Final Results: Lenzerheide World Cup DH 2019

Aug 10, 2019
by Ed Spratt  
Seth Sherlock doing it for Canada third in Juniors.

The results are in from a day of incredible racing in Lenzerheide. Amaury Pierron laid down a wild run today that saw him take his third win of the season and puts him within a hundred points of Loic Bruni. Greg Minnaar came closest to the fast Frenchman with a fast bottom half of the track that drew him within a second of Pierron. Current series leader Loic Bruni couldn't take the win today but he secured a strong finish in third. Troy Brosnan was the only other rider to get within three seconds of the fastest time and he will be glad to be leaving Lenzerheide with a podium finish. The final step of today's Elite Men's podium goes to Danny Hart who will be looking for more at World Champs and the final World Cup in Snowshoe.

In the Elite Women's race, Marine Cabirou laid down an incredible run in the greasy conditions to secure her second Elite Wolrd Cup win just a week after her first in Val di Sole. Second place would go to Tracey Hannah who could have secured the overall today but will instead carry on the fight with Cabirou at the final round in Snowshoe. Third place goes to Swiss rider Emilie Siegenthaler who had a return to form today going seven seconds back from the top two women. Kate Weatherly came down the hill early but still manages a top-five finish in fourth and Camille Balanche made it two Swiss riders in the top five crossing the line 7.649 seconds back from Cabirou.

The Junior racing saw Vali Höll dominate once again with a breathtaking 29 second lead over Anna Newkirk, her move to the Elites next year is going to be interesting to watch. In the men's Canadian Seth Sherlock just beat Jonosch Klaus to the top spot for his first World Cup win.


Elite Men

1st. Amaury Pierron: 2:49.422
2nd. Greg Minnaar: +0.951
3rd. Loic Bruni: +1.400
4th. Troy Brosnan: +2.160
5th. Danny Hart: +3.222
6th. Laurie Greenland: +4.266
7th. Dean Lucas: +4.551
8th. Loris Vergier: +4.863
9th. Reece Wilson: +6.216
10th. Florent Payet: +6.824


Elite Women

1st. Marine Cabirou: 3:34.304
2nd. Tracey Hannah: +0.264
3rd. Emilie Siegenthaler: +7.085
4th. Kate Weatherly: +7.478
5th. Camille Balanche: +7.649
6th. Eleonora Farina: +8.494
7th. Monika Hrastnik: +9.340
8th. Raphaela Richter: +9.832
9th. Veronika Widmann: +10.155
10th. Sian A'Hern: +14.224



Junior Men

1st. Seth Sherlock: 3:03.829
2nd. Janosch Klaus: +0.462
3rd. Tuhoto-Ariki Pene: +1.250
4th. Elliot Jamieson: +2.050
5th. Kye A'Hern: +2.138


Junior Women

1st. Vali Höll: 3:32.660
2nd. Nastasia Gimenez: +29.681
3rd. Anna Newkirk: +31.108
4th. Lauryne Chappaz: +33.685
5th. Tea Jensen: +56.655


Full Results:
Elite Men


Elite Women


Junior Men


Junior Women


Live Race Updates:

2:00 am PDT: Elite Women will be starting at // 3:30am PDT // 12:30pm CEST // 11:30am BST // 20:30pm AEST // 22:30pm NZST //

3:30 am PDT: Paula Zibasa starts off the Elite Women in Lenzerheide, will we see another new winner today?

3:34 am PDT: Zibasa crosses the line with a time of 4:07.118 this is 42 seconds of Tracey's fastest qualifier yesterday.

3:35 am PDT: Sian A'Hern is coming down early today and goes faster than Zibasa by nearly 19 seconds.

3:36 am PDT: Raphaela Richter goes faster once again with a 3:44.136. Already the women are within 20 seconds of the top qualifying run.

3:37 am PDT: Sandra Rubesam goes into third, over thirteen seconds back.

3:38 am PDT: Swiss rider Carina Cappellari is over five seconds off the place but it is good enough for third at this point in the racing.

3:45 am PDT: European Champions Camille Balanche goes fastest by just over two seconds.

3:46 am PDT: Mariana Salazar goes down coming out of the woods.

3:47 am PDT: Salazar finishes sixth, 18 seconds back from Balanche.

3:48 am PDT: Kate Weatherly is 0.071 back at the third split.

3:49 am PDT: Weatherly goes fastest, taking 0.171 off Balanche and now sits on the hot seat with seven riders left.

3:51 am PDT: Monika Hrastnik just couldn't quite find enough speed on track and goes third.

3:53 am PDT: Eleonora Farina goes red all the way down from split one and takes third.

3:55 am PDT: Emilie Siegenthaler is on a great run but she still goes red at the third split.

3:56 am PDT: Siegenthaler goes across the line first, 0.393 up on Weatherly.

3:59 am PDT: Veronika Widmann is over a second back at the third split after a small mistake in the woods.

4:00 am PDT: Widmann goes into fourth. We are still over 15 seconds back from yesterdays top qualifying time and with the current course condition, it doesn't look like it will be beaten.

4:02 am PDT: Marine Cabirou is on fire, over four seconds in the green at split two!

4:04 am PDT: Cabirou goes fastest by seven seconds despite making a mistake in the woods.

4:06 am PDT: Nina Hoffmann is over two seconds back at the first split, something must have happened at the top of the track.

4:06 am PDT: Hoffmann loses another two seconds in the woods.

4:09 am PDT: Tracey Hannah can no longer take the overall title today.

4:09 am PDT: Hannah is back at split one.

4:10 am PDT: She manages to gain a second by the next split, this is going to be a close race.

4:10 am PDT: By split three she has gained more time, this is a great run from Hannah.

4:11 am PDT: Marine Cabirou takes the win as Tracey Hannah goes 0.264 back.

4:38 am PDT: Adam Brayton currently leads the Elite Men with a time of 3:03.382, this is only 12 seconds off Danny Harts qualifying time in the tough wet conditions.

4:40 am PDT: Kade Edwards masters the greasy track and goes two seconds faster than Brayton and into the hot seat.

4:42 am PDT: Johannes Fischbach loses time all the way down to Edwards and goes into ninth.

4:43 am PDT: Harry Molloy is another British rider placing well in the early stages of finals and crosses the line seventh.

4:44 am PDT: Oliver Zwar comes just ver seven seconds back on Kade Edwards and moves into fifth.

4:45 am PDT: Jack Reading can't quite make it into the top ten so far and currently sits in twelfth.

4:46 am PDT: Canyon Factory Racing rider Magnus Manson starts early today and goes across the line 8.361 back.

4:47 am PDT: Jure Zabjek went green at split three but lost almost a second on the rest of the track to Edwards and now sits in second position.

4:48 am PDT: Polygon UR's Alexandre Fayolle just makes it inside of the top time in eighth.

4:49 am PDT: Faustin Figaret lost a lot of time at split two and continued to lose more as he made his way down the mountain and into seventh place.

4:50 am PDT: Another French rider Gaetan Vige made up time in the third split but it wasn't enough as he finishes over six seconds back.

4:50 am PDT: Rudy Cabirou goes seven seconds back in seventh.

4:51 am PDT: Rafael Gutierrez Villegas loses over six seconds in split four, the conditions on track are looking tough for all the riders today. Let's hope it doesn't get any worse for the last riders down the track.

4:52 am PDT: George Brannigan has a great run that places him fifth so far with around 40 riders left at the top.

4:53 am PDT: Adam Rojcek completes his run nearly nine seconds back in 12th position.

4:54 am PDT: Charly Dipasquale made up a bit of time during the fourth split but it wasn't enough as he goes fourth.

4:56 am PDT: Jack Moir isn't having a great 2019 but he laid down a decent run that currently sits him in fourth place.

4:57 am PDT: Jackson Frew slots into eighth, 5.627 back.

4:58 am PDT: Andreas Kolb crosses the line fifth, Kade Edwards time is looking good so far with only Jure Zabjek getting within a second of the British rider.

4:59 am PDT: Henry Fitzgerald goes 10 seconds off the pace and into 22nd.

5:00 am PDT: Baptiste Pierron goes fastest by just over a second!

5:01 am PDT: Mick Hannah slots into sixth after a run that puts him less than five seconds off the pace.

5:02 am PDT: Lutz Weber was green at split one but lost nearly four seconds on the rest of the track as he goes into fourth position.

5:03 am PDT: Loris Revelli must have had a problem on track, he finishes today with a DNF.

5:04 am PDT: Joe Breeden is coming off a great weekend in Val di Sole last weekend and finishes his run fourth.

5:05 am PDT: Charlie Harrison is way off the place the whole way down the track and goes 11 seconds back into 26th.

5:09 am PDT: Thomas Estaque struggles to find speed after a crash and slots into 24th.

5:10 am PDT: Kirk Mcdowall has a great run and manages to come within three seconds of Pierron.

5:13 am PDT: Joseph Smith carries good speed on track and it shows as he goes fifth.

5:16 am PDT: After a season-best result last weekend Charlie Hatton crosses the line third.

5:16 am PDT: Max Hartenstern makes a big mistake in the new steep section and goes off track.

5:19 am PDT: Alex Marin was green at the first two splits and manages to finish 0.141 seconds off Pierron's time.

5:21 am PDT: Sam Blenkinsop took some interesting line choices but it wasn't enough to move Pierron off the hot seat.

5:23 am PDT: Florent Payet has a flawless run and manages to top Pierron by almost four seconds!

5:24 am PDT: With 21 riders at the top of the course we are now within five seconds of Danny Harts top qualifying time despite the tricky conditions today.

5:26 am PDT: Brook Macdonald looked wild on track but it wasn't fast enough for the top spot and he slots into 2nd place.

5:33 am PDT: Fellow Frenchman Remi Thirion couldn't keep up with the pace of Payet and crosses the line in ninth.

5:36 am PDT: Matt Walker was green at the top of the track but lost a lot of time as he reached the bottom and went into fourth place.

5:39 am PDT: Reece Wilson goes fastest by over half a second!

5:42 am PDT: Gee Atherton had a great run but he never reached the speed of Wilson and goes third.

5:44 am PDT: The Denim Destroyer Johannes Von Klebelsberg was less than a second back at slit one but must have crashed in split two as he is nearly 20 seconds off the pace.

5:48 am PDT: Mark Wallace comes within three seconds of Wilson but it is only good enough for third.

5:50 am PDT: Neko Mulally is within touch of the fastest time at split three.

5:51 am PDT: Mulally finishes two seconds back in third.

5:54 am PDT: Hugo Frixtalon rides inside the top 20, 7.639 off the pace.

5:57 am PDT: A great run from Luca shaw puts him in third with 12 riders left.

5:58 am PDT: Laurie Greenland is up by over half a second at split two!

5:59 am PDT: He extends his lead at the next split, it's now almost a second.

5:59 am PDT: Greenland is nearly two seconds up at the last split.

6:00 am PDT: Laurie Greenland goes fastest after an incredible run, will he make it two wins in a row?

6:05 am PDT: Dean Lucas is over half a second faster than Greenland at split three.

6:06 am PDT: Lucas takes second after losing time at the bottom of the track.

6:08 am PDT: Finn Iles goes off the side of the road gap and has to climb back up to rejoin where he left the track.

6:13 am PDT: Dakotah Norton goes down right before the finish line.

6:15 am PDT: David Trummer is just over two seconds back at split two

6:17 am PDT: Trummer finishes 4.007 seconds back and into seventh.

6:20 am PDT: Loris Vergier exchanged the lead with Greenland the whole way down but couldn't hold his speed at the end and takes third half a second back.

6:22 am PDT: Amaury Pierron is nearly three and a half seconds up at split three!

6:23 am PDT: Amaury goes over four seconds faster and tops Danny Hart's qualifying time.

6:26 am PDT: Greg Minnaar was green at split one but loses over a second by the next split.

6:27 am PDT: Minnaar has an amazing run but it isn't enough to beat Pierron as he goes 0.951 back.

6:30 am PDT: Troy Brosnan Can't match Pierron and Minnaar and slots into third.

6:33 am PDT: Loic Bruni is just over a second back at split three.

6:34 am PDT: Bruni goes third, 1.400 behind Pierron.

6:37 am PDT: Danny Hart goes fifth and Pierron takes another win in 2019.


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288 Comments

  • 118 2
 Just reminding everyone that Amaury Pierron was 5 when Greg Minnaar won his first World Cup, and took the overall too.
  • 2 1
 From the live feed, both Pierron and Minnaar seems to run stiffer setup compared to others.
  • 27 35
flag popcornfart (Aug 10, 2019 at 23:21) (Below Threshold)
 And if you're a male you should run in mens categories. smh...this is so wrong.
  • 3 1
 Did you catch Amaury saying to Greg “you smoked me yesterday... I smoked you today!”. Lol cheeky Frenchman!
  • 10 1
 @chyu: as you get older, running a stiff setup becomes increasingly difficult.
  • 22 23
 @popcornfart: I had a really good friend of mine kill them self because of hate like that. Please think before you speak.
  • 15 13
 @Unrealityshow: That's not hate, it's a fact, an actual biological fact..
  • 17 10
 @Unrealityshow: I'm so sorry that BS happened. Why the f is this getting down votes?? What, we now silence people who call out discrimination? Way to go pinkbike commenters, you make me really ashamed to be part of this community. I bet you don't like my comment either, let's see how long it takes my comment to get down voted out. This place is turning into an echo chamber of hate filled crap.
  • 10 17
flag blahblahbikes (Aug 12, 2019 at 0:28) (Below Threshold)
 @popcornfart: you are a transphobic bigot, that's a fact.
  • 7 4
 @blahblahbikes: you’re so progressive, it’s beautiful. Would you like 65inch wheels?
  • 12 4
 @blahblahbikes: btw.. for your perusal.. the definition of bigot.

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.


Pretty sure that includes you. I’ll let you off though, I know you’re just parroting mud-pies you’ve heard elsewhere..
  • 4 1
 @tobiusmaximum: This definition of bigot/bigotry seems too broad. Does that mean I am a bigot if I am intolerant of those holding racist opinions, since their opinions are different than mine? Or am I a bigot if I am opposed those who are opposed to homosexuality? It's ok to be intolerant of bad ideas and "intolerance of those holding different opinions" should not in itself constitute bigotry.

With that said, this is not an easy question to answer. I think she should totally be allowed to race (she is following all of the rules) but I can see why some women would not be ok with this. Women have been fighting for moral equality & equal rights as men, etc. all the way down to fighting to be allowed to play the same sports as men and equal prize money as men, and now a biological man enters the women's category to race against biological women. Yes, Kate is on hormone therapy and her testosterone levels are within the UCI's regulations etc. but her biological body type does play to her advantage here and I can see how some of her competitors are not ok with this. Especially in a super small field of competition such as women's downhill and careers are at stake.
  • 2 0
 @ka-brap: I just took the definition from the top of google because I know most people consider it to be the omnipotent purveyor of truth.
  • 3 1
 @ka-brap: lets not start the equal prize money issue.. lol. #morebullshit
  • 87 0
 WHAT THE HÖLL??!!
  • 3 28
flag chyu (Aug 10, 2019 at 10:41) (Below Threshold)
 3rd on Elite Women.
  • 24 0
 @chyu: You probably mean first...
  • 1 0
 Am I the only one who can see green land for Greenland?
  • 2 0
 Uups, she did it again...
  • 1 0
 She did a ACC this time. Can't wait to see her in the top class next year!
  • 125 50
 It is not fair at all if transgender competing with normal women. You can't deny evolution of men vs women body in first 20 years of life (hips mechanics, bones, muscles, tendons etc..).
  • 80 19
 People definitely deny it. They can be found at pinkbike, cafes, non scientific academic institutions, etc
  • 63 18
 @Mntneer: there are loads of people on here who deny it and celebrate it.... that's the way the world is going. Feelings over fact I'm afraid.
  • 41 14
 @Imabigboy82: I really don't know why this is downvoted, maybe the science is problem for some persons...or judgment according the emotions not according the facts and science?
  • 53 10
 It's one of the most obvious things in the world. But for some reason now, unless there is a study to prove what is patently obvious then it's fake news....but luckily there now are the studies. Kate Weatherly should not be competing in women's competitions.

thefederalist.com/2019/08/08/study-transgender-male-athletes-keep-physical-advantages-even-female-hormone-injections
  • 9 6
 Is this a random topic or is there a transgender person racing?
  • 31 6
 The UCI is the party to blame here, not Ms. Weatherly. I actually harbor no I'll sentiments against her. The UCI has chosen to not protect their athletes. The IOC accepts that their ruling isn't scientifically sound, and allows federations to make their own decisions about whether or not trans athletes can compete
  • 18 1
 I remember my first day on pinkbike
  • 11 0
 @Yetimike2019: kate weatherly (4th place elite women) is transgender.
  • 38 15
 @humoroususername: i don't know why its such a big deal for people, we exclude people for drug use for example. exclusion from competition is part of competition. the very basis of racing is exclusion, the clock excludes loads of people every time we race. yet the left find exclusion absolutely abhorrent for some reason.

the clue is in the name, 'transgender'. i think a lawyer needs to get stuck in to this debacle and have the category aptly renamed 'female and transgender'. because only the truly kool-aid drunk are claiming she is actually female, otherwise she wouldn't be referred to as transgender.

personally i would quite like kate to win a race.. i think it would really bring this ludicrous situation right to the surface.
  • 23 6
 @Mntneer: Nailed it. It's not Weatherly's fault for playing by the rulebook, so it's not necessary fair to blame Kate. As far as I'm concerned, the only people whose opinion should really matter are the other women competing alongside. The IOC/UCI are the ones in control, but not the ones in power. The fellow women racing hold the power in this situation, whether they realize it and are scared of PR blowback their sponsors would dread, or not. Unfortunately for our little sport of MTB nothing will change. It's going to take a transgender on center stage of very popular sports like tennis that dominate the field and start turning off spectators before the governing bodies that rely on the almighty $ do something about it.
  • 26 58
flag Brklss (Aug 10, 2019 at 9:55) (Below Threshold)
 @tobiusmaximum:

Go walk up to Kate and tell her yourself that you think she is not a woman. I’m out of here, I feel my brain leeching out with this kind of ilk around here.

@pinkbike you need to look at your own terms and conditions.
  • 10 3
 @Jamminator: i haven't seen anyone actually blaming Kate but i'll take your word for it. that is ridiculous really. Kate is not to blame. but i would question your position on the only opinion that should matter being the other women. i see what you're saying and personally i think the only solution to this is for them to cease racing until Kate is removed, but lets remember that if we didn't watch and buy bikes none of these people would have the jobs they have. the spectators of a sport hold the power. you even alluded to that when mentioning the spectators of tennis. all professional sports operates for those watching, otherwise its just people in a field with a stopwatch. to add to that i won't watch the female racing any more, harsh but i have no other leverage other than voting with my viewership. (not a major shift tbh, i don't really watch the womens racing that often anyway)
  • 20 5
 @pinkbike: Thank you for putting this conversation back from censorship As you can clearly see, no one has problem with Kate itself, but with this nonsense situation which is against fair play.
  • 27 10
 You guys are totally missing the point, she’s been fking awesome on my fantasy team
  • 19 25
flag tobiusmaximum (Aug 10, 2019 at 10:28) (Below Threshold)
 @Altron5000: maybe you're missing the point, you're meant to choose four men and two women.
  • 11 5
 @tobiusmaximum: don’t hate the player
  • 13 4
 The only thing I am outraged about is the fact that some douche parked his silver canoe by the bridge jump after the big berm, almost blocking the view... what?... Merc sponsors the World Cup, it was there for display? Ah ok...
  • 9 1
 @Losmachos: uh, ur not being censored. people are downvoting ur comments enough that they get hidden. click on "below threshold threads..." at the bottom, and u will see ur other comments.
  • 29 17
 I've chatted to a few transgender people about this and while they fully support hearing Kate race and think that's awesome, they do believe a separate category should be created for people who've made the transition. With that written, there's a lot of ignorance floating around about the subject.

1. Its not just a shot of estrogen here and there. The amount of damage done to her body (bone density, tendons, etc) from constant treatment makes her very far away from what men can do. Its brutal and the fact she's willing to go through that to feel like herself, says a lot about her commitment.

2. The best athletes even for the males have physical advantages they are born with. I'm sorry to say but you cannot simply just train a lot and become the best. You need advantages others aren't born with. Michael Phelps for example, has longer than average arms and Lance Armstrong has a larger than average heart and can process lactic acid at a much higher rate than normal.

When you get into it, no one is born at the same level. We all have features we're born with that give us advantages and disadvantages in regards to certain sports and yet, never a peep about those people having a god-given right and they shouldn't compete against those who don't.
  • 14 3
 @scott-townes: the average male is stronger than almost all women. Grip strength is a good overall indicator of strength. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17186303

This is a much bigger advantage than simply having some single physical attributes. Like, Michael Phelps's big reach isn't the only reason he was the best. Him having testicles played a muh bigger role in him achieving his results than him having a larger than average arm span!
  • 18 6
 @scott-townes: take a bow, you just successfully explained why equality is a meaningless pursuit. No two people are equal and we all follow a sport which SPECIFICALLY ranks people by their ‘unequalness’. At six foot four I always rejected the ‘you can be anything you want to be’ philosophy, knowing I would never be a jockey. Or a girl.
  • 14 8
 Can we please stop freaking out until Kate wins with all girls like Rachel tends to?
  • 7 3
 @scott-townes: Lance Armstrong?!? Best example ever, I heard he was really good with needles..
  • 4 0
 @Losmachos: I guess you’re joking. (But if you’re not, everyone was doping. Doesn’t change the facts stated above.)
  • 7 3
 @Losmachos: He destroyed more than a few people that were also doping at that time, which by some accounts was well over half of the competing field. What he pulled off at that time was simply unreal.
  • 15 9
 Yet another sport and sports forum ruined by political correctness.
  • 5 5
 @savagelake: No, pink bike is in fact deleting comments.
  • 7 5
 @toprace: some, yes. I can attest to that. “Welcome to 2019 people, it’s edited.”
  • 9 7
 @tobiusmaximum: Now I can't even enjoy the forum. I have to censor myself and walk on eggshells. Stinkbike indeed.
  • 3 2
 @WAKIdesigns: how many times do we have to have this argument on pinkbike. it's as if no one reads other wc results postings
  • 8 13
flag ross9514 (Aug 10, 2019 at 13:22) (Below Threshold)
 Pfft Kate lost last week by almost 30 seconds to marine, even this week pretty far off the pace, 3 top riders out on injury. She won't threaten the top riders, fuck knows while ya'll so scared
  • 19 3
 @ross9514: i think you miss the point of this altogether. this is not specifically about kate, per se. she just represents the issue. or are you saying 'everything is fine until she wins'?

look at it from the perspective of say camille. she lost out on fourth place. is that okay? what if kate had got second? would that be okay? how come you get to make this about just the top riders? shall we not give a shit if the timing system fails, as long as its not for one of the top ten? what about saying its okay to skip through the tape as long as you don't get in the top twenty?
  • 11 1
 @tobiusmaximum: boom. This isn't about just the top 3 riders. What about all the women below her who are trying their best? It's like saying if someone wins a national xc championship in a small country no one should care that he is doping just because he isn't in the world's top 5.
  • 1 10
flag ross9514 (Aug 10, 2019 at 13:44) (Below Threshold)
 @tobiusmaximum: meh. Kate only seems to podiom when there has been a crash or whatever. Just saying she isn't that good and these comments only come out when she gets a top 5, otherwise everyone is quiet. Maybe Camille should have done better, quite a few women beat Kate most World cups and maybe we should celebrate that more. Just proves how f*cking good they are
  • 4 13
flag src248 (Aug 10, 2019 at 13:48) (Below Threshold)
 @Yetimike2019: There has been all season and she hasn't got a single remarkable result but her very existence is enough for people to have a hissy fit after every race.
  • 10 1
 @src248: I mean, being considered the 4th fastest female downhill racer on a single day is kind of remarkable
  • 17 14
 @ross9514: "Kate" looks a lot like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.
  • 9 1
 @toprace: wasn't buffalo bill making a 'woman suit'?
  • 4 4
 Would only be a problem if it actually had a chance to win@humoroususername:
  • 3 1
 @tobiusmaximum: Yup, his MO was to feign injury, then violently rise up and attack and kidnap his victims. Based upon real life serial killer Ted Bundy.

Where's our Clarice?
  • 29 3
 Its a shame that you can show up as an (Ex-)Male in the womans category and act like its completly normal and everybody thats trying to speak up is shut down and has to fear consequences (FMD-Transition insta a couple weeks ago)
  • 4 8
flag cuban-b (Aug 10, 2019 at 15:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Snuzz: good for you guys fighting for women’s rights.
  • 28 6
 I had a comment deleted a month or so ago for stating the biological fact that it is not remarkable for a well trained man to beat women in cycling. I received a moderators warning for violating PB "terms of use", and for "hate speech". I messaged the moderator and asked, is it really pinkbike's official position that stating things that are factually true in a non-incendiary way is 'hate speech'? I have yet to receive a reply.

Also, for those saying its not Kate to blame are not thinking this through. Kate has chosen to compete unfairly against the women, denying potential sponsorships, award money, media coverage, etc. to female athletes. Screw the rules- Kate is knowingly and willfully doing this.

I have only daughters, and I want womens racing to exist for them when they grow up. If the womens field is no longer competitive for women, then no one will watch, no one will sponsor, and no women will be able to compete. I'm thinking about whats best for my little girls.
  • 14 5
 @hamncheez: those that challenge your views have no children and if they do certainly not daughters.... either that or they work in the industry and fear for their jobs if they speak out. Good for you!
  • 1 1
 @mbikes1: true that
  • 7 3
 @Losmachos: lance Armstrong is a cheater, a lier, and a bully. He deserves no respect from anyone.
  • 5 9
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 10, 2019 at 23:27) (Below Threshold)
 @Skooks: well, whenever you want to say a thing like that you may first want to ask yourself what is your respect actually worth. Then telling people who they should and shouldn’t respect. Wow. Just Wow. There’s plenty of folks who admire Lance. What’ya gunna do?
  • 3 4
 @Mntneer: you mean he?
  • 12 1
 SJW's will defend anything they see as female - even if it is detrimental to other female athletes right to fair competition. What a messed up world we live in.
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 @Skooks:
Lance Armstrong is a cheater.
He had to be to compete with all the other cheaters.
But he will always be one of the most badass guys to ever ride a bike.
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 @Larkey1: to give it an interesting spin, racists and nationalists are also a type of Social Justice Warriors. They act in the way they think is in the best interest of their peers. They dehumanize immigrants in the same way SJWs dehumanize homophobes. That is why those word fights are stupid, because they take complex issues and boil them down to shallow ideals and rather dumb arguments, turning each side being nothing more but... a side that thinks their ideals are better. All we need now is just another keyboard warrior that for a change identifies himself as a genuine intellectual and will call my post a fallacy.
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 @tobiusmaximum: You seem somewhat worked up about this whole situation. I suggest you have a nice cup of tea, relax, and get back to worrying that the 'will of the people' hasn't been enacted yet. Just a guess ;-)
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 @kubaner: Armstrong got caught. That is his second biggest problem. His biggest problem was that he wasn’t getting caught for a long time and he was a dick about it. His results are outstanding nonetheless. One has to be able to separate personality from results, and some people are too infantile to be able to do it. If Armstrong wasn’t riding for state run company, the US Postal, and it wouldn’t been FEDs who got on his arse, he would never get have been caught. That is why it is highly possible folks like Froom will not be officially proven to be cheating and stripped from results, unless WADA will not decide it is in their interest to press charges. For now and a few years to come, they have no interest to get in a long lawsuit battle with his sponsors
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flag Unrealityshow (Aug 11, 2019 at 6:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Losmachos: The rules have been made and followed. Stop using “science” as a cover for your bigotry.
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 @Unrealityshow: do you think the rules (or laws) are always right? I hope not..
  • 9 1
 @Unrealityshow: p.s. nobody with a backbone cares if your call them bigot/racist/sexist.
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 @Unrealityshow: they’re not bigots - they’re fighting for fairness in women’s mtn biking. Which means they also support equal pay and representation in top ranks of corporations and politics for women. So we should be complimenting these guys for standing up against all the sexists and real bigots out there.
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 @cuban-b: i don’t think you should draw assumptions about the issues people support. Otherwise every person for transgender rights is a socialist feminist vegan who wants world government.. and I don’t think that’s necessarily true.
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 @cuban-b: sounds like my wife, the queer feminist who does pro bono legal work for disadvantaged women, but doesn't support male to female trans athletes competing against natural born women. I know it's hard to believe, but your stereotypes are just as bull shit as those that other people have
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 @tobiusmaximum: my mistake. Should not have assumed the best in people.
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 @cuban-b: who told you your opinion is 'the best in people'?
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 @tobiusmaximum: Your mother
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 @cuban-b: oh dear. you really let yourself down. and you might have been on to an actual solid position. my mistake for presuming you might hold off on the playground insults.
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 @tobiusmaximum: Oh cmon I’m being cheeky this whole time bro - let’s go back to talking about mtn bikes. You asked me a playground question you get a playground answer. What do you expect from this stupid ass thread? Let’s just end it now.
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 @cuban-b: good idea. do i buy an enduro bike or buy a full dh bike? heart says dh bike, head says enduro bike...
  • 2 1
 @tobiusmaximum: Fully agree! would love a dh bike. It’s like the sports car for weekends only. That new Scott alu dh is sick. But nowadays a proper enduro frame can do it all. my heart says buy both.
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 @cuban-b: lol both? you're not helping!
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flag Unrealityshow (Aug 11, 2019 at 14:43) (Below Threshold)
 @tobiusmaximum: I’m glad you can revel so completely in your hate. Kill yourself, like my friend did because of bigots like you.
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 @Unrealityshow: you’re good. You’re really good. We all killed your friend. Yes, I mean yes. Off course, yes off course... but maybe...
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 @Unrealityshow: that’s a pretty impressive hypocrisy you’re sporting. How exactly do you rationalise being anti-hate whilst simultaneously telling someone to kill themselves?
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 @hamncheez: Kate stated in the past that she would stop racing if she were winning. Well, I’d say NZ National DH champion and WC DH podium contender is winning enough given the discussion. UCI rules vs moral rules I suppose.
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 @PNdubRider: Oh yes, NZ champ competing against 4 women... what an astounding victory. 4th place, oh yes, that's the definition of a win. This is the dumbest post I've read all day.
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 Here is what I don't get. My comments in the past have been deleted for 'hate speech' for posting things that are 100% accurate and confirmed by science. @Unrealityshow tells someone to kill themself, but nothing from @pinkbike.

Also, the whole enduro vs DH debate depends on 1 1/2 things: first the 1/2 is whether you live close to lift-access trails. This is only 1/2 because you can always shuttle, but thats dependent on what your buddies do- if their schedules match and they like to shuttle, then by all means get the weekend sports car.

#2 is whether you have kids/family or not. I ride the same trails now on my enduro bike that I used to shuttle on my DH bike not because "enduro bikes can ride as well as DH bikes" but because all my rides have to be at 5am before work, so I have to pedal up the trail. After work I have a wife and kids that I need/want to spend time with, so theres no point in my owning a DH bike that would never get ridden.
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 @hamncheez: hate speech censorship is not applicable to the left. its to defend them. right now the left are proving themselves to be easily as hateful/violent as the right, if not more, so its clear hate speech censorship is not actually about stamping out hate.

p.s. an enduro bike probably makes more sense for most people (unless they have a chairlift.) the issue really is whether to be sensible or not!
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 @hamncheez: the moment you get into #hatespeech territory you have to deal with thought Police which is quite incoherent. That is something that socially handicapped a*sholes identifying themselves as progressive intellectuals, aka SJW, don’t get and why when given voice and even a bit of power start fighting each other in order to show who is most virtuous. I guess Pinkbike simply got repetitive complaints from some of these aholes, needed to react and you got nailed, which I guess you will survive.

As to Enduro bikes riding like DH bikes, nah, Enduro bike is as much of a DH bike as Down Country bike can hang out with Enduro bikes. They just can’t. Unless one is a terrible Joey and sucks on DH bike as much as on Enduro. The Enduro racing bike will always need to pedal well and be as light as possible because many Enduro stages involve hard pedaling. I mean stages, not liasons where a locked out DH bike would do. So here’s my latest thought: 180-200 bikes will be the New Big Thing. A quasi DH bike that can climb if necessary. Preferably with dual crown DH fork which has the axle to race of a 180mm 29” single crown fork. The only difference to DH bike will be optimized seat angles (which in case of some DH bikes are already there) and maybe narrower BB Shells and rear ends. Add suspension with lock outs, dropper and well enduro bikes already use DH tyres anyways
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 @WAKIdesigns: Yes, a true DH bike is always faster/funner/better, but if I bought a DH bike I literally would ride it once a month.

The DH trails that I used to shuttle but now climb have 2500+ feet of elevation drop, and I'm not pedaling a 37 pound bike with DD tires up 2500 vertical feet.
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 @tobiusmaximum: oh God, what left? You call them left, giving them a great favor, discrediting left that has plenty of valuable things to give this world like workers rights, National healthcare, free education etc. yes they lean towards far left ideologies but calling them left is like saying everything on the right is leading to nationalism, racism or homophobia.

I have seen youngsters playing this SJW game, how it develops. They get on an internship and some of them succeed and some of them don’t. And some of them who don’t, get into denial mode, they feel they haven’t been treated fairly. I have personally witnessed an example where a functioning lunatic that didn’t get employed after the internship (because Zee sucked) got so butthurt, it decided to continue with education and wrote an essay in order to be accepted at post graduate studies at social sciences, to become a HR manager... from interior architect to HR manager, at the age of 24, as a result of being disillusioned by a fricking Swedish company, Sweden where everyone is shittin themselves for being called unjust!

So IT wrote an essay describing their traumatic experience (for the record IT was definitely heterosexual) The title of the essay was: “system will always beat a good person”, saying the system of how we value employees must change, where it has given multiple examples of employees of our firm being put down by their closest bosses. Which was pure bollocks since, first of all only one of described individuals has ever expressed feeling oppressed (which was horsesht, person couldn’t put their sht together, given multiple occasions, one situation involving me, giving them responsibility they asked for, then rejected “feeling inadequate for stressful task” which involved calling client, setting up meeting, clearing up one fricking issue, that a teenage intern is capable of). Back to the virtue signalling it. It has basically taken one half arsed, after 4 beers testimony and then chose few examples it has determined were being oppressed. No mention of own case of being oppressed in case someone could ask a few questions which would quickly lead the interviewer to a conclusion that IT is full of crap!

This is the kind of mind that wants to fight for gender rights on a bike site... no, I don’t fight fo myself, I fight for others... and please observe this attitude is present on both sides of the argument here. Oh, I do it for transgender people! VS I fight for the right of women to race fairly!
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 @WAKIdesigns: wait I want to hear your response about enduro VS dh bike
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 @hamncheez: depends on the trails you ride I guess... but at the same time I can climb 2000-2500ft on DD tyres with inserts, in fact I do every summer, not even having Eagle. Hence, why not get additional 20-30mm of lockable travel? Quite frankly I cannot imagine having 160mm of travel, modern geo and using Exos...
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 @WAKIdesigns: Well, I have pinched through the sidewalls of my EXOs multiple times, to the point where it won't hold air tubless, so I put a Tannus in there and had only one freak pinch flat since then- I recommend it above any other insert.

I agree, the next big thing are freeride bikes again, 180mm travel bikes that can pedal uphill (like my old 2011 Kona Coilair) but its more than just a lockout that makes a bike climb. As much as its unpopular to say around here weight matters.
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 @WAKIdesigns: OH also socialized medicine sucks, you have it in Sweden or whatever but you still have erectile disfunction.
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 @hamncheez: what does erectile disfunction have to do with healthcare system? Also Swedish pump costs less than one Viagra
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 @hamncheez: also I need tyre insert as well as the DD casing for riding in the mountains. Exo+ insert won’t work for me. I’ll rip the tire off the rim or warp it sooner or later. Hitting berms with Exo is not my cup of tea either. For me riding exos on a 140+ bike in the mountains is simply like having an erectile dysfunction. Less embarrassing but just as irritating
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: try a tannus with a regular EXO. They are cheaper than most other options. The tannus gives sidewall support, and it uses a tube so no burping.
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 @hamncheez: How about you PM him this BS?
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 @WAKIdesigns: Here is a vid of a riding buddy of mine hitting a good sized jump with only 10 PSI in his tires, using Tannus:

www.instagram.com/p/By1AzbAltK7
  • 46 2
 Vali Holl what the hell... 29 seconds up on 2nd?!
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 Must of been extra motivated since she didn't take first place last week..
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 Just sneaking in the win.
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 Keen to see where that lands her in elite.
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 @Clarkeh: she would have won it!
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 And would have placed 1st in the women's elite! They are going to be gutted when she moves up next year.
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 @karatechris: women elite raining
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 That is crazy, she just needs to stay healthy.
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 OK. So the rain came in after the junior women. But I'm sure she has what it takes to podium next year.
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flag TobiasHandcock (Aug 10, 2019 at 6:48) (Below Threshold)
 And 29 seconds down on the fastest Junior Men's.
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 @TobiasHandcock: What's your point..? She doesn't race against the men & she beat the women's elite by almost 2 seconds!!!
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 @Jaybirdy: she’d beat all the men if she transitioned...
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 @TobiasHandcock: That's a compliment to her not an insult.
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 @acali: yeah, it was meant to be a compliment...but everyone's precious and sees it as in insult lmao.
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 @Jaybirdy: calm your horsed, my point is she's bloody fast lol. Idk why you're all offended, its just an interesting stat that she's 29 seconds off both times.
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 Amaury Pierron is such an animal...cmon snowshoe! I can see him being so motivated, and having another huge win there.

The Frenchies are so good, when does Gwin get back and get healthy?

Also, Danny Hart just seemed a bit off the pace, shame I was hoping he could go one or two...

And Greg Minnaar, what is there left to say. Pierron was pushing hard, and Greg looked like he was cruising by comparison....GOAT
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 Minnar was smooth, he sorta seemed surprised Pieron beat him. I think he's used to winning when he has that good of a run. Pieron did that bridge section like he was just along for the ride on his big wheels and barely able to hold on he was going so fast. Watching the fast guys the last few races makes me think we've never seen this speed before in downhill.
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 Also psyched to see Flo Payet in the top 10. Always rooted for him and dig his style
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 @Laymo: That was my thought too - the look that Minaar shot the podium just after he saw the board was a real "dude come on" moment
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 Seth Sherlock!! So stoked for this kid to be on the top spot in juniors!!! He's been working hard and deserves it. Kid used to come skate my mini ramp when he was 3. They grow up so fast...
  • 22 1
 Great to see Neko at 12th! Hoping that builds some momentum into the North American races.
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 WNC well represented with Neko and Luca up there! Cool to see!
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 Greg looked so smooth out there while everyone else looked like they were riding away from a bear lol
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 I keep thinking that "look I'm sure Weatherly is a nice person"... but then I think about how even if she's technically allowed to compete it's clearly the wrong thing to do.

The other girls are clearly against it, but if they speak out then they're branded as bigots.

Frankly I see it as a indulgence on Kate's behalf and it's actually putting me off watching the women's race at all. We've already seen girls not turn up to race in NZ as a result of Kate racing.

Having spoken to Kate even she agrees that if other men changed across and met the guidelines then it would be unfair. Very hypocritical.

Read up a bit about what Shania Rawson had to say about it.
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flag mbikes1 (Aug 10, 2019 at 23:05) (Below Threshold)
 Any evidence for any of that?

Just to start, this year was the biggest womens elite field at Nationals in a while
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 @mbikes1: Yep. Just Google her and you'll find plenty.

I'm happy to share my chats with Kate too if that's what you want. This hypocrisy needs to be called out.

Re race turn out: That's not what I've read - and can you blame them? She won by a huge margin.

She has no right taking places away from biological women. It's just unfair and the fact she'd rather be unfair to her competitors just to indulge herself is absolutely being a poor sports person.

It's an even worse situation than Caster Semenya. What ever happened to a fair go.
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 I'd also just like to say that I think we as a community probably need to be more accepting of transgender people in sport, but we also need to defend the integrity and rights of female sport being fair.
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flag mbikes1 (Aug 11, 2019 at 0:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Larkey1: I've seen the parents of 3 different athletes critisize her, 2 of whom have some official capacity within UCI and no punishment to any of them, so "afraid of consequences" is a smoke screen for "most don't care". I've seen one athlete critisize her and she had most of the information wrong. I've also seen elite women's athletes posting here in the comments supporting her, and seen a local women's mtb club supporting her.

Does she know you were talking to her just so you could sh*t talk her on Pinkbike? That's pretty weird dude.

Race turn out is not really something you can speculate on, turn out in Nationals women's elite, reverse order from 2019: 5, 5, 3, 2. Big winning margin, is irrelevant because there is such a small field, between 1st and 2nd at crankworks there was 8 riders between them.

She does have a right to be racing in the womens elite category, because that's what the rules say, simple as that. If you've got a problem it should be with UCI who set the rules, not individual athletes.

Caster Semenya is intersex not transgender, that is a completely different issues.

I suggest you have a good hard think and decide whether you problem is that there exists an unfair advantage that you can substantiate, or if you just have a problem that she's trans gender.
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 @Larkey1: I’m all for accepting people as they are (to a degree) but I think people need to ask themselves one pertinent question. Given that this situation is driven by elite intellectuals, law makers and politicians, and given how downright ruthless, corrupt and inconsiderate they have all been, do people really think this situation is about compassion for a minuscule fraction of society?

Let’s be real about this people.. the state DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS unless it serves them directly or indirectly through an agenda. We have seen this over and over for vast swathes of the populous, so let’s not start thinking ‘oh the state really cares about 0.0125% of the people’ (disclaimer: no attempt made to offer factually accurate proportion of transgender people in any given society)
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 @mbikes1: I wasn't talking to her so I could shit talk her on pinkbike. We we're talking because we disagree and discussing the point. She seems like a nice chick, but at the end of the day we still disagree.

I have no issue with her being transgender and I don't like that you are trying to turn my argument so that I look like a bigot.

I only an issue with her taking podium spots away from biological women.

I suggest YOU go have a good hard think about why you feel the need to defend her actions when all she's doing is taking credibility away from female racing.

Caster shouldn't be running against biological females, just like Kate.

It seems that SJW's will defend anything they see as female - even if it is detrimental to other female athletes right to fair competition.
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flag mbikes1 (Aug 11, 2019 at 3:54) (Below Threshold)
 @Larkey1: I suggest you go educate yourself about Kates situation, given her specific situation I do not believe she has a physical advantage over the rest of the womens field, and part of the process with CNZ/UCI is proving that.

Kate should be racing in the womens class because that is what the rules say.

Caster Semenya is a different issue, born intersex, the IAAF ruling is messy, and you seem pretty ignorant on the topic.

Nice whinge about "SJWs", would you like an emotional support dog to help you get through my comments?
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 @mbikes1: Im amused that you're trying to make this personal. Instead of remarks about support dogs you should stick to the facts.

I don't care what you "believe".

I have done my reading on this.

UCI only let her race because they are afraid of the backlash of people like yourself.

She clearly does have an advantage over the majority of females and therefore the UCI should step in and change the rules.

I'll leave you with a direct quote from Kate.
"Yeah I do wanna say I’m not for all trans women competing, maybe only those who transition before or during puberty as I do see why people have concerns about that hand ball player, she is huge... but yeah I think a case by case system works (as we have here in NZ I had to demonstrate it was fair for me to compete before I got with a bunch of tests) and in fairness I might not get paid like a pro but I train almost full time and race world cups while the girls I raced aren’t even close to my training level or skill, just look at Crankworx Rotorua last year, I got my ass handed to me haha. Thanks for being civil I appreciate it, I’m just trying to present what I feel is the facts, but I agree it may not be fair for everyone but I’m also not advocating for a blanket rule as is the current case with the IOC"

She seems like someone who's put up with a lot and I feel for her but you can't have your cake and eat it.
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 @Larkey1: I won't weigh in with an opinion on whether it's all right or wrong. To make it easier for people to learn a bit more about the situation they may want to read this;

interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/03/a-level-playing-field
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flag mbikes1 (Aug 11, 2019 at 16:15) (Below Threshold)
 @Larkey1: You started with the name calling not me.

I also don't care what you believe, I care what the UCI rules are, and if she meets them, which she does.

UCI let her race because she has proved she does not have an unfair advantage.

I think you should do a bit more reading, because you sound like you don't know what you are talking about.
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 @Onetrickpony:

Your link isn't working - however I'd read that one previously.
I think it's a pretty one-sided article.

Here's a different view from the same website. i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/114806485/have-we-reached-peak-lunacy
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 @Onetrickpony:
Yeah I think that particular article is fairly biased. Link isn't working but can be found on Google.

The results at the NZ national champs speak for themselves and now several podiums.

RIP female competition.
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 @FairGoFalcon:

Thanks, I hadn't read that article. It's always good to get more perspective, especially an opinion piece from a sports writer Smile Overall the Stuff.co website is hardly a bastion of fine journalism. The article in the link that I posted at least has some numbers and life backstory, even if it could be read as 'one sided'. All I was trying to do was to post a link to get people reading rather than spouting off emotionally as elsewhere in the thread.

The Otago Uni study no doubt has merit, and as @Larkey1 points out, the race results speak for themselves.
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 @Larkey1: that opinion is from an incontinent old man who has taken a week off from complaining about gays and environmentalists to complain about trans women
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 @Larkey1: can't speak for National Champs, but when I ran the numbers on National Series I noted her winning margins were actually smaller than average for the womens category
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 @mbikes1: you've had personal experiences with his incontinence?

Only a few idiots on this page have an issue with her being transgender and they're best ignored. Arsehole will arsehole at the end of the day.

The rest of us care about the integrity of female sport - which it's clear you're out of touch with.
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 @mbikes1: She won national champs by 16.5 seconds. That's cheating if you ask me.

You're soooooo worried about Kate? Where's your concern for the other athlete's who spend their whole life working towards these races?

Elite Women 2019 Results
1st. Kate Weatherly: 3:07.950
2nd. Shania Rawson: +16.503
3rd. Virginia Armstrong: +19.333
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 Camille in 4th. She’s getting closer!
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 Ha! I see what you did there! Well done.
  • 20 0
 Torn... Amaury is so exciting to watch, but dang Greg... Big Grin
  • 19 0
 Greg Minnar is a bit the Tony Stark of that DH WC, everybody got respect for him! Well done to him today
  • 2 0
 He's as consistent as Ghostface Killer too.
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 I just come here to see how big of a margin Vali won by this week.
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 Fastest Female Rider today!
  • 3 0
 You don't get 2 wins in a row against Vali!
  • 16 0
 SETH SHERLOCK !!!! Was hoping for a top 20 finish and takes the top step, hell yeah dude!
  • 2 0
 Does he move to Men's next year? Top 20? there were only 20 racing, but ya good on him looks like in the mix for the mens next year!
  • 18 2
 Gutted for Camille Balanche not making it on the podium Frown
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 She was the fifth fastest elite woman though.
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 @humoroususername: Well the 4th really, depending on your views.
  • 8 2
 @mcozzy: well she did get on the podium then? I thought you meant she came sixth and was pushed off by Weatherly. But she came fifth anyway so she did make the podium. The girl who came 6th was robbed alright.
  • 13 1
 Daprella is by far the fastest junior but by wanting to over show it, he’s gonna throw his chances for the overall by the window (if it’s not yet the case)
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 Before this weekend he'd won four of six events and was leading by more than 100 points.
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 Thing is that title doesn't hold much value as it as show in the past. Daprela is doing is own race in Juniors but looking at the Elite times. He know quite well that it is the only way if he wants to shine once in Elite when it actually matters.
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 As disheartening as it is there are three top women out on injury, it has unintentionally allowed more women in the field to come out into the spotlight and become even bigger 'rock stars' and more familiar faces to the cameras. Very happy to see it and next season will be even more interesting now with these confidence boosts.
  • 11 0
 Would love to see greg take a few more wins.
  • 1 0
 Having him or Gwin as the next World Champ would be awesome. Or Troy. Or... Yeah, anyone else actually. Let's hope someone win that bloody race and we'll be happy. Ahahah. Incredible season with 9 UCI races this year !
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 @Fooon: me too, he's been close this season
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 Heartbreaking to see how highspeed compression on Loris’ fork being off by one click cost him 4 seconds!
  • 1 0
 How did you come to that conclusion?
  • 1 0
 @wilbersk: He probably had a chat with Jordi Wink
  • 1 0
 I see what you did there. Renember big part of it is just for the show. Every rider is picky about their setup, the syndicate is just milking the fact on social more than others
  • 9 1
 Höll faster than Cabirou, shame there's no live feed for the juniors
  • 8 0
 Seems that a full 27,5 works better that a mullet for Troy Wink
  • 8 1
 They must've got some crazy good Subway in NZ! Well done boys.
  • 1 0
 must be the subways happy gilmore was eating Big Grin
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 Pierron looks a bit like Evel Knievel in that white faux leather kit, rides like him too.
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 "The aim is not to censor conversations or ideas..." Yeah, right.

Just like the prison guards did everything they could to prevent Jeffrey Epstein's "suicide."
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 It's just hilarious seeing how uncomfortable the girls are around "Kate" whenever she's in or near the hot seat.
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 Agreed. That podium photo has some very interesting expressions. I wonder what had just been said.
Caption contest anyone?
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 I don't see why Weatherly is the main focus here, Cabirou is on a run and people want to argue about someone who was 7 seconds back? Thats an eternity in DH racing.
Next year the field will be healthy and she'll be off the podium and probably 10 seconds back every race.
I understand those people arguing that it hurts the girls getting beat by kate, but honestly its not like kate is wrecking people? If they can't beat kate they aren't at the top of the womans field anyway?
I'm not defending kate, I just don't think she is fast enough to be taking away sponsorship from the other women??

I don't think it should be a huge issue unless a truly talented WC level male races the women and smokes the field.
If that were to happen they would win by 30 seconds every week, Then the sport has an issue that must be dealt with.
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 That slide out on the big fast berm by Nina, proper adrenaline moment. Her time will come I'm sure! Great race day.
  • 3 1
 Am I missing something?? People are Saying Vali Holl would of been 3rd in Elite women... She finished with 3:32, top elite female rider was 3:34, so she would have won if she competed against Marine and them correct? ...Unless the times reported aren't accurate or something?...
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 "would have", not "would of" Smile
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 I think the fact that Greg, a 37 year old and that he is on pace with the younger athletes like Loic, who in age is considered at the peak of his athletic performance really give justice to how talented of a rider he is. If Greg was around the age of 25 he would seriously dominate the current field and be an unstoppable force. In my opinion he is the greatest downhiller of all time.
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 I think you might be forgetting that part of Greg’s present success is his vast experience. Granted, what he is doing is incredible, but if he was 25 he would be lacking 12 years of racing knowledge.
  • 3 1
 Cabirou made several mistakes... and still Tracey could not win... crazy .. I guess we are missing the other 3 consistent riders there.. good for Cabirou, wideopen for snowshoe
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 A good baseline time set by Adam Brayton
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 Oh - and immediately beaten by Kade Edwards. As expected in the grease and roots, the Brits off to a good start.
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 What bone head put that gate right in the way of the last drop??
  • 4 1
 Well ppl were going pretty deep as is....not a good idea to have them launching at full pace
  • 3 1
 @LuvAZ: Yup, it's for safety. If there was a straight line into it you'd have another Josh Bryceland situation
  • 5 0
 Stoked for Kirk, 2nd Place Canadian and 27th place!
  • 3 0
 Keeping my eye on Raphaela Richter there! Top 10 in WC DH & her last race was putting in a strong challenge for the win at the EWS.
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 Amaury.....uve done it Shame anout loic this time....but hes still on podium!
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 Getrdone neko
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 Minnaar. Incredible.
  • 1 0
 yep... Beast Mode!
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 Nina Hoffmann needs to talk to Loic regarding the final run issues she's been having, as a matter of fact those young racers at the Syndicate pits are having a hard time finishing at their potential in their final run.
  • 2 0
 Does anybody know whether Daprella is back on 650b? There were some comments on ig indicating so from a picture
  • 7 4
 They need an open category, it just dont seem fair like it is now
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 Amazing win Seth! Fak yeah
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 Does the juniors and elite riders have exactly the same track from start to finnish?
  • 1 0
 Wheres the link for the live following?
  • 1 0
 starts at 630 buddy and 745 for the men
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 @nug12182:
Thanks mate
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 Why is my comment about scientific differences between men and women body is deleted? Science and common sense are not welcome as I see..
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 Your comment appears to still be here. Your scientific/common sense point may be lost however...
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 Anyone have the overall standings?? I can't find them.
  • 1 0
 We have just posted the overall standings here.
  • 1 0
 Has anyone pointed out that chromosomes denote gender, not sex organs?
  • 1 0
 67km/h top speed. Nice
  • 13 16
 Hey Pinkbike censors, please can you explain to me, why you deleting comments?
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 Yep mine was also deleted about Weathearly and the deceptive nature of his identity. Pinkbikes, Ed Spratt, PC- policing the comments deleted me and warned of a suspension if continued comments regarding the physical truth of gender. Fuk you Assholes that think your making the world any better by brainwashing society to except this nonsense. One thing for someone to be so confused with themselves but to make all people except an erroneous thing is messed up and evil.
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 @pinkbike, what do I tell my daughters when they grow up, if they want to race? Too bad?
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 "it's OK, like Rachel Atherton, Vali Holl will sometimes have an off day or an injury, so you have a chance of winning something"
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 Ok, get rid of men's/women's divisions then. Just have one class.
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 @mbikes1: i think it’s because this whole thing smells a lot like ‘f*ck it, race in whichever category you like’. Obviously we won’t ever (massively unlikely) see a woman transition to racing with the men at high level.. so really this whole thing is to protect the rights of women. I find it fascinating that the left are all about promoting the value of women, whilst singlehandedly wiping out all female value by suggesting anyone can be one. #mentalgymnastics
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 @tobiusmaximum: it's not race which ever category you like, go read the rules
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 @mbikes1: I don’t think I’m alone if I say until the rules have respect for the riders, I have no respect for the rules.
  • 33 36
 that kate weatherly has a very strong looking physique for a girl
  • 11 18
flag mogs (Aug 10, 2019 at 4:15) (Below Threshold)
 As compared to your womanly man figure?
  • 11 17
flag Brklss (Aug 10, 2019 at 4:16) (Below Threshold)
 Fuck off you neckbeard.
  • 21 13
 There is no longer such a thing as boy or girl dude. We are all the same according the IOC, UCI et al.
  • 27 14
 @Imabigboy82: the further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. (i didn't come up with that)
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 @tobiusmaximum: 100% dude, its unfortunate that so many on this forum have decided to disregard truth, science, fact. Science doesnt have feelings.
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 @Imabigboy82: interesting though that there is rarely a solid rebuttal, just hurt feelings and shit-slinging retaliation. as displayed by our colleagues above.
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 @tobiusmaximum: indeed, instant aggression from the supposed accepting left... what a surprise.
  • 9 16
flag xyloter (Aug 10, 2019 at 6:31) (Below Threshold)
 And you mate, seem to have a very informed opinion on women's physiques... for a virgin
  • 9 4
 @Imabigboy82: see above... leave the bait out and they just keep proving themselves.
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 @tobiusmaximum: thefederalist.com/2019/08/08/study-transgender-male-athletes-keep-physical-advantages-even-female-hormone-injections

Good article there on how we are all witnessing unfairness personified but the UCI just allows it in case the PC Nazis give them grief.
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flag likeittacky (Aug 10, 2019 at 15:27) (Below Threshold)
 @tobiusmaximum: Yep mine was also deleted about Weathearly and the deceptive nature of his identity.
Pinkbikes, Ed Spratt, PC- policing the comments deleted me and warned of a suspension if continued comments regarding the physical truth of gender.

Fuk you a*sholes that think your making the world any better by brainwashing society to except this nonsense.

One thing for someone to be so confused with themselves but to make all people except an erroneous thing is messed up and evil.
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 @likeittacky: you "misgendered" someone by correctly stating their gender, thats hate speech and violates PB terms of use.

Now my comment will look weird when it gets orphaned because yours will be deleted.
  • 10 8
 @likeittacky: don't let the door hit you on the way out
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 @hamncheez: Must watch; Ben Shapiro in a beat down facts political discussion about being forced to comply.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4
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 @humoroususername: I recommend spending the 37 bucks reading the actual study at bmj.com, and not the article which makes statements not necessarily congruent to the study's conclusions. (Or, at least read the free 1 paragraph abstract of the study, in particular the final statement which at least contains a constructive suggestion to approach this issue.)

Also, throwing insults left and right about political stances or ideologies loosely associated with acceptance of transgender athletes competing is not a good basis for a dialogue. If you feel outraged, because you feel that your opinion is being suppressed, please consider that maybe it's because of the tone in which you are presenting said opinion.
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 @Lankycrank: I read the extract... Can't really see your point. It states that what is happening right now is clearly unfair and that transgender females have a clear advantage against women.
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 @likeittacky: whilst I wouldn’t trust Shapiro particularly.. it is interesting that when the chips are down the left resort to ambulance threats.
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