Elite Qualifying Results from the Lenzerheide DH World Cup 2023

Jun 9, 2023
by Ed Spratt  
Greenland leading out Dunne.


After the flat-out Junior Finals, the Elite racers are now against the clock for the first time this week. See who has come out on top from the first timed session of the weekend below.

In the Elite Women's racing Camille Balanche was unstoppable as she held the lead through all five splits, she is looking tough to beat at her home race. Coming closest to the 2022 overall champion was Rachel Atherton who is looking very fast this week and could be a real threat for not just the podium but maybe the win this weekend. Completing the top three was Vali Höll as she crossed the line just over six seconds back.

For the Elite Men, it was Andreas Kolb who kick-started his weekend with a top result. Andreas managed to keep consistently within the top three riders to ensure he came out on top once he reached the finish. Loris Vergier would end his day in 2nd although he was still nearly half a second back on the fastest time. The only other rider within a second of the hard-charging Austrian was Angel Suarez taking third place, 0.823 back.

Check out the full results below.


Results:

Elite Women

1st. Camille Balanche: 3:12.135
2nd. Rachel Atherton: 3:17.178
3rd. Vali Höll: 3:18.153
4th. Monika Hrastnik: 3:19.404
5th. Phoebe Gale: 3:19.703
Elite Men

1st. Andreas Kolb: 2:44.411
2nd. Loris Vergier: 2:44.893
3rd. Angel Suarez: 2:45.234
4th. Loic Bruni: 2:45.466
5th. Benoit Coulanges: 2:46.155


Full Results:


Elite Women

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Riders ranked 1-15 and protected riders who start, qualify for the semi-final.


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Elite Men

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Riders ranked 1-60 and protected riders who start, qualify for the semi-final.


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213 Comments
  • 158 3
 Holy ***, Rachel’s back?
  • 19 1
 Looking forward for the race. I think there will be some serious competition.but still very impressive that Rachel is on speed again
  • 14 3
 H O L Y S H E E I T.... btu she was trying to sandbag ; ). "this was awful", etc.. we know the script.. but in any case.. that wales training hope pays back also for BK. 16 year in world cups.. magic number.. the year of the tiger
  • 29 14
 Must've been riding with her brothers.
  • 25 0
 On Fox Dialed she was sounding unsure about her setup and the trails, but on Raw there’s a single clip of her riding a nasty sidehill full of roots and rocks, and she rode it way better than most of the riders, men or women, that I knew without a doubt that she’s up to pace even if she’s not at her own limit yet. So rad!!!
  • 5 0
 She lost 4 seconds in split 3, maybe a mistake so will be interesting on race day!
  • 18 1
 Still at the top after all that time off? She's just in a different class to the rest.
  • 8 3
 @honourablegeorge: GOAT for sure
  • 18 8
 @ridedigrepeat: Hmm. Anne-Caro's entered the chat. It's actually very close between the two of them (Rachel has one more overall, ACC has one more race win, but Rachel has been World Champ 5 times compared to ACC's 9). ACC is the GOAT for me, especially if you take other disciplines into account.
  • 6 3
 @commental: fiiiine. Rachel can be GOCT (greatest of current time).
  • 2 1
 @ridedigrepeat: Yeah, we're agreed on that for sure.
  • 13 0
 Mama bears are far more dangerous.
  • 4 0
 @commental: Some of ACC's margins were ridiculous, she often rode one or two levels above the entire rest of the field. Imagine a rider today winning a DH by 9 seconds! That said props to Rachel, she certainly looks poised to take the title of GOAT based on today's result.
  • 1 9
flag danstonQ (Jun 9, 2023 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 She can win whatever she can or want, as long as she doesn't comment any race.
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: more like lots of intervals with the baby trailer, helps right out of the gate!
  • 2 1
 @Telemahn: margins were big back in day due to less less strength in depth in field. Same in men.
  • 1 0
 She in the mom category now ???
  • 35 0
 Think this is the year of kolb.
  • 41 0
 Well deserved if so! Very likable fellow.

The downtime podcast interview with him recently is great!

The interviewer says "you seem to be everyone's favorite Austrian!" And without missing a beat Kolb replies "not mine, I like David Trummer"

Class act that guy. And fast AF.
  • 8 0
 @ridedigrepeat: totally agree, came across really well on that podcast.
  • 4 0
 @razor: i ordered one of those spiky mats after listening. Next I'm gonna get a life coach and get to the top!
  • 5 0
 Im a fan of all the top guys (Vergier, Bruni, Minnaar, Pierron, etc) but this year I'm rooting for Kolb above all.
  • 29 0
 Harriet Harnden ftw
  • 13 1
 An XC racer flogging some fairly big names is really impressive
  • 12 0
 @spicysparkes: She's won multiple EWS rounds, so she ain't "just" an XC racer!
  • 10 0
 @sjk303: XC, CX, EWS, DH racer. BMX next year I expect
  • 1 0
 @richlong28: Will the commentators mention the EWS background or the DH background?
  • 17 1
 Has a mother ever podiumed before?
  • 2 0
 I honestly think she's simply the 1st mother to compete in WC DH...Am I right ?
  • 11 1
 @VictorBrousseaud: Leigh Donovan got 8th at World Champs in 2010 after having a kid. I'm sure there are plenty of others.
  • 10 0
 Kathy Sessler, Troy Lee even made a sticker specifically with this info on it: One Fast Mother!
  • 7 0
 Gunn Rita Dahle on the XC side did several times after giving birth. Legend! Not sure on the DH/Enduro side.
  • 1 17
flag jayacheess (Jun 9, 2023 at 8:57) (Below Threshold)
 Has a father?!@
  • 1 0
 All I know is, don't mess with mama bears.
  • 4 6
 @stunnanumma1 your mum podiummed laay night!
  • 4 3
 Clarisse Agbegnenou was world champion in judo 11 months after becoming a mother! Just to say there are other examples in other sports proving they can come back at the same level
  • 1 0
 @pasteque51: In biathlon at one point about 5 years ago 3 of the top 4 women in the world were moms. One even had 2 kids. Pretty amazing!
  • 1 2
 @jayacheess: Because ejaculation and childbirth are pretty much the same thing. Stupid f*ck
  • 2 1
 @Super7: Easy, chief.

I was pointing out that we obsess over women's ability to procreate, as though it's somehow absurd that she would come back and compete after having a child. Why the f*ck wouldn't she? She's an amazing mountain biker.
  • 1 1
 @jayacheess: keep digging
  • 2 0
 Pinkbike is blessed some of the most special morons.
  • 26 12
 Shout out to Anna Newkirk for getting in the top 10! An American riding an American bike is the best thing in downhill since Frameworks.
  • 16 0
 Kolb!
  • 15 0
 Laurie and Jackson need to do a Thing 1 Thing 2 theme/vid at some point
  • 13 0
 Harnden 7th!
  • 9 0
 Gracey looks like she had a bad start/slide out but looks like she has the speed to be in the top 5, pulling back to 12 overall. Should be a fun race tomorrow.
  • 13 3
 Go Rachel. Vali might be rueing the comment she made last season about getting beaten by a mum.
  • 1 0
 What did she say?
  • 7 0
 @anchovies: I can't remember exactly, but something along the lines of "at least I wasn't beaten by a mum."
  • 5 0
 @commental: go rachel =)
  • 10 0
 A lot of people would pay good money for that.
  • 8 0
 Top 20 men within 5 seconds. Gonna be some tiiiight racing if the weather holds.
  • 8 0
 Going to be lots of bummed fans, Sam Hill is in the 62nd qualifying spot currently.
  • 5 0
 Amaury Pierron is 51st though so...
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: He must of made a mistake im sure or he knows he is protected and is playing it safe into the next two race runs. He obviously has the speed compared to Sam Hill who was sort of an unknown coming into this.
  • 3 1
 @Aem221: 115th as it stands, looking at his splits doesn't look like is had an off just consistently slower in each segment. His an absolute legend but didn't have the pace in EWS last year wasn't really inside the top 40 at all
  • 2 2
 Just messing, I didn't expect Sam Hill to be anywhere near the top, sadly.
  • 5 1
 Ahh well, he had a broken back and a a shoulder surgery in October two, Mans out there giving it a go and it's awesome.
  • 1 2
 @tomo12377: It'll click. I'm sure he still won some stages last year.
  • 6 0
 @BenPea: Pierron posted on Instagram he had crashed earlier in practice and though everything felt pretty normal, played it safe and cruised down the track in quali being protected.
  • 3 2
 Bye bye Samuel Colline
  • 3 0
 @donimo: track looks hazardous
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: Yeah quite a few injuries and close calls already. Hard to say if it's more than usual, or if they've just happened to people more on my radar. Then again a lot of riders have commented they like the track, so go figure.
  • 8 0
 Bit premature the top 5 men… Ben Cathros Run is still to come!!! Get in there!!!
  • 1 0
 DNS for Cathro, not sure why.
  • 1 0
 @commental: ☹️☹️☹️
  • 16 0
 @commental: Timing system isn't fast enough to capture his acceleration out of the gate.
  • 2 0
 @commental: Has he not got a bust collar bone from a crash a few weeks back?
  • 1 0
 @linton-photo: I don't recall seeing that, but I may have missed it.
  • 2 0
 @linton-photo: I thought I'd seen him on Vital raw (day 1), just went back and checked and he's on the footage.
  • 12 0
 @commental: He's had a massive crash on the upper part of the track, right where the track crosses the road, not sure what happened, he almost landed on me, I was with the back, got lucky. It looked pretty serious, he remained lying face down, did not move, the paramedics immobilised him, he was responsive.
  • 3 0
 @reddev: Nooo, doesn't sound good. Heal up soon Ben.
  • 2 0
 @reddev: ah man, bummer
  • 8 0
 Wow, more than 200 riders in qualifying for Men's Elite.
  • 1 0
 Too bad only 30 make it. Uci killing dh willingly
  • 9 0
 Rachel is a beast! Wow!
  • 7 0
 I thought quali's were broadcast live?
  • 7 0
 No - there's too many riders to have it on. Cant see how it is feasible. You'd get the same 20 secs of track for 200 riders.
  • 2 0
 @Jblack89: derp, good point. Thx.
  • 2 1
 @Jblack89: I was pissed till I read your post. Fair play!
  • 9 0
 @Jblack89: Red Bull used to have a 'live from the finish line' show that was pretty good - just interviewing the riders as they came down and obviously seeing their times. Would be good to have again.
  • 9 1
 Yeah Camille yeeeeewww
  • 22 19
 As I love Gwin and Sam, the idea that they could get back to the top is crazy and I don't understand the hype especially Sam is trying to make on social media, those post with a crown, well, you once were the king but you guys do not get any younger.
  • 21 1
 Ło Panie! please see Minaar - he is even older and still can win on his day. So not really an argument? no?
  • 21 1
 @dj100procentenduro: Not everyone is Minnaar though
  • 19 14
 I said the same thing on the Sam Hill posting on here, got flamed by some of the PB folk who clearly dont race.
Sam is a legend, but coming back in 2023 is near impossible. So many youngsters coming up and folk flying from all around the globe, the sport has moved on significantly since he left.
He is only back because he could no longer touch the big 3 in Enduro.

Gonna be controversial to some NP fan boys but the new carbon NP is slower than the old bike.... just look at the Fort William nationals results. (Big Al especially as he knows every pebble at Fort Bill and that was a short track taped for nationals)
  • 32 0
 I don't know about Sam but Gwin is a top 10 rider. Being in the top 20 is freaking epic. They don't need to win races as they're already legends but they are still fast af and have solid careers left.
  • 13 0
 @mtbneill: was gutted that Gwin got hurt. Wanted to see what he was going to do this year.
Both legends for sure and epic they are still racing.
Gwin has had some bad luck with injuries.
  • 26 6
 Sam Hill doesn't need some noob on pinkbike to understand his social media posts, he's still the king
  • 10 1
 I mean Gwin is still at the top. Ended last year on the podium. He clearly can still have the pace. Current injury sure won’t help, but people have come back from worse.
  • 2 0
 @betsie: Let us have our fun!
  • 5 0
 @Oolex: And not everyone is Sam Hill.
  • 3 0
 @mtbneill: Correct, I'm rooting for Sam to break top 10, or top 20.... These guys aren't likely to podium, but that isn't the point.
  • 17 2
 Guys it's 1st quali of 1st race, please leave some time before judging ! I guess Sam is enjoying the process, and he's been so good for the sport, there's only good vibes to have him back on WC !
  • 3 0
 What crown thing? I see nothing on IG Do you understand social media at all, its all about hype. Sam's always been one of them most humble man in the sport mate. It's us loony fans that pump him up.
  • 5 0
 Gwin could still put down podium times or at least top 10 if he could stay healthy...

Sam must have had an abysmal run to end up so far back... curious if he had a flat or
Something. (Or maybe 2 flat... pedals?)
  • 8 0
 @ridedigrepeat: Watch the latest vital raw, he's not even close to the same pace as the top guys. As much as I want to see Sam do well, I'd be surprised if he make it to any of the finals this year.
  • 6 6
 @spicysparkes: He's not even trying though is he. He had shoulder surgery in October and fractured his back in the same accident. Like come on, this guy can go way faster than he's going.
  • 4 2
 @spicysparkes: Can't believe I'm getting downvotes for that. He has to shave 10 seconds to make it and in the shots seen of him he's cruising down breaking over features. He literally just has to pick up his nuts and he will find 10 seconds.
  • 2 1
 @betsie: utter nonsense.
  • 3 5
 @betsie: you got flamed by people who raced. Cope with others having a differing opinion, old man.
  • 5 0
 @mtbneill:

Gwin was podiuming last year toward the end of the season. Man looked to be on pace for threatening the W this year prio to destroying his elbow.

But I agree about Hill. He's got some significant work to put in if he wants to even qualify.
  • 3 0
 @betsie: The sport moved even more significantly for a guy like Cathro who took nearly a decade off, but he still makes a quali here and there.
  • 6 4
 Heard it all before. Hill will get a top 10 before the year is out.
  • 3 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: cathro was still racing regionals and he was a DNS today.
Let's be honest, the top 30 for finals is gonna be tough when Greg was 30th today!
  • 9 3
 @atrokz: cheers, I haven't raced since last year.
Hill got smoked today. Miles off the pace.
Racing is racing, it doesn't care what you did many years ago
  • 1 0
 @betsie: they were riding it last year though?
  • 1 0
 @JonDud: didn’t qualify
  • 3 1
 First race back in DH after years away and doing that track in basically 18 seconds off the top guy isn't bad at all. Also, it's smart to not throw it all on the line in the qualifying first race of the season.
  • 3 0
 @dj100procentenduro: Minaar has never left though.
  • 1 1
 @betsie: spot on
  • 2 2
 @betsie: Yeah but watch him ride, he isn't pushing it at all, not even trying. Did you ever race at WC level? Probably not. You've no idea, Rachel just came back after having a baby mate, she's 35.
  • 2 0
 @bikes-arent-real: Still the first race back. Worst case this year I think he will make the top 20 and to do that would be a major achievement seeing as he's been out of the DH scene for a while now.

It's funny how many guys run their mouths when they can hardly ride a bike themselves. To answer your question, no I haven't raced WC, but neither have you, so what's your point lol.
  • 1 0
 @bikes-arent-real: The women's field should be disappointed in itself for that.
  • 2 2
 @Islandbear: I think if he can make the 30 for the big final that'd be pretty awesome. But yeah It's Sam Hill. He's what 16 seconds behind, this mofo used to put 14 seconds into the mens field. Yeah the games changed since then but the key to success is still mental and he's done that time and time again. He's allway's been hot and cold, you can tell when you see him at practice if he's going to do well or not.

Plus I didn't ask you that I was asking mr "I've raced DH and none of you have"
  • 3 1
 @bikes-arent-real: put the nostalgia pipe down. He was trying and got smoked.
Yeh, I race and for my category and age and can forever claim the fastest over 40 amateur race time ever down Fort William, coz they are changing the track now to make it shorter.

Rachel has the benefit of riding Dyfi all the time if she wants, came from once dominating, that place is fantastic. A wee bit of luck too with 2 of the top women out/injured. She would still podium for sure though. But the men's field is much more competitive than the women's field, just look at the times. 1st to 3rd in the women's is 1st to not qualifying in the men's. You have to compare apples with apples when between the tape. It's a brutally honest sport when you are in that start gate and the pips go. Nobody on Pinkbike messages is gonna help you out saying you were not trying. That's a stupid comment to make about a racer pitching up at a world cup!

I am sure Sam just turned up to roll down and get smoked by the kids as well as the elites. Sure...
  • 3 3
 @betsie: Watch videos of him, he's going slow as, he can go much faster, he's better at racecraft than you are clearly. Why would you turn up at a World Cup at 37 and try lay down a heater like a junior and crash out and wreck yourself? Sam has always been like that, if he's not on he's just not competitive, that's why he only won WC overalls when he was putting down smoking times. Meh I'm not gonna bother trying to talk to you because you've made up your mind. Tony Cairoli is 37, retired but he was still at the pointy end of it at 2021, Greg won worlds a couple years back. Gwin made a podium last year I recall. These are all athletes in Sam's league, he can without a doubt get back to decent times, only has to shave 10 seconds to qualify mate.
  • 1 0
 @bikes-arent-real: maybe another track will suit him better but that is 3 times this year he has been off the pace.
I would say it's partly the new bike, just guessing from Fort William times and what riders on the new bike did on the old bike last year and this year's track was shorter and conditions were as perfect as they could get there.
  • 1 0
 @betsie: they rode that bike last year and Dunne got a podium at MSN so I doubt the bike is the problem
  • 1 1
 "YO I RACE THEREFORE I KNOW ALL ABOUT RACING! Cool story bro.
  • 1 1
 Also: YO I RACE THEREFORE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT A RIDER IS THINKING AND CAPABLE OF - Old man who is the FASTEST 40YO DOWN FT WILLIAM (OK nevermind Minaar and all the actual fast guys!)

Bro just calm down, eat your humble pie, and enjoy watching the *actual* fast guys.

Cheers
  • 2 1
 @atrokz: put the pipe down capitals boy.
Chill. I am entitled to an opinion, no need to shout.
  • 6 0
 Just picked up my phone. Good Lord . Rachel 2nd!!!
What’s she going to do when she has a good practice session?
  • 5 0
 Jackson and Jordan both top 10 quali in first elite race, old guard are going to be left behind soon!
  • 4 0
 The outlook on DH for the next 10 years is really exciting.

Goldstone. 19
Jordan: 18
Finn: 23
Greenland: 26
Luca: 26
Amaury is only 27
Daprela is 22
Remy and Luke
Craik is what 20-21?
Loris is 27
Loic is 29

And that "old" guard that's falling off... those dudes are still fast as hell. The numbers of guys that are going to be retiring and/or falling off over the next 2-3 years is actually pretty small. So getting top 50 is not going to be easy.

Then you got the ladies.
Best young group of women we've had in awhile.
  • 4 0
 So, according to the live timing, adam brayton already did a heater of a finals run. His time of 2.86 seconds will be hard to beat tomorrow.
  • 2 0
 The guy no one is talking about might win the competition TMR... Just saying... Pretty impressive with a new custom bike & small brand... Didn't expect that comming so early... Taking into consideration how much time and experience it takes to develop a competitive DH rig
  • 5 0
 What happend to jenna dns?
  • 4 0
 Broke her wrist and finger in practice. Check out her latest YT vid
  • 1 0
 @alanispink: bummer Frown thanks i‘ll check it out!
  • 5 0
 Phoebe Gale - first year in Elite!
  • 1 0
 Great result for her, keep it going Phoebe!
  • 4 0
 Go Rach!!! Fingers crossed for team Atherton Smile .
  • 4 0
 Yea slacky boy,he's back !!
  • 4 1
 Did Jackson have a crash at the top? Was way back at split one and then sped past most of the field the rest of the way.
  • 1 0
 Some elements I noticed. Vergier have an increasing speed and if he start more quickly he will be ahead. !! Marine have a strong increase also. I didn't see Nina, hope she is ok at least
  • 3 1
 Specialized gravity having 3 of the top 7 places. If they can keep on their bikes all season they are going to be the team to beat.
  • 3 0
 Ninas a DNF, .. shit.. but I guess she is protected.
  • 5 0
 On IG she said she tweaked her ankle so just broke the beam so she could race
  • 1 0
 was wondering about her run too. crash?
  • 1 0
 [Edit: I might have been writing this without seeing you had said she was protected. Sorry.]
I'm not sure about this, but because she started from the gate and she finished 4th in the Overall last year, she might advance to the semi-final race because she's a Protected rider.
Does anyone else know if this is correct?
(I'm reading UCI Rule 4.11.014 for this.)
  • 4 1
 RAAAACHEEEEELLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 4 1
 CAAAAMMMMIIIIILLLLLLLEEEEE!!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 If Atherton comes back and wins a couple races and competes for the overall... you gotta give her goat status.
  • 9 0
 Already has goat staus
  • 2 0
 @endorium: Nope. ACC.
  • 1 0
 Nah women’s field doesn’t have the intensity at the top
  • 1 0
 @commental: no idea who that is
  • 2 0
 @endorium: Anne-Caro Chausson.
  • 1 0
 @commental: talking about women's DH racer... not overall bike racer....

Overall racer I'd give that to ACC because of her BMX record and her DS/4X wins.

But DH racer... that's Atherton. Especially considering what she's come back from to continue winning.

But I'd say this conversation is very much like the Brady vs. Montana conversation.... Brady pretty much ended that by winning with Tampa. If Atherton wins a couple more and most definitely if she wins another overall... conversation is over.... for DH racer...
  • 1 0
 @adminofthegapers: The women's field over the last 4-5 years is better than it's ever been.

Myriam Nicole
Holl
Balanche
Seagrave
Nina
Marine
Farina
Blewitt is coming up
Johnset
Hannah was crushing it just a couple years ago
etc

It's been a pretty strong group of women.
  • 2 1
 Alright, which is best Discovery+ or gnc+? I have far too much time on my hands at work to be working and not watching this stuff live
  • 2 0
 Turns out the 4 top fastest guys are also the 4th more coustomized / tuned bikes though.
  • 3 0
 I thought Richie Rude was going to try his hand on a DH bike?
  • 3 0
 After the enduro season. Suspect he’s gonna do the North American leg.
  • 2 0
 Some huge names in the men’s aren’t going to make it?
  • 1 2
 They should be protected
  • 31 1
 Cantante Carvalho Gonçalo Bandeira isn't protected.
  • 1 0
 @bgoldstone: does protected get you into the semi or just finals? Both?
  • 3 0
 @somebody-else: Top 10 men top 5 women from last year are protected into finals but they do atleast have to start semi finals.

Top 60 men from qualifying to into semi-finals
Top 30 men from semi-finals to go finals

Top 15 women from qualifying to into finals
Top 10 women from semi-finals to into finals
  • 1 0
 @Aem221: damn. I wouldn’t want to be Amaury right now.
  • 1 0
 @somebody-else: Hes protected anyways
  • 1 2
 @andrewbmxmtb: He's not a "huge name" by any means at all lmao
  • 6 0
 @c-radicallis: I dunno man, that’s as long a name as I’ve seen in DH in awhile
  • 3 0
 Gwin DNS.
  • 6 0
 Broken arm in practice
  • 1 0
 @bgoldstone: Thanks for that info. I hadn't seen any update after his training crash.
  • 1 0
 www.pinkbike.com/news/aaron-gwin-out-of-the-lenzerheide-world-cup-with-a-broken-arm.html
  • 1 0
 Yeah. Freaking gutted. From everything I heard, he was in really good shape and looking really fast on the current bike. DUde's too old to be getting hurt like that. Each one of these will start to feel like... is that the last time we see Gwin out here......
  • 5 2
 No quali for Sam Hill...
  • 2 1
 Sad to see
  • 1 0
 DNF fo Nina, hope she's ok?! And DNS for Jenna's first elite, hurt in practice?
  • 2 0
 Two neo-juniors in the top 10! This season will be something!!
  • 2 0
 Jackson's first world cup and qualifying 10th wowza.
  • 18 0
 Only four places behind Jordan. ;-)
Before I get pulled apart for my tongue in cheek comment, yes, I'm aware he's just come out of hospital and was a doubt to even be here.
I think they'll both be interesting to watch this season.
  • 5 0
 @commental: regardless of which of them placed higher, to both top 10 in their first senior wc qualies is crazy
  • 2 1
 Jackson pulled back a lot of time after a slow start in the qualifier. Going to be a fun season to watch with these young guns and an already stacked field.
  • 5 8
 @commental: It wouldn't be a Jackson Goldstone comment without some Williams fan replying "bUT wHaT AbOuT JoRdAn!!"

The facts are that Goldstone beat Williams last year and won the overall. He then won Hardline as a side quest in his first year attempting it. He's had significantly less training time than Williams due to being in and out of the hospital the last couple months due to ruptured appendix. He was re-admitted to the hospital literally days ago, and still placed only a few spots back from Williams in qualies.

We'll see what Williams does this year, but there is absolutely no doubt at all who is currently the most impressive mountain biker between the two. It's not even close.
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 @whistlam8: Jordan will do the business this year, surprised theyve got him on the old bike still
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 @whistlam8: lol this reply aged like milk
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 @wvmtber06: Lol sure did, I can't imagine what it would be like at 18 and winning your first world cup in your first race. The battle between Jordon and Jackson is going to be fun watch for years to come.
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 @wvmtber06: He won one race and y’all acting like he won the overall. He won a few races last year too. Remind me who took the overall. Jackson was in the hospital a week ago. I shouldn’t expect logic from a group of people who have high rates of head injuries I guess
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 @whistlam8: he couldn’t have been in the hospital for anything serious if he got 6TH PLACE. By that logic, if he was fine with no ailments he’d win by 10 seconds. I’m sorry but I just don’t see Jackson beating the likes of Bruni and Vergier and there’s no point in praising him like some sort of deity.
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 @wvmtber06: His appendix ruptured. For the second time in the last 2 months. Considering healing time, it’s safe to assume it was ruptured during the race. He’s had much less training time than Jordan over the last few months because of it.

He beat Jordan for the overall 2 years in a row, and then won hardline. All evidence points to Jackson being faster than Jordan on average. Jordan will be faster some days, because that’s racing, but the numbers show who is faster on average.

Who said Jackson is a deity?
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 @whistlam8: who said I said Jackson was a deity? My point is you responded to a comment about Jordan with a paragraph+ long response as to why you think Jackson is better. I just don’t understand the need to get so butthurt over that simple of a comment.
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 @whistlam8: not to mention this whole argument started because I jokingly said that your reply aged like milk
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 @wvmtber06: I see that you're 16 so I'm gonna give you a pass on these weird misunderstandings. The point is that no one is claiming he's a deity.

The actual point is that people can't read a comment about Goldstone without some "bUT wHaT AbOuT JoRdAn!!" reply. Go read the parent comment then the first reply. Why are people so butthurt about Goldstone that they feel the need to bring up Williams every time he's mentioned?
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 @whistlam8: this is quite literally the first time I’ve seen someone say something about Jordan Williams under a comment about Jackson. You act like every comment has this same problem.
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 @wvmtber06: Then you haven't read many comments. I've seen it so many times.

Do you think a ruptured appendix is nothing serious? Most people have immediate surgery to get it removed, but this kid is toughing it out so he can race this season. He's probably pumped full of antibiotics at this point which are well known to affect athletic performance, and he's still in placing in the top 10. That's incredible.
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 @whistlam8: remember my first reply had NOTHING to do with who was faster, I just simply found it ironic that you would comment that and then Jordan won. I didn’t start arguing about who’s faster until you brought it up and even then, that’s a dumb thing to say because it’s completely opinion based and there’s no right answer. And I will give you the fact that Jackson is fast but you can’t say who’s faster because to me they’re on par with each other.
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 @wvmtber06: Someone being faster isn't opinion based. Race results are objective. I agree that they're close, but the results speak for themselves at the moment. If Jordan keeps beating Jackson, then there will be evidence he's faster but even with today's win the numbers are still on Jackson's side, especially since he's at a big disadvantage with his serious medical issues. One race contributes to the average, it's meaningless by itself. This is why we have overall titles.
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 What happened to Cathro? Hope he’s alright!
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 A good glass of absinthe and Camille will win easy Lenzerheide!
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 How the hell does someone like Dean Lucas keep a factory ride when he consistently underperforms?
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 Well, I guess Rachel is back in full form! Going to be an awesome season.
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 What does the "*"(star) mean after some of the names on the live timing?
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 I think that's for the National Champion.
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 was wondering the same thing, couldn't find anything about it.
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 U23 riders
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 Why is perrion in 57? CRASH?
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 Is there any difference between watching the race on Discovery or GCN?
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 Angel Suarez on pace!
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 Rachel what a machine
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 Check out my hot pics➤ u.to/mWPGHw
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 Cathro DNS?!?
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 What doe the * by names mean?
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 Gwin not riding?
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 and now we race a stupid semi final
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 Where's amury??
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 Too bad you can't watch the racing anymore.
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 You never could watch qualifying. Or junior racing.
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 please explain.
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 I had 2 pints bought for me this evening. I can now afford to watch 6 of this season's races.





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