when it’s time for a pity laugh and a friendly “go f*ck yourself” to anyone who has shit to say. I definitely wouldn’t even stop to argue with some pathetic loser d*ckhead like that.
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 Nothing but praises to a man that cant walk but anyway finds the will to roam through the trails. Those couple bastards dont know shoot bout life. Hope they see the video, realize that were such a prck and stay home and dont reproduce...
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 They are in hiding. I heard they closed their social media accounts. Most people who are faced with obstacles will go through a series of emotions. Depression, anger, fear and then acceptance. You make the best of it. I have a progressive lung disease. I love to ride but I can no longer climb. Every year my lungs get worse. I still DH and I try to keep my body as in shape as possible. My friends are cool in that we hit bike parks and they will pull over with me every couple of minutes while I catch my breath. I will take jumps and keep riding as long as I can. I have an ebike and that allows me to keep up with my friends. Best thing that is happened to the sport. I am really cool with other riders and do not usually pass anyone. We need to be cool to other people.
  • 18 1
 Captain America: The Prick Avenger
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 I would have stopped and checked out his cool ride then sent him off with a smile and a good job comment
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 100%
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 Living in Indiana is likely punishment enough
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 Yeah. I escaped that place
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 "Just cos you ride, doesn't mean you're cool"
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 Extra idiot points for the "You should have lead with that" line when, literally, the first thing he said was that it was handicapped equipment.
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 We as stewards of the mountain bike community can use this as a reminder of what NOT to do. Always be inclusive. I don't care if it's explicitly illegal for a motorized wheelchair/bike to be used on the trail. I would NEVER stop someone from enjoying the outdoors and trails. As Tom requests this is a great opportunity to have empathy for the two able bodied cyclists who clearly have other issues going on. They directed their sadness/anger in the wrong way at the wrong person. Who knows what is going on in their life.
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 When so many of the trails we all ride are of dubious legality, I don't know how so many people take issue with allowing ebikes on official trails. Surely they are doing the exact same thing as me half the time - Riding stuff they possibly shouldn't? I am lucky in that access is not an issue for me though... If it was I can perhaps see where the guy is coming from but man did he approach the situation wrong!

What I do know is that in this example, where the rider is disabled, there is absolutely no complaint from me... Ebikes are incredible for trail access for people with disabilities, whether hidden or not. The real issue is with ebikes is people wanting instant gratification and/or to be lazy, and as they reap the reward of that themselves, perhaps we all need to chill out about ebikes a bit?
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 @pinkbike’s anti doxxing statement is on point. What the two able-bodied riders did here was clearly wrong, but threats and ad hominem attacks don’t make our community better. If those riders are out there, I hope they come back as more considerate and accommodating members of our community.
✌️
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 They are not part of this community.
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 What a total gentleman.
Gets beef with ignorance, isn't even rude, just corrects them and strolls away with a polite but obviously sarcastic remark.
11/10
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flag nordland071285 (Sep 14, 2020 at 14:16) (Below Threshold)
 And sticks it on Facebook
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 I think much of this has to do with the overall self-righteous effect that online discourse tends to create. Of course we'll never know for sure, but, this guy probably is in some way involved in the often times raging ebike debate online - obviously on the side against them. It probably built up elevated sensitivity and tension, which creates this almost impulsive reaction at any semblance of something confirming of his priors IRL.

So, you know, he probably hears the whine of the electric motor before the rider arrives, then - not being familiar with adaptive wheelchairs - it all probably added up to some snap judgment of it being some kind of electric recreational vehicle. Then of course, the couple appears guilty of the classic human failing of rather than just apologizing, stupidly clinging to an obviously wrong position that they've committed to, because they've committed to it (e.g., "you should have led with that").

This happens in many contexts. Mask shaming is pretty common these days for example, but, I have a friend who has serious panic attacks from wearing masks and has been yelled at for sometimes putting her mask down briefly to try and calm down. So, like others have been saying, take this as a time to think about subtlety, nuance, and complexity in ALL of its manifestations, not just those that reinforce your priors.

In any case, a very terrible encounter, no doubt, but like with most of these cases, I don't think that there's much to "learn" here beyond the narrow confines of this incident. If we need to learn anything, it's that the reason why these flashpoints are so enraging is precisely because they are so beyond the pale of ordinary behavior, i.e., they are not representative of the typical encounter riding. All the cries of "what is wrong with people", are overwrought.
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 Those trails actually look like they were made for a wheelchair.
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 Good job on staying cool and composed.

Were you riding with anyone? What happens when you crash or flip over. Major respect for getting out on the trails.
You should do a video on your bike / cart, showing how it works and lets you get out on the trails.

Keep getting out and enjoying the trails.
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 Its sad that the Ebike hatred consumed these people so much, that they couldnt see past the red mist to the fact that this guy was disabled.
Maybe its a lack of common sense but if someone is piloting a 'vehicle?' like that, with their feet strapped in, its pretty obvious they are disabled.
But moreover, who is this sanctimonious dick to dictate rules to other park users?
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 Tom, I appreciate your bravery and willingness to share. Some comments are right, this guy (and lady) are not apart of the mountain bike community, or any community for that matter. As a frequent rider in the PNW, we experience a lot of these weekend warriors who overstep their boundaries and display their true colors. I'm amazed by the lack of kindness and camaraderie displayed in a sport so pure and full of excitement. Keep ripping on your bike brother! Cheers!
  • 8 0
 Lesson to everyone, mind your own fucking business.
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 I think the guy didn't realize what he was looking at and thought this was some type of electric ATV and then was embarrassed and tried to stick with his argument after his initial comments...just unfortunate human nature...I'm sure he probably regrets what he said.
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 What a profound level of entitlement and insecurity to create this kind of conflict on the trail. Asking Tim to show him the rules that allow him be on that public land while being ignorant of the ADA legislation that grants him access. Wow.
  • 5 1
 that you would use this as a moment to ask for compassion speaks volumes of your humility and maturity. Thank you for your call to "love one another", super proud to call you a brother in this community of bikers.
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 So it looks like the guy really didn't know what an adaptive bike was. As stupid as he looked I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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 Yes, simple analysis of his wife's statement 'you should have led with that' tells me that they didn't realise. A sorry would have been nice though, and might have saved him going viral and all the bs that goes with that.
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 @nordland071285: Oh, everything that came after that is completely abhorrent. I think he was just caught off guard and didn't know how to respond in the midst of a conflict. Upon reflection he's probably regretting how he acted even before the release of the video.
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 @chriskneeland: yes I imagine that is punishment enough..realising you just insulted someone with a disability
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 @nordland071285: can you explain what she means by "you should have led with that"?
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 @SimbaandHiggins: I think it meant 'you should have said that first '
I.e why didn't you say that in the first place

So to me, that means they didn't realise he had a disability and the first time he said 'hamdicapped vehicle' wasn't understood

I know it seems like I'm really standing up for these guys, but Im only trying to clear up the misunderstanding
And I object to people being crucified on social media..particularly over a misunderstanding
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 It defies belief that the guy didn't realize it's adaptive equipment, and that Tom has mobility challenges.
Picture of the actual adaptive vehicle Tom was riding doesn't leave much room for misunderstanding:

cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/tom-morris-adapted-e-bike-2-facebook.PNG
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 @enki: It looks like they genuinely had no idea it was an adaptive bike.
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 @chriskneeland: the first thing the guy told them was that it was a handicapped vehicle. He later told them he couldn’t walk. It was immediately obvious to me and should have been obvious to them. This has everything to do with that guy being a dick to a handicapped trail user. The fact is, he is not the trail police like he was acting like he was and he has no authority to do what he did. He also should have known, just by seeing a quad chair user on the trail that the user was handicapped and he has a right to be there. He also appeared to be trying to act hard or like he was a badass in front of the girl he was with. That’s just pathetic. Either way, he was a dick.
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 Access for the disabled is unarguable. He said it best. "My legs don't work". Small minded people. Wheel chair knobbies in clear view. RIP it up dude.
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 Mountain biking is a growing sport, it's becoming more main stream. That means you're going to see a larger cross section of society on the trail. Hate to tell you but that cross section is sometimes going to include bad apples. The couple in the video are an example of the typical "Get off my lawn, Not in my backyard etc" Most likely retired or close to it, acting out to prove to themselves they still have some sort of control in their lives which is obviously not as great as they would want.
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 You are making a lot of assumptions. Not saying you are wrong, but it could just be a case of overreacting from someone who always follows the rules and hates when they are broken. I understand the guy is handicapped but "absolutely no motorized vehicles" means no means what it says lol.

If It were me, I would contact whoever manages the trail system before riding anything motorized... Regardless of physical condition...
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 Mr. Morris, you are indeed a class act. A better man than me. In the PB Friday Fails page, I wrote some tongue-in cheek response about a punishment for those 2. I now realize I have been too harsh and piling on. Instead of gritty carbon paste, I would substitute Slick Honey for their 12 hour, saddle-less seatpost ride through rock gardens punishment. I hope they make amends with you and the community there.
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 Really makes you wonder how hurt someone has to be themselves to treat a disabled person like that.
  • 6 0
 It's very hard to argue with a genius. It's nigh on impossible to argue with an idiot
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 Ignorance is not an excuse for being a dick. If you don't want to end up getting vilified on the internet, approach situations you don't understand with respect and compassion. I hope this video's viral success brings awareness to these mobility devices, so that when people encounter them in the wild, they will be supportive instead of judgmental.
  • 4 0
 I can't even begin to express the depth of my disgust with this couple. If I had come across this gentleman on any trail I would have been super stoked and welcoming... because I am human.
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 Another extremist against anything motorized. A park is for everyone to enjoy. If they need help because of a handicap so be it. I hope he continues to enjoy riding there despite what that idiot says. That’s not how a mt biker should treat another mt biker.
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 I'm a disabled mountain biker. I have cerebral palsy. I ride a mountain bike a lot better than I walk. Those people were slow to figure out that obviously it wasn't an e-bike but an accessibility device. Lesson learned about jumping to conclusions, I hope.

That said, they probably had no idea what they were looking at, and there's a reason why a lot of MTBers (including me) don't like e-bikes on their local trails. The practical consequence of their presence: it doubles the speed of riders on a lot of terrain. It also lets a lot of people get to remote trails or on top of difficult climbs that you used to have to "earn" with your legs. This means more novices who don't know how to ride with etiquette or skill. I've had e-bikers scream at me to "get out of the way" passing on technical ups or coming down trials where I have the right of way. One guy on a Turbo Levo wanted to fight me after my friend, a tiny woman and excellent MTBer, politely pointed out the right of way rules after he nearly wrecked us. I'm sure they're fun, just like motorcycles are. But they don't belong on most public trails.

Accessibility devices are obviously an entirely different issue. But I get why they were mixed up.
  • 3 0
 What an ignorant person..wtf did his wife not backhand him across the head..
I would love to see him speak anyone biking in Scotland like that,am sure he'd receive some traditional Scottish hospitality ????????????????????
????
  • 6 0
 Disgusting behaviour. Absolutely shameful. Abhorrent.
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 Tom meets a Ken and Karen on the trail.

Thanks for recording and sharing this poor behavior. Let’s all do better than those two idiots did.
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 I appreciate and respect Tim's response and wishes, and the good will that it represents. I also appreciate that these people were doxxed and not-so-politely informed of the wrongness of their ways days ago.
  • 6 1
 That turd isnt part of the mountain bike community. Someone give him a slap
  • 6 0
 Forget the Friday Fail, this is a lifetime fail!
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 Nothing but great respect to Tom for staying clear and acting cool in this situation. Kindness is often forgotten nowadays. I wish to see more disabled persons get access to our great sport and hope his message will be heard also by the d-bag of this video so that this ignorant character can reflect on his behaviour. Tom your daily fight is not only to get of the bed or in a chair but also to build emphasis by other people in a very noble way.
  • 3 0
 I never get bothered by people with cerebral palsy, prosthetic legs, or super obese people poaching trails on ebikes. One time I saw a paralized guy cranking one of these bikes with his arms. Mad respect.
  • 2 0
 Watching the video even though you can only see the riders feet strapped in and the wheels, it looks pretty obvious to me that he has a disability and this is an adaptive vehicle. Even if Mr. D-Bag wasn't sure he could have started the conversation with something much different (like what is that bike or where did you get that) and probably figured out that it was an adaptive ride.
  • 3 0
 WOW! - Those two clowns should be banned from mountain biking for life. They simply do not deserve to enjoy the mountains. I hope karma finds them around one of Life's switchbacks sometime soon.
  • 3 0
 Whatever, if the wheel chair guy didn’t want sweet revenge he would have never posted the video. Dox the perp like the internet we are! This one might actually deserve it for once.
  • 2 0
 I am wondering why this guy would challenge someone with a disability, he should have step off the trail and allowed Tom to pass & applauded him as he was riding by. Sound like this guy is a newbie to aMTB and thinks he is a trail monitor.
I have done over three-thousand miles on my eMTB on trail I wasn't suppose to be on and have never had anyone challenge me about riding my eMTB like this guy was doing. This guy is going to get his ass-kicked by someone and his wife/girlfriend is going to have to watch.
  • 3 0
 Tom, you handled that so well, good on ya man. That dude missed a cool opportunity to chat up a pretty rad person. I would of loved to check out that chair. Thanks for showing us what class looks like.
  • 2 0
 I live in Indiana and ride at Brown County a lot. I have personally seen this it truly is sad. People here just don't respect the sport they don't see it as going out and riding and having fun. Everyone here is too focused on there Strava time and how fast they can do a clime or complete a loop. The man was probably angry because Tom was going to slow for him and he messed up his time. The man also doesn't understand the difference between a handicapped vehicle and a regular e-bike. This trail weed patch is a long flow trail that does have a sigh at the to that says no e-bikes but this isn't a e-bike. Sadly there are people like this I truly feel his anger and confusion, I've been stoped like that before, some guy got in my face because I messed up his time on a climb because he was going the wrong direction on the trail.
  • 2 0
 I have a breathing condition which has become a lot worse since this mask mandate. I have not been able to ride for a year. They finally opened up a park near me. I found my self suffocating within a mile. I am very fit, but my O2 sats are about 92. E-bikes are not allowed anywhere i ride. I love to ride and without one I wont be able to ride any more. I previously used to ride at top 100/4000 lb on Strava on any segment on an enduro.

There is an unreasonable venomous hatred for anything E-Bike in the USA. These bikes don't make you faster if you are already fast. They allow the weaker riders to ride at trail speed and help anyone go longer. This hive mentality hurts the industry and is holding back the MTB community. LBS aren't selling many E-MTBS in the USA as a result of this hate. The hate makes people feel the need to cause trouble for anyone on an E-Bike including those who are disabled.

Doubt anyone will read this, but if you do, I hope I put some ideas in your head. Have an open mind the next time you see someone on an e-bike. Even a fit rider wont be faster than any best effort segment on a normal bike.
  • 8 3
 Elitist, gatekeeping assholes are the worst.
  • 6 2
 He is an absolute total LOSER! How his wife could stand by and be idle is beyond despicable.
  • 3 0
 They deserve each other.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel: it’s easy to hate on the whole situation but don’t forget about the possibility of an abusive relationship before you go judging a third party based on the video you watched
  • 3 0
 I don’t understand people. I would feel blessed to be able to ride my bike and be happy that the guy can have a bit of fun as well.
  • 3 1
 Don't worry man, the most part of riders aren't like these two persons.
Seriously, what's wrong with them ? If they want to piss other riders off, they must stay at home or whatever and don't ride a bike... sucker...
  • 4 0
 dicks happen, but to brighten things up, as a disabled rider on ebike, I've met on trails only kindness and help when needed
  • 1 0
 I have to admit when I saw that video yesterday I imagined it had to be some kind of spoof and not real, as I didn't think anyone was really quite that "douchey" in reality, I even thought the voice was exaggerated whiny. I am still a little surprised that it was actually real.
  • 5 1
 If that guy was riding a Yeti, we'd have three times the amount of outrage going on here.
  • 3 0
 I'd be cheering the disabled fella on,...that could be any one of us after our next ride man. Come to Michigan and ride, no a*sholes allowed (posted at every trailhead) LMAO
  • 5 0
 Fuck that bellend he probably cant ride a bike anyway! Pompus twat!
  • 4 0
 I'm absolutely humbled by Tim's attitude towards this situation. I need to be more like Tim. Peace, all.
  • 4 0
 Tom, his name is Tom. One letter, so close, but agree with your sentiment.
  • 1 1
 @Hill-Seeker: Article says Tim and Tom. Which is it?
  • 2 1
 @pdxkid: Top left of the Facebook video at the top of the article says Tom Morris. He calls himself Tom so I'm going with Tom.
  • 1 0
 @Hill-Seeker: Thanks. Looks like PB fixed the article. Cheers
  • 5 0
 And the DICK of the year award goes to.....
  • 4 0
 100% bike douche, cyclist douche, whatever you want to call them.. Hate them
  • 1 0
 Race, politics, and kindness aside, does anyone actually know what the policy is on e-bikes for handicapped people? In the state of Indiana or your own State? It would seem they should be an exception or have always been an exception.

But then consider, what if you are 65+ or have an injury like Paul Bass or Martyn Ashton? The line doesn't seem clear anymore between e-assist, e-powered, and actual environmental impact concerns. Trailhead signs are usually not that complicated.
  • 1 0
 The MTB community is based off love and kindness not d-bag elitism. Respect towards the trails and each other is the best way to grow the sport.... These two jerks give MTB a bad name and are not welcome in the sport until they fix their attitude towards others.
  • 4 0
 Man....people like this are the worst in MTB communit , I can't stand them.
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the fantastic message Tom. I don't know you, but I have an immense amount of respect for you. The bike community, and the world at large, would be much better off with more empathy and kindness towards all people, in all regards. Even in tough situations like this. Ride on man!
  • 1 0
 The reason to be courteous and acknowledge everyone on a trail is not only part of being human but they could very well be the someone who helps you repair your bike or provides medical care to your body or comforts you while waiting for an ambulance they called for you.
  • 4 0
 If anyone should be banned from the park it's this douche nozzle (the dick standing on two legs).
  • 1 0
 What a douchebag! Unfortunately, there's more of those hanging around than we'd wish for....on or off the trail...an attitude and intelligence problem I guess. Fortunately, there're more kind and empathetic people around than those who are not...
  • 3 0
 @blowmyfuse: Jeese, don't overthink it. It's basically about just not being a c*nt.
It's clear you've missed that. Maybe just try not being a d*ck, see how that goes.
  • 1 0
 Live and let live. This is another perfect example of people who are offended for the sake of taking offense. More people need to stop and evaluate the situation a bit better, and ask themselves, "how does this truly affect me, and if it does; what steps should I take to provoke change".
Take away the obvious factor that this is clearly a bike designed specifically for disabled people, and add in the potential for not understanding the situation to it's fullest.
While I agree, that we all need to do out part to protect our trails and support out communities, the major error this guy made was assuming, rather than inquisitively questioning before coming to his conclusion.
While I feel that his behavior was for lack of a better word, disgusting; I also feel this is a learning opportunity for people to educate.
I feel this is the stance more people need to take with the issues of the world today.
It reallg doesn't matter if your a liberal supporting rights for all, or a conservative holding onto the morals and values of yesterday, were all guilty of making those assumptions and aggressively coming to our conclusions whether your motivated by historical values or your so called "woke".
I think the message of empathy is truly the path we all need to take.
Lets all stop waiting for the other person to stop talking just to voice your own opinion, and actually listen to what each and everybody have to say.
Only then can we get past our differences, align ourselves with one another, and at the very least, agree to disagree.
Live and let live.
Thank you kindly Tom Morris for your message of empathy.
Here's to hoping the right people are listening.
  • 5 0
 D Bags gonna be D Bags. Don't take it to heart.
  • 3 0
 The human society is DISGUSTING AND GROSS! Animals have more respect for each other than we do. I'm embarrassed just to be a human being at this point.
  • 1 1
 Check out The Jordan B Peterson podcast.
  • 3 0
 Ride on Tom Morris - I, for one, hope I'll have the honor of meeting you on a singletrack someday & I'm obviously not alone. Stay Rad.
  • 1 0
 Thank you Pinkbike for running this article - Situations like this one and the idiots who trigger them have to be exposed if we want to make our sport and humanity better. I sincerely hope that people who know those two tuna brains confront them and fall on them like a ton of bricks. Stupidity seems to have no limit in North America these days.
  • 3 0
 I think if Todd can afford a Yeti he can buy Karen a better bike. Also loose the bar ends. Also don't be dicks? To much to ask?
  • 3 1
 WTF. A Couple of Virtue Signaling Fools without a Shred of Empathy in them. They are NOT MOUNTAINBIKERS. Good on Tom for having the self respect to stand up for himself and what is right!
  • 2 0
 This is my home trail system...I am so disappointed to see people behaving this way. On another note, I'd love to see what that guy's rig looks like - Our trails can be pretty gnarly!
  • 4 0
 That able-bodied mountain biker, needs to be taken out behind a woodshed, and have his knee caps broken.
  • 1 0
 I am on the side of the handicap individual. It’s all about sharing the trails, being inclusive of one another, and supporting each other. I have no tolerance for people like that guy who questioned the guy on a motorized wheelchair!
  • 1 0
 “The message is kindness. As we move forwards I would just really appreciate if we could look at each other with a little more empathy and try and get out there and make this place a little bit better.”—Tom Morris

Well said Tom! Those words of wisdom are an inspiration to try harder to be patient, kind, friendly, and more empathic.
  • 3 0
 With all the unfactual crap that gets posted on pinkibike about anything E, I wouldn’t be surprised if the two dickheads were part of this site.
  • 2 0
 Thank you James for covering this story and giving Tom Morris the platform to adress this topic, share his experience and explain his motivation for uploading the video of the incident.
Tom: ride on!
  • 3 0
 Those riders know who they are and their friends know who they are, and they have to live with their behaviour to others now.
  • 1 0
 I am philosophically apposed to Ebikes on the trail. That being said, I would never berate some stranger out on the trail riding a Ebike & obviously I'm "not" against Ebikes for people with health issues where it would allows them to ride. Only a moron or a real A-hole would be against that.
  • 2 0
 That guy is a fucking kook. Everyone deserves to mountain bike even if that means someone that has to use an adaptive mountain bike. I surely hope that the guy with the big mouth gets his ass handed to him on the trail.
  • 1 0
 There is nothing sicker or more inspiring than watching people rip on four wheel mountain bikes. Indeed overcoming any adversity is inspiring. Ive mostly only experienced inclusivity and friendly behavior in mountain biking but as the sport grows it will attract more small mindedness. Its all our jobs to continue to be inclusive and friendly to keep that culture going. Its important and it sets our sport apart. We should be proud of it and foster it.
  • 3 2
 I'm a professional trail builder and I brought my gf an ebike so we could ride together She has had two kidney transplants and doesn't have the strength to ride without assistance. Where I live, most public mtb trails ban ebike use so we stick to the gravel roads and some private trails. It's disheartening we can't ride some of the easier trails in the Nation Forest she would enjoy. I get why ppl are "concerned" about trail sustainability. We need to build better trail, not ban ebikes. I think ebikes will double the ppl riding, lower traditional bike cost, bring in more money for sustainable public trails, and increase demand for bike parks from the more advanced riders.
  • 1 0
 I haven't posted a comment on pinkbike for ages, first of all if people didn't keep making such a buzz about hating on ebikes this wouldnt be as much of a problem anyway. Who gives a stuff what you ride, if you're out there enjoying yourself and bikes. I know Tom is saying about kindness and not retaliating which I understand, but I want that guy to know what a class A prick he is. I see cyclists near where I live with missing legs and all sorts and I have got nothing but admiration for any person esoecially when they are disabled who wants to get out there and be part of the world and enjoy themselves and anyone who wants to challenge that is a cock. It's a trail. It will be fine.
  • 1 0
 It's astonishing to me how the majority of comments here missed Tom's point. He is a great example of how we should treat and think about others. Overall most people would say I'm a pretty welcoming and nice guy, but I've done some really stupid things that I regret later. Fortunately, they weren't caught on video, but if they were I'd really hope there was some room for forgiveness.
  • 1 0
 @Pinkbike I've reached out to Tom Morris to ask if he or Bowhead Corp could do some sort of article on Pinkbike to demonstrate what offroad adaptive equipment looks like these days, and explain that not every offroad wheelchair is going to be hand-cranked.
  • 1 0
 Shame on pink bike for protecting these useless human beings. They should be identified, have their names dragged through the mud, shamed on social media so everyone knows what kind of people they are, and left to feel unwelcome in the biking community like they did you the man they decided to be so ignorant too.
  • 1 0
 Couple people were a*sholes on video and paid a massive price for it.

Judging by comments on "what they deserve" there's a whole lot of people here that are far bigger a*sholes than they were. All talk, no critical thinking.
  • 3 0
 I NEVER WRITE COMMENTS BUT THIS GUY DESERVES A SWIFT KICK IN THE NUTS!!! HUMANITY AT IT'S BEST!! TOM YOU ROCK! Run him over next time!
  • 1 0
 I really can't stand to associate with nosy whiners. I can tell he's a phonie just by the fact that he's stopped Trailside, not sweating, and doesn't seem to have burned many calories at all. Unless I've crashed or lost a bike part, I'm not aking a break. Slack ass lazy wannabe poseur on a bike that greatly exceeds his skill level. I will remain a kind and humble person on my 13 year old Fuji Tahoe, and continue to shred past this new generation of jack wads on trophy bikes. This makes me want that 30 acre parcel of cheap country land even more.
  • 1 0
 What a dickhead...Those two get me sick,if you are wrong,just stop arguing and said sorry...If the father of that guy is watching this,plz go and slap in the face to your son,never is too late,if you are too old, 100% there is a ton of people ready to teach them....
This is one of the worst in trail action I could imagine...I trust the karma thing,that dickhead had a very bad Karma now,I wish him flat after flat tire,maybe he can learn how important is being able to walk.
  • 1 0
 This guy is such a hater of e-bikes that rather than take a second to think before he spoke he starts ripping into a guy in a wheelchair. However even after him saying I can't walk the guy was still rude to him. I spent six months in a wheelchair and it took me almost a year to learn to walk after that. I can ride my mountain bike better than I can walk now. If I saw a guy on the trail in electric wheelchair I would be amazed. I would have been rooting him on. When you don't have the ability to walk and you're out in the middle of the woods you are so vulnerable. I think it's good he shared this video
  • 1 0
 Classic case of the kid everyone wanted to punch in the face in grade school, but didn't. The wavering in his voice within the first few syllables said it all. Absolute kook. I hope this video finds its way to those around him so that he can be constantly reminded of how tiny and insignificant he is. I bet his wifey pegs him regularly.
  • 1 0
 Why are so many people so capable of this much hate? What if it was YOU who was wheelchair bound and would still love to go out on the trails? Don’t be so self centered. I know, we’re Americans, so we can be bastards all we want or whatever, but really: shut up. Nobody wants to hear you toxic comments about someone’s else’s unfortunate position.
  • 2 1
 The deputy director said 'off road wheel chairs" will be provided. He did not say "motorized wheel chairs" provide, being g roughly 5-8k a piece. Dude had a motorized bike, director did not confirm EBIKES OR MOTORIZED BIKES ARE ALLOWED? Some needs to post the actual rules. Yeah chicken legged lycra boy was a jerk, but probably had a valid point if motorized/ebikes weren't allowed, no exceptions..
  • 1 0
 What I'm confused about is it's a downhill section of the trail and everyone in the video seems to be heading downhill. So this dick is apparently riding with his wife downhill so slow that a disabled rider on an electric wheelchair is able to catch them or get close enough that they felt the need to get off their bikes turn around and walk up and confront him.

Honestly, what kind of idiot couldn't tell this guy was seriously disabled at 1st glance? Honestly? What a dick.
  • 1 0
 Tom, thanks from the UK.

I have no idea if this is happening here too, but I’ve shared on FB to spread your wise and humbling words.

Thanks again - I’m naive enough to have imagined this doesn’t happen in the trail community where you are or over here - a grim day for me during a grim year......
  • 1 0
 I would say post is Valid! Every once in a while we all need be confronted so we might change our perspectives. Note the request is not in Rage. The poster simply asks for EMPATHY ON. For Gosh Sakes have some Respect! EChair or Ebike or whateverz in the world. Respect! Empathy on People! My first last and only post to anything... ThanknYou.
  • 1 0
 Checked out Tom’s post on FB and donated to the Challenged Athlete Foundation he posted on Sept 2. It’s difficult not to focus on the jack-holes in his post but instead relish in Tom’s positive message. We need more of who Tom is in the world!! ...and maybe some shaming of the couple for being complete idiots!
  • 1 0
 Well, I surely hope that whatever LBS those two inconsiderate A**hats frequent sees this as well as their "cycling" friends... Such a shame that they have the audacity to question a persons disabilities!!! I would not have put it past them to hide in the bushes to stalk Tom and make sure he was indeed disabled!!! Bunch of lowlifes!
  • 3 0
 How mean, how smug..hope they can summon up the courage, to apologise, as shame is in short supply in these times...
  • 4 2
 I know we can’t identify the guy. And I think that’s a good thing! But my guess is, that his first name is like that comment section-famous UCI guy
  • 1 0
 They were identified several days ago. The internet did what it does.
  • 5 1
 He'll get what's coming to him.......Stay tuned, same bat-channel.
  • 4 0
 I cant even believe this happened!!!!!!!!! What is wrong with people??????
  • 3 0
 i'm a kind person and i like to promote kindness but that guy is a piece oh shit. period.
  • 4 0
 Could easily fit in the fails of the week1
  • 2 0
 Its quite easy to tell when these are handicap pieces of equipment. This is just two dumb people not looking or thinking before opening their mouth.
  • 4 0
 Idiots are everywhere. Angry ones are worse.
  • 5 0
 Idiots are everywhere ..
  • 3 0
 Pretty dick move denying a disabled person getting out there and enjoy the outdoors.
  • 1 1
 Very glad you posted the video! Ride on! People may ask if they see someone hammering past them on a climb (or downhill) on an eBike if they are authorized to be on the trail, but they need to do so with some tact. There are cases for eBikes, and every person regardless of ability should be able to shred. Be inquisitive, and kind.
  • 2 0
 I’m looking forward to my E bike chair, hopefully by than I will design it with 4 hub motors. Brapppppppp oops. Zzzzzzzzzzzz the Ebike goes
  • 2 0
 Thank you pinkbike for sharing this. Teach your kids kindness and empathy people, and great shall be their Peace. Be kind to one another; be kind.
  • 2 0
 PSA: All of you young bucks out there will get old one day (hopefully). It's a daily struggle to keep from become a curmudgeon (Latin for "old douche").
  • 4 0
 What a pair of a holes. I hope they feel deeply ashamed
  • 3 0
 I kinds think they did when the realized their picking on a handicapped person. Just their bruised ego did not have the time to heal and say sorry. My guess is the whole way home they felt 2 inches tall.
  • 3 0
 LOOOOL what an absolute piece of trash. He sticks to it after the dude even tells him he can’t walk.....WUT
  • 3 0
 I hope that knob is on this site and reading these comments. How have you not been punched in the face?
  • 1 1
 I think part of it could be that folks don't realize that many states have exemptions for adaptive equipment that allows disabled folks to use what are essentially electric go-carts on trails.

It would be real easy to see Tom's wheelchair (he wasn't riding an hand-bike) like an electric ATV and think he's some guy abusing the trails.
  • 3 0
 Hoping the seething passive-aggressive poison that his girl gives him after this went viral is enough punishment for him...
  • 1 0
 I dunno about others, but I wanna see what this guy is riding. For example, I wonder if it has ackerman steering. I basically wanna see how much room there is to improve it, so there's less conflict like this.
  • 2 0
 Almost the worst part is the motion the lady was doing while he passed them. For real man, these people really otta be ashamed of themselves.
  • 3 0
 Clearly this P.O.S. is a roadie spending the day in the woods pretending he is a Mt. Biker.
  • 3 0
 I'm sure that A-hole will return to that park.. I wish I could wait for him
  • 2 0
 This dude is waving the flag and keeping the candle lit for all you e-bike hating dorks out there. Keep fighting the good fight to ban e-bikes forever brother!
  • 1 1
 well im from indiana and been saying this since everyone wants to hate on e bikes this is how ya gona get mountain bike trails shut down for everyone all it is going to take is for someone like this gentelman to sue (and rightfuly so ) the state of indiana or any state it happens in for a couple a million and believe me after said state pays out they will be like we will shut it down for everything exept hiking and personal mobility vehicles my opion the mountain biker should be banned fron all dnr property in the state of indiana what a ass
  • 1 0
 That man must be so full of hate. I can’t imagine how painful it must be to be so miserable. I almost feel bad for him, miserable, dumb and full of hate. That’s not an enviable existence.
  • 3 0
 I'll bet 20 bucks they're KYMBA members
  • 1 2
 I had this problem about 6 months ago I broke my leg falling fifteen foot and landing sideways on it but I was allowed to ride sat down and then you could hear people sn*ggering like that guys crap he’s sat down. That really annoyed me as I did it on a 8 ft tall steep up
  • 2 0
 It’s time more of you try walking in our shoe some of us struggle a locean more than we will ever let you see
  • 4 4
 I say we find these idiots and break their bikes. They don't deserve to be on the trail. I like how she said "you should have lead with that"... are you f*cking dumb AND ignorant! POS!
  • 4 3
 I'm surprised his wife hasn't realised he's in to dicks, not just being one :o). That's the most camp squaring up I've ever seen!
  • 2 0
 I would fought that Mfer in a heart beat if I would of saw that Sht ! Just Wrong !
  • 2 0
 I'm amused how this idiot postures up and tries to act tough to a guy with a disability.
  • 3 2
 I am sure that guy was just being an asshole because he was stuck riding the garbage machine built flow trails at Brown County.
  • 2 0
 Uhh...what? Those are the best trails in the state with plenty of non machine build trails
  • 2 0
 I straight up would have punched him in the pace and slashed his bike tires.
  • 1 0
 I love it! Who's the real mountain biker here? Tom Morris with no
suspension, or captain dickhead and his concubine with 140mm
dualies??? Ride on, Tom!
  • 3 0
 this video made me wanna stab a cunt
  • 1 1
 I sometimes ride an "e-bike" I may wear my stretchy pants and a "fanny pack" with my pistol in it. Be careful who you step to when you are not behind a keyboard. I dont advocate violence but I will not be a victim
  • 1 0
 Hi, Tom. Just wanted to say that this isn't who we are here in Brown County. We welcome ALL to the trails. Hope to see you out there!
  • 32 31
 America, right now, is not a nice place. Especially Indiana, home of the vice president.
  • 15 1
 Hey Chrismac,.....no need to jab Indiana, lots of great salt of the earth people down there. That couple was probably visiting from Kentucky. lol
  • 4 1
 @uplander01: fair, fair. its tough and confusing times to believe that fellow mountain bikers would act this way.
  • 3 0
 @chrismac: I AGREE my friend
  • 8 9
 i would take Indiana over Portland, NYC, Chicago, L.A cali, among other cities right now
  • 1 0
 The Kurt Vonnegut Jr. museum in Indy is a redeeming feature!
  • 3 0
 That is just sad ... :-(
  • 2 0
 PEACE LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING!
  • 3 0
 Quel connard!
  • 2 0
 People siding with the aggro MTBer are really telling on themselves.
  • 2 1
 Can we defund the PC Police instead and anyone else who wants to Police their neighbor as their Home is a dumpster fire?
  • 2 0
 I'm thinking a dentist for sure
  • 1 0
 Wow. I feel sorry for them both. Very sad and angry man who needs a hug ;-(
  • 2 0
 Clearly the accuser is blind. Look at that kit he is wearing.
  • 3 0
 What a fucking coward.
  • 3 1
 That's what E-bike haters look and sound like.
  • 1 0
 Fuck that guy! Keep riding dude, the guy with the canary yellow bike is obviously an idiot. You're an inspiration.
  • 1 0
 This couple should come forward, out themselves and apologize. Problem solved.
  • 1 0
 Well you posted it. And now the entire MTB community wants his head on a stick.
  • 2 1
 Wow, I'm actually having a hard time believing there are people this stupid, on nice bikes.
  • 1 0
 and don't forget to vote for BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE UNIVERSE at www.biggestdouche@thatsright.com !
  • 2 0
 This is so stupid I find it hard to believe it's a real encounter.....
  • 1 0
 I'm going to share this with Martyn Ashton and the guys at GMBN - a site I support.
  • 2 1
 Empathy and Kindness let all forgive the poor sole?
  • 3 0
 The bottom of his riding shoe?
  • 2 1
 Had to be on a Santa Cruz......eeruuurrgghh!
  • 1 1
 Ya that’s why he’s an asshat.
  • 1 0
 2 words for the able -bodied duchess bags....ass clowns!
  • 1 0
 SPECIAL KIND OF STUPID !!!
  • 1 0
 To the point....GUY NEEDS A KICK IN THE NUTS!
  • 1 0
 What an insane fucking assehole!
  • 1 0
 Rock on Tom! Thank you, thank you, thank you.
  • 1 0
 Dude was just mad because he couldn't make it up the climb
  • 1 0
 TOM. you are THE MAN. we all need to try and be more like you brother.
  • 1 0
 Tom id love to ride with you sometime!
  • 2 1
 I’m surprised none of them is carrying an assault rifle!
  • 1 1
 Holy Crap!
Why is everyone so freaking sensitive??
The issue is, where is the Grim Donut????????????
  • 2 2
 that guy sounds like he went to the same school of stupidity his president did.....you just have to call a dick....a dick
  • 1 0
 Thunmbnail for this article says it all.
  • 1 0
 That is absolutely trash to treat another human like that, period.
  • 1 0
 I know that dude. He goes by Karen
  • 1 0
 Nice considered response by OP - kudos.
  • 1 0
 what did she say?
  • 8 0
 "you should have led with that" which he did...
  • 1 0
 Edit: *spelling
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 Never leave home without your MAGA T-shirt!
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 You got that right Smile
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 He’ll be running for president next term. Apparently it’s a prerequisite. What a total d bag
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 Infuriating!!!
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 This seems a little too set-up and rehearsed to me.
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 Much respect to you man!! I would've spit on their faces..
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 Kill’em with kindness.
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 The guy and his wife should be BANNED FOR EVER from that park.
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 My word that "Karen" needs to get knocked out. What a POS
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 A snowflake liberal a*shole....giving a guy in an electric bike a hard time!
Trump 2020 Smile
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 1111
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