As you may have guessed from the feature-laden appearance of the electronically controlled RockShox Flight Attendant series forks released earlier this year, revamped suspension components without batteries might soon follow. In comes a new Pike and Lyrik chassis design, packed with some of the features on the Flight Attendant equipment, but the ZEB wasn't forgotten about either. All of those forks also see a redesigned damper, plus they get the mechanical bonuses found on the Flight Attendant chassis.
Not limited to the front end of the bike, a slew of rear shocks are also on the 2023 menu, including a Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate shock with a separate threshold piston, and its DH slbling with externally adjustable hydraulic bottom out control. The most notable change internally is the separation of high and low-speed compression adjustments and greater bushing overlap, while externally the body of the coil shocks are 21% stronger.
Fork Chassis and OverviewWhat’s different about RockShox Ultimate level forks now, besides the sharper lines of the Pike and Lyrik lower leg assembly and crown-steerer unit (CSU) that mimic the ZEB? Basically everything. The technologies are the same across the Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB Ulitmate series, however, there are tweaks to the air spring volumes and chassis design to tailor each fork’s stiffness to their ideal use case. Both the Pike and Lyrik keep their 35 mm stanchions, while the ZEB chassis remains virtually unchanged, with the exception of pressure relief valves on the back of the lower legs, now found on all premium fork models.
To better differentiate the segments for each fork, RockShox limited the travel on the new Pike and Lyrik, allowing them to optimize the chassis stiffness to weight ratio conducive to the types of bikes they will be mounted to - that included the air springs too. The travel numbers range from 120-140mm and 140-160mm in 10mm steps and will require set-length air springs to change the travel. Only the ZEB, where the chassis carries over and retains the wider bracket of 160-190mm - it was only two years ago when it debuted.
Pike Ultimate Details
• Travel options: 120, 130, 140 mm
• Redesigned 35 mm stanchion chassis
• Charger 3 features an all-new Internal Floating Piston (IFP)
• High-speed compression, low-speed compression, and low-speed rebound
• ButterCups on air and damper shafts
• DebonAir+ air spring with increased air volume
• Ultimate Bushing Package maximizes bushing overlap
• Pressure Relief Valves release air build-up in the lower legs
• Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• Gloss Black or Signature Gloss Silver colors
• RockShox bolt-on fender sold separately
• MSRP: $1,054, €1,139*, £1,017* (*inc. VAT)
Lyrik Ultimate Details
• Travel options: 140, 150, 160 mm
• Redesigned 35mm stanchion chassis
• Charger 3 features an all-new Internal Floating Piston (IFP)
• High-speed compression, low-speed compression, and low-speed rebound
• ButterCups on air and damper shafts
• DebonAir+ air spring with increased air volume
• Ultimate Bushing Package maximizes bushing overlap
• Pressure Relief Valves release air build-up in the lower legs
• Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• Gloss Black or Signature “Heavy Meadow” colors
• RockShox bolt-on fender sold separately
• MSRP: $1,107, €1,196*, £ 1,069* (*inc. VAT)
ZEB Ultimate Details
• Travel options: 160, 170, 180, 190 mm
• 38mm chassis
• Charger 3 features an all-new Internal Floating Piston (IFP)
• High-speed compression, low-speed compression, and low-speed rebound
• ButterCups on air and damper shafts
• DebonAir+ air spring with increased air volume
• Ultimate Bushing Package maximizes bushing overlap
• Pressure Relief Valves release air build-up in the lower legs
• Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• Gloss Black or Signature Slab Grey colors
• RockShox bolt-on fender sold separately
• MSRP: $1,159, €1,253*, £1,119* (*inc. VAT)
Charger 3 DamperRockShox started with a clean slate when they approached the damper design of the Charger 3 and favored the IFP style for its ability to purge oil through a port in the damper. This also allowed the engineers to “decouple” the high and low-speed compression, keeping each adjustment independent of one another - “no compromises,” as they say. Normally, one would affect the other slightly and therefore change characteristics riders weren’t intending to alter.
All Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB Ultimates and Select+ forks come standard with the Charger 3. The damper is retrofitable with any ZEB because that CSU hasn’t changed, but otherwise will only fit 2023 Pikes and Lyriks. There are 15 clicks of LSC, 5 clicks of HSC, 18 clicks of rebound adjustment and at this time no custom tuning is available because RockShox believes that each click is a large enough change and the range of damping will suit all rider weights and styles. A ton of effort also went into making the Charger 3 as quiet as possible and part of that success is backed by Maxima's Plush damping fluid.
Even though the bleed procedure has changed because of the new damper, no new tools are needed to rebuild the Charger 3 and all of the service tutorials can be found on the
RockShox website.
ButterCupsThese magic little elastomers that sit at the bottom end of the damper and air spring to smooth out the transition of forces into those components as the fork begins to move into the travel. They reduce high-frequenecy vibrations by 20% and that isn’t a number that RockShox simply made up - the testing team measured such a thing with sensors.
ButterCups offer 4mm of plush movement to the suspension and are exclusive for the same grouping of forks that the Charger 3 damper fits: 2023 Pike and Lyriks, and 2021+ ZEBs. A set of ButterCups adds roughly 40-grams to the fork, but the new Pike and Lyrik have dropped in weight overall.
DebonAir+ SpringEquipped on all 2023 Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB forks, the all-aluminum DebonAir+ spring has a larger volume than its predecessor DebonAir C1 air spring with a focus on improved small bump absorption and a higher ride height. The new spring is loaded with a ButterCup bumper and can also be installed on 2021+ ZEBs.
Pressure Relief ValvesThese trick little buttons release any unwanted pressure built up inside the fork either during elevation or temperature change to keep things running as sensitive as possible. Think your fork needs a burp because it's feeling stiffer? Simply blip the valves with a rag to absorb any residual oil and things should feel normal again. They sit above the upper bushing and are durable in the sense that they will not ingest any dirt or water, plus the 2023 Select and Base model forks (Pike, Lyrik, and ZEB) can be upgraded to accept the Pressure Relief Valves.
Ultimate Bushing Package and Hub StiffenersAt the Ultimate level, the bushing length in the lower fork legs has been in creased by 53%. That is said to give better support for the stanchions, reducing friction and distributing the load where the leg and bushing meet. With that in mind, the Ulitmate level bushings are sized and installed at the factory for 2023 forks only, so you will need new lowers for a Select level fork to achieve this upgrade.
Torque Caps are still in play with a larger, specific RockShox standard machined surface, but for a smaller diameter, generic hub end caps there are now bolt-on options to mimic that idea.
Shock OverviewWithin the RockShox rear shock family there are four Deluxe Ultimate rear shocks, two air and two coil-sprung rear shocks. Ultimate basically stands for "available in the aftermarket" or seen as an upgrade to the current bike, though some top end bikes might even come equipped with these. Three of those are Super Deluxe which include added features like a high speed compression adjuster and the two coil versions have optional Hydraulic Bottom Out controls with five clicks of adjustment to smooth out the last 20% of the travel. Other attributes of the Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil shocks use a 21% stronger body with increased bushing overlap.
Deluxe Ultimate Details
• Independent low-speed and rebound adjustments
• DebonAir+ air spring with adjustable negative and positive air volume
• Wider range of rebound adjustment than previously
• Castled bottom out bumper
• Increased bushing overlap
• Lever toggles between Open and Threshold compression pistons
• Maxima Plush Dynamic Suspension Lube reduces friction
• MSRP: $399, €431*, £385* (*inc. VAT)
Super Deluxe Ultimate Details
• RC2T Damper with independent high and low-speed adjustments
• DebonAir+ air spring with adjustable negative and positive air volume
• Optional Hydraulic Bottom Out
• 15 clicks of rebound adjustment
• Castled bottom out bumper
• Increased bushing overlap
• Separate and independent Open and Threshold pistons
• Maxima Plush Dynamic Suspension Lube reduces friction
• MSRP: $599, €648*, £ 578* (*inc. VAT)
Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate Details
• RC2T Damper with independent high and low-speed adjustments
• Optional adjustable Hydraulic Bottom Out with five different compression settings
• Redesigned chassis is 21% stronger
• Increased bushing overlap
• 20 clicks of rebound adjustment Separate and independent Open and Threshold pistons
• External adjustments allow for no-fuss tuning on the fly
• BoXXer Red and Signature color matching decal options
• Maxima plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• MSRP: $ 549, € 594*, £ 530* (*inc. VAT)
Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate DH Details
• RC2 Damper with independent high and low-speed adjustments
• Optional Hydraulic Bottom Out with five different settings
• Redesigned chassis is 21% stronger
• Increased bushing overlap
• 20 clicks of rebound adjustment
• External adjustments allow for no-fuss tuning on the fly
• BoXXer Red and Signature color matching decal options
• Maxima plush damping fluid reduces friction and silences damper noise
• MSRP: $ 499, € 539*, £ 482* (*inc. VAT)
Hydraulic Bottom OutUnlike adding volume spacers to an air shock to change the progression of the spring rate, a hydraulic bottom out adjuster is used to tweak the compression damping as the shock goes through the last 20% of its travel. A small needle blocks the flow of oil to increase the compression damping to dissipate energy and reduce air spring "ramp up." This means that the rebound damping is not affected, so you get best of both worlds; a cushion to alleviate harsh bottom outs without the kickback or an increasing spring rate at the end of the travel. The sizing of the coil springs is unchanged and are still available in the "Red Hot" signature colorway.
RC2T Damper and DebonAir+What do those letters and numbers stand for? The Super Deluxe Ultimate features both high and low-speed compression, rebound, and threshold adjusters. On this damper, there are 5 clicks for each compression adjuster - two to increase, two to decrease, and a middle "open" setting. They work truly independent of each other and each click is definitive, sharing that trait with the Charger 3 fork damper. RockShox achieved this by designing the oil to first flow through the LSC circuit, followed by the HSC.
To improve small bump compliance, RockShox now offers progressive or linear air can sizes. The linear sized air can falls in line with what is currently produced and the progressive one is reminiscent of the MegNeg version with a larger negative air volume. The 2023 tokens are purple, matching the color of the sealhead and are not backwards compatible. Both the linear and progressive air cans hold up to a maximum of one negative and four positive tokens.
Adding tokens or volume spacers will reduce the air volume. On the positive side, this will make the air shock spring more progressive at the end of the stroke and harder to bottom out. Placing one in the negative chamber will make the shock more linear; firmer at the beginning of the travel and less progressive towards the end.
How do all of these new acronyms and features feel on the trail, and are they worth it? Mike Kazimer weighs in with his thoughts on the new Lyrik Ultimate in his review
here.
Same goes for backwards compatibility. Fox is the king of backwards compatibility.
What RS excells in is ease of service and ease of use/setup. Not serviceability.
Meanwhile you can transplant a grip damper into a 2005 float 32..
Absolutely not. As someone who works with both brands on a daily basis for over a decade I assure you that you are incorrect.
I can find out the damper seal sizes for a 2015 FOX DHX RC4 in 3 minutes. Fox publishes actual engineering docs.
Yeah dude. Great.
That was probably a good 7-8 years ago. And "losing my ever loving shit" is certainly an embellished statement. More than likely I told him it wasn't a good idea. You've just never liked me because I always used to prove you wrong.
Yes, exactly. RS has done a great job of making things easy. That's where their value lies.
By the way, it's very easy to remember a brand rep/shop guy telling off a child over a sticker. It's likely the most embarrassing thing I've seen on the forums, and a great example to point to of "this isn't a professional way to act while representing a brand."
Again, your memory suits you best. I certainly didn't "tell someone off".
Your jealousy is showing bud.
Maybe take your childish squabbling to DM. Nobody cares.
Suitable for the float x and float dpx2 with 1/2" damper shafts.
Cheers you lot.
I, Sherbet James Huffington, do solemnly declare that I was out of line and being a big silly. I desperately apologize for any grief or harm I have caused.
Be well.
2024: Phenomenal Fantastic Super Deluxe Ultimate
2025: Supercalifragalisticexialadotious.....Ultimate
I expect my offer letter from SRAM marketing any moment.
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We take a deeper dive into the technology, testing, and development behind ButterCups, including animations and data proving that ButterCups made a sizeable difference in performance. There's also an article under the same tab explaining how Charger 3's independent HSC and LSC work as well.
So if I'm satisfied with the Charger 2.1 damper, can I just add a set of buttercups to my 2022 Zeb Ultimate to help with the high frequency vibrations?
Sad story is sad.
Of course you can burnish the small bushings too, but the risk of bushing play is less high with larger overlapping bushings.
Ride her Pike, happy in the knowledge that it is likely more than you’ll ever need, it’s in your hands, and you can buy a discounted “new” model a couple years from now.
You’ll be just fine my man, you’re new fork is a marvel of engineering, you’ll love it
Honestly, some people’s kids, you’re gonna read the comments section to get the info that’s clearly written in multiple articles across several Internet forums. There’s even videos, jeez
I can't wait to see the Tuesday Tune analyzing how this is done, but from what I've learned from Steve so far, pretty sure there is always an interaction with just two circuits. Maybe if low and high speed ranges are smallish (and they are, hmmm...) and there is a mid-speed valve in there that somehow overlaps both, but wouldn't they yell that at us? "New mid-valve for adjustment isolation!" And what are the drawbacks to that?
www.sram.com/en/rockshox/rockshox-technology
We do a deep dive explaining how traditional dampers work, and what we with Charger 3 to separate the link between HSC and LSC. Complete with animations and damper curves for your viewing pleasure.
but weights don't matter! just get plastic surgery to slide 200g off yourself
With most parts on a bike you can just run a lighter part with a trail or xc intended use if you're light and if you're heavy then you'd prbably buy DH stuff even if your not riding DH but when it comes to frames and forks it's a shame there isn't options for this due to the travel usually dictating the inteded use and how strong it is, i know it's hard to say ok you can have a lyrik in 170mm but only if you weigh less than 70kg or something but it's also unfair to have to buy a fork made for the possibility of 100+kg rider on an e-bike just to get the travel you want when you don't need all that extra bulk.
@chakaping I find it hard to believe anybody pushes a 140mm hardtail hard enough to need that flex resistance. If you do though congrats, you're hard as f*ck.
I'm skinny and not crushing Enduro so maybe I don't know shit. But I think I know a few things.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/22657711
This isn't intended to be a call out post, as the Luftkappe was clearly inspired by the Fox 40 air shaft:
www.worldwidecyclery.com/collections/air-springs-parts/products/fox-40-air-shaft-assembly-2019-190mm-float
I run Suntour. Bit heavier but Suntour keeps relatively the same so parts are generally available.
I do like all the metal bits in theses RS forks .
It's really no problem rebuilding most of their stuff even 10 years back.
Any input on wether the climb switch on Super Deluxe Ultimate is now less extreme? Sounds like it is changed but is it functionally changed?
Looks like a Marzocchi DBC damper to me!
Is it changed with the 2023 model, maybe 4 mm more due to butter cups?
I run a 180 Fox 36! I‘m 60Kg and a 38mm stanchion fork is simply too stiff for me!
I see the HBO is optional on the ultimate, and that it comes with the RC2T, instead of RC2. Does that just mean the ultimate has a pedal mode switch?
Anyway, the new lineup seems legit!
I'm sure you're right that air expanding due to altitude and temperature has something to do with it. But it surely doesn't make up the majority of the burped air. My pike needs occasional burping and I don't ride any significant elevation.
Indeed, hot air will expand, but still its the same air you put in with the pump, not "ambient" air. At least i dont see how the environment can refill that air again and again simply due to the fork's operation.
Anyway, i didnt really understand if you're agreeing or debating my original post
I've put my old RS Yari from I wanna say 2016 on my new bike. It's been ridden hard over the years, but also serviced thoroughly twice a year and continues to work for me just fine. I have ridden other forks on other peoples bikes (RXF36, Fox 36 Factory, Fox 38 Factory) but I honestly don't feel like I need anything better than my old Yari. Not that it's the pinnacle of performance, but it does anything I need a fork to do just fine.
Also I hope they have redesigned the coil so it no longer cracks and breaks around the rebound knob.
Come on, it's 2023 (model year).
could someone answer me?
thank you all
That Norco has a 2.72 compression ratio, which is too high in my opinion. That will require way high air pressures and make it harder to tune the rebound.
I prefer the cane creek double barrel air, with it's more damped feel.
It's Fox's inline air shocks which have been the safe bet a lot of the time, compared to RS ones.
Maybe you need some help with proper set up?
Is it the current X2 or the previous one?
I also don't think its worth swapping out a new, well-functioning shock for something else unless you really, really don't get along with it. I'd put some effort into tuning your X2, and if high speed compression can't solve your problem, I'd consider adding one more volume spacer, even if its against what Norco "recommends"
Rs are the way to go in terms of durability and widgets for the $$