DVO's Prototype 4-Way Adjustable Coil-Sprung Shock - Crankworx Whistler 2019

Aug 10, 2019
by Mike Levy  
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DVO has been developing a 4-way adjustable shock to compete with ultra-tuneable offerings from Fox and others, with the new Jade Twin taking its name from its twin-tube internals. There's no word on pricing yet as it's not going to be available until next year, and the green and black coil-sprung shock was tucked out of sight inside the DVO truck, but the Whistler Bike Park makes an ideal location for testing.


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DVO
DVO's Jade Twin is a 4-way adjustable twin-tube shock that offers low-speed rebound and compression, and high-speed rebound and compression adjustments.


What the heck is a twin-tube system? It's exactly what it sounds like; the damper is a tube-in-a-tube design that sees both filled with oil and the piston working inside of the inner tube. In the simple terms, it's constantly recirculating the oil between the two tubes and through the damping circuits. And speaking of damping, the Twin will offer external low-speed compression and rebound tuning, and external high-speed compression and rebound tuning, all done via 3mm and 5mm hex keys.

Like their other shocks, the Twin uses DVO's essentially friction-less bladder compensator rather than an internal floating piston, and riders can adjust the bladder's air pressure between 160 and 200 PSI. Does that mean that the DVO Twin is 5-way adjustable?



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The Jade X is aimed at trail riders.


There was another new Jade variant hiding in the DVO booth as well. With a 3-position compression switch, the Jade X is aimed at trail riders rather than full-on enduro types, and you can expect to see it available in a few months.

Hidden inside the Jade X are all-new damping circuits, a new mid-valve, and a main piston that saw over fifty different designs tested before DVO settled on the production version. The 3-position pedal-assist lever also sees a good amount of definition between each mode. There's a rubber bladder inside the piggyback, as on all of DVO's shocks, and the pressure can be adjusted between 160 and 200 PSI.


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DVO
Aim's data logging kit for mountain bikes sends the info to your smartphone.


In between looking at new suspension, DVO's Bryson Martin pulled out a black case that held Motion Instruments' (disregard the Aim sticker on the unit - it fooled me, too) upcoming mountain bike suspension data logger. DVO has been using this little guy to develop and tune their latest forks and shocks, and Martin said that the easy-to-use system has been a game-changer for them. It employs a relatively small linear potentiometer, at least compared to those used on car or motorbike data loggers from Motion Instruments, as well as an accelerometer and gyro sensor. To tell you what's going on, it sends all of the information, including vibration measurements, to your smartphone via the MotionIQ app.

There have been a few other mountain bike-specific data-logging kits in the past, but it sounds like this one will be priced comparatively low, although the exact MSRP isn't set in stone yet.


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DVO
The Onyx E1 gets more bushing overlap for more torsional rigidity.


One last prototype, this one for the battery brigade. DVO's upcoming Onyx E1 fork will employ the same internals as the standard Onyx, including their D1 damper, but the beefier chassis also gets longer bushings for more overlap and, presumably, more torsional rigidity.


95 Comments

  • + 44
 Since it's pre production I have feed back. Please make an all black version, green is a hard color to match to anything, but green. The bladder is a good idea, but seriously get anonymous feedback from your riders... don't just stand over them and ask them how great it feels. You need the truth, or the products will suck.
  • + 5
 I have an all black onyx sc on my bike right now.
  • + 13
 I think the green highlights are fine (the all black versions just have green adjusters). Imo green anno is no harder to coordinate than rebound-knob-red and compression-blue, also, I'd rather one colour than two or three (frox-shox).
  • + 3
 Also please make a version of the Jade twin with a climb switch.
  • + 1
 @ebrooker: I don't see the need of a climb switch, as long as you don't climb a hill standing on your pedals and sprinting hard. All the bikes I've had didn't noticeably bob while my a$$ was on the saddle. But that's just me, of course.
  • + 29
 if you dont like the orange fox DHX, you can get the green one
  • + 1
 Mmm truth
  • - 5
flag seraph (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:55) (Below Threshold)
 Or orange instead of green. Blank Stare
  • + 12
 The position sensor is AIM. The data system is from motion instruments.
  • + 10
 DVO has the best customer service which is why I’ll try this product
  • + 8
 Yup and there stuff is super easy to service no special tools. It's odd to call a company and have a human pick right up to answer your questions.
  • + 2
 I agree. Ended up with a new DVO Diamond because of it and really glad I did. I've been super happy with it and problem free.
  • + 3
 @butters1996: they will literally talk you through any problems and walk you step by step super plus in my book good job DVO
  • + 9
 It'd be cool if pinkbike did a review of the DVO Onyx SC.
  • + 10
 Here's mine:

Pros: Plush, easy to tune, does exactly what it was designed to do - Send it.

Cons: A bit on the heavier side but who cares when you're already pedaling a behemoth 'trail' bike to the top.
  • + 2
 @miff: +1
Fully agree. I have the Onyx SC combined with a Jade coil shock and the way the suspension behaves reminds me of a trophy truck. Hit any rock garden/berm/jump/log at nearly any speed and the suspension will soak it up. Very much encourages the full send mentality.
  • + 2
 And the upcoming 180mm 29er Onyx S.C. to boot!
  • + 5
 @miff: slight correction: "shuttling a behemoth 'trail' bike to the top"
  • + 1
 @miff: Just bought a 2019 Onyx SC 27.5. It weighs 2290g out of the box for those interested. No star nut, full length steer. Beefy but stiff and easy to home service when needed.
  • + 3
 While I know a shock like this will be more adjustable, is the quality of the damping inherently better with a twin tube design? If so, how? I'm in need of a new DH shock right now and if this one was available I'd consider it. Otherwise I'm looking at a 2020 DHX2. I've got an air DVO out back on another bike, and it works well and DVO has been good to deal with.
  • + 7
 EXT... the best shock in the business is a single tube design and all the high end truck suspension is as well. Twin Tube = marketing.
  • + 0
 Isn't a reservoir shock doing basically the same thing? Oil flowing in and out from either direction.
  • + 5
 @jaydawg69:

The best shock in the business is one set up for your weight, bike and riding style.

BTW - I would not call the EXT the best one, there are others that can be tuned to the same level of performance.
  • + 2
 @Helmchentuned: no other shock manufacturer offers the same features, same level of attention to details or same sensitivity. And they are set to your weight, bike and riding style from the factory.
  • + 2
 I think the EXT is the only mtb shock currently available which has genuine position sensitive damping, which does arguably make it the best for some applications. Its not ultra clever though, and calling it "progressive damping" is a bit of a stretch (as they do). It basically has 3 distinct amounts of damping through its stroke - a tiny bit, a medium bit, and then loads (which they call hydraulic bottom out).
They actually don't feel that dissimilar to a Marzocchi TST shock from 15 years ago. It's not new technology, they're just the only ones doing it right now (that I'm aware of).
  • + 2
 consider the PUSH elevensix! such a good shock, well worth the money
  • + 3
 @MikerJ In short... no. Damping oil flows through shims and check valve under compression and and then back through other shims and another check valve under rebound with both mono tube and twin tube designs, both designs require the same number of seals as well so functionally the end result should be exactly the same.

Twin tube allows for easier external adjustment access to hi and low damping adjustments for compression and rebound though, this is why most monotube shocks only have 1 rebound adjustment.

At least this is my basic understanding of it all.
  • + 12
 Hi guys, thanks for your words, when I can I read with interest this type of comments and generally I do not get involved on expressing my idea, but just to give you an eye opening on some of different questions and answers on this thread here my understanding:
Damping quality is not defined by being a monotube, a twin or other type of hydraulic circuits, it’s defined by the correct damping characteristics chosen for the bike/rider, the damping values or damping coefficient, the way the damping forces develop during bump acceleration phase or rebound phase, by the hysteresis level, how damper responds on frequency, the overall friction hence the lower pressure of the system and for the "end user" how reliable and tunable is for the application.
The bike doesn't know if it gas a monotube or a twin fitted in, the bike/rider mass system will act and react dipendently of the above quality.
Yes a twin tube design technically should deliver more tunability but this doesn't mean better quality ,only " Should"!
The reality is which quality will be delivered by the damper!?
We at EXT use twin tube dampers in many winning motorsport applications : in car from rally to Gt and in motorcycle racing, Mx or street circuits; I have been one of the first engineer designing racing dampers with twin tube technologies since 1994, but twin tube it s also one of the older damper system used for normal OE car damper production for the last 60 years ,so nothing new.
In relation to Reservoir:
Reservoir in both mono and twin is there to receive the oil displaced by the rod intrusion during each cycle, in a twin tube design the reservoir function it’s only for this and should make it easier to use Low air Pressure; in the monotube the reservoir also carry the compression valve and this makes the design somehow more complex and more difficult to use with Low pressure to avoid possible cavitation.
To clarify, on our bike dampers, we have fitted what's called an "HBS", it’s a system that is position dependant, and the HBS have a Progressive damping characteristic, while all our dampers have a degressive force/velocity damping characteristics.
Maybe this short description will help to clarify some point or maybe now it s even more of a dilemma Smile
Thank you very much
Franco Fratton
  • + 3
 @IllestT: @DVOSuspension please look at some kind of "progressive" technology for coils or a better bottom out solution. Progressive coils don't seem to be very popular and are hard to come by.
  • + 1
 @SonofBovril: progressive springs are hard to do based on packaging, not to mention most bikes focus on a digressive or rising rate suspension design.

most people are looking for ride characteristics that would be fairly linear through the stroke, even somewhat digressive for square edges and chatter, but still want bottom out resistance. A progressive bike, or falling rate, with a progressive shock (like a YT with an x2 air) is gonna be great for hucks and harsh landings, but more likely to buck you on steeps and shelf riding. A digressive shock will track better on steep, loose and rocky but will fail the huck test.

The bottom out cup is a novel idea that been used across multiple platforms, another solution is a taller MCU bottom out bumper that is more progressive than the nitrile hard bottom out bumper. an example of this is the new bumper inside the 2019+ fox x2 air
  • + 1
 @Mondbiker: ever heard of Fast Suspension ? CR conception ? Push ? BOS ?

@MikerJ: I'd stay away from Fox DHX2, while it seems like a good shock when it works, many of my friends have been struggling with reliability to the point that they would go to French DH cups with a Fox Van in the tool case expecting the DHX 2.0 to blow mid weekend. Sending your shock 3/4 times per season is not fun.
  • + 1
 @Balgaroth: yep, neither of those offers the same features or quality.
  • + 1
 Yeah, they're so good when set up right, just like Push tuned RC/DHX etc.
  • + 1
 Yeah, they're so good when set up right, just like Push tuned RC/DHX.
  • + 5
 I’m no detective, but I think...
Double Adjustment = Double the Price
  • - 5
flag Happypanda1337 (Aug 10, 2019 at 16:43) (Below Threshold)
 No it don’t work that way. DH X2 and DB COIL both have HIGH AND LOW speed comp and rebound. Push still makes the most expensive shock. As it has 2x HSC and LSC, a switch to toggle, and 1x rebound.

FOX and Cane Creek are $650 for current gen or $400 for last years model
  • - 3
 Is that based on your dildo?
  • + 10
 @Hundin: that must me an Ontario thing... here, men don’t use those.
  • - 17
flag Hundin (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:24) (Below Threshold)
 @mitcht: smart people use"°MEAN '"BUT I guess you use the real thing.
  • - 23
flag Happypanda1337 (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:27) (Below Threshold)
 @Hundin: you seem a triggered. Broke ass scrub can’t afford shit. You can go to jensonusa...oh yea it say USA not Canada. You can go Walmart.
  • - 16
flag Hundin (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:32) (Below Threshold)
 @Happypanda1337: lol you know nothing about me . I work in health care, hope you don't come through my office.
  • + 19
 Being angry and Canadian is a thing?
  • - 16
flag Hundin (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:34) (Below Threshold)
 @drummuy04: the angry one is American. Surprised?
  • + 8
 @Hundin: Ahh, that makes sense now.
  • - 17
flag Hundin (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:38) (Below Threshold)
 @drummuy04: your president.
  • + 6
 @Hundin: Geeez, just apologize already...
  • - 19
flag Hundin (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:48) (Below Threshold)
 Why's are you so angry?
  • - 17
flag Hundin (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:50) (Below Threshold)
 @scottyrides5: for what? ?
  • + 2
 @Happypanda1337: motion rides is there.
  • + 5
 @Hundin: Dont worry about seeing Americans in your office. We would die first because of the wait times.
  • + 8
 @Hundin: damn dude, calm down. You’re not being very Canadian
  • - 5
flag Hundin (Aug 11, 2019 at 5:04) (Below Threshold)
 @BCtrailrider: all because of a joke about a dildo lol pinkbike needs to calm down.
  • + 2
 @MikeAzBS: lol touche
  • + 4
 Double your pleasure Double the fun Begin DVO jade twin puns.
  • + 4
 I bet you have a creepy mustache and an old econoliner van huh?
  • + 3
 Are you responsible for the disappearance of the marzocchi girls?
  • + 3
 I'll take 6... I want 6 of em. Well only one to start with, but later I will get more.
  • + 4
 So they went from a fox dhx to a dhx2, cool.
  • + 1
 Is the Jade X going to be available in imperial sizes? Since the new Manitou Mara has a reservoir too long to fit on my bike I am now looking at this or mrp hazzard
  • + 2
 Funny that in the automotive world, twin tube and high performance shocks are mutually exclusive terms.
  • + 2
 Your thinking budget twin tubes which are really more analogous to open chamber forks. These are twin tube like Ohlins TTX, (the tt means twin tube) but a better name is recirculating damper. These actually work fantastic for road race. But in MTB implementation they sort of have a lacking damping curve.
  • + 1
 Do drivers in the automotive world regularly fiddle with multiple adjustments on their shock? From my understanding the main advantage of the twin-tube is external adjustability.
  • + 1
 @Ttimer: dude look up ohlins ttx can be found on F1, Indy, WRC, moto GP, Wsbk, and lots more since the 1990s when ohlins first built/popularized their version of the recirculating damper
  • + 2
 This will be sick on the new Giant Glory! .......oh wait, that was only for one season.
  • + 2
 Whichnone you prefer Green,yellow,orange or black? Nah, none of them I’m waiting for blue one.
  • + 2
 Cane Creek Helm
  • + 1
 I don't get how they are still going ? I see one DVO product for every 100 bikes I see, is it the same else where?
  • + 5
 I have seen about two people ever running their stuff.
  • + 5
 Maybe DVO isn’t as common in Europe? In the Pacific Northwest I see people running them fairly frequently. Not nearly as much as Fox or Rockshox but definitely third most common suspension brand I see on bikes. I’m running a Diamond fork and Topaz shock currently. Outstanding products and customer service. If my bike could run a coil decently I’d be seriously considering that new Jade Twin!
  • + 6
 I have a Topaz as does one of my riding buddies. The shocks at least seem to be pretty common choices of people wanting to replace their standard shock (particularly for bikes from a couple of years ago that shipped with non-piggyback shocks when they really shouldn't have). My Topaz really improved my first gen Bronson over the Fox CTD it came with stock.
  • + 1
 Pretty popular in the Australian scene and fairly popular in the PNW, but it's kind of a hotspot for mtb in general.

They were OEM on Giant and Norco for a year or two as well so I'm surprised you haven't seen them more.

I'm running a Onxy/Jade combo on my new Nomad and I wouldn't have it any other way.
  • + 1
 @MarcusBrody: Yea it's a great option. I replacedthe shitty stock Monarch on my Reign with a Topaz and it was a total revelation. It was like a whole new bike again. About 30% cheaper than any decent offering from Fox, RS or CC as well.
  • + 2
 I see them a fair amount in the NW portion of the US. I see them mostly at enduro races. It no where near as popular as Fox and Rockshox but probably the next most common.
  • + 2
 @WalrusRider: I had a Topaz on my old bronson , much better than the RS monarch plus that it replaced, the monarch reservoir piston seal blew (common problem), had same problem on my mates bike , had it fixed and sold it straight away and got the topaz , would get another topaz for my process CR but have just upgraded from a lyrik RC to and Öhlins coil fork - miles better!
The smaller brands are catching up and are on par or are better than the big two.
I think DVO stuff is highly regarded here in the UK , but not so much of it about as not so many people sell it
Which is a real shame.
When setting up my topaz , emailed DVO. and Bryson personally emailed me with everything I needed to know and more, best customer service I’ve had in a long while.
  • + 1
 @WalrusRider: Actually seeing quite a few here in Morzine. Fair amount of Emeralds as well. Definitely still more popular in the US but their overseas distribution has grown getting the products out to more areas. Waiting for the Onyx 29 to come out, fingers crossed
  • + 1
 I’d also like to see their profit margins per unit. Selling aftermarket should create more money per fork than wholesale pricing to a manufacturer.
  • + 4
 I redact my previous statement. Today at the bike park I saw more dvo gear than I have ever seen in the past 3 years added together. It was like the twilight zone. I even saw a purple formula fork. It was a weird day.
  • + 1
 Given the markup on MTB products, you don't need enormous amounts of units sold worldwide in order to sustain a small company. Look at Cane Creek, MRP or Formula.
  • + 2
 @WalrusRider: I see MRP, Manitou, and CC on more bikes than DVO.
  • + 2
 @Austink: Maybe you should say you havent seen big piles of cash with elastic bands laying around and wait for the results.
  • + 2
 @bigburd: now that you mention it, I have never really seen clean stacks of dollars just resting right in front of my car as I am leaving work. (Come on pinkbike, work your magic)
  • + 2
 that Jade X looks like Hi/Lo Comp + reb and climb switch then ?
  • + 1
 No hi comp on the jade x. Think of the super deluxe R with a climb switch. That’s from seeing it first hand
  • + 1
 @Happypanda1337: super deluxe rct
  • + 2
 @Jcolis1904: Coil Topaz, got it
  • + 2
 I love my DVO fork. Swapped it out for an Fox and i dont regret it
  • + 2
 Love the Jade on my Jeffsy, these new ones look sweet.
  • + 2
 Another Cane Creek X2-VO
  • + 1
 What happened to some of the old coils with bottom out control?
  • + 0
 Looks like a push
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