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[UPDATED] Elite Finals Results & Overall Standings from the Lenzerheide DH World Cup 2023

Jun 10, 2023
by Ed Spratt  
The results are in from the historic opening World Cup round after a wild semi-finals just hours before.

The Elite Women kick off finals with another historic win for Rachel Atherton as she takes home her 40th World Cup win. The top result in Lenzerheide makes it Rachel's first win since Vallnord in 2019 and is one of the most impressive comebacks we have ever seen in mountain biking. Half a second back from Rachel Camille Balanche just missed out on a win at home as she ends the weekend with a 2nd place finish. After not riding in qualifying because of an injured knee Nina Hoffmann has shown her strength coming into the season as she takes 3rd.

Following the race, Rachel Atherton said: "“I just actually can’t believe it. It hasn’t really sunk in. You get so fired up and then it’s three minutes and it’s over.”

“Coming into this I didn’t know if I would qualify, yesterday was mind-blowing. I was like ‘woah’ and this new format is so hard, doing semi-finals, you’ve got to save some energy. It’s mental.”

It was another historic moment in the Elite Men's racing as Jordan Williams piloted his Specialized Demo to the top spot on the podium at his first Elite World Cup. Loris Vergier was the closest rider to the young talent ended his day 0.495 seconds back. Loic Bruni couldn't match the speed of his teammate and crossed the line third with Finn Iles also putting a third Specialized inside the top five.

In his post-race interview, Jordan Williams said: "This is just insane. Lenzerheide isn't one of my favorite tracks and I just rode as good as I could. I don't even know, just incredible.

"I think coming from juniors to elite, having fast riders in juniors to push me has helped me a lot. I didn't focus on trying to win or sending it super hard, just tried to put down the best run I could and see where I ended up."

Check out the results and race updates below.



Results:


Elite Women


1st. Rachel Atherton: 3:07.514
2nd. Camille Balanche: 3:08.048
3rd. Nina Hoffmann: 3:08.301
4th. Vali Höll: 3:09.270
5th. Marine Cabirou: 3:11.118

Elite Men


1st. Jordan Williams: 2:39.222
2nd. Loris Vergier: 2:39.717
3rd. Loic Bruni: 2:39.907
4th. Laurie Greenland: 2:40.058
5th. Finn Iles: 2:40.232




The Elite Women's Race as it Happened

4:00 am PDT: The Elite Women's Race is Now Underway
After this morning's semi-finals it's Mille Johnset who kicks off finals.

4:04 am PDT: Mille Johnset Goes 8 Seconds Back on Top Semi-Finals Run
Mille Johnset sets the first finals time with a 3:18.504

4:08 am PDT: Anna Newkirk Takes the Lead
Anna Newkirk has gone fastest so far as she improves upon Mille Johnset's time by half a second.

4:12 am PDT: Hattie Harden Takes the Top Spot
Hattie Harden continues to show she has talent no matter the bike as she goes fastest so far.

4:16 am PDT: Marine Cabirou Goes Fastest by 5 Seconds
Marine Cabirou has passed the 2nd place semi-finals time of Rachel Atherton to take the top spot with six more riders to come.

4:20 am PDT: Top 5 with 6 Riders Remaining
1st. Marine Cabirou: 3:11.118
2nd. Monika Hrastnik: 3:14.835
3rd. Hattie Harnden: 3:16.533
4th. Anna Newkirk: 3:17.926
5th. Mille Johnset: 3:18.504


4:24 am PDT: Vali Höll Sets the Best Time of the Week
Vali Höll attacks the Lenzerheide course to take the lead by just under two seconds. Vali's time is almost one second faster than Camille Balanche's winning semi-final run.

4:28 am PDT: Tahnee Seagrave Gets Loose on her Way to 3rd
Tahnee Seagrave has a wild ride down the track as she makes her return to World Cup racing with 3rd place ahead of the final four riders.

4:32 am PDT: 3rd for Gracey Hemstreet in her First Elite Finals Run
Gracey Hemstreet crosses the line 2.1 back and slots into 3rd place. Only Nina Hoffmann, Rachel Atherton and Camille Balanche are left at the top.

4:33 am PDT: Top 5 with 3 Riders Remaining
1st. Vali Höll: 3:09.270
2nd. Marine Cabirou: 3:11.118
3rd. Gracey Hemstreet: 3:11.461
4th. Tahnee Seagrave: 3:13.428
5th. Monika Hrastnik: 3:14.835


4:36 am PDT: Nina Hoffmann Goes Nearly 1 Second Up on Vali Höll
Despite her injured knee Nina Hoffmann has gone fastest by just short of a second against Vali Höll.

4:39 am PDT: Rachel Atherton Goes Fastest with 1 Rider Left
What a run from Rachel Atherton! Rachel puts down an incredible run to take the lead in Lenzerheide. Can Rachel make it 40 World Cup wins?

4:43 am PDT: Rachel Atherton Takes her 40th World Cup Win
As Camille Balanche goes across the line 0.534 seconds back Rachel has achieved her 40th World Cup win after not winning since Vallnord in 2019.





The Elite Men's Race as it Happened

5:03 am PDT: The Elite Men's Finals Kicks Off with Baptiste Pierron
Baptiste Pierron sets the first time in finals with a 2:45.201 sitting four seconds back from Loic Bruni's top semi-final run.

5:06 am PDT: Tuhoto-Ariki Pene Just Takes the Lead
Tuhoto-Ariki Pene pulls ahead by 0.093 seconds to go fastest. There are reports of rain falling at the top of the course which could shake things up.

5:16 am PDT: Antoine Vidal Now Takes the Lead
Antoine Vidal finds nearly half a second to go fastest after five riders.

5:21 am PDT: Taylor Vernon Goes Down
Taylor Vernon slides out in the dust as he nears the bottom of the course.

5:32 am PDT: After 10 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Antoine Vidal: 2:44.664
2nd. Tuhoto-Ariki Pene: 2:45.108
3rd. Baptiste Pierron: 2:45.201
4th. Oliver Zwar: 2:45.241
5th. Simon Chapelet: 2:45.500


5:34 am PDT: A Loose Run Puts Phil Atwill in 2nd
Phil Atwill does what he does best to keep it loose and take the 2nd place spot so far.

5:37 am PDT: Dakotah Norton Goes Fastest by 1.8 Seconds
Dakotah Norton takes the Intesne prototype to the top step of the hot seat as he finds 1.857 seconds on Antoine Vidal.

5:43 am PDT: Charlie Hatton Just Misses the Top Time
Charlie Hatton has just fallen short of Dakotah Norton's time as he goes 0.248 seconds back.

5:48 am PDT: Angel Suarez Slides Out
Angle Suarez could keep his bike upright as he pushed hard for a top time. Angel crosses the line back in 14th

5:51 am PDT: Luca Shaw Takes 3rd
Luca Shaw makes it two US riders inside the top three as he goes 0.304 seconds back and into third place after 17 riders.

5:54 am PDT: Troy Brosnan Smashes the Top Times
Troy Brosnan is back on great form as he flies into the lead by 0.713 seconds.

5:57 am PDT: Greg Minnaar Has a Flat Tire Again
Greg Minnaar has flatted again after getting a flat tire during his semi-final run.

6:02 am PDT: After 20 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Troy Brosnan: 2:42.094
2nd. Dakotah Norton: 2:42.807
3rd. Charlie Hatton: 2:43.055
4th. Luca Shaw: 2:43.111
5th. Danny Hart: 2:44.234


6:13 am PDT: Jordan Williams Beats Loic Bruni Winning Semi-Finals Time
Jordan Williams has smashed the semi-final winning time of Loic Bruni by over two seconds and currently leads finals by 2.872 seconds. What a run!

6:19 am PDT: Jackson Goldstone Takes 2nd
This year's fresh Elite riders Jordan Williams and Jackson Goldstone are schooling the rest of the field as they currently hold the top two positions with six riders remaining.

6:23 am PDT: Finn Iles Rides into 2nd Place
Finn Iles makes it two Canadians in the top three as he goes just one second back on Jordan Williams to sit in 2nd place.

6:24 am PDT: Top 5 with 5 Riders Remaining:
1st. Jordan Williams: 2:39.222
2nd. Finn Iles: 2:40.232
3rd. Jackson Goldstone: 2:41.428
4th. Troy Brosnan: 2:42.094
5th. Dakotah Norton: 2:42.807


6:30 am PDT: Laurie Greenland Comes Close But Can't Beat Williams
Laurie Greenland goes green at the first split but Jordan Williams remains unstoppable across the rest of the course as it is a British one-two.

6:33 am PDT: Loris Vergier Takes 2nd, Jordan Williams Still Leads
Jordan Williams is still leading with two riders remaining as Loris Vergier goes 0.495 back.

6:36 am PDT: Andreas Kolb has Crashed in the First Split
It wasn't caught on the live feed but Andreas Kolb is 10 seconds back at the first split. Andreas showed some incredible speed in qualifying and during the semi-finals so he will be one to watch next weekend. Now there is only Loic Bruni left to beat Jordan Williams.

6:40 am PDT: Loic Bruni Goes 3rd Giving Jordan Williams the Win at Lenzerheide
In a battle of Specialized Demos it was first-year Jordan Williams who came out on top winning his first Elite World Cup race.






Full Results:



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Overall Standings:



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586 Comments
  • 470 7
 Queen Rachel Atherton you f*cking legend.
  • 58 1
 She really is in a league of her own, that was amazing
  • 90 1
 That's comeback of the year wrapped up.
  • 12 0
 good day for the Brits if Williams time holds
  • 50 1
 @tomo12377: What a day for Downhill and the Brits. Rachel comes back after having a baby and wins and Jordan freaking wins his first ever elite race.
  • 39 52
flag Muckal (Jun 10, 2023 at 6:57) (Below Threshold)
 @bikes-arent-real: who? Surely you mean Jackson, right? Is there any first year elite rider capable of a win besides Jackson? Media says no.
  • 16 6
 @Muckal: Jackson is capable but Jordan's winning times last year were big margins faster than what the Elites were doing. Turns out that was enough to account for the changing conditions.
  • 17 4
 @bikes-arent-real: woosh
  • 2 2
 Don't know who Tomo is, must of hit something by mistake, my bad
  • 6 21
flag on-the-move (Jun 10, 2023 at 7:22) (Below Threshold)
 @mi-bike: No i understood the stupid joke mate.
  • 19 0
 @bikes-arent-real: challenging Rachel for comeback of the year, eh?
  • 10 4
 #MomSpeed
  • 8 0
 Top 5 on the SAME SECOND!
Jeez, that’s nuts on a course like that
  • 2 5
 @russthedog: the league is called women
  • 5 0
 Has anyone heard about Wyn's condition?
  • 1 1
 @suspended-flesh: probably something like this? youtu.be/dooSFIvLn-Y
  • 3 0
 @bikes-arent-real: : has that ever happened ?

Winning first elite race ever?? Amazing!
  • 232 3
 So stoked for Rachel, gutted we don't get to hear Warner loose his shit as she crosses the line though!
  • 34 2
 That’s exactly what I was thinking. It would have gave goosebumps with the emotion of that moment. We really did miss something.
  • 18 0
 I like to think he was commentating to himself/ friends full gas from wherever he was watching
  • 8 0
 Would have loved to hear Warner lose his mind
  • 13 1
 It would be awesome if he did a world cup race companion podcast, kind of like what Joe Rogan does with mma fights he's not commentating on
  • 11 2
 I heard this quote from one of the dumb announcers during the semi and was happy I didnt support the worst broadcasting team ever assembled for World Cup downhill racing:

"Such a fascinating sport made even more fascinating by the semi final format."

The announcers they used back in the late 90's were more tolerable to listen to than this crew. Cedric was a great racer but is simply awful in the booth.
  • 4 1
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I haven't heard anyone more monotonous than Ric (as knowledgeable as he is). The 1st time I heard him in enduro I felt the same. Surely there's someone on this planet more comparable to Rob.
  • 181 23
 Man this paid broadcast killed DH world cup for me
  • 25 5
 Yup, for me too... These mofos are not broadcasting in any of the eurosport channels, seriously, fuk this...
  • 5 1
 Detto
  • 35 22
 Most of the viewing population has no idea who Cedric is. Mumbling french guy.
  • 1 1
 @hi-dr-nick: tnx man ....
  • 59 1
 @CantClimb: Not every good rider of the past is a good speaker.
  • 1 0
 @joaoamaral66: eurosport extra9 but no commentary
  • 3 2
 @hi-dr-nick: thanks bro
  • 10 10
 @urkel: i have not heard cedric, but he is certainly better than emilie siegenthaler on swiss tv.
  • 2 4
 @jarv32: same. Pissed.
  • 13 2
 Claro Sports is streaming the XC events on YouTube for LATAM, but the fucking noodle munchers didn't include DH. Fuck the UCI.
  • 61 3
 What is it with all the cutaways to managers and spectators during the action? Just stop it, you morons.
  • 12 81
flag FuzzyL FL (Jun 10, 2023 at 6:42) (Below Threshold)
 At least it wasn‘t as bad as someone shouting „look at the time“ at the top of his lungs all the time. Cedric was almost as bad, but didn‘t talk all the time.
  • 1 0
 @hi-dr-nick: thanks mate!
  • 3 0
 @urkel: dirty sanchez is gonna come and getcha
  • 30 52
flag EarIysport FL (Jun 10, 2023 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 @CantClimb: Cedric was great. The whole broadcast was top notch, a big relief for the season ahead. Both commentators know their stuff, know the history, know what’s happening with the riders behind the scenes, and they brought excitement, after big shoes to fill they did an excellent job. I’m psyched for the rest of the season,
  • 16 18
 @EarIysport: they suck! Was boring and made me loose interest with them talking.
  • 38 1
 @CantClimb: That's kind of sad that people don't know who Cedric Gracia is anymore
  • 25 1
 @EarIysport: i wont be paying for it but i watched semis and i thought Cedric brought some good insight. They worked well together and didnt talk over each other. Definitely not Warner/Elliot/Tracey level but theyll get better
  • 6 8
 Agreed, this stinks…
  • 13 4
 @CrixxBrain: you can’t go from the awesome Rob to these guys. They don’t have what he brings to the plate.
  • 63 30
 @won-sean-animal-chin: amazing how quick everyone is to forget how bad a commentator Claudio was, and that for the last 2-3 seasons Rob Warner was just repeating over and over his catch phrases.

I'm willing to give this new team a chance to establish themselves....
  • 9 0
 @Goldfinger: For doing it one to maybe two times a year i thought her commentary was good.
It's a bit different if you're doing it every weekend.
I'd rather have someone that knows the sport than someone that is a perfectly trained live commentator that calls riders by a name nobody knows them by (e.g. Jordan Williams as Robert Williams)
  • 21 17
 Cedric knows what he's talking about. Good and very accurate comments. That is necessary in this sport.
  • 8 17
flag Fishoholics (Jun 10, 2023 at 8:44) (Below Threshold)
 @Antoniogama: blah blah blah being boring comments also kills the coverage. It sucked and I don’t care what anyone else thinks. That’s my take on it. I hope it gets better
  • 22 4
 Coverage wasn’t as good as redbull and no Rob Warner blows.
  • 25 15
 Sorry but those of you who don’t know who Cedric Gracia is need to brush up on some MTB history. He is a former Rampage competitor and WC DH podium placer. Cmon people. He is one of the gnarliest dudes in the sport.
  • 48 1
 @MT36: I'm fully aware of who he is and what he's done. It doesn't automatically make him a good commentator though.
  • 22 0
 Can't help but feel CG would be a lot better commenting in french. He obviously got a lot of good insights, but struggled to get a good flow going on his commenting.
  • 4 0
 @urkel: For me too. I went riding instead, only checking the results afterwards.
Congrats to Rachel and Jordan. Great start!!!
  • 10 6
 Didn’t watch it. I’m done. Have to have boundaries with these corporate hedgehogs. I’ll support all of them on social media and YouTube but won’t watch a race unless it’s in person.
  • 31 1
 I'm glad I didn't pay for GCN. Watched the semis on YouTube and went to the LBS to see the finals. I thought some of the justification behind moving to a pay to view model was that the coverage would improve, we'd see more of the track and riders in the final. There were annoying gaps in coverage of the track previously and whole areas that we used miss. I was so looking forward to coverage that actually covered more of the riders runs, but I was so disappointed. I think the coverage was about the same as Red Bull's which given the extra money, is unacceptable. Cedric and Ric were fine, understandable that they didn't match Rob first time out, but I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
  • 23 6
 @bazbails: redbull is a 5 star production company at this point. Thinking they were leaving any meat on the bone as far as angles etc. Was foolish of us all.

Red bull puts on some of the best events in multiple sports. If they can't get the shot with their experience there's a reason.

GCN+ lied. False advetised. Imagine that. The sleaziesy mofos in the cycling world , the used car salesmen of cycling YouTube, lied and pulled a fast one.
  • 3 4
 @CantClimb: His gram is cringe and he's trying to hard. Great riders don't necessarily make great media presenters.
  • 10 3
 It being paid is the smallest problem. I'm fine with paying for stuff I like. It's the quality that's trash. I like Cedric but he is not a good comentator. Also why are they using microphones that are 80 years old? You barely hear them
  • 8 0
 @swellhunter: hedgehogs are adorable please don’t disparage them with association to greedy pigs.
  • 11 21
flag jimmythehat (Jun 10, 2023 at 15:11) (Below Threshold)
 GCN subscription, bargain and much better coverage than redbull
  • 7 4
 @WordBikes: finals was much better
  • 6 11
flag jimmythehat (Jun 10, 2023 at 15:13) (Below Threshold)
 @bazbails: nope was much better than redbull, more track shown
  • 24 12
 Same. From watching the frankly shithouse quality of the semis, watching DH live is dead for me.

It was like watching boring TikTok or Insta Reels or YouTube shorts. The same 15 seconds of track over and over again except for the last handful of riders. With no time between the runs for replays of crashes, it was start gate, jumps, bottom section - didn’t matter who the riders were since those were not key sections of the race, they were the easy sections. Where riders lost time in the woods, Discovery wouldn’t or couldn’t show it. Not to mention how shit the drone shot was with riders not being kept in frame. I’ve not seen such shit production quality and poor direction (showing riders from the back going over a technical drop and missing where they land because of a bad cut) since the early freecaster days.

Can’t believe there are suckers paying the UCI for this. Sure Discovery may cover more of the track, but if you’ve got a shit production team that can’t keep riders in frame and a director and producer who don’t understand what makes an interesting mountain biking shot there’s no point.

The UCI, GCN and Discovery have f*cked up.
  • 12 0
 @SimonVelo: They should led the riders come into frame on a shot. Rider leaves a camera angle. Then cut to the next camera angle and let the rider enter into frame meaning a brief moment for the viewer to understand what part of the trail they are on.

The drone shots yeah cool but I don't think they offer the viewer much. So in this case it is the Director in the truck calling the cuts to camera that probably isn't from the sport. Also the cutaways to the crowd during a run were absolutely unnecessary. DH isn't F1. In F1 they cut into the crowd for a brief moment when nothing is happening on lap 36 or whatever. Cutting out of the action to the crowd mid race run is disorienting and un necessary.

Agree more cameras isn't necessarily better. It's more cameras in the right spots with the right direction.
  • 11 7
 Is this because you couldn’t watch it or you complaining about the quality of the broadcast.
I understand for some, paying to watch isn’t an option. But for most adult mtbers, come on stop being tight. You pay thousands a year on your sport, the cost of an annual pass to watch top level sport is tiny in comparison
  • 7 5
 @EarIysport:
Yeh, it wasn’t actually as bad as I expected. I’m happy enough, there was still excitement.
As much as I loved Warner, every race he’d make the exact same cliche comments about the riders. Was nice to see Luca Shaw do a run without mention of his girlfriend
  • 10 4
 @swellhunter: your loss. The race was incredibly exciting to watch
  • 9 3
 @SimonVelo: do you didn’t actually watch the final ? It way way better coverage. 3 minute gaps. Most of the track was covered
  • 3 0
 @OneEyedHito: sat outside feeding hedgehogs now
  • 10 0
 @MT36: I loved how Cedric was at the times he was racing. It doesn't make him a better commentator. He was too chatty, made awkward comments, and didn't bring anything extra to the table.

I'm not saying he can't improve his performance in the next races, but for a debut, I sincerely hoped for a better one. And not just from him, the main guy seemed to lack a general knowledge of the field.

Claudio and Rob knew the racers, the teams, the managers... These guys are just plainly lost.
  • 1 0
 @jimmythehat: what were you watching again?
  • 6 2
 @SimonVelo: the finals had almost complete full runs for all 30 riders. that is much more coverage than we used to get with Redbull. The commentary is weak though.
  • 3 0
 @FuzzyL: you knew that was down vote of the year on here right?
You can't hate on Mr. Warner and his downhill commentary without serious backlash.
  • 6 0
 @southoftheborder: CG way too French rider biased. Every time one of his country men was on the track he was losing his shit. Seemed overly gutted Loic didn't pull out the win. Just my 2 cents. Congrats Rachel and Jordan!
  • 1 0
 @Snapcatcher: I would think about getting an annual pass but it’s 9 races in what 4-5 months or 17-18 weeks; that’s a lot of time where I got nothing to watch from my subscription, so thought I would see how the year pans out.
So far I give first race jitters, well for what I was gonna pay for not really any improvements from red bull, no real improvements in coverage , but I will give it time, before I decide to commit.
  • 8 0
 @Goldfinger: what was the issue with my commentary? Love a productive feedback!
  • 3 5
 @AddisonEverett: one of the most entertaining riders of his time. Always styling out and happy to chat in the pits as well.
Rick and Cedric compliment each other well and already have a wider relevant and informative dialogue than Rob and Claudio ever did.
  • 7 0
 @Goldfinger: any productive feedback about my commentary? I’d like to improve for the next one
  • 4 0
 @emi008: I found your commentary tiptop, Emelie. Thank you (and SRF)! What I would find super interesting, however, is if you would tell more about line choices. I totally get that this is very hard from the footage provided and ad hoc, but it would, I think, help outsiders/us a lot to understand the sport's complexity and why someone gained or lost time in a section.
  • 3 0
 @emi008: i enjoyed your commentary, Emi. I also thought it's valuable to have someone as a co-commentator that knows the people and can tell who is shown if it's someone from the teams etc. Also that you know the different riders and what their story was etc. These are the things someone like you, which is still in the DH scene, can really bring additional value to the broadcast.
If there would be one thing of criticism, it's that sometimes you made those afraid noises where you might know that the line is hard to get and not crash and the viewer didn't catch that or couldn't see the relevant details on the image. So it might be helpful to explain those details (that might be known from the trackwalk) more. This might also need to film a short segment or two more together with SRF.
But as I said in another comment: you did a great job and this is (in my opinion) already complaining on a high level.

Now i just keep my fingers crossed that they might stream the finals of the remaining races on SRF aswell... ;-)
  • 1 0
 @MT36: but is a terrible commentator
  • 1 3
 @BarryWalstead: No problem, I was expecting that. At least I won‘t have to listen to Mr. Warner‘s „commentary“ anytime soon again, that‘s enough for me. Hopefully Cedric doesn‘t put too much energy in further copying him.
  • 2 1
 @Antoniogama: Maybe you missed all of his commentary - he's mostly clueless & lost, saying obvious things "oooo he's so fast!"...."she's really going fast now".... "that was so fast..." very little about the rider, history, etc...he was lost. We had to turn off the sound and comment ourselves like we all Rob Warner. Surely he's great guy & cyclist but a cycling career does not = great commentary. He's not even close. Ric was fine & seems to know whats up but man...can't listen to Cedric. Painful.
  • 7 0
 @Goldfinger: Weird: that's just a below the belt cut @ Emilie. Cedric is nearly impossible to listen to - as if cotton candy itself was announcing. No pace or restraint, timing or seeming knowledge of the track and sport. Cedric is all rabbits-being-chased-by-the-dogs right from the start...very amateurish. It was painful

I didn't listen to @emi008 on Swiss TV (but now I will!) but on the Singletracks World podcast she's easily among the most knowledgeable riders of anyone with excellent commentary - its mostly why I even listen. . Why she (or another experience woman) was not one of the two announcers or combined w/ Ric is our loss - she knows everyone, the industry, the tracks and she's not making BS obvious comments every 10 seconds like "oooo he / she is soooooo fast"...."look at them go, they're really putting on the gas now" and the 100 other Captian Obvious comments Cedric made. Seriously - just listen to Cedric for 15 mins and you'll be trying to Rob Warner the whole thing yourself.
  • 3 0
 @AddisonEverett: I know exactly who he is - great guy & cyclist but that does not at all translate into announcing the races - it was impossible to listen to.
  • 1 1
 @MT36: True but it didn't translate at all as announcer. Ric was perfectly fine but Cedrics commentary was pure Captain Obvious stuff... that anyone could make. It was rough. Great guy & rider but commentary? Nerp.
  • 4 1
 @southoftheborder: Exactly. He needs lessons - like Rob did. Rob had to ltierally take lessons from guys he thought were total cornballs and they actually upped his game. Ric was fine & he 's got the tone, but Cedric...man, great guy & rider for sure but commentary is not his forte. I'm easily the first one to gripe about stuff like this but I will say - the excitement is great but he needs to pace it and let it build vs. busting out with it on the 1st run. Its too much. He is trainable.
  • 4 1
 @AddisonEverett: This ^^^^^….Ced was a madman on and off the course. He is fresh on the mic and may well get in his zone after the initial fear of it wears off.
  • 2 0
 @jgottya1: He was doing the French commentary for RB (from comments I've seen, that wasn't great either). Although it may be a little harder for him to commentate in English, he's not really a newcomer.
  • 3 0
 @emi008: Just purely out of interest: how are procedures when you commentate for SRF regarding pre- and post race? Do you do like a test run with old footage together with the main commentator before and some sort of debriefing where you look at the commentating together to see what was good and what could be improved? Or is that more "easy going" regarding pre/post race than i imagine?
Cheers and hopefully we can hear you commentate on SRF more often ;-)
  • 4 3
 @SimonVelo: I remember when you had to wait for dvd to see any races, you lot won’t pay a small amount for year long coverage, entitled springs to mind
  • 3 3
 @SimonVelo: finals production was better and more coverage than redbull ever showed, shame you missed it
  • 3 1
 @cletut: finals coverage was great, much more track than the free YouTube stream
  • 5 0
 @emi008: it's awesome that you are engaging on the comments. I didn't listen to your commentary but was surprised to hear any negativity after following you on podcasts. I think there have been a lot of knee jerk reaction to the changes. But the fact that you are willing to react to constructive criticism is classy.
  • 7 2
 @Snapcatcher: Not sure what you were watching. Commentary was shocking, so many mistakes and random statements that made the commentators, especially Cedric sound like that have no knowledge of MTB. No Key section timing, no exciting graphics during the runs that show the distance between the rider on track and rider in the hot seat. Build up before was boring no rider interviews, and poor track preview. Drone footage was shocking, also showed Nina’s highlights for Marines run, even though Nina was yet to come down the hill. The only saving grace was Reece Wilson haha
  • 4 1
 @Fishoholics: Aside from not having Rob's fantastic verbal delivery there were even bigger mistakes:
They didn't closely follow and react to the racing action at each split the way Rob and Co did. They are talking about Gwin while Dakota is almost 2 seconds in the green, etc... Its clear that Cedric is knowledgeable but he struggles with English which is sub-optimal for a commentator. Lots of room to improve.
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 @Phipu:
Haha it’s pretty easy going as I have a lot of other jobs to cover for a race weekend! We meet the day before to do that short segment about a key section of track, meet the morning of the race to discuss riders infos etc and then i’m off filming on track for my team, scope the last line changes etc and i’m basically on track until just before finals start we had a few issues with interviews from main broadcaster behing played without any warnings (usually you get a headsup so we can introduce it)… i’ll commentate world champs in Scotland again so hopefully my swiss german comes back quicker next time
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: thanks for the support! Talked to the guy apparently it was my swiss german that irritated him… as it’s not my first language it took me a fait bit to find my words back after a full week in english will try to improve for worlds though!
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 @Phipu: thanks! My swiss german took a bit to come back and I was nervous for camillegood point, feel sometimes like there isn’t enough time though to explain everything you want, but i’ll try to make sure to have explained more about certain key sections !
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 @BLW553c: thank you! Apparently it was more because my german grammar isn’t perfect that I got dissed haha. Appreciate your nice words, hard to talk german when you’ve been in english / french all week
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 @emi008: thought that this might be the case (and very understandable!).

Regarding the languages: i know that feeling. Quite often have it that i need a word in English and remember it in French instead (despite my French being sh*t for 9 years of lessons back in school).
I guess to bring back the topic related Swiss German there is only the option to grab a coffee or so with someone and do some "fachsimple" with someone in the scene. ^^
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 @bazbails: Did the finals show much more than semi finals (more of the run, replays etc), or was it just semi finals V2 with the same shots down the track?
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 @EchoLimaTwoOne: Yeah, came here to say, whose f*cking moronic idea was that?
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 @SimonVelo: the actual finals stream was way way better than the free semi-finals one
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 Were we all watching the same stream? The video quality I saw was MUCH better than Red Bull's. That, plus it having a bit more track coverage really surprised me. Sure, Rob is a better commentator than these guys but I don't really care about the commentating personally. $50 on GCN+ for a season-worth of better video-quality of these races is 100% worth it for me
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 @emi008: Interesting - this is so funny to me since being in the US we can barely speak our own version of English...much less 5-6 diff't languages. Good on ya! I'm guessing that having a woman in the box is not on the menu but I think it would be nice. I've enjoyed your commentary on the Singletracks World pod... having yours or Tracy's (someones!) input would be great but I'm sure you have plenty else to do and the very best to you on all of that.
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 @bikesandfun: I'm with ya - I was bitching a lot last week but they cleaned a lot up by Leogang and Cedric did WAAAAAAAAY better in Leogang vs. Lenzerheide, no question. Footage was fine (even in the 1st race, a few kinks) but overall the finals blew me awy. I didn't have time to watch the full semis and finals and it seems like a bit too much honestly - the finals alone was 2 hrs 30 mins or so...that's plenty, but it was cool to watch Jr.'s racing this year even though its not nearly as exciting as the 2022 Jackson v. Jordan races we all missed by the week - complete with endless expert analysis of how Jax & Jordans times couldn't possible be the actual fastest (even after 100's of runs from all riders) before the final runs. The fact that none or little of that Jr.s racing isn't on video is a massive loss but hey - they're elites now and not disappointing at all.
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 Unpopular opinion, but I don't think it's terrible for the first broadcast. On GCN+ the video, graphics and stream quality is better than Redbull ever was. The camera angles could definitely use some work (the drone is horrible). I think there's a lot of potential. The announcers will inevitably get better, however I hope they can see that it will NEVER be as exciting without Rob.
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 Yeah, I thought the coverage and commentary was fine, I'd pay the $40 or so for the app... Except...

I really appreciate the free "semi finals" on YouTube, in fact, for me: That's the race I'm going to watch... I had my fill after watching the top 5ish girls and 10 guys during semis. I imagine quite a few people are in a similar situation as mine where a combination of time and money means the free semi finals is all I need. Tough sell to get people to buy the finals on top
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 I thought it was excellent. I’ve been watching DH for 10 years, and was apprehensive, but Cedric and whoever the other guy is were knowledgeable and added excitement. The racing was superb and I enjoyed every minute of it. The GCN app worked - $60 for the year is money well spent for me. Sure red bull was free but hey I’ll forego buying a few lunches for the entertainment.
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 Agreed...there's a lot of confirmation bias with the attitude in these comments, any slight errors and people are down on top of them.
Red bull nearly had timer graphics disappear for a bit in every race and had no cameras on early sections too.

Commentary was better than I thought it would be Cedric at least kept the excitement up..Rich needed someone exitable with him he struggles on his own. Safe to say Rob woulda gone batshit today.
They did miss lots of details though like Jordans last two splits were way faster than everyone else and Rachel really faded on the same splits but there was barely a mention. There was a delay in seeing the splits too.
The encyclopedic knowledge compared to Rob is not there ...simply cause Robs been on the circuit his whole life... But the commentary notes could had more in them though.

For a first time they were fine...but 5hours of commentary is way too long to try keep talking. The other thing is all the additional coverage is kinda tiresome for a track that's everyone is so used to seeing and kinda bored of in the first place.

I am not seeing the point of women's semis. The field is short enough as it is.
Is the men's semis worth it for the sake of seeing each racer for 30secs more in the final? I am not sure.

Free always grow sports over Paywalls, I don't think the all the extra live coverage of racing will add to its growth, should be quality over quantity. Or the fact highlights will be all over discovery platforms GCN/Eurosport/Discovery plays etc.

We'll wait an see if they care more about the product or settle on the fact they've a monopoly over all uci competitions now.
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 Basically agree. Apart from the announcers, the broadcast quality was mostly on par with Redbull IMO. Redbull wasn’t exactly without glitchy production either.

The lack of Warner really hurts, though. Hopefully they’ll get better.
  • 2 0
 How are you getting commentary? The GCN replay I was watching was just silence.
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 @azfreeride: Didn't do anything special. Just watched it live in the GCN app.
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 @azfreeride: happened to me too, there are sound settings in the stream, change it from "ambient sound" to your language.

Crazy that that is the default setting, watched the whole women's semis thinking there was a problem
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 @luckymixes: good to know thank you, I was about to be furious I paid that much for what seemed like a pirated stream haha
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flag suspended-flesh FL (Jun 10, 2023 at 8:49) (Below Threshold)
 @EarIysport: "whoever the other guy was"? You must not have been paying a lot of attention to DH racing recently. Reece was World Champ in 2020 and won Snowshoe in 2021. Accidents including a serious concussion have put him outside the tape for a long spell. He was also by far the best of the commentary team,
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 @suspended-flesh: Reece Wilson did some hosting before and after the races, but it was Ric McLaughlin doing the live commentary.
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 Mostly agree with this, the stream is definitely better and the camera angles mostly do suck I feel like I saw half the lap coverage as we did on Redbull. They need to have Rob on the next broadcast, whatever it takes to make it happen
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 I didn’t have a problem with it and am kind of blown away with all the complaints. I can’t believe what broadcasters are saying make or break the experience. If watching the thirty best athletes in the world in their category barrel down the side of the mountain isn’t interesting enough. I am not a fair weather fan. These riders are insanely talented and hard working. It’s all on display, it’s up to the viewer to pay attention to the athleticism. I appreciate how difficult attention is for some people these days though, apparently.
  • 24 4
 Ok fine, if we are comparing apples to apples - free to free. But we're not.

I am now expected to pay 8.99 Euro per month for a product that is not better than the previous free iteration, and is in fact demonstrably worse.

I watched today's race on Swiss TV for free, but there is no way at all I'll pay for the rest of the season for this standard of coverage. I have no interest in Road Bikling etc. so there is no value in GCN+ or it's like.

If you are going to take a free product and make it paid, it needs to be better, full stop, or people are going to get disinterested and go elsewhere. 'Not terrible is not a great benchmark if you want people's money.
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 @resination: @Earlysport: My bad - you are right I was thinking of the beginning. I thought Ric was just fine.
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 Agreed so far the worst part of the changeover for me was finding a way to authenticate my AppleTV under my subscription!
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 @Mugen: here in Italy It Is €uro 4.00/month for a full year of Eurosport. Come on it's a bere... And streaming Is so good except for missing Rob
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 @azfreeride: on the GCN app if you select audio/subtitle options at the bottom of the playing screen you can choose from English (or other) language commentary or 'ambient sounds' where you just get the on track noise without commentary.
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 1.Graphics are better? Are you on drugs? The graphics presenting where the race was going was much more crisp and higher contrast and resolution for red bull. RB also had that split time constant tracking gizmo so you could see if the riders were catching up to each other between splits.
2. Video is better? Sure you get more cameras but random mid run cuts to managers are idiotic.
3. The presenters simply are less in the know about the scene as Rob and Claudio. They might be better at talking but it wont be enough
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 Adding Reece Wilson into the team doing the segments was classy, and well well needed. He added a lot of great insight and is incredibly eloquent, good job Reece!
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 @Muckal: people just like to sook and don’t like change.

I thought it was pretty good considering it’s their first go. The commentary was a bit slow for the semis but they came to life in the final.
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 @Snapcatcher: I have nothing against change but can you tell me what change was for the better? Since if your defence is "well it wasn't horrible" then it's still a change for the worse if you liked RB feeds and most of us did.
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 @Mugen: exactly and the hardest part is UCI plaster the winners names all over the place even before you can find the dhnrun to watch, as not all can watch live
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 Loved the broadcast, joining in on this unpopular opinion with much joy.
The "other guy" in the commentating box is Ric McLaughlin, btw. He's been commentating the EWS for a few years now. Seems like a very nice and knowledgeable person, and long time bike journalist who'sppublished for different bike media. Hope it's ok to commend this guy for a job well done, doing a commentating marathon over a three day race weekend, staying focused and switching from age categories to race disciplines, keeping eveybody entertained.
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 @spaced: I suppose you could make a case for the graphics. The video quality was better. On a 4k high frame rate TV it was noticeably better than redbull. I think the placement and timing of the cameras will be something they'll work out (I would hope they would have pulled some employees from Redbull over to help with that. As for the presenters, I agree they need rob.
  • 2 1
 Agree. I thought it was great. Commentary was not good but overall I am very happy paying for GCN+
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 @thebombcartel: This is really interesting comment, since I've seen a lot of comments supporting my own experience that the stream/ picture quality was a huge issue. It has been the same now for all the three DH streams as well as XC. (I haven't watched GCN+ before this, so I can't say if something has changed.) With Red Bull I there used to be some fairly rare issues with the stream breaking up completely, but in general the video quality was great.

One clear factor was the drone footage looking super blurry/ patchy compared to other cameras, but besides that even the regular camera shots looked a little off a lot of the time. Even the graphics and the Eurosport/GCN logos looked a bit rough at times, which would speak for it being a stream quality issue. I was watching from a 42" HD TV but since it ain't smart, I had to run the stream through Chromecast. (That also broke the "watch from the start" option on ongoing live streams, switching to live every time it was casted with no possibility to rewind.) I don't know if there's some default quality for their website streams which just isn't enough for larger screens, but it isn't shown or can't be adjusted unlike on some other streaming services.
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 Nah - you're good on the opinion. I've been pre-whining & bitching for nearly a year that this is gonna suck and yeah I've got some gripes but I was DROOLING to get some elite DH riding and was not disappointed in spite of my gripes that Cedric needs training, semis are stupid vs. qualis & finals, and the semi-corny graphics and pandering to the masses that the newer TV format brings. Whatever - I"m still stoked to watch and did get the GCN+ subscription even tho 95% of their content seems like road dork stuff....Anyway, agreed man: lots of potential here and Robs absence is a massive (massive!).

I'll bet my arse that they're gonna learn & modify, make shit better and riders will adapt to the semi / final format. I've already watched the final twice now and its just awesome to see racing again. First world problems here - first world problems. I have my gripes but mostly, I lost my voice yelling watching Rachel & Jordan win...exciting runs going on there.
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 @EarIysport: Ric was pretty much in the know but Cedric? He mostly had fluff to offer, in spite of being a solid rider & good guy. He needs training. There were so many times Ric would ask a good question and Ced said nothing or just had Captain Obvious replies like "yeah this track is so fast" or "oooo here she goes putting on the gas"...it was like listening to highschool kids translate the news. Ced needs to temper the excitment - its a bit to much for every rider / every run...he needs to let it settle, build, know when to pause and not have to be insane over every shot. He's got potential and I hope he develops that & gets some commenter training and I'm only saying all this to see them do well, not to just disagree or whine.
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 @Lbj666: Mabye this will pan out later, but the entire semi's / finals thing in my view is making for tired athletes, way less safety, and injuries - Amaury, Gwin, Hastings, Wyn, Cathro, Luke-M-Smith... maybe that was just the track itself and I'm not sure the order / time or if that's truly because of this setup. Still if ESO is trying to "bring DH to the world" vs. Redbull - how's "the world" gonna wanna tune into the semi's vs. just the finals - especially paid - .just seems extraneous vs. starting the year w/ the previous format and then maybe testing the semi / finals format for one race at some point. I get that things change but this one just seems dumb, time consuming & unnecesary.
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 @azfreeride: I sub'd to the GCN+ (online) feed and it seems fine - maybe something w/ your computer / device? I ran the finals twice - fine both times.
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: those riders all crashed out early in the weekend. Before the new format would have tired them out. Not sure if anyone had a major off in the final. The riders seemed to be cool with the format on Cathro's post race analysis
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 @singletrackjamaica: Word...wasn't sure of the timing on those fall-outs. Lenzer is just a slick place, but yeah - did watch the full PB post race and was glad to see so many riders dealing. Always something to pick a bone about and I am a king of that, but I also have to do so just to get to reasonable thinking too - I always like seeing the full range of ideas, even if they're off (including mine).
  • 3 2
 Currently we get less for more. It's beyond me how this is a positive.
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 @silvanoe: Welcome to Capitalism. Have you ever experienced a lasting price drop?
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 @WordBikes: disagree the camera angles were excellent showing the speed in the tech and steep
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 @spaced: better track coverage
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 @silvanoe: Most things aren't free. The vast majority of sports require a subscription of some sort. This sport and industry has very little money moving around compared to most sports. I have NO problem paying to watch it, in fact I'm glad to. You're right though, it should be better. However, I would be stunned if ANYONE managed to put together a broadcast that was better than year 10 Redbull broadcasts on the very first race. It's not realistic. So for a short while, we might get less for more, and I think that's okay.

To be clear, I think the rollout of this transition was handled horribly in many if not most ways. But the broadcast itself wasn't where most of my issues lie.
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 Men's finals coverage is great, I really don't know what people are complaining about.
  • 32 2
 I thought the racing was great, yes we all have a hole left in the heart for Rob and Elliot but they aren't doing the coverage anymore so not much more to say on that. Its pinkbike comments, people love to bitch. The racing was fantastic and going to be quite an entertaining season, some big team rivalry going to be brewing for Specialized.
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 I know I have no idea what everyone is complaining about the coverage was probably better than red bulls and that was the first race. The announcers were fine not Warner no but they did fine they don’t make the racing the racers do. Everyone saying redbull was perfect needs to go back and watch a race they had weird camera angles shitty quality at times and messed up splits too.

My only complaint is the casting feature in the app didn’t work well
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 @Aem221: same on the casting feature, on my phone I could restart from the beginning whelr the live broadcast was running but for some reason casting made it switch to live. Not a huge deal but we had to wait for the event to finish.

Other than that, basically no complaints. Some splits were messed up but it happened with RB too if you were watching closely. I have no clue what people are bitching about re commentators and camera angles. We all love Rob but I thought Ric and Cedric did a great job.
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 random cuts to managers are fine ?

or presenters where the mics are not properly set up so you hear nothing? or presters having nothing to say about the riders of what happened outside of "oh wow he is riding that bike down this hill".

What was better? This only works if you are deaf and watching on mute while also distracted because you spend half of the time playing games on your mobile
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 @spaced: yes basically all those things happened in the RB broadcasts. Substitute weird manager shots with weird shots of the ground. As soon as the WBD rights were announced everyone just magically forgot about all their constant bitching about RB's production/coverage/whatever.

Hell, we had Claudio on commentary for years providing virtually no useful insight unless a Scott rider was on track (and even then he was basically just bitching about how Brendan/Neko weren't riding up to their potential). We had Tracy just repeating "yeah she's sooo strong" over and over for like half a season. We had audio glitches, long silent periods, dropped splits, etc too.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Red Bull's coverage and in the grand scheme these are basically nitpicks IMO. But I just don't think there's any significant difference in quality between WBD and RB broadcasts. Especially considering it's their first DH race.
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 @bkm303: You forgot about one major difference: RB was free. If I have to pay to watch, I WILL expect more!
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 @chmurka3rg: We get more.
Junior races and seeing the elite 30-60
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 @mluk2004: plus road racing, cyclocross, documentaries, etc. Maybe ppl here don't care about that but it still comes with the subscription. The annual subscription is a solid deal IMO.
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 Watching the Finals on Swiss TV - the commentary is much better. I don't speak a word of German, but it's still better than the GMBN+ effort. Same camera work sadly.

Really really poor show UCI, I'd never pay for this unprofessional coverage compared to Redbull. As I said in the Semi's thread, the recent golden age is over, the change of coverage will do nothing for the sport.
  • 27 3
 Yeah, I was coming into the race with an open mind with Warner gone, etc. but it's simply just not as good. Don't get me started on the lack of fantasy though...
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 Is the whole track actually being shown with the larger gaps between riders?
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 @spicysparkes: Nope, not for the Women's final at least - it's start gate, then skip to 40 secs later, then random skips down the run. Not close to the full track.
  • 4 0
 @hi-dr-nick: Someone made a fantasy league
www.downhillmtbfantasy.com/Login
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 Yes, I am also watching on Swiss TV. Love the commentary of Emilie Siegenthaler, bringing emotion to the often very straight face bike commentary...
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 @Marc2211: It's not showing the full track and it's full of glitches. Half the green splits have shown as red, or the red splits have shown as green, names are posting incorrectly and it keeps jumping to empty camera fields. Then on top of all the technical issues the commentators don't seem to have been trained properly, there aren't good interviews with the riders or even many reaction shots at the finish line and the abysmal tracking of the splits makes it hard to get into the race aspect of the race.

I know we can expect some issues early on, but damn, they have a lot to improve.
  • 13 1
 Hoped for big things. Sadly very disappointed! The atmosphere has gone.
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 @mattywba: commentary is awful, they keep talking about how much presence team X has in the pits, literally nobody is arsed, talk about the ride on track now how pivot factory racing have 15 people working at world cups.

Especially given it’s a repeat of the same shite they spouted during the junior coverage yesterday.
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 @kev-jones: I’ve turned it off. I couldn’t take one more word of that tripe!
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 @Rudy2455: you must have watched a different broadcast to me. You’re pretty miserable c#nts after another nail biting World Cup race. It was awesome to have it back!
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 @EarIysport: my apologies Mr Ball
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 @cky78: Yep there are 975 players for this race and it will no doubt go up when people find out about it.
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 Ya i disagree. The omission of Rob aside it was like for like with Red Bull. I’m actually surprised it took this long to have to pay to watch and hopefully over the seasons it makes the broadcast even more robust
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 @EarIysport:
Agreed. The race was awesome.
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 Saying commentary was better when you don't speak the language is an interesting take
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 @Rudy2455: Agreed.
Also, with Rob we were getting a lot of insight when it came to the riders, like who crashed during practice, how did the current rider do previously in this venue, has anything interesting happened to the rider during the off-season, and so on. Rob has talked to the riders a lot during the race week, and you really got the feeling that he was IN this. Here the commentators did not offer basically any insight like that, it felt like they were just outside commentators, not having too much to do with the sport. Ric had only something to say about Ronan Dunne, because he's from Ireland, how lame is that. Also, they were both losing their shit when riders from their countries were on, a little too much, they could at least try to be more impartial.
Discovery was supposed to bring a s&itload of money to this and improve on things. So comparing this broadcast to RB just like that does not do it justice! Also, if I have to pay to watch, I expect more.
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 @chmurka3rg: Yes, you put it into words perfectly. These insights are missing and the whole broadcast is affected.
  • 48 5
 Was the first broadcast perfect? Of course not. Were the new commentators as good as the ones who have been commentating on the sport for years? Of course not. But holy hell was the racing incredible and the stream did not have any glitches or bugs for myself which is a lot to ask of from a technical standpoint. Let’s all stop complaining and be happy that the best sport in the world is back and put out a HUGE congrats to two racers who I would have never seen winning today. Rachael the most badass mom to have ever existed, and Jordan fresh from juniors looking as calm and composed on his race run as veterans that have been at it for YEARS. Just glad to have it back
  • 12 7
 They literally didn't know where Bruni had come when he crossed the line hahaha
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 So everything to do with production wasn't great but the same racers we have been watching for years raced incredibly like they always do? Gotcha.
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 @AlanMck: Was like that the whole weekend. Graphics need tweaking. Direction needs improvement. And I definitely don't need a cutaway shot to a young girl looking at her cellphone.
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 @Earlistotle: loool! THIS ☝

I‘ve been sooo mad about the cutaways to team managers and kids playing pokemon on their phone during the friggin race run. They even kept these shots in the joke they call „race highlights“. WTF???
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 Haha wtf
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 JORDAN WILLIAMS!
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 The fastest name in DH racing (if you're an older F1 fan anyway)
  • 8 2
 How are people not talking about this? At least just as crazy as rachel winning. Unbelievable.
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 @plustiresaintdead: maybe the Pinkbike mods are deleting everything because Jackson didn't win? (I'm kidding)

It's because both men's and women's updates are on a single page so Rachel blew the barn doors off with her run and monopolised the comments. To be fair it's fantastic that she did, and I'm sure Jordan and Jackson will have plenty of wins for us to shout about over the next decade
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 @suspended-flesh: haha, wait a second :p
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 Do you think specialized will let him ride the new bike now?
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 @bbachmei: I bet they keep him on the current model since they are still in stock. Good advertising
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 Williams winning his debut race in elites. Has this happened before? Insane.
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 Nico of course, and he was only 16 at the time.
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 These dark and poor quality drone shots are so annoying. The camera swaps and positioning are also really bad.
With the missing head to head illustrations there is also the close competition missing. Can’t believe i paid for this.

Rob Warner we miss you!
  • 4 1
 Warner Robs Entertainment would be better
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 The drone was a bit odd. Watched a recent XCO and the drone footage through tight trees was amazing. Today not so much
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 Agreed
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 @mashrv1: I suppose the speed makes it harder?
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 @singletrackjamaica: maybe, but it looked like a straight shot compared to the XCO that was turning all over. The most noticeable thing was the image quality though, the XCO one seemed higher definition. Might just have been different kit at this event
  • 28 0
 Youtube lenzerheide and filter by live
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 cheers bro, watching now!
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 Thank you
  • 27 4
 What is everybody on about? Watched it on GCN+ and it was way smooth and trouble free. Good coverage and fantastic racing. All the on screen info was on point.

Sure warner is missed but the world keeps turning. When scrolling through this comment section one gets the feeling the people are terrified of change. Get with the times. And it's not that hard to find where you can watch it.
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 Well to be fair splits were not shown for all racers - just like RB feed.
  • 6 1
 Totally agree. I've honestly got very few complaints about the new coverage, no more than I had with the red bull stream. Excited to see it mature as the season progresses.
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 Best commentator award goes to: Reece Wilson.
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 By far.
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 Agreed Reece was really good.
Insight was really on point (unless scripted)

He commentated on hardline year before last (think) and was real good.
Him and Warner worked well together.
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 I agree he was great on Hardline, but he was not commentating this race... It was CG and Rick, the guy from EWS highlights.
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 This coverage is a joke. We've paid for Eurosport through Prime, with the women's Finals running with no commentary and in my opinion nowhere near enough on screen info. This is doing our sport no favours.
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 You honestly don't want the commentary.
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 @bikes-arent-real: I mean it's bad but you barely hear it anyway so it's almost like not having it
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 @spaced: We tried to watch the women's finals with polish commentary, just to see how it was, and OMG that was bad xD
The choice was basically from bad to worse, when it comes to the commentary.
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 Rachel!! Yay mum!!!
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 1st, 3rd and 5th for Specialized - but still a marketing disaster: The 1st year elite guy on the old bike shows the big fellas on the secret prototyp how to win!

Jordan Williams - what a guy and what a story!!!
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 Not sure if it is a disaster. It doesnt look great but at the same time young and fearless on a tried and true bike vs the little bit older riders on prototypes that they could still be working out the kinks on. The shocks are still covered so they might still be making all kinds of changes to those bikes throughout the year including linkage. Also 1 small mistake can make a big difference so anyone can win on any day.
  • 3 0
 Also that current model is still in stock on their website and we are just getting into bike park season so this could be what they need to boost sales a bit
  • 8 0
 A marketing disaster? that's a bit dramatic
  • 3 0
 It’s almost like bike tech doesn’t really matter*
  • 1 1
 @dirtyburger: So all those teams show dump Commencal then? Seemed like for last couple years it was clear to all the experts it was best tech.
  • 21 5
 Wow this commentary is so bad. For half the runs all they can think to say is the riders name. “Valentina Holl! Valentina Holl!” Yeah, that’s the rider. Cedric talking about berms that don’t exist, screaming at nothing.
  • 10 12
 Finally people are noticing the quality of the commentary. I was really starting to fear everybody was deaf, when they all were happy with „in the green for XYZ so“ and „look at the time“ over so many years.
  • 14 2
 @FuzzyL: We're not on the same side. Rob, Elliot, they had excellent insight. Maybe it'll get better but today was so dull. Tell us about the riders, what's their training like? Where do they excel on a track, and what results back that up? What do they do on their down time/offseason? What's the team culture like? Rob and Elliot knew all of this and could weave it into the broadcast. It appears Discovery wants to make this more professional, but the commentary is shit compared to actual pros. Look at hockey for example. Any regular season game the announcers know every player and their number, all their stats, the last 5 teams they played for, how many kids they have, what their workout regime is. They know this for their usual home team, and the opposing team, every single game. In downhill they really only need to study up on 40-50 men and women combined to be able to add color to the broadcast. It should be easy, but today was really bad.
  • 8 3
 Ric was fine I think, but Cedric didn't add much.
  • 4 0
 @jayacheess: Cedric added some excitement, even it didn't make sense sometimes. Ric needs to work on some emotion and not repeating the same phrases over and over.
  • 1 0
 Haha. In polish commentary they kept saying "the American", "the French" , "the champion of her country" - over and over again!, they almost didn't use the names at all.
CG and Rick were even harder to understand when they were screaming (at nothing). CG seemed to get overly excited about so many nothings, that it almost felt like he had never raced DH, it was weird.
  • 1 0
 @FuzzyL: Oh absolutely. The quality of the commentary has gone to s&it. That I noticed xD
  • 1 0
 @pisgahgnar: Your comment about the lack of insight was spot on! My thoughts exactly!
  • 17 0
 Man when Jordan came out of that scruby corner on the feed like fighter jet that's one of the best things I've ever seen in all the years watching DH. What a legend. They got that camera angle right haha.
  • 8 1
 Turns out the camera angles and coverage was pretty good?
  • 3 0
 @dooganmcdoogan: There's a good amount of the track covered, it's great actually. They just need to get some height on some of the camera angles and it'll really be good.
  • 18 0
 I think Cedric might need to pace himself a bit , it sounded like he was having a stroke during the men’s juniors !
  • 24 5
 Philip Schofield like behaviour.
  • 8 6
 @WoollybackPaul: Grooming the junior men?
  • 3 2
 @WoollybackPaul: love the chat from the Brit’s…
  • 6 5
 @WoollybackPaul: He just said, "Look at those young kids!"... No, CG, no!
  • 6 1
 No, I'm not seriously suggesting CG is a nonce. I'm just a shitposter.
  • 13 0
 Whilst I do agree with most of the criticism, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for this first round and hope things can only get better from here. Some of the shots are great and its still amazing racing to watch
  • 16 1
 Rachel: »hold my babe I ll show how it should be done to this kids ! »

This is insane !
  • 14 2
 I feel like with Cedric they tried to find somebody with the same energy as Rob, which they did, but it's not the same. Sometimes you can barely understand him, the rest of the time he's just shouting any old nonsense.
On the other hand, I think on the whole Ric is actually okay; he's doing a decent job on the XC.
Overall, happy none of my money is going to this crap and the shills at GMBN. IPTV FTW
  • 7 2
 *you* can barely understand him, apparently.
  • 2 0
 @mi-bike: i couldnt follow the irish accent at all
  • 2 0
 @maxnomas: you didn't miss anything.
  • 1 0
 @maxnomas: try Scottish, that'll do the trick Wink
  • 13 1
 Jackson Goldstone of the …. US? Did we annex Canada? Who is this person? She needs to do some basic research before getting on screen.
  • 14 0
 Look when lands suspension boom!
  • 4 1
 Cedric needs work
  • 8 1
 @suspended-flesh: Or a ball gag.
  • 2 0
 Akin to Magic Johnson attempting to describe Steve Kerr in a Bulls vs. Knicks broadcast way back: “He the three point best shooter I ever seen!”
  • 18 5
 I regret bitching so much about Outside tbh. This is way worse.
  • 9 0
 So F'd up listening to the awards podium happening iloudly n the background while the new-to-DH presenter was throwoing out 'analysis' and buzzwords.Show the fekkjng flower ceremony. Maybe they did later, but the buffering drove me away from the end on the broadcast
  • 6 0
 @suspended-flesh: On GCN+ there seems to be two versions of the streams, one labelled "includes live show" and with only English commentary, and another one with a few language options. The first was the one that was offered as the default option, showing up on the large header "now live" list first thing on the racing page. I assumed this would indeed be the one showing everything important, but no. Once the show was over I checked the replay on the other stream version and that indeed _did_ show the ceremonies as well as more rider interviews, instead of the rather uninteresting chatting between the hosts. I don't know which version they're showing on Discovery, but at least on GCN I now know to choose the better of the two streams in the future. But definitely a weird choice in general for the "live show" to be something else than focusing on the athletes themselves.
  • 1 0
 @donimo: Yep I got to the good stuff as well. Lesson learned,
  • 2 0
 @donimo: was the same on Discovery. Two streams, different content. Was so annoyed by missing out stuff I watched both streams at the same time (tv and phone) This sucks!!!!
  • 13 4
 Not impressed by the coverage. No pre show with track analysis like on redbull and at the end, no interview of the women????? And we want Rob back for the comments.
The camera are OK but the display of the current standing and time are not on pair with what Redbull did.
(I'm watching it through GCN+).
  • 6 0
 Also not showing the podiums seemed a bit weird and disappointing, instead showing the hosts chatting about whatever while you could clearly hear the podium announcements in the background. Then a quick glimpse on the champagne showers during the winner interviews (showing Rachel's podium flashback with the real time men's podium announcements playing on the audio). I was also watching on GCN+ with the "includes live show" stream. I was thinking that surely that would indeed include everything _meaningful_, but also it was the only live version I could find at the time after coming home a bit late and first watching the women's final as replay. But it seems that the podiums were indeed shown on the other version of the stream, now I'll know better in the future. Interested to know which gets shown on Discovery?
  • 3 0
 @donimo: Yes - that was my #1 beef with the broadcast, Absolute rookie move by the director. They simply do not understand how important the body language and camaraderie or lack thereof means to the overall sport. Can you imagine not showing the podium ceremony after an F1 race? Aw hell naw. I chose live/combined feed but I woke up late and set it to Watch from Start. I will check out the Replay versions - thanks
  • 2 0
 @donimo: Found the full ceremonies and interviews.
  • 11 0
 Damn Jordan’s run was insane. Last win in first elite year that I remember was Gee Atherton in 2004. Briliant future ahead for Jordan!!!
  • 10 0
 So many people complaining about the stream but not many people pointing out Jordan Williams, an 18 year old, just won an elite World Cup. Insane pace, look forward to seeing his career.
  • 11 1
 Imagine how all the other women in the field must be feeling!? Rachel wasn’t entirely sure she was fit enough to compete even!? Lol
  • 3 2
 @bikes-arent-real: To be fair Rachel could have known she was 100% up for it and playing everybody. Mind games and all that, the Athertons are calculated winning machines.
  • 4 0
 Gracey should be feeling great. She went a second faster than the winning run over the last three splits. She did the same in semi's too.
  • 2 0
 If Rachel suspicions about needing more fitness were correct it would explain how in both semis and finals her earlier splits showed a big lead vs. the rest of the field and then she lost some of it in the lower sections when she was getting tired. Imagine how dominant she could be (once again!) if that improves. The next races are going to be more of a challenge, though, because this one was the shortest. Go Rachel!
  • 2 0
 @ABhardtail: She's probably not racing them if you heard her interview. Hopefully she gets the racing bug for more before Worlds.
  • 3 1
 You could see how gutted Vali was realizing that she had just been beaten by a tired untrained ole mom (excuse me plz Rachel Wink

I‘m sure hanging around dify bikepark and riding there every day made her more prepared than she thought she was.

Would love to see more of her racing but unfortunately she only wants to do Worlds at home at Fort Bill.
  • 2 4
 @Murder-One: I think her breasts were filling and starting to hurt so she said " f*ck it I have to get down this hill quickly to feed baby", apparently while singing Slim Shady? Who knows. She is amazing
  • 9 0
 Bought CGN+ for 7 Euro/Month i can See 3 races in this Time.
Yesterday i drank 10 Beer 5 Euro each
So These 7 Euro should hot hurt that much Just 1 and 1/2 Beer
  • 3 0
 There's no way I could afford to spend 50€ on beer either, so there's that. (Is "drink less beer" the "stop buying fancy lattes" of the biking world? Big Grin )
  • 3 0
 @donimo: clif bars are avocado on toast. Bring some porridge oats next time.
  • 1 1
 Honestly, after watching the race today I'd rather have the extra beers.
  • 7 0
 Sad I missed Rachel's win (waaaay too early over here on the west coast of the USA), but the climax to the men's final was awesome! Unbelievable to see Jordan win.

I thought the coverage was fine for a first go. The only thing that puzzled me was not showing the full runs. I thought that was THE big plus proposed by the new broadcasters, and also thought that was the trade-off for having to also ride a semi-final. Did I just misunderstand the plan? Or was there a more recent announcement that they weren't showing full runs after all? I didn't see anything other than finals, so I can't compare to what was shown for semi-finals.
  • 3 1
 No you didn't misunderstand it was a bait and switch. They promised one thing and delivered another.
  • 10 1
 Remember when we used to be able to watch live DH racing. Now we have to read about it again like it's the 1950's. At least the 1950's had radio broadcast of live events.
  • 6 1
 Like someone else suggested we need a warner and co to do a live audio stream we can choose to support by Patreon or not. I'd throw it on and go riding. Would be awesome
  • 4 0
 @Cheddar420: Football (it soccer for the 'murikan folk) already has watch parties on Twitch or YouTube, with former players or commentators throwing some extra juice over the broadcast's default crew. They got so big now Fox Sports' and ESPN invite some of those streamers to host a watch party on the booth, right at the match!

So I guess it'll be totally doable. Somebody needs to sort out the legal part though.
  • 3 0
 @southoftheborder: omg yessss!!!
  • 3 2
 @southoftheborder: comparing soccer to DH is like comparing F1 to a donkey derby.
  • 3 1
 @singletrackjamaica: oh boy you really like to build straw men to support your view...
  • 10 2
 Warner and Claudio brought so much more knowledge and charisma. As much as I wanted to be positive….hopefully they hire them.
  • 2 0
 They won't. It's not Best Man Wins - it's business.
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: That being said, a business with not the best people. Well that was evident today.
  • 1 0
 Opinions are like arseholes, etc.
  • 11 6
 Rachel wining for her come back ! Not sure if this means she is extraordinary (which we already knew) or if other girls are simply not that good at the end of the day
Perhaps they lacked competition , and Rachel comeback will bring it anyway
  • 5 2
 The ladies push. Nina, Cami, Vali have all stepped up. But Rachael is the GOAT and will push them further.
  • 14 1
 @snomaster: they push , but Rachel stops, gets injured , has a baby , and win in the very first race after her comebacks. It looks to me if she did not stop she would be 10sec faster than anyone else. I hope I am wrong anyway
  • 1 1
 @jpnbrider: You are spot on.
  • 7 1
 @jpnbrider: It's not her first race back though
  • 4 6
 @jpnbrider: But she hasn’t stopped riding with her brothers… and don’t ever underestimate a woman with a baby.
A true GOAT does GOAT things. the rest of the field has gotten better. And so has Rachel
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flag FuzzyL FL (Jun 10, 2023 at 6:58) (Below Threshold)
 The riding was not very good today, neither in the men‘s category. Let‘s hope everbody will get a little more consistent and we will see better racing in the rest of the season.
  • 13 1
 @FuzzyL: You must have watched a different race
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flag FuzzyL FL (Jun 10, 2023 at 7:19) (Below Threshold)
 @getonyourbike: Depends on what you are looking for, I guess. Sure it was entertaining. But the time differences were big and nobody came anywhere even remotely close to a perfect run. Yes, that can make it fun to watch, if someone is up a full second at one point, and down a full second at another, but to me, if nobody in the entire field brings down a clean run, in the dry… probably the offseason was just too long.
  • 4 3
 @FuzzyL: yeah they all don’t know what they’re doing, let’s see you out there then next time
  • 5 2
 @FuzzyL: I love how mtb has progressed to such a point that the common rider can have valid critiques of the top pros (sarcasm)
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flag FuzzyL FL (Jun 10, 2023 at 7:42) (Below Threshold)
 @birdsandtrees: Yeah, of course, you gotta be able to cook at five star level yourself to be able notice if someone accidentally burned your steak…

Just add the best split times of all riders to see what a „perfect“ run would have looked like today, and then check how close anybody came. That was just a lot of inconsistent riding with a lot of mistakes today.

And while there‘s no contest that Rachel is the greatest female rider of all time, her taking two seconds out of everybody else by split two is not a good sign for the level of the competition. It‘s almost if someone came up from the Juniors category and would directly dominate his first ever race in elite - oh, wait.
  • 4 3
 @FuzzyL: shoot you took me seriously.
  • 1 0
 @FuzzyL: bike set up is a factor, there are compromises to be made that can make bikes stronger or weaker in certain sections, happen in all racing even MotoGP, and sometimes it’s just that a rider nailed a section that can’t be matched, you will never get perfection you are looking for now that so many riders are fast, Hill and Gwin dominance is a thing of the past
  • 1 0
 @jimmythehat: Of course, neither in motorsports nor in downhill, anybody, no matter how good, will be able to achieve that „perfect lap“ on a regular basis.

However, comparing actual times to that hypothetical ideal can still give some orientation on consistency achieved, and mistakes made.

Typically one would also do that for a single rider, checking their race run against training and quali sector times.

Whichever way you look at it, time differences were rather big this weekend.

It often makes for good entertainment if different riders are fastest in different sectors, and, for example, in the women‘s field it might at least leave the other riders some hope for upcoming events, that Rachel seemed to be struggling in the second half of her run - would have been quite discouraging for everybody else if she had kept gaining time at the rate of the first sectors.

However, personally I’m convinced that at lot of riders left Lenzerheide with mixed feelings, as in many final runs there seemed room for improvement.
  • 2 1
 @FuzzyL: You're on a different planet if you think the times weren't tight. Top 5 men and top 3 women were within roughly a second.
  • 1 0
 @getonyourbike: I was talking about the split times, not at the finish line. And Rachel taking two full seconds out of everybody else within two splits does not speak of a tight competition.

And in the mens I‘m sure that, just for one example, Bruni will really want to know, how he could lose seven tenths (and the race) on Williams in only one sector.
  • 11 6
 Cedric has been shouting so much crap, in his broken Frenglish, half phrases, mixing up terminology, throwing down a bunch of cringy cliches as filler, using voice volume instead of bringing some info, and a little too proud whenever there was a French flag going down the hill. Dunno it sounded like the guy was half drunk at the time the Juniors started. Graphics were annoying upon arrival not providing a clear view which place the riders achieved. I was expecting better from the camera angles, since they've had only to follow the Red Bull example and put some cherries on the cake.
  • 5 1
 He sounded like he was trying to get words out whilst being choked out by the Rock.
  • 6 2
 Not to mention, marble mouth Ric
  • 5 0
 What an incredible start to the season! I thought the commentary got better in the final - they were a bit subdued in the semi's but it was hard not to get excited in those final 10 runs. Rick and Cedric did a decent job, not a patch on Rob Warner of course, but nothing is forever. There was an annoying time lag issue with the commentary - around 2 seconds, which meant the commentators announced the results before the rider had crossed the finishing line. We saw a lot more of the race in the finals, as you'd expect. I paid $40 for a 1 year subscription to GCN+ here in HK - not an extravagant sum of money. The camera work was generally very good although they should stop filming the big drops head on or from behind to give you a better appreciation of the magnitude of the jumps.Overall, I really enjoyed it and I'm already stoked for next weekend.
  • 6 1
 Actually, being on site at Lenzerheide the changes are quite nice. Split sections are clearly marked now and the format with semi finals allows to walk the track during semi and watch the finals at the bottom on screen.
  • 2 0
 How was the atmosphere there? It seemed a bit tame on TV.
  • 4 0
 How are people in the USA watching? Pay $5/month for discovery plus + $13 for VPN-express? I got discovery plus just for this and now $13 on top of it. This is a f*cking shit show and daylight robbery. Redbull and Rob Warner rules!!
  • 4 0
 Pay less and just use the GCN+ App
  • 4 0
 It was never going to be on Discovery in the US
  • 2 0
 Gcn+ 8.99month. I used a Chromecast, but there's apps for every device.
  • 1 0
 @CleanZine: I am at it.
  • 2 0
 GCN+ $8.99/month and I was able to pull it up on my TV
  • 2 0
 @CleanZine: Which they don’t have on Roku.
  • 2 0
 @succulentsausage: if you're on an apple phone then you can airplay\cast video from your phone. Some android phone's might be able to cast to Roku but not all of them. Old used Chromecasts are like 10-15 used, or run HDMI from computer or laptop. Of there's a will there's a way. Best of luck
  • 1 0
 @MikeGruhler: Did GCN+ and HDMI'd to the TV. Replay video was choppy throughout the mend final. wonder if that was the case during live broadcasting.
  • 1 0
 @Bird-in-dirt: I had a clean stream but I also get 500-800Mbps download speed at all times. That helps a lot. You may have something taking up resources on your computer during stream if you have fast internet and a newer computer. "The internet is a fickle beast" some dude online..
  • 1 0
 @MikeGruhler: I have watched 2 live and 3 replay races on GCN+ so far and have had a few glitches in each. The feed would hang as if buffering but I could advance the playback a few seconds and it would play on no problem, so not a classic buffering issue. I could also got back to the hang spot and it would hang there again.
  • 9 1
 We miss you Redbull and Warner Frown
  • 4 0
 Well the youngsters are here to stay and upset the statesmen it seems, first elite race and first win for Williams, Goldstone near the podium not to shabby. The Superteams are looking mighty... The coverage will improve hopefully.
  • 2 0
 Imagine the awkward feelings back at the Spesh Tent
  • 7 1
 Rachel Atherton proves all the naysayers wrong and totally kicks arse. Yeah!!!
  • 11 8
 Let’s give them a chance lads
First time doing something new va Redbull 10 years of work is unfair

Sure no woman commentator, weird moments of silence in the man, some weird camera angles, some too close footage where u can just see the bike brand on the front triangle, drone sometimes off. The track overall looks flatter, easier even though it isn’t

Actually my biggest problem was with Eurosport not working at times or the 2sec audio lag
  • 20 8
 I actually don’t think the commentary is that bad. Cedric is pretty funny and he’s super knowledgeable.

The format is also definitely better. It puts more emphasis on how hard it is to be a top 30 rider and I think that’s good for bike sponsors
  • 2 3
 @enduroNZ: Agreed as a viewer new format is way better
  • 3 3
 @enduroNZ: haha they were annoying at first but Cedric blurts out some funny shit "Bring back the bike to the speed!" and "Look when lands suspension boom!" had me losing my shit. His comment during Jordans run "He takes all the time in the world to do what he needs to do" or something like that, was so spot on.
  • 2 1
 @jokullthor: really liked the new format. Quick runs of everyone then full pulls later was some entertaining stuff.
  • 5 1
 They did this to themselves by saying it would be better than redbulls coverage. Also not their first race. First dh yes. But their other coverage is also shit. I watched a xc race and the camera angles were so bad they had a motor cycle on the road behind the spectators and trees trying to film through it all. It was horrendous
  • 3 0
 It's paid for now. No excuses, they must get their act together BEFORE the first race.
  • 2 1
 @enduroNZ: is he? You wouldn't know from listening to him talk. Somehow worse than Claudio was.

The format is definitely better? Also disagree. The semis added other nothing imo.
  • 3 0
 Really curious how many folks actually watched/paid fir finals? Knew how/when semi’s went? I’m guessing the viewing audience within the pinkbike community for finals is way down.very curious. First race I’ve missed in like a decade. Hoping I can “get into it” with new format.
  • 2 0
 45K viewers have watched at least some of the semis on Youtube this morning. No idea what the peak number of live viewers was.
  • 3 0
 I watched semis on YT and then "watched" final via live timing. Nailbiter!
  • 6 3
 I watched it on GCN+. I'd say it's worth it considering it's only $50/year. Lots of kinks to work out, but still great to have racing back
  • 8 0
 @Lanob: $50 a year for a few months of coverage.

It's on par with Netflix and prime as far as cost. And there's no way it delivers that level of content.
  • 4 0
 @Cheddar420: you can also pay 7€ a month for those you want, no need for a yearly subscription
  • 1 0
 Semis now up to 50K viewers since I posted my other comment 45 minutes ago.
Also: 46K have viewed the Men's Junior Finals since yesterday.
  • 1 0
 At one point men's semi's live stream had around 10k live viewers. It started super early hear on the east coast, woke up a 6am and I think the men were already on track. I was able to go back and watch from the beginning of the womens semi while it was playing live. Not bad considering most US viewers would have been sleeping.
  • 13 2
 50,000 viewers is ridiculously low… the Giro d’Italia was getting over two million daily viewers in Italy alone, even in the afternoons during the work week.

I’d love to see some Redbull numbers from last season to compare, but I’m guessing they’re laughing their asses off. No company is going to pay TV advertising prices for 50,000 viewers (also because highlights and replays don’t show the live-air adverts).

So some napkin math… let’s say 50,0000 people pay10$ a month for the subscription. That’s about 30 cents per day of programming. The race is on one day, so the broadcaster can only honestly say that they made $15,000 on race day spectators. That doesn’t even pay for the buildout, cameramen and support staff…

For the record, I didn’t watch for the first time in about 8 years. I love bike racing, but this new format sucks. I already “pay” for GCN through the Sky cable package (EU), but I’m done jumping through hoops to connect accounts to use apps which belong to companies who could care less about the sport. Redbull was at least passionately invested in the events, and I never once got spammed or bullied onto a mailing list. I guess it was enough for them that I saw their brand and product, even if I don’t drink it. How many people did I tell to download the Redbull app? Hundreds at least. That’s the benefit of “free programming”, done right.

Sucks for the riders, sucks for the teams, sucks for the fans. Good luck to them all, but the writing is on the wall… as they say, if you want to earn money, learn to code.

Final thought: I was pleased to read VitalMTBs race report. That almost felt like real journalism! If anything, maybe this new format will motivate a new generation of “mtb journalists” to actually write about the race using full sentences, facts, opinions, and colorful language so that people can appreciate what happened and relive the drama.
  • 8 3
 @juliuskliemmtb: it's $11.99 +13% sales tax a month in Canada.

It's not worth that. It was free and it's worse now. I don't pay for things like that.
  • 2 1
 @rubberbutter: So you can watch it without paying extra. But continue to bitch about paying for something you have included with a service already. How about you do some napkin math on that, channels available on SKY divided by cost. Bet it's cheeper then a one off sub to GCN or disco+
  • 2 0
 @rubberbutter: update: 103k+ views in 24hrs for semifinals on YouTube. 50k on juniors final in 24hrs. There's definitely a significantly higher view count on the videos compared to last year. This is from the UCI YouTube channel, which just from the past 24hrs of video content for DH received around 226k views across 6 videos. One year ago, 6 videos across a 3 day period available for over a year equals around 136k. Those are Enduro Tweed Valley. Granted this is free content to a degree (must pay for internet). I think they'll do just fine, it only just started. Red bull was never perfect either. What's really funny is seeing Red Bull advertising in the start hut.
  • 2 0
 @MikeGruhler: I'm not sure comparing YouTube numbers to last year is really fair. I never watched a YouTube highlight reel last year because I never needed to, I could watch the race for free on the redbull app. I did this year because I decided to wait to decide if I wanted to pay for coverage like a lot of other people, for me at least it's trending towards a no from what I've seen so far.
  • 1 0
 @matjtom90: Fair enough, it's all we got at this point so it's the best we can infer. I'm betting in 3yrs time it's going to be a well oiled machine and viewership will steadily increase and benefit all involved. I have my reservations as well on a few things but choose to do what I can to support what I believe is the best sport on the planet. Fingers crossed.
  • 6 0
 Wouldn’t mind hearing more from Reece Wilson whilst he is recovering. Great insights
  • 8 5
 All the comments about paying a nominal fee to watch the best athletes in our sport giving it all and providing huge entertainment. I have no issue paying for value and the entertainment value of that broadcast was awesome. So many other topics are more "bitch-able" than a few dollars to watch a UCI race.
  • 12 5
 This attitude is why everything free is going to a paid service. It's not a few dollars when everyone is doing it bud. It's literally hundreds of dollars a month. We have take the cable model and made it worse.

On top of that DH racing has been viable for years from the brand's investing money it in. That investment is not gone. It's being compounded by our money. The product? It's shit. It hasn't gotten better.

Stop giving people money for making things worse. You damned kids don't seem to understand voting with your wallet.
  • 3 1
 How about people in third world countries? Yeah, let's drive the gentrification of our sport up, that'll surely make it grow! Quit looking at your bellybutton ffs.
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: unfortunately cycling is never going to be an easy sport for Developing countries. The cost of admission is too high. The facilities don't exist. Even if the skill level is high there are no programs in place to elevate the athletes.
  • 3 0
 @singletrackjamaica: I'm not talking about athletes. I'm talking about regular Joes enjoying the sport. DH was finally making a comeback in South America and UCI's f*cking greed just made it unwatchable.
  • 3 0
 @Cheddar420: Thanks, fully agreed. tiz-cycling until the quality is agreeable to pay for.
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: well in Jamaica the problem is not that we can't watch. The problem is that the average person can't afford a bike. But this is the first WC that I didn't watch live in a long time...
  • 3 2
 @Cheddar420: how about these racers getting paid, some don’t and if this helps to get the sport to a professional level where more than the top 10 actually get a proper salary surely that is worth a small fee, it’s not all about the viewer. Name as sport that is free to watch these days without subscribing?
  • 3 1
 @jimmythehat: I am not paying GCN+ To watch people race when GCN is not paying the people to race. How about that? What is professional about that situation? Redbull did it for free to further promote their brand that was the trade off. GCN Is promoting their brand AND making people pay. Redbull pays quite a few riders too...

This is typical corporate greed. Won't support it. It's f*cking garbage when NCAA does it and it's Garbage when UCI/GCN do it. You monetize something you pay the athletes who are risking their butts.
  • 2 2
 @Cheddar420: I wanna watch dh and that’s how you do it, we live in a corporate world, so you don’t pay for anything, everything you watch is free, you don’t have cable?
  • 3 1
 @jimmythehat: as a matter of fact I already pay discovery+ money every month. I'm not paying them twice for more low effort content lol. Especially associated with GCN of all people.

I pay for Netflix super channel britbox prime discovery + and paramount+ Disney+ lol.

You're paying Netflix money for 8 races. For a few hours of content... And trying to justify it to yourself more than me.
  • 2 0
 @jimmythehat: The money we now have to pay for the broadcast goes to Disco and UCI, you don't seriously believe any of it will go to the riders??
Also, the new format with semi-finals makes it a lot harder for lesser-known riders to get recognition, as only 30 elite men get to the finals.
  • 1 0
 @chmurka3rg: of course it doesn’t go to the riders but some should, just like football. The key is increasing exposure by producing a better product( better than redbull did) to bring in bigger sponsors for teams and personal sponsors for riders. You can’t watch Premier League football without subscribing so it’s not a valid argument to say this will diminish dh exposure
  • 2 0
 @jimmythehat: The Premier League has/had a solid viewer base. Downhill does not. They are alienating the audience they do have.

Comparing DH to Top level soccer is disingenuous. The audience for soccer is 1000x what it is for bike racing. People that have never touched a soccer ball in their lives watch that. DH is watched by people that mountain bike almost exclusively. The audience just isn't comparable.

And what are they paying to watch it? $14 a month? for 8 soccer matches? Maybe if they bundle some low effort ads into the mix people will jump at the opportunity.

GCN is an advertising/marketing company the fact someone thought this was a good way for them to pivot to be a content provider/production company comparable to redbull is crazy to me. This is so heavy handed... They have watched their reputation tank due to their BS Ad-read-reviews they do. Now they want to be seen as the voice of the sport and have taken over it for the foreseeable future.

I watched a bit of the Junior race yesterday, the camera work and commentary is awful. If people pay for this level of content they show these clowns that it's "Good enough", is it? Because I don't think so. I think it's demonstrably worse now that it's paid coverage.

It's almost like live sports isn't the same as jacking off on a road bike for 12 hours trying to get the perfect shot while riding 2 wide being a dickhead to traffic while they shoot their stupid scenes.

Please show me a single example of a paywall increasing viewership when there's no content to justify it.
  • 1 0
 @Cheddar420: been watching MotoGP for 25 years, I’ve never ridden a motorbike never will.
  • 1 0
 @jimmythehat: Moto GP Has drawn over a quarter of a million people to watch a live event. That's translating to millions of viewers on traditional TV platforms.

The last free live stream I watched, last weekend, of the Juniors had 1200 viewers. If everyone of them paid for the GCN+ Feed (they aren't) that's like 12k give or take? I hope you are seeing the potential for harming the sport with shit #'s like these. Especially when you take into account the company behind it is driven 100% by greed. Ethics doesn't even enter the conversation with these people. They are marketing majors, the only people worse than lawyers.

If I cared enough I could dig around and find Redbulls live youtube #'s for events but there's no way they aren't 50x what GCN is pulling.

Personally I hope that the days of Professional athletes doing things for "Exposure" risking their health and safety for a company that's worth $31.18 Billion Dollars, and not getting paid, are limited. I would hope that the fans of the sport would see how damaging this is to the sport and not support it. But hey, here we are, arguing over how it's "Good value" when people are being exploited.
  • 7 1
 GCN player keeps crashing for me, not a good experience so far!
  • 6 0
 Williams! Absolutely flying!!!
  • 6 0
 Jordan and Rachel!!!! What a day for the Brits!
  • 6 0
 Jordon Williams! You Ledg. I called it
  • 6 0
 Jordan Williams, way to go!!
  • 5 0
 The Brits are back in town
A British 1-2 Atherton & Williams
Been quite a while since we last saw that happen!
  • 5 3
 Absolutely phenomenal race, both men's and women's. But my f*cking god the commentary is boring. Half the time they weren't saying anything. At all. I know Jordan's run was bonkers, but imagine being the next guy up and the commentators barely mention you, just the previous run. And nothing particularly insightful either, just "wow, what a run"

Crowdfunder to get Rob reinstated?!
  • 3 1
 Pretty sure the broadcast lasted over 5 hours from the start of women's semi final, credit to any commentators who can maintain for that long.
  • 5 4
 @mluk2004: like Rob's done for years?
  • 1 0
 @Cheddar420: 4 races a day?
  • 4 0
 The new hot seat setup is way worse than the old one. It was always so cool to see the other racers' emotions as people crossed the line. We didn't really see that today.
  • 2 0
 Yeah the raised and completely separated hot seat area isn't good. We're not really shown them on camera, but neither can they interact with the other riders in the finish area. I guess the idea is somehow literally elevate the hot seaters, but now it just feels like they're awkwardly hidden away.
  • 6 2
 Unfortunately the broadcast really detracted from an great race. At the end of the day we had to pay money for a worse product which is a real shame.
  • 3 0
 The riders saved the day and the broadcast. One of the best first races ever. I think most of it will improve with time. But, the new hot seat has to go. So awkward for the riders.
  • 5 3
 Here's my experience.
I wake up, check youtube, UCI spoils the winner of the female race in the title of their youtube video. Cool.
I watch semifinals and...
Cedric is hard to understand at times and needs more practice.
Rick is Scottish af, so also hard to understand at times.
New timing graphics when riders pass the finish line are overdone, too much info with flashy looks, not communicating the crucial info clearly. (Lack of red/green color on time difference to leader).
Semi finals is boring with limited angles repeating over and over.
Skipped the rest of semi finals...
GCN+ now asks for money to watch finals.
GTFO dude!
I come to pinkbike to check results for free.
Sad.
  • 5 0
 I agree with everything you say, but Ric is Irish not Scottish.
  • 5 0
 Quick shout out for Hattie Harden. 9th at a DH world cup isn't bad at all; then you remember she also races CX in elite!
  • 5 0
 Loic Bruni is just a pleasure to watch.
  • 3 1
 Missing the broadcasr of the first 45 seconds of Camille Balanche run is nuts! Not the full race run of the fastest semi finalist is a pretty poor show....no build up at the top, just cut 45 secoonds into her run!
  • 4 2
 Gutted i paid for gcn+ commentary is soo lame. Going to unsubscribe and just check in for results on pinkbike. Hope it’s just a one season contract. Bring back Redull and Rob!
  • 6 0
 Holy Shit it happened!
  • 3 0
 What an incredible race! Huge thanks to hi-dr-nick! I don’t give a crap about the commentary. I was just happy to be able to see the race! Thanks again!!
  • 1 0
 Yeah man, once the fast guys came on I forgot all my moaning and got into it.
  • 1 0
 Singed up for discovery plus on smart tv and no live stream. What am I missing? What service do I need to watch this in the USA. Seems unnecessarily difficult to figure out. Please inform me of the most cost effective way to watch DH racing this year.
  • 1 0
 I found a free link in the comments and badabing badaboom I was watching for free! But holy shit it was kinda brutal with the screen freezing sometimes... like at key moments in the race.
  • 5 0
 Pinkbike published multiple articles in the last few weeks on this, it's not difficult. In the US it's on GCN, not Discovery Plus.
  • 2 0
 It's on GCN+ in the US.I had some buffering issue but might just be me.

plus.globalcyclingnetwork.com/races
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: Seems like there's a lot of comments on the stream lagging on GCN+, myself included. I haven't used it before this, so hard to say if it's always been like that or is the additional MTB watcher traffic suddenly too much.
  • 4 3
 Well, made the mistake of thinking Discovery+ was the move in the USA, WRONG... Great to the see the youngster Williams at the top. The Specialized boys at the top! Great to see Dakota in the in the top 10! #USA ... and Rachel.. holy smokes, what a moment for her and the sport!
  • 5 0
 They cut Williams off just as he mentioned the after party...
  • 1 0
 Coverage was ok - definitely not as bad as I thought it would be. I’m still not sure why they didn’t go all out to sign Earner, though - it would have made a big difference to have him on board. Bad move IMO.

It was good to get junior coverage, but the production team seemed to get very confused as to who they were following - one minute you were watching a riider start, then it would go to someone completely different at the bottom.

One big moan - where the hell is it on Eurosport? XC was fully covered live a few weeks ago, but looking at the planner there’s no mention of this race until Monday. Absolute joke!
  • 1 0
 Same! Thought it was for free on Eurosport as I saw the Nove Mesto event there before. Even mentioned it to my friends that we‘re good and don‘t need to pay. Came raceday I was so confused. Maybe all the tennis crap got prio over mtb. Will check for Leogang next week but now i have Discovery subscribed anyways.
  • 2 1
 Hopefully someone (Chris Ball et al) read the Pb comments. I didn't watch but it sounds like they had cameras set up better but didn't use them well. Same with drones. So they can learn, listen and do better. I like the format. The athletes need to figure out how to balance risks and fatigue to be consistent. Just like they do in other sports like supercross ( which was a war of attrition this year). It sounds like they were trying to replicate a Warner hype man plus Serious dude on the commentary front. Gracia is a legend but I don't really like listening to him. The serious guy just needs to come prepared. Read the athletes bios and watch some old races. A pro shouldn't have a hard time figuring that shit out. And I don't think Claudio/Warner was very good. I love listening to Warner because he's hilarious at times. I enjoyed him doing slopestyle even though he didn't have a clue. We just got comfortable with him and he made us laugh. Cedric is never going to be that guy. Claudio was shit. Everyone complained literally every race during Red Bulls tenure. But we got used to him and his track previews were awesome. But even this current team can get better if they read PB and take note. Ollie Wilkens should replace Cedric for the English commentary IMO
  • 6 0
 I think Elliot and Rob would walk and talk with the racers before the event which provided stories during the racer's run. There was more backstory to the racer than what the run is. How many times can CG and Rick say looks like they are going fast. My guess is that homework wasn't done and was also a missing element from the commentary.
  • 2 0
 @ischiller: You probably are right about Warner interacting with riders and getting some insights. From my personal experience I don't think Gracia is anywhere near as well liked by other riders. But I just watched the highlights and he was better than I expected. I also thought the track/race coverage was better than RB. TBH Warner wasn't that good at commentating. But he is so funny and all over the place like a Russian border.
  • 1 0
 Great racing, the product is there for sure. The broadcast is pretty good, absolutely not as bad as ppl say it is. It will only get better. They miss read or missed altogether split times and finishing order. CG CANNOT clap in the booth, its annoying. Sometimes he just shouts stupid stuff, nothing informative. Very hard to understand him sometimes. Reece Wilson, as much as I like him racing, I would love to see him in the booth to replace CG. Overall, very entertained.
  • 2 1
 Just spent too long trying to find out how to watch this in Australia.... @redbull can we maybe look at a dh version of the LIV golf model? Throw in Rob Warner and I'd pay for that!
  • 3 1
 Well just finished watching 3 absolute ripper super rugby quarter finals, I know what broadcast I'll be paying for this year.
  • 4 0
 Watched the Brums game at the stadium, watching it again now. What a game.
  • 1 0
 @BorisBC35:Rugbys been unreal lately. Fuming about that call, but to be fair the Brumbies got a turnover about a minute before that and the ref completely ignored it. You just know a call is going to go like that at the WC though.
  • 3 1
 Okay, I was saying that it's good, I can watch it on my TV but no... wtf?! There is no broadcast on Eurosport 1 or Eurosport 2... Great job! Well done.
  • 1 0
 @agvlt: that site sucks, made me bite the bullet and get a GCN+ subscription. Your milage may vary I suppose.
  • 7 7
 I wanted to be like, ok, it's a new product. Like any new product there's bugs to work out. But nobody releases something this bad, do they? This broadcast is horrible. Yes, I miss Rob but felt there could have been a suitable replacement. Nope. Everything about it reeks of no chance of improvement. Oh, and we pay for this shit?
  • 5 0
 MUM!!!
  • 5 5
 The turnaround from semi final to final is far too quick. These men and women are risking their lives, and sooner or later making them do two high pressure runs in the space of two hours is going to get someone seriously hurt.
  • 2 3
 Dad, is that you?
  • 8 5
 Shitty Livestream, Pay to Watch, No Rob Warner… big bummer. DH WC is dead for me… #thxUCI€$€
  • 3 0
 Trying to watch a reay on gcn+ thst I paid money for and it's just constantly loading and lagging what a crock of shit.
  • 3 0
 I watched the women's final replay after getting home a bit late. It was next to impossible trying to skip to the actual race start, every skip resulting in the video freezing for 15-60 seconds (or looping until refreshed), then lagging for a good while before getting going again. I then tried to switch onto watching the still ongoing men's final, but choosing to start it from the beginning instead of real time: Worked fine until I tried to throw it on Chromecast (yes I'm poor with an old TV Big Grin ) and time after time that always made the stream switch to the live version. Gave up and just watched the remaining riders. Never had issues like this with the Red Bull player, or any other for that matter. Not super happy with the commentators, not at all happy with the GCN+ player.
  • 4 0
 Greg mate, hard luck that is.
  • 4 1
 Why does the drone camera keep pointing at the sky when the rider is still in shot?! AAARGH!!!
  • 3 0
 Or should be in shot.
  • 4 0
 Because it has to brake and turn around to get in position for the next rider, to brake a drone it has to tilt backwards and I expect the camera is fixed rigidly to the drone.
  • 5 1
 @andrewbmxmtb: don't be coming here with your facts!
It's bad because Discovery+
  • 2 0
 @andrewbmxmtb: The camera could move independently.
  • 4 0
 Did that drone almost hit Bruni?
  • 2 0
 Hats off to Laurent,
We should all appreciate/learn/listen more from him, he has a direct correlation with four of those top 5 men elite riders, insane !!!
  • 1 0
 Has anyone in the US successfully streamed via Discovery+? Paid for the subscription but can’t seem to find any sports in their catalogue. Is GCN+ the only reliable way to go?
  • 1 0
 @Kayco gotta use GCN+ or use a VPN with Discovery. Discovery doesn't work in US.
  • 1 0
 @MikeGruhler: when I use a VPN my discovery app tells me that it is not available yet in Europe or the UK. Kind of annoying lol
  • 3 0
 Well I guess we know who's winning Pinkbikes Comeback of the year award for 2023...
  • 5 2
 I watched the semifinals and for the first time in probably 10 years I didn’t watch the finals….sad day for mtb.
  • 3 1
 Damn, that was a great race! Coverage was surprisingly pretty good. The finals coverage was much, much better than the semi's. I like the new format.
  • 1 0
 Slag off the coverage all you want bit without the weird naming we'd never have known Jordan was only the second Robert W to win a world cup race.
  • 5 1
 Yeah Rachel!
  • 5 1
 Rachel is back!
  • 4 1
 Wow!!!! Rachel Atherton just broke Pinkbike!
  • 5 1
 Rachel is a machine!!!
  • 1 1
 Top 6 Men in points after today:

Williams 322
Vergier 320
Bruni 305
Greenland 239
Iles 216
Goldstone 196


[Great day for Specialized Gravity: 1st, 3rd and 5th in Men's Elite.]
  • 3 0
 Holy cow, Jordan takes the win.
  • 2 0
 Has a 1st-year elite (going from Junior) ever won the first WC of the year?
  • 4 0
 In the era since a separate race for juniors has existed I don't think someone new to elites has won in their first season, let alone their first race.
  • 5 0
 Yes, Nico Vouilloz did it in 1995. The opening round was Cap D'ail, France, which he won and he was first year Elite.
  • 2 0
 I thing Gee Atherton did it - in an odd twist of fate.
  • 3 2
 To be honest. The commentators were not that bad and I'm sure they will get better from time to time. BUT the lagging of the stream was insane.
  • 3 0
 Yeah I thought the commentary had already improved from watching the juniors, especially with Cedric calming down a bit. (Although he might still want to bring that loud rooting for the Frenchies down a notch, doesn't really suit the role.) However, at least on GCN+ there's still some work to do to make the streams more reliable. So far I've had huge issues both with the replays lagging _so_ badly (up to freezing completely when trying to skip ahead/ backwards) and trying to watch an ongoing live stream from the start, with it trying to switch to the real time footage instead.
  • 2 0
 I found the app on the TV was terrible, but the app on the iPad was fine. For me this is not dissimilar to my rebullTV experience. Personally, yeah I miss Warner, but I thought footage was great and commentary fine - a few too many cranking references, but they'll get better as they get into it.
  • 3 2
 Warner and Elliot should bring it back to the freecaster days. Live podcast that's Patreon for support. Drink and get pissed along the way. I'd f'ing pay $100/month for that
  • 2 2
 So what happened to goldstone? Theres been a lot of talk on here how he would just destroy everyone in elites?

RA is FA

And a brit mens elite win. Been a while.

Shame i cant watch it as I refuse to pay for the privilege.
  • 1 0
 What a way to start a season. Amazing race. Enjoyed every minute of it. Well done, to all involved. Wishing a speedy recovery to all those who need it.
  • 4 1
 Come on Rach
  • 1 0
 can anyone in uk tell me which Euro sport and Discovery plus channel this is on as im fecked if i can find it
  • 1 0
 It’s not on the TV channels. If you’ve got discovery plus, I found searching for ‘UCI’ is the easiest way to find it.
  • 2 0
 i was checking Eurosport 1 and 2, but seems like it is only in the website online channel. RedBull, please come back and fix this mess...even if we must pay more.
  • 1 0
 eurosport extra9 but no commentary
  • 1 0
 Same in US. no clue where to find. I have max and discovery plus
  • 3 0
 @stunnanumma1: goto youtube and search lenzerheide and filter to live. im watching rn
  • 1 0
 @jarv32: thank you very much for that
  • 4 1
 @stunnanumma1: read one of the ten articles Pinkbike posted in the last two months about it.
  • 1 0
 @stunnanumma1: it’s not on either of them. Gcn+ in the us
  • 3 1
 Crazy how Anna Newkirk speaks perfect German :o
  • 1 0
 The braodest Baseldütsch on SRF outside of Fasnacht ^^
  • 4 1
 Yeeaaaah Rach!!!!
  • 6 4
 this coverage is a bag of wank
  • 3 1
 No Rob no bueno, and these camera angles WTF
  • 3 0
 The Flat Tire World Cup.
  • 2 0
 Bring back the bike to the speed!
  • 2 0
 Can't wait for hardline ;-)
  • 1 0
 Well said.
  • 1 0
 Top 5 women in points after Finals:

Atherton 370
Balanche 360
Hoffman 250
Holl 192
Cabirou 176
  • 3 0
 WARNER! WARNER! WARNER!
  • 1 0
 Also a good weekend for Trek Factory Racing: 2nd place for both Men's Elite (Vergier) and Juniors (Kuhn).
  • 1 1
 Did anyone else attempt to use Discovery+ then come to find out that they weren’t airing the race at all and it was no where to be found on the app?
  • 2 0
 The new Demo must be some sorta beast...
  • 4 0
 Maybe but it seems it was beaten by a kid riding the old Demo...
  • 2 0
 The Jordan and Jackson hype ain’t real …oh wait
  • 2 0
 Great runs by Rachel and Jordan
  • 1 0
 Jeez,you guys should watch the iom tt coverage on uk TV if you want to hear some shit presenters,but it is free....
  • 2 0
 Wheres the replay going to be?
  • 3 0
 We miss you Rob
  • 1 0
 The semifinals don't seem to add anything. It just seems like another opportunity to show ads.
  • 2 0
 What a final - veterans vs youth fighting it out with a win for each!
  • 1 0
 is the coverage on actual eurosport TV channel or just a streaming sub
  • 1 0
 In Belgium the 2 available Eurosport channels are covering Rolland Garros and the Dauphine sadly, no downhill. Does anyone know if the finals will be available on Youtube for rewatch later on? Or will that also be paywalled?
  • 2 0
 What a race till now!
  • 1 0
 GCN+ not working at all for me. Won’t load.
  • 3 3
 Umm, are they not going to interview Rachel post-win? Did I miss something, WTF is this coverage.
  • 6 0
 Yes, you missed something - the interview with Rachel post-win
  • 1 0
 They had 2 parallel streams at the same time, so you might have watched the other one. So annoying!! I only realized by accident and watched both to not miss anything.
  • 1 1
 Can anyone in the US describe how to find the live feed on max or discovery plus. Can't figure it out.
  • 1 0
 It’s only on GCN+ in the US. There was speculation they might put it on Max with the merger but nothing announced and I doubt it’ll change this year.
  • 1 1
 Just when i thought it couldn't get worse you can hear the onsite commentator in the background lmfao
  • 1 0
 Where’s the commentary on Eurosport.?
  • 1 0
 Kerr looks looking like he is heading to the tennis courts after the race
  • 2 1
 Does it get better than Racheal and Jordan Winning?
  • 1 0
 Top 5 almost within a second. Tight!
  • 1 0
 aguante redbull, i miss rob warner
  • 1 0
 Fantasy Bracket-busters!!
  • 1 0
 Actually, no. I had Jordan and Vali. Ronan let me down a bit.
  • 2 0
 Where is Amaury?
  • 2 0
 Bad crash earlier
  • 1 0
 Commentators were kinda too much during Minaar run.
  • 2 0
 Amaury?
  • 2 1
 GO DAK USA USA MERICA!!!!
  • 1 0
 Gladiators ‘Are you not entertained?’ has never been more apparent.
  • 1 3
 “I just actually can’t believe it. It hasn’t really sunk in. You get so fired up and then it’s three minutes and it’s over.”
That was what she said. Good to know it was a bike race.
  • 2 0
 Why no Amaury?
  • 1 0
 Dawn of french domination? Too soon to say but hum......
  • 1 0
 I thought Sam Hill was doing this race
  • 2 0
 Didn’t qualify
  • 1 0
 @KUBBY: ouch
  • 1 0
 what happened to pierrion
  • 1 0
 Pierron
  • 1 0
 Crashed in practice and DNS
  • 1 0
 Was anyone representing Neko and his bike?
  • 1 1
 Great race but I had to watch on mute... Cedric is cringe in the booth and its not the same without rob.
  • 1 0
 Looking for sex without commitmentwrite to me ➤ u.to/mWPGHw
  • 1 1
 Mad she isn't sure about racing next week!
  • 2 1
 She only wanted to qualify for works champs in fort Bill. Checked that box.
  • 1 1
 So is Discovery+ not going to work in the US?
  • 3 0
 Apparently it's only on discovery+ in some places ?

Gcn is trying to make north America pay for bike racing while the euros get it on tv/discovery+. Kinda dumb when the races take place at shit hours for us.
  • 3 0
 @Cheddar420: Companies always seem to charge more in the US. It's kinda gross when you find out how cheap service's are else where in the world. UFC doesn't even charge for PPV events in some countries.
  • 1 0
 @MikeGruhler: Tax The Rich.
  • 2 1
 @MikeGruhler: I agree UFC business model sucks. I haven't paid for an event in years. but at least they cater to the na market 90% of the time.

I firmly believe that gcn pos' are attempting a UFC model.

The majority of DH viewership in North America is going to come from the west coast where there is actual mountain biking. Charging to view shit that's live at 3 am is crazy. UFC recognized that and made tv deals. UCI/GCN see North Americans as a market to milk this is going to go badly for them.

No one is going to pay to watch replays either. It will be put on discovery+ here by the end of this season. I fully expect them to put the world champs on discovery plus. There's absolutely no way they havent cratered their viewership here.

I watched every race for years and years. I won't watch this sy
shit out of spite.
  • 1 1
 @suspended-flesh: They Due, Way More Than You Think.
  • 3 0
 @suspended-flesh: Nah, I'm far from rich. It's tax Americans to subsidize the rest of the world.
  • 1 0
 @Cheddar420: Good points, only thing is if it gets on Discovery then I can save money because it's included with my Prime subscription and I can cancel GCN. But paying 8.99 month for 3 months doesn't come close to UFC model. Every Fight Night comes with your ESPN+ subscription, while PPV events cost an additional $79.99 per event. Whether you purchase a PPV event or not, all UFC PPV events become available for replay to all ESPN+ subscribers 16 days after the initial event. Or better yet hit YouTube right after the event finishes and you can watch replays before they get pulled. MMV
  • 2 0
 @Cheddar420: Lmao I live in North Carolina. I've ridden up and down the west coast. I promise you there's "actual" mountain biking here.
  • 1 0
 TROY BOSNANNNNNN 1STTT
  • 4 0
 this didnt last long
  • 1 0
 Piss-pauvre.
  • 1 0
 Freaking unreal riding
  • 4 5
 Insane if Jordan pulls this out. Could be the Willams Goldstone show this year once Jackson is back up to full health.
  • 6 2
 It's all Air Jordan at this stage mate.
  • 3 0
 @bikes-arent-real: so psyched for him
  • 4 4
 F*ck YOU , UCI ! I'm outta here...
  • 1 0
 Holy fucking shit
  • 7 9
 Man. It’s embarrassing how many people still throwing the toys out of their cots. That was a fuxking sick race! The competition is so crazy right now. Gonna be a good year!
  • 8 2
 The racing has always been sick. Now there is just less people watching it. That will financially impact the riders next season when sponsors come back with smaller checks.
  • 1 0
 With the sound off perhaps.
  • 1 0
 @Cheddar420: lol no I won’t. People will soon stop botching and more sponsors will come in. You pay thousands of dollars on your bikes. You can pay a little to watch your favourite athletes do their job.
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 @Joe89: well I hope you are right. For me personally though? I am not going to pay to watch free quality content.

If gcn delivered on their marketing bs regarding covering Full race runs with no gaps in the coverage I'd be tempted.

Why would I pay for cheaper worse hosts and an interior product. People are giving them a lot of slack for coverage. They clearly haven't watched xc. Cause that coverage has been on for months and it's horrendously bad. Like I said in another comment their camera people are riding loud ass motorcycles behind crowds and trees trying to film a race in the bush. Bud... I've never seen cycling coverage so poorly executed.
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 Öhlins ftw
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 *dusk
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 *Warner
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 Speed and Power
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 I miss Rob!!!
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 Mummy FTW! So good!
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 Sh*t show as expected
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 Cedric did a great job! Excited for this season
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 I wouldn't say a great job, said stupid stuff, couldn't understand somethings, had trouble getting the correct words out fast enough
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 Gwin let’s go!!
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 Ermmm.. You'll be waiting a while.
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 broke his arm! won't be racing
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 F'ing Americans Smile
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 @mariomtblt - You an orthopedic surgeon? Wink
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 I didn’t know he broke his arm, damn
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 @mariomtblt: Not what anyone wanted, but at least Dak got top 10 on a new bike iteration. Luca wasn’t far back and Austin Dooley made it through, so encouraging on that front as well. Hopefully everything heals up well post surgery.
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