Evil Launches New 2021 Offering - 29" Wheels, 140mm Travel

Dec 8, 2020
by Mike Kazimer  
Evil Offering 2021

This morning I was bemoaning the overuse of the phrase 'quiver killer', and then the news came through about the new Evil Offering. Billed as “the quiet Quiver Killer,” the latest version is claimed to “sacrifice nothing but gives you God-like powers.” That's an extra strength dose of marketing lingo, so let's skip that and get to the details – if Evil are ever able to get us one for review we'll find out how those claims actually hold up.

The new Offering has 29” wheels and 140mm of rear travel, which is paired with either a 150 or 160mm fork. Compared to the previous version, there have been a few geometry tweaks – the reach is a little longer, and the seat tube angle is a little steeper. What about slacker? Not really – the Offering's head tube angle is still around 66-degrees depending on the flip chip position. However, Evil do offer an aftermarket 1.5-degree angleset, allowing riders an extra level of geometry customization.
Offering Details

• Travel: 140mm rear / 150 or 160mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Head angle: 65.9° or 65.3° (160 fork)
• Seat tube angle: 76.5° or 76°
• Reach: 486mm (lrg)
• Chainstay length: 430mm
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Price: $5,799 - $8,099
• Frame only: $3,299

Rear end spacing is 12 x 157mm SuperBoost, which helped make it possible to have enough room to fit a 2.6” rear tire. There's also a new wider main pivot with larger hardware that's said to increase stiffness and strength.

The carbon Offering frame with a RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate shock is $3,299, with complete build kits starting at $5,299. There are several different rear shock options to choose from, including a Push coil shock, which is a $900 upcharge.




Evil Offering 2021


Geometry with 150mm fork

Evil Offering 2021


Geometry with 160mm fork

Evil Offering 2021

Evil Offering 2021

More information: evil-bikes.com


249 Comments

  • 262 13
 I'm glad Evil uses Superboost because that pushed me to get the Forbidden Druid and I've never been so stoked on a bike.
  • 60 0
 Druids are sick
  • 60 2
 Tried both evil and forbidden and hands down the druid was better at everything imo.
  • 35 32
 Superboost is for plus bikes
  • 8 3
 @wellbastardfast: Wait til you see the Forbidden Wiccan!
  • 5 4
 @suspended-flesh: I believe it's going to be called the Dreadnought
  • 1 0
 @suspended-flesh: yes...waiting...still waiting...hope I don't have to wait much longer
  • 3 0
 @ybsurf: How's the support and progression curve on the Forbidden for jumps?
  • 3 0
 I had a Following, considered an Offering, but then the Druid XT came out. Loving that bike, glad the timing worked out just perfect.
  • 12 14
 @fudgedredd: yes, I think it is indeed called the dreadnought. At this point, I'm not interested in any bike thats not a high pivot, and I don't care how many links the POS has. I'm also over the evil hypemachine
  • 8 2
 @fudgedredd: I'd settle for a Pagan, but you are correct.

Does anyone know what rear travel will be? I like a 160/170.

Also, it sucks when one bike companies' news release becomes a discussion of another.



DREADNOUGHT
Forbidden Industries Ltd.

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  • 3 0
 @learningcycles: Very very progressive on my druid, I have yet to actually feel hitting bottom despite running slightly higher sag then I have on my previous bike (megatower). It feels right at home popping off lips and bumps.
  • 1 0
 Tell me more. I'm so interested. I'm saving for their shit to come back in stock and then I'm gonna snap one up!
  • 1 0
 @stephanepelletier: thanks. Looking at the design and how the chainstay grows through travel I feel it would feel like it didn't want to pop off lips.
  • 1 0
 @learningcycles: I thought that too, I think mostly from seeing commencal's going very very fast on their high pivot dh bike. I personally find my Druid to be very playful.
  • 15 22
flag jclnv (Dec 8, 2020 at 17:08) (Below Threshold)
 @suspended-flesh:
It also sucks when someone exposes a brands embargoed trademark name on another brands press release...
  • 2 0
 I second the motion
  • 4 2
 Same thing people were saying when boost came out.. had my first ride on the v2 today and it rips.
  • 4 0
 @learningcycles: super progressive and really fun to jump and the rear ward wheel make it super stable on landing and cornering. Mine is a mullet and couldn't be happier. Best of both worlds super planted but playfull as well.
  • 13 1
 @jclnv: Uh, I Googled 'Forbidden Dreadnought' after reading another poster drop the name. What I posted is the first result that came up and is public information.
  • 4 12
flag cpobanz (Dec 8, 2020 at 19:16) (Below Threshold)
 A new chainring and hub is all you need folks, not a big deal.
  • 4 3
 @cpobanz: It’s the heal rub.
  • 1 0
 That escalated quickly.
  • 8 3
 This whole thing with companies making stuff public but sites doing “spy shots” and “rumors” just further perpetuates the notion the media is in cahoots with the brands. In my mind, real spy shots and rumors are stuff like trademarks and patent filings. It’s finding pre-release pictures on Pinkbike photographers profiles, or a bunch of brand testers at your local trailhead on unmarked bikes. More than likely, other brands know well in advance who’s working on what, heck some of them share factories overseas. Forbidden is going to release a 160mm high pivot bike. Anyone with a brain could spot that earlier this year. It’s going to be called the Dreadnaught. Ooooo mysterious, it might be a bike with two wheels and suspension.

Even the hype train that is Evil, who’s been teasing the new Offering for months, doesn’t really surprise people when it finally drops.

Let’s stop acting like we’re blown away by press embargoes. I’d bet the Pinkbike Enduro mystery bike is the Dreadnaught or...a new, carbon Grim Donut.
  • 2 0
 @Grimes1405: Do it. You will not be disappointed. I was very concerned that it would leave me feeling underbiked, but on most trails it's faster than my enduro bike. It corners absurdly well, climbs absurdly well, and descends absurdly well. Closest thing I've ever had to a genuine quiver killer.
  • 2 0
 @learningcycles: It's good. The only thing that's different and takes a bit of adjustment is steep slopestyle/dirtjump lips. The elongation of the bike can make it a little harder to get pop, but it's definitely doable after a few sessions.
  • 3 0
 @ATXZJ: How well does the druid climb?
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: I noticed on fire road a bit slower due to drag but on tech climbs the suspension works really well especially off the saddle on roots and rocks
  • 2 0
 As far as bang for the buck, is it better to just get the complete build on Forbidden's website or just get the frame and build it from scratch?
  • 2 0
 @mountguitars: For value, definitely go complete. Part availability is a major issue this year. You would have a hard time sourcing any mid spec components.
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: Very well. Some drag in the drivetrain that you might notice on super boring climbs, but keeping your chain clean and idler pulley greased eliminates almost all of it. It excels at techy climbing. Incredibly supportive platform but somehow also great at absorbing small bumps.
  • 3 0
 @ybsurf: I haven't ridden either bike, but I would hands down take the Druid over the Offering.
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: dunno yet. Have a supreme SX high pivot and it does fine for a 37lb 180mm bike. Waiting for new long travel forbidden to replace the sx.

I will say that I've never had a bike accelerate in gnarly / rough downhill chunk the way high pivots do. Ripped my derailleur off and had to spend a day at the bike park chainless. Bike was a game changer for me.
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: also, check out the druid thread on mtbr for more info.

@mtnbikermike on here has one and he loves it. Good guy to get the no BS opinion from.
  • 1 0
 @allredbikes: Like a goat. Stable and great over tech/roots. Mine has a PUSH and a Vorsprung Secus and it's magic. Idler drags a bit, but I don't really notice and it's quiet if you clean your bike.
  • 2 0
 @ATXZJ: I actually enjoyed my Evil Following. It was a super poppy fun ride. The suspension wasn't as stable or bottomless as my 130 Druid (Push/Fox36+Secus), but that bike was years older. I would love to try the new Offering for shits-n-giggles. I think it would still be a fun time and rip some flow trails. I also must say, their new frames are beautiful. As an Industrial Designer, I have to point that out; well done. Pricing-wise they aren't too far off, but the Druid kits are better value IMHO (the seatpost was crap though).
  • 2 0
 @fudgedredd: can only compare a friend's bike I spent some time on. He had a v1 following and recently swapped everything over to a revel rascal. The rascal is light years ahead of the evil in performance and appearance but I'd imagine the v3 following is more refined than the v1.

In the end, hard to justify a single pivot with a modified shock rate to a full linkage bike. The rascal is also $300-400 less.
  • 1 0
 @johannensc: no boost was lol
  • 89 2
 A note to all bike manufacturers — I love well-produced bike edits as much as the next guy or gal, but when it comes to marketing a product, videos such as these don’t inform me as a potential consumer. If the inductive reasoning is ‘here’s our bike performing jumps and riding trails fast’ therefore the bike jumps well and will be fast for me as well, keep in mind -for the most part- any professional rider can use just about any bike to achieve the same outcome (think road-bike doing backflips on dirt jumps). I’d rather hear from the brand itself explaining what their goals with the project are and how you achieved them. And the two approaches aren’t mutually exclusive; you can cut-in ‘interview’ from engineers or designers with riding footy that compliments what is being discussed (e.g., “we wanted to achieve more comfortable and efficient pedalling ergonomics so we increased the seat-tube angle” cut to epic clip of someone climbing).
  • 6 7
 what do you have against slo-mo bro? haha.
anyway, a launch vid is supposed to make the product look rad. a hypothetical first ride/review or some other PR would be the time to talk about that stuff... hence this article and Kazimer's thinly veiled irritation...
  • 2 1
 Send this comment to the top! I 100% agree.
  • 5 0
 So true. Pro rider shredding your bike just says they are awesome at shredding any bike you throw at them. That’s right, any bike. Think about that.
  • 1 0
 Truth!
  • 2 0
 @noplacelikeloam: sure, but do you really want to see some schlub flailing around on his local groomer, or think that would inspire anyone to crave the bike?
  • 3 0
 @ccrida-pnw: not suggesting that. I think the OP above says it well. Show us why the bike is better than competition. What is its unique thing? Just sell it!!
  • 74 1
 Evil bikes: in Bellingham
@mikekazimer : in Bellingham

How hard can it be: VERY HARD
  • 9 18
flag Aikow (Dec 8, 2020 at 13:25) (Below Threshold)
 They can't keep them in stock. I think they would have it reviewed, but would rather just sell it.
  • 31 3
 @Aikow: there's old time beef between these two industry behemoths. dry aged beef. delicious dry aged beef. yummmmmm. must be lunch!
  • 21 0
 The Bible was always able to get them for their tests. Must be some old grudge or something?
  • 16 0
 Freehub Mag seems to get them every time...also great reviews tho.
  • 17 0
 @Sholgate122: Freehub has fantastic bike reviews!
  • 10 1
 There's definitely a little tension between PB and Evil. At least that's how it appears. And then the new Wrecker came out and Mike said the STA was too slack... ooo I recon Evil won't be sending any bikes to the Mikes anytime soon.
  • 14 1
 @Aikow: This site gets 7 million hits a day. Sending them a bike to review would be worth it’s weight just to make millions of potential buyers aware of the product. (Unless it cracked, which is not likely to happen). I’d spare one for that purpose if I were them.
  • 11 1
 There is for sure beef of some kind. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that freehub and bike mag always had the evils for their tests (and loved them) meanwhile PB will barely mention a word and if they do it’s always sparse with info and lightly seasoned with some salt. Whatever may be the reason, at this point I’m not sure I would be able to rely on any PB Evil review given the past underlying tenor.
  • 41 2
 @SimbaandHiggins, seems strange, doesn't it? It's been easier for me to get bikes in for review from tiny companies in Germany than from one based in the town where I live. There's no beef going on, it's just proven to be difficult to get a bike in for a proper long term review. Maybe a Calling will materialize at some point? We'll see.
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer: Fair. I’ll trust your sentiment So, should we expect a wreckoning v3 long term review? You eluded to one on your first ride vid.
  • 11 0
 @mikekazimer: Also, relatively related, it’s interesting how bikes or moreover bike brands tend to be tribalistic with some brands exhibiting that more than others. To that end I’ve always thought it’s interesting how divided people are on Evils. You’re either in the camp where you’re likely an owner and expound how they’re superior to all other bikes without question or in a camp where you chose from a myriad of hypotheticals to justify your stance against. Sure all bike brands have this to some degree but it feels like Evil has this more than others.

Anyways. My wreckoning is the greatest bike of all time...lol
  • 2 0
 @TheR: hopefully evil read this or maybe they don't have the production capacity to meet demand if pinkbike actually reviews them lol
  • 1 0
 @Deanosuar: emotional commitment to representation of self (bike shit) is sometimes hard to witness
  • 5 3
 @mikekazimer: How did Fanatik Bike, also in Bellingham, get a review out already?
www.fanatikbike.com/blogs/engage/evil-the-offering-v2-reviewed-offering-vs-wreckoning-vs-following
The town isn't that big.
  • 5 1
 @lbsteinm: because they sell Evil, dude... of course you're going to review the stuff you sell
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: from his ivory tower while he is warming his feet on a pig belly "get me a bike to review, dont you know who i am (with jersey shore inflection from the CT days)"

seriosuly though does seem oddSmile
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: I think there is beef, but it's ~10 years old and people have forgotten they even were aging this beef in the first place. Could be time to move on...
  • 3 0
 @Deanosuar: I completely agree with the tribalistic thing. I personally have owned two Evil bikes in the past, and really like them. I wouldn't put myself into any "expound how they're superior to all other bikes without question" camp, but I do like how they ride. I have had the chance to ride several models (Wreck v1 and v3, Following V1, Offering V1), and they definitely have a signature 'feel' to them. Thus, I can somewhat understand the love/hate thing among consumers. The

That said, I definitely get the impression that the tribalistic thing is not limited to consumers. I live in Bellingham, and there is a HUGE difference between Evil's relationship with the community compared to Transition, Kona, and (previously) Canfield. I've always gotten the impression that there is something going on behind the scenes, but perhaps its just that Evil recently relocated here. But when I buy a bike, I take into consideration the company and community. Thus, I try to buy from local companies (PNW, both sides of the border) as much as possible. One thing that I've noticed is that people in the industry have nothing but good things to say about companies like Transition, Forbidden, OneUp, and We are One, while the reception of Evil is a somewhat tepid. That includes feedback from Pinkbike. I trust the reviews and reviewers here at PB, and thus hearing this type of stuff give me pause.
  • 2 0
 Yeah the Freehub reviewers are great. I love those commentaries on the bikes as they ride fast AF. Great entertainment and info all wrapped up into one @Sholgate122:
  • 1 1
 Because Evils probably concerned that a frame will crack during the test Smile
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: Brian Park mentioned that some companies are more irritated by negative reviews than others. I always wonder if Evil is one of those. I'm sure it's wise of Pinkbike not to say which companies get their feelings hurt, but it's fun to speculate about who can take criticism and who can't!
  • 45 0
 Ha, sounds like someone is tired of being asked "when are you going to review the Evil ___?"
  • 7 0
 I offered to send any of mine in. I get al the new releases and I’m pretty much the same height as the Mike duo
  • 34 0
 whaaaaat? a 2021 bike launched almost in....2021??????
  • 12 0
 Yeah weired, should be at least 2023
  • 2 8
flag kyytaM (Dec 8, 2020 at 15:17) (Below Threshold)
 full review tomorrow
  • 39 11
 Can someone explain to me why everybody hates on super boost so hard?
  • 50 4
 Its a somewhat new standard with most modern bikes still being boost. Personally as someone who has finally got a nicer set of wheels with boost spacing I'm holding out hope I don't have to upgrade to yet another axle spacing in the future. Also with big feet I have yet to ride a super boost where heel rub on the chainstays isnt noticeable and annoying.
  • 35 7
 Because new standards make old standards obsolete and worthless from a resale standpoint.
  • 43 2
 1/// Owning a nice boost rear hub, such as Chris king or hydra that will outlast several frames.

2/// My test ride experience on a Pivot Switchblade left me feeling like the rear was too stiff, to the point where it felt like the rear end gets hung up in rocky sections. But I’m 155lbs ... heavier riders might find it to be just right. Also specific wheel and frame tuning can probability mitigate this.

3/// When plenty of regular boost bikes can fit 2.5 or 2.6 tires with a short CS, the question becomes... was it really necessary? [no]
  • 66 1
 Because 157mm axel spacing has existed for DH bikes for a while. When Boost was introduced, they could have just gone straight to a 157mm spacing, but why the f*ck would they use something that already exists!? So instead we got years of 148mm spacing claiming to be "the perfect middle ground;" only for super boost (157) to become a thing a few years later. It feels almost like incremental steps in the name of planned obsolescence.
  • 6 12
flag femto505 (Dec 8, 2020 at 13:32) (Below Threshold)
 @tgrummon: agreed! The initial release of Boost could have been 150mm vs 148mm. This would also utilize the old DH standard. I am stoked on the 158mm, hopefully the bike industry can consolidate one bike standard.
  • 14 7
 @Pmars88: my Kona honzo is boost and really short chainstays. My heel sits on the derailleur when descending. 157 is for plus bikes.
  • 3 1
 @tgrummon: the same could be said for 180mm single-crown forks where the concept of ‘mini DH’ bikes died out only for those same forks to return as ‘Enduro’ forks. My point? It may be difficult to justify something at the time. I suspect most people were not interested in 2.6” tires or perhaps other components (e.g., rims) were the weak-link. Now 157mm might be more ‘justifiable’ than it previously was.
  • 12 5
 Interestingly they’re the same people who screamed bloody murder when boost came out and now insist that it’s the best axle standard.
  • 5 0
 @tgrummon: aren’t the hub flanges different widths on DH and Superboost?
  • 10 0
 Because I just got with the Boost program last year and finally got all my stuff adapted to Boost. Now, I don't want to have to adapt all my stuff again to a new standard of Super Boost.
  • 3 1
 @tgrummon: If you look at the why for 148, there was a good reason, just everyone threw it out the window.
Go back and find some original articles on it. The idea was it was the widest you could go while not increasing the Q-factor of the cranks. In all reality we should have skipped 142 and kept the Q-factors down.
  • 8 1
 @Hayek: Normal DH150/157 have symmetric flanges, while super boost makes it asymmetric, so it can be wider for better stiffness. However, the locations of the rotor are exactly the same, so they are interchangeable.
  • 3 0
 @Hayek: Yeah, the hub flanges are wider on super boost than on DH spacing. But the only thing that actually impacts, from a component standpoint, is the spoke lengths. The bigger issue is the chain-line/bb shell width/cranks/q-factor (you pick) being different from DH to SB. But most people just want to know if they get a nice set of wheels, can they put them on their next bike.
  • 3 0
 @Hayek: Yes, but it doesn't make a difference on if you can use a 157DH wheel vs a 157SB wheel. 157DH wheels use the same length spokes on both drive and non-drive sides; on an SB wheel the non-drive side flange is further out, with the longer spokes on the non-drive side (rotor placement remains the same). I've swapped between the two standards without issue on the same bike.
  • 12 3
 If you're gonna adopt a new standard, there better be a good reason for it. There is no good reason for superboost.
  • 21 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: 142mm was one of the smartest new standards ever made and the reason that thru-axles became so common on AM, trail and even XC bikes in a very short period of time

142mm hubs are actually 135mm between the dropout faces. They took the idea of the small extensions on each end cap from QR hubs and resized them to fit a thru-axle, which made it much more consumer friendly than the old 135x10 and 135x12 standards. Since the dropouts were still 135mm apart they included the length of these end cap extensions in the name to differentiate. Hub companies could retool most of their existing designs and inventory with different end caps, and bike companies could keep their existing frame designs and just replace the dropouts. It was a huge success

When the time came for a stiffer standard, companies could have moved up to the 157mm standard. It already existed, and it followed the same pattern of using the age-old 150mm size and only changing the end caps. Instead we got 148mm Boost because they were worried about Q-factor, weight, heel clearance, etc. Which is fine if they actually stuck with it
  • 1 0
 @showmethemountains: Nothing you said I disagree with. If they had stuck with the narrower Q-Factor then 148 made sense. I had a Lenz with a 150mm rear, with the wider cranks I started getting knee pain.

We don't need 150/7 rear ends on sub 140mm bikes.
  • 7 4
 I’m really stoked on this bike and would consider buying it, but the super boost is a deal breaker. The hill rub is annoying and I’ve got way too many wheels that are boost.
  • 14 5
 @toast2266:

Reasons for superboost:
-wider spoke bracing angle = great wheel lateral stiffness
-ability to create frames with shorter chainstays
-ability to create frames with more tire clearance
-ability to create frames with stiffer rear end

Obviously, superboost isn't the only means to get the above. You can build a really stiff wheel with boost spacing. You can also create a stiff frame with short chainstays. However, all these things require compromises. Superboost simply helps make it easier to accomplish some things that Evil view as priorities.

Why did Evil go this route? They really like short chainstays. Its a key attribute that contributes to the poppy feel Evil bikes are known for. In the past, Evil's tended to have tire clearance issues and/or flexy rear ends. Evil's priorities here are pretty easy to see: short CS without sacrificing frame stiffness or tire clearance. Superboost is a logical way to accomplish that.

A lot of bikes have longer chainstays. Thats great! Adopting a new hub spacing standard on those bikes isn't as important. On this bike - and other Evil bikes - it makes a ton of sense. Whether you view those reasons as "good" is subjective. But this isn't just an arbitrary decision.
  • 4 0
 @diegosk: it's not "standard" if it's constantly changing....
  • 7 2
 We fear change
  • 12 3
 @jerrytek: except there are plenty of bikes with boost spacing, stays that are as short or shorter than an Evil, and still have good tire clearance. And wheel companies don't seem to be having any problem building wheels that are strong enough or stiff enough on the boost hub platform.

Just because the industry says something is better doesn't mean it's actually better in a practical sense. Abandoning an established standard better have some very clear upsides, and superboost just doesn't. Everything it purports to accomplish is already being done on the old / existing standard.
  • 3 0
 @toast2266: Wait are you advocating for 142 or 148?
  • 13 2
 @iantmcg: boost. 148. The standard that everyone had more or less agreed on until the superboost twats showed up.

And I'm not saying boost / 148 is particularly intelligent or anything special. It's just, for better or worse, the standard. And if companies are going to start messing with that standard, they better have a good reason. Superboost is not a good reason.
  • 2 0
 @toast2266: which bikes are those?
  • 7 0
 @jerrytek: still i can't understand why compaines needs longer cs to fit larger tires, my spesh enduro can easily fit 2.8 tires to its tiny 426 cs and i still never experienced lack of stiffness on my aluminium frame
  • 4 4
 I won’t go back to a frame that’s not super boosty. 190lbs
  • 5 1
 I would only buy this bike if it was Boost and I would very likely buy one. In fact, if Evil made a Boost rear end option for this bike with 438mm rear centre mould option with the same front triangle I bet they would sell at least 30% more.
  • 1 0
 So don’t sell it. @diegosk:
  • 1 0
 So don’t. Ride what you have @tacklingdummy:
  • 4 0
 @ces1965: there's plenty, but two recent ones: Canfield Tilt. 425mm stays, 148mm axle. Esker Rowl. 425mm stays, 148mm axle. Both have shorter stays than the evil and still fit decent sized rear tires.
  • 2 0
 @toast2266: Totally. I hate Supa Boost as much as the next guy. However, shorter chainstays and stiffer wheels are something that many ebikes need, yet I never see 157 on them. Infuriating!
  • 3 0
 I just bought a bike 2 years ago with boost spacing. Ain't going to spend a fortune again to upgrade to any superboost frame any time soon.
  • 2 2
 @jclnv: The last few year's model is regular boost. So go buy that one, and stop bitching about progress. Personally, I didn't buy this bike last year because I was waiting for it to get updated to superboost and internal cable routing...
  • 1 1
 @jaymac10: Heal rub and a 430mm rear centre across all sizes isn’t progress. That’s marketing.
  • 2 0
 @jclnv: believe it or not, not everyone that buys nice bikes races enduro or cares about their Steava time
  • 1 0
 If bike companies just designed a frame around swappable dropouts that can accommodate both Boost or Super Boost the stars would align, dogs and cats would get along, 29er fans and 27.5 fans would be saying "cool wheel size, bro", non-e-bikers and e-bikers would be high-fiving each other, but instead we have chaos and mayhem.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: no hate but I refuse to change from the current "standard". I'm finally on boost 148 and plan to stay there. Works perfectly for me and I've got to reason to change something that already works so well. Maybe for really heavy riders I could see the need but I'm gonna be pissed if the industry really tries to push everything towards super boost.
  • 2 1
 My reasons: 1. Yes it makes the wheel stiffer but with modern wide rims it is already plenty stiff with 148, 2. If you can't figure out short cs with 148 that's your engineering team's fault, 3. Swapping to a new standard for marginal gains has to stop somewhere. 148 is a good stopping point. So get lost 157.
  • 30 6
 Super Boost.....pft
  • 7 0
 I know right, I've only just gone Boost. I am WAAAAY behind the times.
  • 7 0
 Its funny that people fixate on this so much.

As far as standards go...I think the 30.9 post is way more annoying. Bike companies should be going bigger: 34.9!
  • 1 0
 @jerrytek: wait I don’t see it in the specs, what is this bikes seatpost diameter? Are all Evils 34.9?
  • 2 0
 @iantmcg: Evil is using 30.9 across their range now (at least on the newly released Following, Wreckoning, and Offering). Before, they had different standards on different bikes. 31.6 is probably the most common standard now, but 34.9 was starting to catch on with some companies.

A bigger diameter means more room for seals. Since seatpost seals are notoriously finicky, the bigger standard makes sense. This is one area that doesn't seem like a compromise. Besides slightly more friction, I don't see why a larger diameter dropper is a problem.
  • 1 0
 @jerrytek: I thought Evil did some 34.9 seatpost bikes at one point. Yeah 34.9 makes a ton of sense for the reasons you mention
  • 2 1
 @jerrytek: weight weenies will complain a thicker post weighs more
  • 2 0
 @Supergo: I don’t think a larger diameter post has to weigh more. With the larger diameter you can decrease wall thickness and potentially use lighter materials for the internals with the additional space. And if the weight penalty issues couldn’t be resolved I think XC could remain on the old standard and trail/enduro could go to the 34.9. I mean I think everyone would take a 20 or 30 gram penalty for less play in their post and more durability.
  • 1 0
 @jerrytek: Is it? I have White Ind, Chris King, Onyx, XTR, and Newmen hubs on my 148 wheels. They work great. It would be highly annoying to swap them to another hub "standard" for no gain whatsoever.
  • 1 0
 @JohanG: Exactly! 148 boost is not flimsy and does not need improvement. The article said to make clearance for the suspension they went with superboost......really turns me off when I gotta drop my current boost for superboost when boost if fine. Superboost is superbust!
  • 1 0
 @Supergo: As someone still on 142 though I’d rather just go to superboost since I plan on getting new hubs anyway at that point. Also isn’t there a supervoostinator?
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: No superboostinator.....that would be flex city!
  • 1 0
 @Supergo: I don’t see a superboostinatornfornsale but if the machining were to tolerance is shouldn’t flex any more than any other configuration as it would all be contained on the axle.
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: I think you have to look at the flex caused by re-dishing the wheel and not having spokes seated in the nipples correctly.
  • 16 0
 I am not sure why in present day there is so much hate for evil's customer service. I get it, they had their issues "back in the day".

My story is I have had an XL wreckoning since 2016. In 2018 I had an issue trying to figure out which bearing kit I needed. I called customer service and was immediately directed to the right bearing kit. At the end of the call, I mentioned "hey, by the way, my paint is chipping". It's probably my fault, my bike sits in my 1500 on my dakine pad all day in the UV while I am at work, as I mostly ride 4pm-6pm.

Without hesitation, evil said, hang tight, here is an rma number, we are shipping you a new frame.

Easy as that. I was not expecting that. I thought surely it was my fault for just leaving my bike for two years in a truck bed as I eagerly awaited my 1.5 hour rides, haha.

They are good in my book. For others who question the company, give them another chance. Because of this experience, my next frame will be an evil, regardless of wheel standard controversy. They delivered, were kind and don't forget, the bike rips.

Hope this helps a future buyer. Could not recommend the company enough.
  • 5 0
 Same. Prior Evil owner here. I've called them 3 times over the past 5 years, and each time my customer service was excellent!
  • 1 0
 @tatchle1: same here. They basically helped me with the parts needed to build up my first frame from scratch. Doing it for the first time is confusing as hell. I must have chatted with dude 20 times in a few days span
  • 23 5
 Looks.....cool I guess. Nothing makes me want to get one though.
  • 3 4
 Like the same as all other bikes...
  • 23 11
 Haters don’t know. The Offering v1 has been the best, most enjoyable all-day-driver bike I have EVER had! Climbs easy, and absolutely shreds the downs. It’s a very fun and playful bike.

Whatever incremental improvements they made on V2 can only make awesome more awesomer! Living in the PNW with steep climbs and steep descents, if I was looking for a new bike I could do pretty much everything on (I’m not), the new Offering would be at the top of my list for sure.
  • 8 0
 I can concur, my offering is f’in awesome
  • 5 3
 I assume they have figured things out since the days of the uprising where I could only fit a 2.2 tire for a bike described as aggressive.
  • 5 1
 I’d say exactly the same about my V3 Following if you didn’t need all that travel (I’m in the southeast). It does everything and is built like a brick shithouse so you can put that 120mm through more than I would try and subject any other short travel bike to.

Based on my experience so far I wouldn’t hesitate to get this new Offering for everything from trail riding to most park stuff.
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: They have. I have a Dissector 2,4 at the rear with lot's of space left, I'm assuming the V2 with SuperBoost has even more space.
  • 7 0
 If they add whatever magic climbing sorcery they put in the V3 Wreckoning you’ll be awfully pleased. Constantly amazed at how a 166mm 29er climbs and pedals, and is just insane on the downs.
  • 5 0
 @DrPete: Same. I continue to try to convince myself the Wreckoning V3 can't be my everyday bike. But every time I ride it I'm blown away at how good it pedals. No surprise that it absolutely shreds downhills big and small. Never has a big bike felt so small while at the same time can handle pretty much anything a DH bike can. Evil killing the game right now!!
  • 3 0
 Concur here as well! This new version made me happy to keep upgrading what I have. V2 is nice for someone who needs a new bike, but it is nice that it isn't massively changed!
  • 2 1
 It get's even better when you throw a Cascade Link on it. No need for a V2 now.
  • 3 1
 @taythecoug: Agreed. Not enough of a change to make me jealous. My V1 is right on the money for me.
  • 1 0
 @bk31: Is it worth it? curious to hear feedback on the link; been thinking about getting this but not sure it would work well with the Push shock.
  • 1 0
 @Mhilberts: @bk31 also wondering this. I am interested on the Cascade Link.

I have a Push coil as well.
  • 12 2
 Another super-boost 29er bike for 2021, feels like boost and 27.5 was just a fad all of a sudden.
  • 6 1
 *sticks fingers in ears*. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
  • 11 5
 Mid-travel 29er.... check. Modern geo balancing ups and downs... check. Threaded bb... check. Room for bottle... check. Stupid new hub spacing standard... oh darn, I'm out. So close.
  • 12 4
 Unpopular opinion: Newer generation Evil frames are uglier than their previous generation frames.
  • 3 3
 And the old ones were a tough act to follow in that respect.
  • 2 0
 totally.
  • 2 0
 Agreed. My Insurgent the best. )
  • 6 1
 Good video. The Evil Following definitely looks like a great no nonsense "do-it-all" trail bike. This bike goes against XMAS tradition, as only the "Evil & Naughty" should apply....
  • 6 1
 Those base prices are rough . Especially compared to Canfield’s recently released tilt . You can get it now is a plus and blackout drunk is the best paint name I’ve ever heard
  • 2 0
 Alloy vs carbon. In-house suspension design vs trademark royalties for Delta Link. No real sponsored riders vs sponsored racers, influencers, etc.
  • 1 2
 @PHeller: , I’m sorry you need a influencer to buy a bike that sounds painful . I’m not saying that evils suck , they ride ok , a little stiff . But I got a new frame ,fork , shock , carbon wheels and pedals for about the same price as the frame only option from evil during Black Friday . Your right I don’t get to brag that some dingdong on ig is posting pics with bike I ride (I’m not sad about it ). My riot was the best and favorite bike I’ve ever had and anyone who threw a leg over it was amazed and impressed . Plenty of racers on Canfield bikes , They are racing so I’m pretty sure they are real . Also a top level racer will win on any bike especially these days ( not so true in the 90’s) alloy vs carbon ? Saving 8 oz isn’t worth a ankle grabbing price tag to me . go ride a Canfield and then see how you feel about your plastic influencer bike . It’s available now and I’ll be waiting until spring , but I’ll still be riding . Cheers
  • 2 0
 @climber72: did I say whether was one was better than the other? The question was why are Canfields so cheap? It’s because they aren’t a huge company with lots of sponsored “pros”.
  • 1 0
 @PHeller: my bad????????
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer It seems clear that there is some kind of "beef" between Pinkbike and Evil. Riding around in WA state it seems like one in 3 riders ride an Evil, so they must be doing something right. I ride an evil offering V1 with a coil shock and think its an Awesome bike; yet Evil Bikes hardly ever get a mention and are never included in group tests (but I am sure there are a lot of "fans' of other bikes that feel equally left out so maybe I am biased)

Is it possible to explain where the apparent "feud" comes from ? Bring on the gossip, what did Kevin Walsh do or didn't do?
I know the silent treatment can be tempting sometimes (married for a long time) but it would be cooler if Evil got the playtime they deserve on Pinkbike imho.
  • 2 1
 its alright if pinkbike doesn't review Evil bikes. Maybe Evil knows pinkbike is sold out. there are enough youtube reviews around and friends who have awesome feedback on evil
  • 3 1
 Have you ever considered that EVIL does not send PB the bikes to review not the other way around? The last bike they sent Kaz (the coral color - cant remember the name), they only let him ride it for like 3 days before needing it back to send to another magazine.
  • 3 0
 @kawkaw: my Jeep owning friends give me glowing reviews of their jeeps too...
  • 2 0
 @TheBearDen: a lot of people aren't going to get that, but after two Jeeps, waiting on my Bronco.
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: lol it hits for those who need it to hit lol
  • 1 0
 @TheBearDen: so do my landrover defender friends. Evil has improved its warranty/replacements quite well as can be seen in one of the posts below. they replaced a whole damn frame for paint chipping off. Anyways i've yet to use it and intend to demo one before i decide.
  • 5 2
 "Rear end spacing is 12 x 157mm SuperBoost, which helped make it possible to have enough room to fit a 2.6” rear tire." While I don't have any beef with superboost aside from it's timing into the post-boost market, I don't really understand needing it to achieve 2.6 tire clearance as other bikes can manage this fine with regular ol' boost. If it makes the wheel that much better than all the power to'em.
  • 1 0
 It's due to the solid rear triangle design and their want for short chainstays. Clearance was an issue on the previouse gen bikes and it's a shame they had to move to super boost to do so.
  • 3 0
 I absolutely loved my Evil Following V1 until I had a few issues. The main pivot kept coming loose all the time and those pesky bolts snapped on the linkage? From what I can gather flex was possibly the main reason. My result of this was a worn out front end with a cost of $600 to replace, through no fault of my own? Before any Evil fan chips in and slates me for this comment I did mention how awesome it rode! Unfortunatly it's the only bike I have owned that's not stood up to the test of time. What's the bike doing now? well, theres a load play in the main pivot due to the axle coming loose and the linkage bolts snapping. This is just my personal experience. Maybe things have stiffened up on the rear end on the more recent models. Oh, and for the folk that are concerned about mud clearence it was never an issue. Still searching for a front triangle!!! What's the chance of Evil offering me a free front triangle for my following V1 if I purchase another Evil? A little nervous to re purchase Evil after this experience.....
  • 5 1
 If I remember correctly, evil bikes used to have slack seat tube angles. Looks like they fixed that.
  • 3 0
 It looks like Evil updated the derailleur cable routing — I believe they had issue with the rubber grommet pulling-out of the swing-arm.
  • 7 2
 Next version will be the one with a 64 HA and 78 SA. Pass for now.
  • 2 0
 I happened to be at this location while they were filming this little edit. Good bunch and cool to see the end result of their work. Totally takes me back to those couple days riding on north mountain this summer
  • 1 0
 Well that cluster mess of supension nestled in and around the BB, wont like the gloopy mud an grit off a boggin wet Scottish ride, it'll strip the anodising and get about sanding all around, not to mention a few jammed stones in there to add lockout, enjoy.
  • 1 0
 does anyone remember which manufacturer claimed boost allowed them to actually increase heel clearance only for it to get people point out that it only "looked" that way because they had fudged the diagram to give the impression of this.

heel clearance is the biggest concern i have for superboost and the reason that i will likely try to avoid this standard but there will always be the people that read bigger and newer and in there minds its a done deal and superboost is required as they shred soo hard on there bikes that they really do need this. To them i say its your fault pointless changes like this happen. And yes i think its pointless to have superboost on a bike with this travel that will likely be pedaled up as well as down and you can build plenty strong enough wheels already without messing up already tight heel clearance with and even wider rear end.

also do you think superboost will stick for dh....no way can a hub width meant for shorter travel bikes be considered good enough for these types......expect a new dh axle width immanently......assuming superboost gets picked up by enough manufacturers.

slow clap to all you people who blindly believe every paid advertisement or social media influencer you read/follow.

i guess its how 35mm dia bars are even a thing. it doesnt matter if it actually is needed (or even that it likely increases arm-pump) its newer so must be better. I am all for genuinely smart products (disc brakes being a good example) but the industry wants you to think your 2 year old bike sucks so you go out and buy the next one. sorry rant over.
  • 4 3
 Looks rad. Wonder when/if they plan to update the Calling and Insurgent. Might be interested in those. As someone on 12x142 I’m thinking I better go superboost next bike to reduce my carbon footprint.
  • 1 1
 I think PB should scrap advent calendar giveaway and just do an advent calendar bike release, it seems to be a whole whack of stuff coming out. I'm sure the bike industry would cooperate and make this happen. All the bike companies would be competing for the 24 spots. I think it would be great. More interesting than entering a giveaway everyday that you're never going to win.
  • 1 0
 I'd like to see what the small frame looks like, 355mm seat tube length is incredibly short, but with nearly 600mm top tube and 448mm reach, it's similar to most brands mediums so I'm intrigued.
  • 3 0
 Evil, a pic of the new bike in profile might have been a good thing to release...
  • 4 0
 Absolutely love my Evil. loving the new look!
  • 3 0
 Nice vid - groovy tune - but I'll keep my v1 Offering tho thank you very much.
  • 2 0
 Lovely looking bike, great video but for U.K riding this bike is going to hold a lot of mud and debris. Lots of small gaps and places for the dirt to get held up.
  • 4 0
 Yeah I heard there's none of that in Bellingham where their headquarters is. Absolutely no loam, dirt, grit, sand or goobies on the trails out here lol
  • 2 0
 I've been on an Evil Following MB for a while now, and despite some seriously mucky riding it's fared well. The linkage is sealed well, and the main pivots are protected from tire spray.
  • 1 2
 @ddspaz: thanks for the response of one normal human to another. Shame other comment wants to follow the PB standard Stereotype response.

Come ride the UK winter @TheBearDen you’ll understand a bit more. Not trying to discredit your loam, dirt or any other organic matter you have in your vast wilderness of knar. Sorry if I offended your loam, dirt, organic matter or ego. ????????
  • 3 0
 have ridden a gen 1 Following since release - the crud hoses out, has never been a problem.
  • 2 1
 A little birdy told me this bike has been ready for a while but there was production issues from Taiwan. The first lot of frames that arrived were all scrap... But can you really trust a bird?
  • 2 0
 Oh my Drool I’ve always wanted an Evil and this might just be my next bike!!! Those trails look amazing. Does anyone know where they’re located?
  • 4 1
 Looks hard to cram a motor in there...
  • 3 0
 Delivering aftermarket angle set straight up with new frame...
  • 2 0
 How does SuperBoost help in accommodating a wider rear tire? Why would one be dependent on the other?
  • 1 0
 because they say it does.........why would they lie. Its not like anyone would mind if it wasn't the truth Smile
  • 28 26
 Just looks over complicated and a bit Meh!
  • 14 13
 Agreed. Looks super busy
  • 10 13
 agreed
  • 47 4
 i have never understood this comment about evil's being complicated. Its a linkage drive single pivot... there are 4 pivots and 2 shock mounts, just like any horst link, VPP, or DW link bike. The just happen to be closer together on an evil.
  • 6 3
 @kwietrick: It looks it though!
  • 21 6
 Just needs a Trust fork to complete the look Smile
  • 11 4
 @MattP76: It doesn’t if you know what you’re looking at.
  • 11 0
 You riding an Orange, guvnah?
  • 2 1
 @kwietrick: shhhh don't let the dummies know whats up!
  • 3 1
 @onlyDH: No. And I would say they look way to simple and a bit Meh!
  • 3 7
flag generationfourth (Dec 8, 2020 at 13:08) (Below Threshold)
 I always thought they looked amazing in all the online media but the first time I saw one in person I almost threw up my cliff bar.
  • 3 5
 @y9pema: What that it looks way to complicated. Also a magnet for mud getting stuck in all that over complicated areas.
  • 8 0
 @MattP76: My offering picks up a lot less mud than my old Transition did. I would say the opposite to your statement is true, it sheds mud really well, and there are actually very few places for it to gather. As @jclnv said, it's actually not at all complicated and quite a clean design if you look at it in person.
  • 6 1
 @MattP76: LOL!!! you have no clue what your talking about.
  • 7 0
 @MattP76: it’s actually really not complicated at all. You learn how to put the dog bones back together, and it’s super accessible and easy to take apart/clean. I rode my wreckoning in very wet and muddy conditions and had zero problems with it.
  • 3 3
 @y9pema: you're
  • 1 1
 @onlyDH: I assume you are not talking about taking apart the suspension components to clean it?
  • 2 0
 @generationfourth: Kind Bars are better for you. Less sugar.
  • 1 2
 @suspended-flesh: We don't have those in the UK
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: thanks I will check them out.
  • 3 3
 Must be hard to clean.
  • 9 1
 Do you often make declarative statements about things you haven't seen in person, used, or understand?
  • 7 0
 @jerrytek: welcome to PB friend!
  • 2 7
flag MattP76 (Dec 8, 2020 at 22:44) (Below Threshold)
 @jerrytek: It called 'having an opinion'. Last time I checked it was my right to do that. Yes I have seen plenty of Evil bikes in the flesh and have know people who had them. In fact a few years ago they were far from the most reliable product too. I stick by my original statement that it 'looks' complicated (not 'is' complicated) and a bit Meh!
  • 1 1
 @MattP76: “have know” ?
  • 2 0
 Funny I was just thinking about getting a shorter but slacker bike.
  • 5 2
 Extra Legitimate.
  • 1 0
 Their website is spinning for me... is there another color option besides black?
  • 2 0
 Matte green
  • 3 1
 @rjm94566: Ugh, what's up with all these drab colors?
  • 2 0
 Still waiting for the Evil Fappening.
  • 2 0
 And when you've got a spare 3 weeks you can change the bearings
  • 5 5
 Looks great, I like Evil bikes! But I love Transition more, specially my Sentinel, so I’ll pass
  • 2 2
 So that Cascades linkage for the Offering was it for this new evil or for the older version ?

Im confused here
  • 2 0
 It's for the V1 (original) Offering.
  • 1 0
 That day when everybody has super boost and super boost x drops..
  • 1 1
 The shortest frame has a reach of 443mm?
WHO are you kidding !! Bikes are not SUVs.
  • 2 2
 Are they shipping with a spare rear triangle or do you need to find the cracks first?
  • 2 0
 $3300 frame?
  • 1 0
 And shock.....
  • 1 0
 @JEDDE: Shocks are not that expensive
  • 1 0
 Wasabi shadow...what color is that? Am i seeing a purple hue?
  • 1 0
 It's a dark grey with a slight hint of green.
  • 6 7
 If you want the world to take you seriously, don’t leave your chain on the small cog for pictures. Next....
  • 1 0
 Batteries were flat on that rear mech.
  • 2 0
 @AndrewFleming: I make zero excuses for someone not using a limit screw to get the chain on the right cog for a photo
  • 1 1
 That is cool that Evil is "offering" a new 2021 model.
  • 2 1
 Mullet version or nah?
  • 4 6
 Holy nooks and crannies Batman! My OCD would never be able to clean that linkage area properly...
  • 3 6
 Does Evil still call their suspension system Delta? I think Clusterfaak is more appropriate.
  • 2 5
 Wow, the most boring looking bike ever produced!
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