Hyper to Begin Selling High End Mountain Bikes Through Walmart

Sep 23, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
Hyper Bikes

Hyper Bicycles' Eric Carter has confirmed the brand is gearing up to begin selling high-end mountain bikes through Walmart.com in the USA and Canada in the near future.

Carter, the Brand Manager, has told Pinkbike that the spec of the bikes has been confirmed and that Walmart has committed to selling the bikes. He was unable to give an exact time scale for the bikes to go on sale due to the lead times being extended due to COVID, but expected it to be Spring 2021 at the earliest. It's worth noting that we've heard from Hyper that they are gearing up to sell these bikes on a number of occasions, but this is the first time we've been given such concrete signs that it is imminent.

The first bike will apparently be Hyper's AM 27.5 160mm travel bike that we saw Bas Van Steenbergen riding to 3 victories at the recent Crankworx Summer Series. Carter also said that Hyper is also working on an affordable complete carbon hardtail project targeted at supporting the growth of the NICA leagues to be sold through Walmart channels. We don't have any details, including the price of either bike, but we expect them to be released closer to the release date of the bike.

Hyper, a brand whose roots lie in BMX, has been sponsoring mountain bike athletes since 2012 when it announced Cam Zink in a shock move. Back then, Zink was riding a rebadged Corsair frame however since then we have seen Hyper sign more athletes who are riding original designs. Now, the brand sponsors both the Van Steenbergen brothers, Jordy Scott and Eric Carter himself and we've seen them riding a downhill bike, an enduro bike and a dirt jump bike too.

You can currently buy the dirt jump frame, however this will be the first time a full suspension team bike has gone on sale from the brand.

Bas Van Steenbergen riding Hyper

So what has taken so long?

The answer can be broken down into two parts, timing and patience.

Back in 2011, when the Hyper mountain bike project started, IBDs still ruled the roost and buying bikes direct was far less common than it is now, especially in the US where the big European brands such as YT and Canyon hadn't yet begun selling. Carter says, "We feel the market has curved towards our brand's position with the direct to consumer and online sales channels being acceptable avenues to offer and purchase products."

The other half of this is getting the bikes to the place they wanted them. Hyper offered mountain bikes at Walmart back in 2011, but they were missing the higher level bikes and the riders to add brand credibility. Eric, who was a Hyper sponsored rider from 1992 to 1995, came back on board and together with the owner formed an initial plan to buy off the shelf, catalogue frames, rebrand them and then push them out into shops. However, the quality fell below what the pair wanted. Eric says, "after review, the owner and I were not happy with what was available and wanted to have something that was a definitive Hyper bike. So we went down a few rabbit holes of working with a few designers, we ran into some last-minute patent issues on designs we were doing… we actually didn’t have issues as we probably would have won any court proceedings but we just didn’t want to spend the money and time defending drawings, at the time we had no inventory or tooling done."

Bas is in the chase for the overall title heading into Kicking Horse.

The next step was to bring in the expertise Robert Stemen, a former GT engineer, who along with Eric and some input from Cam Zink, started to work on Hyper's own frames. Eric explains, "We identified some things we really wanted our bikes to do and spent a lot of time screen sharing over kinematics, shock placements and came up with some designs. After getting the tooling cost and manufacturing cost quotes our focus was to make these bikes and have them under top riders and hopefully start to build recognition and exposure for the brand and specific bikes and at the same time hope the market would shift a little to accept Hyper as a higher level brand offering."

Hyper Bikes

It seems that time is now as Hyper begins gearing up to sell through Walmart. The past 9 years haven't been a waste for Hyper though as it has allowed them to position themself as a credible brand with race winning frames and, Eric says, the development process has trickled down to Hyper's more affordable range and brought better geometry and tubing to that price bracket.

We'll update you with more details of Hyper's production frames as and when we get it.


198 Comments

  • 123 8
 Let's hope they arrive at Walmart pre-assembled. Having fixed a Walmart bike for a neighborhood kid that came with the stem/bars installed backwards (yes, fork/brakes under downtube), I would not want a Walmart "mechanic" touching anything that intends to hit the trails.
  • 59 0
 walmart.com, not in the stores themselves. same with the viathon brand.
  • 23 3
 @lognar: Correct. No different than buying off amazon. It's just an online platform to sell through. So now you just have to worry about a random guy contracted by Walmart who usually builds grills sent to your house to build it for your $1500 enduro bike lol
  • 28 0
 How is this common? It would seem impossible to get it that wrong that often, yet it happens...

Just saw another Walmart bike with a backward fork out in the wild yesterday, tall guy pedalling duck foot to avoid the tire rubbing his toes. Facepalm
  • 19 0
 @mobiller: if you don’t ride bikes, don’t have training, and don’t give a shit how is it not more common?
  • 15 1
 @mobiller: The people who are contracted to assemble things at walmart stores are paid per item, not per hour. So the incentive is to assemble quickly...not properly.
  • 8 0
 I think one of the problems is that "acceptable" is different for everyone. Professional mechanic's build standards are very high but most people's are not. All day customers bring in everything from Rad Power to S-Works with egregious maintenance issues and insist that the bike works just fine, it just needs air in the tires. Lesser brands capitalize on this by assuming the vast majority of people who are cool with buying a bike at Walmart or the like also won't have very high standards or expectations. "So what if it shows up with the fork on backward? Who's gonna know?"
  • 14 0
 I have one better: Canadian Tire (huge Canadian hardware, sporting good, and auto repair chain) once put a family on riding bikes on the cover of their huge annual catalogue (like Sears catalogue huge) and one of the bikes had the fork installed backwards.

A few years later my local Canadian Tire had a bike prominently displayed in a special stand above the bargain bins down the centre aisle as you came into the store. Again, fork installed backwards.
  • 10 0
 @big-red: Years ago a riding buddy went to a job interview at Canadian Tire for a bike assembly job. He was the only one that knew that left and right pedals had different threads.
  • 2 3
 @fullfacemike: What amuses me is when people who should know better go months before catching the backwards fork problem. A riding buddy who's perfectly capable of building a bicycle from the frame up inquired in a riding group page about his daughter in law's bike and if anyone knew why she was having toe overlap issues with the front tire and pedals... And that was on a NORCO not something from a canadian tire. She bought the bike, from an IBD, who installed the fork backwards....
  • 18 0
 @mobiller: they're just ahead of the super low offset trend.
  • 26 0
 Having *built* bikes at a precursor to the big "W" (KMart) I hope so too. I was 13 and the biggest challenge was where to throw out the "extra" parts where my manager wouldn't find them...
  • 2 0
 @nsmithbmx:although I cant be sure, I would assume these bikes, like most other DTC bikes, will be assembled at the Company's factory and then shipped.
So basically the end user will only have to attach the handlebars and install the wheels. Pretty simple for anyone.
  • 3 0
 @big-red: Perhaps they were forward thinking and had determined that negative trail worked better.
  • 6 0
 @lognar: So true - Think of Walmart.com like an Amazon with a drop ship capability.
For example : You buy this brand new "Hyper Enduro bike" on Walmart.com. That order gets sent to Hyper Bikes. It is built there and Shipped from Hyper to your home. Walmart never touches the bike!!!! Its just the order hub.
  • 6 0
 @lognar: Majority of the adult walmart/target bikes that came through the shop had stickers on the fork with a "FRONT" and "BACK" side clearly marked around here, and they'd still be backwards. I get not being able to center brakes or get a derailleur working if you've got no clue what's going on, but the backwards fork is just obnoxious. Go through a big walmart in a city and you'll see missing brake pads, taco-ed wheels from the factory, bars upside down, rattling parts all over, etc.
And yes, even when LBS mechs go to the local walmart to build bikes up for christmas, they're bringing an impact driver and getting paid per piece...but at least the parts will probably be on there pointing the right way, and tightened down.
  • 3 0
 @parkourfan:

I've pulled major name brand bikes out of the box to assemble them and found the same front/back stickers on them. Its part and parcel in the industry now given how many hack job "bike mechanics" exist out there. Same with lawyer tabs on forks basically being everywhere now in the bike industry, not merely on bikes sold in the USA.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: Yup, pretty sure all of the short-travel, hybrid suntour nex forks were coming with those on there, from the overlap between big box stores and LBS. Pretty gummy and horrible to remove.
  • 1 0
 @Three6ty: Is that what drop shipping is? I may have learned something new today.
  • 3 0
 @SuperHighBeam: It is. there are many forms of Drop Shipping but in this case Walmart is just the middle man with a huge customer base and online presence. ( the middle man in this situation )

The middle man is where its at. Take the order, send the order to the manufacturer or distributor, and you make a little profit in the deal. You never have to warehouse anything and you never touch the product. All your effort and labor is in building a great website and website presence, attracting a customer base and building up a solid reputation, making deals with the manufacturers ( profit ), and ensuring that you have great customer service.
  • 2 0
 @hardtailparty: offset flip chip, adjustable geometry at its finest
  • 1 0
 Definitely
  • 2 0
 @Three6ty: Its called "3P Marketplace", where a known "brand" uses their online platform to host various, generally smaller size, vendors.
  • 1 0
 Some pro riders took a look at Hyper’s mountain bike offerings and had a few recommendations is an understatement. Have you seen these things. HA !!!!
www.walmart.com/ip/Hyper-26-Shocker-Men-s-Dual-Suspension-Mountain-Bike-Black/54169167
  • 3 0
 I bought a Viathon M1 (Walmart bike). Best packaging I have ever seen, and while not completely assembled, what was assembled was completely dialed.
  • 4 0
 If your worried about walmart mechanics maybe build it yourself.
  • 2 0
 @big-red: Oh that is gold. I was not aware of the catalogue shot, but that does not surprise me. Yeah, I've got a pic of a bike in their display rack with the fork backwards. I collect such pics from wherever I see one but it's mostly craigslist. Those and XL 26ers because those effing slay me.

Yeah, Zellers, Canadian Tire, Walmart... And you notice that their bikes only come in one size :goofy/small. I think they have 26" wheels but the whole bike always looks deceptively puny under the rider (who always has the saddle too low so that doesn't help).
  • 1 0
 Buying it
  • 1 0
 @lognar: I saw on LinkedIn that product manager got fired. Starting to make sense now that they closed on this and threw him out
  • 2 0
 @big-red: Perhaps it was just a MRP fork? Smile

I used to work in the film business ( high end TV commercials) and it was amazing how often the art department would throw really kooky setups in front of the lens. Especially when it came to outdoor or action sports.

Once in a while though they'd buy really high end stuff and then you could often buy it at a huge crew discount because they couldn't re-sell it due to liability etc.
  • 2 0
 Surely at least partly Manitou's fault, having the arch on the back of the fork? ;-) Confusing much.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: I bought a used Kona Process off a guy who had a very high end bike shop install the $500 dropper post backwards.
  • 1 0
 @rexluthor: bike's too small, saddle's too low, and the drivetrain is slammed into the hardest gear because easy gears are for wimps.

Also, I should find some pics of my old bikes if you like XL 26ers. Been riding XL bikes for 25 years and only the last two rigs have had bigger wheels.
  • 1 0
 @parkourfan: so you're saying I should get ahold of my local walmart and make some quick bank around christmas
  • 1 0
 @hardtailparty: Negoffset is so hot right now.
  • 1 2
 @nsmithbmx: Get an accredited mobile mechanic to come to your house and build it. How can you tell? You can find them through the PBMA. If they are not a member of PMBA, they are not trustworthy as a mechanic, in a bike shop or otherwise.
  • 43 0
 I buy all my high end products from walmart.
  • 3 3
 "high end"
  • 9 1
 My Viathon m1 XX1 is one of the best bikes I have ever owned, and I have owned more bikes than I care to admit.
  • 7 6
 @jfog52: Viathon marketing people are fired — naming any mountain bike “M1” is blasphemous, unforgivable heresy in the MTB world (unless of course Intense releases an updated Cali-made aluminum M1 with swing link Horst rear suspension and 29F/27.5R...which they absolutely should do. I’d love to see Gwin, Kovarik, and others shredding on a new M1 in red or polished aluminum =)
  • 2 1
 I enjoyed that. Thank you.
  • 1 0
 Believe it or not, a lot of people do once they realize Walmart.com sells almost everything - from LG OLEDS to Gucci bags - often cheaper than rivals, to their doorstep in two days, and returnable at their local store.
  • 2 0
 @Jamminator: Gucci bags delivered to my door from Walmart? Why didn’t someone tell me before? I’m gonna look Instagram-baller rollin into Blackcomb Lodge in Whistler Village with all my downhill gear in Gucci bags. Just gotta make sure someone videos me so I can upload it to social media =P
  • 1 0
 @jfog52: Let's here about the other bikes..........
  • 1 0
 @Jamminator:
Yeah but it's...walmart.

This is the same company that doesn't provide benefits to their employees but during employees first day they explain how to apply to state paid healthcare plans and food assistance. So you don't pay full price for your items but your taxes are higher so you help pay for their employees benefits.

I am not to go to shop at discount stores but socially...they are the worst.
  • 1 0
 @WRCDH:
Gucci dh gear? I hear you can get it at a discount price at Walmart.
  • 1 0
 @MrDiamondDave:
Does this mean when I buy a high en bike with a Manitou fork at Walmart that the slider cross brace will be facing forward?
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13:
Very sneaky Walmart but I am holding out for Atherton Bikes to start selling at the Dollar Store.
  • 25 2
 Doesn't get me hyped to go to a walmart
  • 5 0
 But what if it were rewe?
  • 1 1
 @isuckatridingbutmybikeiscool: Rewe is too expensive, Kaufland is where it’s at
  • 5 0
 @Upduro: I buy all my bikes at Aldi.
  • 4 0
 @ssteve: Penny Markt auf der Reeperbahn?
  • 1 0
 @isuckatridingbutmybikeiscool: Hahaha the supermarket best known for all it's mountainbiking customers, right? Wink
  • 1 0
 @isuckatridingbutmybikeiscool: I heard they have a great range of rubber
  • 1 0
 Wertkauf!
  • 22 0
 Backwards Fork Capitol of the World
  • 21 0
 Negative offset is the future. The grim donut missed out
  • 10 0
 *angry Manitou noises*
  • 2 0
 High end and Walmart in the same sentence, doesn't make sense
  • 6 0
 @scottlink: except for the sentence you just wrote
  • 12 1
 I have a hyper dirt jump frame and the rear tire clearance is horrible, it barely fits a 2.1 maxxis dth which is basically a slick tire, it rubs every time theres any side load on the wheel. Its like they just used the same clearance from the bmx race frames that run like 1.5” tires.
  • 12 2
 Don't worry. When I retire from the service, I will gladly put together some Walmart bikes part time. Once I put the joint down, I will without a doubt , make sure your bars are on straight and your brakes are right rear/left front.
  • 21 0
 How long have you worked for the post office?
  • 8 0
 Heathen! Right front, Left rear. LOL
  • 3 1
 @onlyDH: Since Trump’s appointee hired him.
  • 12 3
 While I want to be stoked that Walmart is going to be helping NICA leagues. I just can’t be stoked about anything Wal Mart does. They have pushed the consumerism agenda for too long.
Many local shop are already helping support NICA clubs.
  • 12 1
 Every bike brand and Pinkbike push the consumerism agenda too though. You read this site and the press releases the companies put out and you start believing you’ve got to have that 10mm linger reach and 1 degree steeper seat tube every year. It is just the nature of the beast.
  • 4 1
 I’ve yet to see a shop support a NICA team with anything more than a few water bottles, expired granola bars, and 15% off parts that are 25% overpriced.
  • 2 0
 @shagolagal: Brutally honest...but I guess that goes hand-in-hand with the mantra that people should happily pay 40% more for all their parts and accessories at their locals LBS, because it's 'worth it' that one time they may need an emergency tube!
  • 13 2
 TL;DR Owners of obscure bike brand put in a ton of work to....sell their bikes through Wal-Mart.

Hooray?
  • 7 2
 Anyone with BMX roots/background knows about Hyper. Yes, they have a level of bikes sold on the floor departments store style. However, this line will be sold via online channels/direct to consumer. Dismiss all you want, but to a wider, 'non MTB' audience, many of the brands we MTB'ers consider a big deal (two from your neck of the woods in the PNW) are also 'obscure'. I am not a huge fan of Walmart. However, I recently moved from Denver to Bentonville, their home, and the amount of work and resources going into MTB here is incredible and only expanding. I see this as a positive
  • 3 0
 @bman33: I remember back in the mid 90's a guy showed up at some local trails/jumps with a purple anodized Hyper bmx bike. It could have been the most drool worthy thing I've ever seen.
  • 4 1
 @bman33: Point taken, though comparing the relative notoriety of a 90s BMX brand with Transition/Kona/Evil is a stretch...
  • 1 0
 @bman33: See Mongoose, Diamond Back, et al.
  • 2 0
 @kingpine: Hyper is a modern day BMX brand, alive and well. Any BMX racer and most freestylers know their brand. It wasn't until ~8 years that they started selling entry level products at Walmart - which certainly made bike aficionados question the brand . That said, now associating their first consumer available, high end mountain bikes with sales at Walmart may not be ideal for entry to the existing market. Clearly though, the Walmart business model has been working for them nonetheless.
  • 12 0
 How about a picture of the bike?
  • 1 0
 Exactly...
  • 1 0
 Would a video of one of them last year be sufficient ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8t0DOhoy5o
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: looks sweet!
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: they had many frames at the 2020 Toronto Bike show in March. Quality and geometry looked as good as anything in that price range, but don't expect any bargains.
  • 11 0
 so we CAN actually buy them now. wow
  • 7 0
 never thought we would see the day
  • 32 0
 Purchase a Hyper you also get a can of rich energy
  • 4 0
 "...in the near future". I'll believe it when I see it.
  • 5 0
 Proving once again that 2020 is the weirdest year possible.
  • 9 0
 When I read hyper i automatically hear it in Scooter's voice.
  • 3 0
 Hyper Hyper !
  • 6 0
 So can I get an enduro bike for $1500 that shreds-ish at wallyworld? Yes or no
  • 6 3
 That’s exciting! The numbers sound good so far (27.5”, 160mm (of rear travel I suppose)). Hope it’ll come at least with a Z2, 4-piston brakes, 200mm rotors and a Deore 1x10 drivetrain for 2500 USD max. If it’s going to be more than that don’t bother. Isn’t the new Specialized mullet bike (the name escapes me) somewhere around 2600 USD?
  • 8 0
 status
  • 7 0
 Status
  • 6 0
 Status
  • 6 0
 Status
  • 6 0
 Might be status
  • 5 1
 There is no way i will buy this over status with that price
  • 5 0
 If your still looking, allow me to help you out... The name might be 'Status'
  • 2 0
 since nobody is tell my boy @PaulWolf, hes thinking of the specialized status ;(
  • 2 0
 @dexterfawkes: are you sure its status??
  • 2 0
 Perhaps status
  • 4 0
 Guys, can we get a update on the Status of this one?
  • 2 0
 Yep I meant the status. Thanks for helping out. I checked though and the status is more like 3000USD. So I’m thinking 2500USD for the hyper with a similar spec would be quite alright.
  • 3 0
 @PaulWolf: So, you were wondering about the status of which bike?
  • 3 0
 Sounds awesome.. Cheap bikes with good parts. Fix shit if needed.....its about time someone takes a chip out of the bike industries elite hold.....they are pedal bikes.....shouldn't break the bank like they are doing the past decade
  • 1 0
 Besides the big high end bike companies are going to make their money from Ebikes now.
  • 3 0
 I have a feeling that even though they are just using Walmart as a distribution channel (not different than something like Amazon), that people are going to have a tough time getting past the whole "Walmart bike" thing.
  • 6 0
 No thanks, already got a sweet NEXXT bike from Walmart
  • 1 0
 Powerclimber gang. Its fast... Especially when the brakes dont work
  • 2 0
 On the flip side: Travis Pastrana and all his crew ride for Hyper. I can see the average Pastrana fan who decides to get into MTB (we're seeing HUGE numbers moving from moto to MTB right now all over the world), going in for a "value" (good spec decent price) bike from Wal-Mart from the same brand that Pastrana and the Nitro Circus boys ride.
  • 2 0
 I thought they all rode for Giant. Multiple times I've seen Travis and others from the Nitro crew on Giant bikes.
  • 1 0
 @melonhead1145:

I know they ride Hyper DJs and BMX (they were all here in Bentonville for a Walmart/hyper deal at one of our pump tracks a year or so ago) but they may have a deal with Giant for MTB.
  • 1 0
 So although it is intriguing that Walmart wants to sells a quality mountain bike, my question is will people actually buy such a buy from Walmart. I mean Walmart generally has the stigma of cheap, low quality goods for a certain demographic. Maybe sale of higher quality good through the e-commerce website has a different stigma/expectation. But still who goes to Walmart.com looking for a multi thousand dollar bicycle...crickets. People go there looking for sub $400 bicycles, not sure this is a good move for Walmart or Hyper. Hyper would be better off selling through a different e-commerce platform.
On the other hand, perhaps Walmart want to improve its image, but in doing so it would be ostracizing its core and loyal demographic. How many Pinkbikers shop Walmart for anything other than maybe groceries and household goods? Sounds like an opportunity for a new poll. Would you buy a quality bicycle from Walmart? Better yet in-store from Walmart? I suspect no, and even more no for the latter.
  • 1 0
 Absolutely if we are talking base model GOOD components (deore, pike, exo tires) with decent enough geometry for $1500. Also, no mtber shops at walmart for mtb parts because they dont carry mtb parts. If they had real tires, pedals, multitools, sealant for a competitive price im sure many would be all over it. BUT, this would essentially be the end of local bikeshops as they likely just wouldnt be able to compete with the prices.
  • 1 0
 @ibishreddin: I'm not sure that $1500 and a descent build full suspension bike belong in that same sentence, nor do I think that is feasible. $1500 is going to yield low-grade components and a cheap frame. Regarding parts, my point exactly, no one shops Wallyworld for mtb parts. When you look at the caliber of products sold in the store (not talking about what's on the e-commerce website, that's it's own animal) it's pretty obvious that Wallyworld isn't targeting any market sector that cares about quality and reliability. Wallworld's whole business strategy is affordability at the expense of quality for households with limited means. Mountain Biking is an expensive sport no matter how you slice it, and the durable goods that riders require are not necessary nor afforable for the 80-90% of riders that shop Walmart, hence selling components of that caliber makes no sense. For the time being, I think bike shops are safe as they have their niche. I have wondered before though if e-commerce giants that did sell components or even full bikes would hurt the bike shops, but that doesn't appear to be true either. Bike shops have come to realize their value proposition is the services their shop can provide (no e-commerce outfit can provide that) and immediate access to some ancilarries, tools and components when in a pinch. Selling bikes and hardware is kind of a lost opportunity for the bike shop, they can't compete with the internet on price in that regard due to overhead costs.
  • 1 0
 Seen a guy with a wall mart full suspension rig. About to head up a rugged trail. Big bag of tools, dialing it in. Tryin his best, tryin to do it. With cheese rims, tires made from asphalt, 40lb rig, bouncy springs. I felt so bad because with his efforts and determination he deserved a rugged hardtail with decent tires and a fork that gets it done. I'd even donate my old rig to get him goin. But i'm not gonna preach, unless I'm asked for help.
  • 1 0
 I did a cruel experiment once. I bought a brand new KHS bike and my buddy bought brand new Walmart bike. We both did a trail together and I was ready to keep doing laps. He and his bike were toast after one run. Suspension and brakes on the Walmart bike were absolutely worthless. That was 10 years ago though, but I can't imagine they're much better now. I've seen the four link suspension but I bet the shock and fork are still garbage pogo machines.
  • 2 0
 Only thing high end at wall mart is the nice lineup of rascals parked at the front for carrying their - ahem - "larger" customers around. Take one for a spin next time u visit!
  • 2 0
 Does this mean that Walmart will also get into the parts market? I wouldn't mind having maxxis tires available at my local walmart.
The current model for the bike part distributors is rubbish!
  • 1 0
 Very doubtful. If they do it'll be e-commerce and it won't be any less expensive than your local bike shop or any other e-commerce option and you have to sheepishly admit to your buddies that you bought your "fill in the blank" from Walmart and you'll feel embarassed.
  • 1 0
 I've seen concerning poor assembly from local bike shops as well for the record, especially in Covid-sell-every-bike-we-can phase. When I worked as a student at Canadian tire I assembled the motorcycles and ATV's with attention to detail, our bike guy who was just a teenager in the upstairs tire storage area tried his best. Like others said, walmart.com is a different thing then the store.
  • 4 0
 I wonder if Walmart would sponsor any events.
  • 38 1
 They basically sponsored the entire town of Bentonville...
  • 4 0
 Besides an entire town?
  • 4 4
 They're hiring big time at pretty dang good wages!! We'll see how they compete w/amazon in next 1-2 years. Makn big push
  • 8 2
 @jrocksdh: 11/hr here. Pretty far from a good wage.
  • 1 0
 @sunringlerider: I think the news is still new, but they recently said they were going to up their minimum pay to $15/hr, with team leaders making up to $32/hr or something like that.
  • 7 1
 @honda50r: Careful. Just because some of the Walton heirs are into mountain biking and decided to invest a small amount of the massive Walmart fortune in the sport (which is praise-worthy enough), doesn't mean Walmart has earned any credit in this.
  • 1 0
 @sunringlerider: So more than an LBS? To keep it context, while we blacklist Walmart and happily whitelist our LBS when the guy in the back is making $3/hr less than Walmart pay...
  • 1 0
 @Jamminator:
When did the lbs put other local small businesses out of business? I happen to the know the wages my lbs guys make and maybe your lbs pays much less but not the case in my community.
  • 1 0
 @chadtague1: Sure up the pay to $15/hr and make sure everyone is a part-time employee struggling to get any modicum of hours. The employee at Walmart always gets screwed.
  • 1 0
 Lol. Yeah right. If anything it'd be a hot dog contest or something else stupid like that.
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam: I'm with you, but it's a step in the right direction. I mean, better than part time and making $7/hr right?
  • 1 0
 @chadtague1: No one said they were hiring Full Time. Knowing Walmart they're hiring a ton of part timers at somewhere between $11-15/hr. It's a case of it depends. Full-time at $7/hr could actually be better than $15/hr and part-time. Part-time means they don't have to provide a benefits package, hence they have a cheap labor force. They'll train part-time people endlessly to not have to pay for full-timers benefits.
  • 1 0
 @sunringlerider: hopefully helps...they often keep the good workers in board.
Lots of news about it...higher pay for e commerce pros...https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/news/2020/09/walmart-hiring-20000-seasonal-workers-at-up-to-2375-an-hour-how-to-apply.html%3foutputType=amp
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam:is it really that hard for you to believe they did something good for a change? Walmart has an image problem that is surely costing them business. This could be the first step to change that image. It's okay to be skeptical but come on... this is one thing they did that on paper is ethical.
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 @chadtague1: Yep it's pretty hard to believe. Walmart does have an image problem, but if they improved their image they would also hurt their core customer base potentially pricing their customers out of the goods they offer. Either you go high end low-volume or low-end high volume. The latter has always been Walmart's market. So as long as there is so much income disparity in America, there will always be a need for likes of Walmart to cater to America's populous with limited means. Not every store needs to be or should be Wholefoods, or a boutique. Walmart just needs to embrace it's established image and target demographic instead of being in denial about it and trying to attract other branches of the commodity market. You can't sell quality for pennies. Regarding ethical moves, the reality of what this move is remains to be seen. Walmart doesn't really have a competitor...maybe Target. If they are losing employees to Target, then yes there is motivator to up their game to retain staff and keep customers. I'm not aware of Walmart losing market share to Target though.
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 @SuperHighBeam: most of the new jobs will be re: walmarts new e.commerce push....therefore, the competition is amazon.
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 @jrocksdh: I guess I didn't pick up on that detail. I'm sure the recruitment and pay for those positions are better than the in-store offerings.
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 Hyper had this video out 2 years ago of the bikes at Crankwork's.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8t0DOhoy5o

There's this video of one being assembled in 2019...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8t0DOhoy5o
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 I've been avoiding adding any more $$$ to the Walton empire. But good for Eric Carter and Hyper bikes...the bike industry still needs price correction.
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 IF they can target the NICA market, thats huge. The high schools around my house have 60+ kids on their teams, more than track & field or cross country.
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 Doesn't Robert Stemen remeber what happened to GT's brand with Halfords.. that was around the time he was working there too according to linkedin
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 I am kinda surprised that Walmart hasn't gone all-in on its outdoor offerings in their stores. Like an REI inside Walmart stores. Where you can get all out outdoor activity needs.
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 It is called Moosejaw.
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 The NICA hardtail could be a game changer, if they do it right. Unfortunately, I'm skeptical they'll do it right.
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 Great, just what we need, more crackheads on high end bikes. Now how are we supposed to convince the police that my bike was in fact stolen, and some pook didn't just ",buy a Walmart bike!"
  • 2 0
 The length of development since they first announced them (2011) should mean they’re going to be the best bike ever. LOL
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 If they are good enough for Porter, Jordy, and Bas they are good enough for me. Just don't know if i wanna support Walmart...
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 Kitted out with in-house Great Value bars and stems
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 This is only going to end well. The returns on these are going to be messed up. All sorts of odd bits and pieces on them.
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 It can't possibly be this company right??? hyperbicycles.com These bikes look like serious doggy doo. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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 Yep, that's it. You have to click on Pro Shop to see the slightly nicer bikes they make. Also the video on Tom Van Steenbergen's page under team is pretty interesting.
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 Hey maybe they can make some money and pay Can Zink already
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 Hyper is the new Mongoose but without the great history.
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 Whatever. Think I remember this being an announcement 8 years ago or something.
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 I think the max $ a Walmart customer thinks of for a pedal bike is 300$.
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 *peddle
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 @youknowitsus: I didn't put a period behind max .
I used a dollar symbol instead of writing dollar.
My grammar and spelling are truly atrocious. I can only hope that by some sublime miracle you could comprehend my comment.
Please accept my sarcastic apology.
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 Can I buy one, shred it to bits for a while, then return it to Walmart? Not that I would.
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 Hyper and "high end mountain bikes" don't exactly go together.
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 Anything to get 'real' bike brands to smarten up with their pricing is a good thing
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 I pretty much don't ever set foot in a walmart and won't be buying bikes from walmart. THem and Amazon don't need my money.
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 ASDA is the new Evans Bikes in the UK!
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 Kev Central is gonna have a field day with this....
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 Obligatory "Support Your LBS" comment.
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 How to ruin a brand in one paragraph.
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 Hyper sounds like a Walmart brand bike
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 Hahahaha
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 Bikes that more people and kids can afford are good for the scene.
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 Does this mean their downhill bike will actually finally be released
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 Perfect year to announce we can shop for our bikes at walmart
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 Sounds like they overcame the SNAFU.
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 This is a bad idea and exposes Hyper's core motivation for doing business , Money . This move can only end badly for local bike shops .
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 Yes, because no business in the industry wants to make money...
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 great Team Walmart they already had a carbon HT for 700 bucks. The Carbon-X 29er. 32 pounds 9 by 1 speed with crap brakes. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmJ1GJmRBIU
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 KevCentral can f*ck off. His videos are one of the worst things in cycling right now. Telling kids that it makes sense to buy a $400 shitbox and upgrade it to the nines with ebay parts. Dude's an idiot of the highest caliber.
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 The crap parts was to meet a price point. Also the price is higher outside the USA because they're subject to import duties a second time. The Hyper-X carbons are like $400USD in the USA but a lot more than just the currency exchange equivalent outside the USA. The frame's themselves are pretty damn light once you dismantle the bike.
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 @sherbet: Right? You can buy a better and more trusty aluminum bike for $600. Will come with better brakes, fork, wheels, tires.. Absolutely nothing that needs changing until it breaks. You're immediately putting money into the bike if you buy the Kev Special.
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 @sherbet: its pretty funny watching him ride off a curb then be like "wow, this 200 dollar bike with 1400 dollars worth of parts rides similar to a 3000 dollar bike".

Gets me every time.
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 Yeah I use his videos occasionally as reference points about improving options in budget bikes for people new to mountain biking who might not want to drop a grand right from the get go on a sport they don't yet know if they'll really enjoy/embrace... but the bikes he starts with most of the time... the hyper carbon at least is a GOOD frame with bad parts to meet a price point. Those hyper hydroform tubeset full suspension $150-300SD bikes on the other hand... don't go ordering fancy name brand new parts for those... putting a low end rockshox fork and X-Fusion shock on it is not going to be better value than ordering a Bolany fork that will work as well (or better) and a DNM shock for less money. If you have bits left over from upgrading your own bike and that you just need a frame/bike to mount them on, then sure buy a cheap box store bike and do the upgrades which are largely just your own labor. Maybe get some bits from Amazon/ebay to round it out.
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 @sherbet: Thank you, someone had to be real. Can you also rip on Seths bike hacks aswell, his "building a huge jump over my driveway" is a slap in the face when you imagine people introducing themselves to the sport believe this is what we do for fun.
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 @deeeight: You're telling me a straight steerer frame with QR dropouts is a good frame? I'm calling nonsense. Thing is shit and I'd rather an alloy bike at that price all day.

As far as Bolany; I'm not touching that mail order hell with a ten foot pole.
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 @sherbet: I meant to post the Walmart ad and the video came up
SORRY
that said it is a piece of crap with ski slope of a head angle.
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 @sherbet: people want to strip it down and upgrade it??? ba ha hahahahaha
71 Degree HA...lol
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flag deeeight (Sep 23, 2020 at 15:11) (Below Threshold)
 @sherbet:

The dropouts are fine, lots of brands have not gone to thru-axles on every single one of their XC frame models. The frame is not straight steerer only either unless you choose to build it as such. Its 44mm zero stack headset cup standard top and bottom, you can put a tapered steerer fork in with the correct EC44 lower headset cup. Same as most major brands are doing for their frames. EVERY RSD for example is a 44mm zero stack cup head tube and they sell them with a cane creek 40 series ZS44/EC44 cup headset.

The full retail walmart Canada retail price for the Hyper Carbon X Sinister 27.5 in 2020 is $799... a comparable alloy 27.5 bike from Rocky Mountain at the same price is the Soul 10. Its also a straight steerer fork, with standard QR skewer dropouts front and back. Comparing the two in actual components... the rocky got a marginally better suspension fork but equal or lower spec everything else other than the brakes (being the bottom end shimano MT200 hydraulics) and rims (WTB ST i23 TCS Tubeless which is an OEM only model) vs cable discs and rims which would need to be gorilla taped to run tubeless on the hyper. Looking over at the Kona website, every single one of their mtb hardtails series from the Kahuna ($1599CDN) down is a standard 10x135 QR rear end except for the chromoly framed Unit and Unit X. But the Units are straight steerer frames (by your thinking) using the 44mm cup ZS head tube top and bottom with a straight 1 1/8 steer rigid fork and the Unit X in particular is $1900

As to Bolany... like rockshox they offer entry level garbage on up... their air spring forks are comparable to RS models like the XC32s, Judy Golds and Recon models. I simply used that brand as an example of a better choice to buy than a bottom end RS as you're not paying an artificial premium for the Rockshox labels. .

So only thing that seems to be nonsense around here is your thinking.
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 Was not aware they were ZS44. Thanks to your incredibly condescending reply, I now know this.

Bolany is still a fresh hell I want nothing to do with. We've had them by the shop, they do not compare to RS in any favourable way.

So in short; yeah it's still a shitbike I want nothing to do with. Thanks for clarifying I guess.
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 @madmon: The carbon one is desirable to upgrade because it comes with nice graphics, has internal cable routing for the rear shifter & brake (its meant to be setup as a 1x), they put the rider weight limit right on a label on the seat tube (its 275 Ibs), and being from an actual known brand you know get a limited lifetime warranty on the frame if bought new. And given that in the USA the complete bikes were $399 for the 26er and $498 for the 29er... and just ordering a plain black frame from ebay of similar spec will be around $250 for a 26er and $300 for a 29er... with no graphics, no warranty, and no idea if there's a rider weight limit... you should be able to figure out why a lot of youtube creators have played around with these bikes. Remember Seth's bike hacks started his content with walmart bikes also. The formula is clearly a winner for content creators. And in the case of the already mentioned kevcentral, not everything he is sweet smelling roses with walmart bikes and he has videos about that also.

As to geometry.... well...the head angle for any frame depends on a particular length of fork. If you have a longer fork, you get a slacker angle. The Carbon 29er blueprints say 71 HA with a 490mm fork length. Now quickly checking some 29er forks I have, a Fox RL32 100mm is about 510mm, a Bolany 32 100mm is about 525, and a Rockshox Reba Race 120mm is about 535mm. 20mm difference in fork length is about a 1 degree change in head angle on a 42 inch wheelbase bike. A 490mm length is basically an 80mm travel 29er fork. The Kona Mahuna 2020 lists a 68 angle with a 506mm length fork and the spec is a Judy Silver TK Air 100mm. Now going to the RS dealer manuals, which show the fork length as actually being 510mm for that model. Now searching that manual for 506 we find the Reba 29er 100mm is that length in the 15x110 thru-axle version as is the SID but no other 29er model they offer is that length.
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 @sherbet:

Well when you come off as a dickwad about a brand you know f*ck all about, you're going to get the condescending reply because clearly you're too much of a moron to do the research yourself.
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 I think it's more that you missed my point while ranting about some garbage. The bike lacks the features that interest me, so I'm uninterested. The idea of buying one and upgrading seems lackluster compared to buying a frame and building it correctly. Worth noting there's nothing on their website indicating the headset standard, so rather hard to research into something that does not seem to be openly published. I see you've taken a more in depth look at this garbage, so I'll trust you're correct on the standards. Go buy your garbage and enjoy it I suppose. Still not interested.
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 @deeeight: i remember friends buying Jamis Dakar bikes in early 2000s so they could strip down for the Shimano drivetrain they paid peanuts for and mount the manitou and Shimano drive on a nice frame like a GT or other great frame with shit parts.
This frame is a nothing burger except for the paint job the reason I almost bought the 26" version a few years ago and then the 27.5 all 3 models they have made look awesome but are adorned with shit. Not worth an upgrade to invest in an old country design that features a 135QR rear drop out and minimum tire clearance with a ski slope of a head tube even if it could handle a tapered fork why bother spending 700 on a new fork to be mounted on a loser design> I think the allure of carbon has gone to your brains I prefer aluminium at anything under 3K. I would not trust this low end carbon frame with my life.
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 @madmon: If you're even considering spending $700 for a new fork for a $400-500 bike or think that I would be spending that sort of money on such a bike frame then you're a complete moron.
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 @deeeight: you are the guy that said to buy this shitty frame and adorn it not me I said burn the friggin devil ship
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 @madmon: Except i never actually said that. I said it was a good frame with crap parts on it. And that youtube creators have taken to using it for project builds to increase their subscribers. But stupid people like you often fail to comprehend what's actually written.
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 I'm gonna add this to legendary shit threads I wish I never got involved in.
  • 1 0
 What about Viathon?!
  • 1 0
 what about them

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