Field Test: 2022 Scor 4060 ST - Fast & Filthy

Dec 17, 2021
by Mike Kazimer  


PINKBIKE FIELD TEST

Scor 4060 ST



Words by Mike Kazimer; photography by Tom Richards

Scor is a new brand that was created as an after-hours project by two BMC employees who wanted something a little different from what was in the Bicycle Manufacturing Company’s catalog. The 4060 is the result, a futuristic-looking carbon machine that uses a dual short-link suspension layout to deliver either 160mm of travel (on the LT version), or 140mm of travel on the 4060 ST that’s reviewed here.

The two travel amounts are achieved by using different shock stroke lengths – 62.5mm for the LT, and 57.5mm for the ST. There’s also an angle adjust headset that can be used to steepen or slacken the head angle by a little over 1-degree. It’s installed and removed like a typical press-in headset, so it’s not as simple as the drop-in cup used on the Specialized Stumpjumper EVO, but it does create the option to change either model’s geometry in a significant way.

Scor 4060 ST Details

• Travel: 140mm rear / 150mm fork
• Carbon frame
• Wheel size: 29"
• Head angle: 65.5° or 64.3°
• Effective seat tube angle: 78°
• Reach: 485mm
• Chainstay length: 433mm (across all sizes)
• Sizes: S, M, L (tested), XL
• Weight: 32.1 lb / 14.5kg
• Price: $6,599 USD as tested
scor-mtb.com
The 4060’s sleek frame has plenty of room for a water bottle, along with mounts under the top tube to hold a tube or tool. There’s also a bonus storage compartment on the downube that’s is accessed by turning a dial and removing a plastic panel. A spare derailleur hanger is already stashed in there, and that compartment has just enough space for a tool and some tire plugs. Other frame details include fully guided internal cable routing, generous chainslap protection, and customizable frame protection that’s made specifically for the 4060.

Conditions during our test session ranged from wet to wetter, which is how the 4060’s biggest downside emerged – the area around the shock is a mud magnet, and even though the bike comes with moto foam already installed it’s a very, very dificult area to clean. As the suspension compresses it opens up nooks and crannies for pine needles and mud to get into, and then as it extends that debris gets trapped between the lower link and the swingarm. Desert dwellers obviously won’t need to worry as much about this trait, but it’s worth a mention for riders in wetter climates.

Scor 4060 ST review

The 4060 ST has a 65.5-degree head angle with a 150mm fork and the headset in the steeper position. That’s combined with a steep, 78-degree seat tube angle, and a reach of 485mm for a size large. No matter the frame size, the chainstays measure a relatively short 433mm. Creating a fun, playful bike was high on the lists of goals for the 4060’s designers, as opposed to making something ultra-stable, but potentially less maneuverable.

The 4060 ST GX retails for $6,599 USD, and comes very well spec’d with a RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate shock, SRAM Code RSC brakes, a GX Eagle 12-speed drivetrain, a BikeYoke Divine dropper post, and DT Swiss XM1700 wheels.

A Pike Ultimate is supposed to be the stock fork, but there weren’t any complaints when our test bike showed up with a Lyrik Ultimate. Weighing in at 32.1 pounds (14.6 kg), the 4060 ST was the second lightest bike in the test fleet for the trail category, pipped only by the Propain Hugene.




Scor 4060 ST review
Scor 4060 ST review

Climbing

There are some bikes where climbing feels like a means to an end, a task that’s done solely to be able to enjoy the descent. And then there are others where climbing is actually enjoyable (at least some of the time), bikes that make picking apart tangled messes of roots and rocks perversely pleasurable. The Scor 4060 falls into the latter category, thanks to a suspension design that blends support and traction extremely well, and an upright climbing position that delivers plenty of comfort for big days in the saddle. The bike's long(ish) front center is tempered by the steep seat tube angle, which helps keeps the bike from feeling too sprawling during seated climbs in tighter terrain.

The Scor’s suspension doesn’t feel as firm under power as the Propain Hugene, but it’s not that far off, and I’d give it the point in that matchup when it comes to grip – the rear end is able to move more freely under hard pedaling, which helps it better match the contours of the ground.

I’m always a little skeptical when a company claims a bike was designed to be ‘fun’, mainly because I feel like that’s an unwritten goal for all mountain bikes. Still, there’s no denying that the 4060 does hit the fun / playful mark, thanks in part to those short chainstays. They make wheelies and manuals a breeze, and it was easy to get the 4060’s front end up whenever the urge struck.

Scor 4060 ST review

Scor 4060 ST review
Scor 4060 ST review

Descending

As is typically the case, the 4060 is even more fun on the descents than the climbs, especially for riders that are constantly on the hunt for those bonus little side hit and jibs. On rougher sections of trail it has an almost floaty feel, smoothing out the chunky bits without even a hint of harshness.

The 4060 ST makes the most of its 140mm of travel, with a super smooth ramp up that makes it possible to use all of the travel while avoiding any harsh bottom outs. I wrote the words “snappy traction” in my ride notes for the Scor, referring to the way the bike manages to feel very energetic while doing a good job of finding grip in slippery situations.

I somehow found myself with a little extra time one evening during Field Test, so I decided to do some tinkering and rotate the ST’s headset cups to make it even slacker. Pemberton’s trails tend to be on the steeper side of the spectrum, so it seemed like a worthy little experiment.
Timed Testing


Our timed lap for the trail bikes was about three minutes long and was a mix of choppy, rooty sections and some fast flow. It started with an optional rock roll, a little drop, some fast corners, and a small double. As it serpentined its way down the hill, it included some steeps, a few root hops, and a few slight uphills. While none of the track was overly technical, the bikes that excelled on the test lap had to be capable on both fast, rough sections and in quick corners.

Don't forget that timing is just one of many ways to judge a bike, and fast doesn't always mean it's the best for everyone.


Mike Kazimer: "I put down my fastest time on the Scor, which wasn't surprising in the slightest - this is a bike that feels fast, and the stopwatch reflected that."

Once the cups were rotated the head angle ended up around 64-degrees, a number that’s become fairly common on modern enduro bikes. Out on the trail, I only found upsides to the additional slackness. The bike still climbed just as well, and any changes in slow speed handling were fairly minimal. The change did improve the bike’s poise in the steeps, giving it a calmer, more locked in feeling that made it easier to stay off the brakes and push the speeds a little higher.

I'd love to see a version of this bike offered exactly as it was in our final configuration, with the headset in the slack position and a Lyrik up front. That setup gives it category-blurring abilities, and allows it to shine even brighter on the descents without losing much of its well-roundedness on mellower terrain.

How about those short chainstays? I typically prefer longer chainstays across the board, but for the most part I didn’t mind the stubby back end on the 4060. It fit well with the bike’s overall character, and it does make it easier to get the rear wheel through sequential tight corners. However, there were a few instances where the balance of the bike didn’t feel quite right. This was most noticeable on steep, straighter sections of trail with multiple stair-step like drop-offs in a row. In that scenario it was more difficult to keep my weight centered – the longer front center paired with the shorter back end took a little more work to manage.

Overall, the 4060 is an impressive debut from Scor. It epitomizes just how capable a modern trail bike can be, a fast and composed climber and descender that ticks nearly all the boxes – it’s really only the poor mud clearing capabilities that take it down a notch.


Scor 4060 ST review


Pros

+ Very engaging ride - it's fun and fast
+ Head angle adjustment adds to the versatility
+ Well thought-out build kit
Cons

- No good escape route for mud around the shock area
- Same short chainstay length for all sizes






The 2021 Fall Field Test is presented by Rapha and Bontrager. Thank you also to Maxxis, Schwalbe, and Garmin for control tires and equipment.






134 Comments

  • 240 0
 Well, that was a pleasant surprise. 10 minutes ago I didn't know this thing existed and now I kinda want one.
  • 69 0
 Seriously right. That escalated quickly. From clueless to lust in minutes.
  • 48 0
 From a selection perspective, it's an amazing time to be a mountain biker. So many brands cranking out really well designed and unique bikes.

Now if only the ever-broadening selection would equate to increased competition and lower prices. Smile
  • 21 0
 its a Banshee Legend carbon trailbike
  • 10 0
 A friend got one of the last framesets in Europe, although the LT in violet sparkle. Really cool and interesting frame with nice details and finish, can't wait to see it built up.
  • 5 0
 I've talked to basically every dealer in western Canada in the last few weeks. Sounds like the odd bike here and there until 2023.
  • 8 9
 You knew it existed, its called a Santa Cruz
  • 8 0
 @67ha4life: you mean Ibis. VPP (Santa Cruz) is counter rotating links. DW is co-rotating.
  • 2 0
 @dmclemens: You mean Giant.. also co-rotating.. Big Grin
  • 87 1
 It’s the hightower’s better looking younger brother
  • 20 3
 Except even worse for dirt to build up in the shock and rear triangle link. I think the only way to check sag on this is to sit on bike, remove shock and measure. I love my Hightower, but setting up the rear sag is THE WORST....
  • 14 1
 Seems like SCOR, Specialized, Santa Cruz, and Norco are the brands sporting a shock that goes through the seat tube for better center of gravity (can anyone really tell the difference though?), seems like cleaning that type of design is a hassle across the board.
  • 8 1
 its a stunner. That last photo looks like its a charcoal or pastel art piece, with the creases on the sides of the top tube and down tube casting a perfect shadow. I also love the thin top tube. Brilliant.
  • 10 0
 @LMRSahara: I happen to own one of the said bikes with a horizontal shock that goes through the seat tube. I've not found it to be a pain to clean at all. Good ol' garden hose does a perfect job of cleaning out dirt and such. I supposed its a tiny bit less convenient to actually wipe the shock stanchion - but I can't say that I've thought about it since owning the bike.

You can put me down in the category of "its totally worth it". Personally, I love the way my actual bike is tuned and performs (2021 Spec Enduro), and I really like the look of these bikes that carry their shocks lower in the frame.
  • 3 1
 @REZEN: re: hightower: can confirm.
  • 7 5
 @LMRSahara: moving 2lbs of weight on a 200lb rider + bike system isn't going matter.

Designers need the links and pivots in exact places to make the suspension work the way they want. Link/pivot placement somewhat determines shock size and placement. Shocks work best when the bushings rotate as little as possible. Often the best place for a shock is right in the middle of the frame.

But we want water bottles. So shocks need to get out of the way. Hence shock tunnels. Or brands like Pivot and Banshee going to vertical shocks + trunnion.
  • 1 0
 @LMRSahara: yeah I had the pre and post seat tube design and it's noticeable cornering, just something about it makes you push the pedals harder into stuff.
  • 6 0
 @REZEN: the dirt and water chews through the lower link bearings too
  • 16 1
 @greenblur: Yes and no.

Having a shock lower in the frame doesn't meaningfully change the total center of gravity for the rider + bike, but it does for the bike alone. When riding, the bike moves a ton under you- having a lower CoG is actually quite noticeable when riding.

When tipping the bike over, dropping the bars left and right, and in stability it matters. You want the bike to "pivot" closer to the ground when it moves under you. This can most easily be felt when riding through consecutive, alternating turns, or riding an ebike through loose gravel. Ebikes have lower CoG, even though there is a lot more wieght because the weight is lower (on a good ebike). In loose terrain, when a wheel gets deflected off course by a loose rock, if the weight is low the tire will deflect laterally less, since the bike wants to pivot lower to the ground. Go try it- its part of the reason why ebikes are so stable on the fast and loose.
  • 6 8
 @hamncheez: adding a motor is around 15-20lbs or approx 10% of a 200lb system weight. You might notice 10% moving around but you won't notice 1% (2lb analog shock).
  • 5 0
 @LMRSahara: Nukeproof did it in a simpler way with the Giga, no tunnel needed.
  • 14 1
 @greenblur: The point @hamncheez is making is that, when riding a mountain bike, the bike moves a lot separately from the rider. So you might not notice the difference in a bike+rider system, but when you're trying to maneuver the bike underneath you, the lower CoG for the bike itself will be more noticeable.
  • 12 1
 @DPGriffin: Well said.

@greenblur Go try and throw table on an ebike. Its harder, yes, but not as much as you think 'cause all that extra weight is down low. Try throwing a moto whip and its (comparatively) much harder on that same ebike.

Moving 2-3 pounds down 6 inches on a bike isn't going to be the difference between me and Greg Minnaar, but it is noticeable. Great bikes don't ride well because of any one thing, they ride well because they have a thousand small improvements and optimizations. Death by a thousand paper cuts, so to speak.
  • 1 3
 @LMRSahara: ..No, they can't.
  • 3 10
flag greenblur (Dec 17, 2021 at 17:37) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez: taped 2lbs of shit to my BB area and rode this afternoon.

No difference.

The giga didn't use a shock tunnel but it looks pregnant. And luxury items like bikes have to look good. No one wants to pay $6k for an uggo bike.
  • 3 1
 Just looked up a hightower for a side to side comparison, crazy how similar the bikes look.
  • 2 0
 @LMRSahara: Low COG can be achieved by keeping the shock placed vertically in front of the seat tube (away from debris). That’s how my Trance X is and with its 40mm BB drop it rails. That said, I’ll say that Santa Cruz VPP is superior feeling overall.
  • 3 0
 @greenblur: pic or didin't happen.

Chris Porter over at Mojo has done a few videos adding lead weights to bikes and done timed training. For everyone in his test group except two Pro World Cup racers they had faster DH times with the weights. A pro can handle a bike so well that the extra stability a super low CoG provides can't overcome the extra actual weight of the bike. The riders also reported less hand fatigue, easier to move the bike around, and easier cornering. I'll see if I can find the video. I think it was with bike radar.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez:

I notice the same thing when I strap a bikepacking setup on my bike.
  • 3 1
 @greenblur: you didn't remove 2lbs of weight from higher up though.
  • 35 0
 This is the one I've been waiting for! Been super interested in this bike from the moment it was released. Really awesome to hear that its not a dud! I wonder how it compares in the longer travel version.
  • 2 0
 Agreed!
  • 7 0
 But what I think we all really want to know is...how does it compare to the Spur?? lol

Actually, I'd like to know how the test bikes compared to the 20-21 flex stay Stumpjumper.
The Scor looks like a great bike and has piqued my interest!
  • 41 7
 When a Hightower looks in the mirror, this is how it sees itself
  • 29 0
 So its a bike that got the fastest Descent on the Test, was only a second off the fastest climber, is really playful and fun, and you can also swap out the shock and fork to make it an enduro bike?

Sign me the f*ck up!
  • 19 0
 Oooowee! That is a nice looking bike! *And* it is a fun ride?? Welcome to the top of my trail bike list.. seriously, I know looks are totally subjective, but having a bike that rides well and then looks like this does too just makes me want to ride that much more when I'm in the garage staring at it. If I have to shell out north of $6k for a bike, I want to like the way it looks too.. this thing, just.. yes.
  • 5 0
 Might wanna grab a glass of fresh water or something !
  • 15 0
 Look, my imagination is non-existing thanks to internet and TV and my word to picture transformation device has not arrived yet, so how about include the picture of the mud in the shock area?
  • 14 0
 This bike is so fast that Pauline Ferrand-Prevot win a megavalanche on it
  • 2 0
 True, thanks for reminding it Wink
  • 12 0
 Mud magnet? IDK if its for me then, its rained here in Utah before (mind you, not recently)
  • 13 2
 A Special Cruz !
  • 9 2
 That seat angle makes me skeptical... It's a steep one only virtually. Riders with long inseam will seat at the back of the rear wheel, no?
  • 12 0
 The actual seat angle is around 69.4-degrees. I'm 5'11" with a 33 inch inseam and found it to be plenty steep on this bike.
  • 6 0
 @mikekazimer: Thanks for the info. Please add that as a standard item to each review!! (I'm 2" taller than you but my inseam is 3" longer). Actual seat angle matters to me.
  • 9 0
 Good looking bike for sure
  • 5 0
 What a beautiful bike. I'm interested in the 4060 but I'm hesitant given the shorter chain stays, especially given that they aren't sized up with bigger frames. I'm 6'3 and currently on a XL 2019 Kona Process 153 CR 29. Its a great bike don't get me wrong but with the 425mm chain stays, my ass is pretty much over the rear hub when pedaling. Its not a great feeling. It descends incredibly well but I have to be extremely aware of where my body is. I have to remember to almost be further over the front end than what feels natural. I love the looks of the new Scor but not sure if the short chain stays are right for me. Do any other taller rides have this issue or consider chain stay length when looking at new bikes?
  • 3 0
 100%. I’m 6’2” and and long legs and chainstay is one of the very top things I’m looking for. Makes the most MASSIVE difference in how balanced and well the bike rides. I have a bike with 445mm and 460mm. Got them after coming off a bike with 430 and the change was extremely noticeable. How much better the bike rides in general and especially how well and much better it corners is mind blowing when you feel it.
Very strongly recommend looking for a bike at your height that’s got at at least 445+ chainstays. You’ll love it

It’s that feeling that everyone else shorter than us gets when they ride size mediums etc and it feels so good
  • 2 2
 I am 6'3" on an XL Evil Offering. Its got a 430mm CS. I don't really notice any issues. It is exactly what the situation describe in this review. 430mm CS and 512mm Reach.... Big front end and short out back.

I think the offering rips and is also super playful when I want it to be.
  • 3 2
 My 2c. I'm 6'2" on an OG Hightower, which admittedly is not the most modern geometry bike. 435mm CS and I really like them. I also downsize the rear tire to a 2.3" and its all over the place, especially when wet, in a very fun way! I can appreciate a longer CS and the added stability and balance that you get. It will certainly make you faster, just not what I'm looking for.
  • 1 0
 Scor has similar geo the Yeti SB130 LR, Im 6"1...CS- 433, Reach 480, HT 64.5 Rear travel 139 (Cascade comp link). Similarily to the Kona this bike rides best when you have your chin over the bars and have active body movement. I do think a longer cs and shorter reach may feel more balanced...it will be a while till I find out as Ive gone the route of one bike frame and just update components now I love my bike of 3 years and will probably keep it for the foreseeable future..
  • 1 0
 @Ibchilllin: can always do eccentric BB and rotate 90* and it’ll move your BB 6mm forward so your chainstay grows and reach shrinks
A way to try things out
  • 3 0
 One of the biggest selling points for me to buy a stumpy Evo was the longer chain stays in the two larger sizes. I ride an XL and it's the most balanced bike I've ever had. Previously on a 2021 transition sentinel for reference. I think bigger frame sizes need longer chain stays, but not many companies do that.
  • 1 0
 Nukeproof Mega 290 for you mate.
  • 7 0
 Absolutely stunning. I want this and the element now.
  • 4 0
 So if the stock version come with Lyrik, just change an air spring to the fork and change stroke in a shock and you have a long travel option of the bike.
  • 1 0
 And pop the headset cups out to change the HTA and flip a chip. But ya. Pretty spiffy!
  • 4 0
 Guys, what was that thing with the Canyon front wheel and that derailleur's cage on that rock,in the opening sequence of those vids ?
  • 22 0
 That's the result of someone finding a derailleur cage on the trail, and then asking Matt Beer if he could nose bonk it. Turns out, he could.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Ahah, awesome ! Afraid we might have a Shim' or SRAM fail on the way...
  • 6 0
 wow! so SCOR vs Hugene vs Stumpy for the all round crown?
  • 7 0
 My Santa Claus gets confused at this point !
  • 4 0
 "Cons: - Same short chainstay length for all sizes"

Well, time to pack the skates and head for hell, because it must be frozen over.
  • 6 1
 nice looking too. but i still would go for the ghost, sorry
  • 28 0
 Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder
  • 3 0
 @JonnyTheWeasel: i will make a tshirt of that one
  • 2 0
 @JonnyTheWeasel: O.B off of Holyoaks circa 1999 was the first person to wear that T-shirt. Legend!
  • 6 2
 Its a single rear fork, with Dual front shocks. If you want to get technical.
  • 2 0
 Here is a question of PB presenters. If you could swap around parts from all the bikes on the field test, what would your ideal combination be? And why would it be the Formula suspension and brakes on the Scor 4060 ST?
  • 4 0
 That's a good looking bike. Minty!
  • 7 2
 Looks like a Santa Cruz
  • 4 2
 Looks like a good looking SC where the seat angle is finally not slacker than the head angle.
At some point SC could do that, so I hope they’ll manage to make it again.
  • 1 0
 It seems a wide strip of old tub and some zap straps would block most of the mud flinging into the shock area. Lame that it wasn't solved at the factory, but seems a small tradeoff.
  • 4 1
 Anyone would be lucky to Scor with something that good looking...
  • 3 0
 Not vpp because the links dont counter rotate. More of a DW style.
  • 1 3
 And vpp stands for virtual pivot point, which it is.
  • 2 0
 @EnduroManiac: Yes it may be "virtual pivot point", but not in the sense that people are referring to VPP in this context I presume. Most people associate VPP as the counter rotating link system Santa Cruz and other use. Ibis doesn't call there short link pivot design a VPP.
  • 1 1
 @SethStar: I know I know. And horst link is also a type of vpp.
  • 2 0
 @EnduroManiac: semantics...
  • 1 0
 Chain stays are short and imbalanced with the front end, so you lengthened the front end some more and that made the bike better? Can you clarify a bit, please?
  • 3 0
 new catch phrase "ENTrail" bike
  • 1 0
 Trailduro?
  • 2 1
 mid travel shred fun machine, hmm evil offering maybe. Jeez how big is the bike market for everyone to reproduce the same thing and still bring home a profit?
  • 2 1
 I would love to see the stress analysis for that area around the storage box, in light of the fact that that is a highly stressed area.
  • 2 1
 That is a good looking bike minus the mint green color. Not fond of the new trend of pastel colors. Some bold metallic red, blue, black, and gray colors would be great.
  • 2 0
 "Fast & Filthy"... but was it raw?
  • 13 0
 No, the Raaw review goes up next week...
  • 2 1
 Sounds like my kind of woman!
  • 2 1
 Sounds like a Swiss Evil, but with better climbing characteristics. Love to try one.
  • 1 1
 Some of you might not know that Oscar Wilde rode a Santa Cruz:

“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”
  • 1 0
 Love the color, very impressed by the review. This bike is on my radar. Thanks PB
  • 2 0
 I can almost foresee an after market mud flap to prevent debris intrusion.
  • 1 1
 Looks interesting But will wait and see what Paul Ashton mtb has to say Liking the no bs straight out the box real customer review, no special Tweeks for pro review bros
  • 1 1
 Just took a look at their website, and it also looks like they make the best looking e-bike I've ever seen. And with 435mm chainstays. The future is here.
  • 3 0
 Looks mint!
  • 1 0
 a rear fender system really would show that this bike was thought through, until then good luck
  • 2 0
 call it a loam shelf and tell me it's a feature. ya dumdums
  • 2 0
 Can I have "Mud-caked Lock-out" for $600 Alex?
  • 2 0
 I'm frothing to get my mitts on one of these!
  • 2 2
 Awesome bike!
Also, it's been said before but I'll say it again: RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate: how can something so expensive sound so incredibly cheap?
  • 2 0
 Love it, when one of two cons is a major pro for me, short chainstays ftw!
  • 2 0
 OMG. Same short chainstay length for all sizes. What a pity!
  • 7 5
 looks like a santa cruz
  • 2 0
 Super good looking bike.
  • 1 0
 I wish I could get this bike with 27.5" wheels.
  • 2 0
 The website says you can do a mullet with the Enduro version. Don't know about the ST but its the same frame so I doubt it matters.
  • 1 2
 you know what else has a "co-rotating linkage" ? windshield wipers, all rear derailleurs, its the most "basic" 4-bar configuration
  • 2 0
 That bike is a BEAUTY!
  • 3 3
 wait, a short chainstay bike was the fastest descender? think this will change the standard line on PB about bAlAnCEd geo?
  • 2 0
 29er 5010?
  • 1 0
 Damn that's a nice looking bike
  • 1 0
 I wanted one when I read the release. Now I need one!
  • 1 0
 nice looking bike but i feel it looks a whole lot like a SC bronson
  • 1 0
 MK - Think back to the V2 Sentinel, similar ride in bonus mode?
  • 1 0
 Beavis and Butthead: i want to make a scor.
  • 1 0
 Cool, another sub 5K bike.
  • 1 0
 Wondering what’s the noise level on descents?
  • 5 4
 Scor 1 for VPP
  • 3 0
 I guess this would have co-rotating links though.
  • 1 0
 Santa cruz renamed
  • 1 2
 Looks like a forbidden front triangle
  • 3 6
 hightower?
  • 2 1
 My thoughts exactly, almost identical just 1 degree SA and a bit longer reach other than the actual frame design (similar looking) and components obviously.
  • 3 0
 @map-guy: swing arm goes to the down tube instead of the top tube like SC
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