Media Days Randoms I: Paul Finally Finds a Bike That's Too Big - Eurobike Media Days

Jul 7, 2018
by Paul Aston  
Nicolai's Monster XXL G13

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It's rare that a frame makes 29" wheels look tiny..


Nicolai has been integral in the massive reach movement. As every bike is handmade in Germany, they have been offering custom sized bikes for years and after a few orders from double-extra-tall people, they now offer some whopping XXL sizes off the shelf. This G13 has a 550mm reach, a 170mm tall headtube, 457mm chainstay and a 1363mm wheelbase, the only bike we can find any bigger is the XXL eMTB from the same brand which has even longer chainstays and wheelbase.


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World record 170mm headtube

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Paul Aston can finally stop moaning about bikes being too short.
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The 'Mutator' link can be changed to adjust the chainstay length.

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Little and large, XXL vs S



ION's Updated Raid Shoes and Traze AM Kit

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The Raid series of shoes have been updated for 2019, the asymmetrical design with added padding on the crank side stays the same but their sole concept has changed. Andi Lipp from Ion says they wanted to retain the "sporty" fit and direct and precise feel, but the sole concept needed to be revised, through testing they found that the rubber compound midsole and also the insole all work to create grip and damping. The result is a new combination of stickier rubber, softer mid-sole and more cushion on the insole: "Pin-tonic sole concept." Three will be three levels Raid 2, €99 Raid Amp2 €125, and Raid Select which is full leather €180.


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It's hard to think about wet-weather riding at the moment, but winter is coming—even in the heat of summer. The new Traze AM three layer shorts have fully taped seams and a 20k waterproof rating. This is kit can be matched to the two-layer breathable fabric shirt. Lipp says it's for those who want to ride in the wet, but have a dry ass. It is only water resistant but should keep the worst of trail spray off you when shredding park laps. Priced at €120 and €80 respectively.


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The Traze AM shirt has water-resistant fabric, and a high-cut collar to keep out rain and mud.



Kona's Mini Process 24" and Carbon and Steel Honzo's

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Kona's Mini Process 24" is aimed at kids who want to go full enduro, and train their little legs pushing this 33lb bike up the hill. And being so overbuilt, they won't be smashing it to pieces when they take it to the skate park or dirt jumps.



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The Big Honzo CR is and all new desgin from Kona, featuring some funky carbon tubing on the seatstays and a dropped chainstay.


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One for the steel-is-real fans, the Honza ST is back and really has that "je ne sais quoi." A great silvery paint finish, horizontal sliding dropouts for the single-speeders, and big wheels.


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Shimano Four Piston Deore Brakes?

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We spotted a Shimano 4-piston caliper and lever on a city bike that looked like a Deore-level brake. I have been a big fan of the two-piston versions in the past, offering great performance at a tiny price. No word from Shimano about this version but higher brake power available at a low price point is always welcomed.



Syncros Guide Kit

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Syncros have a new 'Guide Kit' which is a roll-up tool pouch that can comfortably fit in your pocket. It includes a mini-ratchet, 5nm torque wrench adaptor and all the socket bits you might need. There are also tire levers, a chain tool and quick-link storage. It's a compact kit with a high-quality feel and costs €80.


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Scott's New Ramp System

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Scott have long been fans of developing suspension systems for their bikes and putting more levers on the bars, going way back to the first travel adjusting Ransom. They have upgraded versions of the Nude shocks (developed in collaboration with Fox) on the Genius platforms that now have larger air volume to keep it more consistent over longer runs. The new Ramp System means that riders can flick the switch on the main shock body to simulate adding or removing volume spacers on the fly. Use the more linear mode for trail riding then flick to the more progressive mode when dropping into jumps or for bike park trails. The Ramp System only affects the descend mode, leaving the other options of Traction Control or lockout that is controlled by an updated TwinLock handlebar lever.


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The TwinLoc lever has also been updated to be more streamlined on the Ramp System spec's Genius bikes for 2019


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Unfortunatly these Sportshield retro-glasses are for Scott employees and riders only to celebrate their 60-year anniversary when they launched their first ski-pole. They are not just for show as they use Scott's top of the line Cat 3 red chrome lenses.


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105 Comments

  • + 32
 I love the look of the Scott Genius and it would probably be a top contender for my next bike if it didn't have that stupid twinloc. The last thing I want is more levers and cables on my bars especially when they interfere with a dropper post lever. Scott, please offer a version without twinloc.
  • + 20
 You can just take it off. I usually disconnect the fork, then it climbs really well in Traction or locked mode as the rear rides higher in the travel and fork sags more.
  • + 2
 My boss got 2 of them to rent some time ago. They were very fragile compared to any recent bike He offer to rent. The ride is nice but not a bike you can abuse over and over. It was always something broke in the bike,the rear end has some issues with some bolts. In the other hand,the gambler is like a tank,that bike ride like a tank and can survive anything you throw at.
  • + 16
 The genius has more switches and levers than the Millennium Falcon.
  • - 3
 I agree. It's too bad because the Spark is a really rad XC bike, and Genius is a great all around trail bike, but no way from me. If you trim a grip shifter in half & hook it up to just the shock, you can keep atleast 2 modes depending on which gripshifter, and remove the huge twinloc. Mount the sawed in half gripshfiter between your brake lever / dropper lever & grip
  • + 5
 Clearly you haven't ridden a bike with Twinloc. It's an amazing feature that I wish more companies would integrate into their bikes.
  • - 2
 @paulaston: yes but its reached the point of stupidity with Scott, their dropper post lever is integrated as one of the group clamps
  • + 2
 @dingus: really it’s one thing extra. Everyone already ditched the front shifter does having levers on bars really affect the average rider or is it just about being clean? If your doing barspins or no handers than you have reason to unclutter the bars. Otherwise I’m at a loss as to why something that helps you ride could be a negative at the cost of a lever that properly set up should never be in the way.
  • + 21
 I expected 45 deg head angle and 750 reach.
  • + 5
 Or fit a cabin size luggage inside front triangle.
  • + 7
 @chyu: or 8 water bottles
  • + 4
 I expected 45 switches and 750 settings
  • + 6
 And a guy that comes by every Tuesday and adds another 15mm to the TT.
  • + 2
 @chyu: one gallon sized water bottle. Man, the shock looks ridiculous small
  • + 2
 My Canyon Spectral XL has the same 170mm head tube, so not THAT enormous.
  • + 2
 With 880mm bars.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Aston has like 2 Bro-ny tails and 4 - 6 water bottles on every ride. He will ride that bike and declare that the new minimum reach for a medium trail bike ????
  • + 4
 It's great to see trickle-down tech coming down to the big-power stoppers as well. Tektro's new Orion 4P is another one that comes to mind. Here's hoping manufacturers start putting these on their entry level aggressive bikes, as for the most part, brakes are usually the lowest tier component, at least with non-online based brands.
  • + 7
 HOW MANY WATER BOTTLES FIT IN THAT 29 FRAME THO?!
  • + 11
 ALL OF THEM!!
  • + 2
 NOT ENOUGH!
  • + 2
 Everything is cheaper than your kid playing hockey. Trust me, my kid plays poor peoples hockey in the rec league...and in the rec league, the travel league parents dont talk with you because you dont have a fucking retarded travel team cool guy jacket. so your not in their lame ass hockey parent club. FYI, get your kid a DB Line 24. Its great, non expensive legit mountain bike. A bunch of us got them for our kids and they are pretty bad ass bikes.
  • + 6
 That kona 24 is heavier than than my suppressor with a coil shock.
  • + 1
 It’s only 5.5 lbs lighter than an aluminum dh bike. That’s a lot I know, but hopefully it translates into teenager proof.
  • + 1
 My sons 24 bike was 26lb @loganm2977:
  • + 1
 It's for them kids anyway. They have to work their way for lighter bikes.
  • + 1
 I just built up an XL Pole Evolink and it was only a pound heavier than that kids bike.
  • + 3
 I love the Honzo, but what is the purpose of that dropped chainstay? It seems like a great way for chain slap to destroy the carbon frame. Why not drop the non chainstay side instead?
  • + 6
 Chainring and chain clearance for plus sized tires without extending the wheelbase or changing the q factor, the same reason they do it on gravel bikes and why they use elevated chainstays on a few of the midfat bikes.
  • + 5
 It's dropped to squeeze in the widest rubber on the shortest chainstay, while giving decent chainring clearance.
  • + 1
 @CyclingAbout: cool, I thought it must be there for a reason! Thanks for the replies Smile
  • + 0
 It gives more give to them thus making the bike more comfortable in a seated position because the angle is not as steep. You can find designes like this on newer road bikes.
  • + 4
 no way am I wearing a shirt that makes me look like a waterproof nurse
  • + 3
 But imagine how popular you’d be
  • + 4
 That XXL makes those 29 wheels look like 26. Nuts!
  • + 2
 He needs a 36er with ULTRABOOST spacing
  • + 5
 @j-t-g: Do not give them ideas.
  • + 0
 @j-t-g: ...and then a year after that, they'll upgrade that standard to SUPER Ultraboost.
  • + 4
 @j-t-g: Well, there's already fatbike hubs at 177 and 197mm. So I'm guessing ULTRABOOST will be 168mm, then Super ULTRABOOST will be 177. Then MEGABOOST will be a88, and finally ULTRASUPERMEGABOOST will be 197.
  • + 1
 @Losifer:

You forgot ultra mega supermarket boost plus DUB, 197.99
  • + 4
 Shit Brett Hart finally has a new sponsor for his sunnies!!
  • + 3
 33 lb bike for a little kid...might make them hate riding...when dad's bike weighs 28 lbs
  • + 2
 That Syncros tool kit is almost identical to the Topeak Ratchet Rocket Lite NTX, except the Topeak comes with 4/5/6 torque bits and a socket extension.
  • + 4
 You can update and streamline the Twinloc lever by getting rid of it
  • + 1
 I think I have that measurement of the Nicolai's headtube beat. On my GT LTS 1 20" frame. It's a monster.
I have a G13 in its X Longest flavour. One hell of a bike. The only frame which has felt like it fits me properly.
  • + 3
 too bad us consumers can't get a hold of Scott's very own pit vipers
  • + 10
 I know opinions are like assholes, everyone has their own. But man, those things were fugly in the 80s and they still remain fugly.
  • + 3
 @southoftheborder: there still pretty ugly but I'd still wear them
  • + 2
 Those fancy expensive shorts... because I wear shorts while winter biking... Razz
  • + 1
 The Shimano brake levers look like the outgoing Saint levers without the gold cap. I guess now you can get a Saint for 20Euro?
  • + 3
 I want a picture of Troy Brosnan standing next to that Nicolai
  • + 1
 @paulaston Canyon Spectral in XXL also has 170mm head tube and it looks like shit on a small bike like that.
  • + 1
 the new v3 santa cruz 5010 also has a 170mm headtube in xl size
  • + 2
 Nice to see more bud clearance on the Honzo!
  • + 3
 @Doublejj Probably not a good place to hold your stash.
  • + 1
 The real news on Eurobike is Rotor's 13 speed hydraulic groupset. Get on it!
  • + 2
 Syncros Guide Kit = Topeak Ratchet Rocket, 10 years later...
  • + 2
 Also with fewer tools.
  • + 0
 Geometron bikes are not too big they are perfect sized and comfortable. After my GLF same sized carbine fills like bike from 90s too short to step and high
  • + 4
 haha no one will believe you until they ride one Enjoy it!
  • + 1
 I swear that the first iteration of the Blur LT back in 2004 or so has a longer heat tube.
  • + 2
 Kinda meh on the steel honzo finish.
  • + 1
 Looks like last years model...
  • + 1
 The Honzo CR's issue was always tire clearance. Can you fit a proper 29x2.5WT back there yet?
  • + 1
 There is virtually no difference in width of WT and non WT version. I have both. If you cannot fit WT without rubbing then non WT will be fkd anyways. A bit of casing warp, bigger hit to the rim and off you go for rubbing noises
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Whatever. It needs to fit big tires.
  • + 1
 Honzo CR finally has the much needed chainguide tabs they left off the 2017 model!! The world truly is a better place now.
  • + 2
 Make a kids bike for adults.
With 26 inch wheelsWink
  • + 2
 Go buy the 167 in the deals article
  • + 1
 I guess Scott isn’t worried about heat build up on that shock !?
  • + 1
 Nicolai is making linebacker sized bikes
  • - 2
 Would you even consider having fun riding a 80lb bike ? Kona did it for your kids. 33lb Bike for your 50-60lb kid.
Kona, go back to school, stop your F&ç&/%* marketing and make real bikes for kids....
  • + 17
 Bet kids still love it
  • + 8
 Judging by your comment, (and that you have yeti in your username... kidding) I guess you're one to buy carbon wonderbikes for your little one(s), so they are light, fun, fashionable, and enduro? Yeah, it seems a little heavy, but it's still a nice bike... can't be much worse than most kids bike I've seen... cheap overbuilt steel/aluminum... those are heavy!
  • + 2
 Kids might like it, until they ride my kids Spawn bike or a custom Ripcord or a Trailcraft Maxwell. All really light and more capable with better spec. Happens once week when some poor kid shows up with a Spesh Riprock or Kona and they ditch it on the ground and take turns on our bikes. Sad that decent companies don't invest in the kids when they easily could. It's getting better as cheaper Airshocks have come out tho. Still 30lbs+ is common.
  • + 12
 No man, kids have amazing strength to weight ratios. Have you ever seen a child fly across monkey bars or climb a climbing wall? They're incredible little muscle machines. It's nice that it's a little on the heavy side. It might allow for parents to keep up.
  • + 10
 A 1974 Schwinn Stingray 5 speed weighed 41 lbs. Kids rode the crap outta those things. I'm not saying that weight was a good thing... My 1978 Schwinn Traveler III 10 speed weighed 32 lbs and was considered a lightweight bike. 33 lbs for a kids full suspension bike that won't break seems like a deal to me.
  • + 2
 i agree. Its way too heavy. Insanely so. My 8yr old is now tall enough to comfortably ride a small framed 26”, jumping it etc. It weighs about 25lbs and is built up from old garage bits and an old hardrock 13” frame from ebay. Even that is a bit heavy for a kid. 24” bikes are for 6-9 year olds at best. 33lbs is a tank.
  • + 11
 Do you expect them to be able to make a 24” full suspension bike 10lbs and offer it a competitive price? You can go back to school. Also stop having kids, problem solved.
  • + 17
 I have a solution of how not to have a 33lb kids bike: pull out...
  • + 6
 You should see what the kids in Bellingham are sending. Not overbuilt at all.
  • + 1
 I bet that many of the excessive weight come from tires...if not that bike is ballast to glue the kid to the ground! 33lb is the weight of my actual bike,a 2017 Jekyll 2 and heavier than my previous 26" Jekyll by far.
  • + 7
 Kids don't care. I would much rather be a kid with a shitty bike, than an adult with a perfect bike.
  • + 2
 Time for kids e-beiks
  • + 12
 The same people bitching about this bike being too heavy are the same ones who bitch about light weight kid's bikes costing $4,000. That Kona even makes this bike shows that they care about groms having fun on bikes. At the same time, they're also trying not to piss off parents with sticker shock.

Light, cheap, durable. Pick two and stop whining.
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe: pfff it’s already happening. Athough I’d rather buy my kid one of those little E-motos.

I find it extremely strange for the bikes to weigh so much, they should be able to find tubing that wouldn’t take the frame beyond 2 kg incl. shock considering my Blur TRc weighed 2.3kg inc. shock and was a damn strong frame. I guess they run on the budget stuff so the cassette and rear hub weigh 1lbs each, rims surely weigh 1lbs too, straight gauge spokes and the fork goes at 4,5lbs. Heavy bars, stem and saddle. Crankset and BB will weigh a ton too. Kenda tyres are a cherry on the pie.

I couldn’t believe how heavy is my daughters Meta 20”. I will defo not buy their 24” version. It’s better to buy lightest and cheapest frame/ fork combo (like Orbea) and build the rest myself. Crests 24”, Schwalbes, 9 or 10sp XT.
  • + 1
 Thxs to all for your comments but none of you really answered my main question : "Would you even consider having fun riding a 80lb bike ?" But I guess, I got my reply with the lsat 36lb enduro bike tested that everyone bashed (Commencal 29" to name it). So, I'm not sure to understand that for us such a bike is not an option, but when this is our a kid which is 2-3 times less than, this is enough... I miss something here.
This bike will probably cost around 1500 bucks and except if you live close to a bikepark, your kid will probably never climb a small mountain, not even a small hill with it. For downhill, this bike won't help him neither to learn anything. Too heavy. At that price, I'd better buy a high end hardtail like a vpace, trailcarft or a custom early rider or whatever, we are lucky to have so many good options now. You put "enduro" on something, and everyone get crazy about it.Maybe you guys hope your kid will be a king at bikepark, this dreamy bikepark where you go once a year...
I'm sad to see always the same cliché about kid's bikes. "They are just kids, they can ride shit." Our kids deserve better than this. To go in the street or if they are not really interested, sure they can ride a shit bike. But if they have fun in the mountain, if they have to climb their hill, what about offering them a proper bike ?
Then, just a few more questions for you : how much do you ride your bike ? How much did you pay for your bike ? How long do you keep your bike ? Then ask yourself the same questions for your kid ?
This is not just a question of weight ratio...
They are plenty of excellent & not that expensive options for kids at 500-600$ bucks, so when I see silly bikes like this kona one, that makes me crazy...
  • + 3
 @yeti115: I agree with you for the most part. There are two exceptions though. One is the alpha parent that buys stuff for their kid because they are in some part trying to relive their youth through them. Their kids would probably be happier with a pass to the water park.
The other exception is the child that likes to come home from school everyday and launch their bike off of the garden shed to the flat driveway. You a few of these kids in just about every town. I give Kona props to address this and give a bike that doesn't cost mega. When this type of bike is outgrown then they are easy sells and you can get some money out of them.
  • + 1
 @RLEnglish: or keep it to pass on to a cousin or younger sibling. That Kona looks rad and at that weight should be teenaged huckster proof.
  • + 1
 @RLEnglish:
Are you really serious about getting a bikepark bike which will probably cost you more than 1000$ just for your kid to go to school ?
Trust me, you'd better buy a cheap, light and reliable BMX... Your kid will have much more fun and he will learn good basics at riding even by just playing.

PS : I'm still waiting for a brave man to ride a 80lb bike to the top of a hill. I you a beer or two at the top !
  • + 1
 @yeti115: My kid can use his paper route money to buy whatever bike he wants. A cheap Ht would suit him fine.
You don't know the kind of kid I'm talking about do you. We have local shredders that would destroy a regular Ht in a week. Not very many of them but they are out there.
If a kid is that into it then trust me it's cheaper than Hockey, Football, Moto.
  • + 1
 @yeti115: You haven't answered the part about launching selves off of sketchy homemade stuff, the roof, bike park stuff, whatever. Sometimes there isn't a substitute for rear suspension, and well-built, capable, yes... burly bikes at that.
  • + 1
 @yeti115: There's no point in talking about 80lb adult bikes that don't exist. The question is what can families afford for their children so they can ride bikes together? This Kona is far from ideal, but it is a real option that (some) families can afford. Is it a compromise, most definitely. But at the same time the lighter weight, full-suspension kid's bikes that a small child can properly manage are far too expensive for most families to even consider.

At the end of the day, just because a bike is a "kid's bike" it's not any cheaper to produce than an adult bike. This is the main problem with all kid's equipment and why most brands don't even go down that road because it ends up usually being a money loser for the company in order to sell it a price point that parents will buy it at.

Kona knows damn well what they are doing- they're just stuck in a catch 22 where people like you will complain about whichever path they take. A cheap bike that families can afford? "OMFG that's way too heavy you idiots! Pull your heads out of your asses!!" An actual light weight bike that kids can properly manage? "WTF such a bike for dentist's children, only rich idiots would buy that for their kids!"

Case in point:
www.pinkbike.com/news/meekboyzs-carbon-fiber-kids-bikes-crankworx-whistler-2017.html
  • + 3
 So you’re mad about the weight. Answer me this, would you buy a $10,000 bike for your kid if it was 20 lbs?

And to answer your question, no i wouldn't have a whole lot of fun on an 80lb bike compared to what i currently ride. But i would have a frig ton more fun on an 80 lb bike than on no bike. I bet any kid would agree.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: is a good way to put together a kids bike,maybe take and old S or XS trail or enduro frame and build from scratch. I work with an uplift company and sometimes 2 sisters come to ride. The oldest one just ride a regular bike,but the little one rides an old Intense enduro bike very well put together with CF old parts and light tires on it. The bike is so light she can put it on the trailer or manipulate the bike well. She can pedal that bike well too,only needs some help when she is pushing the bike walking in some steep areas. I´m waiting to put my niece on a CG push bike cos she is too little now...Kids are awesome!
  • + 1
 @loganm2977: just throw some box bars on it and it’s a slope style bike
  • + 1
 Pinkbike! You've committed the possessive apostrophe sin!
  • + 1
 Pretty sure that's a contraction. Big Grin
  • + 1
 Im sure too
  • + 1
 That XXL is insane Eek
  • - 3
 I bought those new deore brakes for me and my son...are they really 4 piston? If so I never knew that
  • + 6
 i'm sure the ones you bought aren't.
  • + 2
 How are we supposed to know what you bought. Go look dummy.

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