More Randoms - Eurobike 2018

 Notice the divot in the middle of the saddle? That is to provide clearance for a butt plug... Boom! E-bike saddle!

 With an e-bike you can either cruise easily on regular climbs or you can work hard by climbing grades that wouldn't even be rideable without a motor. The saddle is obviously designed with the latter user in mind.

 I got an SQLab saddle (611) but didn't like it. I may not have the right width, which may explain why I have a sharp pain after a few kilometers, but also you don't really know how to sit on it.
According to the notice your sitbones should sit on the upper rear part, but you keep sliding forward in the lower part (which feels awesome until that sharp pain comes after a few km).
This one may be better as it seems that you have to sit on that middle "plateau". Feels like a correction to me.

 I've got a pair and they're pretty good. The new ones are meant grip better which would be a nice improvement.

 Mmmmm, the brown pair for everyday wear to boot.

 Have both last years models, clipless and flat models. Really like both of them. These new ones looks even better.

 Literally greatest marketing move ever that! Thumbs are over rated when riding I have always found too

 We are an SQ Lab dealer and i got the 12° Bars on my PP Shan No.5 and it is really great. Needs a little bit of getting used to it but in the ende your hand is in an more natural position. So far no pain and great riding. Also the Bars are really stiff in combination with an Spank Stem. I love it!

 Does he actually run those bars on his DH bike?

 Hustling pool?

 Loan shark?

 12 degree backsweep is pretty much the standard on BMX bars so no reason why it should feel too strange!

 I'd imagine most bmx bars would feel strange on an mtb...

 @Zany2410: did you have to switch to a longer stem? If so, how much longer?

 @abgs87: yeah it wasnt to bad at all. took me like 3 rides until i didnt noticed it anymore. would go back to 7-8° like the standard bars in mtb

 @speed10: no i didnt. my old bike (stevens sledge L reach452) had not the biggest reach so it was even more compact. but i didnt wanted to get any longer then a 50mm stem. now i got a PP Shan no5 (L/XL reach 480) with a bit bigger reach and i feel just perfect with the 50mm stem.

it also depends on how long you ride your handlebars. the shorter the bars, the less effect of the backsweep you get. i cut the 800 down to ~780.

to answer your question. if you have a small reach (for todays bikes) then i recommend 30mm longer stem. but like everything its personal preference. if you thinking about to get those bars, just buy em and choose a stem afterwards

edit: if it helps iam ~6,1"

 @dingus: not on his Dh but on his trail bike. at his facebook the dh bike has santa cruz handlebars

 I have a syntace bar with 12degree backsweep. Feels great. Riding friends bike with standard backsweep feels strange.

 Their current site doesn't list inseam for shorts, which is a huge pet peeve of mine. Hopefully that will change when these new shorts come out!

Check out the Norrona as another good long slim short www.norrona.com/en-GB/products/fjora/fjora-flex1-shorts-men/?color=7720 though it might be a tight fit to get knee pads under them.

 @alexsin: been using those with kneepads for the last 3 years without any problems! Nice quality, fitt and ventilation!

 3 reasons- first it has a high main pivot. Second is related to the first- they theorize that most bikes have too much chain growth, what some call anti-squat. It helps you pedal better, but can hurt downhill suspension performance since it drags on your rear wheel and rear suspension. Remember Gwins chainless win? He commented that the suspension felt really good, and after that GMBN did some tests where they found that on non-pedally DH runs they could post faster times without a chain. Having lower chain growth by using an idler, in theory, can help emulate that feeling.

Third, and finally, the arguement for putting a high main pivot on the bike is that 29ers are taller wheels, so to keep the bottom bracket height closer to the smaller wheel sizes you have to have more bottom bracket drop, to the point where the BB is lower than the 29er axles. This means you get much less rearward wheel travel for a given amount of chain growth, and in many cases you dont get any rearward movement at all- like having a super steep head tube angle on the front of your bike. The higher pivot, which requires an idler, allows 29ers to have more rearward travel.

 Just because it's a horst link design, doesn't mean it's the same as all the other horst link bikes in the last 10 years. The advantage of the horst link is that it allows designers to influence where the instantaneous center (IC) is. 77Designs made it so the IC is higher than most horst link bikes, which would normally introduce far too much anti squat because of the chain forces, but that is negated by the idler pulley. Basically you need the idler pulley for high pivot bikes, and high pivot bikes are making a resurgence thanks to Pierron and team Commencal at the WC.

 @tgent & @hamncheez: thanks guys! sometimes it's hard to spot a nugget of truth in all the marketing BS surrounding our sport...

 @countzero1101: Very true, especially when everyone is touting "our design is best" with marketing terms. I'm predicting we will see a huge resurgence of high pivot bikes, the rearward axle path is pretty amazing.

 @countzero1101: Maybe check out their videos about designing the bike, presumably they tell you why they chose that design.

 @tgent: the advantage of the 77designz VHP over the current crop of High Pivot bikes is the Horst link design which
1) allows for anti squat values to be tuned with more than just idler positioning. Most of the high pivot bikes I've seen have the idlers concentric to the main pivot and thus have no antisquat built into them. The VHP also has an concentric idler but can create the chain growth/tension from the increasing BB to rear axle that a Horst link pivot creates
2) allows for lower anti rise values than on single pivots. This holds true whether or not the bike is a high pivot bike.

So with the VHP you get
1) a good rear axle path which is the whole point of high pivots
2) without the huge change growth thanks to the idler
3) yet still have enough pedaling efficiency via the higher antisquat not possible on single pivot idler bikes
4) and reduced brake influence on suspension which is also not possible on a single pivot idler bike.
all based on sound reasoning from quantifiable and transparent metrics.

In a world of marketing hype, 77designz has transparently laid out the case for a bike design that optimizes the key kinematic metrics that are generally agreed on in the industry as the main determinants of how the bike rides. Not to say there are other kinematic metrics outside axle path, anti rise, anti squat and pedal kick back which could contribute to a the ride feel but those metrics are as of yet not discovered or widely adopted.

I for one will be selling my sled for one of these as soon as they launch the production version.

 Read this article last night and it helped clear up a lot of the marketing speak surrounding rear suspension. www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/article/ultimate-guide-to-mountain-bike-rear-suspension-systems-50849

 @countzero1101: Wahre Worte!!

 I can't un-see that! An evil bastard you are! Have an upvote

 That Dusenpspeed thing looks like the old GT Fury, just even fatter

 Going by the fact that Alpinestars has even released E-bike specific elbow- and kneepads, this might be a thing we have to deal with quite a bit in the next two years until they find a new trend to milk.
High end bike sales are down and ebike sales are going up. I wouldn´t be suprised if marketing people allready were internally talking about the downfall of mtb and plotting their jump over to e-biking.

 @Loki87: uggghh seriously, so like moto pads? Yeah i'm sure you are right, sales around my part of Canada are on the rise, more so for older people who are fresh retirees and still active enough to ride but not fit enough to really ride a pedal bike. Things will only get worse with the improvement of battery technology. For now lets continue to use ridicule and our wallets to resist!

 @map-guy:
Nope not moto pads. Just regular pads...labeled as "e-pads" -.-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiH2ajsCfRE
Starts at 1:50min

 @Loki87: Haha e-pads, next time I see an e-biker i'm going to ask if they're wearing their e-pad! Thanks!

 @map-guy:
Apple´s probably gonna sue whoever releases pads with that name ;-)

 @Loki87: haha tag me when you find a e-specific chamois!

 @map-guy: www.innata-ebike.it/classes/chamois-t-3
Does this count?

 @Loki87: Haha sorta does!

 @map-guy: e-panties?

 @davec113: At this rate anything goes!

 I like where your head is at

 shakra aligment...

 Are they anywhere if "out of stock"

 Less maintenance?

 Ibis did this with the Tranny and can only assume people were not buying it because is no longer on their lineup

 if I'm running single speed i want moar noise

noisy bike = you are pro

 The frame has to be made to be able to accommodate it, the belt can't be broken for installation like a chain can.
I think the bigger question is why do they have eggbeaters on a bmx bike?

 Let me clarify, you know this thing you ride on when you do mountain biking? Mud, clay, soil, sand? It will get between the belt and the cogs. Thank you and have a nice day for those who think we are opressed by hegemonic industry using outdated solutions to make more money.

 @WAKIdesigns: and then when it does, you spray it with a garden hose instead of spending a 1/2 hour degreasing, cleaning, and relubing your chain, as is usual after a dirty ride.

Yes, less maintenance.

 @WAKIdesigns: It doesn't though. The raised teeth of the belt do not touch the cog - it is the gaps between the teeth that sit on the teeth of the cogs/rings. Any mud etc. that gets on the belt or cogs/rings is pushed into spaces in the cogs/rings. Google images of 'gates belt drive cogs' and you'll see what I mean.

 @mjcutri: Have you ever been to or watched a BMX race? You'll have a very hard time finding anyone beyond a few outliers running flats.

I've yet to try a belt drive, but have heard fromfolks that have that the design purges mud, sand, snow etc. really well. The problems I have heard associated with the belt are that it cannot deal with a stick or small rocks getting in there at all and can quickly lead to a broken belt, and the precise tension and alignment requirements present some other challenges.

 @mjcutri: Looks like a race bike. Long stays for the stability at speed. Eggbeaters because racers clip in.

If you mean: why eggbeaters and not mallets or something more 'DH' - or something Shimano - then yeah, I dunno.

 @mnorris122: Degreasing is an exercise in futility, promoted by companies selling cleaning products. KMC explicitly says on their website never to degrease their chains.
www.kmcchain.eu/MAINTENANCE
I've switched over to a 5 min wipe-lube-wipe several years ago and noticed no difference in drive-train wear.

 @mmmitch: because weight! BMX racers can be some of the biggest weight-weenies

 They have a strange feel the belt has a lot more give than a chain.

 Im guessing this solution is harder to implement on a bike with longer chainstays, like a 26, 650b, or 29er

 @hamncheez: trek stache

 @Chris97a: The Stache is different, with an elevated chainstay instead of moving the seatstay. Elevated chainstays have been done many times over the decades but they often have trouble with flex under hard pedaling, and that won't do for a BMX race bike or for a belt drive

 Hey @MortifiedPenguin
The Reset Helmet is available from XXS to XXL - the size chart is available on the website.
Cheers

 @timlake: Troy Lee makes L-XXL helmets, too, as far as I remember. Glad to hear I'm not alone with my troubles finding a proper lid for that big head of mine...

 The majority of Racing BMX riders are on SPD pedals. That ones is not street!

 From his Instagram it doesn’t appear that he was running those bars on his downhill bike

 I’d like to try them. My favorite bars so far at 9* back, and that’s the most I’ve used so far

 A few years ago a mate left his raleigh burner replica bmx at mine for a couple of months while he was away, so obviously I used it to ride about town on. The bars had shit loads of sweep on them and it felt really odd at first, but i got used to it after a few days. By the time I gave it back I could hop and manual it just as well as any bmx, and tbh it felt a bit weird going back to a normal bar. For about 10 mins... But yeah, it wasn't really a problem. It was quite comfortable.

 @gabriel-mission9:
Not arguing riding for comfort. I’m talking about aggressive dirt rides! But to each their own.
I have tried so many types of bars, and found less sweep and flatter “grip rise” to be better for aggressive riding. Even my Mankind BMX bars are on 2* up x 10* back and that feels like a lot of backsweep, that’s coming from Odyssey 12* backsweep.

 oh i rode this thing quite aggressively. but yeah im not sure how it'd translate to offroad riding. ive always liked bars with more upsweep on bmxs, but offroad i basically use renthal on everything. Or gusset S2's which are basically the same geo.