Everything You Need to Know About RockShox's Redesigned 2023 Forks & Shocks

May 26, 2022
by Matt Beer  


As you may have guessed from the feature-laden appearance of the electronically controlled RockShox Flight Attendant series forks released earlier this year, revamped suspension components without batteries might soon follow. In comes a new Pike and Lyrik chassis design, packed with some of the features on the Flight Attendant equipment, but the ZEB wasn't forgotten about either. All of those forks also see a redesigned damper, plus they get the mechanical bonuses found on the Flight Attendant chassis.

Not limited to the front end of the bike, a slew of rear shocks are also on the 2023 menu, including a Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate shock with a separate threshold piston, and its DH slbling with externally adjustable hydraulic bottom out control. The most notable change internally is the separation of high and low-speed compression adjustments and greater bushing overlap, while externally the body of the coil shocks are 21% stronger.




Fork Chassis and Overview

What’s different about RockShox Ultimate level forks now, besides the sharper lines of the Pike and Lyrik lower leg assembly and crown-steerer unit (CSU) that mimic the ZEB? Basically everything. The technologies are the same across the Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB Ulitmate series, however, there are tweaks to the air spring volumes and chassis design to tailor each fork’s stiffness to their ideal use case. Both the Pike and Lyrik keep their 35 mm stanchions, while the ZEB chassis remains virtually unchanged, with the exception of pressure relief valves on the back of the lower legs, now found on all premium fork models.

To better differentiate the segments for each fork, RockShox limited the travel on the new Pike and Lyrik, allowing them to optimize the chassis stiffness to weight ratio conducive to the types of bikes they will be mounted to - that included the air springs too. The travel numbers range from 120-140mm and 140-160mm in 10mm steps and will require set-length air springs to change the travel. Only the ZEB, where the chassis carries over and retains the wider bracket of 160-190mm - it was only two years ago when it debuted.





Pike Ultimate Details

• Travel options: 120, 130, 140 mm
• Redesigned 35 mm stanchion chassis
• Charger 3 features an all-new Internal Floating Piston (IFP)
• High-speed compression, low-speed compression, and low-speed rebound
• ButterCups on air and damper shafts
• DebonAir+ air spring with increased air volume
• Ultimate Bushing Package maximizes bushing overlap
• Pressure Relief Valves release air build-up in the lower legs
• Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• Gloss Black or Signature Gloss Silver colors
• RockShox bolt-on fender sold separately
• MSRP: $1,054, €1,139*, £1,017* (*inc. VAT)






Lyrik Ultimate Details

• Travel options: 140, 150, 160 mm
• Redesigned 35mm stanchion chassis
• Charger 3 features an all-new Internal Floating Piston (IFP)
• High-speed compression, low-speed compression, and low-speed rebound
• ButterCups on air and damper shafts
• DebonAir+ air spring with increased air volume
• Ultimate Bushing Package maximizes bushing overlap
• Pressure Relief Valves release air build-up in the lower legs
• Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• Gloss Black or Signature “Heavy Meadow” colors
• RockShox bolt-on fender sold separately
• MSRP: $1,107, €1,196*, £ 1,069* (*inc. VAT)






ZEB Ultimate Details

• Travel options: 160, 170, 180, 190 mm
• 38mm chassis
• Charger 3 features an all-new Internal Floating Piston (IFP)
• High-speed compression, low-speed compression, and low-speed rebound
• ButterCups on air and damper shafts
• DebonAir+ air spring with increased air volume
• Ultimate Bushing Package maximizes bushing overlap
• Pressure Relief Valves release air build-up in the lower legs
• Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• Gloss Black or Signature Slab Grey colors
• RockShox bolt-on fender sold separately
• MSRP: $1,159, €1,253*, £1,119* (*inc. VAT)






Charger 3 Damper

RockShox started with a clean slate when they approached the damper design of the Charger 3 and favored the IFP style for its ability to purge oil through a port in the damper. This also allowed the engineers to “decouple” the high and low-speed compression, keeping each adjustment independent of one another - “no compromises,” as they say. Normally, one would affect the other slightly and therefore change characteristics riders weren’t intending to alter.

All Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB Ultimates and Select+ forks come standard with the Charger 3. The damper is retrofitable with any ZEB because that CSU hasn’t changed, but otherwise will only fit 2023 Pikes and Lyriks. There are 15 clicks of LSC, 5 clicks of HSC, 18 clicks of rebound adjustment and at this time no custom tuning is available because RockShox believes that each click is a large enough change and the range of damping will suit all rider weights and styles. A ton of effort also went into making the Charger 3 as quiet as possible and part of that success is backed by Maxima's Plush damping fluid.

Even though the bleed procedure has changed because of the new damper, no new tools are needed to rebuild the Charger 3 and all of the service tutorials can be found on the RockShox website.




ButterCups

These magic little elastomers that sit at the bottom end of the damper and air spring to smooth out the transition of forces into those components as the fork begins to move into the travel. They reduce high-frequenecy vibrations by 20% and that isn’t a number that RockShox simply made up - the testing team measured such a thing with sensors.

ButterCups offer 4mm of plush movement to the suspension and are exclusive for the same grouping of forks that the Charger 3 damper fits: 2023 Pike and Lyriks, and 2021+ ZEBs. A set of ButterCups adds roughly 40-grams to the fork, but the new Pike and Lyrik have dropped in weight overall.





DebonAir+ Spring

Equipped on all 2023 Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB forks, the all-aluminum DebonAir+ spring has a larger volume than its predecessor DebonAir C1 air spring with a focus on improved small bump absorption and a higher ride height. The new spring is loaded with a ButterCup bumper and can also be installed on 2021+ ZEBs.





Pressure Relief Valves

These trick little buttons release any unwanted pressure built up inside the fork either during elevation or temperature change to keep things running as sensitive as possible. Think your fork needs a burp because it's feeling stiffer? Simply blip the valves with a rag to absorb any residual oil and things should feel normal again. They sit above the upper bushing and are durable in the sense that they will not ingest any dirt or water, plus the 2023 Select and Base model forks (Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB) can be upgraded to accept the Pressure Relief Valves.




Ultimate Bushing Package and Hub Stiffeners

At the Ultimate level, the bushing length in the lower fork legs has been in creased by 53%. That is said to give better support for the stanchions, reducing friction and distributing the load where the leg and bushing meet. With that in mind, the Ulitmate level bushings are sized and installed at the factory for 2023 forks only, so you will need new lowers for a Select level fork to achieve this upgrade.

Torque Caps are still in play with a larger, specific RockShox standard machined surface, but for a smaller diameter, generic hub end caps there are now bolt-on options to mimic that idea.





Shock Overview

Within the RockShox rear shock family there are four Deluxe Ultimate rear shocks, two air and two coil-sprung rear shocks. Ultimate basically stands for "available in the aftermarket" or seen as an upgrade to the current bike, though some top end bikes might even come equipped with these. Three of those are Super Deluxe which include added features like a high speed compression adjuster and the two coil versions have optional Hydraulic Bottom Out controls with five clicks of adjustment to smooth out the last 20% of the travel. Other attributes of the Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil shocks use a 21% stronger body with increased bushing overlap.



Deluxe Ultimate Details

• Independent low-speed and rebound adjustments
• DebonAir+ air spring with adjustable negative and positive air volume
• Wider range of rebound adjustment than previously
• Castled bottom out bumper
• Increased bushing overlap
• Lever toggles between Open and Threshold compression pistons
• Maxima Plush Dynamic Suspension Lube reduces friction
• MSRP: $399, €431*, £385* (*inc. VAT)







Super Deluxe Ultimate Details

• RC2T Damper with independent high and low-speed adjustments
• DebonAir+ air spring with adjustable negative and positive air volume
• Optional Hydraulic Bottom Out
• 15 clicks of rebound adjustment
• Castled bottom out bumper
• Increased bushing overlap
• Separate and independent Open and Threshold pistons
• Maxima Plush Dynamic Suspension Lube reduces friction
• MSRP: $599, €648*, £ 578* (*inc. VAT)






Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate Details

• RC2T Damper with independent high and low-speed adjustments
• Optional adjustable Hydraulic Bottom Out with five different compression settings
• Redesigned chassis is 21% stronger
• Increased bushing overlap
• 20 clicks of rebound adjustment Separate and independent Open and Threshold pistons
• External adjustments allow for no-fuss tuning on the fly
• BoXXer Red and Signature color matching decal options
• Maxima plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• MSRP: $ 549, € 594*, £ 530* (*inc. VAT)






Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate DH Details

• RC2 Damper with independent high and low-speed adjustments
• Optional Hydraulic Bottom Out with five different settings
• Redesigned chassis is 21% stronger
• Increased bushing overlap
• 20 clicks of rebound adjustment
• External adjustments allow for no-fuss tuning on the fly
• BoXXer Red and Signature color matching decal options
• Maxima plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• MSRP: $ 499, € 539*, £ 482* (*inc. VAT)






Hydraulic Bottom Out

Unlike adding volume spacers to an air shock to change the progression of the spring rate, a hydraulic bottom out adjuster is used to tweak the compression damping as the shock goes through the last 20% of its travel. A small needle blocks the flow of oil to increase the compression damping to dissipate energy and reduce air spring "ramp up." This means that the rebound damping is not affected, so you get best of both worlds; a cushion to alleviate harsh bottom outs without the kickback or an increasing spring rate at the end of the travel. The sizing of the coil springs is unchanged and are still available in the "Red Hot" signature colorway.





RC2T Damper and DebonAir+

What do those letters and numbers stand for? The Super Deluxe Ultimate features both high and low-speed compression, rebound, and threshold adjusters. On this damper, there are 5 clicks for each compression adjuster - two to increase, two to decrease, and a middle "open" setting. They work truly independent of each other and each click is definitive, sharing that trait with the Charger 3 fork damper. RockShox achieved this by designing the oil to first flow through the LSC circuit, followed by the HSC.

To improve small bump compliance, RockShox now offers progressive or linear air can sizes. The linear sized air can falls in line with what is currently produced and the progressive one is reminiscent of the MegNeg version with a larger negative air volume. The 2023 tokens are purple, matching the color of the sealhead and are not backwards compatible. Both the linear and progressive air cans hold up to a maximum of one negative and four positive tokens.

Adding tokens or volume spacers will reduce the air volume. On the positive side, this will make the air shock spring more progressive at the end of the stroke and harder to bottom out. Placing one in the negative chamber will make the shock more linear; firmer at the beginning of the travel and less progressive towards the end.





How do all of these new acronyms and features feel on the trail, and are they worth it? Mike Kazimer weighs in with his thoughts on the new Lyrik Ultimate in his review here.


272 Comments

  • 177 23
 When it comes to service documentation and backwards compatible upgrades, RS is by far the best company out there.
  • 59 208
flag z-man (May 26, 2022 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 Fox is far better at all those things.
  • 81 149
flag z-man (May 26, 2022 at 7:27) (Below Threshold)
 Just because you guys don't know how Fox's service site works doesn't mean they don't offer up a plethora of super detailed engineering docs going back to 2014. They have far more detailed information available.

Same goes for backwards compatibility. Fox is the king of backwards compatibility.

What RS excells in is ease of service and ease of use/setup. Not serviceability.
  • 117 21
 @z-man: fox is miles ahead of rs. I'm very excited to see yet another different volume spacer type, that is yet again not compatible with previous generations of product.
Meanwhile you can transplant a grip damper into a 2005 float 32..
  • 45 35
 Sram definitely has the best documentation in the industry....no doubt.
  • 89 37
 @foggnm:

Absolutely not. As someone who works with both brands on a daily basis for over a decade I assure you that you are incorrect.

I can find out the damper seal sizes for a 2015 FOX DHX RC4 in 3 minutes. Fox publishes actual engineering docs.
  • 37 5
 I recently bought a Marz Z1 and was disappointed that it still has those super thin alloy nuts on the top and bottom that need special sockets to service vs my Pike and Lyrik that use a standard cassette spline on the top and a regular hex bolt on the bottom. The RS is much easier to pull apart for regular maintenance.
  • 9 0
 @dthomp325: TS is hands down easier to service and that's why I always prefered RS as well as suspension feel. But since I am currently owning a Z1 I had to look at all this and Fox documentation is way better, proper engineering documentation with proper specs so you can find parts that are not oem Fox parts.
  • 34 11
 @z-man: I still remember you losing your everloving shit on a child on the forums some time ago as they had removed the ID code from their fork, and you were noting how impossible that may make finding small parts.

Yeah dude. Great.
  • 17 27
flag z-man (May 26, 2022 at 8:32) (Below Threshold)
 @sherbet:

That was probably a good 7-8 years ago. And "losing my ever loving shit" is certainly an embellished statement. More than likely I told him it wasn't a good idea. You've just never liked me because I always used to prove you wrong.
  • 6 2
 @Balgaroth:

Yes, exactly. RS has done a great job of making things easy. That's where their value lies.
  • 13 1
 Buttercups to go well with the ‘98 can of Judy Butter that still resides in the bowels of my mech box.
  • 6 0
 @spaceofades: hey man, just curious what type of volume spacer is needed for the new Float X? is it a new one perhaps?
  • 14 7
 @z-man: I don't recall engaging any debates with you as it wasn't ever worth it. You get really awkward about it, such as you're doing here.
  • 6 2
 @spaceofades: I would agree. I used to think RockShox was the best at this but fox is certainly better, plus the overall quality of materials in fox stuff miles ahead
  • 5 18
flag z-man (May 26, 2022 at 9:31) (Below Threshold)
 @sherbet: Seems like your memory suits you best. I don't even know what your point is as this is completely off topic.
  • 16 13
 @z-man: My point was that you state Fox is the top dog in finding documentation, while historically you have told off an actual child for taking their ID sticker off, stating it would make finding documentation difficult. The point is pretty easy to get at.

By the way, it's very easy to remember a brand rep/shop guy telling off a child over a sticker. It's likely the most embarrassing thing I've seen on the forums, and a great example to point to of "this isn't a professional way to act while representing a brand."
  • 4 7
 Yeah as much as I don't like Fox, they are much better at the documentation side of things. That said their shit is constantly broken and requires a crazy amount of specialist tools to service.
  • 5 17
flag z-man (May 26, 2022 at 10:15) (Below Threshold)
 @sherbet:

Again, your memory suits you best. I certainly didn't "tell someone off".

Your jealousy is showing bud.
  • 45 2
 @sherbet:
Maybe take your childish squabbling to DM. Nobody cares.
  • 4 0
 Wish there service was as good as their documentation. My DHR2 coil blew up at Sedona and needed a warranty rebuild. Took several weeks to get it back. My friend who had his RS coils serviced had it back in 3 days.
  • 1 0
 @knarrr: I believe it uses fox pn: 803-01-251
Suitable for the float x and float dpx2 with 1/2" damper shafts.
  • 7 3
 @notthatfast: Apologies, was trying to be smart and kinda dumbed it up.

Cheers you lot.
  • 7 0
 RockShox coming out swinging by adding HSC (overdue) and HBO (yes please) to the SD coil.
  • 11 31
flag danstonQ (May 26, 2022 at 12:16) (Below Threshold)
 Pinkbike, I really hate the fact that you still, always and systematically hide the downvoted comments. Strict censorship / prude north-american hypocricy.
  • 8 0
 This 100%. As someone who does their own suspension service, the amount of speciality tools needes for a RS full service are affordable, obtainable and easy to use. I'm hoping this is continued for their new 2023 line-up.
  • 7 0
 @z-man: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 I'd disagree on the service documentation part. Finding the oil volumes etc for RS forks is sometimes a little annoying, whereas fox has some very handy and easy to find charts which tell you everything you need to know for basic 50 hour services. When it comes to more in depth stuff, rockshox is probably better, although at the shop I work in we don't tend to touch dampers. Fox has also been pretty ok at backwards compatibility, although the release of the c1 was pretty awesome, and these buttercups look cool as well.
  • 9 1
 Don't rule out Manitou
  • 5 0
 @Darwin66: you're right. Just a shame that Fox doesn't seem to consistently follow their own guidelines regarding oil and grease levels on forks leaving their factory...
  • 4 0
 @z-man: Hmm there was ZERO info on the 22 Float X when it came out. Dealers had what they needed. But for the public it was slow go.
  • 3 0
 @z-man: I don't think you know what plethora means.
  • 2 1
 Don't ever change Aziz ha ha ha
  • 5 0
 @IMeasureStuff: recently looked into the Fox tools needed to service the 2021+ Fox Float X2. Over $2000Aud in tools. $135 each for the tools to remove the compression and rebound adjusters
  • 3 0
 @Keegan10: yeah it's crazy. Just had a look at the Rockshox 2023 service manual for zeb, lyric and pike. This new damper is really straight forward to rebuild and I don't think I need any new tools. Will have a look at the rear shock manual later.
  • 2 0
 @knarrr: it most certainly is. If you try to use the old ones from dpx2 or old float x they interfere with the Schrader valve and your shock deflates as soon as you disconnect the pump
  • 2 3
 @z-man: will you and @sherbet just blow each other already
  • 3 0
 @fartvandalay: Already said sorry dude, what more you want? Ahaha.

I, Sherbet James Huffington, do solemnly declare that I was out of line and being a big silly. I desperately apologize for any grief or harm I have caused.

Be well.
  • 73 4
 Oh great. Now my Zeb Ultimate, which has by far been the single biggest upgrade I've ever experienced on a bike — Even more of an upgrade than buying entirely new bikes — that has never let me down and has saved my hands and body countless times, is trash.
  • 43 0
 I’ll take it off your hands for $50. I’ll even pay for shipping!
  • 4 17
flag valrock (May 26, 2022 at 10:36) (Below Threshold)
 do you even ride a bike or just look at it and spec sheets?
  • 19 0
 You can upgrade the damper in the ZEB. The Chassis is the same.
  • 5 0
 It's not like the new ZEB Ultimate will have a major & significant performance increase over the old one with the Charger 2.1 damper, you can chill out and still enjoy your fork for years!
  • 7 0
 @valrock: I just look at the specs, and judge how fast I *would* be on the new bike based on the numbers, but am always too frozen in analyzation to actually buy anything for fear it will be replaced with something better soon after.
  • 6 0
 Yep, that's how it works. Didn't you read the yearly press releases and reviews? Every year, the newest Fox and RS forks and shocks are the biggest upgrade ever and fix everything the previous model did wrong (even though those downsides were absent during the release and reviews the year before).
  • 7 0
 @Mac1987: Yep you only find out the truth about your previously flawless product when it’s time to promote the latest version.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: truer words have never been spoken. Comparison tests are the only way to gauge actual performance.
  • 4 0
 I'm glad I waited for 3.0, now I'll continue to wait for 3.1
  • 67 0
 The shock names are not hyperbolic enough for me.
  • 71 2
 2023: Fantastic Super Deluxe Ultimate
2024: Phenomenal Fantastic Super Deluxe Ultimate
2025: Supercalifragalisticexialadotious.....Ultimate

I expect my offer letter from SRAM marketing any moment.
  • 13 0
 Pretty sure it's Hyperbolic grease they use to fill the Butter Cups.
  • 3 1
 @KJP1230: LOVE IT BRO.
  • 8 0
 @KJP1230: they'll be pushing 32" forks just to have enough room for the labels...
  • 55 2
 "They reduce high-frequenecy vibrations by 20% and that isn’t a number that RockShox simply made up"

28.99mm
  • 44 1
 Anyone can come up with numbers, 40% knows that.
  • 4 1
 Hahahaha friggin dub
  • 4 0
 96.567% of statistics are totally absolutely confirmed true
  • 7 1
 Check out www.sram.com/en/rockshox/rockshox-technology.

We take a deeper dive into the technology, testing, and development behind ButterCups, including animations and data proving that ButterCups made a sizeable difference in performance. There's also an article under the same tab explaining how Charger 3's independent HSC and LSC work as well.
  • 3 0
 @RockShox: please do an anime dub.
  • 1 0
 Hey, to be fair, 28.99 spindle in 29.00 bearing. Life is great.
  • 45 3
 Expect next : bigger negative chamber upgrade in 6 months, and a 3.1 damper in a year
  • 15 0
 and rides even higher in the travel, that the 160 fork has to be renamed to 170
  • 26 0
 Whats old is new again. In 3 years we are all going to "discover" the benefits of lower hysteresis that bladders provide over IFPs!
  • 4 0
 @hamncheez: Also after the negative chamber upgrade we'll have another one in a year because the negative chamber is too big and the forks loses travel
  • 32 1
 Wait. Does this mean my 180mm Lyrik is going to blow apart next time I ride it? Or can it only go to 160mm now just for funsies?
  • 31 0
 #bringback 170 and 180mm lyriks!
  • 14 1
 @eugenux: Exactly my thoughts. I want a 170mm Lyrik, that isn’t as heavy as the ZEB and better fits my trails around here.
Sad story is sad.
  • 6 0
 @MrEtnie: used Lyrik Ultimates were going for around $450 after the Zeb came out. (before this new stuff obviously, so maybe prices go down even further) Amazing value for money.
  • 8 0
 I do kind of feel they shouldn't limit the overlap in travel between the different models. Many people might want 170mm of travel but don't ride super hard so don't need a ZEB as a Lyrik will be more than enough. We're not all pro riders and some people would prefer the weight savings over a tiny bit of extra stiffness we'll never notice.
  • 2 0
 @DC1988: You might not notice the stiffness, or you might notice it and dislike it. Either way having more options is good, Rockshox shouldn't limit people like this.
  • 3 1
 @DC1988: with the new lower casting of the lyrik, it’s only 1% less torsionally stiff, 2% less fore and aft stiff, and 7% less stiff in bending as the 2021 zeb. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for rockshox to not offer the lyrik in longer travel options, or not make the zeb significantly stiffer in this update. At this point the zeb is just in rockshox lineup for the sake of marketing, and because rockshox won’t make the lyrik in longer travel options. The benefits of the zeb over the lyrik are minimal at best.
  • 1 0
 @MrEtnie: Fox did the same thing this year where the 36 only goes to 160mm now, the 38 starts at 170mm. I got around this by getting a Fox 36 and replacing the air spring with 170mm spring. Perhaps RockShox will also allow you to upgrade your air spring to allow something similar.
  • 19 0
 i really like Rockshox but i have since tried Ohlins and was blown away by the performance....it would be cool to have stores that let you try before you buy as it's a big investment. DVO is still leading the way regarding customer service for me.
  • 6 2
 Yeah every experience I’ve had with all other brands is pathetic compared to DVO
  • 2 0
 @Lololmalol: i feel a bit guilty as i don't ride with DVO suspension but when i did they helped me with set up and had the forks fine tuned via a supplier for free...
  • 17 0
 Pretty cool improvements, but how can increasing bushing lengths by 53% reduce friction? You're increasing the surface area providing more support, yes, but reducing friction? Am I missing something?
  • 31 0
 I think the increased bushing overlap may lead to less stanchion flex, which could then reduce friction? Not certain though.
  • 7 0
 Properly sized/burnished large bushings should have less friction than tight small bushings.
Of course you can burnish the small bushings too, but the risk of bushing play is less high with larger overlapping bushings.
  • 18 2
 Friction is not a function of area, only of the force applied and the friction coefficent. Making the bushings taller, one can make them less tight because the angle one can tilt the stanchion in a taller bushing of the same diameter is smaller. That way, a taller bushing can reduce friction
  • 8 0
 Less bushing overlap = more binding as the fork flexes.
  • 12 0
 Really, for rear shocks, we can all thank Specialized for needing "Redesigned chassis is 21% stronger" as the shock is now a structural member of the frame, rather than protected and isolated.
  • 5 7
 Yes, you are. Friction is not a function of surface area. Go review high school physics.
  • 1 0
 @bashhard: this makes sense
  • 2 0
 That is because most friction in telescopic forks actually comes from misalignment (flex). So by increasing the overlap, they severly reduce the chance of binding and thus reduce friction.
  • 1 0
 It's bushing overlap, so the lower bushing will sit lower in the fork, not bushing size. Also probably why they have reduced the travel options.
  • 14 0
 I've always been a fan of Chargers... I've had the OG and a 2.1. I also appreciate that they're actually really easy to do a full service on. I'm not fork shopping, but RS is always seems like kind of a bland option vs. EXT, Formula, etc, but underneath the constant stream of marketing and acronyms... pretty good forks at premium but not WTF prices.
  • 17 0
 The annoying part is that they constantly change stuff just for the sake of it. Each minuscule change, be it an improvement or not, is marketed like the second coming of Christ.
  • 15 2
 Dude... I literally JUST FREAKN BOUGHT a brand new 2022 Pike 3 days ago ughh.... Bruh! Frustrating
  • 9 0
 return it. all the 2022 stuff is 25-30% off now.
  • 5 0
 @EdSawyer: l might just do that! Its still fresh in the unopened box! Thanks for the tip friend :-)
  • 6 0
 @Thirty3: or maybe threaten to return it and see if they'll refund you the difference
  • 10 0
 @Thirty3: Just know, the 2023's aren't available yet. So there is that.......
  • 8 0
 don't return it, you won't be getting the '23 pike for months.
  • 20 0
 @Thirty3: or, and hear me out here,
Ride her Pike, happy in the knowledge that it is likely more than you’ll ever need, it’s in your hands, and you can buy a discounted “new” model a couple years from now.

You’ll be just fine my man, you’re new fork is a marvel of engineering, you’ll love it
  • 13 1
 Don't be frustrated. The new forks won't be much better than the one you got. Despite the gallons of marketing slime spewing from Rock Shox and Fox various orifices, technological progress in mtb suspension is not that fast.
  • 3 0
 The 2022 forks are still very good
  • 1 0
 Its an amazing fork and ill be very happy. The grass isn't greener that's for sure.
  • 2 1
 Meeeee tooooo! I just bought a new Zeb. Is the new one really that different from the 2022? Is doesn’t even look different.
  • 2 1
 @ethanrevitch: read the article.
Honestly, some people’s kids, you’re gonna read the comments section to get the info that’s clearly written in multiple articles across several Internet forums. There’s even videos, jeez
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: I just don’t take everything from the article because of course there going to say it “so much better.” There PB remember. Who you callin kids there bro. Kids are the next gen. There what you’re gunna look at in 20 years. This is also what PB comment section is for dude. Voicing your opposition without any reason.
  • 10 0
 "allowed the engineers to “decouple” the high and low-speed compression, ... independent of one another - “no compromises,” ... Normally, one would affect the other slightly and therefore change characteristics riders weren’t intending to alter."

I can't wait to see the Tuesday Tune analyzing how this is done, but from what I've learned from Steve so far, pretty sure there is always an interaction with just two circuits. Maybe if low and high speed ranges are smallish (and they are, hmmm...) and there is a mid-speed valve in there that somehow overlaps both, but wouldn't they yell that at us? "New mid-valve for adjustment isolation!" And what are the drawbacks to that?
  • 5 0
 Check out the Charger 3 article we have under the "Learn" tab on the RockShox website:

www.sram.com/en/rockshox/rockshox-technology

We do a deep dive explaining how traditional dampers work, and what we with Charger 3 to separate the link between HSC and LSC. Complete with animations and damper curves for your viewing pleasure.
  • 9 0
 No weights on the hardware listed? Just a mention of buttercups adding 40g but pike/lyrik still overall lighter than previous. Did I miss it?
  • 2 0
 nope. you didn't. i searched for the same thing. much promised with an "EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW" title!

but weights don't matter! just get plastic surgery to slide 200g off yourself
  • 13 1
 Next up, Boxxer 38?
  • 11 0
 So what happens to the buttercups when it's cold outside?
  • 3 0
 They will be like butter...in the freezer.
  • 1 0
 And how long will they last before they are crushed down and need replacement (every lowers service?)
  • 9 0
 Sounds like a bunch of technical mumbo-jumbo that I do not understand. Forks look good, probably work good.
  • 9 0
 something about 650b is dead
  • 5 6
 Mullet!
  • 5 0
 It's nice to have all the same great tech in different chassis' but why does travel have to be the main deciding factor, being quite light i would prefer to run a lyrik over a zeb to save weight and have slightly less friction due to less seal area with the 35mm legs (extra usefull when you're lightweight and running lower pressures) but what if i want a 170mm fork, rockshox says no.

With most parts on a bike you can just run a lighter part with a trail or xc intended use if you're light and if you're heavy then you'd prbably buy DH stuff even if your not riding DH but when it comes to frames and forks it's a shame there isn't options for this due to the travel usually dictating the inteded use and how strong it is, i know it's hard to say ok you can have a lyrik in 170mm but only if you weigh less than 70kg or something but it's also unfair to have to buy a fork made for the possibility of 100+kg rider on an e-bike just to get the travel you want when you don't need all that extra bulk.
  • 1 0
 The lyrik worked really well at 170mm on my 150mm-rear travel bike. And I'm more like 80kg. Best air fork I've owned actually. Another one definitely felt overwhelmed on my 170mm rear super enduro bike though. The Zeb is miles better in that use case. It'd be nice if people could fit a 170mm air shaft, even if they don't sell it as a pre set option.
  • 3 5
 @chakaping: I feel like just about any bike with a Zeb should have been specced with a Boxxer instead
  • 9 2
 Debonair b1 still the best air shaft from rockshox.
  • 9 3
 You had a lot of time on the new one then?
  • 3 0
 I wish someone would compare the size of the negative air spring of this new debonair spring to the c1, b1 and fox evol air spring. I’d also love to see a comparison in negative volume between the new linear can and the megneg can.
  • 6 0
 Agreed. B1 > C1.
  • 1 1
 @EdSawyer: does everyone actually like the B1 more? I really liked switching to the C1 in my lyrik. Felt like it finally had some balls and was ready to...
  • 2 0
 @CFR94: the b1 airspring has a bigger negative air chamber than the c1 airspring. The c1 airspring was designed to equalize at top out, and sit higher into its travel in the beginning third of the stroke. In reality the c1 airspring just increased harshness, had less midstroke support and progression than the b1 airspring. Bikeradar had similar thoughts when the c1 airspring came out. When I switched to the c1 airspring, I definitely noticed the decrease in midstroke running the same amount of sag and tokens with the b1 airspring.
  • 1 0
 @TheSlayer99: This is from Angrybikemechanic on Insta, but it looks like SRAM might have finally bit the bullet and copied the Vorspring Luftkappe for DebonAir+

www.pinkbike.com/photo/22657711

This isn't intended to be a call out post, as the Luftkappe was clearly inspired by the Fox 40 air shaft:

www.worldwidecyclery.com/collections/air-springs-parts/products/fox-40-air-shaft-assembly-2019-190mm-float
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 @melanthius: This is purely speculation but it looks like they just moved the transfer location and kept the same volume as the c1 spring. I’ll believe the marketing hype when I see Steve at vorsprung compare the airsprings, or someone else publish charts comparing the volume.
  • 3 0
 A few years ago I heard an interview with a rockshox engineer who said they couldn't copy the fox release valves because of patents and to just use a Starbucks stirrer pushed through the bushing to relieve pressure. I guess they figured out a way around the patent now?
  • 2 0
 That doesn't ring true. Even tiny MRP has had release valves for years.
  • 1 0
 @z-man: Fox has relase valves till last year.
  • 1 0
 @Ttimer: yeah seemed weird to me too. Clearly that guy didn't know what he was talking about. Some people in the Rockshox patent department probably had to have a conversation with him
  • 3 0
 I've never seen a Deluxe in the wild, only Super Deluxes. They're mounted to the same bike in the photos. What's the difference on the trail between the two? Deluxes are available to fit my bike for less than the cost of servicing my Super Deluxe.
  • 2 0
 @z-man: super deluxe has a base Valve responsible for hydraulic balance. On deluxe all compression damping comes from piston - design that is lighter and cheaper, but much more exposed to cavitation. Higher ifp pressure can minimalize this effect, but leads to faster seals wear and means worse sensivity.
  • 2 0
 @lightone: will a normal pleb notice the difference when trail riding?
  • 3 0
 How far back does RS stock parts ? All these changes every year . Must be thousands of parts In inventory. Could I get parts for a 5 year old fork ? Or is it now garbage when I need to replace , fix a part . ?
I run Suntour. Bit heavier but Suntour keeps relatively the same so parts are generally available.
I do like all the metal bits in theses RS forks .
  • 2 0
 Actually Rockshox does a good job keep maintenance parts around for older products. They also other times offer upgrade paths on the same chassis (dampers and air springs).

It's really no problem rebuilding most of their stuff even 10 years back.
  • 5 0
 140mm is a pretty stupid place to overlap the Pike and Lyrik. I bet tons of people would buy a 150mm Pike where almost nobody is looking for a 140mm Lyrik.
  • 2 1
 I beg to differ, as 140mm is the most travel a lot of people want to go on a hardtail - and quite a few people like a Lyrik on those. And some 120 or 130mm FS frames specify max 140mm fork, but are intended for gnarly riding. I think 140-170mm would have been right for the Lyrik, personally.
  • 1 0
 Im probably going to put a 140 Lyrik on my stumpy, i love the feel of the bike but im 200lbs kitted up so a nice stiff fork up front will be awesome
  • 1 0
 @arrowheadrush: i guess that's fair, but you must be shredding that thing hard.

@chakaping I find it hard to believe anybody pushes a 140mm hardtail hard enough to need that flex resistance. If you do though congrats, you're hard as f*ck.

I'm skinny and not crushing Enduro so maybe I don't know shit. But I think I know a few things.
  • 2 0
 Tbh I kinda already miss the days when you could buy a basic Yari for 300€, put in a 180mm air shaft and have a competent long travel fork on a budget.
  • 1 0
 Yep. Looking for a 150F/140R type bike now, but at 138lb/63kg, a Lyrik is massively overkill.
  • 3 0
 Good write up with tons of easily digestible info.

Any input on wether the climb switch on Super Deluxe Ultimate is now less extreme? Sounds like it is changed but is it functionally changed?
  • 5 0
 Great! Now go buy the new Super Deluxe and sell me your perfectly fine used one!
  • 5 0
 No mention of the shock shaft on the coil shocks - is it steel now? Can they be run on yoke driven suspension designs?
  • 5 0
 Coil shock on a stumpjumper? That has to be intentional?
  • 6 0
 I dont thing shocks land in a bike by accident.
  • 1 1
 they shipped the 2020 SJ evo pro with a coil shock.
  • 4 0
 Must be doing durability testing on that shock lol! The HBO is very welcome for bikes like the Stumpjumper Evo which are borderline not progressive enough for a coil with the stock linkage. Hopefully the increased strength of the new shocks helps them survive yoke bikes.
  • 4 1
 @EdSawyer: And then they stopped.
  • 5 0
 No more 170 on the Lyrik and no more 150 on the Pike.
  • 4 12
flag Jordmackay (May 26, 2022 at 7:44) (Below Threshold)
 Should really be using a Zeb over 160. They've done it properly
  • 1 0
 not only that downgrade ( and the pike used to go to 160mm too), but the IFP is likely to be less sensitive/supple than a bladder, and probably heavier. Generally seems like a downgrade overall with the exception of possibly better/more bushing overlap and maybe pre-burnished bushings on the ultimate level stuff.
  • 8 1
 @Jordmackay: theres more to it than travel, rider weight has just as much if not more to do with it, a 170mm lyrik or 150 pike would be a perfect option for lighter riders
  • 1 0
 @Jordmackay: not everyone needs a zeb, like this guy says ^.
  • 1 0
 @Jordmackay:
I run a 180 Fox 36! I‘m 60Kg and a 38mm stanchion fork is simply too stiff for me!
  • 3 3
 @edfw: Think you need to dirty bulk. No man should be that light
  • 1 0
 @Jordmackay: haha just have a great metabolism I guess, can eat what i want xD
  • 3 0
 I would have liked to read something about those cheap RUSH versions, as mere mortals only will be able to afford those on complete bikes.
  • 1 0
 Probably a relabeled Motion Control?
  • 3 0
 no shimmed rebound piston is all you need to know
  • 7 2
 That "charger" damper sure looks like a GRIP now....Smile
  • 2 0
 @Mac1987:
Looks like a Marzocchi DBC damper to me!
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Marzocchi DBC damper to me!
  • 5 0
 Remember when they raced the EWS on Pikes?
  • 3 0
 Pepperidge Farm remembers
  • 1 0
 Any idea what the difference is between damper on the super deluxe ultimate, and super deluxe DH coil shocks?

I see the HBO is optional on the ultimate, and that it comes with the RC2T, instead of RC2. Does that just mean the ultimate has a pedal mode switch?
  • 1 0
 Yeah the T stands for "Threshold", i.e. their climb switch. From the descriptions I can't see any other differences other than price (DH without the switch is cheaper).
  • 3 0
 No redesigned SID with new bushing package?? Hopefully they update the SID soon and put the whole bushing play thing to rest.
  • 5 0
 Does this mean an end of Yari?
  • 1 0
 I think… what about the Pike DJ? Have they forgot about it? Or is it bundled in the “New Pike?”
  • 5 0
 everything but axle-to-crown dimensions. @SramMedia
  • 1 0
 I'd like to see weight in grams too
  • 1 0
 Yeah, where do we find these?

Is it changed with the 2023 model, maybe 4 mm more due to butter cups?
  • 1 0
 Hyrdaulic bottom out is a neat, practical feature for sure. Will really benefit the one bike to rule them all crowd. Although, as someone who recently went from a 4 way adjustable shock to one with just a rebound knob, I can say that less knobs is pure bliss in my view.
  • 1 0
 All those burping buttons seem to me like a solution for a problem that should not exist- that air being burped must come from somewhere, and i assume most of it is air which escaped the main piston chamber. I know its better to burp it out, but i wonder how it affects air pressure in the longer run and why air escapes in the first place...

Anyway, the new lineup seems legit!Wink
  • 1 0
 Air easily migrates past the oil seals
  • 1 0
 @JimLad: you mean you think those buttons dont do anything because the air can escape regardless?
  • 1 0
 no, the normal air from the casting outside the air spring can just be expanding while you pedal up an hot asphalt road for an hour. On my Lyrik the zip tie trick somehow only works audibly on the air spring side, not the damper side. In that case I usually deflate the fork before a descent and inflate it again...
  • 1 0
 @jzPV: so if you need to inflate again, it means air has escaped from the spring doesn't it?
I'm sure you're right that air expanding due to altitude and temperature has something to do with it. But it surely doesn't make up the majority of the burped air. My pike needs occasional burping and I don't ride any significant elevation.
  • 1 0
 @foxinsocks: no I deflate it completely and push down the fork to press out any unwanted air in the casting. Due to temperature changes the air pressure in the air spring increases slightly as well. Hot air expands, you don't need elevation for that.
  • 1 0
 @jzPV: what you're describing is unusual. Needing to deflate the fork every ride...

Indeed, hot air will expand, but still its the same air you put in with the pump, not "ambient" air. At least i dont see how the environment can refill that air again and again simply due to the fork's operation.

Anyway, i didnt really understand if you're agreeing or debating my original post Smile
  • 1 0
 I’m most interested in the Super Deluxe Ultimate review because I think this shock is going to be ideal for the widest section of the market (trail to enduro). I feel like the Fox shock line-up has a ‘problem’ where the Float X lacks adjustments (only low-speed compression and low-speed rebound) and the Float X2 is too soft / downhill or high-pivot enduro-mobber oriented for anything in the 140-160mm category.
  • 1 0
 Did anybody else read this and just think to themselves that forks were just fine as they are? Like, they didn't even need to become any better than they already were?

I've put my old RS Yari from I wanna say 2016 on my new bike. It's been ridden hard over the years, but also serviced thoroughly twice a year and continues to work for me just fine. I have ridden other forks on other peoples bikes (RXF36, Fox 36 Factory, Fox 38 Factory) but I honestly don't feel like I need anything better than my old Yari. Not that it's the pinnacle of performance, but it does anything I need a fork to do just fine.
  • 3 0
 Still rocking my 2021 Rockshock Revelation and Super Deluxe Ultimate shock...super smooth no issues with em !!!!
  • 5 2
 It is 97% accurate to state that 100% of average riders will notice 98% of these updates in a blind test.
  • 4 0
 The crowns on these forks look awesome!
  • 4 0
 Not to be outdone by Fox......... RS now has the same pricing!!
  • 4 2
 Enough with these flexy creaky CSU forks. Where is the new boxxer?
Also I hope they have redesigned the coil so it no longer cracks and breaks around the rebound knob.
  • 2 1
 None of my last 5 CSU forks have creaked.... at all.
  • 1 0
 @z-man: broken shaft means frame poor design or bearings condition. No shock fault.
  • 2 0
 Pressure release valve is sorely needed - my old RS fork was always sucked down in its travel and the zip tie trick only worked some of the time.
  • 1 0
 Use a zip tie....
  • 1 0
 If the zip tie trick is not working it could be your air spring. I had issues with this after my bike was on a rack pulling down the forks for a long time. If I pulled up CSU to get the air spring across the equalization port it would fix it.
  • 4 0
 New boxxer details needed also...
  • 1 0
 Poor old Charger 2.1, I too can identify and sympathize with going deep in my travel with a unreliable bladder. And I always thought I was plenty sensitive to the small bumps...
  • 3 0
 Does the coilshocks´ redesigned chassis means they are fit for specialized stumpjumper evo?
  • 2 0
 I would also like to know if the new super deluxe coil will not snap like twig on a stumpy? Strengthening the body and add'l bushing overlap is cool but they didn't increase the shaft diameter...
  • 5 3
 Should read… won’t be in stock for ages, and neither will any parts to service them
  • 3 1
 Hydraulic bottom out is a good addition to the shock, would make more sense to add it to the fork.
  • 1 1
 It’s looks like the rs1 style damper that’s been in the select forks for the last couple of years. Does anyone know the actual difference? Other than high speed adjustment.
  • 5 3
 No coil option on the forks still RockShox?

Come on, it's 2023 (model year).
  • 2 0
 I'll take a Super Peanut Butter Cup Supreme + to go please. Don't forget the bushing stiffener on the side too.
  • 1 1
 Killing the bladder was an about face wow. Damper looks heavy af. 120mm pike seems like a big deal. Wonder if theyre paying manitou royalties on that hbo. The damping range starting in the middle is lame and dumbed down.
  • 2 0
 I feel like I'm missing out on all the RS vs Fox shitstorms on PB by having both on the same bike Frown Send help.
  • 1 0
 I wish the pike still went up to 150mm and the lyrik to 170mm. 150mm pike ultimate with something like an sb130 makes so much sense.
  • 3 0
 The shock naming is so dumb
  • 1 0
 Basically they made good stuff better, the end. Fine details......... ah forget it.
  • 2 0
 Am I missing something? Why is the 51mm offset gone?
  • 3 5
 Because shorter offsets are more trendy. Don't worry, give it 3 years and we will al "discover" how much better longer offsets are and 51mm willl return.
  • 2 0
 Threads don't align in the cutaway of the compression unit. I'm mad now.
  • 5 2
 New charger grip damper
  • 3 1
 Glad to see they dont come in orange.
  • 2 0
 When are these available?
  • 1 0
 Why does it say the hydraulic bottom out feature is an optional extra? Different versions?
  • 1 0
 Yep, there are versions without the HBO feature.
  • 2 0
 A real opportunity lost not calling them butternuts
  • 1 0
 I despise the Heavy Meadow color on the new Lyrik. It should be killed with fire.
  • 1 0
 Idk, I like it. But I have a penchant for olive green. Not sure how well it would match with a lot of bikes. Of course, the same thing can be said for factory orange.
  • 2 0
 @Twin8: I hate the orange lowers too Wink
  • 1 0
 I love that heavy meadow colour
  • 1 0
 Will I be able to update my zeb R with this new damper?
could someone answer me?
thank you all
  • 1 0
 This actually put RS back on my radar. Good job. Now if I could only afford anything bike related again...
  • 2 1
 Available here in the UK, November 2022.
  • 1 0
 What about US…? Will it ever be…
  • 2 0
 Mmmmmm, buttercups!
  • 2 1
 Will is sag under its own weight?
  • 2 1
 But... It doesn't say Fox on it...
  • 1 0
 Now hopefully the old good stuff will trickle down to the cheaper models!
  • 1 0
 When are they released for sale?
  • 1 1
 Never…
  • 1 1
 When does the lightweight coil come out? The shock body isn't bad, but the steel coils are heavy!
  • 1 0
 Available at your local LBS February 2024.
  • 1 0
 Is it even better than a Push ACS3 and a HC97?
  • 1 4
 Lmao! @RockShox hydraulic bottom out and an air fork? Really? That’s pointless! Wait till RS makes a coil and then puts the hydraulic bottom out on it. Also, independent HAC and LSC isn’t really possible in they way they are saying I think. Because if it was the Push boys would have done it years ago.
  • 1 0
 No 150 travel pike and no 51 offset is pretty disappointing to me.
  • 1 0
 HOWS THE COIL ON THE SJ EVO PLZ
  • 1 0
 How long does it take to break the shaft on the shock?
  • 1 0
 So a 150 mm Yari becomes a Lyrik Base?
  • 3 4
 @mattbeer are the new airspring and charger3 damper available aftermarket and compatible with older fork models?
  • 2 0
 the article states the only older fork compatible is the zeb.
  • 2 1
 Read again. They are not, except the ZEB damper.
  • 1 0
 It’s sounding like you can upgrade a current Zeb if you’d like - complete upgrade would include new air spring and damper, as well as the lowers. Seems to me they’ll be making this stuff available as they just release the zeb A1 not long ago. Zeb seems to be the only one upgradeable though.
  • 4 7
 How does RS hit it out of the park with forks but make rear shocks that are generously described as "meh"?
  • 7 2
 I never heard anyone say that.
  • 4 0
 @PaulWolf: People do kind of say that, to be fair. RS for forks but Fox (or CC or Ohlins or...) for shocks is quite a common preference. The Monarch used to be a really fragile thing.
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: Interesting because I am running Fox's X2 and I am still not sure I like it. It goes through the travel like nothing even at 260+ psi which is close to the max. For reference, I weigh about 190 lbs fully kitted. On an older bike I am running a Monarch RT (which to be fair gets ridden a lot less) but I never had any problems with it so far.
  • 1 0
 @PaulWolf: What bike? Which X2, the original or the new one? The X2 is designed to ride as coil like as possible, and needs some progression, or at least all the volume spacers stuffed in there. They are also a nightmare to tune, but once you do have it dialed in it should ride pretty freaking good.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Thanks! It came on a 2020 Norco Sight A2 so it's not the very latest version. I am running two volume spacers which I believe is the recommended maximum amount for my shock size which is 185x55mm (trunnion mount). I am following Fox's and Norco's recommendations pretty closely with about 260 psi 5 rebound clicks from the slowest setting (is that from open?, I ALWAYS forget) and a pretty light compression setting: 6 clicks from open(?).
  • 2 0
 @PaulWolf: My advice is to click in (out?) the high speed compression a dramatic amount, like 5 clicks, so now there is too much compression. Ride it that way, then on the next ride click it out, one click at a time, to open up the high speed compression again. Keep going until you feel a good level of support without making the rear end too stiff. You want it to ride high in its travel without feeling like the back end gets skittery on loose stuff or in turns.

That Norco has a 2.72 compression ratio, which is too high in my opinion. That will require way high air pressures and make it harder to tune the rebound.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Yea, I tried 10 clicks of compression which felt horrible. Time to fine-tune now! Thanks again!
  • 2 0
 @chakaping: currently rocking the rockfox setup-Zeb/X2-and loving it
  • 2 0
 @PaulWolf: I'm not the biggest fan of the X2 myself, it was amazing with my orange (when I got the settings right) but other frames I've not quite got it where I want.
I prefer the cane creek double barrel air, with it's more damped feel.
It's Fox's inline air shocks which have been the safe bet a lot of the time, compared to RS ones.
  • 1 0
 @PaulWolf:

Maybe you need some help with proper set up?

Is it the current X2 or the previous one?
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: agree, I prefer the performance of the Cane Creek
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: my only hesitation in getting a cane creek shock over something from fox is that the cane creek shocks aren’t built to be as reliable and they don’t allow anyone to service their shocks, whereas with fox I can walk into 3 shops within 45 minutes of me and have them do a full rebuild on an x2 the same day.
  • 2 0
 @TheSlayer99: I agree.

I also don't think its worth swapping out a new, well-functioning shock for something else unless you really, really don't get along with it. I'd put some effort into tuning your X2, and if high speed compression can't solve your problem, I'd consider adding one more volume spacer, even if its against what Norco "recommends"
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