Evil Releases New 140mm 29er - The Offering

Sep 29, 2018
by Mike Kazimer  
Evil Offering

The Offering is the newest addition to Evil's lineup, a 140mm 29er that's intended to sit nicely between the 120mm Following and the 161mm Wreckoning. According to Evil, "the Offering ended up being a unique specimen featuring some attributes and ride qualities we have been wanting to add for years but needed to wait for the right moment."

The big news is the Offering's steeper seat angle compared to Evil's previous models - with a 140mm fork it sits at 77-degrees, a number that taller riders will be especially happy to see. It's also possible to run the Offering with a 150 or even a 160mm fork depending what type of terrain a rider is planning on tackling.
Offering Details
• Wheelsize: 29"
• Travel: 140mm
• Carbon frame
• Head angle: 65.6° - 66.6° depending on fork, geo setting
• Integrated chain guide
• Clearance for 2.6" tire
• Price: $5,699 - $7,399, Frame only: $3,099 USD

The reach on a size large is 482mm, right in line with the most modern bikes currently hitting the market. There's also room to run up to a 2.6" tire, and two drain ports have been added near the lower shock mount to give all that loam somewhere to go during those sloppy rides. And yes, there's room to mount a water bottle cage inside the front triangle. Phew.

The frame only is priced at $3,099 USD, with complete bikes starting at $5,699. Want to go with a coil shock? Evil offer a Push 11.6 upgrade option that adds $900 to the final price.

Evil Offering

Evil Offering
Evil Offering

Evil Offering
The Offering uses Evil's Dave Weagle-designed Delta suspension layout, a link driven single pivot, for its 140mm of rear travel.

Evil Offering


  • 464 13
 Make a 26” 180 freeride bike with Marzocchi fork and call it “The commenting”
  • 19 2
 Green arrow up.
  • 8 2
 all the green arrows
  • 36 11
 They can take our water bottles! But they can never take our Freeride!
  • 13 1
 Can the fork be a Shiver?
  • 9 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Is that you Wakiam Wallace?
  • 9 2
 @WAKIdesigns pro model. Monster T edition
  • 9 0
 The mentioning
  • 7 3
 My 2012 Canfield One works jus fine :-)
  • 5 1
 Man that was a good one. This is what you were meant for.
  • 9 16
flag ShempHoward (Sep 30, 2018 at 4:37) (Below Threshold)
 Bend over and I'll show you the perfect mounting location for your water bottle cage.
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 I approve of this message
  • 2 0
 Can anyone get me into the loop here?
  • 9 1
 @wowbagger: not now I am afraid. You must wait for The Reopening
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: allllrighty then
  • 5 0
 You go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!
  • 7 0
 @wowbagger: well-founded question. At first glance, the comment is funny because it mocks Evil's naming convention as well as commenting in a single stroke. The only thing connecting this with 26" freeriders nostalgic for Marzocchi, who have made no appearance here, is that they too are bashed. The glib preening aggression is reflected in the aggregate haste of the upvoting. It would require a nonbiological descendant of Wien's most infamous sexual theorist to be explained more fully.
  • 2 0
 @ceecee: thx for this analysis - i guess we can safely assume that Freud would add nothing but something about our mother here Big Grin
  • 6 0
 @ceecee: the interpretation of a poem doesn’t always match the intented meaning of the author, you strike close though. I wished to show the tragedy of the failure of forming middle class, where individuals are presented with idea that they can afford almost anything save definite riches and a bicycle seems to not be a particularly luxurious object. Unfortunately the upper class has penetrated even the simple sport of cycling and established their stronghold in there where certain objects come at prohibitive costs like this Evil bicycle. In this way the representative of the working class realizes that there is no safe haven and he is sentenced for lesserness. Even Mountain biking cannot offer him shelter. He must face his lower societal status.

Many are ill equipped to do so. They fall into resentment reannacting the archetypes of the opressed and the opressor, the tyrant and the slave, but also the paradise lost. Nostalgia is always present in those menta constructs, however the individual remains unconscious of the fact that past times were not better times, his awareness was different. He lived in the dream world of ignorance, neither could he ride nor could he afford the top stuff, so he bought an old bike.

Hence I bring the 26” freeride bike as the archetypal artifact of those who resist the reality, who shout out loud on comment boards on how have taken the wrong direction. This mythical bicycle is the paradise lost. The one that opressors have destroyed.

Since Evil has such naming, as you accurately noticed, it was a good occasion for me to form such compound of concepts. I believe many who upvoted it did not realize the true meaning. But that is what comedy is for. Tell them the truth without them realizing their tragedy. That is inability to reconcile with their past an take the painful step forward to embrace the new reality and deal with it, as a result becoming heroes. Only to come to yet another closed door that will require from them to begin this process again and again. Here we come to the biggest tragedy, the death of Garden of Eden. Realization that we don’t areive anywhere, we merely move through time and space. If such 26” 180 bicycle would be coonjured certain individuals would face the ultimate horror, that this bike changed nothing. The dream come true is often the worst nightmare.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: "There are two tragedies in life. One is to lose your heart's desire. The other is to gain it."
  • 99 3
 An evil? On pinkbike?!
  • 17 1
 haha thought there was a de facto Evil embargo.
  • 70 6
 In other news, Intense has an interesting looking new e-bike called The Disgusting...
  • 7 7
 @scary1: This should be the top comment!
  • 10 37
flag dubod22 (Sep 29, 2018 at 22:57) (Below Threshold)
 @scary1: Accept the world is changing. It’s generally good
  • 13 13
 @dubod22: Accidentally upvoted you. Meant to downvote your support for junk products.
  • 2 4
 @casman86: you didn't read the top comment did you
  • 21 3
 @casman86: Haha, there is something beautifully tragic about being downvoted for saying the world is changing.
  • 3 2
 @dubod22: my point was that it's just fugly. Like most intense stuff in the last year
  • 2 0
 @scary1: ha ha ha rad
  • 3 0
 @scary1: TAZERFACE!
  • 74 29
 Evil was built on gaining publicity with top talent and then actively exploiting that talent for their own capital gain and the capital loss of anyone who invests time in the brand. Some interesting folks run that joint.
  • 33 14
 I'd have to sue them to get compensated. This was a business deal I did at 19. Not trying to say I was completely ignorant victim, but i was far less experienced. They used that to completely take advantage of me when they were much smaller and needed the help after they lost everything the first time.
  • 35 13
 Working for Specialized now so who cares but I thought I'd enlighten the audience as to how some people in the industry choose to behave.
  • 11 5
 @jasperwesselman: That's a shame. It's too bad they haven't squared up with you in regards to that video. Thanks for sharing.
  • 21 8
 @Grimes1405: Tons of athletes have had tough goes with these guys as well. If management changed I'm sure the brand would be gigantic.
  • 16 6
 Bikes are fucking incredible though. I have an undead in my living room.
  • 30 74
flag thejake (Sep 29, 2018 at 14:54) (Below Threshold)
 So let me get this strait. You got taken advantage of, in your opinion, at age 19. Now at a few years later your bitching about it online. Did I get that right?
  • 36 9
 @thejake: You got your opinion right!
  • 11 7
 Thanks for sharing this, sucks if there are weasels at Evils management.
  • 12 82
flag chupicocconut (Sep 29, 2018 at 15:27) (Below Threshold)
 Hey Jasper, why don't you take your butthurt over to MTBR with the other basement dwellers.
  • 24 2
 @chupicocconut: Brentwood sucks.
  • 16 0
 @jasperwesselman: I don't understand and I am genuinely curious and neutral. You made that video for them for free? You haven't explained why how you were exploited. It is a great video, BTW.
  • 55 7
 @iamamodel: I asked for a complete following on launch. After I sent the video in they reamed me out for screwing things up in their view. I even made changes after that. They acted like they were making do with my crap work and they had to post it anyways to launch the bike. I never got my following. Note, this was a handshake deal. I was younger and less knowledgeable, screwed it up bad. Again, I'm only a victim of my own trust in people who would jump on an opportunity to get something for free. I just think its valuable to share so people protect themselves in business and that even rad companies like Evil Bikes will play games to get their way over your way or a reasonably fair way. I believe opportunities are earned. But outcomes should be fair. Also note, they had basically no money at this point after having to warranty countless frames and losing investors.
  • 14 1
 @jasperwesselman: Ok, thanks for letting us know. Yep, the ol' handshake is something that I, and in terms of hard life lessons, we should all fall victim to at that age. And the good thing is that we learnt that lesson by taking a loss of only a few grand (which is all the money in the world at that age, I know), instead of something bigger later on. You never make that mistake twice. I haven't.
  • 10 3
 @iamamodel: Exactly, better to get thrown around in a proving ground then to screw it up on the world stage. Reading people and situations is definitely an acquired skill. Even if you think you're good.
  • 10 3
 @jasperwesselman: the ultimate hype brand. For a brand that started out plagued with issues, everybody still held hope and gave them sympathy. I suppose it was in a hope of seeing them grow into something new and special. They certainly grew, in a way that benefits them...they love to blame everyone else. If anybody cares to go read the full release on vital or other sites, they don’t admit they they were following rider demands and trends when chooseing the new geo. They blame it on their customers running it with too long of a fork in the low and slack setting...
  • 19 6
 @mountainyj: Their bikes are no joke. Worth all the hype. Honestly don't let what I tell you deter buying decisions. I only wish I had one of my own for all the contributions I made generously to their "foundation"
  • 42 3
 @jasperwesselman: I am honestly not surprised. Last time I told my story about interactions with evil, I was down voted away. I took the leap and had an uprising some time ago. When I went to sell it, the buyer contacted Kevin Walsh and Kevin tried to talk the buyer out of it because it was used. It's a shame that evil is the one succeeding and not canfield. The Bros are nothing but class and great bikes.
  • 13 1
 @adrennan: Kevin is a genius designer/artist/creative director/bike company ceo and a very intelligent, passionate dude. Thats the problem. He's too good at making reality his own.
  • 4 4
 @Rusettipasta: Snakes in the grass.
  • 6 2
 This is all very interesting. I know they have had more than their fair share of failures over the years. The following was having tyre rub issues under full compression in the slack setting with recommended width tyre (2.3 ie relatively narrow) and evil didn’t do a heck of a lot about it. Kind of said we’re aware of some issues and left it at that!........not great on any frame let alone a 3k one!
Bikes are great to ride tho!
  • 9 4
 @Rimrider26: Come to think of it. Luke Strobel came over to my parents place one day so we could do flat drops out of my truck bed and record them in 480fps to send to engineers so they could solve those rub issues. Damn shame they couldn't solve the rub problems or give me a bike for dealing with that.
  • 24 9
 You’re complaining about Evil being shady but pumped on being with Specialized? Makes no sense. There’s a reason that Specialized has a stupid turnover rate. I too drank the kool-aid for a time until I got to get booted out the door along with Many others soon after. No bike company is perfect homie, and the bottom line almost always matters more than its faithful employees. I hope you’re successful there, and I hope they’ve changed their practices with employees, but always have a backup plan... especially around the 5-6 year mark where they lay off most employees in lieu of fulfilling profit sharing contributions into employee 401k’s. @jasperwesselman:
  • 23 2
 @biffgeiser1: I'm a freelancer who is creating content with them. Not a full time employee. I look out for my bottom line and vision just as they do.
  • 29 3
 @biffgeiser1: They also pay people for their time involved so thats sweet.
  • 16 5
 Thanks for sharing. After reading this and the mtbr thread, I will not be purchasing a third Evil.

Too many hardworking folks who treat their employees and customers right to give these guys my hard earned money.

And you absolutely should sue them.

Especially if they hit you with a cease and desist after your posts (which I imagine they will).
  • 14 3
 @jasperwesselman: I was about to add this to my list of bikes to test, but after what they did to you I'll pass. That video you made was damn good I don't know what kind of problems they could have had with it. Obvious bullshit just so they could try to not pay you. If a simple handshake doesn't mean anything to them I'm not gonna trust them to warranty a broken frame.
  • 21 59
flag thejake (Sep 29, 2018 at 20:26) (Below Threshold)
 @jasperwesselman: this is funny. Bash a company, then say "who cares," then dont let this detere you from buying and then back to bashing. Classic passive aggressive behaviour. Just out of curiosity did it ever cross your brain that this kind of total shit and unprofessional conduct might hurt you more than them? Good luck buddy, you need lots of it.
  • 25 46
flag schnaiac (Sep 29, 2018 at 20:44) (Below Threshold)
 @thejake: I couldn’t agree more (I meant to upvote your comment)

Using a public forum to express your grievences against a company while claiming you work for a competitor is unprofessional. That kind of stuff gets noted.
  • 35 1
 I've had less than ideal experiences dealing with Kevin back when I had an Evil Revolt. Ended up selling it (I was very open about my experience with the buyer) but when the buyer had issues with the frame Kevin was apparently pretty quick to help?

The Revolt was also one of the fastest bikes I've ever owned. The Following has a following and I'm sure it's for good reason. The bike looks mean as f*ck, I bet it's as fun and fast as it looks, but after all the reviews and my own experiences with the customer service side of Evil, I'll never own another Evil bike, which is a shame.

Also, if you wanna see more industry experience with evil exploiting athletes, watch the Cam Zink documentary. While talking about sponsorship and Evil he says "never saw a dollar from them, fronted my whole travel budget again." He rode for them for free. This was the year after winning joyride, rampage, and winning the FMB overall. Not a good look for Evil in my book.
  • 24 0
 @jasperwesselman: lets be real, calling the Following "mountain bike of the decade" is dismissing all the revolutionary development that has occured since 2010 and doing a disservice to the entire industry.
  • 9 17
flag vwvoodoo (Sep 29, 2018 at 20:59) (Below Threshold)
 Oh don't worry you'll never get screwed over by Specialized... ????
  • 7 4
 Well It’s not like they hid it from anyone i.e. evil .... :-/

Thought I read somewhere that it’s the official bike of the church of satan :-p

Perhaps a more accurate name is The Duplicate. It looks like every other model currently being sold. They could make an xxxs version and the call it Mini-Me.
  • 2 11
flag ledude (Sep 29, 2018 at 21:58) (Below Threshold)
  • 20 3
 That's a shame, the video you did is a $50,000+ project in the advertising world. I bet if you added up the hours you put into it and calculated them at silly low skill labor rate of like $20/hr, it would add up to more than the cost of the bike you never got. Bro deal industries like bike and surf are brutal for creative content makers.
  • 28 2
 @jasperwesselman "interesting" folks at Evil. You understate. Thanks for being open about your experiences: which many have shared.
  • 137 32
 @jasperwesselman I pretty much never comment on here, but you’re posts have finally driven me to the comment box. I salute you.

As a couple of other people have also suggested, what you are doing with these posts although you think is probably a service of some kind to the biking community, is actually doing a massive dis-service to yourself.

I’ve worked in the freelance media/ad industry for 18 years. Most of the time projects and relationships go well, everyone’s happy, and your bank account is grinning. Sometimes though, shit goes sour, relationships break down and money never comes.

In my humbled experience, whichever way the cookie crumbles, the responsibility for your own protection and path in a client relationship is always entirely your own, and no one else’s. If it f*cks up, it’s because you didn’t put the boundaries in place to keep it sunny side up. Your responsibility.

So, when shit does hit the fan, what you do is look at what went wrong, learn, be humble, and change your process for next time. That’s professional. What you absolutely for the mother of every f*ck ever given don’t do is go out in the public domain years later and lay bare your victimised story of your mistake (yes, in brutal reality your mistake), in gruesome detail, over repeated posts, from only your perspective, exposing private business interactions and defacing and slandering the company you fell out with in front of the eyes of the world.

That, Jasper, is the most incredibly, deeply, purposefully unprofessional thing any supposed professional could ever do.

It seems, despite saying you put your bottom line first these days, what you are actually doing is putting your ass on the line, again. You haven’t learnt your lesson from the first time round.

My advice to you, with many many trusts more experience learning the hard way, is remove all your posts immediately, get some perspective on your actions, and never pull this shit again.

Because if I was a bike brand owner/manager, and I needed content producing, and I read this page, I’d see you as an unprofessional risk to my company, and there is no way on God’s earth I would ever go anywynear you. And I’m an atheist.

Heed good advice bro
  • 7 8
 @silkyrhino: good video, but $50 grand? I'm no creative genius, but I could have knocked that out with a couple of months of hard work at 19, which I certainly wouldn't have deserved that kind of money for.

A nice bike, on the other hand, is totally in line with what I'd expect.
  • 51 49
 And may I just add, while I’m on my balls deep commenting expedition, for all the sympathisers of Jasper’s cause who now swear to never buy an Evil bacuse they are, um, evil(?) because some stuff didn’t go quite right once in a while ... order yourself a home delivery step ladder, a really big one, prop it up against your Redwood sized pedestal, and calmly but surely walk yourself down to planet earth.

Whilst on your walk back to reality, the real questions you should be challenging yourself and your consumer purchasing choices over are, maybe, where and how does Apple source it’s rare earth minerals that make your iPhone your tapping away on so riotously? Where does Ikea source the wood from that your so so comfy bed you’re reading this post from is manufactured from? And how many communities of animals were displaced in the process? The beef burger you’ll eat tonight whilst reading over these posts (likely giving you indigestion because eating + rage is not good for your tummy, yo), how many rivers are in drought from being shyphoned of water to feed your beautiful beef burger supply vehicle?

(That’s a cow. Btw)

My point? These are bikes. They are toys for us privileged few, and we are in no uncertain way privileged to be even contemplating these kind of toys. And these are incredibly minor mistakes in the grand global scheme of business behaviour and economics. If you really want to be a warrior and opinionist about business behaviour, then please take your energy to a more worthwhile and important place.
  • 7 4

Maybe they didn’t have the money then to pay you, but they do now. One bike now would be a drop in the ocean for them now.
They should give you a offering with enve and push upgrades to set things straight...
  • 31 4
 @emilebennett: Sorry man but I disagree. I've owned 2 evils and this bike ticks all the boxes for my next bike so how Evil treats it's employees and the people it does business with is very important for me. One of the reasons why I bought an evil is because of it's underdog image. Working against the odds to produce great bikes. If this isn't the case then I might as well go and do business with a truly evil company like Specialized.
  • 2 5
 You’re looking at a man who owns an Evil - and loves it (Emille that is - it’s an epic sled) @tkaszuba:
  • 5 0
 @jamesdunford: I also own a Following MB after I upgraded from a Following. I love their bikes and I would love if the company is as good as their product.
  • 22 4
 @emilebennett: How minor these mistakes are is highly relative because Evil is not the only bike company making truly great bikes at the moment. Never heard of Transition, Devinci or Pivot for example f*cking someone over like that. So yeah, it matters. Maybe not much in the grand scale of things, but I'd always rather support good people over those who do dumb shit. That doesn't mean I can't care about bigger issues at the same time.
  • 36 8
 @emilebennett: sh*t that was an annoying little rant
  • 12 3
 @emilebennett: you left your valor signal on...
  • 2 18
flag chupicocconut (Sep 30, 2018 at 7:50) (Below Threshold)
 @jasperwesselman: why don't you come meet me here and we can talk about it
  • 5 3
 @emilebennett: “evil”, The Duplicate/Lookalike, and Mini-Me aka Dr Evils side-kick, commentary was not intended to be taken so seriously, let alone at all, sigh ....
  • 5 18
flag richard01 (Sep 30, 2018 at 8:16) (Below Threshold)
 Did you pay for the use of the music in the video YOU made?
  • 25 6
 @richard01: From free music archive, royalty free.
  • 21 3
 @jasperwesselman: So I checked this out. If you use it for "NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. "


Its fairly clear. If you made money off that video then you owe the artists a fee.
  • 4 0
 @richard01: Ooops, didn't expect this.
  • 7 3
 @tkaszuba: Did we even consider if that bike would have been a form of taxable income, not that much different from a 5K bonus. Bring on the downvotes...
  • 3 3
 @richard01: are you sure that was the stipulation 10yrs ago (or whenever Jasper made the project)??
  • 27 3
 @emilebennett: if this was a one off story I would agree with you, but when you take their practices as a whole it points to a company that has not done things the right way for a long time. This makes it a systemic problem and not a one off issue.

Also the OP took full responsibility for not protecting himself properly. If these stories do not come out into the public view then Evil has the opportunity to take advantage of others who do not go in eyes wide open. Perfect information (everything available to everyone at the same time) leads to a perfect market. For those that are willing to accept the risks after knowing their practices have no excuses. Evil changing their practices and even possibly making things right due to market pressures is a result of a well functioning market.
  • 3 2
 @Svinyard: No I cant say that 100%, but its the norm for this sort of thing. Free, if you dont make any money.
  • 2 0
 @swright: Really? You decide that one a one sided story..?
  • 147 18
 Hold on there Jasper. I think things are being taken a bit too far. From someone who worked on the Calling Project, we need to set the record straight. While the filming part of the project went pretty smoothly, leading up to the edit, you really started pumping up your work... You described the initial edit as “some real Scorcese sh*t” but when we watched it, the edit was full of issues. From continuity errors to just bad cuts that made no sense. We gave you feedback but you just wouldn’t make the changes. In fact we went through three sets of revisions and you wouldn’t listen to what we wanted. You even leaked the video to a competing brand in an effort to validate your work. You left us no choice but to move ahead and finish the project without you. Despite your inability to take constructive feedback from your client and finish the project we gave you a brand new bike frame. The other filmer on the project, who stuck it out, was paid in full with a complete bike. And not to mention that we had to pay another editor to finish your work. In fact, if you believe so strongly in your work why don't we have a video-cage-match with your “Scorsese” cut against our final professional edit. I’m sure the PB public would love to see that play out.

The long and short of it is that you just failed to complete the work. And despite us having to pay other people to finish - you still got paid too. So we square.

I’m not sure where all this started up for you. Since we posted the first Kyle Norbraten Wreckoning LB edit you’ve been hammering some of us with emails and trolling us on social media. And lately you’ve taken this to new levels with 4 or 5 sh*t talking emails per day late this week and now this thread on PinkBike? We get it haters gotta hate, but there are always two sides to every story.

We were never anything but respectful to you. In creative services you have to remember that the client is always right. You aren’t making some film school art project you’re making a commercial video that is designed to highlight the specific attributes of the bike. If you can’t accomplish the ask, you will be replaced with someone who can. Sorry but that’s just life.

Now I’m sure you’re going to keep chirping but before you go too far, remember what you are trying to do for a career - which usually revolves around filming top secret pre-launch product and riders... and all you’re proving to everyone is that you can’t keep your mouth shut.

That said, we appreciate the publicity Pinkbike has given to the launch of the Offering. It’s a rad bike and we hope you like it.
  • 38 0
 Just spoke to a producer in Korea, he thinks this could be the making for a drama series hit tv show
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flag jasperwesselman Plus (Sep 30, 2018 at 10:32) (Below Threshold)
 Calling project?
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flag jasperwesselman Plus (Sep 30, 2018 at 10:36) (Below Threshold)
 This thread revolved around the Following project specifically.
  • 8 9
 @Rusettipasta: Sucks that their frames are a lame 3 year warranty! Lifetime or nothing nowadays!
  • 5 6
 @jasperwesselman: And still only offer a 3 year warranty on a over $3000 frame!
  • 16 0
 Oh man....... NOW I need some popcorn......
  • 7 1
 @bohns1: I mean if you had had that many frame failures as a company, would you be offering a better warranty?
  • 2 0
 @evil-bikes: What Norbs Wreckoning LB edit are you talking about?
  • 15 8
 @Rusettipasta: Probably because it's a rare combination for A) someone to fu>K up a project or really just not listen to the client all while B) being an 18 year old kid that doesn't know how to not burn bridges on something that is ultimately was his own fault regarding payment. I mean, look at it this way, it took 8+ posts to really decipher how Jesper was "screwed over". The kid is just shooting himself in the foot as @emilebennett is saying.

Thanks evil for making my next bike!
  • 23 13
 @evil-bikes: awesome for getting involved and setting out your side of the story - there always are two sides. My point in my rambles earlier today was exactly this. Before we all go basing our personal judgments and brand alliances on one persons story, it’s really important to hear both.

I had a feeling this is the kind of situation that you were in. It’s incredibly rare the freelancer just doesn’t get paid for the great job they did, and more often the case they just didn’t do the job right and can’t swallow their pride to accept their failure at working for their client, and consequent (fair) lack of payment.

Sounds to me like you were fair as fair all things considered.

Small brands aren’t ever going to be perfect, they are going to make mistakes because it’s damn tough and damn expensive to do what you guys do, making awesome toys for us to play with. Maybe all of us here on Pinkbike could start giving all the small guys, Evil and all the others, a bit of slack when they get it a bit wrong, and a bit more of the benefit of the doubt when one or two people start talking them down.

We’re all friends here after all.

Ps, thanks for your bikes Evil. I’ve owned many bikes over the years, but the Wreckoning absolutely rips every other bike I’ve ridden to pieces. And everyone who rides mine comes away saying the same thing. Keep doing your awesome thing ????
  • 21 3
 Well going back that far... you received a frame for that project as well.
  • 3 0
 @adrennan: I would do everything in power to turn it around and get to that point yes.. Sort of like what crank brothers has been doing of recent. If I couldn't offer that I would lower pricing.
I just spent the extra bit and ordered the sb130 frame at those prices.
  • 6 6
 @evil-bikes: I definitely got a frame for: Luke Strobel TMC Raw
  • 17 4
 His isn't the only story heard of like this, from professional transactions to warranty claim issues, you have problems. Now I'm sure you're going to keep chirping but before you do remember what you are trying to do as business is sell bikes in a time when "everyone"has a voice.
  • 5 2
 @jasperwesselman: You are claiming @evil-bikes stiffed you for THIS project correct?

And @evil-bikes just claimed they gave you a frame as payment, for THIS project.

Which one is it boys? You can’t both be right.

I have a feeling I know who is playing some word games here, and but lets hear it straight from the sources.
  • 5 6
 They are speaking of the calling video. I initially referenced the following. Nothing crazy
  • 9 3
 @jasperwesselman: If only you saw the irony in that statement.
"Working for Specialized now so who cares but I thought I'd enlighten the audience as to how some people in the industry choose to behave."
  • 2 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Hurts all parties until truth is set straight
  • 9 7
 @jasperwesselman: Nothing crazy?

Evil’s post makes it sound like they DID pay you for the Following video with a frame. They did not.

They paid you for an entirely different video- which you did not even call out in your post- therefore irrelevant and straw man on Evil’s part.

I’d be suing their hipster capri’s off
  • 11 4
 @dtm1: what I find most shocking at this point in the thread is that people are still giving props to someone that is slandering. If Evil didn't pay him for the original video it's his own dumb ass fault for going back and working for them again. Sounds like they did pay him though. Even though his actions may have cost Evil a couple sales I'm glad he did post because he just put a huge cation flag on his own career. Once again, good luck buddy, you need it.
  • 9 6
You must live on the other side of the world where you aren’t familiar with evil screwing over numerous people.
  • 2 1
 @jflb: Common guys, in your side of the world people are suing each other for any stupid little reason. Yet with numerous people getting screwed there is not a single documented story about it ?
  • 3 0
 I'm following this thread to see what the true offering was in regards to payment, now let the name calling begin
  • 7 1
 I’d ask Vogel about that... he was their video guru, made some beautiful video, but alas he has somehow left the company. Maybe ask the product developers and engineers who are no longer at Specialized... lovingly called Pressurized by its employees. I think a couple years ago they cleaned house and cut 20-30% of their employees. Crazy for a company that really knows how to take care of its people. The free oatmeal in the morning is a nice perk though. You do freelance, so contract work. That’s awesome! But understand that you technically have no job once that contract is up unless they want to hire you for another. For your sake I hope you’re smart with money and aren’t just working for free bikes.

Sounds like you’ve never really experienced the true love of Specialized, which of course is the love of money and the lack of caring for its employees. Knowing many others at other companies I know that other companies treat their people far better than the one you kinda sorta represent.

And before you think I was some nobody there, if you have ever toured the company you’ve seen my work in a very large portion of the warehouse. Hell, my handprint and name is in concrete there if you look hard enough.

I’ve ridden many bikes. I know how bikes ride. I could care less about the inner workings or politics of a company who’s bike I’ll own for a year or two. If the bike rides well I’ll buy it. For me, Evil bikes ride well, so I will continue to buy them. Sorry for your situation man, after reading Evil’s side it kinda sounds like you didn’t fulfill your contract how Evil wanted, so maybe they didn’t compensate you how you wanted... that’s business homie. Maybe you should do what so many others in the bike industry have done and move on?

  • 5 2
 the manager at the Hub in NC, told me they are very hard to deal with. They even had to pull the bikes for a short period of time. I think they are the leading seller of evil on the east coast too. Just sucks they make such a great bike. ive had 3 of them
  • 4 7
 @evil-bikes: Standby and I will dispatch the WAA-bualance stat for J”ass”-per
  • 8 22
flag jasperwesselman Plus (Oct 1, 2018 at 9:52) (Below Threshold)
 "The fact that a man who goes his own way ends in ruin means nothing. He must obey his own law, as if it were a daemon whispering to him of new and wonderful paths. There are not a few who are called awake by the summons of the voice, whereupon they are at once set apart from the others, feeling themselves confronted with a problem about which the others know nothing. In most cases it is impossible to explain to the others what has happened, for any understanding is walled off by impenetrable prejudices. "You are no different from anybody else," they will chorus or, "there's no such thing," and even if there is such a thing, it is immediately branded as morbid. He is at once set apart and isolated, as he has resolved to obey the law that commands him from within. His own law! everybody will cry. But he knows better: it is the law. The only meaningful life is a life that strives for the individual realization absolute and unconditional of its own particular law. To the extent that a man is untrue to the law of his being. He has failed to realize his own life's meaning.” - jung
  • 19 6
 @jasperwesselman: have you ever kissed a girl?
  • 5 2
 when we make fun of others with jung, it’s cause we’re not happy with ourselves.
  • 5 0
 @emilebennett: man you like the sound of your own voice
  • 5 2
 @lee-jordan: I mean they are called evil bikes for a reason right?
  • 1 2
 @dtm1: Umm... the post does not make it sound like that ...
  • 5 5
 @jasperwesselman: Evil's comments below do not put your post in a good light. ".... who would jump on an opportunity to get something for free." Sounds very doubtful that that's the whole story. Posting something like this in a forum is not a smart thing to do. I would never hire you after reading this, no natter how talented you might be.
  • 24 2
 Cant differ that bike from other evils...
  • 26 0
 So we need the Differing.
  • 19 1
 good to see they’ve got the ST angle soughted. Great bikes! The following kind of left you wanting more and the wreckoning is a monster so this should be spot on! Geo looks great too!
  • 37 0
 Looks like a great offering, right?
  • 12 3
 Bought a wreckoning a month ago. By far and away the vest bike I have ever wridden. A downhill bike that rips uphill and wants to be thrashed both up and down. Nothing beats it at all.
  • 13 8
 Never had a chance to ride one, but i wonder why there are so many barely used evil on ebay and other spots.
  • 17 0
 @MonEddy: Wonder how good it would be with sleeves?
  • 4 0
 @RedRedRe: my only experience is riding a mates following and it was a Sled for sure. Laid back weapon. Just the seat tube angle was a bit too slack. Also know they had some issues with tyre rub under full compression in the slack setting.........kind of worrying tho!
  • 4 0
 @gonecoastal: I see what you did there.
  • 1 0
 agreed. Long legs/short torso and I owned a following v1 and seat was waaaay too far back. Seems like the Calling addressed this a bit in the few side profiles you can see. Hope this one doesn't go too steep (for us leggy folks) like the ripmo did. @evil-bikes, wish you'd put some true side profile shots instead of the weird not-quite-side-angle shots you seem to stick with...
  • 21 0
 Doesn't look like a Session. I'm out.
  • 6 0
 And no idler pulley... like wtf!?
  • 22 2
 I just wanted to let everybody know... I dont care.
  • 4 0
 sorry i don't care
  • 19 3
 Got’s to love the PB comments sections.

Good place to catch up on dirt, accusations and allegations.

Love it. Keep it coming.

Would love to hear more about the whole Spec slander. Will wait for the next Spec bike review.
  • 16 3
 Pinkbike is in 4chan mode
  • 19 4
 Evil screwed my mate on a warranty. Rear triangle was cracked, they said it was crash damage despite the bike being in showroom condition without any other marks. Beautiful bikes but wouldnt buy anything from Evil. I few other questionable actions have been raised above. Plenty of other great bikes from companies I want to deal with
  • 11 1
 And I have a friend who on more than 2 ocassions has gotten a whole new triangle for far less than cracking. In both instances evil dealt with it swiftly and professionally.
  • 1 2
 1. Did your mate put a go-pro pointing at your rear triangle and recording every single ride he did ? How can he be sure he never hit a branch or rock while riding. I know i couldn't and I could understand a company being wary of false "my frame broke suddentlyy while I was taking picture of the landscape" claims.

2. Did evil provide a way to get replacements for the broken parts ? At which cost ?
  • 19 5
 “The frame only is priced at $3,099 USD” get out of Seattle, the idiot cash is steering your company! Maybe launch a bike called The Rational and give it a reasonable MSRP?
  • 9 6
 The cost of manufacturing a frame isn’t dictated by the cost of keeping the lights on in Seattle. Clyron you are a simple man....
  • 7 1
 @GregTownsend: then get the warranty straight then.. 3 years is lame ass compared to current lifetime trends.. Even yeti stepped their game up.. At that price there's better options..
  • 16 1
 Downvote all you want, but it was refreshing to me to see something other than beers at the end of a launch video.
  • 3 2
 dairy is disgusting though.
  • 2 1
 @colincolin: Said no cow ever!
  • 2 1
 @colincolin: What the hell was that?!? Super disturbing.
  • 41 28
 Thank you Norco for the new fluid.. Complete bike with a nice build cost less than this frame
  • 21 11
 How about you conpare this with a sight since they're in the same category unlike the 120mm aluminium fluid?

Sight C1 5199$ with lower specs than the evil

Who the f*ck upvotes this kind of idiotic comment?
  • 7 10
 fluid is a hardtail whose high end build has a RockShox sektor, NX Eagle, Shimano altus brakes, total crap for wheels and a dropper post no one has ever heard of. You might as well be thanking Roadmaster for making an even cheaper full suspension bike ...
  • 3 1
 @LOLWTF: pb comment sections are not a place for logic
  • 12 2
 I am still riding my 2016 Evil Following (V1) . Frame has had zero issues. The first suspension frame where I didn't have slop/play develop after a season. Unfortunately I crashed a month ago in an enduro race and cracked my rear swingarm. I was worried that there was going to be no replacement swingarm due to the MB. Popped over an email to Evil, was pleasantly surprised they got back to me within 24hrs. The crash replacement cost was very reasonable. New swingarm was in my hands in a week. Bolted on, and was riding later that day. Zero complaints about how things were handled. I am gonna buy the Offering to replace the Following. The Wreckoning is just alittle too much for the riding I do around my parts.
  • 2 0
 My wreckominc has been through some stuff, and I'm honestly not sure how I haven't had to have a crash replacement yet. Either way, Evils current track record for cost effective crash replacements is one less thing that I need to worry about
  • 9 1
 @emilebennett: So suck it up and don't let anyone know who or how unethically you were treated sounds to me like anti#metoo for the corporate/bike world. Never tell or you'll never work again... really?! Sorry, I disagree. If people were more transparent with company's who act unethically, this would be a better world. Perhaps making more professional (less "dude") posts about one's experiences would be a better way to communicate things but "not" speaking out is a lousy solution.
  • 16 6
 I see the color options are "My Boy Blue" and "Blackout Drunk" does Blackout come in a Kavanaugh Edition?
  • 2 4
 They could offer a few others along the same theme:

a pink The Getrichdeceiving edition
a blue The Innocentlynching edition
and a red The Havehadourfillofthisimmoralbs edition

just a hunch, but I’d expect red to be the #1 seller based on current trending
  • 10 0
 Missed opportunity it should have been the fingering
  • 4 0
 Cove bikes trademarked that in the.90s
  • 3 0
 Or what about “the munging”?
  • 20 14
 So when are you going to finally stop shunning evil and do some reviews on their rad bikes?
  • 78 5
 They're welcome to send in a bike for review whenever they'd like. And we did review the Insurgent a few years ago: www.pinkbike.com/news/evil-insurgent-review-2015.html.
  • 26 3
 You can tell there’s something going on by the way it is.
  • 17 13
 When they pay for it?
  • 8 9
 Is PB put off by the increasingly weird model names? It's all a bit Dungeons and Dragons.
  • 71 4
 @aaronfpeet, we absolutely don't charge companies to review their bikes, and it doesn't matter if a company is just one dude in a garage or a global behemoth - all relevant bikes are eligible for review.
  • 4 19
flag AlexS1 (Sep 29, 2018 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 @aaronfpeet: Yeah, if say everyone else are paying (one way or another), there's no reason pb should do it for them free.
  • 8 0
 @AlexS1: does PB give good reviews to not good bikes in anyone's opinion?
  • 39 3
 @mikekazimer: tinfoil hats are strong today!

Thanks for all the hard work publishing and doing articles man.
  • 2 0
 @mhurt5712: I'm listening
  • 15 3
 @mikekazimer: there was a rumor floating around for a long time, based off an old contract for Bontrager that leaked. I’m sure you guys remember it. But when individual companies are left out of the largest MTB site on the internet, it rings that bell.

  • 9 1
 @mikekazimer: why can't someone just go rent one and review it like a regular guy would??
  • 25 0
 @mikekazimer: I’d love to know more about your review process; that would be a really cool content peice. About your selection process, how you work with the brands, your testing strategy, how you select which staff member for which bike... etc
  • 9 6
 @Svinyard: because none of the pinkbike staff pay for their own bike parts. There is pretty much zero regular guy traits on staff.
  • 7 0
 @mhurt5712: You can tell the way it is by the way it is.
  • 40 2
 @Svinyard, our reviews take longer than a couple days - we typically try to get in at least a month or two of solid riding on a bike. That way we can start to assess long term durability, and make a note if anything breaks or doesn't work as it should.

And @onemind123, I'm not sure what you mean by 'regular guy traits', but I worked in bike shops as a mechanic for 12 years and drive a 1994 4Runner - that seems pretty regular to me.
  • 12 2
 One of the reasons why so many people are conspiracy theorists (about paid reviews) is because most pinkbike reviews are glowing; other than that Jamis review recently. However, I'm guessing that pinkbike has plenty of bikes/products in the review pipe, so if a product/bike is garbage early in the evaluation process, its just pushed out to make room for other things. No one likes to piss all over someone's hard work and livelihood, even if their offering (get it) is sub par. @mikekazimer correct me if I'm wrong.

PS I'm in no way implying that Evil bikes are garbage. I think the Wreckoning is the best looking mountain bike since the 26" carbon Wilson.
  • 4 2
 @aaronfpeet: If you really think PB are accepting money for good reviews (which they aren't), why are you bothering to read their content?
  • 36 0
 @mikekazimer: Can we get an in-depth review of your 1994 4Runner?
  • 3 1
 @BenPea: To a good reviewer, a paid review doesn't automatically means a good review. It could be a bad one. And it doesn't have to be an outright paid one. It could be a free review for ads / banners placement... As much as I'll like one, there's no free lunch.
  • 25 0
 @Dont-hit-trees: Lemme tell you... Used to be my 4Runner and it's f*cking wicked. 22RE original engine. Sold it to Mike and stoked to see it around still.
  • 5 28
flag onemind123 (Sep 29, 2018 at 19:05) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: see regular people that I know that work in a bike shop or drive a 94 4Runner do not ride multiple $10k+ usd bikes per year.

You and your colleagues are very fortunate to ride the best of the best on a regular basis, and not have to for out any money from your pocket to do that. But you are not part of the regular guy group. When was the last time you have had to make a bike related purchase based off just reading info off of internet forums?
  • 3 11
flag dtm1 (Sep 29, 2018 at 20:04) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: Why do you believe you know the answer to whether PB charges for reviews? I can promise you, whether they do or do not, you would not know.
  • 23 3
 @onemind123: dude... chill out with the guilt trip. I'm sure @mikekazimer is totally aware of how fortunate he is, as are his coworkers. Companies want to send their best equipment and believe it or not, a lot of these companies want honest long term reviews because they back their own and it makes them look better when the product comes out shinning in the end. Kaz's job comes with some great perks, so does mine, and so do a lot of peoples. It's not a crime to take advantage of them. I'm sure Kaz could be making a lot more doing other things, but that's a choice he made. Between all the reviews out there, some common sense, and maybe a demo day.... that's more than enough for you to make an educated decision on buying a nice bike or product. Quit shit-talking people and take responsibility for your own and let Kaz do his thing. He owes you absolutely nothing.
  • 2 7
flag dtm1 (Sep 29, 2018 at 20:05) (Below Threshold)
 @jerrytek: Lol and you know this how exactly?
  • 2 4
 @BEEner: no guilt trip at all, he asked the question, I answered what I felt. At the end of the day I don't think he needs someone like you to come and rescue him. He could just ban me if he was really offended.
  • 1 0

Sometimes it really do be like that.
  • 2 0
 @mhurt5712: that's pretty neat
  • 1 1
 Pea that one have the removable top?@mikekazimer:
  • 6 0
 Even if I try really really hard, I can't see that 77 degree ST angle in the geo chart.
  • 2 0
 Chart shown is probably the 150 fork specs.
The 140 fork in low(not x low) states 77 per evils website.
  • 4 0
 @jrocksdh: It would be easier to find a Yeti ( Wink ) than someone who will want a 140 mm fork on that bike
  • 1 0
 @pakleni: I agree. I haven't seen many 120 forks on followings either. Nice to have the geo chart to show difference anyways...evil almost needs 3 charts per bike with 140 rear or less.
  • 7 0
 eh, who needs both kidneys anyway
  • 3 0
 Ugh so true. I am trying hard to put off buying a new bike for another year or two but bikes like this and the knolly fugitive LT are just killing me.
  • 7 5
 @KennyWatson: well you can rule out the knolly because SB157 is going to be a failed experiment. (If this comment goes +, 148 it is, if I go -, SB157 just hot-Carled your mom)
  • 9 1
 What is this new brand?
  • 7 0
 That edit was sick. So much shreddage.
  • 14 8
 A company I will never buy from.
  • 3 1
 @jasperwesselman: sorry to hear about your situation. In my experience people not paying for goods and services is all too common nowadays. Learn from your mistakes and don't trust anyone who says they will pay with an informal agreement. Agree payment and contract terms before doing the work and always make sure those terms are documented and signed by both parties to give yourself some form of legal protection should things not turn out as you had planned. On the plus side your Following release video was excellent and really showed off your talent. This must have given you a lot of exposure at that early stage in your career and hopefully opened a few doors for you going forward. Yes it's annoying not getting the payment you had agreed on for doing a job but doing that release video perhaps gave you some other valuable experience and benefits that subsequently had a positive influence on your career.
  • 8 3
 Beautiful machine, but I never imagined frames costing well over 3K.
  • 6 4
 This is actually on the cheaper end for carbon frames. Its the same price as comparable frames from Santa Cruz, Ibis, and Pivot, and cheaper than framesets from Yeti, Trek, and Spec. Plus, Evil frames come with a headset and chain guide. That's probably $100-200 value, depending on your preference. Its costly, but pretty much par for the course these days.
  • 3 0
 In Europe a V10 frame costs 4000€, a Firebird 3700€.
Consider yourself lucky Smile
  • 7 2
 2017 Wreckoning for sale....
  • 12 1
 Shitttt Hightower LT for sale lol
  • 3 0
 @cyrways: might wanna wait. I would bet new hightower coming soon...
  • 4 1
 @cyrways: that HT geo was never that great but the idea was. The beauty of that bike is that it pedals well and started a bit of a trend with that. I didn't like how it rode tho as a taller guy. An updated Hightower in the same vein as the new yeti ripmo offering is obligatory at this point and will just be a better all around bike... These true mid travel 29ers are master of none bikes but great at everything... I wouldn't want the pedaling and quality issues associated with Evil stuff. Yeah they will send you replacement bolts etc but it's still going to be a lesser quality bike than that updated Hightower (and I'm not SC fan as ALL of their bikes sucked for a tall guy aside from XXL which was too big for my 6-4).
  • 3 0
 @Svinyard: solid points.

just wanted to be “comment cool”, as a knee jerk reaction to the interest of Thai new bike.

I’m an SC fanboy and love my Hightower LT and Tallboy, don’t intend on selling them any time soon.
  • 4 0
 Love my Wrecker! This one looks sweet! They thinned up the top and bottom tubes on this one compared to the Wreckoning.
  • 6 1
 Looks like Evil has made me an Offering I can't refuse.
  • 5 1
 Better start Offering a better price. Iam broke. Amazing looking bike yet again from these folks.
  • 6 1
 Maybe an aluminum alloy (I.e. affordable) frame and and call it Kinda Bad
  • 4 0
 Haha yes the Evil Unpleasant™
  • 9 6
 Got a YT Jeffsy at half the price. 140mm rear and swapped out for 150mm fork. In the hole for 4g. Hard to justify paying more.
  • 5 2
 unless your looking for modern 29er geo and in XL. The Jeffsy 27.5 geo is good, the the Jeffsy 29er geo is dated already...
  • 4 0
 @stiingya: Could buy a Jeffsy, take of all the parts, burn the frame, put the parts on an Evil... There you go.
  • 3 0
 @stiingya: That and the damn things are never in stock and u can't get frame only options in Canada so YT is a know go.
  • 4 0
 @JBSDesigns: Na.. Cuz then you'd be stuck with a 3 year warranty.. Put those parts to good use and get them on the sb130.. No we're talkin.
  • 4 0
 I was afraid someone was gonna rob Norbs' bike while he was at Dairy Queen..
  • 5 0
 Are people still buying non e-bikes?
  • 4 0
 Where has Luke Strobel been? I was hoping he would be in this video, love his riding.
  • 5 4
 They got to big to fast and started selling cheap quality bikes. A lot of people in my area (Texas) who had broken frames had to go round and round with evil to warranty.... When a company openly admits over the phone they do quality control test on their frames with a baseball bat.... i'm out.
  • 7 5
 I Wreckon they'd sell more bikes if the company's leader wasn't so shady. Using revenue to fund a personal rally truck/car hobby is a quick way to sink an operation. Hard pass.
  • 2 2
 That's called profit last time I checked
  • 4 1
 @honda50r: Haha you might want to refresh your memory on GAAP. I'm not talking about what Kevin might do with his paycheck. Let's turn to Evil COO Jason Moeschler for his corroborating thoughts on this rumor.
  • 2 0
 @sngltrkmnd: Their credit and tax situation must be frightening.
  • 2 0
 @jasperwesselman: Yeah, I don't understand how they get by, or plan to move to Bham with the stuff I hear about operations in Georgetown. It's truly a shame, too, because I demo'd a Wrecker and it rode f'ing awesome. But I'd never buy one under the current ownership situation.
  • 1 0
 @sngltrkmnd: ive got an old undead that i'm forever in love with.
  • 1 0
 @jasperwesselman: 26isundead? haha
  • 2 0
 FYI: it turns out they messed up all their marketing material and the official tire clearance is actually 29 x 2.4" or 27.5 x 2.8". All references to "clearance for 2.6" tires" has been removed from their website
  • 1 0
 I'm pretty sure Evil gets inspiration for their color naming conventions from urban dictionary. Rusty Trombone, Angry Dolphin.....perhaps future models we'll see a Hot Carl, Alaskan Pipeline, Cleveland Steamer. A boy can dream.
  • 7 3
 THE one bike to rule them all!
  • 8 7
 Apparently whoever thought eliminating the High/Low designation was an inspirational idea never considered this interpretation:

Low = clips roots and rocks
X-Low = ankle breaker
  • 1 0
 Spark makers! I still like X-low, strike and sometimes crash as I do.
  • 4 2
 I can’t believe that they keep coming up with these bikes but haven’t made a Dh bike yet. And putting a Dh fork on a wrekoning or insurgent doesn’t make it a Dh bike.
  • 3 1
  • 3 0
 They should have given it the name for the bike of true love- the swallowing!
  • 4 0
 Revelstoke is a calling
  • 3 0
 Really cool edit nice riding and jumping
  • 2 0
 Possibly one of the best commercials I've ever had the pleasure of watching!
  • 3 1
 Only $3,100 for the frame?! Jesus H Christ, that's more than the last complete bike I bought...
  • 3 3
 “ with a 140mm fork it sits at 77-degrees, a number that taller riders will be especially happy to see.”
Is this true? Why? I always though a steep seat tube was mostly beneficial to shorter riders.
  • 5 0
 Because it means the seat doesnt end up above the rear axle (exaggeration) with a 170-200mm post fully extended. The steeper the angle the more it places a tall rider over the BB at full extension which keeps the front end down and doesnt destroy your back on the way up unlike my Bronson haha.
  • 1 0
 @murrdogg - what NebulousNate said. I am on a Med Following (should've gone for a Large at 1.78m - no demos available so I went on the sizing chart which was a mistake), and my seat post is extended far out - maybe 230mm. My seat is nearly over my rear axle, and the bike climbs like crap to say the least, cannot keep the front end down and it destroys my lower back on longer climbs...
  • 1 0
 But, other than that I love the bike.... just wish I had gone for the Large.
  • 3 0
 @Rig: yeah dude, the Following isn't ideal geo. The seat angle and ultra short backend screw that bike up big time for decently tall people. Try being 6-4 on a following. It's just dumb
  • 2 0
 @Svinyard: Can Imagine how crappy that would be - even on an XL!
  • 1 0
 Great surprise seeing a proper seat angle from Evil! Really fascinating seeing how all the companies are dealing with this trend created by the smaller brands.
  • 2 3
 Everyone just ripped off Transition Smuggler and put more travel on it.
  • 2 0
 As with all Evil bikes, it looks spectacular. And, sadly, as with all Evil bikes, it is very much out of my price range.
  • 1 0
 Just one data point - have the original Following, simply a great, fun bike. All my interactions with Evil have been professional and prompt.
  • 1 0
 say a guy likes all the numbers for this bike, but only works a normal 'ol job and doesn't fix teeth for a living. What should he be looking at instead?
  • 1 0
 Still expensive, but a touch better: Guerrilla Gravity
  • 6 5
 Most bikes these days are pretty good. These, just gave themselves a bad name.
  • 14 3
 How could you give love a bad name? There's something evil calling, it's hard to wreckon with but what they're offering has built up quite a following.
  • 5 1
 @Mtmw: you must be insurgent?
  • 1 0
 @Mtmw: they really went the extra mile here. Seems totally legit with this amount of travel. Quite the shred apparatus.
  • 2 0
 @Mtmw: some people won’t sell their soul no matter what the offering
  • 5 3
 Can you make an aluminum 26 inch version and call it the Evil retro.
  • 8 1
 Don't forget -ing.
  • 2 0
 Evil europe is now in Spain
  • 2 1
 They have been in spain for ages
  • 2 0
 sick edit watched 3x in row perfect song
  • 3 0
 What's the frame weight?
  • 1 0
 On Fanatik they have the frame weights, apparently it's about the same as the MB.
  • 1 0
 Geometry in the database for comparison... Smile
  • 2 0
 My wallet be called "the unloading"
  • 1 2
 I don't know much about Evil... perhaps it is an "evil" brand. At any rate, their "offering" isn't that appetizing. I wonder how much pain it is to work on all those linkage points for mechanics???
  • 3 0
 It's easy. And you don't do anything with them unless a bearing as gone bad. Simple allen wrench later and you can remove the links.
  • 2 0
 So when are we going to see The f*ckening?
  • 4 0
 When you get your bank statement after having purchased.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Dear lord man, you're channeling Søren Kierkegaard ~ well played!
  • 2 1
 Wow Drool This would be the perfect bike for Ontario
  • 14 0
 A hardtail is the perfect bike for Ontario. Razz
  • 2 0
  • 2 0
 Looks perfect!
  • 1 0
 Looks Sick Love these bikes !
  • 2 3
 I know Evil bikes get very good reviews but does the linkage have to look like a mechano kit? I’m surprised there isn’t a simpler linkage design to do the same thing.
  • 3 0
 @mcvittees: I wouldn’t want one in the UK can you imagine that all the mud that would collect.
  • 2 0
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 Damn. Paired with 160 fork... this is my next rig!
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 Anyone know what song is used in the promo video?
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 The new offering or the new Stumpy? Any thoughts guys?
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 That linkage is giving me a headache
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 It’s 141 mm pb
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 Looks like a........actually no it doesn't! Breath of fresh air!
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 I think its about time to consider a new frame shape...
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 ? Do expand further?
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 Me likey.
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