PINKBIKE FIELD TEST
Actofive P-Train
Words by Mike Levy, photography by Tom Richards
If you're in the market for something a lot less common and much more interesting for your next trail bike, you might want to consider a small brand from Germany called Actofive. By "small," I really mean just one guy named Simon Metzner, and by "trail bike," I really mean a wild-looking high-pivot machine with an idler pulley and 135mm of rear-wheel travel. The P-Train will be a rare sight - Metzner plans on only making twenty frames this fall - and it sells for 3,440 EUR (around $4,000 USD before taxes) without a shock, or 4,000 EUR ($4,666 USD) with a fancy EXT Storia.
Being a tiny, boutique manufacturer, Actofive only offers frames, not complete bikes. Most riders considering a P-Train probably have a pile of fancy parts they already prefer anyway, and I built mine up with a handful of products on hand to be reviewed.
P-Train Details• Travel: 135mm rear / 160mm front
• Reynolds 853 steel front triangle
• CNC aluminum swingarm
• Wheel size: 29"
• Head angle: 64.5-degrees
• Seat tube angle: 76.5-degrees
• Reach: 475mm (med)
• Chainstay length: 425mm
• Sizes: Sm, med (tested), lrg
• Weight: 34.2 lb / 15.5 kg (as pictured)
• Price: 3,440 EUR (w/o shock)
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www.actofive.com That includes the new Hayes brakes, e*thirteen's
Helix R 12-speed cassette, and Crankbrothers' Synthesis XCT 29 wheels. All that and the rest adds up to 34lb 3oz as you see it, making it the heaviest trail bike by a wide margin. Then again, if you're okay with a 4,000-gram frame (without shock), you're likely just fine with a 34lb trail bike.
But when it looks this beautiful, maybe who gives a shit that it weighs roughly
twice as much as a high-end carbon frame that probably costs less? The front triangle is made from Reynolds 853 steel tubing, the very kind that causes hipster mustaches to curl at the end as they prefer. But it also gives the bike a classic, simple look... Until your eyes make their way to the idler puller and machined aluminum swingarm. And did you spot the swingarm's internal webbing? How about the bolt-on brake mount or nearly hidden linkage? Sometimes, when I can't sleep, I just go out to the garage and look at it until I realize that it's noon the next day.
Frame features? It has some of those, but Simon isn't trying to compete with the big boys when it comes to the trail bike checklist. You'll find a threaded bottom bracket and ISCG tabs, along with external routing except for where the dropper post line disappears into the bottom of the seat tube. Speaking of routing, cables and hoses are held in check along the downtube with aluminum clamps and steel bolts that don't match the rest of the frame's attention to detail, but there were zero issues when it comes to function. There's also a pad bolted onto the top of the rear triangle to keep the noise to a minimum; it feels rockhard and like it wouldn't do much, but the bike is impressively silent regardless.
The P-Train's high-single-pivot layout is popular with riders looking for a fast feeling bike that can maybe handle more than its travel would suggest, largely due to the rearward axle path that lets a bike carry good speed over rough ground. But with such a high pivot, an idler pulley is required to keep drivetrain forces from interfering with suspension action. Without it, the P-Train's suspension would firm up substantially whenever its rider pedaled hard, and it would have nasty amounts of chain growth. History shows that idler pulleys can add complication and drivetrain issues, but the P-Train's is sturdy and well throughout. One more thing: it uses a normal length chain.
The aluminum swingarm pulls on a linkage that's hidden inside the steel front triangle, driving my test bike's Cane Creek shock that's attached to a bolt-on mount that can be swapped out to alter the bike's geometry. Things being bolted on is a theme of the P-Train, but one thing I couldn't attach was a normal-sized water bottle - there isn't enough room inside the front triangle for anything besides the smallest of bottles.
On the geometry front, my medium-sized test bike gets a 475mm reach and stubby 450mm seat tube. Actofive says you can run either a 150mm or 160mm front end, with the latter giving it a 64.5-degree head angle and 76.5-degree seat angle. Swapping out the forward shock mount takes only a few minutes and raises the bottom bracket from 341mm to 344mm, as well as adding 0.25-degrees to the head and seat angles. One last number: The rear-end is a super short 425mm, but Actofive says that this grows by 9mm when the bike is at its sag point. That's the high-single-pivot at work.
ClimbingAll trail bikes need to be somewhat decent climbers, but you'd be forgiven for thinking that the P-Train is one of the less decent of the bunch. After all, there appears to be about nine hundred steel bolts threaded into its tubby steel and aluminum frame, and you've been sniffing way too much chain lube if you think an idler pulley isn't stealing some of your meager power. Big Blue is also on the relaxed side of the handling spectrum, not to mention its coil-sprung Cane Creek shock telling me to relax about those climbing KOMs that I accidentally keep caring too much about.
So yeah, my uphill expectations were quite low and, maybe because of that, the P-Train surprised me. Yes, there are far more efficient climbers and bikes far better in the tech, but the Actofive was never the uphill burden that I thought it would be.
The German bike will move along nicely if you stay seated and spin circles rather than stomp out fires, with it having enough pep to it that you never feel like you're being punished for something during every long climb. Reaching down to flip the shock's Climb Switch adds to this, but is it ever as sporty as the Live Valve-equipped Trance X or new Ibis Mojo? No, of course not; those are bikes for riders who may or may not keep track of their uphill times, probably the opposite of potential P-Trainers.
When left fully open, the coil-sprung shock is never going to make for a bike that leaps forward when you get on the gas, but it does make for a ground-hugging rear-end that'll help you up anything you have the gas to attempt. One note on the shock's Climb Switch; rather than just locking the shock out, it piles on both the low-speed compression
and rebound, the idea being to increase efficiency without sapping traction. It works, too. That, along with the relatively short rear-end, seems to make it a decent machine when the switchbacks are tight and the speeds are you tipping over. No, it can't match the more well-rounded Stumpy, but it's also not terrible.
Descending Actofive says that the P-Train has 135mm of rear-wheel-travel, but I'm not convinced. I'd have guessed it to be closer to 150mm, especially after riding the other trail bikes back-to-back down the same rough, slippery singletrack, and it makes the others feel over-sprung and under-controlled in comparison. The other four are all running air-sprung shocks, of course, whereas the 'train gets a coil-sprung Cane Creek Double Barrel that I've always felt to offer a heavier damped sort of ride. Its four dials are there to let you make it feel however you want, but I kept ending back at the same settings.
The deep-feeling rear-end, along with the 160mm-travel Fox 36 (also four-way adjustable), make for a "trail bike" that can literally be tossed into the worst stuff like no other. While the others fishtailed and bounced their way down chunky chutes, maybe having no real issues but also clearly being on the edge when I was pushing hard, it was the P-Train that had all the composure in the world. In my experience, one telltale sign of an overly capable bike is that it'll tend to make you feel like you're going slower than you are, or maybe like you seem to have a few extra split-seconds to consider your next line choice. And that's how it is on the P-Train.
With all the trail bikes on matching Maxxis tires set to matching pressures, it was the P-Train that easily offered the most traction when it mattered most. That's not surprising, but the difference between it and the others on-trail was easily noticeable; I consistently had far fewer unforced errors while riding the P-Train in the wet, and I had the most confidence while on it as a result.
All that traction means that the P-Train is an absolute monster in the corners, and especially when it's rough and fast. That's when bikes like the Mojo and Trance X start to get bucked around, and the Stumpy isn't far behind those as well. It's also when the P-Train feels like an actual train, almost refusing to be unsettled by braking bumps and rough ground that you might even try to avoid when on the others. On Big Blue, you might sense some distant, muted 'thuds' but you're already looking way down the trail anyway so who cares? Not the P-Train.
For a bike that deals with all the sharp, fast stuff so well, it also manages to not feel like a wallow-y, lifeless station wagon on flow trails. It's never going to have the pop and pump of the Mojo, but its ability to carry speed means that it's plenty of fun through berms and fast rollers. Obviously, things get less rosy as the terrain gets more horizontal, and the Actofive is never going to be a star if you spend your rides braking into and then accelerating out of endless flat corners for hours on end. But that doesn't sound like fun anyway.
While the big brands need to offer well-rounded bikes that can be used for do-it-all riding, all while competing when it comes to weight, spec, price, and capability on all sorts of levels, Actofive's mission is a bit simpler. The P-Train can't be compared to those bikes on paper because it's more of a 'heart' bike than a 'brain bike,' if you know what I mean? Ride it down a challenging descent and you certainly will.
Yeah, you can pedal it all day and up any mountain, although you won’t be doing it all that quickly and hopefully there’s a rowdy descent waiting for you at the top. This is a bike made for the trail rider who ends up doing their best enduro racer impression every chance they get.
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Megatowers abound in same.
But yeah, there are plenty of fancy used bikes for sale.
You make a good point! I love that this bike got reviewed.
But, I’d rather see an aluminum more budget model in the field. Like the Meta TR (I know it got reviewed already) or something I can’t think of. I also wish the SJ Evo was in the big bike field.
I want comparisons?! Dunno why. Not even in the market for a rig.
www.dunbarcycles.com/2020-transition-sentinel-carbon-complete-build.html
You re welcome.
It would be a fun shootout, but I can almost promise you the result would be "Both of these bikes are amazing, and buying one over the other comes down to how fast you want to climb, and what frame material you prefer."
I think a high pivot shootout is in order!
Levy, I've been keeping track and this is officially the 368th bike review where you claimed a bike felt like it had more travel than it actually does.
Never see anyone complaining about extra suspension pivots or all the moving and very exposed parts of a derailleur(shout out to the gearbox gang) that could maybe potentially sometimes fail.
What's soo problematic with a idler pulley?
Don’t get me wrong I super love you and I love the fact that you grow every week which is amaizing and I’m super stocked for you ! I’m genuinely happy the bike world has Mike Levy.
Okay,now admit it!
Ha ha , I was also surprised it was Kaz that reviewed the Druid,then even more surprised he rode a Large instead of an extra large ( considering it’s numbers in geo ) but yeah @kazimer also rode a Large Hightower instead of an extra so I don’t even know why am I bothering I’m
Just confused I can’t get a sense of orientation
Speaking of wheels. We've been using the wheel on bikes since they were invented. It's about time that we found something better to replace it with. I mean, something something something the man on the moon, surely we have the means to do better.
I have a feeling this bike is more capable than a lot of enduro bikes, especially for advanced riders.
1. It’s not the bike for this review... I know Mike said they like to throw an oddball in there, but so many other bikes would be better fits in this field... and are on buyers radars. Have a separate oddball bike field test.
2. Mike tried to do it a solid and put some light weight parts on it... it’s probably a 36lb bike for most people.
3. It’s kinda trying to have a “what’s old is new again” vibe... but there is really no reason to choose steel these days... it’s heavy, it rusts, and apparently it’s not cheaper.
Still appreciate the effort and the review by itself.
In the cases where it is, its recycled state is far less useful (complete lack of strength) than its parent material. There is a bunch of planes made using CFRP that are soon to be at the end of there life span and they will become landfill. Most of the surplus aircraft of ww2 were melted back down to aluminium ingots and re-used.
We are talking about mountain bike applications. There is a reason you will not find a LBS full of steel framed MTBs... and that is what this conversations was about.
If you prefer steel for some reason... a reason that outweighs all the reasons for aluminum or carbon (no pun intended), then suit yourself... if you can find one.
Congratulations on completing your Materials Science course... whats next Thermodynamics?
The feel is definitely there, but a steel frame must be well built and allow for some proper and well thought flex points. The best way to put it into words is that a steel frame makes the trail feedback a bit "silkier"
IMO
Pop is a pretty apt description. Compliant also. I'm coming from a board sports background so I prefer the pop of a new PU surfboard or wood skateboard. Stiff surfboards suck especially when there is any choppiness to the water. So why would I want the stiffest frame material for barreling down the the side of a rock/root covered hillside? Obviously I'm not the only one and the industry is moving towards compliant wheels, handlebars, seat stays, etc.
I've ridden a few steel FS bikes - Cotics (steel front, alu rear) just take the edge off a bit, while the Starling had a very soft, relaxed feel.
If I wanted to be more pretentious, I'd say a good steel frame can feel like wearing noise-cancelling headphones.
The other thing I needed to adjust to was that it felt slower on the ups and downs, but according to the times I was just as fast or faster. It may feel a little muted giving off the perception that you're going slower.
I had a 853 RMB Blizzard, as well as a Columbus tubed one, and not only was the 853 version lighter, it was also a far different (better) ride. Same size and geometry bike.
The question then is whether the improved aesthetic is worth the extra weight? In my case, I've never owned an F/S MTB that weighed less than 34lb so the weight of the Jeht won't feel like a penalty, but if you're going from a 28-30lb bike I guess the heft would be hard to accept.
If you want a better ride feel on the road, get a different seat, a round seatpost, and most importantly wider tires. For MTB, run wide tires, get cushcore, and run somewhere around 14% of your bodyweight in rear tire pressure. Wide tires are dope.
Dangerholm: Hold my beer...
As of right now there are less than 10 SJ Experts in S4 available in the US.
www.pinkbike.com/news/review-forbiddens-druid-high-pivot-trail-bike.html
How do they climb/descend compared to something like the Ripmo or Hightower?
Edit: Also in my original comment I see I wrote "Feel like more traction than they do" rather than "Feel like they have more travel than they do".
Great to see PB cover something so different. Now we just need @mikelevy to also review some steel full-sus bikes from Starling, Cotic, Stanton, Swarf etc.
I really like this idea and as someone who would get one to avoid swapping coils for bike park or jump lines I want more info from users.
/weeps in Chicagoan.
Excellent stereotyping.
Perhaps there are those that keep track of their uphill times solely for self-comparison. IE: ride whatever bike is fun for you (that might be downhill fun, flowy fun, jumpy fun, climby fun, whatever), focus on improving yourself (maybe it's faster climbs, but maybe its ripping more sideknobs off in sick turns, or maybe it's clearing a new-found double) with that fun bike, instead of just trying to "win" against others on whatever bike they find fun.
No commentary on the e*13 Helix cassette?
I’d be interested in knowing how much the feel of the bike might be due to the steel frame; it seemed like a lot of the positive observations about the bike’s downhill capabilities focused on the rear suspension and the rear end (which is aluminum.)
And how much roughly would this bike cost in USD, as it was outfitted in the review?
I can’t afford modern geometry or custom frame bikes, but dang I can appreciate bikes of that caliber and a solid review by Mike Levy.
Looking forward to the rest of the reviews and would be really interested in a round table discussion of how the Salsa Black thorn and the Actofive compare to the enduro bikes. These two seem like they’re trail in the back and enduro in the front.
I love going down, fast, techy stuff, it's what I live for, but those descents always require climbing up stuff that is often tight and technical. Though I prefer the down, I love me a good tech climb.
Will the P-Train get me up there as well as get me down?
Would an air shock make it more fun on the up?
In terms of wheel wheel path, is this the bike design to pair with a Trust Shout? Don't hate me, but the Shout is a great handling fork for big bikes, I just wonder if having a rearward wheel path on both ends would make things better or worse.
Over-sprung I can kind of see, but under-controlled? I don't recall, did all the other bikes come with base model shocks with only LSR? Wasn't there at least a DPX2 in the mix, though even that still lacks the high-speed adjustments of the CC shock?
Isn't the under-controlled bit more because those particular air-shocks can't be tuned as finely as this particular coil, and not because of the spring itself?
....and obviously compare them all to the Grim Donut.
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The idea behind the suspension seems like it could be a game changer, but I still spend way more time pedaling than I do descending so it still really matters.
And having a slower bike at the climb, means, more people are able to follow :-P
180 high pivot = 215 normal according to @nrpuk math. Sounds awesome.
Anyone else having a Trailforksmare???
Somewhere a Dangerholm cackles in scandinavian
youtu.be/mUkBzLjb6no?t=707
from 9:00 you can see the new Actofive CNC in action
Full review of the Acto5 full CNC bike
There's a reason Toyota still makes, and sells manual transmission trucks, manufacturers make steel framed bikes, and you can pick up an automatic Miata for 50% the price of manual transmission one.
By "make sense" I mean that the equivalent vehicle with an automatic is almost always more efficient and has better performance than the manual transmission (Look at any Porsche auto vs. Manual), so you have to have some pretty specific kinks to want the less popular option.
Personally, I've never had a manual transmission fail, love the fact I can bump start a vehicle in the middle of nowhere, and find it way more engaging to drive. For most people, they just want something. that looks good, so they go with the automatic.
I like and own steel bikes too, but there's not really a good reason to get one unless you're a real gear head.
I get an automatic is more efficient and more convenient.
But Is it more fun, NO.
I get what you trying to say.
I totally get steel hardtails.
Think steel SF have a place too. As they give more grip and a different smooth feel.
It would be boring if things we're all the same right?
I much prefer the way a steel frame feels on the road and am happy to live with an extra 500-1000kg. My customers always tell me they don't often ride their carbon bikes anymore and are winning local races on them.
I'm also happy to live with the current FS prototype frame probably hitting just on 4kg with shock when it's done. It's definitely over built and I reckon I can hit 3.5kg with shock once I refine it and still be rugged enough to last more than two seasons.
Building in steel is not going backwards. It's just different.
And how on earth is that a bad thing?
that being said, I love it.
Maybe that's a more useful measurement than CS?
PB : "sure"
Simon says " I will only ever make 20 per year and that is good"
PB "great"
Simon say " It is crazy expensive and steel and that isOK"
PB " love it"
Simon says " Give it a good review"
PB " for sure"
Whatever Simon says PB does I guess.
If he does well, then:
a.) he will be able to produce more frames
b.) other companies, maybe even more mainstream, will look into this kind of design.
It is good to promote succesfull designs, not matter how small the batch is.
Euro for a gram.