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Field Test: YT Izzo Core 2 - Ready to Climb

Apr 29, 2022
by Mike Kazimer  


PINKBIKE FIELD TEST

YT Izzo



Words by Mike Kazimer; photography by Tom Richards


The YT Izzo Core 2 was the only carbon framed bike at this year's Value Field Test, which is likely part of the reason it was the lightest full-suspension model on test. For comparison, its 30.4 pound weight is 2.5 pounds lighter than the Fezzari Cascade Peak, and 4.5 pounds lighter than the Canyon Spectral 125. Granted, the frame isn't completely carbon – the rear end is aluminum – but still, that figure on the scales is very reasonable, especially considering the $3,399 price tag.

The Izzo's frame has room for a water bottle inside the front triangle, and YT offer their own Thirstmaster line of bottles that use the FidLock mounting system. Thankfully it's still possible to mount up a standard bottle cage and use a regular water bottle, which is exactly what we did.
YT Izzo Core 2 Details

• Travel: 130mm f/r
• Carbon front triangle, aluminum swingarm
• Wheel size: 29"
• Head angle: 66 / 66.5°
• Seat tube angle: 77° / 77.5°
• Reach: 472mm
• Chainstay length: 432mm (437mm on XL and XXL)
• Sizes: S, M, L (tested), XL, XXL
• Weight: 30.4 lb / 13.8 kg
• Price: $3,399
yt-industries.com

There are also two bolts on the underside of the top tube for mounting a tube or tool holder. Cables are mounted internally through foam sleeves to keep things quiet, and there's a molded chainslap protector to further aid in the search for silence.

One frame detail that's not quite as well thought out is the amount of clearance between the shock air valve and the frame. It's a tight fit, which means that not all shock pumps will fit. YT does supply one with the bike that will fit, but if you already have a favorite shock pump keep in mind that it might not be compatible.

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The Izzo's geometry is modern, if a touch on the conservative side compared to bikes that have been released more recently. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since long and slack isn't always the ticket when it comes to making less-rowdy terrain entertaining. There are two geometry positions that can be accessed via a flip chip, but we rode the bike in the low position for the entire test period. That gives it a 66-degree head angle, 77-degree seat angle, and a reach of 472mm for a size large. The chainstays measure 432mm on sizes small through large, and 437mm on the XL and XXL sizes.

Component highlights include a Fox 34 Performance fork, which uses a GRIP damper and has externally adjustable low-speed compression and rebound. SRAM's G2 R brakes handle stopping duties, with a 200mm front and 180mm rear rotor. SRAM's 12-speed NX drivetrain provides an 11-50-tooth spread, although it doesn't use the XD drive that SRAM's higher end options use. To finish it off, DT Swiss M 1900 wheels are mounted with Maxxis Forekaster tires in a 2.35” width.




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Climbing

The Arizona desert is chock full of technical climbs, ones where a botched attempt usually results in an uncomfortably close encounter with a prickly cactus or sharp rock. I found that out the hard way on one particularly steep and spicy climb aboard the Izzo. I botched my attempt, foiled by a tall, tombstone-shaped rock in exactly the wrong place. I unclipped and went put my right foot down, except there was nothing to put it on – the edge of the trail fell away almost seven feet to a dry creek bed below. Before I knew it, I was sliding down the steep embankment, clawing at the rocks, dirt, and desert vegetation to stop my fall. I ended up with a nice bruise on my shoulder and a bunch of cuts and scrapes, but luckily nothing worse. The bike ended up with some cuts and scrapes too (sorry YT), but I was able to straighten out a bent brake lever and finish the ride looking a little worse for wear.

Despite that unplanned tumble, out of all the bikes on test, hardtails included, the Izzo was hands down my favorite climber. That's the reason I was on it when I crashed – I'd chosen it especially for that trail, since I knew there would be some extra-challenging sections, and I wanted to stack the deck in my favor.

The 130mm of rear travel is very well managed, with a great blend of traction and support delivered by the Fox Float DPS shock. You can run the shock fully open for max traction, put it in the middle position for a little more support, or into the firmest position for an almost fully locked-out feel. No matter the position, the Izzo is a fairly calm climber. It’s not insanely snappy, but that also means it’s not harsh, and the shock can absorb all the square edges the rear wheel encounters.

The 77-degree seat tube angle is good for a wide range of terrain - there wasn’t too much pressure on my hands while riding on flat sections of trail, and it was easy to maintain traction on the steeper sections. This also happens to be the lightest full-suspension bike in this test; it’s almost 5 pounds lighter than some of the others. That’s noticeable when going back-to-back, and it makes it a bike that encourages standing up and sprinting.



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Descending

The Izzo isn’t a watered down enduro bike, and that’s part of what makes it so fun. It’s super easy to toss around, to get airborne and aim for a little sniper landing. The suspension is very progressive, a trait that works well on a shorter travel bike like this. I never had any harsh bottom outs, or felt like the bike was blowing through its travel too quickly.

At higher speeds it doesn’t feel as surefooted as the Canyon Spectral 125, but in the terrain it’s designed for it feels just right. The Izzo is what I'd consider a purebred trail bike, a bike where the ideal ride includes multiple climbs and descents, rather than grinding up a fireroad and bombing down a steep track back to the bottom.
Timed Testing

Our timed lap consisted of steep, technical climbs full of ledges and hard efforts, and a rough descent littered with rocks that lead into a fast, loose section of trail. Don't forget that timing is just one of many ways to judge a bike, and fast doesn't always mean it's the best for everyone.

The Izzo was the fastest climber, beating out the Specialized Stumpjumper Alloy by 4 seconds. On the downhill portions the tables turned a little, and it ended up in fifth place, 4 seconds slower than the Stumpjumper and the Fezzari Cascade Peak, which tied for 1st.

Compared to the aforementioned Spectral 125, the Izzo's head angle is 2-degrees steeper at 66-degrees vs. 64, and the reach is 14mm shorter, at 472mm versus 486mm. That gives it a more nimble feel, and it's an easier bike to maneuver through slower speed sections.

As far as components go, YT have put together a killer spec for the price. I have zero complaints about the Performance-level Fox 34, and the DPS shock performed flawlessly. The SRAM G2 brakes aren't the most powerful, but they're certainly a step up from the Level brakes that often get spec'd on bikes at this pricepoint.

I'm not the biggest fan of the SRAM NX drivetrain, but I didn't have any issues with this particular group. Even the shifter action seemed better than normal, possibly thanks to the use of the Matchmaker clamp instead of the clunky plastic mount. The Maxxis Forekaster tires are an appropriate choice for this bike, although we did get two flats – desert dwellers or anyone in rockier terrain will likely want to get something with a thicker casing to avoid punctures.




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Pros

+ Excellent climbing performance
+ Light and lively; well suited for rolling terrain
+ Very good parts spec for the price
Cons

- Tight clearance around shock air valve limits pump choices






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188 Comments
  • 83 14
 I’d love to buy this bike but unfortunately YT as a brand is the equivalent of backwards hat dude in over-lifted Dodge Ram listening to puddle of mudd so loud his speakers clip.
  • 38 1
 I don't get half those references but this is still a great comment.
  • 25 1
 You're so wrong. It's his AMP that clips.
  • 12 1
 Weirdly this is also true here only swap the ram for a focus RS and puddle of Mudd for DJ hazard
  • 7 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: Thank you. I've always known it as 'clipping', but learned today that the term is 'overdriven' when it is the speaker/driver going to the limit of excursion.
  • 8 0
 First comment from this account - DCA is that you?
  • 5 0
 That’s me and my Izzo exactly. Except I never wear a baseball cap, have never knowingly heard puddle of mudd, drive an old old wooden Volvo from the Civil War era, and my speakers don’t clip.

Know what you mean though.
  • 11 1
 @chakaping: Trust me, in the USA everyone nows of this guy.
  • 4 0
 @deadlyhifi:

As a YT owner who drives a Volkswagen Jetta, doesnt know who puddle of mud is, and doesnt turn my podcasts loud enough to clip speakers; Id have to agree with you.
  • 1 0
 That's why I put my GF's Liv on the back of the rack to block the view of the Jeffsy. Hard to hide the 8 foot confederate flag and the POM blasting the speakers tho...
  • 2 0
 I just listened to Puddle Of Mudd on Youtube for the first time. And the last time.
  • 3 0
 At least Kyle has an extra $2000 in his pocket by buying consumer direct… it’s worth the stereotype.
  • 70 1
 Still wish I knew what Core means.
If I dont know, I'm not Core, right?
  • 19 2
 Core is mid-range.

Looks like YT uses Base - Core - Uncaged for $ - $$$ - $$$$$$ these days.
  • 43 0
 @suspended-flesh: Marketing geniuses hate this one simple trick to confuse their potential customers...
  • 12 0
 Hard, soft, valve, apple, earth, Irish pop star family . It’s all quite inclusive really…
  • 6 0
 " core" is the new over used adjective in biking right now, like music in 2005.
  • 26 0
 Core is the opposite of Outside
  • 1 1
 I think it means "playful"?!
  • 6 0
 If I got it right all the "Core" Bikes will be available in larger numbers and over a longer time. The "Uncaged" models are very limited in quantity and feature certain interesting specs like flight attendend or Öhlins supsension etc.
  • 3 0
 so basically there is the Core range and the Uncaged world. Core means different models with cool spec which should be available through the product live span (if supply chain is back on track). The Uncaged world could be everything else, limited qty - that´s how I got it.
  • 1 0
 It's certainly not Corrr!
  • 66 4
 Considering the aesthetics and spec of this bike at this price point. I can't think of anything snarky to say. Killer bike YT
  • 32 2
 Other than not being super stoked on the brand itself, hard not to call this the best bike of the bunch for multiple reasons.
  • 43 0
 You're supposed to complain about the warranty.
  • 2 1
 @Lokirides: I would buy I can't even buy one so....
  • 7 1
 @BiNARYBiKE:

Its fine mate. These you buy, they ride well. Just make sure you sell before the first bearing change.
  • 51 5
 Question for the review crew: On a scale from 1-10, how much do you guys/girls cringe when you see the photos of yourself wearing that Norrøna gear?
  • 10 3
 I like Norrøna! They do great mountain gears !
  • 4 2
 I came here for exactly that question! Big Grin
  • 46 5
 @Altair74: Well of course you do. You're french, you're SUPPOSED to like weird sh*t.
  • 3 3
 Not sure in what Era those colors were considerd cool or plain nice. Sorry but to me they just seem outdated
  • 30 2
 I own an Izzo, and I think "a purebred trail bike, a bike where the ideal ride includes multiple climbs and descents" is on the nose.
  • 137 3
 So it's a mountain bike?
  • 24 43
flag Hyakian (Apr 29, 2022 at 9:31) (Below Threshold)
 @salespunk: Sssssshhhhhhhhh.
That doesn't align with the late-stage capitalism narrative.
  • 50 1
 @salespunk: What’s a mountain bike? I’ve heard of bikes for gravel, XC, downcountry, light trail, trail, light enduro, enduro, super enduro, free ride and downhill. These “mountain bikes” must be some new thing dreamt up by marketers.
  • 40 0
 @bocomtb: i think it's a downgravel with longer travel.
  • 13 3
 @Hyakian: marketing* Thanks to capitalism you have bikes to ride.
  • 10 0
 @salespunk: Sure. But a bike that's most at home on 2-hour fireroad climbs followed by big long descents is a mountain bike, too. So Kazimer's take seems more illuminating.
  • 8 0
 @salespunk: Only if ridden on mountains. It may also be a good Hill Bike or Undulating Grasslands Bike depending on what is available.
  • 3 0
 @Andrewcycleaddictstaton: hahaha long travel down gravel bike! Love it.
  • 7 0
 @salespunk: The term "mountain bike" only makes sense to us that are over 50.......hahaha
  • 27 1
 “Arrives in 2024”
  • 5 2
 seriously
  • 2 0
 Put my name down for an Izzo list last summer, the bike showed up early October. Wasn't too bad a wait for a great bike at a decent price point.
  • 2 1
 Looks like they have a handful of bikes available: us.yt-industries.com/products/in-stock-bikes
  • 5 0
 Basically nothing available whatsoever on their website other than size XXL What a trip
  • 2 1
 @Moonie2123: I did the same! Worth the wait though.
  • 1 0
 Many Izzo models and sizes available right now. I just ordered L size Core 2.
  • 19 0
 Spec's, timed laps and climbing characteristics are great, but how many riders were humming "H to tha Izzo, V to the Izzay" by Jay- Z during laps. These are the important questions
  • 12 0
 That song was definitely in my head for a good portion of the testing. I didn't mind at all.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: hopefully the MTV Unplugged version with The Roots
  • 17 3
 Funny how Alicia had doubts as chair, killed it! Want to see more Alicia hosting and some Mike on Mike squabbles. Love the look of these, think it would be a great bike, only fear is I'd want a little more travel to bail me out of my poor riding skills.
  • 6 1
 I ended up swapping the Fox34 for a 150 Pike. The minor geometry diff wasn't noticeable to me, and the extra travel up front better suites my need to recklessly plow full gas into rock gardens. And you can up the F34 to 140mm with an quick air shaft upgrade.
  • 2 0
 @Moonie2123: I am tempted. YT doesn't seem to offer it at the moment, but I think the Blaze had a bigger 140 fork. Didn't know about the air shaft upgrade, very handy to know, thanks.
  • 4 0
 @PawnSacrifice: Ya the 140 air shaft is only like 60 bucks, pretty easy install.
  • 2 0
 @Moonie2123: Sounds like a nice setup compatible with the "low" setting.
  • 2 1
 @PawnSacrifice: @PawnSacrifice: They seem to be fine with slight tweaks to the fork and shock, the Blaze definitely had a 140mm fork with the same 155mm stroke shock giving it 130mm rear travel as well. Interestingly, the Uncaged 7 is understroked with a 150mm stroke shock giving it a claimed 120mm rear travel paired with the 120mm SiD Ultimate up front.
  • 2 0
 I pulled in last fall…put better tires, bigger fork 140/36 & shorter stem. Super fun short travel ripper.
  • 14 0
 Glad you guys are getting to take a ride in my shoes and realize the bike geometry appropriate for flow trails on hero dirt isn't necessarily the best for the tight/technical/traction-challenged trails of the Desert Southwest.
  • 18 0
 Was hoping Kaz might offer some comparisons to his personal Spur
  • 4 0
 That's a really good question.
  • 5 0
 Missed opportunity not to have had cowboy spurs on the whole beta test. Also Levy's shorts we're too long.
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: Oof, as an Izzo owner, not sure I want to know the answer. But a head-to-head comparison with the holy grail Spur would be interesting... :/
  • 3 0
 have both(L) I’m no Kaz but I’d say Yt more compact and feels more agile and more compliant w moar travel. Both R killer
  • 7 1
 Rather just get the Jeffsy for 3k. But I think the Izzo is rad still. Short travel, but still built for all around downcountry/trail riding. Probably more trail obviously.

Just wanted to say RiP to the budget 2700 Capra build.
  • 6 0
 Not sure why more direct to consumer bike companies don't sell just the frame. Seems like less for them to do shipping just the frame only.
  • 9 1
 If you put an L on the name this would be one heavy bike
  • 4 0
 Or thiccc as one would say.
  • 6 0
 How do you decide who gets to wear the riding outfit first for the day and do you also share the chamois??
  • 54 0
 Paper, rock, scissors. And yes, but we turn it inside out so it's not weird.
  • 3 0
 Can the rear shock be installed "right side up", 180 degrees from the position shown? Doing so would eliminate the cramped access to the air valve plus offer far better ergonomics when toggling the climb switch on the fly. If not, that seems like quite the design oversight.
  • 6 0
 No, I don't think there'd be enough room between the seat tube and the shock for the wider portion of the air can.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Thanks, looking at the photos I suspected that was the case. Too bad, the Izzo appears to be an otherwise decent bike in the trail/~130mm category.
  • 1 0
 @dlford: Great question.
  • 4 0
 Mike says he rode it in the low setting which would mean 66 HTA right? Not 66.5 as stated.
Or does YT use Evil naming convention; low and extra low?
  • 3 0
 Yes, the bike was tested in the low geometry setting, which gives it a 66-degree HTA.
  • 7 0
 @mikekazimer: thanks for fixing that typo in the article. I have a proofreading compulsion. Sorry
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: not so long ago, my GT Sanction had 66 and I(and probably lots of others) used to ride enduro with it and we are, probably, all still alive. Not that my pref isn't a 65 HA for general trail riding(steep or not so steep) but, I just wanted to say that a 66 HA isn't that bad you cannot ride down the hill/mountain.
  • 10 3
 This or the Ripley AF?
  • 3 1
 Both? They’re not similar.
  • 3 0
 Damn I guess the Ripley went up in price again. It's at about $3800 for the Deore model now. I thought it was about $3500 the last time I looked at it.
  • 2 0
 @jonbrady85: I think it debuted at $3400. Ripley is notorious for the shock bottoming out.
  • 2 0
 @mtb1101: Not on my Ripley AF, and I'm a big guy. Riding the stuff shown in this video, you are not bottomiong out a propperly set up Ripley.
  • 2 0
 My bad. They are comparable. I misread it as Ripmo. I say you can’t go wrong with either so get the one you think looks cooler. If you can swing it, springing the few hundred more for Izzo Core 3 or AF SLX build is worth it to me.
  • 6 0
 A 60-mil stem?!?!?! Yer' gonna die!
  • 6 0
 Yep, it will spontaneously combust on any steeper than 30°.
  • 6 0
 Definitely the best looking of the budget bikes so far.
  • 4 2
 They listed tight clearance for shock valve core as a con which is true, but unless something has changed, YT supplies you with a nice and flexible shock pump that works perfectly with how it is set up. My old pump did not fit properly but the one they provided is nicer anyway so it's not a problem.

I got rid of my transition patrol and picked up an Izzo and I could not believe how much easier my trails were. I am not into huge jumps and drops so for me having less travel has so far not been an issue. I did however replace the 130mm fork with a 140mm fork. This slackens the head angle by just shy of 0.5 degrees as well. I have been enjoying it and have not even found it necessary to flip the geo chip to the slack setting.

The only other thing I changed was the tires. It came with forekasters which are light but weak and I nearly tore a tread lug off that caused a hole too big to seal.

There is one other thing that for me is redundant and it is the rock shox rear shock lockout twist grip thingamajig (not sure what it's actually called and can't be bothered to google it). I don't find it necessary to lock out the shock... Perhaps some others may disagree but I have not noticed any big difference in climbs whether it was on or off (however I am also not racing or worried about saving seconds). I'd rather save $100 on the bike than have a shock lockout...
  • 2 0
 only the first-year model had the lockout switch they got rid of it for this iteration, which I have.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer was the size L perfect? If you were an inch taller (I'm 6'1) maybe XL with 40 mm stem instead of L with 60 mm? Or would XL size ruin the nimble feel in turns and so? I hate to be in the middle of the sizes with some brands.
  • 1 0
 I have an Izzo and am about 5,11-6ft and personally I find the large a bit on the large side and I plan on putting a 35mm stem. The Large is perfect for somebody who is 6,1 but you might want a longer dropper.
  • 1 0
 Check out the YT Izzo Facebook group. Lot of threads with people giving their thoughts on their heights and bike size they purchased. I’m maybe 6’1.5” and bought the XL, mostly because it was available to order and the large was not. I have ~33.5” inseam. The XL is borderline too big. Wish I could try a large to compare but I made do with what I have. I had to remove the small dust spacer under the seat post clamp to slam the seat post. I also swapped to 170mm cranks and a 35mm stem. Without the cranks and removing the seat spacer, my hips were rocking and my knees were bothering me. Otherwise I like the size and the longer bike has some really great stability going downhill. If you have longer legs than me an XL might be perfect.
  • 1 0
 @drewberg11: Thanks for your comment. My inseam is also about 33.5 inches (85 cm). So it seems that both sizes are fine. But maybe L will be my size if I'll order an Izzo. New Top Fuel (al frame set) is the other option. But much heavier. Cf Top fuel and Transition Spur are way too expensive.
  • 4 0
 Thanks @alicialeggett for working hard to break the "Three deer in the headlight" setup. Great job!
  • 1 0
 I like the rear triangle as aluminum. I cracked my Intense Primer rear triangle. Had a 2017 Giant Reign with aluminum rear triangle. Especially if you can save money on the bike with aluminum triangle. I also prefer getting a lower end build with NX or SLX and upgrade cockpit/saddle to SQ Lab, install Vorsprung Secus and use high-end rear wheel with Oynx or Hydra and upgrade cassette to GX or XO. You can transfer all the upgrades to your new bike and install new parts to help sell bike or use as a backup bike with original spec.

Even better: maybe next bike might be all aluminum?
  • 1 0
 Has anyone tried mulleting an Izzo? I'm short and ride small-framed bikes. I have not found a single small bike that actually works with a 29" wheel in the back and many even cause butt contact with the rear tire when just sitting on the seat to lower it before a descent. I'm looking for a shorter travel bike, but if mulleting it is going to cause it to feel like crap on the climbs, it kind of negates the whole purpose for me. I've seen where people have used offset bushings to mullet other bikes, larger widths on the rear tires, etc. Any insights or advice on how to best do this with an Izzo?
  • 4 0
 Looks good - handsome machine.
  • 1 0
 Great review, looks like the head angle is 66.5 I’m the high position and low is 66. Not that half a degree rally changes anything
  • 1 0
 Looks like the article is fixed now. Low is 66 HTA.
  • 3 0
 Having ridden in Tucson a bunch, what trails were these tested on?
  • 3 0
 Most of our testing took place in the Tucson Mountain Park area. It was a great place to be able to get in a bunch of back-to-back laps on a mix of terrain.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Makes sense....but should have just shuttled Lemmon instead lol.
  • 7 0
 @wilsonians, I did sneak in a really fun Lemmon shuttle, but logistically it's a lot easier to be able to ride from a house rather than loading up a truck and driving every day.
  • 9 5
 Cons- customer service
  • 7 0
 I had heard that, but I've found them to be very responsive. They even sent me an Xmas gift lol. No really... a card, some stickers and a headset cap. Never got that from Giant.
  • 8 0
 Nope. They've been great for the 2 bikes i've had with them. Blew up the fork, YT arranged everything with sram (a little miffed I paid for shipping, but that went away immediately when they upgraded me to the 2.1 damper from an R on the zeb). Accidently unplugged an internal cable on my decoy, the guy responded in an hour and gave me a list of things to try. The first one was the fix. They are responsive, accurate, and have been quick to help when they can.
  • 6 0
 No complaints about CS from my end either. They respond quickly when I asked about shock compatibilities.
  • 4 0
 Not on my case. I got the first version of the Izzo back in 2020 (rear triangle was carbon at the time), and last month I exchanged some emails about switching the fork to a Pike 140mm, asking their suggestions on offset and whatnot. Replies were all under an hour, super responsive customer service. Recommended
  • 1 0
 We've bought 3 YT bikes and loved them all. Customer service has been amazing with all them, as has customer service directly from the component comments when needed.
  • 2 0
 @editors.... "the reach is 12mm shorter, at 472mm versus 486mm"... math skills don't add up. Pun intended.
  • 1 0
 Great as-is, easy to bump the gnar factor up with a +10 stoke on the fork.

Seems like this bike should be the clear winner.
  • 2 0
 Alloy capra just showed up at same price. Interesting if you want moar travel class 5
  • 3 0
 Will this bike catch fire...
  • 2 0
 A rather favorable review of a YT bike.
  • 3 0
 That color! Dam!
  • 3 0
 Lol, yep. That dang "Ice Grey" was the main reason I went with the Core 2 over the 3. Vanity? Check
  • 2 1
 Sometimes I wish I would've got this instead of the Jeffsy....please, someone, console me
  • 3 1
 I ended up swapping my Izzo's Fox34 for a 150 Pike so... maybe I should have got the Jeffsy, that help at all? It's just tradeoffs, they are all very capable bikes.
  • 1 0
 same here, and i wish thered been an alloy available at the time i got my jeffsy…
  • 2 0
 just beef up the izzo a little bit
  • 13 0
 @bjb245 Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr.

I hope you feel consoled now. That's as much as I an do from here.
  • 5 6
 "The Izzo is what I'd consider a purebred trail bike, a bike where the ideal ride includes multiple climbs and descents,"

This used to just be known as XC riding... but I guess trail sounds cooler.

-W
  • 6 1
 Trail seems more accurate since cross country is a race format.
  • 1 0
 @jeremy3220: so the term "cross country" in reference to bikes didnt exist before the race format existed?
  • 4 0
 @jaycubzz: Correct. World Cup XC racing has been a thing since 1989. Idk, what terms were used in mountain biking before the late 80's but cross country is a race format that predates even the existence of mountain biking. Cross country running became an Olympic sport more than a hundred years ago. Cross country skiing also predates the existence of mountain bikes. So either way MTB got the term from racing.
  • 7 0
 @jeremy3220: Nice. Amazing there was a time when they were all called mountain bikes, and the riding was all just called mountain biking.

May those time return Beer


Except E-MTB's, they can continue to be called something other than mountain bikes.
  • 2 0
 WW bikes FTW!!!
  • 2 0
 @jeremy3220: Hmm. I am going to assume there were people who called it "cross country riding" before UCI officially called it XC racing, because of the fact the phrase "cross country" has (likely) existed for literal centuries, as you allude to.
  • 3 1
 @jaycubzz: I'm going to assume that one day someone like you will assume the same thing about "enduro riding".
  • 1 1
 @jeremy3220: Ok, prove me wrong. I will wait patiently.
  • 3 2
 ..but out of all those bikes, which one would be the best bike for a rider with a bmx background?
  • 2 0
 Specialized Status
  • 3 1
 All of them. That’s the main benefit of the bmx background, you can ride anything..
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer @mikelevy I sincerely need to know....Is it DOWN-COUNTRY?????
  • 2 0
 my norrona...by the knack
  • 1 3
 "The 2021 Value Bike Field Test was made possible thanks to Visit Tucson and Norrona clothing."
How many sachets of imported organic dog food for the big reveal as to who is making the 2022 field test possible? Unless. is Pinkbike six months behind Beta? And that is why Kaz still looks to be in good health.
  • 2 1
 I thought about an Izzo, but decided a 170mm Transition Spire would be a lot more fun.
  • 4 0
 hmmm 2 very different bikes.
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 Without @mikelevy energy these reviews have a hostage video vibe. Someone needs to liven this up!
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 Nice geometry!
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 I love thak Kaz keeps calling it a 60 ml stem, vs 60 mm. It's a length measurement, not volume, unless you are using it as a shot glass! Smile
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 You should call him Kazimer not Kaz then.
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 @FatTonyNJ: I didn’t hear anyone say “millilitres” once. I heard “mill”, which could be short for millilitres, but also could be short for milliseconds or milligrams. From context I was able to deduce that he was talking about length, where “mill” could either be millimeters or mil. Choosing between the two was hard, but since I’ve never seen a stem that’s only 60 thousandths of an inch long, I was able to conclude that by “mill” they meant millimeters.
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 @Mike-Jay: I heard "mil", wihich translates to mL in science speak, and therefore milliters. Hey, but them again, neither you or I are speaking the King's English. Smile
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 @FatTonyNJ: as an actual working scientist I would have to say when a scientist says “mill” they’re referring to 1/1000 of the metric measurement that corresponds to what they’re measuring. Since a stem length is obviously length, it’s mm. “Mill” has never uniquely described mL.
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 @olngjnsn: measured using a Kazimometer
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 @stayonyourbike: the Kazmillometer
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 @Mike-Jay: Whenever I hear or see someone say "mil", they usually if not always mean the actual length measurement that is 1/1000 of an inch. Dealing with PCB layouting and such forces one to leave the logical comfort of the metric system from time to time. But in situations like these with the stem, understanding come from context.
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 It's a Canadian thing. You want to abbreviate mm - use 'mil'. You want to abbreviate ml - use 'mil' - it's the same thing. We're easy-going and not particular. Canadians can figure out that you're not adding liquid to the stem, so we figure you probably mean length, not volume ... it's MTB review guys, not a science experiment, try to keep up!
  • 1 0
 I thought for sure I'd find @doublecrownaddict here
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 My Izzo Core 2 is for sale in the BuySell section
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 "There are also two mounting bolts on the underside of the top tube for mountain a tube or tool holder."

That's some pretty folksy language there.
  • 12 0
 I really need to stop writing articles on my Blackberry... That's fixed.
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 @mikekazimer: here I thought you were using speech to text and had picked up a southern drawl on your travels!
  • 1 0
 Found another one: Thirstmaster line of bottles that use the FidLock mountian system
  • 1 0
 Freudian slip?
  • 1 0
 Pass the jug o 'Shine.....
  • 3 0
 You tube holder in my fanny pack. I swat my cares away; I shall not want. Black Barry mountain system
  • 1 0
 So he had an “a” in mountin’. Spell check won’t catch them mis-steaks.
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 Ready to Climb Nothing gets me less stoked.
  • 1 2
 Total missed opportunity for Snoop Dog MTB review Dizz YT Izzo, iz da way to gizzo brizzo
  • 5 0
 Hey at least you tried.
  • 1 0
 THAT WITCH HOUSE THO
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 How is a 3,400 dollar bike a budget bike? I was thinking 2,800 and less
  • 29 0
 We set the cap at $3,500 for the full-suspension bikes, and $2,000 for the hardtails. I wouldn't really call this a 'budget' bike either, but it is a good value. Considering the price and performance it's a great option for anyone that doesn't want to spend thousands of dollars more on a bike.
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 @mikekazimer: Thats true. Wish it has a deore or slx drivetrain
  • 5 1
 Have you seen the parts spec. That's a killer price
  • 5 1
 @noakeabean: shimano gang represent
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 In 2022, $3,500.00 budget is great for a mountain bike. This dollar value is similar to entry-level (think Specialized "Comp" build kits) from way back in 2008.

Fairly sure I spent $3,200 for a Specialized Enduro Comp back then - and that was before 1x12 drive trains, dropper posts and carbon frames. I decided to "nerd out" and check the value of $3,200 in 2008 dollars vs. today based on past inflation rates - that is equivalent to $4,190 in 2022 dollars.

All things considered, this Izzo is much less expensive and all-around better spec'd than entry level bikes 14 years ago.
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 @KJP1230: Yes, but when you compare it to the Specialized Pitch of the same era ( which I'd class as more of an "entry level" bike) it doesn't stand up as well. Those things were killer value (£1100 for the comp and £1500 for the pro at the time IIRC) and very capable bikes for the money.
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 @commental: I don't think this Izzo is comparable to the Pitch. Namely because the Izzo is identical (aside from the aluminum rear triangle) to the frame you'll get from the very low end, all the way to the very high end spec. It also comes with big-name components like Fox suspension and Sram drivetrain.

Meanwhile, the Pitch, while admirable in terms of its capabilities for the money, was a complete downgrade in terms of both frame and component spec, from Specialized's main bikes like the Stumpjumper FSR and the Enduro. Also, the Pitch Pro in 2022 dollars would cost $3,600.00 (converted from british pounds to USD at 2008 exchange rates + inflation adjustment to 2022) - which kinda proves my point: $3,500.00 is a very reasonable "budget bike" price threshold.
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 @KJP1230: more people need to realize this
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 They're practically free. I'm always recommending them to the homeless in my area
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 @KJP1230: I just want to say what a bike the original Pitch was!

After years on worn out second hand hardtails, the Pitch Pro was the first "good" brand new bike I ever bought, back in 2008. I honestly think it (and I guess the Specialized Enduro it was the budget version of) were quite ahead of its time in terms of a mid-travel rugged do anything trail beast. Especially if you replaced the 140mm fork with a 160mm.

I still feel sad that I sold it in the end after 10 years of use, but what a bike.

Sorry, nostalgic rant over...
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 @KJP1230: Yes, when looking at inflation over that time period you're right in what you're saying. In my mind the Pitch felt better value for money, but that probably shows how badly my earnings have done against inflation in the intervening years more than anything else.
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 Cons: Norrona kit
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