Finals Results - Leogang DH World Cup 2017

Jun 10, 2017
by Pinkbike Staff  
Elite Men

1 // Aaron Gwin
2 // Loris Vergier
3 // Greg Minnaar


Elite Women

1 // Tahnee Seagrave
2 // Tracey Hannah
3 // Myriam Nicole


Junior Men

1 // Finn Iles
2 // Matt Walker
3 // Kade Edwards


Junior Women

1 // Paula Zibasa
2 // Melanie Chappaz
3 // Alessia Missiaggia



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303 Comments
  • 391 14
 Women racing is actually interesting to watch without Rachel.
  • 30 3
 savage Big Grin
  • 33 69
flag Larkey1 (Jun 11, 2017 at 7:50) (Below Threshold)
 Honest. Rachael is good enough that she should just start racing in elite mens.
  • 35 3
 Yup, agreed. like in any competitive sport, when one person dominates, it becomes predictable and boring.
  • 78 6
 @Larkey1: no she's not
  • 34 8
 @Larkey1: she's unfortunately way too good for the rest of the women's field but would be 20-30 seconds back of the elite men. Tough grey area for her to be in.
  • 139 2
 @sooner518: Not really a grey area though is it considering she's a women?
  • 121 8
 @Jack-McLovin: hey this is 2017, woman, man, it's all a grey area ????
  • 8 2
 @Jack-McLovin: I don't know where all those question marks came from and too late to edit
  • 16 24
flag tigerteeuwen (Jun 11, 2017 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 It's interesting, but my recommendation is if you can't watch the racing live watch the woman's race first still... Looks like slow motion compared to the men's times. Was hoping Tracey would take another win...
  • 3 2
 @jts429: obviously not when it comes to racing 20-30 seconds!
  • 28 5
 I knew I was going to get down votes for saying racing that is 30 seconds slower looks slower.... How offensive
  • 6 45
flag EastCoastDHer (Jun 11, 2017 at 10:18) (Below Threshold)
 @cyclo-maniac: You know she got one of the fastest times at Mt. St. Anne,.....Right?

I'd give her a season or two in elite mens before she would really start to dominate, She's at least due proper credit for her strong results - It's clear she is serious about racing.
  • 2 0
 @jts429: sorry for the neg prop, fat fingers.
  • 1 1
 Thought same exact thing when watching
  • 61 4
 Maybe the problem isn't Rachel? Only FOUR girls in Junior women! Maybe the problem is us, as a bike industry and sport, failing to appeal and support young women getting into the sport, which would help bring parity to women's racing.
  • 13 13
 I am shocked, impressed, and stoked that Gwin won despite the 29er ordeal. That man knows exactly what he's doing. So impressive. Anyone else think the 29er movement is going to flake out?
  • 1 0
 @mooseman414: hard to say at the moment, I doubt it will flake out though since it doesn't seem to be a disadvantage so far.
  • 14 1
 @EastCoastDHer: At Mont-Sainte-Anne her time was 4:37. The slowest elite male was 4:31. I don't see how anyone could think she got one of the fastest times or that she could compete against the men.
  • 5 1
 @Ke11ett: people mix her time with the speed trap time up. She had one of the fastest speed traps
  • 2 1
 What scares me is that this lay-off could cost Rachel the WC overall would make her hungrier and train harder than ever before and she'd pull a bigger gap over the field when she does eventually return.
  • 4 2
 Eh, personally I would have loved to see how Tracey's time from the last stop would have stacked up with Rachel's. They're getting really fast so I can't wait for her to come back to be properly challenged.
  • 12 0
 @almacigatrailrider: that's pretty much what happened last time she had a bad season. 2014 she had glandular fever or something and raced anyway, Manon won the series and the World's and everybody hailed the new queen of DH - that wasn't quite right though as 2015 came and Rach blew the shit out of everybody until Fort Bill 2017. She does not f*ck around.
  • 5 7
 RACHEL IN THE JUNIOR MEN CATEGORY thats the same times .... would do it!!
  • 3 0
 @treymotleyDH:
  • 1 3
 @Larkey1: Originality: 0 Manners: 0 Doucheiness: 87+
  • 1 6
flag sevensixtwo (Jun 11, 2017 at 21:33) (Below Threshold)
 @RedBurn: yeah, that's it: have the adult women race young men. That's not an insult at all. I'm guessing you're a fat slow single douche. Quit pinkbike. Thanks.
  • 4 0
 @mooseman414: Gwin won without chain, do you think the chain-thing is gonna flake out? ;-)
  • 2 0
 Those women would school you. @tigerteeuwen:
  • 1 0
 @Larkey1:
  • 1 0
 @Golden-G: doesn't matter if they would school me or not. It still looks slow by comparison.
  • 193 24
 Maybe Nico Vouilloz is the GOAT, maybe Minnaar is. Who knows?

One thing for sure is that Minnaar did more than just talking to the UCI about the last jump. From day one, as the riders representative he complained about the last jump. Very few seemed interested, but Thirion's crash was an eye-opener.

Yesterday after the qualifying session, Minnaar himself took charge of the modification. GOAT or not, I take my hat off to him. I champion of the his like, complains about safety, not wheel-size.

Speaking about wheel-size whiner, Loic Bruni is out due to leg injury. Due to a crash, he has damaged a vein in his leg quite badly.

Not so much of an easy track after all those crashes innit?
  • 9 6
 *A champion of his kind complains about ...

I wasn't fast enough to edit my post, sorry :'(
  • 81 4
 The crashes don‘t necessarily mean the track is hard. At those speeds crashes happen easily and they are more dangerous.
  • 63 19
 Pretty uncool to rejoyce about Bruni being injured mate. You may think he was wrong to talk like he did, but he - as anybody esle - has a right to express his point of view.

I hope he will be alright, he is a great champion too, and even if he was not, it's always a bad thing to see a rider getting injured.

As far as the wheel size debate, it IS a debate, people don't agree with each other... I personally don't give a damn what size my wheels are as long as I have fun on my bike, but ask yourself : is it normal that there is no regulation in MTB worldcup regarding such an important point, whereas there are SO many in road cycling (remember : same federation : UCI).


100% with you concerning Minaar though... hats off mister.
  • 27 8
 @Aprilfisheye: I don't think that anyone -myself included- can only welcome the injury of Loic. That's not what I meant AT ALL. I was just taking the piss at his attitude over the past weeks regarding wheel-size. Maybe my transition was not of your taste. Nevertheless that was just an attempt at cheeky humour mate.

Loic is quite a likeable kid. But he's just a 23yo kid, and his views about the 29ers are what I was mocking.

Healing vibes to everyone Smile
  • 4 0
 @Euskafreez: what modifications did Minnaar make? I can't find info about it online.
  • 1 0
 @Aprilfisheye: road cycling has a lot of rules that are based off of safety, being that your proximity to other riders is so close, totally different then downhill.
  • 20 9
 Minnaar is GOAT. He's taken overall WC seasons from Nico, Peaty, Sam, maybe this year from Gwin. He's at one point or another bested every great of the sport since he started. His ability to be at the top, the very top, over all these years, styles, bikes, generations of riders is astounding.
  • 3 0
 @tigerteeuwen: Then why doesn't the UCI heavily regulate the bikes in XC?

Truthfully UCI has a hard on for regulating road biking because they can get away with it. Mountainbikers and the MB industry has told the UCI from the beginning they don't know what they're doing and to leave it to them, so the UCI has.
  • 30 6
 @TopperharleyPT1: I'd say Gwin has "bested" Minnaar since he came on the scene so does that make Gwin the GOAT? Maybe we could stop with all the GOAT talk and just give the riders credit where credit is due and enjoy seeing them race? The rest is all just opinions.
  • 5 7
 @tigerteeuwen: don't get me wrong : I don't want the UCI to decide what I will be riding next year, I'm just saying it IS weird that there is no regulation regarding wheel size... pretty unusual at this level, for any sport.

If you like it better : what would you think if every player in tennis could choose the size of the ball he plays with ? (You are welcome for all the puns this offers).
  • 5 0
 @Aprilfisheye: There is a regulation that the same wheel size must be used front and rear otherwise I'm confident racers would be experimenting with 29 front/27.5 rear.
  • 2 1
 @teamtoad: word is the uci will be changing this soon due to team pressure. Thats apparently the best combo
  • 2 0
 @teamtoad: interesting, I wondered why people weren't trying that, it would make sense
  • 3 2
 @atrokz: @teamtoad:
A bigger wheel on the front makes perfect sense. That's they have on MX/SX bikes!
  • 16 1
 @atrokz: Like Warren G and Nate Dogg, UCI has to regulate Big Grin
  • 11 1
 @Aprilfisheye: In tennis, the ball is the same for everyone much like the track is the same for all in DH.

Likewise, you can use any racket size that you prefer in Tennis much like you can use any wheelsize in DH.
  • 2 1
 @almacigatrailrider: superb analogy!
  • 2 0
 @almacigatrailrider: There's rules for the rackets of course. As for the wheels - you are not allowed to use different wheel sizes on your bike!
  • 7 3
 @westeast: can't prop this enough. Goat speak is so boring and we sound like a bunch of entrenched football fanboys. Let's enjoy the racing and the fact that we have a solid field of super fast riders right now.
  • 3 1
 @Euskafreez: Rim sizes are different but rolling diameters are pretty much the same in some cases, or the rear only just smaller. The rear tyre has taller sidewalls and wider tread to help in hook up under power, the front is narrower and lighter to cut into dirt and turn in easier.

MTBs don't need to lay down the power, rolling resistance is more important and more traction at the front is preferable.
  • 5 1
 @Euskafreez: do you really want uci to regulate wheel size or whatever on dh?????
Please dont compare this to road cycling. We will ony loose the spirit of the mtb.
  • 3 1
 @donpinpon29: don't you remember the song ? youtu.be/1plPyJdXKIY
  • 1 0
 @Euskafreez: indeed
  • 157 26
 First of all. Congrats to Gwin, Minaar and Vergier. Just shows that if you keep your head down, put in the work and just ride your bike to the limits will get you far.

Now, Hearing PBers whining about wheelsizes and tracks is normal. But seeing a lot of the pros whine about it also is getting too irritating. Hearing someone like Ben Reid say that 29ers are the worst that could happen because WC racing is supposed to be about style and riders being loose is pure BS. WC racing is all about being(or trying to be) the fastest. Period. If people like Ben Reid or Loic Bruno got their way all the time then we'd still be racing in hardtails and V brakes to keep things "stylish and rad". There will be winners and whiners.

Now, you got people complaining about Leogang being billiard table smooth 1 week after hearing them complain about Fort William wood section being too rough is just laughable. You really can't satisfy everyone can you. If Leogang is too easy then you should be blowing Gwin and Minnar our of the water huh.

It's so conforting to see guys like Gwin, Minnar and Hart deliver wins without a word of complaint considering they have the most to lose when thing's aren't perfect. You take what you're given and do the best you can.

Not every track is a Val di Sole. Not every bike will be what you want it to be. Guess what, we live in an imperfect world. Deal with it and ride yiur damn bike.
  • 25 5
 Well said thank you
  • 29 48
flag Blablablup123 (Jun 11, 2017 at 9:35) (Below Threshold)
 @almacigatrailrider "Now, you got people complaining about Leogang being billiard table smooth 1 week after hearing them complain about Fort William wood section being too rough is just laughable. You really can't satisfy everyone can you. If Leogang is too easy then you should be blowing Gwin and Minnar our of the water huh. "
Holy f*ck, you cant be serious. That cant be a serious criticism of the riders opinion, can it? Newsflash: if the track is easy for every "whiner", it will also be easy for Minnaar and Gwin. I know, unbelievable. They all ride the same track!

Minnaar complained about the finish jump and even got the organizers to change it. So is Minnaar now the worst crybaby whiner of them all? Get your pitchforks ready bois!

Next news flash: one section of a track can be too hard/ random and one other can too easy. Holy shit! Unbelievable concept, I know right?!

And being a professional rider means you cant complain, of course dude. Oh wait, Minnaar complained about the track and his bike and organizers and his sponsors listened to him!
  • 25 1
 @Blablablup123: They didn't listen. It took a casualty in Remi for them to heed Gregs advice.
  • 10 3
 @Blablablup123: obviously you know nothing about being a professional by your rant. Minnaar had a concern about the safety of the last jump and probably brought it up with the commissionaire in a professional manner and it was addressed.
  • 34 1
 stop complaining about complainers
  • 8 1
 ...Gwin,Vergier and Minnaar (watch order).
  • 2 7
flag Blablablup123 (Jun 11, 2017 at 12:04) (Below Threshold)
 @browntown40: And what does that change? He still criticized it, and in the end they did listen...
  • 8 1
 @Blablablup123: Easy and safe are not synonymous...lots of riders complained about the track being easy and boring. Minnaar complained about one feature being unsafe, because it clearly was. Took out more than just Remi. Other riders in the hospital as well, including a broken femur.
  • 11 2
 @Blablablup123: Yeah the track is the same for all but did you ever hear Gwin or Minnar whine that it's "too smooth and easy" or "I can ride my hardtail on this". For all we know, a lot of riders probably considered it a tough challenge. Even Gwin made a mistake on his run.

My point is that some riders said the track was too easy while other didn't. So if it was too easy for them, why weren't they winning it? They should put their money where their mouth is and prove that it really was easy.
  • 5 1
 while I agree that those who complain about it being too easy should suck it up and ride their bike, I don't agree with the argument that if it's too easy why aren't they on the podium. I mean I don't enjoy riding Crank it Up because it's too easy, but I sure as hell ain't gonna win any races on it.
  • 5 1
 @lennyandcarl: Let's put it this way, if Aaron Gwin had said the track was too easy before the race and he missed the podium, I'm sure a lot of guys would've given him shit for it.
  • 6 2
 But the top guys are the top guys for a reason - because they have a chance at winning/getting on podium. So it's unlikely they're going to announce pre-race how easy the track is, because that'd take something away from their possible win.
Mistakes can be made anywhere. Doesn't matter how easy the track, when you push your limits it is likely you'll trip up.

Phil makes a good point though. I still loved watching the race at Leogang, don't get me wrong, but why race such a tame track when just an hour away is Schladming - a track notorious for being pretty wild, and one which is more like a downhill track should be.
  • 9 4
 "If Leogang is too easy then you should be blowing Gwin and Minnar our of the water huh."

So, let me ask you this... you can walk right? therefore you can run too, right? running is easy, right?

Then why the f*ck aren't you beating Usain Bolt in the Olympics???
  • 1 0
 @d-man: and pretty coincidentally that commisionaire happens to be david vazquez former wc dh rider
  • 2 0
 @Blablablup123: Point taken, but what @almacigatrailrider is saying very well is that there are two topics that many people seem to complain about endlessly. The sketchiness of one jump that did end up being a dangerous feature (yeah, I now, when you're going that fast all features are in some way or another) is a singular problem with a singular solution. Surely you can agree that one isolated issue raised through direct channels between Minnaar as the riders' representative and race organizers is much different than never ending winge-fest about 29ers or track preferences.
  • 4 1
 I can't wait for someone to show up on a 27.5 Plus and watch all the 29er bois lose their minds about how it's an unfair advantage.
  • 82 17
 When you realise the V10 is the fastest bike on the track not because of the wheel size, but because the VPP link looks like a fidget spinner... Mind=Blown
  • 14 80
flag DragRider (Jun 11, 2017 at 2:28) (Below Threshold)
 how to distinguish morons from the normal people - fidget spinner.... xxl bike with large wheels gains high speed much better than any other....
  • 76 4
 @DragRider: I remember my first weed too.
  • 9 23
flag daweil (Jun 11, 2017 at 3:26) (Below Threshold)
 @spark24 Comment of the year
  • 26 0
 Im here at amsterdam now and i therefore conclude thet their city bikes has a downhill feel to it. And yes....im stoned
  • 49 4
 your mind is blown because the v 10 29" works bike got beat by a 27.5 inch production bike?
  • 16 2
 @stacykohut: win on sunday, sell on monday Smile
  • 18 21
 @stacykohut - V10 is also a production bike. I would love to see cut outs of both V10 and Tues and then fatigue tests on both. In the old times, you could see two aluminium frames, like V10.2 and Kona Stab, and you could see straight away which one is sht. You could off course also take an Intense M6 and loosen the bolts and see how swingarm goes out of alignment, or check the seat mast already before you unsrew the bolts and see it leans one way... But the point being, these days it is hard to tell whether you get something more for the money since geometries across all companies are dialed and components are identical. Judging by cut out of Trek Madone 9.9, the top roadie frame from Trek, there is little hope and you have to back up your money spending with lots of pre purchase affirmation and even more post purchase rationalization. And always be ready to paste in the line "but the warranty service is top notch" as lots of ENVE clients use to say.
  • 3 11
flag pigit77 (Jun 11, 2017 at 13:04) (Below Threshold)
 @stacykohut: pretty stupid comment. It's not relevant to what DH racing is about
  • 3 3
 Haahahahahagaha
  • 1 0
 This was so stupid that I had to upvote it...
  • 4 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Ive seen several carbon v10s (and a few other brands that copy the design) snap on the downtube like this:

ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb12400460/p5pb12400460.jpg

Its not because of the carbon layup, but rather that the front triangle is missing the back half of the triangle. The downtube is not reinforced by any other structure, and takes the stress of the BB, rear swingarm, and shock mount.
  • 1 2
 @hamncheez - whoooooooow. I'd never in my wildest dreams...
  • 62 0
 Where the hell did that wizard pull an extra 1.435 seconds from?
  • 44 5
 his heart.
  • 58 68
flag vroomvroompartystarter (Jun 11, 2017 at 7:44) (Below Threshold)
 Jesus gave it to him.
  • 13 3
 the other bois chains
  • 44 1
 Amazing really is, when Loris pulled almost 2 seconds everyone here thought he had it in the bag. Then Minnar down, seemed to confirm it, then Gwin and pulls almost another 2 on Loris. He is amazing no question.
  • 43 15
 @vroomvroompartystarter: hate of Christianity is real on Pinkbike
  • 60 48
 @leftCoastBurn: strange how Christianity is hated by the political left, yet Islam is almost outright supported by them. I could go into the reasons why it's inane.. But I'm sure my comment will be neg propped enough as is lol
  • 45 21
 @therealtylerdurden: agree 100%. I'm not even a Christian but just as an outside observer I simply can't understand the political left constantly hating Christianity, while constantly defending Islam which is diametrically opposed to everything the left claims to stand for. But, like you said you can't put together a logical political argument on pinkbike without getting neg propped to death so why even bother trying...
  • 16 15
 @leftCoastBurn: Exactly. The strangest part about it is, they don't even care about principle anymore, all they care about is doing the exact opposite of conservatives. It's just weird.

I actually started a forum thread for politics last year if you're interested. It's a pretty good group, with those on both ends of the political spectrum jousting and shit. Haha
  • 7 0
 It's simple , he doesn't use his brakes where others do .
  • 51 16
 @therealtylerdurden: Most of those on the left (myself included) don't "hate" Christianity, it just seems that moreso than any other religion in the US Christians, mostly evangelicals, have a hard on for enforcing their version of morality on others. Things like restricting abortion access, interfering with teaching science in schools, maintaining the war on drugs, denying civil rights to gay and trans people etc. All of these things are policies that I disagree with, and it is often Christians leading the charge on these issues. Saying "Christianity is hated by the political left" is a big overstatement. I don't hate christians, I hate when they try to enact policies with their reasoning being "because the bible said so."
  • 9 2
 Right on. Rather than getting up in arms telling each other what's wrong with the others beliefs, I'm going to wish you a good day. Happy trails!
  • 9 0
 @flyingfox49: I think it was about 2010/11 when Martin Whitely said of Gwin "it's like death by 1000 paper cuts, nothing he does is incredible compared to anybody else, but everything he does is very slightly better"
I'd have probably said it differently "Gwin is just f*cking incredible"
  • 11 20
flag SlodownU (Jun 11, 2017 at 14:26) (Below Threshold)
 @BullMooose: Right dude, because the LBGT are really sufferring by being denied rights. Like ANYONE is denied rights. If you want an abortion, you can get one. War on drugs, what is this 1991? Pot will be 50 states legal in the next 10 years. And every public school teaches science, every major College, has a hard-core biotech program.
  • 15 12
 @BullMooose: fair point for sure, but you basically backed up what I'm saying. You are upset because you feel like Christians in the US are trying to impose on you, "because the Bible says so." Look at what is done in most Muslim countries, "Because the Koran says so." Most Muslims believe you accept the Koran as law or you deserve to die -- and they enforce it quite effectively. Here in America your biggest fear is what, you can't get gay married or get free abortions? Yet, not a peep from the left about radical Islam, just everyone who questions anything​ regarding Islam is a racist backwoods islamaohobic biggot. There's a term for this, it's called cognitive dissonance, and the left has a serious case. Do you see what I'm getting at? Perspective is important. Maybe step back once in a while, and realize how good you actually have it here in the US. By the way, I likely agree with you on all the social issues you mentions. I just think we need to be fair when applying criticism..
  • 5 7
 @leftCoastBurn: yes, it is sad !
  • 19 16
 There's no place for religion in civilised society. It's 2017 we know all that stuff is made up and we shouldn't be told what's right or wrong and what we should or shouldn't do by people who still believe in the tooth fairy.
  • 14 6
 @leftCoastBurn: Hang on a second there tiger, he never said he supported Islam. There are plenty of people who are tired of irrational bullsh*t no matter where it is spewing from.
  • 1 1
 @pimpin-gimp: very slightly better?
  • 2 9
flag therealtylerdurden (Jun 11, 2017 at 16:45) (Below Threshold)
 @LuvAZ: he never said he did, nor did I. What I said was that Democrats as a whole, represented by their affiliate politicians and liberally biased media, have.
  • 15 12
 Islam Christianity are both as bad as each other. You need to leave the fairytales behind and get with the times.
  • 13 1
 @SlodownU: I notice you live in New Jersey. Based on a cursory google search, New Jersey has 23 abortion clinics. Thanks to the Texas state legislature Texas has 10 clinics. For the whole state. Abortion may be technically legal, but don't act like the right has been foaming at the mouth to defund every abortion clinic in sight, if many of these legislators had their way abortion would not be legal. The same goes for Gay rights. If you left it to the states I guarantee that hard red states (mostly the deep south) would never legalize it. I would bet you are a bit insulated from these issues living in a more moderate state. As far as marijuana goes, you can claim that it will be legal in the future. That is probably true, but once again that is expressely against the wishes of the kind of right wing evangelicals I am talking about. medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881 There are many states that don't even have MEDICAL marijuana available. www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/education/2015/12/evolutionschools This is not a bad source about the current state of evolution in schools, note when I'm saying public high school, of course universities don't teach creationism because there's no research money in teaching nonsense. But once again evolution in school is expressly against the wishes of the evangelical right. Just because you enjoy these freedoms doesn't mean that everyone in the country does.
  • 4 5
 @BullMooose: Are you arguing that people who think abortion is murder should be forced to fund abortions? If you're whole beef with "evangelicals" is that they want to force their views on others then don't do the same. Many on the left are all too willing to force their views on others, just like many on the right are willing to do. Lot's of hypocrisy on both sides unfortunately.
  • 8 3
 @therealtylerdurden: Democrats are not the left. Please do not lump those right wing lunatics in with real leftists.
  • 4 2
 @westeast: Wait... Tell me how much public federal funding is received for abortions? Oh yeah, NONE. It's all private.

Not that I think responding to this comment is even rational - the entire point of public funding in to collect capital from the general population to enact a legislative agenda that they don't directly supervise. Plenty of government dollars are spent in ways I don't support, but I don't cry about it and try to circumvent federal authority at every turn. Know why? 'Cause all in all I think I've still got it pretty good.
  • 1 1
 @sspiff: So if you "have it pretty good" you should just be ok with everything else the government does? How about bombing countries endlessly, locking up people with no just cause, handing out billions dollars to politically connected groups (big banks, military industrial complex, pharmaceutical companies, etc.), forcing people to fund things they find morally wrong, like abortions, contraceptives (you really approve of forcing some old nun to pay for your girlfriends pills???), non-defensive wars, etc.... I guess all of us in affluent countries should just go for a bike ride while our governments do all sorts of bad stuff, because to disagree with it is to "cry" and "circumvent federal authority at every turn"???

Also, money is fungible so simply saying "you can't use this money we're giving you to do such and such" doesn't actually work. Money goes to planned parenthood with the * of not being for abortions, but all it does is free up other cash for abortions. To deny this is simply ignorance.
  • 3 3
 @BullMooose: I hate conversations like this but from my observation, it looks like you think Christians are the only people who try and "force" their opinion on someone. But that's how opinions work, you believe something and you voice it. Christians don't try and enforce their belief anymore than someone on pinkbike trying to convince people that 29er bikes are a scam in DH racing
  • 17 4
 Mericans bringing their f*cked up politics into the PB comment section... You guy's were talking about sending people on the moon back in the 60's, now all you argue about is abortions, gay rights and some books full of bollocks.... what happened in 70 years???
  • 6 0
 @Ride12: I'm still over trying to figure out how this whole tangent stemmed from me making the comment that Aaron Gwinn is a wizard lol
  • 6 0
 man a perfectly good comment about Gwin had to be ruined by bringing politics into it. I want to talk about how he slayed the field on a 3:00 track!
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: Pinkbike happened
  • 2 0
 @h-beck83: yeah,very slightly better, hi she manager was saying how people were always looking for a section where Gwin went 1.5- 2.5 seconds faster than everybody but it didn't exist, he was just fractionally better everywhere. I mean obviously there will be days where he'll be behind and then jump in front, but when he was out there winning everything he was just a little better than everybody at everything. I'll try to find the interview with Whitely for you. Nobody knows him better than his manager.
  • 1 0
 @h-beck83: I think this is the one m.pinkbike.com/news/How-is-Aaron-Gwin-so-fast.html
  • 3 0
 @Ride12: actually it was a super tolerant Canadian that went for the low blow about Gwin's religion that kicked the whole thing off -- maybe just leave the guys religion alone?? Last time I checked he wasn't trying to force it on anyone.
  • 3 0
 @pimpin-gimp: no no no, we cannot settle it just like that. Football proves that the absolute best part about every single sport is not the actual exercise, it is not even the church like congregation of people called fans, the best bit is speculating what made a team or a guy win. I guess we all know that Greg won in Fort William, he was on 29" wheels and the track suited him (excuse me, why does it suit him? - shut the fk up, it suits him!!!) If we don't establish what made Gwin win yesterday the sun will not come up. This question should be of highest importance to every mountain biker on the planet. Thank you for bringing the opinion of his manager to the table.

I personally wish to say that when I see a panel of experts talking before and after a match, at first I am losing will to live and then it changes into I want to kill every single person in the world who finds it interesting.

So if someone asks me how Gwin did it I say: Fock you, Jesus did it! Because it is too hard for folks to comprehend that he is one of the 3 fastest dudes out there by dialing his skill, training and his mental game, and when one of these 3 race there is a high chance one of them will win. So fock you, Jesus did it
  • 55 0
 Live stream working perfectly, good food and good company, and a bloody tight race! What a great night! Bad luck Tracey, and well done Tahnee!
  • 29 0
 This is the first time I have ever watched a redbull mtb stream without having to reload it... a whole host of firsts going down today haha
  • 9 0
 @CONomad: Agreed. This is the first smooth airing this season. Congrats Redbull.
  • 3 1
 Not perfect. Mine defaulted to the German comentary on my Samsung TV... Could only get English through my AppleTV. Otherwise it was the best stream yet... Loved the new stats
  • 2 0
 @T1mb0: If you have virgin media, they show it live on the bike tv channel.
  • 1 0
 Props to Red Bull TV. The app worked like a charm. Nothing beats watching a WC race while waiting on the wife while she's shopping and fitting.
  • 1 0
 @doe222: oh yeah I forgot that.
Nice one
  • 1 0
 @doe222: also live on sky tv bike channel 464
  • 1 0
 I watched the replay and they didn't show the women's race, did they show it on the live stream?
  • 1 0
 @charmingbob: In the replay they break the men's and women's into two separate links. You must have missed the link for the women's races when you clicked on the men's.
  • 1 0
 @charmingbob: yes in the uk they did, it was at 12pm uk time
  • 3 0
 That was the best race coverage Ive ever seen. Great commentary, the info graphics worked, all the camera angles showed cool stuff, and a decent amount of track. That was superb. My only complaint is I was hoping Vergier would take his first win, but he's super humble about it, so congrats to the whole podium.
  • 55 6
 GWIN!!!!! Pinkbike's prediction guy is officially a dick
  • 15 2
 has he ever nailed it? besides rachel on the women he doesn't seem to good at predictions
  • 6 11
flag RedBurn (Jun 11, 2017 at 12:24) (Below Threshold)
 must be hard for him to realize he's such untalented... Hope he will stop, nobody even cares what he thinks.
  • 2 3
 unfortunately for us he probably still gets load of free bike stuff, even though he never gets his predictions right.
  • 6 0
 @RedBurn: @RedBurn: Why is he a dick for getting it wrong? And also these things are mad hard to predict, there are several thousand comments in the prediction thread, most of whom also got it wrong. Predicting is fun, and hard. Ya'll are quite spiteful for no reason
  • 3 3
 @LavenderGooms: why have a section were a guy tries to predict the results when he is utter shit at it?
  • 2 0
 @LavenderGooms: He predicted Minaar would take it on a track that Minaar has won 6 times, although not consecutively (which is a rational prediction). Somehow he did not predict Gwin would win on a track that he has now won 3 times consecutively, the last time without a chain.

Not sure what numbers he was looking at to make that prediction.
  • 1 1
 @LavenderGooms: why should his predictions be more important than all the pinkbikers predictions ??? Predictions should be based on a poll @pinkbikeproduction , take note ! End of the story.
  • 3 0
 @WaterBear: Possibly focused on the number 29?
  • 2 1
 @JoseBravo: 4/8 last year. 2017 is still young...
  • 1 0
 @paulaston: 4/8 what? Rachel wins?
  • 40 1
 Better call it Gwinogang.
  • 11 2
 they re thinking about it
  • 64 0
 Leogwin?
  • 39 4
 Chuck Norris knows he can't beat Gwin with a chain
  • 4 0
 Or a bamboo stick.
  • 40 6
 Bernard Kerr running away from the Repomen!
  • 31 0
 I'm so sorry that Rachel Atherton were not able to compete today but on the other hand I'm so proud of Tahnée Seagraves first ever World Cup Win! Good Red Bull Stream Covarage - what a day!
  • 25 0
 I can't lie! REDBULL kinda killed it this broadcast. Coverage was legit. I hope the whiners give them some props for trying to do better. And so Juiced for USA and 27.5! Turns out the most boring track made for the best racing to spectate! Already knew that tho, thats typical in racing. Let the racers duke it out, not a mud bog, not a wheel size, just pure tight close racing showing who had the speed and skill to win on that given day, regardless if it wasn't gnar
  • 2 0
 100% agreed.
  • 25 1
 2014 Tireless
2015 Chainless
2016 Youngless (talent)
2017 Ruthless
#Gwin4theWin
  • 19 0
 2013 Brakeless
  • 26 1
 just like a bamboo stick
  • 25 2
 27.5 won
  • 23 3
 Greg Minnaar - the riders representative

Is there anything that guy isn't great at !!!!???
  • 116 2
 Menstruation.
  • 13 4
 Being a poser.
  • 19 1
 " Now is anyone of you here named EY EY RON??" - teacher
  • 17 1
 congrats to Gwin! - too bad here in the US he still doesn't receive the national recognition he deserves given how mtb is still a niche sport here.
  • 16 0
 Get used to it, we in the U.K. Have to put up with retard soccer players taking accolade after accolade for not f*cking their friends wives or something and yet some of the most successful riders on the planet in Peaty, Gee and Rach and Hart get nothing of a mention. It's balls.
  • 15 1
 Stoked to see Latvian rider Paula Zibasa taking win in Junior Women !
  • 4 0
 Good week for Latvia with Zibasa in mtb and Ostapenko in tennis!
  • 2 2
 @BullMooose: +2
  • 15 3
 big win for gwin and 27.5, made it despite few mistakes and wheel size, hopefully he'll take over the rest of the season
  • 1 0
 I, too, am happy to see the Gwin ball start rolling.
  • 11 0
 i want to see if tomorrow there´s articles about how a 27.5 wins and beat the crap out of 29ers Razz
  • 10 0
 Sorry for Rachel (wish her best recovery) BUT what a race. It was so exciting.
Yeah Tahnee...very good race!
  • 4 0
 This is the best comment about womens race! Thank you!
  • 12 2
 Go Finn! Great job coming back! Time for elite men's, shall a certain Aaron keep the Gwinning streak?
  • 11 0
 Remi's crash. Wow. Hope he heals up quickly. Absolute stud
  • 11 0
 What a run!!!!!!!! of course he Gwon, with that pace.
  • 12 1
 I'm waiting for the : This is Home , Aaron Gwin video
  • 8 1
 Aw man, he's not sponssored by Shimano Frown
  • 22 16
 Flat sections and people squashing jumps doesn't not make for interesting watching Frown If they're saying they here because it's good for TV then that's balls, would much rather see riders pinging through rock gardens or trying to skip of rooted sections.
  • 28 4
 I think it was absolutely amazing to watch, the speed, the precision, the line choices. Much like downhill skiing.
  • 6 6
 Yeah, as fast as it is, it's actually quite boring to watch if you do not have anyone or wheel size to cheer to. Phil Atwill has a point although his outspokenness may not go down well with some.
  • 1 1
 @cru-jones: By your definition, dh is just a single track version of 4x. If they are putting a rule on wheelsize, might as well add a "hardtail only on this track" rule.
  • 5 0
 @cru-jones: I loved it too. Edge of seat as these riders took it to the limit of fast as hell DH. Those scrubs where they nearly dab the back tire on the table then compress their body to gain speed as they touch down on the other side? Amazing! Riders like Minaar doing it for 16 gd years, while your Vergier and Greenland creep up to challenge. Gwin is amazing. All the women are amazing, especially Lil Trace Smile Cant wait three weeks, too long.
  • 2 0
 @cru-jones: If your name is actually "Cru Jones" then I want to be your new best friend, and if it's not... then I'm jealous that I didn't chose it... RAD is my favorite movie of all time!
  • 6 0
 @ugez: It's possible to appreciate a track without wanting all tracks to be like it. I enjoyed watching Leogang, and I enjoyed watching Fort William. They test different aspects of a rider's skills.
  • 3 0
 did we figure out what Minaar was doing with his brake in the jump section?
  • 1 0
 @ugez: where am I claiming that a track like Leogang is the only real thing? All I am saying is that I was well entertained watching this, and I think it has a legitimate place in the DH WC.
And if 4X was really like this, just wider and with 4 guys on track, probably 4X would still be a thing.
  • 11 5
 So if 29ers make the riders so much faster, you are saying that Minnar, Vergier, Moir etc would be shit with out them...... Mmmmmmmmm... Think all you trend followers need to realise It's the Rider not the bloody bike. Once again it's made no bloody difference what wheel size the riders used. Gwin won fair n square.. Over it now get a life...........
  • 9 1
 Gwin is an absolute monster. Will love to hear his thoughts on the changes and what he would do with "his" track next year
  • 8 0
 I might be out of order I know today his chain went but I think Danny's bike looks to big on him.
  • 10 2
 I ride a 26 for god sake #oldschool.
  • 3 1
 ... my bike is old, beloved and 26. Am i evil?
  • 4 0
 Great race! It was fun to watch with good coverage and cameras, and smooth streaming! Who would've thought, with all the pre-race whinging. And with Rachel missing, the top spot has been opened up, making the womens race far more interesting to watch!
  • 7 0
 Some said that Leogang is boring

Was a great race!!!

tight timing!!!

Who ask for more??
  • 5 1
 I guess the 27.5 were the wagon wheels when the move from 26 inch happened. I don't remember so much drama then.....its funny how peeps get rubbed raw from wheel size. This was the first race gwin won in a year he says....the field is tough with some super talent in the men's and women's. ...what a great sport and tight finish times. Hope everyone injured heals right up and gets back in action soon.
  • 8 2
 It's simply because Enduro was already well dominated by 27.5 by the time DH started to switch from 26" to 27.5, which is why it was less critical.

This time around 29'ers still aren't a majority in Enduro, yet dominate XC, which is why there's more pushback. Also consumers are generally upset at the possibility of switching to another another standard having already done it a few years ago.
  • 2 0
 @Jamminator: I just hope this whole wheelsize issue ends with riders having a choice because I think there are some positives with both for a number of reasons (rider size, track, maybe even bike design)
  • 2 0
 @yeti951SD: "Choice" that is the kicker ... no one would be bitching at all if the industry didn't force feed new standards & kill tried & true tech that has worked for years.

I could give a shit less what wheel sized anyone rides but when they obsolete the size I choose to ride (for no good reason) then I do care.
  • 5 0
 I'm fat, slow and drunk at the time of this post but Whether man or women they are beyond the capability of a majority of us pinkbike folks.

Mad respect to everyone of them!????
  • 12 5
 17th WC Career win....we will see who is the GOAT! Merica!
  • 3 0
 This is my first season of watching. Redbull seemed to have cameras in all the right places this time--a big improvement over Fort William. I thought both races were pretty mesmerizing. I don't understand why so many are calling this one "close" or calling this course easy--top 5 men were spread over 4.3 seconds and top 4 women were spread over 3 seconds. To me that says this was a hard course.

Gwin's bobble last week hints at why he is so fast, seems like. If you think a section (or course) is easy, you're probably just not going fast enough, and Gwin is going to beat you by 1.5 seconds or more if he stays upright. Impressive.
  • 2 0
 So, Rachel Atherton's gap is 345 points to Hannah, which means that even if Rachel won the 4 remaining rounds, if Tracey Hannah is second/third, Hannah would still take the title.
However, if Hannah starts fading towards the end (because the world championships are her priority) and Seagrave/Carpenter start taking seconds/thirds....there's still a (small) chance.
  • 2 0
 So I was close but still so far.

Men:
1: Gwin (I had Gwin),
2: Vergier (Vergier)
3: Minnaar (Hart)

Women:
1: Seagrave (Hannah)
2: Hannah (Seagrave)
3: Nicole (Nicole)

Bad luck with Hart breaking the chain. I'm sure someone got it better, but not bad at all! (Would love me some Firebird)
  • 1 0
 I had Gwin Vergier Brosnan Hannah Seagrave Nicole So damn close!!! Shame on me for not including the GOAT in the top 3
  • 1 0
 @mollow: yeah I was thinking the same thing. I thought about it but decided to leave him out cus so many had him, it would have been a copy paste.

If for some miracle no-one has come closer, good luck on the lottery!
  • 1 0
 I was close as well so I went through the contest. Saw there some someone that nailed both men's and women's in perfect order. Good on that person!!
  • 1 0
 @southernrockyflow: No surprise there, the results weren't an upset in any way.
  • 7 2
 I'm a huge Minnaar fan, have been since the Global days, but I'm over the moon for Gwin. Nice win Sir.
  • 6 3
 You'd think with the rise of female mountain bikers, companies would be pushing for a few more Juniors to add to the ranks in the future times.
  • 2 0
 It's a sponsorship issue... How many thousands does it cost to fly someone (and a legal guardian since they're Juniors) around the world while providing housing, mechanic, and equipment for a week? And that's just one race. Any sponsor with that much money is in the Elite ranks.

On the flip side, if it does take a full sponsorship to compete in Juniors, or thousands in cash for each event for privateers, what message does that send to our youth?

Just looking at the standings, all any Junior woman has to do is attend every single event, and finish regardless of position, and they could be a "Top 3" rider in the world. Clearly there's a broken system.
  • 6 1
 26"? Really Claudio? If it is, it is time for popcorn...!
  • 7 2
 AARON GWIN! MAKE IT THREE!
  • 9 4
 Womens racing far more fun without Rachel it has to be said.
  • 6 2
 I d love to see Remy Metailler on this track.
  • 1 2
 Yes! He's got the arm pump issue, otherwise who knows. Hes one of the greats in my opinion.
  • 2 0
 @MikeSF77:
You mean he has the arm pump excuse?
He's a free racer.
They're only fast compared to free riders.
  • 1 0
 What do you mean excuse? I thought I saw or read that he's had a few surgeries to fix it but basically can't hold bars for more than a couple mins, not long enough for DH comp. he's fearless, creative, and wicked fast on the bike. If not for this issue, maybe he'd be a great racer too in addition to all the dope stuff he's accomplished on the bike. @jflb:
  • 3 0
 Loic Bruni just posted a picture in his Instagram story from the hospital. Looks like he´s out for todays finals....
  • 3 0
 Well...... Not much to say Aaron - delivered.... Greg - delivered .... Loris - loud and clear message send !!!!!
  • 4 1
 Loris is a good guy with it as well, every time I've seen him this weekend be it after a run letting people get their photo with him or him out keeping it low key wandering about he's been beaming with a grin ear to ear.
  • 2 0
 Holy shit! I hope I was not the only one silly enough to not realize you could change playback, watched the entire women's finals in German! Lol
  • 3 3
 by changing the course so much.....their is no way to compare times set this year on a 29er to times set in the past with 27.5 or even 26 inch bikes. A stat comparison that could have put a real dent in the 29 or not 29 argument. The industry doesn't want you to know this info.
  • 2 2
 not hating on 29ers, just putting forward the argument that the UCI not stepping in to regulate things like 29ers, suspension travel and perhaps other things shows how little they care about mountain biking general. in road cycling they are very picky with equipment such as the rule that "wheels must be of equal diameter, between 70 cm and 55 cm, and must have minimum 12 spokes." do people think that them doing nothing in regards to regulating mountain biking shows that they aren't interested or do people think they don't want to hinder technological development? and is the UCI not doing anything a good or bad thing?
  • 5 2
 UCI needs to stay the hell away from regulating downhill bikes! There is no argument for adding more rules and regulations from the UCI. They screw up enough as it is. The focus should not be on the bikes...at all. The focus needs to be on the tracks. There were so many problems with the track in Leogang this year, and so much I think could be done to improve it. If the racers, teams and other players make it clear they want better tracks - i.e. tracks that don't require riders to lock out their downhill suspension - then I think things will head in a positive direction.
  • 4 2
 Anyone know if there's going to be another hour's gap between men's and women's coverage?
  • 4 0
 Two hours this time, woman at 5, men at 7. (In my time zone anyway)
  • 2 0
 yeap .. women at 7pm and men at 9pm here
  • 1 0
 @src248: ok cheers for the heads up. Is this how they've always done it? I don't remember coverage being split up in previous seasons but could be wrong.
  • 5 0
 @el-nombre: last year the women were shown re-live straight before the mens broadcast. this year they are shown live, and there's a break between the women and the top25 men.
  • 3 0
 fricking awesome tahnee getting her first wc win.
  • 7 3
 Gwinnnnnnnnner !
  • 6 2
 GWINNING IT!!
  • 5 1
 Gwin to win!!!!!
  • 4 0
 Stoked for Tahnee
  • 1 0
 She had to go fast to beat Lil Trace. Mad props!
  • 3 1
 Say what you want about it being too much of a bike park or too easy, that was the most exciting race so far this year
  • 3 0
 Gwin's run was sick. Did not think anyone was going to beat Vergier.
  • 1 0
 Personal note to Brosnan and Kerr, Dear dudes, you are messing up with my fantasy contest win. Get up in the top 3 soon, I'd love a new frame. Cheers, M
  • 3 0
 Finn Illes coming 16th in elite mens, that guy is insanely quick.
  • 2 0
 Well at least this race proves that 29's are not the "end all be all" wheel size for DH.
  • 6 4
 This is Gwin's favorite's BMX track
  • 1 1
 why do different races have different point prizes for the same position? Lourdes = 200 points for the win, fort bill and leogang = 250 ?
  • 7 0
 50 points for first in qualification
  • 2 0
 Thank you PB for the link ... you guys are doing awesome
  • 2 0
 Bruni's not racing! Well, there goes my prediction. GG
  • 3 0
 GO TAHNEE!
  • 2 0
 Great coverage! Hope Remi gets well soon.
  • 4 2
 Gwin for the win!!!!!!!!! Yihaaaaaaaaaa!
  • 2 0
 nice one tahnee, times were tight!
  • 2 1
 My power went off when Gwin had his first lead at the split....came back on and he had won. Great ride by Loris as well!
  • 7 0
 The sonic boom knocked down some power lines!
  • 3 1
 29er what?....Gwin is what.
  • 4 2
 Where's atwill and his hardtail?? Too much talk
  • 2 0
 Some factory team should sign up Alia Marcellini
  • 2 0
 I knew Gwin would win. Yay for Tahnee
  • 1 0
 Gwinning is back Big Grin it's going to be an interesting season to see who comes out on top between him and Minnaar
  • 4 3
 Oh boy the V10 is fast, but damn can Gwin ride BMX
  • 1 0
 Bring on the Team Vids!!!!
  • 1 0
 Red, White, and Blue! #Gwinning!
  • 2 0
 What a race!
  • 1 0
 What an awesome Race ,I love this sport!!
  • 1 0
 Great run Isak. #18. Somebody pick this kid up next year.
  • 1 0
 ????????????????????☺️????????????????????????☺️????
  • 2 0
 !!!!!!
  • 2 0
 ????
  • 1 0
 Nobody speak about Loris's birthday day ? Me nether
  • 2 1
 Wonder if Carpenter had a brother...
  • 1 0
 Great to see Tahnee getting the win she desrves
  • 1 0
 Can't believe Gwin was clocked at 62mph....just mind blowing
  • 3 0
 Pretty sure the speed is in Km/H
  • 1 0
 So awesome. .. 40% of the top 10 are auzzies.. yieww!
  • 1 0
 Not that I don't like Rachel A. But the women's cat just became exciting.
  • 3 3
 Phil putting down a slick run!
  • 1 1
 Wyn should do after movie as well.
  • 4 3
 #29aintdead
  • 1 0
 On life support?
  • 1 0
 Way to pin it Finn!
  • 3 3
 What happened with Loic?
  • 10 2
 He ruptured an artery in his knob
  • 3 5
 How is Sam Dale even sponsored?
  • 4 0
 Why do you say that?
  • 4 3
 Punching Gee Atherton's lights out is reason enough.
  • 2 5
 The first time Bruni was hoping for a 29er to win a race!
  • 2 4
 Vergier was denied
  • 6 9
 If Gwin has a 29er, how much seconds the gap increases?
  • 18 1
 It's not helping Danny Hart much is it, or Brandon Fairclough the freerider! Stay with it Gwin
  • 3 0
 Gwin really shines on this type of track and the 27.5 wheels obviously seem to work well too. But perhaps 29ers would be a good option for him on tracks that he has less of a reputation for winning at? Not that there are many of those but maybe we will see some riders picking and choosing their wheel size for each track.
That would be a good outcome for all involved.
  • 12 1
 He would be a fool to switch mid season -- he is obviously extremely comfortable on his current bike and still faster than everyone by a good margin so why bother trying to get used to 29 wheels right now?
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