E-Bike Battery Fire Destroys Florida Bike Shop

Apr 20, 2022
by Alicia Leggett  

The interior of Andante Bikes, a longtime Florida bike shop, has been destroyed by a fire started by a e-bike battery left unattended, our sister publication Bicycle Retailer reported.

The fire started after the shop closed April 9. The culpable bike, shop owner Mauricio Orozco said, was manufactured about two years ago and was sold last December, but was returned by the customer two days later when the battery wouldn't charge. The shop sent the battery to a company in Nevada to be rebuilt. Upon receiving the rebuilt battery, the shop left the battery to charge overnight. Instead of properly charging, it caught fire.

No injuries were reported, but the fire destroyed much of the shop's merchandise, along with the inside of the shop itself.

The shop's insurance does not cover the damage, so Orozco has started a GoFundMe to rebuild after the massive loss. As of this writing, the fundraiser has raised $11,987 of its $75,000 goal.

Lithium ion batteries can potentially catch fire, experts say, and should not be left unattended while charging. Inexpensive batteries are more likely to pose risks as manufacturing defects are more common than in high-end products.

More information is available about lithium battery safety in this BRAIN article and this e-bike battery charging guide.

An incident report on the Andante Bikes fire is expected to become available Friday.


155 Comments

  • 578 34
 The MTB Gods have spoken.
  • 25 158
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 20, 2022 at 13:30) (Below Threshold)
 E bike atheist in denial.
  • 38 13
 praise be
  • 101 5
 I knew there was a reason why I never turned the e bike filter on.
  • 8 55
flag KK11 (Apr 20, 2022 at 14:09) (Below Threshold)
 Good
  • 47 15
 Sorry for the owners, but better a bike shop then another forest fire... at least it burst into flames away from the trails...
  • 13 12
 I am wondering what the eCar gods are saying. “You will save $500 a month in fuel costs”?
  • 141 18
 So let’s talk about some reasons that owning an E bike may be helpful .

I myself went through Stage 2 testicular cancer , and from that sustained damage to my legs and kidneys . The lasting effects from 3 round of chemo really took all of my energy . Even three years later I still struggle with riding uphill and my energy levels . I usually have to shuttle to be able to ride more than one run at the local trails .

A friend let me borrow his RM enduro E bike and a trail I normally could only ride once due to the length of climbing to get to the start . I could now do more than one run with the help of that E bike .

Why doesn’t someone explain to me how you could possibly look at my situation and using an E bike as a negative . Go Ahead ..
  • 15 4
 So what's your horse's name, surely the Pinto's explosive gas tanks kept you on the buggy. And about that cell phone...
  • 33 4
 I sure hope none of you make a mistake that costs your entire livelihood. Have some compassion!
  • 37 0
 @islandjay: I hear you bro. Keep up the good fight and whatever keeps you shredding can only be a good thing.
  • 25 0
 Wait.. you need to attend a charging battery??
  • 9 0
 @islandjay: hi, an ebike is the perfect tool for your situation.
  • 11 0
 @scary1: @scary1: Came here to say this! Like, I can't leave my kids unattended and now I have to attend to my batteries while charging too!? Facepalm
  • 3 0
 @Stinky-Dee: Depends where you're charging, if you use public chargers in the UK it costs the same as fueling a small car and the initial outlay means you'll be spending at least 500 a month more for a few years...
  • 2 0
 @Stinky-Dee: untill the government decides to add a milage tax
  • 5 0
 @islandjay: Fully agree with you. Whatever condition you or we my have, we don't even have to justify ourselves.
I do have an Ebike when I ride with my way younger and faster friends, (around 20 years younger), and I still ride my "regular" bike too.
It's a huge improvement for so many people, and it keeps growing.
Haters gonna hate man....
  • 6 6
 @islandjay: stay strong and keep riding bro.

I've thought about this and perhaps ebikes should have a permitting process sort of like getting a handicap tag for your vehicle. Then again who will enforce this rule in public trails? And is this rule worth the trouble? Shouldn't we just let people ride their bikes?
  • 18 16
 @islandjay: @islandjay: because you represent kinda like 0.1% of the e-mountain bike users and that we speak about the remaining 99.1%
  • 5 3
 @barth1003: AND...this shop is in the Miami Florida area, which is pancake flat.
  • 2 3
 @islandjay: you need to connect with my friend Lance
  • 2 1
 @islandjay: Nothing negative about your situation. Pure joy that you get to ride. You're blessed and a voice of encouragement to those who think they're done with biking after a major medical issue. As for the shop owner, I wonder why the insurance wouldn't cover the damage. Hopefully can rescue some vestiges from the battery to send it to the manufacturer for analysis. God bless you all Pinkers!
  • 23 2
 @islandjay: It disheartens me so much that 12 absolutely unempathetic people on this website saw your post and decided to downvote.

If you downvoted a dude explaining how ebikes got him back into cycling after going through cancer, please feel free to leave a comment so the rest of us can ignore everything you say in the future; you're a c*nt, and your opinion is worthless.

Glad to hear you're doing better and you're enjoying yourself dude. That's awesome.
  • 2 3
 You couldn’t clear any of the jump Line @ Markham park or for that matter any jump Line in Miami. You speak like a true pinkbike Kook@ReformedRoadie:
  • 4 3
 @Durtwrx: do you clear them on your e-jump bike?

Wow...a little bit sensitive there? Do you really count dirt jumps as elevation?
  • 4 0
 @sherbet:
You my friend made my day , nay my whole week when I read this . Thanks for the support and kind words . I rarely comment anymore on the internet because there are so many trolls . But I just got tired of people and there limited view and the ability to not broaden there horizon… if that makes sense Smile .
Anyhow , thanks to all who posted supportive comments Smile
All Love and f*ck Cancer
  • 2 0
 @Stinky-Dee: The electric car gods are saying that gasoline is flammable.
  • 139 3
 E-bike haters and fans unite to say insurance companies suck. Hoping no one was hurt and wising the owners the best.
  • 82 3
 lol But if you have a bike shop one of your top 3 due diligence items should be to make sure you’re fully insured.
  • 57 4
 I came for the e-bike comments but you have made us all better people with this. Can someone please explain the purpose of paying for insurance if the insurance company will do everything in their power to void your insurance when something like this happens? Disgrace.
  • 23 1
 i'm guessing they selected the policy that excluded fire
  • 19 1
 I insure a few different bike shops. Not sure what and how he would have chose a policy that would exclude a fire, but that sucks. There is no reason this shouldn’t be covered on his policy.
  • 28 4
 This is not an insurance company issue, the owner went cheap and did not pay for coverage for this type of event (fire). As a consumer it is your duty to know what coverage you have.

It is like only buying liability for your car and then being pissed when they won't pay to replace that car after you crash it because it is a collision claim.
  • 23 0
 At our shop we were required to charge batteries in a fire proof box in order to be insured for the fire if the batteries ignite. We didn't of course.
  • 6 0
 Insurance companies gonna insure. But you gotta pay to play, and it sounds like this shop chose not to pay.
  • 8 0
 @salespunk: agree, but any insurance agent worth their salt should clearly explain the details of the products to their clients. Not everyone enjoys reading a 75 page policy looking for loopholes (I do)
  • 10 2
 i hear everyone - flood, i get, tornadoes, sure, business interruption, perhaps... all things that are less common, but fire.... seriously, you guys think the owner was like, duh, never heard of fire insurance?.... If i am an a*shole insurance company, my guess is that it was - so, you left an unattended battery charging?...... your fault.... no soup for you....
  • 6 1
 @sunringlerider: last shop I worked for, when asking the insurance co for details regarding e-bike service, actually listed specific bike brands that could be serviced. Not on the list? Not covered. We could apply to have some established brands added, but that was it. Insurance companies have to cover their ass too. And yes, battery fire was their biggest concern.
  • 6 1
 @BScotty: that's where we're all thinking about it wrong. The insurance is no longer for the customer, it is for the insurance company
  • 2 1
 Loopholes is the keyword here. Insurance companies' business is to reduce refunds to a minimum, clients' business is to painstakingly read the policies before signing. I know many people who discovered only after the damage, that the damage itself wasn't covered or fully covered, due to some clause they hadn't read.
  • 2 1
 @salespunk: if he had paid, insurance wouldn't give the money anyway because they don't cover fire if there is stickers on a window or if there is more than 3 blue bike in the shop
  • 2 1
 @gnarlysipes: Probably not covered under negligence for leaving the battery unattended rather than uninsured. But I would have thought they could have gone after the company that rebuilt the battery for creating something faulty which could have lead to the death of the customer and their family, let alone the bike shop losses!
  • 3 0
 I don't think this is a case of not paying for fire insurance, but insurance company's reluctance to cover fires due to lithium-ion batteries. Our local autocross club has had to remove electric cars from our events as our liability insurance no longer covers damages from fires due to their batteries.
  • 1 0
 @atestisthis: The bicycle retailer article said they didn't have fire insurance, so it' is less that the insurance doesn't cover the fire and more that they weren't insured. My sympathies with the Andante shop, and attaching this to e-bike agendas is shitty, but you really ought to have insurance against fires.
  • 2 1
 Funny how people are ragging on the insurance company. 1) It looks like they might not have been insured from fire which is pretty dumb and their own fault. 2) Leaving a big Li-Ion battery charging unattended is negligent as f*ck and their own fault. I'm sorry for the shop owner's and staff's loss but come on... They made some bad decisions and are now expecting random people to foot the bill via gofundme instead of taking responsibility.
  • 1 0
 @atestisthis: Yes, this is quite true. Around here shops will work on brands they sell and that is the reason. To the point some have others said, a battery causes fire is still a fire and fire is a covered loss on most policies. I had a customer have a shop fire that was determined to be caused from a battery powered cordless tool. Was covered.
I am curious in this case if the bike shop was renting the space there were working in and had a limited business policy, it is unfortunately easy to chose a cheap policy that has lots of exclusions.
  • 57 2
 I miss the good ol days when there was exactly 0% chance of your bike blowing up or spontaneously combusting and burning down your house while you slept.
  • 3 21
flag Crankhed (Apr 20, 2022 at 20:16) (Below Threshold)
 So If I would’ve told you 30 years ago that, 30 years from now, they’ll be selling these Ebike things (like fkn hotcakes) that could possibly burn your house down ,you wouldn’t have wanted one ?
they’re probably fun as hell before they catch on fire man,cmon
  • 20 0
 pepperidge farm remembers
  • 54 3
 Id rather be riding my bike than watching it charge.
  • 10 0
 Or pushing it up a hill !
  • 32 0
 I'd rather be riding my bike than watching it burn.
  • 44 1
 Fire sale? Sorry, too soon?
  • 14 1
 That was in shockingly bad taste. Smile
  • 13 0
 The bike component market gets even hotter....
  • 41 3
 Lots of questions here.
-What brand of eBike that a new battery wouldn't charge? How common is this?
-What service rebuilt the battery?
-No warranty on a rebuilt battery? That's a red flag.
-Trust a rebuilt battery to charge unattended for the first time? That's a no.
  • 32 0
 If you take a closer look at the picture in the BRAIN article that's linked to/quoted - I think it's a fair bet that this shop was not a retailer for high-end ebikes equipped with, say, Bosch, Shimano, Yamaha, or Brose motors/batteries. This is not to throw any shade at the business - there's a huge need for affordable ebikes, and unless you're an enthusiast and relatively well off, any of the big name brands are just plain out of reach.

So as to what brand? Not a brand... - dollars to donuts, this was a bike or conversion kit sourced from the endless supply of them available on alliexpress, ebay, even Amazon. You don't know what you're getting, you don't know whether the certificate stickers mean anything other than the supplier knew how to turn scanned pictures into decals, and you certainly have no idea if what you're getting is one of the rigorously tested, high quality batteries/motors/controllers churned out by legitimate companies abroad, or a bad knockoff that'll burn your house or shop down.
  • 13 1
 I highly doubt 99.9% of people rolling around with those Wuhan special batteries are checking them at any interval (customers & shops), one can only imagine how many of them are puffed.
  • 1 1
 This
  • 1 0
 12qwasZ≈
  • 5 0
 @g-42: Last year a shop in my hometown burned down. Way worse than this actually. They only sell Cube and Specialized, usually don´t service anything else either. Good batteries are usually safe, but the chance of combustion is never zero
  • 2 0
 The rebuilt battery is the thing for me. I'd be asking the mob who did that to pay for the shop. 99% sure something went wrong there.
  • 33 0
 Im an insurance adjuster, all homeowners policies in the US cover Fire, they are literally called Fire Policies as that is what they were first made for many many years ago when insurance started. However business policies can differ. I personally have never (in 30 years of adjusting) heard of a business policy that does not cover fire. I suspect they are renting the building and didn't get any sort of rental/business policy or they own the building outright and didn't take out insurance which for a business is about as dumb as not locking the doors at night.
  • 7 0
 I appreciate these insights
  • 4 0
 Is it possible the insurance just refused to pay as the battery was unattended while charging, which the owners manual probably states? Would that be considered gross negligence?
  • 2 1
 @SleepingAwake: That would be highly unlikely. I doubt there is case law that shows negligence if you plug in a battery to charge overnight, probably 99.9% of people plug their phones in or an item that has a battery to charge like a hand held vacuum and if it causes a fire its covered.
  • 3 0
 @1Surfer1: Insurance companies in our country have some super strict rules about batteries in most of bikeshops. Every battery over 0.5Kg has to be stored in a fireproof container. So basically every e-bike on the floor and in the service has to have its battery placed in a metal box each and every night. If anything would catch fire and the batteries were left on the bike, the insurance company would not pay up.. Big deal in EU..
  • 1 0
 @i-am-lp: very interesting!
  • 34 3
 Hey, if I just dont take fire insurance, and something happens, Ill start a go fund me so others can pay, and I can save the $$$ for 15 years and let some other poor schmuck donate.... sounds like a solid business plan...
  • 1 0
 That's what parents do when they make their 13 yr old kids send massive jumps for social media and eventually crash. Just start a gofundme.
  • 31 12
 fuck ebikes man DH bikes are way better and just as heavy
  • 21 5
 everyone I know with a ebikes says it's good exercise but none of them are in shape maybe running to put out a ebike fire will ramp up their cardio
  • 12 3
 Seems clear that the battery repacker has full liability to make this shop whole again. These is no clause that will hold up in court protecting them from liability. If this shop was properly insured, the insurance company would be suing repacker default - that is just how insurance works. Not sure why shop decided to get battery repacked versus replaced - trying save money, batteries aren’t available any longer etc. I don’t think repairing/repacking batteries can meet UL/FM compliancy. It’s very possible the customer could lost his home instead of bike shop if he would taken battery home and tried to charge it - likely would been joint liability in this case between repacker and shop. Going forward this will set basis for negligence anyone who decided to repack batteries.
  • 12 0
 Ebikes: So hot right now!
  • 8 0
 Something we learned When into RC cars, always charge Any lithium based cells inside a fireproof box. - We had a 6s lipo Blow while charging but was into an old ammo box. Saved my house and all my bikes.

I have a Fire blanket wrapped around my Rail battery when i charge it.
We also now have Wifi Smoke detectors that will alert my phone - my garage recently got a water sprinkler system that i installed(only the spinklers and pipes which is easy and cheap) that is wifi controlled(was controlled by a heat sensor before i had a wifi trigger for it)

We have approx 40 lipos in my garage steel cabinet, i dont care if people think its all overkill, my garage is under my house and im not risking my familys lives over them.
  • 11 0
 For sale: double baked carbon rims
  • 8 1
 R/C cars are required to charge batteries in a li-po fire proof bag. I store all my batteries in a li-po bag. I’ve seen several light up on and off track, it’s quite a site. Usually a intense flame and Al ton of smoke.

I’m surprised this hasn’t happened sooner.
  • 3 0
 Can confirm, my local track require your to change your lithium based batteries in fire-proof bags or boxes too.
  • 1 0
 R/C batteries AFAIK are easily removable and relatively small right? Meanwhile emtbs often have batteries that are difficult for non-savvy owner to remove. It does seem like a responsible bike industry should focus on this before it blows up so to speak.
  • 5 0
 Why the f*ck aren’t all chargers smart chargers. So you can have them shut off when they reach a certain point. Hell newer batteries they can send info so they chargers can reach 80% and shut off. “They” want us to overcharge the batteries in everything but cars as they lose money on car batteries replacing them. But make money when everyone replaces their devices when the battery goes bad…….
  • 1 0
 If you buy a good eBike it'll have a smart charger. If you buy a cheap Amazon eBike, it won't. At my shop we highly recommend using outlet timers for charging cheap eBikes and have a few in our service area when working on questionable batteries.
  • 9 1
 These comments are going to be lit!
  • 5 0
 Same thing happened to a YouTube surfer that I watch. His e-bike caught fire in his garage. He had like 50 surf boards and lost them all. Sucks. Yes, he had insurance, but money can't pay for things of sentimental value.
  • 6 2
 I love this kind of information. We all plug our phones in, laptops in and other lithium ion cells and leave them unattended. Cheap cells can expand and have a host of other issues. I would guess that most bike batteries are actually cheaper cells and not from high end manufacturers as these cells tend to be much more expensive. Not sure if there is charge balancing in any bike batteries. Would love to do a tear down of a high end bike battery and see what the design and manufacturing is like. I bet it's interesting!
  • 6 0
 Hey guys, I'm curious if any of you have ever had an analog bike spontaneously combust? Just a couple weeks ago, my neighbors house burnt down from an electric car too!
  • 6 0
 I hace a stack almosy 150 broken batteries stacked up in my workshop. Nice ticking time bomb sitting there
  • 4 1
 Remember the android phones? Doesn’t necessarily need to be charging to catch on fire. There is a possible chemical reaction happening and it just ignites itself. And there is not much to do except sand! Ask all the RC cars people. They have sand buckets in the pits. It s a pretty common thing.
I experienced it in my home, and it sucked.
I can’t imagine the heat of a battery as big as an ebike one.
But yeah, no overnight, no unattended...
  • 4 1
 You mean people actually watch their L-ion batteries charge. And what about elec cars dont people charge them along w/e bikes in their garages over night. the idea behind larger L-ion battery driven vehicles just seems a bit toxic at the moment and and a stronger demand for safer batteries needs to be implicated somehow . i sure hope it becomes safer before to long. It kinda crazy that we as consumers (or most of us) are even willing to purchase something that most likely has a warning label that specifically says it might catch fire or explode (wile you sleep at night) and yet we’re ok w/ such clauses and devices and even bring them into our homes
Its almost like Yea sure man thats ok i just wana ride , alright sighn here and well get your potentially explosive battery/fire hazard bike all ready for ya
If batteries are the future it seems were in for a mess of trouble
  • 2 1
 Like petro refining and use doesn't also produce inferno disasters? What's worse at the end of the day. My money is on petro.
  • 5 0
 There are plenty of house fires caused by electric cars. There are even bulletins put out by some car manufacturers stating that you should not charge your car in the garage. Scary stuff!
  • 6 1
 I don't see how the fire insurance did not cover the damage. That does not seem right to me.
  • 13 0
 The Bicycle Retailer article says they didn't have fire insurance.
  • 12 0
 @toast2266: Very stupid IMO
  • 3 0
 @toast2266: That means they don't have any insurance.
big mistake.
  • 4 0
 In other news a vape battery explodes and starts a catastrophic fire......lithium batts are lithium batts.
  • 3 0
 If insurance won't cover it, could they sue the battery rebuild company? I think it would be provable that somebody over there f*cked up big time.
  • 4 0
 Dont leave ebikes charging unattended? So the advise is to sit by your charging ebike for 3-6 hours?
  • 4 0
 Florida and Ebikes in one tragedy... uh oh... this comment section might go downhill fast....
  • 1 0
 Hard to go uphill in Florida...
  • 3 0
 Try fix an expensive battery instead of replacing it. No good deed goes unpunished.
What about the battery rebuilder? Sounds possible something was repaired wrong.
  • 3 0
 I'm scrolling the comments here, there is a shit ton of a*shole here. I hope you'll never need help. And remember: all you need is just one bad day.
  • 1 0
 What a shame! It's tough because you're used to being able to charge things and leave them un attended but having recently become a bit of a drone enthusiast you learn quickly that you can't leave them un attended as at any minute a Lipo can set on fire! Does suck because who wants to sit and watch their e bike charge for hours haha. Best of luck with the go fund me.
  • 4 0
 "Should not be left charging unattended"
So what are you supposed to do, sit there and watch your ebike charge every time?
  • 1 0
 No put it on your desk next to your computer and important paperwork.
  • 1 0
 Insurance will not cover fire? Why is the battery rebuilder not being held responsible.for the damage caused by their faulty rebuild? Starting a gofundme because 1) you left a lithium cell charging without supervision 2)you had crap insurance 3) another companies shoddy work caused your place to catch on fire? This smells like a bullshit colada.
  • 4 1
 An entire house burnt down in our neighbourhood due to 2 ebikes chargiing in a garage. Luckily the 2 people got out quickly
  • 4 0
 Put them E-Bikes on charger timers!!!
  • 1 0
 good idea
  • 1 0
 Sure, but the fire started at 6.15pm and the shop shut at 5.30pm, so in this case likely the same outcome
It is a bit of a difficult one, could a charger be invented that detects if current is being stored or being used as heat???
  • 17 14
 One more reason I will never own an Ebike
  • 36 7
 Best get rid of your Li-Ion powered phone, tablet, computer, cordless vacuum, power tools, etc.
  • 22 0
 @gnarlysipes: This is why I have no electronic devices or electricity in my house. I prefer it burn down the old fashion way, candles tipping over or the stove burning out of control. This is assuming I live long enough with all the soot I breathe. Smile
  • 3 0
 @gnarlysipes: all of those devices combined provide a fraction of the capacity an ebike battery has, and I don't crash them into rocks on a regular basis. Nice try though
  • 3 0
 @gnarlysipes: The amount of energy stored in an e-bike battery is a lot more than what's in your phone. The fire is going to be a lot bigger with an e-bike battery. It's like comparing a shot glass full of gas to a bucket full of gas. Which fire is going to bigger and more dangerous.
  • 1 1
 @MTB-Ohana: Darn, I was planning on using my phone battery to power my bike. Apparently, the sarcasm escaped you all.
  • 1 1
 @carym: LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
  • 3 2
 What good is the insurance policy if it won't cover shit like this? Also, this would have never happened with a regular bike...
  • 4 1
 Your insurance doesn't cover it? Play with fire, get burned.
  • 2 1
 Maybe it would be a good idea to get the insurance that covers stuff like this? but man that is sad bike shops are valuable to a community.
  • 4 1
 Yeah, but it was in Florida so.........
  • 5 3
 Fuck their Go Fund Me. Hard to feel sorry for a company that is to cheap to buy insurance for fire.
  • 4 1
 Haha, gofundme. Gimmeabreak.
  • 2 0
 The shop's insurance does not cover the damage? Hopefully he is able to rebuild.
  • 1 0
 Seems odd as the owner refuses to state what brand bike and then says this: "Unfortunately, this type of fire did not qualify for our existing insurance "
  • 1 0
 Batteries, the ONE thing to not go China cheep on. I've watched 2 batteries for lights smoke and catch the casings on fire in my garage. No more.
  • 2 0
 "Should not be left unattented...", what's there more to say?
  • 1 0
 That's how the manufacturers get out of any liability.
Also insurance companies should not allow electric cars to be charged inside.
this is why a world powered by solar/wind and batteries will never happen.
  • 2 0
 Ebike ignite. Heavy, expensive and a fast way to gain weight.
  • 1 0
 Trying to remember when my bike last caught on fire. Huh. I don’t think that it ever did.
  • 1 0
 I know floods are standard exclusions form insurance policies, but fire?! WTF?
  • 2 0
 Bike/battery brand? Why is this not the first question?!?!?
  • 1 0
 Like or hate ebikes, pretty shameful to express joy over misfortune of others like some of the top comments.
  • 1 0
 this use to happen years ago with cheap lights , and now with chev bolts , i think the high end ebikes are still safe
  • 1 0
 What insurance did he have that does not cover this - Learn to run a business
  • 2 4
 Wow fuck insurance. This is like when all those vape batteries were blowing up in people's pockets. Gotta be mindful with batteries. If they're getting super hot, something isn't right.
  • 3 1
 They didn't have fire insurance, so it is more fuck i wish i had insurance rather than fuck insurance
  • 2 0
 Shocker.
  • 2 0
 Trojan horse
  • 2 1
 Electric motors are great, batteries suck.
  • 1 0
 I have a fleet of over 50 rental ebikes. I worry about this sorta thing!!!
  • 1 0
 but I thought they were so green and so perfect
  • 1 0
 Scary
  • 1 0
 Destroy all dentists.
  • 1 0
 Ball don't lie.
  • 1 0
 burn all the road bikes
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