Punishments for Cannabis, Cocaine & Other Recreational Drugs to be Reduced in 2021 WADA Code

Nov 27, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
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The World Anti Doping Agency's (WADA) revised Anti-Doping Code will include a new classification for recreational drugs that will carry a much smaller punishment than before.

From January 1 2021, substances such as cocaine, heroin, MDMA and cannabis will be classified as 'Substances of Abuse' as WADA recognizes they can be taken out-of-competition for reasons unrelated to sports performance. These drugs currently carry a four-year ban but if an athlete can prove that their use occurred out-of-competition and was unrelated to sports performance, their ban will now be reduced to three months with no need to further analyze the degree of fault.

The athlete's ban can be reduced by a further month if they are willing to undertake a treatment program that is approved by their national anti-doping body. If the drug is taken in-competition but the athlete can prove the use was unrelated to performance, a two-year ban will be handed out as the infringement will be considered non-intentional.

WADA has made these changes in the interest of athlete welfare. A spokesperson told Cycling Weekly, "It was felt that the use of these drugs was often unrelated to sport performance. It was felt also that in cases where an athlete has a drug problem and is not seeking or benefitting from performance enhancement, the priority should be on the athlete’s health rather than on imposing a lengthy sporting sanction.” WADA also said that it would rather spend time and money on more serious doping violations rather than substance abuse.

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The most high profile case in mountain biking involving one of these substances came from Gary Houseman, who won the Grouse Mountain round of the World Cup in 2003 but was later stripped of the win and fined 2,000 CHF after testing positive for THC. The full story was recently told by Mike Levy, here.

WADA has said it will consider adding more substances to the Substances of Abuse category in the future but started with those it felt were the highest priority.

Other changes to the 2021 WADA code include:

- Greater protection for Whistleblowers: Anti-Doping Organisations (ADOs) need people to come forward to report doping. This new rule gives these people more protection and applies if someone is threatened or intimidated in order to discourage them from reporting doping activity to authorities, or they are retaliated against for doing so.

- Reintorduciton of Aggravating Circumstances: A ban can be extended for two further years if an athlete is found to be abusing more than one substance.

- Results Management Agreement: A bit like pleading guilty in a court, a long ban can be reduced by a year if an athlete admits fault and accepts sanctions within 20 days.

- Recreational Athletes to be Treated Differently: Athletes who are below National or International level will be treated differently for sanctioning purposes.

Attempted Concealment and Tampering now Treated as Violations: The attempt to cover up doping or tampering with results by another person will now result in further sanctions.

The 2021 Code can be read in full, here.


254 Comments

  • 155 4
 Gonna be some REALLY good off-season parties this year!!
  • 74 11
 @DirtbagMatt : Username checks out
  • 5 1
 Party Time!
  • 6 0
 Since when weed improves your skills anyway ? ???? a Portuguese rider was banned due to that, which IMO makes no sense at all.. Time for these rules to be changed. Good one
  • 2 1
 @chriskneeland: so does yours, you serf.
  • 106 7
 All for pot not ruining an athletes livelihood given that it can help recovery And is proven nonharmful. But to me it seems like it should be in a separate punishment category to the harder stuff
  • 30 130
flag handynzl (Nov 27, 2020 at 9:36) (Below Threshold)
 If "pot" can help recovery, it is then by definition performance enhancing.
  • 83 3
 @handynzl: Like physiotherapy? Or surgery? Or a massage?
  • 52 2
 @handynzl: what about ibuprofen? Isn’t that “performance enhancing” by the same definition?
  • 30 0
 @handynzl: Epsom salt bath is then too?
  • 55 3
 @handynzl: By your logic they should ban protein and water as well.
  • 51 127
flag ilovedust (Nov 27, 2020 at 9:56) (Below Threshold)
 @awitt are you taking the piss?! Cannabis non harmful? You clearly don't work in any kind of medical, mental health or other frontline service.
Drug driving and associated deaths, serious mental health issues, onward addiction etc etc and thats before you get onto the human trafficking side of production. Its absolutely horrific.
Never kid yourself that cannabis is harmless.
(And yes I realise some of that applies to alcohol and fags too)
  • 51 2
 @awitt - why should pot be in any "punishment category" at all? Riding stoned doesn't make you any faster for sure....a friend of mine told me
  • 11 5
 @moerkster: Ehrm... rider safety perhaps?
  • 33 64
flag nurseben (Nov 27, 2020 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 @ilovedust: tiz the truth, I’m a psychiatric provider, MJ is no better than alcohol, and alcohol is a huge problem.

Alcohol related dementia
MJ induced psychosis
Alcohol related depression
MJ induces mood disorder
Alcohol related crimes like sexual assault, assault with deadly weapons, impaired driving
Cyclical vomiting related to excessive MJ use.

Honestly, I recommend sobriety, even a casual night of partying can have terrible consequences: blackouts = brain injury

But hey, it’s your body, I’m just educating folks.

I saw a lady the other day, 65yo, severe dementia, no family of dementia, no health problems, only reason for dementia was she had been an alcoholic.

Of course you all know about tobacco....
  • 41 1
 @ilovedust: Took me a second to realize you guys have a different term for "cigarettes" on that side of the pond.
  • 11 0
 @moerkster: if only the punishments could be as recreational as the substances--I like a little WADA in my MDMA
  • 12 1
 @ilovedust: what kind of "dust" do you love?
  • 5 47
flag nurseben (Nov 27, 2020 at 10:36) (Below Threshold)
 @ceecee: if you had been raped, you might think differently ...
  • 27 6
 @ilovedust: There will always be people who abuse anything. The person with mental issues who smokes weed had mental issues before, not because of. Thanks for telling me what I should put in my body. Should I tell you how to live your life?
  • 40 1
 @ilovedust: human trafficking side of production? You smoking some Epstein strain of weed over there??
If you legalize it, people can grow it locally. The demand for import drops and it no longer comes from South of the border, (East in your case?) not to mention you get better weed and it costs less...
  • 5 7
 THC should be in a separate category because it is actually performance enhancing as a broncho/vasodilator; the others are just party enhancing
  • 4 3
 Why should it be banned at all? It’s only get legal in more places
  • 20 19
 I believe it's harmful, so I'll probably get neg-propped like anyone with a similar viewpoint.
I think it does depend on where you live. Here in the uk there is an issue with slavery - illegal immigrants will be used to farm cannabis plantations and the like. Its probably a small portion of cannabis production but it's still an amount of abuse directly linked to it. Elsewhere in the world, particularly anywhere it's been legalised, that's probably less of the case and a good argument to legalise.
I also believe that modern strands with very high levels of thc are more harm causing. You've only got to look at Mamba / Spice, which is a very powerful synthetic cannabis, to see that. Again, regulation may help prevent that by preventing the most powerful types?
Each individual can make their own choice and I won't critisise them. Is it on the same scale as heroine or coke - of course not. Is it worse than alcohol? Maybe, or maybe not! However, to argue that it isn't harmful is similar to arguing the same about alcohol - yes it is harmful, but many will use with a level of moderation that means that the effect is minimal.
  • 11 2
 @ilovedust: Huh? It's not harmless, even if simply due to sucking anything into your lungs that you can avoid is always better. I don't use the stuff, nor do I drink regularly either, but from everything I've read, THC has little evidence (real science) for some of the things you're claiming. Yes, that is a bit different for people under 17 with still developing brains. But for adults? Feel free to post some peer reviewed and published science, I'm always eager to learn.
  • 32 1
 @slimboyjim: In BC, weed is indeed legal. But over here, Illegal immigrants can be linked to jobs such as picking berries and crops. Are we supposed to ban berries and crops, because the facilities employ illegal immigrants? The issue really has nothing to do with Cannabis as a substance, but how your government deals with immigration and it's work force.

Remember to keep this article in context. It's about what should be banned from competition. Drinking too much water can kill you, so should that also be on the list?
  • 1 0
 @OldScratchJohnson: Unless I missed it, he didn't actually tell you anything of the sort. Did he? I did just take issue with some of the things he claimed, and asked for legitimate back up. But he didn't even hint at telling people what they should and shouldn't use.
  • 4 1
 @mammal: Fair point - I know that the slavery side isn't exactly confined to cannabis production! I was only commenting on it as the thread has started with a statement that cannabis was 'proven non-harmful', which was challenged and the thread kind of went off on a tangent from there, and as mountainyj said the human trafficking side didn't exist...
Like I said, people can do what they want (within reason). Personally I think it is a harmful as alcohol, and that legalisation would potentially solve a lot of the negative aspects. In relation to whether recreational drugs should be able to destroy an athletes career I think it's overly harsh.
  • 1 0
 @ilovedust: do you happen to have any connection to the bad-ass design studio in the UK of the same name?
  • 7 25
flag likeittacky (Nov 27, 2020 at 12:39) (Below Threshold)
 Agree with the first part but you are wrong about it being nonharmful. Multitudes of people have lost jobs from laziness or lack of attention to details for a specific job roll; spending all their money for the next bag, suffer from a chemical imbalance from THC causing bouts of extreme paranoia, rage, and deceit; an unwillingness to become independent thus mooching of parents and friends, stealing for the next joint, lung infections and cancer (yes cancer) accelerating aging and altering the vibrancy of skin tone from high amounts of THC in the epidermis discoloring the hair follicle; the list goes on and on and on but its not what you will believe or expect of the facts, rather concluding only based on what is being indoctrinated and of personal experiences.
  • 29 2
 @likeittacky: Wow, that's straight from Reefer Madness.
  • 2 1
 @Chuckolicious: Subtle difference. If I say Chuck is a stupid name or, your name is stupid. Isn't that basically saying the same thing?
  • 7 1
 @nurseben: if you had a sense of humour you might think differently
  • 1 0
 @mixmastamikal: ban CELL-TECH. MAX GAINS!
  • 24 0
 @nurseben @ilovedust ... Wow this comment reply section has spiraled. As another mental health professional here, sure there is lots of discussion to be had on the mental health implications of pot use, however, in the context of this article, are people using pot to cheat in sport? I doubt it. I mean maybe... but I really do doubt it. The article is not about whether we draw an imaginary line in the sand saying the drug is either %100 percent harmless or the devils semen with the capacity to murder souls and enslave nations. I appreciate that they are starting to break down the different substances, in fact, further to that, one of the biggest challenges I see in the use of various substances in youth is that there is this umbrella "drug use" label placed over the a whole slew of chemicals that have hugely different effects on the body. Pot does something very different to alcohol, cocaine, Lance Armstrong's blood, EPO- HGH- Diuretics' (see also Lance Armstrong's Blood)... and healthy harm reduction means informed usage and not some moral line in the sand. Pot is likely not going to make you perform better in a race (though if it is found it could then sure it should be regulated) and just like the UCI shouldn't tell me who to date, what music to listen to, or worry that I might get a VD from attending a Juggalo convention...it should also stay out of substances that aren't specifically related to sport performance IMO as a non pot-using mental health clinician and grad student.
  • 22 2
 @likeittacky: I have been smoking cannabis for 20+ years and people never believe that I'm already 41 years old. I'm fit and strong and no way near lazy. In my history of employments I have always been praised for my attention to detail and thoroughness. The rage I possess I was born with and it started long before my first joint. You see, there is always another truth out there.
  • 2 0
 @alkalifly: Isn't the current advice that ibuprofen hinders recovery?
  • 1 9
flag likeittacky (Nov 27, 2020 at 14:28) (Below Threshold)
 @emponix: I would expect this response from a Sweed. Pun intended!
  • 1 0
 @snl1200: Woo WOOOO! :-D
  • 3 0
 @OldScratchJohnson: Not really. You chose the conclusion based on your own internal narrative, not based on what he actually said. That's a big problem these days. People instantly choose their internal narrative and it instantly becomes fact to them. If he now responds and says something to the effect of: hey mate, I never said that. I just was warning against the negatives I know of and seem to be being overlooked here. How would you respond? Like if I tell you wearing a half shell helmet at the bike park is rife with danger and this is all the bad shit that could happen to your face and head and don't ever kid yourself that it's not a big deal. I'm not telling you not to wear a half shell, or to wear a full face. I'm just good looking out, yo. It's called "The charity principle". Much better lens through which to view the world, IMHO. (Yea, ya bastard, I'm telling YOU what lens to use!) :-D
  • 5 8
 @handynzl: Pot does not enhance recovery, unless you count getting the munchies and eating 4000 calories recovery. There’s nothing wrong with pot, it’s good that it will at some point be 50-state legal, but aside from benefits in extreme illness like cancer or HIV, It’s no more healthy for you than alcohol when taken in moderation. Let’s all just enjoy it for what it is and stop making up all these health benefits.
  • 11 0
 @slimboyjim: the difference between alcohol and weed is only one of them is a literal poison
  • 1 2
 @ awitt -Username does not check out.
Sorry bro, better luck next time.
  • 1 1
 Oups, meant for handynzl. Please just ignore!
  • 5 4
 @emponix: I’m 42 and I was lazy WAY before I ever started smoking!!! I still wait till the evening to do it though. . .

I also know a ton of badass (in work and play) who smoke weed.

If you want to learn about high performers who smoke weed (and you at slightly open minded) then you should listen to Joe Rogan.
  • 6 9
 Yeah, and Marlboros used to "open the lungs" before a ride...seriously, are you THAT stupid? ANY smoke IS a carcinogen. it boggles my mind how many idiots at the trails are smoking mid-ride and wonder why it is they are out of breath and crashing into things....(note: I never ever ride with them after the smoke or beers, simply, too hectic waiting for ambulances and opening gates on the service roads....as we did just this week...and many other times this year). In the past six weeks there have been five ambulances taking out folks (that I have seen directly) - in every instance but one some intoxicant was being used.
  • 14 3
 @JustAnotherRiderHere: do some research and you’ll find that there is no link to smoking cannabis and cancer. In fact, the research suggests otherwise.

The only harmful part of marijuana is that it’s illegal. Putting people in jail for minor drug offenses, is more harmful than the drug. Fact.

Just look at all the states in the us that have legalized it. No increase in crazy people, no sudden pileups on every highway, no anything bad really to speak of aside from a kid getting into a parents edible stash here and there.

Just a lot of people more relaxed, in less pain, and growing their own cannabis. It’s legal in Vermont now and everything is still exactly the same except I can talk about it openly and grow my two plants at a time and not worry about being bothered or a not getting a job because it shows up on a drug test etc.

For every anecdote about someone with a mood disorder from smoking there is actual proof of it helping people with mental illness. People like me. People like my dad suffering from colon cancer. People like my best friend suffering from ocd. It helps people, stop being an old miserable piece of crap.
  • 7 0
 @ilovedust: worked at a level 2 trauma hospital in the nursing float pool. Made it to my 2nd year and quit drinking alcohol and started smoking cannabis. I will say cannabis is not for everyone especially with certain mental health issues. But other then that, medically it's pretty much harmless
  • 5 0
 @slimboyjim: Wow that sounds crazy to me. I feel like it’s pretty obvious that alcohol is much more potentially harmful than cannabis. Especially edibles or non-combustion.. no proven health issues that I’m aware of.
  • 5 3
 @SlodownU: Alcohol is man made and basically you have to make it go bad/rot before it turns into alcohol. Pot is a natural weed that you just need to dry when ready. Drinking too much leads to many different illnesses and can cause severe alcohol poisoning, but you cannot OD by smoking too much pot. After a couple of joints you do not really get any higher by smoking more. The more you drink, the drunker you get till oblivion. When too drunk, you cannot do anything, let alone even communicate with anyone.

For example, put 10 people in a room with 10 bottles of hard stuff and 10 other people in another room with 10 bags of weed. After a few hrs, in the booze room people are not making any sense, loudly arguing with each other, yelling, maybe even pushing each other and even combative, as alcohol can heighten testosterone, bad moods, etc . In the green room (pot), everyone is telling jokes, vegging, having a good time, etc. If you are pissed off and drink, it will probably make it worst. If you are pissed off and smoke a joint, most people will feel much better, relaxed and calm down.

Besides this, the positive benefits of the marijuana plant are many. Besides studies, I know a few people including myself that our blood count (PSA levels) went down much lower taking "only" CBD oil before our cancer treatments started. This really benefitted me as I was misdiagnosed for a long time and the cancer got much worst and cancer got another stage further until I started taking CBD oil and then things finally took a positive turn.

Many of us have heard that CBD has many good positives but even THC, the major active component of marijuana, has anti-cancer properties. This compound is known to act through a specific family of cell receptors called cannabinoid receptors. Smoking marijuana can help with nausea and vomiting, inflammation, etc and I can attest to helping me with all that. I have stomach issues and have problem taking any man made chemicals (even over the counter medicine), but marijuana helps me eat and at least maintain my weight after the cancer (was very sick weighing only 126lbs at 5"11"). Pot even helps with my nerve and bone pain from all the radiation directed at my pelvic/groin area.

I've heard one glass of red wine can be good for you, but alcohol does not have any other benefits especially if you drink too much. Pot has so many benefits that we are still finding out and can never be compared to alcohol...Simply put, I don't think I would still be here without it.
  • 4 0
 @Chuckolicious: you do of course realize that the reason for a lack of "scientific" studies, articles, research, etc, is due to the fact that while federally classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic, there has been essentially no funding going towards these research "thresholds" that you consider to be valid science. Right? So until we get that squared away, I suppose we should at least heed the words of those with real experience....
  • 3 2
 @unrooted: I'm a lifelong martial arts fan, grew up with Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee movies Smile I like Joe, He's a very talented man and has better kicks than some of the real fighters in the UFC. You don't get to that level without extreme attention to detail. I know this because I'm quite the kicker myself and I never went to any martial arts classes. Still I have better kicks than some of the kickboxers in my hometown who have been training at the club for years. I don't think a person exist on this planet, who can convince me that cannabis is bad for me.
  • 5 1
 @slimboyjim: you think cannabis is as harmful as alcohol? You’re going to have a hard time at defending that one. I don’t think they’re in the same Universe with respect to the physiological, behavioral, and psychological consequences. And, that is pretty airtight at this point.
  • 5 2
 @emptybe-er: Asbestos and Crude oil are 100% natural.........so is sunburn and tobacco.....
  • 3 0
 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Ha, ha that's funny. Yes, but sunburn is caused from way too much exposure and as many of us know, many things are only good for us in moderation. We do know some sunlight is actually good for us, as it elevates mood, improves sleep, promotes bone growth (Vitamin D), and even helps strengthen the immune system.

However, tobacco is not good for anyone period. It is not "au natural" as the final product has been changed by man. Mainly due to this, when burned, tobacco produces more than 7000 chemicals. At least 69 of these chemicals are known to cause cancer and many others are toxic, including arsenic (rat poison), carbon monoxide, solvents, incectisides, rocket fuel, toilet cleaner, paint stripper, ammonia, acetone, hydrogen cyanide, sulphur, lead, formaldehyde, etc

Yes, asbestos is a natural product which is mined from the ground. As ridiculous as it sounds some countries still use Asbestos which is so dangerous if inhaled (can cause lung cancer & mesothelioma). Although Canada banned asbestos finally in 2018, it can still be used legally here for some cases. Up until 2011, Canada was a major exporter of asbestos.

Hard to ignore crude oil though, as I guess you could say, where would we be w/o it?

None of these can be compared to all the benefits that natural weed can provide except sunlight which many cancer patients use to help in their recovery, etc.
  • 4 6
 @RowdyAirTime: you need to look at what you wrote and think about the hypocrisy inherent in your thought process.

Suggesting that one drug is worse than another because you don’t like it, doesn’t make either one worse or better.

And yes, anything, anything in excess can cause a problem including medications, drugs, and UV radiation.
  • 2 1
 @Ryanrobinson1984: I'll quantify my statement a bit. I think as a substance it is probably less harmful to an individual than alcohol (which is actually REALLY bad), but overall I would say it is on a par (here in the uk) because cannabis makes a lot of money for criminals (with society suffering for it as a result). As stated it's not exactly on the level of class A, but there is an impact, and whilst that is the case here (because of prohibition) it is not necessarily the case elsewhere.

I'll also add it depends on the cannabis itself - there's some potent stuff out there now (far more so than when I was younger). I'm a strong believer that moderation is a good thing and I get it that there's a significant majority of good and decent people out there who use without significant issue to their health (i.e. likely less of an issue than drinking every day). This obviously depends on the person and the substance, but from personal experience it still worries me a little. I'll counter that with the fact that many people have (anecdotal) stories of positive outcomes with cannabis use, so it's good that (with legalisation in some places in the world) more research should now take place and, hopefully, put an end to the arguments about harm, one way or the other! I do think that with legalisation / controls the public perception of cannabis would likely be significantly different.

Just to reiterate though, I'm very much of the opinion that people should be able to make their own decisions as to what is right or wrong for them (ignoring any arguments about capacity to make those decisions) as long as it doesn't cause a negative impact on others. i.e. Don't be a dick and let's be nice to each other! If anyone uses cannabis it doesn't bother me in the slightest - I just like the idea that people make informed decisions.
  • 2 0
 @nurseben: For years, alcohol was always the accepted thing and marijuana was completely frowned upon (days when a commercial with eggs frying in a pan was to be compared to smoking weed). Why alcohol and not pot became legal during prohibition is a huge story in itself with many stupid ignorant and selfish people with power had done back then. This even stopped the growing of hemp in the U.S. which has so many good uses. Now that many more people are starting to realize the many positive health benefits of the marijuana plant, I just wanted to point some of this out.

I am not suggesting pot is way better simply due to not liking alcohol. I used to drink and even in the best days, I can remember felling terrible the next morning after drinking the night before. If I drank now, I would feel sick for days. Smoking marijuana and taking CBD oil helps me feel better in so many ways, especially after my tough battle with cancer.

Due to being misdiagnosed for a long time and the doctors error on the surgery including all the screwups before during and after the cancer treatment, the one positive that helps me is pot (smoking it and taking CBD oil). I was so weak and nothing left of me (only 126lbs) it hurt to even sit and I could not even get up to do anything to help make me stronger again. When I 1st tried CBD oil, suddenly I was off my chair doing some light exercises and stretching within 1/2hr of trying it. This cannot be argued the difference it made for me.

Due to all the problems that occurred, they could not even finish my chemo after all the extensive radiation treatment. Taking CBD oil helps prevent the cancer from coming back, especially important since the cancer and my health problems prevented the doctors from finishing all the cancer treatment. Can alcohol do this, no. In fact I would be back in the hospital if I drank instead of using pot. Furthermore, I could not eat hardly anything at the hospital after surgery until I got home and smoked one and then felt better immediately and now finally able to put some of the weight back on.

I understand many doctors/nurses are not aware of the many benefits this plant has, but I can say for sure it is helped me a lot. I'm not sure why me mentioning this you consider hypocrisy inherent in my thought process? Maybe a bit strong for a comment?
  • 2 0
 Freedom!
Who makes the list of what is banned and what is not? The whole subject is open to constantly changing opinion and interpretation.
I say legalise everything in sport. There are many ways to improve performance. Training is one of them.
  • 3 0
 @jaame: making weed illegal is saying God* made a mistake.

(other deities are available)
  • 2 1
 @JustAnotherRiderHere:and all safe if used correctly, including cannabis. Asbestos is fine unless it’s friable and you inhale a bunch of it. I never said everything natural is safe, anyway. Plenty of natural stuff that is deadly, obviously. Too much water will kill you in a hurry.
  • 1 1
 @jaame: Simple....The tax man and morality, in that order.
  • 2 1
 @Dropthedebt: The best t-shirt I saw was a picture of Jesus holding a big sticky bud and a thumbs up with the other hand. The caption below said "Yeah, my Dad made this". Priceless. Besides beautiful women, this is another gift to mankind from God!
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Absolutely that may be your experience. Mine is exact opposite, state and National championships all seeking Pot as part of personal routine that includes high level competition and success. Calming, peacefulness, inner guidance.

Give a teen their first beer and they wak out loopy. However an experienced drinker no issue.

I would much rather work the next day with someone who had a joint at night than someone who had a six pack.

Thats fact jack, the results are already in the annuls of sporting history, just discrete.
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 @FoesKnows: Well said.
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 @nurseben: lol, the potheads on here don't like to hear the truth.
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 @OldScratchJohnson: "The person with mental issues who smokes weed had mental issues before, not because of." Not according to the fMRI scans I've seen. Brain function is degraded with pot use.
  • 2 0
 @JohanG: based on a false assumption they have no other environmental, genetic, or toxic factors right?
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 @JohanG: So based on the MRI data you've gathered, smoking weed significantly increases the likelihood of the user to develop what most people would consider "mental issues"? Let's be honest, we're not talking about a "weed hangover" or becoming a bit forgetful after a bit of a pot binge. I call BS on your conclusions.
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 @theemtnman: Now I just saw this. Dude, you are so addled you don't even realize what position I've taken. Holy crap, you've either fried your brain or were just mentally disabled to begin with. I was disputing several of his negative claims about THC, which science has upheld. And I never disputed the general lack of science due to its legal status. One more time: you're f*cking nuts, man.
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: I agree with pretty much everything you said there. You made some great points. Yes, everything in moderation.
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 @JohanG: can you please provide sources or data for brains being “degraded” with pot use?? What does that even mean? Gray matter volume reduction? Fewer neurons (you wouldn’t be able to tell that from fMRI anyway? Change in density?? Please back this up.
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 @Ryanrobinson1984: Does it really matter? I do know for a FACT that if you test + for THC I will fire you in an instant. If you can not pass a drug test you will not get a job to begin with (in most places). So, there you have it....if you have a complaint, bring it to the carriers of our Work Comp insurance.

I have interviewed about six or seven folks recently who said they can pass a drug test "cause they got the marijuana card"....laughable. I cant wait to see how the courts will create new regulations to arrest people for driving high (deservedly so, no different than alcohol).
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 @JohanG: In general, addicts have a hard time with reality.....I guess some folks just need a crutch. Mine, well, happens to have two wheels on it....I certainly do not need an escape mechanism from my escape mechanism.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: addicts? Lol. GTFOH...
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Drinking while under the influence of alcohol is definitely not the same as pot. The more you drink, the worst you become able to drive and each drink you have before stupidly getting behind the wheel adds to the chance of having a serious accident. The more you drink before driving the foggier your eyes get and you even start seeing double vision or worst, However with alcohol people think they can do stupid stuff and drive, plus even speed (liquid courage) when they can't even stand properly, let alone barely see where the road is.

Smoking a joint can actually help people concentrate and be more cautious, plus most people would not be speeding if getting behind the wheel after puffing. Also smoking pot before driving does not cause blurry vision problems (seeing double or more) compared to alcohol. The more you drink, the more drunk you get and each drink makes it worst to even think of getting behind the wheel. Once you are high, it does not matter how much more you smoke, as you can only get so high and each joint will not make it worst (except maybe on your lungs).

I am not saying to everyone go smoke a joint and then go for a drive, but in no way is smoking pot the same as drinking and driving, and I'm not sure how anyone can claim that they are the same? The problem with any testing is that marijuana can show up in your blood system for a very long time, whereas alcohol, and almost all hard drugs (man made chemicals) do not stay in the body long. The reason for this is our bodies try and get rid of too much alcohol and any of these harsh hard drugs in our system, as they are not good for us at all and will slowly kill you with too much. I worked with someone that used to do crystal meth and when he quit, his entire back turned to chemical boils (his body naturally trying to get rid of these man made toxic chemicals as quickly as possible). Never mind all the many positives marijuana have for people (fighting cancer, inflammation, stomach problems, anxiety, seizures, etc, etc)

The biggest problem is still people's misconception about marijuana being labelled with the rest of the drugs (man made hard chemical drugs) which are extremely bad for you.

I really question the procedures used to test for pot? Let me try and understand your reasoning? So someone who tests positive for marijuana due to smoking one small joint weeks earlier will not get a job, but someone who went on 4 big stupid drinking binges earlier in the week or someone who just did crack, crystal meth, etc just days earlier who does not test positive on one of these tainted tests will get the job? Can you honestly say this kind of reasoning makes sense?
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Sounds like a fun space you live in.

Again, definitive proof that riding on THC, for SOME riders makes them:
-faster
- more in controlled
-bronchio-dialated
- able to perform better in ALL disciplines

For those stating that the impact on performance and driving is the same as alcohol, GET OFF THE GRASS.

30 years of testing and still going.

Again - results are in the record books, they are of course discrete due to particular segments of society, backed by commercial benefit of some industries knee jerk reactions and self interest.

How about @PinkBike run a series of documented performance tests......in a jurisdiction so inclined.
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 @FoesKnows: this is a good idea. Mixmag once did an article where they had people driving on alcohol, E, coke and others. It was a good read.
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 @FoesKnows: All the sickest riders I know, some pro are total stoners! Just saying...
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 @jaame: I dont want novice sensationalist videos and reports. I want experienced users and consumers, familiar with their body and capability.
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 @FoesKnows: “I know how much I can take. I once took 12 E’s to see how mashed up I could get. It was the same as taking six.”
I’m all about novice sensationalist reports and videos - since experienced users would likely sound like my mate, above. We’re not exactly going to get a double blind study with a significant sample size looking at the effects of illegal drugs are we? If I was into taking illegal drugs, which I’m not, I wouldn’t be telling everyone and partaking in “studies” to prove that my substance of choice was not as bad as people think. On account of that, may as well have some fun coming up with findings.
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 @RowdyAirTime: In the end, it does not matter. In the US it is quite clear for employers - any member of staff under the influence of any substance (including RX) is not to be in the workplace, period. Yes, we test...before and during employment. So, those who want to go out and smoke...well, many jobs are simply not going to be available for them...more so, do not get hurt at work.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: you wouldn’t fire me because I’d be the most productive and proficient employee that you would have. Let’s not play that game.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: also, I hardly even smoke (once in a blue moon) but I have many close friends and colleagues do and they are hardly the derelicts that you seem to believe they would be. They are quite successful in the tech industry. Your line of thinking is hardly your fault but it is fraught with antiquated propaganda, in my view.
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 @Ryanrobinson1984: you fail to understand that as a business owner my insurance would require me to fire you.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: I understand your comments but this kind of reasoning is what holds back society and brings us back to the stone age when everyone was told that weed was so bad for us and now all findings say differently. We should be trying to move forward instead of backwards. As I said earlier, the problem with testing is drunks and hard addicts can pass these tests much more easily, even just days later, but someone that only smoked a joint weeks earlier will probably not pass this kind of test that does not tell the real story. Let's see, the drunk and drug addict that you hired will probably not even make it into work the 2nd day after being hired but the other guy that only puffs once in a while who would come to work everyday and work hard did not get the job because of this stupid test? Furthermore, someone who does some CBD oil to fight off cancer, inflammation, seizures, etc also cannot work for you but drunks and hard drug addicts can, since they will probably pass this test?

Otherwards, let's hire some drug addicts (pcp, meth, coke, etc) and people with major drinking problems, but don't hire that guy who only smokes a joint once in while. Again this kind of old school does not make an sense, especially nowadays???

In fact, even the NBA just suspended their random testing for marijuana due to it's medicinal qualities and to help fight inflammation and pain. Both the NBA and NFL are considering changing their policy on testing for marijuana. Here's the link: news.abs-cbn.com/sports/12/06/20/nba-suspends-marijuana-testing-for-2020-21
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: I agree, don't get hurt at work if you smoke weed at all due to these stupid tests that are not accurate. Again, the problem with this is someone can smoke a joint weeks earlier and oh no, the test showed some traces, fire that guy and no insurance is covered due to your injury under the influence of pot. However, if a hard drug addict or major drunk gets hurt at work and probably passes the test (as hard drugs and alcohol leave the body much sooner than weed), that's ok? Needless to say, this testing needs to be changed...
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 @RowdyAirTime: it does not matter what anybody thinks. The fact remains if there is a workplace incident or Worse an incident in a company vehicle and drugs are found in the system of the employee it gets very very expensive for the business owner. So, zero tolerance.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: I understand exactly what you are saying, but somehow this needs to be changed and reflected in today's time.
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 @RowdyAirTime: In the knowledge that one might not get employed because of traces of a substance, it might be prudent to ensure there are no traces of said substance. Maybe switch to coke or meth? At least then one will not be at the mercy of the drug testing.
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 @pocketsandcollector: So true. The positive health benefits of marijuana (a natural plant given by God to help mankind) are endless, and I think we all know about what "liquid courage" does to you. Just ask yourself in the morning...

Furthermore, if you are upset, mad and pissed off, go out drinking and alcohol just makes it worst (heightens the mood) and now you are a mad drunk all pissed off and ready to fight. Put 2 enemies/adversary's next to each other with a bottle of hard stuff each, and see what happens? You now have a fight and or maybe a war if do this with a bunch of guys or enemies. Even if not enemies, it can still easily escalate to major tension, yelling or much worst. People can easily lose jobs and even lose their families if you drink too much. Hard drugs are even much worst and you will never hold a job or have a family. Besides alcohol, hard drugs can also make people want to hurt others badly.

I don't know of too many times that you hear people beating each other up after smoking a joint...lol. In fact, if you are mad, upset or really pissed off and smoke a joint, 10 min later you feel better and say it's all good, no worries. I can't think I've heard of anyone going on a killing spree after smoking some weed? What do you think was in that peace pipe when the Pilgrims and Natives sat down and had the 1st Thanksgiving dinner. They were killing each other the day before and now all of a sudden they get along (I don't think it was due to the Turkey dinner...lol).

The quicker people realize this and don't stupidly still think alcohol is good for you and weed is not because that's what we were told years ago (that's another story why they legalized alcohol and not marijuana during prohibition), the better off we will be. Think what pot could have done to stop so many wars (ok everyone stop fighting, take a break and let's smoke one....,and suddenly everyone now get's along....)
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 @jaame: Ha, ha...lol.
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 @RowdyAirTime: I’m not arguing with all your points but what is the origin of the word hashish?
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 @jaame: it's derived from the Latin nonquaerere, 'I can't do a websearch'
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 @jaame: You mean when the Scythian warrior assasins not only used hash for medicine but also to relax and try and forget about another hard day of killing? Regardless of your religion, killing and pillaging your neigbour back in those days was very popular....Good thing they didn't consume alcohol to try and calm down, or there may have been nobody left to tell any of these stories...lol
  • 49 2
 Ratboy back to race? Wink
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 Well, technically he can do one race every 3 months...
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 But only in the E category. Nice one, top one, sorted geez.
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 came here for this comment!
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 Doesn't this prove the point. If we have uncorroborated reports of capable top level cycling performance, skills and videos, race results etc, and they have been consuming THC - blows all the uninformed commentary about TCH and consumption out of water.
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 They lie about marijuana. They tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do just as well — you just realize that it's not worth the effort. There is a difference.
Bill Hicks
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 Attn: all of Oregon
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 LOL!! PDX represent!
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 This calls for some cubensis azurescens
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 Oh sorry, i took my team mates bottle...
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 Or bong, for that matter...
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 @fiatpolski: I drank my team mates bong water. Oops.
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 can we now give a heads up and a SRO to Rob Rebagliati please he was unjustly demonized
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 @OldScratchJohnson: ya i saw that too late to correct
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 I agree, it was just plain stupid how they tried to take away Ross Rebagliati's well earned Gold medal. Actually they should have given Ross an extra medal for just making it down the mountain...lol. Imagine how fast he would have been if he had not innocently inhaled some marijuana smoke floating around in the air when at that party before the Olympics...

The biggest problem is marijuana can stay in your body for a very long time whereas many hard drugs don't. This is maybe due to our bodies trying to get rid of the hard drugs as fast as possible as man made chemicals (hard drugs) are clearly not good for anyone and will slowly kill us. God's gift to mankind (weed) has so many positives (and finally the uninformed are starting to realize this) and our bodies like it, so maybe reason marijuana stays in our bodies so long. I smoke it and use CBD oil daily to alleviate a lot of pain and to keep the cancer from coming back. Am I faster on my bike, probably not, so athletes should not be penalized if any marijuana is found in their system, especially when they could have been exposed or used some many weeks even before the competition. Due to this, any drug testing is not accurate!
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 I sold a UCI rider MDMA in whistler once
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 I understand the role of WADA, but that the organization lumps stimulants, narcotics and what is cannabis(a euphoric?) into the same group. Good on them for reducing the penalties, but I feel that all these drugs have different habit patterns and should be treated differently, not to mention the legal status of cannabis in many places now, and what about caffeine and sugar? Its all politically arbitrary.
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 Or just treat all recreational drugs equally for what they are to the sport: Maybe not performance enhancing, but certainly a health risk, potential race safety risk and definetly not good marketing for the sport and its sponsors. Being a good example for kids would also be nice. My message would be: If you are a professional athlete, don't use anything. If have no problem if they punish for that and this lowering of punishments surprises me. If you do not have a racing license, just use what you want and be nice to people ;-).
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 @jeroenk: Are you putting cannabis in this widespread ban for pros? You think someone should be banned for eating an edible for whatever reason, be it a medical reason or recreation? I wonder what your take is on jail time for cannabis?
Drugs for the most part don't vibe well for me but I know plenty of people that partake in cannabis and they are all respectable, hard working humans and the ones that have kids are also great parents. No reason that kids need to know they took an edible a week before race day, it's really none of mine or anyone's business because it has zero effect on us nor does it have any "race safety or health risks".
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 @zarban: My take on jail time for cannabis? I live in the Netherlands, what do you think? :-D I think I have a pretty liberal perspective on this subject compared to most.

I really have no problem with people taking mild drugs. I just think for pro athletes, you have to draw a clear line. Just ban everything that could be performance enhancing or dangerous, apart from stuff that is considered part of normal nutrition.
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 WEED IS LEGAL. In Canada, Spain, Amsterdam and numerous American states. It also is not a performance enhancing drug, quite the opposite. It is insane (and quite beyond WADA's mandate) that they are testing for THC, much less banning people for it. They might as well ban people for consuming gluten.
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 I don't think it's the legality of the drugs that's in question here, more the performance enhancing effects of said drug. For example, cortisone is legal but it's a banned substance because it's performance enhancing. I do agree with your sentiment though, seems nonsensical to me to penalise someone for what is a legal to use substance in parts of the world.
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 @Blackers: how is thc a performance enhancing substance? Its not like creatine or EPO.
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 I smoke meth
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 oh sorry i used teammate syringe.
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 Now I can turn pro, no more excuses...
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 If anyone can win a race while stoned they deserve an award, not a punishment. I dont know about anyone else but my reactions drop to the point I'm a liability.
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 It's really interesting seeing the different perspectives from around the world on this. I suppose since these standards are applied internationally that I can somewhat see the argument that there is a punishment for cannabis, but it still doesn't make much sense to me. Cannabis use is increasingly being regulated similar to alcohol (Canada, USA), and it since it's not performance enhancing then it seems like an unnecessary penalty. I'd say that MDMA is also not performance enhancing. What is the intent here? Fair competition? Or upholding moral standards for athletes that are role models for kids?
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 We can get past that by just not testing them. If you must test them, don’t tell anyone the results. No media, no social media, when no one knows no one cares.
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 anyone else thing its absurd that you can drink shitloads of caffiene (a stimulant thats a clear performance enhancer) but can't smoke cannabis?
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 That's down to the Billions of dollars "Big Caffeine" spends on lobbying Governments and pushing their products on an unsuspecting public. If you only knew the power of a Dark Roast.
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 @Dropthedebt: its all the government mannnnn
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 What I wanna know is who the hell wants to ride their bike after smoking weed?
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 @gus6464: A lot of fools can handle that just fine. Just like those can can blaze constantly and function in society. I am not counted amongst those types. Aw hell no.....
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 There is a caffeine limit though. I don't remember what it is, but you can fail a test for having excess. Good news is, drinking plenty of coffee isn't enough to fail. But I think it was targeted more for coaches filling kids up before a race. I don't remember as I don't consume much so I don't worry about it.
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 How the F is weed gonna make someone MORE competitive??? Tell me what I'm missing?
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 Cannabis is not a drug is a plant, but if you smoke it you know the rest. You get sleepy, hungry and happy. Smoke a joint and you will see how you ride, the same, maybe less aware of some danger but that is only in the beginning, you get real high, but I ride with people who smoke a lot and they are in control, I'm in control of what I'm doing just relax is only Mary Jane in the house. The rest of the poison you mention, yup get rid of it all. Comon, I see everybody slaming beers all the time and then ride next, they are all so under the influence, it's just beer right, but still I get some drunk masters doing some bad moves on the tracks, as long you know your limits and respect others I think everybody can have a great time doing what they like which is ridding.
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 Cocaine and heroin are from a plant too.
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 In other news Snoop Dog is starting a professional cycling team in 2021.
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 Will an XL even fit Snoop Dog, as those are some damn long legs? Maybe they will make him a new bike called the Snoop Dog Trail XTR. I would expect the geometry will be very relaxed and lot's of stash boxes built into the frame...
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 Ahahaha when I was younger I'd ridden on pretty much all of the above mentioned substances, plus some more.

Performance enhancing? f*ck no, though riding on opiates can make you ride for longer and harder albeit in a relaxed manner, but your judgement is impaired.

Cocaine is like putting your foot down on the gas until you either crash, or literally run out of puff, or both.
LSD, you might ride about 10 metres before you think your bike is talking to you and changing colour haha...
Weed, got the munchies pretty quickly, judgement also impaired but pretty buzzy at the same time.
Riding drunk, avoid. Not recommended. Will ride into the back of a parked car/phonebox/bus stop etc.

Nowadays, coffee, coffee and protein bars.
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 I love cocaine
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 I only love the smell of it.
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 It’s a hell of a drug and it’s hella dangerous!
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 @cartwright22: that pungent, overwhelming diesel smell is nostalgic for me
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 @onlyDH:
Now were cooking with GAS
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 When it burns, it tastes amazing. One of the very best flavors I've tried. Of course, I was only a chipper, having seen all the hard drugs destroy many friends. People are currently still dying right and left. If you read that 'The cause of death was not disclosed" - it was Fentanyl. Shit is evil incarnate. RIP ALL.
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 In harm reduction, the severity of the punishment is not the message. Therefore a reduction in punishment is not a sign that the transgression is not now 'not as bad'. The equivalence of two different punishments (e.g. for weed and heroin) is not a sign that two transgressions are 'equally as bad'. In harm reduction the punishments are chosen in order to maximize the chance of a good, healthy outcome for the transgressor and their community. If you want to know if pot and heroin are actually the same you can find that information plenty of other places.
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 They should make everyone get equally baked before competing
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 Any athlete that manages to win ANYTHING baked should automatically be rewarded two medals. Being relaxed, happy and extremely hungry doesn't really provide any competitive edge.
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 Should definitely only be punishments for PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drugs. Not recreational drugs that make you want to eat burgers and random snacks.
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 As a general rule of thumb you should avoid opiates in all forms. That shit will just ruin your life.
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 The Truth. Except for the sap of poppies you grow and slit and collect yourself. It's tough to go too hard that way.
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 *Laughs in American prescription drug dependency*
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 I think Cocaine could be a PED, just ask Jon Bones Jones. Everything else would be post-ride recovery.
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 Those elbows were cocaine fueled ????
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 It's called the Devil's Dandruff for a reason.
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 Alternate caption for the first photo: "The first two yogurt covered raisins is free, kid"
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 "No... That's Vicodin coated Vicodin."

Sarah Lynn Himmelfarb (1984-2016)
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 “Taken for reason unrelated to sports performance”
This explains why my weekend coke binges haven’t yield any results.
I guess I’ll try heroine next.
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 Demonizing drug use when most of the Old Guard were rippin Mt. Swansea on LSD.
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 not sure if I'd group cocaine and heroin with weed but like, good for them either way? The fact that marijuana is straight up legal in so many places now makes me a bit confused that there's still any penalty for it, but I guess this is better than nothing?
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 I get the penalty for performance enhancing drugs but recreational drugs don't make you faster, if anything they slow you down. Why is there a penalty for this? If this is a legality issue because they are deemed "drugs" then WADA shouldn't be the governing body responsible for enforcement. It should be your local law enforcement.
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 Poeple should be able to smoke as much cannbis flower As possible. Why the fuck would this rules be in place, why aint the top riders rioting over this shit Fuck who ever is behind that
  • 1 0
 Remeber when WADA destroyed James Stewart's career over paperwork (they allowed him to take the same drug and dosage when he returned that he was banned for)? I hate WADA. Tons of stories of incompetence and penalties that make no sense.
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 There was a rugby player a few years back that had a prescription for salbutamol and played internationally, I forget which country he played for. Anyway his paperwork expired and he tested positive for salbutamol and got banned. Like, he was allowed it and then he wasn’t. As if asthma just goes away. He didn’t have the paperwork so he therefore no longer needed the asthma medication. Just retarded.
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 Now I can finally go pro!
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 What if the MDMA IS the treatment?
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 1 month of rehab for smoking pot?? Holy crap that’s insane. I j-walked today as well why not make it 2 months!!?
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 No mention of mushrooms, so mushrooms are okay right, better get out onto those Welsh slopes. Molly, Mandy and Charlie will have to wait at the bottom.
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 How cannabis is jumbled in with cocaine and heroin is, as in the United States, completely baffling and not remotely evidence-based.
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 Since when do we care about evidence in America?
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 Breaking news !!!!! Josh bryceland is coming out of retirement.
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 So many comebacks next year
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 Cannabis makes you speedy
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 Sorry but if I have a cocaine habit I lose my fucking job.
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 Change jobs dude.
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 @Dropthedebt:
Blue collar jobs = drug testing after the company party
White collar jobs = testing drugs at the company party
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 @JSTootell: eloquently put Sir. Beer
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 @Dropthedebt: I am wearing blue Frown
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 @JSTootell:
I wore Blue, I wore White... then decided to tread my own path. I do reprimand myself sometimes though. Not everyday can be a fun day.
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 @Dropthedebt: Union pension, vacation, and not having to give a shit about work once I clock out (no mandatory OT either). I get less money compared to being my own boss, being white collar, or working other jobs. But worth the trade off for me as my life is insanely low stress.
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 What shoud that? Classifications for different substances! Where does it start, where does it end? I mean - all or nothing, inclusive alcohol.
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 I see this a commercial,not as do not do it

I did not know about all of them existing until you told me today, thanks

95% of people and more are not even close to competing events mentioned above why would we care about these rules?
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 Oh, Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy and alcohol

Cocaine, cocaine
Cocaine, oh
Cocaine
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 So no more tainted meat or shot of vitamin excuse?
  • 1 0
 Who do I have to sell these drugs too to get another Field test video released?
  • 2 0
 give gary houseman back his WC DH win back!!
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 I don't think a joint before the race helps a lot Big Grin

...but after...
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 Give Gary his gold back!
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 Houseman was burglarized!
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 *reaches for the angel dust*
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 If you are an adult you chose your poison but you have to live with the consequences of your choices.
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 From now on I just assume all the top Pros are doped and these bike manufacturers are ok with it!
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 Let the party continue.
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 Do
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 F**k yeah!
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 #Giverossbackhismedal!

Sorry wrong sport.
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 Can't wait for a sniff in between 4X motos
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 Hell yeah
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 It's about f*cking time!!!!!!
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 A lot of people going to be Ross Regbliatying up the podiums next year... Pot is a proven performance enhancing drug, cocaine, yeap, etc etc Kind of a dumb liberal way of approaching the ever present cheating in pro sports.
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 THC is a "proven performance enhancing drug"? I've found some preliminary science to the contrary, but if you've got some links, I'd be interested to check them out.
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 @Chuckolicious: this f*ckin guy. All about his "preliminary science" yet has no real world basis for opinion. I've actually lived what you claim to understand. My riding buddies call it my "weed legs" when I drop them on climbs after a quick toke. If a drug (ibuprofen, aspirin, Advil, steroid injection if your a pro athlete, etc, etc) can help you perform through discomfort why in the world can you not believe that a natural herb can help you perform through discomfort? Please show me your science.
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 @Chuckolicious: I personally would rather ingest something made of this earth before I trust something concocted in a lab. You really think that drug companies have your personal health as their top priority? It's not, profits are their priority. Weed however, has no agenda, unlike yourself apparently.
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 @theemtnman: Jesus man, WTF is wrong with you? I was genuinely curious. Talk about upholding the "paranoid" claims connected to over use... :-/
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 @theemtnman: Holy good crap, you are literally insane.
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 I think I did too much air last nite
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 Sports are better with PEDS, fact
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 Maybe get a test for autologous transfusions first then worry about weed?
  • 1 0
 Give JD all of his medals back
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 i.ve always wonder how fast a drug crazed rider would be !!!!
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 I guess I'm somewhat ok with smoking weed not being a reason why athlete's careers should be ended. But normalization of those other, more dangerous drugs is completely unacceptable. That shit has to stop.
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flag nurseben (Nov 27, 2020 at 10:26) (Below Threshold)
 We are gradually becoming desensitized, just look at your willingness to accept alcohol and pot; both of which were illegal in the not too distant past.

It’ll ultimately be left to the individual to decide on their substance abuse, as all drugs are ultimately decriminalized, do expect more DUIs, more homicide/suicide, and more health related problems
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 I’m not sure research backs up the assertion that MDMA is a “dangerous drug”.
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 @nurseben: do you think pedantry is an obsessional disorder, Doctor? Criminalized or no, I do expect more
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 @nurseben: pot was always illegal for the wrong reasons. Alcohol? Has been part of almost every culture for thousands of years.
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flag mtbikeaddict (Nov 27, 2020 at 11:12) (Below Threshold)
 @colincolin: So has murder. Your point?
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 @mtbikeaddict: Murder harms others. Drugs harm the user just like fast food and backflips. Should we ban them too?
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 @colincolin: fast food is murder! Drive-thru/by. Probably we shoud just ban everything--then there'd be some murder
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 @nurseben: no expectation that when they are legal(ish), the crazy binge-y (ab)use will decrease? If you can get a hit anytime, most people are more likely to take a little and chill in the comfort of their own home, instead of getting completely wrecked at some strange place, because they don't want to "waste" the chance or risk keeping illegal things around.

Even without that potential reduction in acute abuses, homicides from cannabis-induced psychosis or similar could be vastly outweighed by a reduction in homicides related to illicit sales and distribution (cartels and gangs murder lots of people)
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 @just6979: he's terminal. Stop making sense

@zede: 'what should we tell ecstasy users?'--variety is the spice of life

@kit-nz: one thing we know for sure is dangerous: mountain biking
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 @nurseben: Err, careful with those pesky facts. Alcohol illegal in the not too distant past? So when did prohibition end, and how long did it last to begin with? Look, I agree that alcohol is a f*cking scourge upon humanity, but if you start getting basic facts wrong, nobody will listen to you even for the ones you get right.
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 @kit-nz: Well, from what I've read, there's enough preliminary science to make me suspect the cumulative damage to receptors is a real thing. Enough that I have no interest in f*cking around with it.
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 @zede: I’m not “spreading” anything. I simply stated the research doesn’t necessarily back up the claim that the OP made lumping MDMA in with barbiturates and amphetamines.

The study you link to is from 2000, everything I’ve found from the mid-2000 on indicates the RELATIVE harm of MDMA is very low. Link below is from last year and based on the UK Govt research from 2010.

Is there SOME harm, including the possibility of long term psychological side effects from MDMA use? Research says, probably. Is it likely, across all areas of health, to be less impactful than most other drugs (including tobacco and alcohol), probably. Should you take MDMA? Your choice.

psychscenehub.com/staging/video/illegal-drugs-analysis-harms-prof-david-nutt
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 @Chuckolicious: fair enough! And good on you for looking into it. I don’t partake either, I’m more of a psilocybin guy Smile
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 @Chuckolicious: I'll give you cheap alcohol being a scourge upon humanity
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 @BenTheSwabian: It's not going to stop. The entire USA will legalize most drugs for recreational use in the next decade. Look to Colorado and Oregon. The draconian drug laws have done nothing but fatten up the owners of the for-profit prison system and fed the cartels who in turn cause hundreds of thousands of murders and deaths with their turf battles and home made (from Chinese precursors) Fenty.We are finally beginning to see reform. I'm bummed I sold all my cannabis stocks at the last peak - shit is going to soar.
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 @colincolin: it’s been part of human culture for a long time, but it’s the ease of access made possible by industry and marketing that has made it so prevalent and so over consumed.

Don’t fool yourself, saying something had always been this way is not a justification for keeping things the same, nor is it an excuse for doing something wrong.
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 @nurseben: big ben likes clockwork
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 "It was felt that the use of these drugs was often unrelated to sport performance" oh yah I totally think it does nothing for preformance. Than what is the point of taking drugs.
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 Bah Humbug!
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 Sound
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 Party 1 2 3
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 Its high time....
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 heroin. Brilliant!
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 Ratboy is pissed
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