This morning I was bemoaning the overuse of the phrase 'quiver killer', and then the news came through about the new Evil Offering. Billed as “the quiet Quiver Killer,” the latest version is claimed to “sacrifice nothing but gives you God-like powers.” That's an extra strength dose of marketing lingo, so let's skip that and get to the details – if Evil are ever able to get us one for review we'll find out how those claims actually hold up.
The new Offering has 29” wheels and 140mm of rear travel, which is paired with either a 150 or 160mm fork. Compared to the previous version, there have been a few geometry tweaks – the reach is a little longer, and the seat tube angle is a little steeper. What about slacker? Not really – the Offering's head tube angle is still around 66-degrees depending on the flip chip position. However, Evil do offer an aftermarket 1.5-degree angleset, allowing riders an extra level of geometry customization.
The new Offering has 29” wheels and 140mm of rear travel, which is paired with either a 150 or 160mm fork. Compared to the previous version, there have been a few geometry tweaks – the reach is a little longer, and the seat tube angle is a little steeper. What about slacker? Not really – the Offering's head tube angle is still around 66-degrees depending on the flip chip position. However, Evil do offer an aftermarket 1.5-degree angleset, allowing riders an extra level of geometry customization.
Offering Details
• Travel: 140mm rear / 150 or 160mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Head angle: 65.9° or 65.3° (160 fork)
• Seat tube angle: 76.5° or 76°
• Reach: 486mm (lrg)
• Chainstay length: 430mm
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Price: $5,799 - $8,099
• Frame only: $3,299
• Travel: 140mm rear / 150 or 160mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Head angle: 65.9° or 65.3° (160 fork)
• Seat tube angle: 76.5° or 76°
• Reach: 486mm (lrg)
• Chainstay length: 430mm
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Price: $5,799 - $8,099
• Frame only: $3,299
Rear end spacing is 12 x 157mm SuperBoost, which helped make it possible to have enough room to fit a 2.6” rear tire. There's also a new wider main pivot with larger hardware that's said to increase stiffness and strength.
The carbon Offering frame with a RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate shock is $3,299, with complete build kits starting at $5,299. There are several different rear shock options to choose from, including a Push coil shock, which is a $900 upcharge.
Geometry with 150mm fork
Geometry with 160mm fork
More information: evil-bikes.com
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Does anyone know what rear travel will be? I like a 160/170.
Also, it sucks when one bike companies' news release becomes a discussion of another.
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It also sucks when someone exposes a brands embargoed trademark name on another brands press release...
Even the hype train that is Evil, who’s been teasing the new Offering for months, doesn’t really surprise people when it finally drops.
Let’s stop acting like we’re blown away by press embargoes. I’d bet the Pinkbike Enduro mystery bike is the Dreadnaught or...a new, carbon Grim Donut.
I will say that I've never had a bike accelerate in gnarly / rough downhill chunk the way high pivots do. Ripped my derailleur off and had to spend a day at the bike park chainless. Bike was a game changer for me.
@mtnbikermike on here has one and he loves it. Good guy to get the no BS opinion from.
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In the end, hard to justify a single pivot with a modified shock rate to a full linkage bike. The rascal is also $300-400 less.
anyway, a launch vid is supposed to make the product look rad. a hypothetical first ride/review or some other PR would be the time to talk about that stuff... hence this article and Kazimer's thinly veiled irritation...
@mikekazimer : in Bellingham
How hard can it be: VERY HARD
Anyways. My wreckoning is the greatest bike of all time...lol
www.fanatikbike.com/blogs/engage/evil-the-offering-v2-reviewed-offering-vs-wreckoning-vs-following
The town isn't that big.
seriosuly though does seem odd
That said, I definitely get the impression that the tribalistic thing is not limited to consumers. I live in Bellingham, and there is a HUGE difference between Evil's relationship with the community compared to Transition, Kona, and (previously) Canfield. I've always gotten the impression that there is something going on behind the scenes, but perhaps its just that Evil recently relocated here. But when I buy a bike, I take into consideration the company and community. Thus, I try to buy from local companies (PNW, both sides of the border) as much as possible. One thing that I've noticed is that people in the industry have nothing but good things to say about companies like Transition, Forbidden, OneUp, and We are One, while the reception of Evil is a somewhat tepid. That includes feedback from Pinkbike. I trust the reviews and reviewers here at PB, and thus hearing this type of stuff give me pause.
2/// My test ride experience on a Pivot Switchblade left me feeling like the rear was too stiff, to the point where it felt like the rear end gets hung up in rocky sections. But I’m 155lbs ... heavier riders might find it to be just right. Also specific wheel and frame tuning can probability mitigate this.
3/// When plenty of regular boost bikes can fit 2.5 or 2.6 tires with a short CS, the question becomes... was it really necessary? [no]
Go back and find some original articles on it. The idea was it was the widest you could go while not increasing the Q-factor of the cranks. In all reality we should have skipped 142 and kept the Q-factors down.
142mm hubs are actually 135mm between the dropout faces. They took the idea of the small extensions on each end cap from QR hubs and resized them to fit a thru-axle, which made it much more consumer friendly than the old 135x10 and 135x12 standards. Since the dropouts were still 135mm apart they included the length of these end cap extensions in the name to differentiate. Hub companies could retool most of their existing designs and inventory with different end caps, and bike companies could keep their existing frame designs and just replace the dropouts. It was a huge success
When the time came for a stiffer standard, companies could have moved up to the 157mm standard. It already existed, and it followed the same pattern of using the age-old 150mm size and only changing the end caps. Instead we got 148mm Boost because they were worried about Q-factor, weight, heel clearance, etc. Which is fine if they actually stuck with it
We don't need 150/7 rear ends on sub 140mm bikes.
Reasons for superboost:
-wider spoke bracing angle = great wheel lateral stiffness
-ability to create frames with shorter chainstays
-ability to create frames with more tire clearance
-ability to create frames with stiffer rear end
Obviously, superboost isn't the only means to get the above. You can build a really stiff wheel with boost spacing. You can also create a stiff frame with short chainstays. However, all these things require compromises. Superboost simply helps make it easier to accomplish some things that Evil view as priorities.
Why did Evil go this route? They really like short chainstays. Its a key attribute that contributes to the poppy feel Evil bikes are known for. In the past, Evil's tended to have tire clearance issues and/or flexy rear ends. Evil's priorities here are pretty easy to see: short CS without sacrificing frame stiffness or tire clearance. Superboost is a logical way to accomplish that.
A lot of bikes have longer chainstays. Thats great! Adopting a new hub spacing standard on those bikes isn't as important. On this bike - and other Evil bikes - it makes a ton of sense. Whether you view those reasons as "good" is subjective. But this isn't just an arbitrary decision.
Just because the industry says something is better doesn't mean it's actually better in a practical sense. Abandoning an established standard better have some very clear upsides, and superboost just doesn't. Everything it purports to accomplish is already being done on the old / existing standard.
And I'm not saying boost / 148 is particularly intelligent or anything special. It's just, for better or worse, the standard. And if companies are going to start messing with that standard, they better have a good reason. Superboost is not a good reason.
As far as standards go...I think the 30.9 post is way more annoying. Bike companies should be going bigger: 34.9!
A bigger diameter means more room for seals. Since seatpost seals are notoriously finicky, the bigger standard makes sense. This is one area that doesn't seem like a compromise. Besides slightly more friction, I don't see why a larger diameter dropper is a problem.
My story is I have had an XL wreckoning since 2016. In 2018 I had an issue trying to figure out which bearing kit I needed. I called customer service and was immediately directed to the right bearing kit. At the end of the call, I mentioned "hey, by the way, my paint is chipping". It's probably my fault, my bike sits in my 1500 on my dakine pad all day in the UV while I am at work, as I mostly ride 4pm-6pm.
Without hesitation, evil said, hang tight, here is an rma number, we are shipping you a new frame.
Easy as that. I was not expecting that. I thought surely it was my fault for just leaving my bike for two years in a truck bed as I eagerly awaited my 1.5 hour rides, haha.
They are good in my book. For others who question the company, give them another chance. Because of this experience, my next frame will be an evil, regardless of wheel standard controversy. They delivered, were kind and don't forget, the bike rips.
Hope this helps a future buyer. Could not recommend the company enough.
Whatever incremental improvements they made on V2 can only make awesome more awesomer! Living in the PNW with steep climbs and steep descents, if I was looking for a new bike I could do pretty much everything on (I’m not), the new Offering would be at the top of my list for sure.
Based on my experience so far I wouldn’t hesitate to get this new Offering for everything from trail riding to most park stuff.
I have a Push coil as well.
Is it possible to explain where the apparent "feud" comes from ? Bring on the gossip, what did Kevin Walsh do or didn't do?
I know the silent treatment can be tempting sometimes (married for a long time) but it would be cooler if Evil got the playtime they deserve on Pinkbike imho.
Come ride the UK winter @TheBearDen you’ll understand a bit more. Not trying to discredit your loam, dirt or any other organic matter you have in your vast wilderness of knar. Sorry if I offended your loam, dirt, organic matter or ego. ????????
heel clearance is the biggest concern i have for superboost and the reason that i will likely try to avoid this standard but there will always be the people that read bigger and newer and in there minds its a done deal and superboost is required as they shred soo hard on there bikes that they really do need this. To them i say its your fault pointless changes like this happen. And yes i think its pointless to have superboost on a bike with this travel that will likely be pedaled up as well as down and you can build plenty strong enough wheels already without messing up already tight heel clearance with and even wider rear end.
also do you think superboost will stick for dh....no way can a hub width meant for shorter travel bikes be considered good enough for these types......expect a new dh axle width immanently......assuming superboost gets picked up by enough manufacturers.
slow clap to all you people who blindly believe every paid advertisement or social media influencer you read/follow.
i guess its how 35mm dia bars are even a thing. it doesnt matter if it actually is needed (or even that it likely increases arm-pump) its newer so must be better. I am all for genuinely smart products (disc brakes being a good example) but the industry wants you to think your 2 year old bike sucks so you go out and buy the next one. sorry rant over.
Im confused here
WHO are you kidding !! Bikes are not SUVs.