Final Results: Lenzerheide World Cup DH 2019
The results are in from a day of incredible racing in Lenzerheide. Amaury Pierron laid down a wild run today that saw him take his third win of the season and puts him within a hundred points of Loic Bruni. Greg Minnaar came closest to the fast Frenchman with a fast bottom half of the track that drew him within a second of Pierron. Current series leader Loic Bruni couldn't take the win today but he secured a strong finish in third. Troy Brosnan was the only other rider to get within three seconds of the fastest time and he will be glad to be leaving Lenzerheide with a podium finish. The final step of today's Elite Men's podium goes to Danny Hart who will be looking for more at World Champs and the final World Cup in Snowshoe.
In the Elite Women's race, Marine Cabirou laid down an incredible run in the greasy conditions to secure her second Elite Wolrd Cup win just a week after her first in Val di Sole. Second place would go to Tracey Hannah who could have secured the overall today but will instead carry on the fight with Cabirou at the final round in Snowshoe. Third place goes to Swiss rider Emilie Siegenthaler who had a return to form today going seven seconds back from the top two women. Kate Weatherly came down the hill early but still manages a top-five finish in fourth and Camille Balanche made it two Swiss riders in the top five crossing the line 7.649 seconds back from Cabirou.
The Junior racing saw Vali Höll dominate once again with a breathtaking 29 second lead over Anna Newkirk, her move to the Elites next year is going to be interesting to watch. In the men's Canadian Seth Sherlock just beat Jonosch Klaus to the top spot for his first World Cup win.
Elite Men
1st. Amaury Pierron: 2:49.422
2nd. Greg Minnaar: +0.951
3rd. Loic Bruni: +1.400
4th. Troy Brosnan: +2.160
5th. Danny Hart: +3.222
6th. Laurie Greenland: +4.266
7th. Dean Lucas: +4.551
8th. Loris Vergier: +4.863
9th. Reece Wilson: +6.216
10th. Florent Payet: +6.824
Elite Women
1st. Marine Cabirou: 3:34.304
2nd. Tracey Hannah: +0.264
3rd. Emilie Siegenthaler: +7.085
4th. Kate Weatherly: +7.478
5th. Camille Balanche: +7.649
6th. Eleonora Farina: +8.494
7th. Monika Hrastnik: +9.340
8th. Raphaela Richter: +9.832
9th. Veronika Widmann: +10.155
10th. Sian A'Hern: +14.224
Junior Men
1st. Seth Sherlock: 3:03.829
2nd. Janosch Klaus: +0.462
3rd. Tuhoto-Ariki Pene: +1.250
4th. Elliot Jamieson: +2.050
5th. Kye A'Hern: +2.138
Junior Women
1st. Vali Höll: 3:32.660
2nd. Nastasia Gimenez: +29.681
3rd. Anna Newkirk: +31.108
4th. Lauryne Chappaz: +33.685
5th. Tea Jensen: +56.655
Full Results:
Elite Men
Elite Women
Junior Men
Junior Women
Live Race Updates:
2:00 am PDT: Elite Women will be starting at // 3:30am PDT // 12:30pm CEST // 11:30am BST // 20:30pm AEST // 22:30pm NZST //
3:30 am PDT: Paula Zibasa starts off the Elite Women in Lenzerheide, will we see another new winner today?
3:34 am PDT: Zibasa crosses the line with a time of 4:07.118 this is 42 seconds of Tracey's fastest qualifier yesterday.
3:35 am PDT: Sian A'Hern is coming down early today and goes faster than Zibasa by nearly 19 seconds.
3:36 am PDT: Raphaela Richter goes faster once again with a 3:44.136. Already the women are within 20 seconds of the top qualifying run.
3:37 am PDT: Sandra Rubesam goes into third, over thirteen seconds back.
3:38 am PDT: Swiss rider Carina Cappellari is over five seconds off the place but it is good enough for third at this point in the racing.
3:45 am PDT: European Champions Camille Balanche goes fastest by just over two seconds.
3:46 am PDT: Mariana Salazar goes down coming out of the woods.
3:47 am PDT: Salazar finishes sixth, 18 seconds back from Balanche.
3:48 am PDT: Kate Weatherly is 0.071 back at the third split.
3:49 am PDT: Weatherly goes fastest, taking 0.171 off Balanche and now sits on the hot seat with seven riders left.
3:51 am PDT: Monika Hrastnik just couldn't quite find enough speed on track and goes third.
3:53 am PDT: Eleonora Farina goes red all the way down from split one and takes third.
3:55 am PDT: Emilie Siegenthaler is on a great run but she still goes red at the third split.
3:56 am PDT: Siegenthaler goes across the line first, 0.393 up on Weatherly.
3:59 am PDT: Veronika Widmann is over a second back at the third split after a small mistake in the woods.
4:00 am PDT: Widmann goes into fourth. We are still over 15 seconds back from yesterdays top qualifying time and with the current course condition, it doesn't look like it will be beaten.
4:02 am PDT: Marine Cabirou is on fire, over four seconds in the green at split two!
4:04 am PDT: Cabirou goes fastest by seven seconds despite making a mistake in the woods.
4:06 am PDT: Nina Hoffmann is over two seconds back at the first split, something must have happened at the top of the track.
4:06 am PDT: Hoffmann loses another two seconds in the woods.
4:09 am PDT: Tracey Hannah can no longer take the overall title today.
4:09 am PDT: Hannah is back at split one.
4:10 am PDT: She manages to gain a second by the next split, this is going to be a close race.
4:10 am PDT: By split three she has gained more time, this is a great run from Hannah.
4:11 am PDT: Marine Cabirou takes the win as Tracey Hannah goes 0.264 back.
4:38 am PDT: Adam Brayton currently leads the Elite Men with a time of 3:03.382, this is only 12 seconds off Danny Harts qualifying time in the tough wet conditions.
4:40 am PDT: Kade Edwards masters the greasy track and goes two seconds faster than Brayton and into the hot seat.
4:42 am PDT: Johannes Fischbach loses time all the way down to Edwards and goes into ninth.
4:43 am PDT: Harry Molloy is another British rider placing well in the early stages of finals and crosses the line seventh.
4:44 am PDT: Oliver Zwar comes just ver seven seconds back on Kade Edwards and moves into fifth.
4:45 am PDT: Jack Reading can't quite make it into the top ten so far and currently sits in twelfth.
4:46 am PDT: Canyon Factory Racing rider Magnus Manson starts early today and goes across the line 8.361 back.
4:47 am PDT: Jure Zabjek went green at split three but lost almost a second on the rest of the track to Edwards and now sits in second position.
4:48 am PDT: Polygon UR's Alexandre Fayolle just makes it inside of the top time in eighth.
4:49 am PDT: Faustin Figaret lost a lot of time at split two and continued to lose more as he made his way down the mountain and into seventh place.
4:50 am PDT: Another French rider Gaetan Vige made up time in the third split but it wasn't enough as he finishes over six seconds back.
4:50 am PDT: Rudy Cabirou goes seven seconds back in seventh.
4:51 am PDT: Rafael Gutierrez Villegas loses over six seconds in split four, the conditions on track are looking tough for all the riders today. Let's hope it doesn't get any worse for the last riders down the track.
4:52 am PDT: George Brannigan has a great run that places him fifth so far with around 40 riders left at the top.
4:53 am PDT: Adam Rojcek completes his run nearly nine seconds back in 12th position.
4:54 am PDT: Charly Dipasquale made up a bit of time during the fourth split but it wasn't enough as he goes fourth.
4:56 am PDT: Jack Moir isn't having a great 2019 but he laid down a decent run that currently sits him in fourth place.
4:57 am PDT: Jackson Frew slots into eighth, 5.627 back.
4:58 am PDT: Andreas Kolb crosses the line fifth, Kade Edwards time is looking good so far with only Jure Zabjek getting within a second of the British rider.
4:59 am PDT: Henry Fitzgerald goes 10 seconds off the pace and into 22nd.
5:00 am PDT: Baptiste Pierron goes fastest by just over a second!
5:01 am PDT: Mick Hannah slots into sixth after a run that puts him less than five seconds off the pace.
5:02 am PDT: Lutz Weber was green at split one but lost nearly four seconds on the rest of the track as he goes into fourth position.
5:03 am PDT: Loris Revelli must have had a problem on track, he finishes today with a DNF.
5:04 am PDT: Joe Breeden is coming off a great weekend in Val di Sole last weekend and finishes his run fourth.
5:05 am PDT: Charlie Harrison is way off the place the whole way down the track and goes 11 seconds back into 26th.
5:09 am PDT: Thomas Estaque struggles to find speed after a crash and slots into 24th.
5:10 am PDT: Kirk Mcdowall has a great run and manages to come within three seconds of Pierron.
5:13 am PDT: Joseph Smith carries good speed on track and it shows as he goes fifth.
5:16 am PDT: After a season-best result last weekend Charlie Hatton crosses the line third.
5:16 am PDT: Max Hartenstern makes a big mistake in the new steep section and goes off track.
5:19 am PDT: Alex Marin was green at the first two splits and manages to finish 0.141 seconds off Pierron's time.
5:21 am PDT: Sam Blenkinsop took some interesting line choices but it wasn't enough to move Pierron off the hot seat.
5:23 am PDT: Florent Payet has a flawless run and manages to top Pierron by almost four seconds!
5:24 am PDT: With 21 riders at the top of the course we are now within five seconds of Danny Harts top qualifying time despite the tricky conditions today.
5:26 am PDT: Brook Macdonald looked wild on track but it wasn't fast enough for the top spot and he slots into 2nd place.
5:33 am PDT: Fellow Frenchman Remi Thirion couldn't keep up with the pace of Payet and crosses the line in ninth.
5:36 am PDT: Matt Walker was green at the top of the track but lost a lot of time as he reached the bottom and went into fourth place.
5:39 am PDT: Reece Wilson goes fastest by over half a second!
5:42 am PDT: Gee Atherton had a great run but he never reached the speed of Wilson and goes third.
5:44 am PDT: The Denim Destroyer Johannes Von Klebelsberg was less than a second back at slit one but must have crashed in split two as he is nearly 20 seconds off the pace.
5:48 am PDT: Mark Wallace comes within three seconds of Wilson but it is only good enough for third.
5:50 am PDT: Neko Mulally is within touch of the fastest time at split three.
5:51 am PDT: Mulally finishes two seconds back in third.
5:54 am PDT: Hugo Frixtalon rides inside the top 20, 7.639 off the pace.
5:57 am PDT: A great run from Luca shaw puts him in third with 12 riders left.
5:58 am PDT: Laurie Greenland is up by over half a second at split two!
5:59 am PDT: He extends his lead at the next split, it's now almost a second.
5:59 am PDT: Greenland is nearly two seconds up at the last split.
6:00 am PDT: Laurie Greenland goes fastest after an incredible run, will he make it two wins in a row?
6:05 am PDT: Dean Lucas is over half a second faster than Greenland at split three.
6:06 am PDT: Lucas takes second after losing time at the bottom of the track.
6:08 am PDT: Finn Iles goes off the side of the road gap and has to climb back up to rejoin where he left the track.
6:13 am PDT: Dakotah Norton goes down right before the finish line.
6:15 am PDT: David Trummer is just over two seconds back at split two
6:17 am PDT: Trummer finishes 4.007 seconds back and into seventh.
6:20 am PDT: Loris Vergier exchanged the lead with Greenland the whole way down but couldn't hold his speed at the end and takes third half a second back.
6:22 am PDT: Amaury Pierron is nearly three and a half seconds up at split three!
6:23 am PDT: Amaury goes over four seconds faster and tops Danny Hart's qualifying time.
6:26 am PDT: Greg Minnaar was green at split one but loses over a second by the next split.
6:27 am PDT: Minnaar has an amazing run but it isn't enough to beat Pierron as he goes 0.951 back.
6:30 am PDT: Troy Brosnan Can't match Pierron and Minnaar and slots into third.
6:33 am PDT: Loic Bruni is just over a second back at split three.
6:34 am PDT: Bruni goes third, 1.400 behind Pierron.
6:37 am PDT: Danny Hart goes fifth and Pierron takes another win in 2019.
2:00 am PDT: Elite Women will be starting at // 3:30am PDT // 12:30pm CEST // 11:30am BST // 20:30pm AEST // 22:30pm NZST //
3:30 am PDT: Paula Zibasa starts off the Elite Women in Lenzerheide, will we see another new winner today?
3:34 am PDT: Zibasa crosses the line with a time of 4:07.118 this is 42 seconds of Tracey's fastest qualifier yesterday.
3:35 am PDT: Sian A'Hern is coming down early today and goes faster than Zibasa by nearly 19 seconds.
3:36 am PDT: Raphaela Richter goes faster once again with a 3:44.136. Already the women are within 20 seconds of the top qualifying run.
3:37 am PDT: Sandra Rubesam goes into third, over thirteen seconds back.
3:38 am PDT: Swiss rider Carina Cappellari is over five seconds off the place but it is good enough for third at this point in the racing.
3:45 am PDT: European Champions Camille Balanche goes fastest by just over two seconds.
3:46 am PDT: Mariana Salazar goes down coming out of the woods.
3:47 am PDT: Salazar finishes sixth, 18 seconds back from Balanche.
3:48 am PDT: Kate Weatherly is 0.071 back at the third split.
3:49 am PDT: Weatherly goes fastest, taking 0.171 off Balanche and now sits on the hot seat with seven riders left.
3:51 am PDT: Monika Hrastnik just couldn't quite find enough speed on track and goes third.
3:53 am PDT: Eleonora Farina goes red all the way down from split one and takes third.
3:55 am PDT: Emilie Siegenthaler is on a great run but she still goes red at the third split.
3:56 am PDT: Siegenthaler goes across the line first, 0.393 up on Weatherly.
3:59 am PDT: Veronika Widmann is over a second back at the third split after a small mistake in the woods.
4:00 am PDT: Widmann goes into fourth. We are still over 15 seconds back from yesterdays top qualifying time and with the current course condition, it doesn't look like it will be beaten.
4:02 am PDT: Marine Cabirou is on fire, over four seconds in the green at split two!
4:04 am PDT: Cabirou goes fastest by seven seconds despite making a mistake in the woods.
4:06 am PDT: Nina Hoffmann is over two seconds back at the first split, something must have happened at the top of the track.
4:06 am PDT: Hoffmann loses another two seconds in the woods.
4:09 am PDT: Tracey Hannah can no longer take the overall title today.
4:09 am PDT: Hannah is back at split one.
4:10 am PDT: She manages to gain a second by the next split, this is going to be a close race.
4:10 am PDT: By split three she has gained more time, this is a great run from Hannah.
4:11 am PDT: Marine Cabirou takes the win as Tracey Hannah goes 0.264 back.
4:38 am PDT: Adam Brayton currently leads the Elite Men with a time of 3:03.382, this is only 12 seconds off Danny Harts qualifying time in the tough wet conditions.
4:40 am PDT: Kade Edwards masters the greasy track and goes two seconds faster than Brayton and into the hot seat.
4:42 am PDT: Johannes Fischbach loses time all the way down to Edwards and goes into ninth.
4:43 am PDT: Harry Molloy is another British rider placing well in the early stages of finals and crosses the line seventh.
4:44 am PDT: Oliver Zwar comes just ver seven seconds back on Kade Edwards and moves into fifth.
4:45 am PDT: Jack Reading can't quite make it into the top ten so far and currently sits in twelfth.
4:46 am PDT: Canyon Factory Racing rider Magnus Manson starts early today and goes across the line 8.361 back.
4:47 am PDT: Jure Zabjek went green at split three but lost almost a second on the rest of the track to Edwards and now sits in second position.
4:48 am PDT: Polygon UR's Alexandre Fayolle just makes it inside of the top time in eighth.
4:49 am PDT: Faustin Figaret lost a lot of time at split two and continued to lose more as he made his way down the mountain and into seventh place.
4:50 am PDT: Another French rider Gaetan Vige made up time in the third split but it wasn't enough as he finishes over six seconds back.
4:50 am PDT: Rudy Cabirou goes seven seconds back in seventh.
4:51 am PDT: Rafael Gutierrez Villegas loses over six seconds in split four, the conditions on track are looking tough for all the riders today. Let's hope it doesn't get any worse for the last riders down the track.
4:52 am PDT: George Brannigan has a great run that places him fifth so far with around 40 riders left at the top.
4:53 am PDT: Adam Rojcek completes his run nearly nine seconds back in 12th position.
4:54 am PDT: Charly Dipasquale made up a bit of time during the fourth split but it wasn't enough as he goes fourth.
4:56 am PDT: Jack Moir isn't having a great 2019 but he laid down a decent run that currently sits him in fourth place.
4:57 am PDT: Jackson Frew slots into eighth, 5.627 back.
4:58 am PDT: Andreas Kolb crosses the line fifth, Kade Edwards time is looking good so far with only Jure Zabjek getting within a second of the British rider.
4:59 am PDT: Henry Fitzgerald goes 10 seconds off the pace and into 22nd.
5:00 am PDT: Baptiste Pierron goes fastest by just over a second!
5:01 am PDT: Mick Hannah slots into sixth after a run that puts him less than five seconds off the pace.
5:02 am PDT: Lutz Weber was green at split one but lost nearly four seconds on the rest of the track as he goes into fourth position.
5:03 am PDT: Loris Revelli must have had a problem on track, he finishes today with a DNF.
5:04 am PDT: Joe Breeden is coming off a great weekend in Val di Sole last weekend and finishes his run fourth.
5:05 am PDT: Charlie Harrison is way off the place the whole way down the track and goes 11 seconds back into 26th.
5:09 am PDT: Thomas Estaque struggles to find speed after a crash and slots into 24th.
5:10 am PDT: Kirk Mcdowall has a great run and manages to come within three seconds of Pierron.
5:13 am PDT: Joseph Smith carries good speed on track and it shows as he goes fifth.
5:16 am PDT: After a season-best result last weekend Charlie Hatton crosses the line third.
5:16 am PDT: Max Hartenstern makes a big mistake in the new steep section and goes off track.
5:19 am PDT: Alex Marin was green at the first two splits and manages to finish 0.141 seconds off Pierron's time.
5:21 am PDT: Sam Blenkinsop took some interesting line choices but it wasn't enough to move Pierron off the hot seat.
5:23 am PDT: Florent Payet has a flawless run and manages to top Pierron by almost four seconds!
5:24 am PDT: With 21 riders at the top of the course we are now within five seconds of Danny Harts top qualifying time despite the tricky conditions today.
5:26 am PDT: Brook Macdonald looked wild on track but it wasn't fast enough for the top spot and he slots into 2nd place.
5:33 am PDT: Fellow Frenchman Remi Thirion couldn't keep up with the pace of Payet and crosses the line in ninth.
5:36 am PDT: Matt Walker was green at the top of the track but lost a lot of time as he reached the bottom and went into fourth place.
5:39 am PDT: Reece Wilson goes fastest by over half a second!
5:42 am PDT: Gee Atherton had a great run but he never reached the speed of Wilson and goes third.
5:44 am PDT: The Denim Destroyer Johannes Von Klebelsberg was less than a second back at slit one but must have crashed in split two as he is nearly 20 seconds off the pace.
5:48 am PDT: Mark Wallace comes within three seconds of Wilson but it is only good enough for third.
5:50 am PDT: Neko Mulally is within touch of the fastest time at split three.
5:51 am PDT: Mulally finishes two seconds back in third.
5:54 am PDT: Hugo Frixtalon rides inside the top 20, 7.639 off the pace.
5:57 am PDT: A great run from Luca shaw puts him in third with 12 riders left.
5:58 am PDT: Laurie Greenland is up by over half a second at split two!
5:59 am PDT: He extends his lead at the next split, it's now almost a second.
5:59 am PDT: Greenland is nearly two seconds up at the last split.
6:00 am PDT: Laurie Greenland goes fastest after an incredible run, will he make it two wins in a row?
6:05 am PDT: Dean Lucas is over half a second faster than Greenland at split three.
6:06 am PDT: Lucas takes second after losing time at the bottom of the track.
6:08 am PDT: Finn Iles goes off the side of the road gap and has to climb back up to rejoin where he left the track.
6:13 am PDT: Dakotah Norton goes down right before the finish line.
6:15 am PDT: David Trummer is just over two seconds back at split two
6:17 am PDT: Trummer finishes 4.007 seconds back and into seventh.
6:20 am PDT: Loris Vergier exchanged the lead with Greenland the whole way down but couldn't hold his speed at the end and takes third half a second back.
6:22 am PDT: Amaury Pierron is nearly three and a half seconds up at split three!
6:23 am PDT: Amaury goes over four seconds faster and tops Danny Hart's qualifying time.
6:26 am PDT: Greg Minnaar was green at split one but loses over a second by the next split.
6:27 am PDT: Minnaar has an amazing run but it isn't enough to beat Pierron as he goes 0.951 back.
6:30 am PDT: Troy Brosnan Can't match Pierron and Minnaar and slots into third.
6:33 am PDT: Loic Bruni is just over a second back at split three.
6:34 am PDT: Bruni goes third, 1.400 behind Pierron.
6:37 am PDT: Danny Hart goes fifth and Pierron takes another win in 2019.
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Pretty sure that includes you. I’ll let you off though, I know you’re just parroting mud-pies you’ve heard elsewhere..
With that said, this is not an easy question to answer. I think she should totally be allowed to race (she is following all of the rules) but I can see why some women would not be ok with this. Women have been fighting for moral equality & equal rights as men, etc. all the way down to fighting to be allowed to play the same sports as men and equal prize money as men, and now a biological man enters the women's category to race against biological women. Yes, Kate is on hormone therapy and her testosterone levels are within the UCI's regulations etc. but her biological body type does play to her advantage here and I can see how some of her competitors are not ok with this. Especially in a super small field of competition such as women's downhill and careers are at stake.
thefederalist.com/2019/08/08/study-transgender-male-athletes-keep-physical-advantages-even-female-hormone-injections
the clue is in the name, 'transgender'. i think a lawyer needs to get stuck in to this debacle and have the category aptly renamed 'female and transgender'. because only the truly kool-aid drunk are claiming she is actually female, otherwise she wouldn't be referred to as transgender.
personally i would quite like kate to win a race.. i think it would really bring this ludicrous situation right to the surface.
Go walk up to Kate and tell her yourself that you think she is not a woman. I’m out of here, I feel my brain leeching out with this kind of ilk around here.
@pinkbike you need to look at your own terms and conditions.
1. Its not just a shot of estrogen here and there. The amount of damage done to her body (bone density, tendons, etc) from constant treatment makes her very far away from what men can do. Its brutal and the fact she's willing to go through that to feel like herself, says a lot about her commitment.
2. The best athletes even for the males have physical advantages they are born with. I'm sorry to say but you cannot simply just train a lot and become the best. You need advantages others aren't born with. Michael Phelps for example, has longer than average arms and Lance Armstrong has a larger than average heart and can process lactic acid at a much higher rate than normal.
When you get into it, no one is born at the same level. We all have features we're born with that give us advantages and disadvantages in regards to certain sports and yet, never a peep about those people having a god-given right and they shouldn't compete against those who don't.
This is a much bigger advantage than simply having some single physical attributes. Like, Michael Phelps's big reach isn't the only reason he was the best. Him having testicles played a muh bigger role in him achieving his results than him having a larger than average arm span!
look at it from the perspective of say camille. she lost out on fourth place. is that okay? what if kate had got second? would that be okay? how come you get to make this about just the top riders? shall we not give a shit if the timing system fails, as long as its not for one of the top ten? what about saying its okay to skip through the tape as long as you don't get in the top twenty?
Where's our Clarice?
Also, for those saying its not Kate to blame are not thinking this through. Kate has chosen to compete unfairly against the women, denying potential sponsorships, award money, media coverage, etc. to female athletes. Screw the rules- Kate is knowingly and willfully doing this.
I have only daughters, and I want womens racing to exist for them when they grow up. If the womens field is no longer competitive for women, then no one will watch, no one will sponsor, and no women will be able to compete. I'm thinking about whats best for my little girls.
Lance Armstrong is a cheater.
He had to be to compete with all the other cheaters.
But he will always be one of the most badass guys to ever ride a bike.
Also, the whole enduro vs DH debate depends on 1 1/2 things: first the 1/2 is whether you live close to lift-access trails. This is only 1/2 because you can always shuttle, but thats dependent on what your buddies do- if their schedules match and they like to shuttle, then by all means get the weekend sports car.
#2 is whether you have kids/family or not. I ride the same trails now on my enduro bike that I used to shuttle on my DH bike not because "enduro bikes can ride as well as DH bikes" but because all my rides have to be at 5am before work, so I have to pedal up the trail. After work I have a wife and kids that I need/want to spend time with, so theres no point in my owning a DH bike that would never get ridden.
p.s. an enduro bike probably makes more sense for most people (unless they have a chairlift.) the issue really is whether to be sensible or not!
As to Enduro bikes riding like DH bikes, nah, Enduro bike is as much of a DH bike as Down Country bike can hang out with Enduro bikes. They just can’t. Unless one is a terrible Joey and sucks on DH bike as much as on Enduro. The Enduro racing bike will always need to pedal well and be as light as possible because many Enduro stages involve hard pedaling. I mean stages, not liasons where a locked out DH bike would do. So here’s my latest thought: 180-200 bikes will be the New Big Thing. A quasi DH bike that can climb if necessary. Preferably with dual crown DH fork which has the axle to race of a 180mm 29” single crown fork. The only difference to DH bike will be optimized seat angles (which in case of some DH bikes are already there) and maybe narrower BB Shells and rear ends. Add suspension with lock outs, dropper and well enduro bikes already use DH tyres anyways
The DH trails that I used to shuttle but now climb have 2500+ feet of elevation drop, and I'm not pedaling a 37 pound bike with DD tires up 2500 vertical feet.
I have seen youngsters playing this SJW game, how it develops. They get on an internship and some of them succeed and some of them don’t. And some of them who don’t, get into denial mode, they feel they haven’t been treated fairly. I have personally witnessed an example where a functioning lunatic that didn’t get employed after the internship (because Zee sucked) got so butthurt, it decided to continue with education and wrote an essay in order to be accepted at post graduate studies at social sciences, to become a HR manager... from interior architect to HR manager, at the age of 24, as a result of being disillusioned by a fricking Swedish company, Sweden where everyone is shittin themselves for being called unjust!
So IT wrote an essay describing their traumatic experience (for the record IT was definitely heterosexual) The title of the essay was: “system will always beat a good person”, saying the system of how we value employees must change, where it has given multiple examples of employees of our firm being put down by their closest bosses. Which was pure bollocks since, first of all only one of described individuals has ever expressed feeling oppressed (which was horsesht, person couldn’t put their sht together, given multiple occasions, one situation involving me, giving them responsibility they asked for, then rejected “feeling inadequate for stressful task” which involved calling client, setting up meeting, clearing up one fricking issue, that a teenage intern is capable of). Back to the virtue signalling it. It has basically taken one half arsed, after 4 beers testimony and then chose few examples it has determined were being oppressed. No mention of own case of being oppressed in case someone could ask a few questions which would quickly lead the interviewer to a conclusion that IT is full of crap!
This is the kind of mind that wants to fight for gender rights on a bike site... no, I don’t fight fo myself, I fight for others... and please observe this attitude is present on both sides of the argument here. Oh, I do it for transgender people! VS I fight for the right of women to race fairly!
I agree, the next big thing are freeride bikes again, 180mm travel bikes that can pedal uphill (like my old 2011 Kona Coilair) but its more than just a lockout that makes a bike climb. As much as its unpopular to say around here weight matters.
www.instagram.com/p/By1AzbAltK7
The Frenchies are so good, when does Gwin get back and get healthy?
Also, Danny Hart just seemed a bit off the pace, shame I was hoping he could go one or two...
And Greg Minnaar, what is there left to say. Pierron was pushing hard, and Greg looked like he was cruising by comparison....GOAT
The other girls are clearly against it, but if they speak out then they're branded as bigots.
Frankly I see it as a indulgence on Kate's behalf and it's actually putting me off watching the women's race at all. We've already seen girls not turn up to race in NZ as a result of Kate racing.
Having spoken to Kate even she agrees that if other men changed across and met the guidelines then it would be unfair. Very hypocritical.
Read up a bit about what Shania Rawson had to say about it.
Just to start, this year was the biggest womens elite field at Nationals in a while
I'm happy to share my chats with Kate too if that's what you want. This hypocrisy needs to be called out.
Re race turn out: That's not what I've read - and can you blame them? She won by a huge margin.
She has no right taking places away from biological women. It's just unfair and the fact she'd rather be unfair to her competitors just to indulge herself is absolutely being a poor sports person.
It's an even worse situation than Caster Semenya. What ever happened to a fair go.
Does she know you were talking to her just so you could sh*t talk her on Pinkbike? That's pretty weird dude.
Race turn out is not really something you can speculate on, turn out in Nationals women's elite, reverse order from 2019: 5, 5, 3, 2. Big winning margin, is irrelevant because there is such a small field, between 1st and 2nd at crankworks there was 8 riders between them.
She does have a right to be racing in the womens elite category, because that's what the rules say, simple as that. If you've got a problem it should be with UCI who set the rules, not individual athletes.
Caster Semenya is intersex not transgender, that is a completely different issues.
I suggest you have a good hard think and decide whether you problem is that there exists an unfair advantage that you can substantiate, or if you just have a problem that she's trans gender.
Let’s be real about this people.. the state DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS unless it serves them directly or indirectly through an agenda. We have seen this over and over for vast swathes of the populous, so let’s not start thinking ‘oh the state really cares about 0.0125% of the people’ (disclaimer: no attempt made to offer factually accurate proportion of transgender people in any given society)
I have no issue with her being transgender and I don't like that you are trying to turn my argument so that I look like a bigot.
I only an issue with her taking podium spots away from biological women.
I suggest YOU go have a good hard think about why you feel the need to defend her actions when all she's doing is taking credibility away from female racing.
Caster shouldn't be running against biological females, just like Kate.
It seems that SJW's will defend anything they see as female - even if it is detrimental to other female athletes right to fair competition.
Kate should be racing in the womens class because that is what the rules say.
Caster Semenya is a different issue, born intersex, the IAAF ruling is messy, and you seem pretty ignorant on the topic.
Nice whinge about "SJWs", would you like an emotional support dog to help you get through my comments?
I don't care what you "believe".
I have done my reading on this.
UCI only let her race because they are afraid of the backlash of people like yourself.
She clearly does have an advantage over the majority of females and therefore the UCI should step in and change the rules.
I'll leave you with a direct quote from Kate.
"Yeah I do wanna say I’m not for all trans women competing, maybe only those who transition before or during puberty as I do see why people have concerns about that hand ball player, she is huge... but yeah I think a case by case system works (as we have here in NZ I had to demonstrate it was fair for me to compete before I got with a bunch of tests) and in fairness I might not get paid like a pro but I train almost full time and race world cups while the girls I raced aren’t even close to my training level or skill, just look at Crankworx Rotorua last year, I got my ass handed to me haha. Thanks for being civil I appreciate it, I’m just trying to present what I feel is the facts, but I agree it may not be fair for everyone but I’m also not advocating for a blanket rule as is the current case with the IOC"
She seems like someone who's put up with a lot and I feel for her but you can't have your cake and eat it.
interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/03/a-level-playing-field
I also don't care what you believe, I care what the UCI rules are, and if she meets them, which she does.
UCI let her race because she has proved she does not have an unfair advantage.
I think you should do a bit more reading, because you sound like you don't know what you are talking about.
Your link isn't working - however I'd read that one previously.
I think it's a pretty one-sided article.
Here's a different view from the same website. i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/114806485/have-we-reached-peak-lunacy
Yeah I think that particular article is fairly biased. Link isn't working but can be found on Google.
The results at the NZ national champs speak for themselves and now several podiums.
RIP female competition.
Thanks, I hadn't read that article. It's always good to get more perspective, especially an opinion piece from a sports writer
The Otago Uni study no doubt has merit, and as @Larkey1 points out, the race results speak for themselves.
Only a few idiots on this page have an issue with her being transgender and they're best ignored. Arsehole will arsehole at the end of the day.
The rest of us care about the integrity of female sport - which it's clear you're out of touch with.
You're soooooo worried about Kate? Where's your concern for the other athlete's who spend their whole life working towards these races?
Elite Women 2019 Results
1st. Kate Weatherly: 3:07.950
2nd. Shania Rawson: +16.503
3rd. Virginia Armstrong: +19.333
Just like the prison guards did everything they could to prevent Jeffrey Epstein's "suicide."
Caption contest anyone?
Next year the field will be healthy and she'll be off the podium and probably 10 seconds back every race.
I understand those people arguing that it hurts the girls getting beat by kate, but honestly its not like kate is wrecking people? If they can't beat kate they aren't at the top of the womans field anyway?
I'm not defending kate, I just don't think she is fast enough to be taking away sponsorship from the other women??
I don't think it should be a huge issue unless a truly talented WC level male races the women and smokes the field.
If that were to happen they would win by 30 seconds every week, Then the sport has an issue that must be dealt with.
Thanks mate
Good article there on how we are all witnessing unfairness personified but the UCI just allows it in case the PC Nazis give them grief.
Pinkbikes, Ed Spratt, PC- policing the comments deleted me and warned of a suspension if continued comments regarding the physical truth of gender.
Fuk you a*sholes that think your making the world any better by brainwashing society to except this nonsense.
One thing for someone to be so confused with themselves but to make all people except an erroneous thing is messed up and evil.
Now my comment will look weird when it gets orphaned because yours will be deleted.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4
Also, throwing insults left and right about political stances or ideologies loosely associated with acceptance of transgender athletes competing is not a good basis for a dialogue. If you feel outraged, because you feel that your opinion is being suppressed, please consider that maybe it's because of the tone in which you are presenting said opinion.
As for riding “consistently”, how’s that working out for Brosnan?
BIG, if true
She's strong.
Fair point. I didn’t do my due diligence in looking up the points, so I was wrong about that. I’d just watched it and the way Warner was speaking about it going down the the last race, I’d assumed that it was closer. And you know what they say about people that “assume”.
The fact remains that in the absence of her main three competitors, she should be crushing it, and she’s not.
At any rate, none of this matters, I got off Pinkbike and rode my bike today.
Don't know what to say to that, really.
Tracey is fast, but not always fast enough. But still, to be one of the top five fastest women in the world ain't bad going.
Have the pleasure to ride in the dust of a WC female rider who doesn't often hit top ten and she's silly fast. Props to all those competing
Is it Big Brother or is it Big Sister? Don't want to be accused of "misgendering"...
Pfft.
Pinkbikes, Ed Spratt, PC- policing the comments deleted me and warned of a suspension if continued comments regarding the physical truth of gender.
Fuk you a*sholes that think your making the world any better by brainwashing society to except this nonsense.
One thing for someone to be so confused with themselves but to make all people except an erroneous thing is messed up and evil.