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NVM...found it.
www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1KR6H13P11W11/uci-mountain-bike-world-cup
Anybody know if there's a rationale for not making it more readily available?
@Specialized y'all got nothing on Aaron Gwin he's showing y'all who's the real BOSS!
Shoulda have paid up !!!!!
USA. USA. USA. USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
It's all about the Rider and I'm sorry fellas but y'all gonna be hearing a lot of me because Aaron Gwin is gonna be dominating for a long time!
Thanks to Aaron Gwin the rest of America can also get that extra push to make it to his level someday..
Luca Shaw respectively is getting there also!
Aaron Gwin is bringing back Gold medals to USA!
Can't lie the Demo 8 is the best rig I've ever been on..
Aaron Gwin is just a true ambassador for America!
He's the best!
I'm sure he'll get there, he's still young, but until he can learn to ride that fast and within his limits regularly he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Aaron.
Also I don't think World Champs should be a measure of how good a rider is, I mean just look how long it took for Peaty to get those stripes.
At the first WC Loic did look wild as f*ck, but that shows how much he wants to win. And that's such an awesome thing to see. The fact he was pushing boundaries that day shouldn't be held as a negative comment towards him, saying things like, 'oh, he's young and has to mature/has much to learn' etc etc. That's bullshit. He went into that race wanting to smoke the competition, and unfortunately got unlucky and crashed.
Yeah, as it stands Gwin is probably the best rider in the world. But how is the world going to be welcomed with a better rider? By pushing boundaries. Loic, or anyone else in this matter, isn't going to become better than Gwin by holding back and riding more safe and well into their comfort zone. You only get better by pushing yourself.
'Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Aaron'. Who do you deem worthy of being mentioned in the same breath of Aaron? Thor, Freyr, Odin?
Video and outcomes don't lie.
While this kind of "everything or nothing" attitude makes for very breathtaking drama on course, I'm afraid this is not a sustainable style. Just take a look at the winningest and oldest males and females riders, they ride very smooth.
I have no particular sympathy for Gwin but we have to give the man credits for currently being the #1 in terms of speed and consistency.
I'm glad you guys noticed this about Loic too.
Nothing against Loic. Just an observation. I've met him twice and he's a fine lad, but he's not the first to do what he's doing now: ride way out on the edge and fall off it a bit. Once he learns how to feel where that edge is, he'll really start putting wins up on the board.
...or Eddie Masters (LOL).
Seriously, Connor at Lenzerheide last year was quick but couldn't hold it together.
You must have seen different races than me, I guess.
This is Loics' first ever injury on a bike, and it was only a matter of time for that to happen. Stevie, ratboy, hill they all had the exact same thing happen to them, because it's part of the game. Being young and surfing the perfect wave you are losing respect for the dangers, and naturally this is when you get schooled.
However, before his collarbone fracture he barely had a crash, one or two supper little slips if at all... And that while being pretty much the only rider in recent times who came out of junior and was instantly a super consistent contender for the win with a solid #2 overall while even dealing with huge amounts of bad luck over the whole season. Bruni is definitely next level. I can't think of any junior rider with an equally strong mental game. Let's just hope that the injury doesn't change this for him.
Having said that, Gwin is still an absolute beast performing black magic on a bike. But I can see his power diminishing, when the young frenchies learn to use the force to its full potential. Just as a reminder: danny hart and blenki were seen as young contenders too as they were junior champs... But in the mens field they still struggle to this very day. Now go and watch Loic and Loris again.
anyone?
it helps with day to day, week to week and month to month health........
it also allows gwin to recover from workouts and race weekends much faster and more thorough........
anyone?
Tiger Woods in the high point of his career changed the game of golf where golfers started to look at fitness as important part of their game. Golfers already had the talent and mental part down, but along comes this young kid who could play a consistent game, strike a ball with power and control and not even be winded. Gwin I think will bring a shift to Downhill world where training will include as much mental preparedness as physical and bike skill.
But then again I am just speculating, he could be a android sent from the future
no alcohol.
the sport is getting the point with the bikes and everyone basically having the same trainer/fitness levels that it comes down to the little things.
unfortunately/fortunately depending on your age ,view point and history with the sport, this is whats happening now in dh mtb.
sx/mx goes thru these cycles of natural talent and balls vs hardwork and training, and eventually it settles into a mix of both.
right now in dh mtb if ya wanna hang with gwin you better be equal on all fronts.
the no sauce really does help with some little things that really do add up.
sleep,ability to recover, ability to absorb nutrition properly, mental game, stress,hydration,recharging of the human electrical system,etc.
he is the mix of pure talent and pure hardwork/discipline.
i really think alot more dudes could go as fast as gwin if they just left the wobbly pops until the true of season.
get loaded nov to april.
may to oct.....stay sober, it gives ya a fighting chance against these gnarly tracks, back to back weekends, harsh travel, colds and flu,and the oh so on point, mr gwin.
god damn i love bench racing..............
what a race run by gwin. the dude truly is gnarly in that ricky carmicheal kinda way. full commitment to the job at hand. doing everything to gain whatever advantage ya can, even if it means changing some social/cultural habits.
other people will win races, but gwin on this bike, with his lifestyle..................its gonna be interesting.
But yeah, I certainly don't want to undermine Gwins performance... He is still #1 and for good reasons. And I love that he is on his best way to become champ on the YT.
However, I do see Bruni and even Vergier coming for him in the near future. For me, the question is not if but when, and it depends on how well Bruni can get over his injury physically and mentally. Until now, Bruni made it look so easy not only to be up there, but to stay up there. He has nothing to lose, but only to gain and is putting pressure on the rest of the field.
On the other hand Gwin is not finished with his riding carreer by a long shot, I definitely see him break Minnaars record. Put under pressure I'm sure he will, once more, find a way to step up his game in the following seasons.
I + prop you just because i like Star Wars
I really think it's a lack of use of available resources and poor cameramen. How many times have we missed an important part of the race, because the camera man was creeping on some girl in the crowd, or his is camera pointed at the ground? Minnaar's mistake in the rocks this last weekend is the perfect example. We missed it entirely, but the footage was rolled back to a different camera after his run to show it because the cameraman that should have captured it had his cam pointed off somewhere random in the woods.
Don't forget to down vote pu$$ies.
Yes, no British riders in the top 5's.
At my local we're not allowed to build big jumps and we're also not allowed to use wood in our jumps, or build wooden features at that. It is Forestry Commission land so we have to abide by their rules.
This means I/we spend more time riding on the ground rather than up in the air. I know if I went to america I would just play around on big jumps all day everyday doing tricks and shit lol.
beiing that as australia and new zealand are so close to europe that's why they are so many good riders from there.
stop making excuses, it is what it is
you don't need to host a wc to have a wc worth track, for example, here in Portugal we have loads of good track's, hell, even all the european fox athelets were flown here to test suspension ( www.facebook.com/GeeAthertonMTB/videos/vb.253605738020905/971798399534965/?type=2&theater).
we have wc worthy track's, we are in europe , so all you need to have good wc riders, but as our federation doesn't support the rider's whel enough, or we basicly don't have support from the industry by beeing a small market, whe have 3 guys that race the WC Emanuel Pombo, Francisco Pardal and Vasco Bica, and one ews rider Zemanelborges.
last year with world champs in Andorra(1110 km away) our federation only took 2 riders, other rideres, elite women and juniors, wanted to go payed by their pocket's and they weren't let to race by the federation
Not sure why you added the whole idea of distance to Andora, not sure if your saying it close or far, I would guess your saying it close as that not that far IMO.
but if you think that 46 registrations out country's non euro is few, you should count how many are from each country, garantee you if you take Uk and france that are the exeption it won't be that many, even if they are from across the border
'How do you want it'
'Just pretend I weigh about 400kg and set it up for that'
Unbelievable!
As an atheist, I really don't get why people hate so much on religion, they should realize it plays a major role in action sports.
It probably helps to know there's a big man who's got you sorted out whatever happens, before you throw yourself off a cliff on a bicycle/dirtbike/wingsuit/unicycle/hoverboard/...
If you watch MX or SX, there's sooooo many interviews where riders thank God, half the field there is probably religious.
@mrgonzo As to Gwin and God, where was this rationality and absence of deity when all those great men died this year?! Hey Pinkbiketheists - Where were your wise mouths when everyone was going R.I.P.?! Nothing wrong with people expressing their grief but if you are to laugh at Gwins or anyones religious beliefs (which are completely harmless in such instance) then get some composure in your attitude and shut the hell up. This is ridiculous and carries signs of bigotry
'Oh I would like to thank god for coming first today'. No, you should be thanking your team, your mechanic, your personal trainer, your family, and yourself for having the drive to succeed.
It's like that stupid women who's kid fell into the Gorilla enclosure. She wrote on Facebook afterwards thanking god for keeping her child safe. Like f*ck off, go thank the poor zoo keepers that you technically forced to shoot and kill the Gorilla because you can't keep your kid under control.
I am personally thanking my dad for telling me I am stupid and laughing at me quite often. Thanks to that I can laugh at myself and don't give much sht about what people think of me. It's hard for them to beat the level of ridicule my dad gave me.
And also why do you dislike anti-theists?
Brakes. Tyres. Blackbox shifter. RAD shock. Safe to say his fork will have it's own tune for him or also be a RAD unit, so again, not stock at all.
So no, that bike is not what the customer gets direct from YT. It is an amazing bike, but not the same.
I very much doubt any of it is stock. The frame could be made out of a different kind of carbon, the tyres may be made from another compound that is not available to the public, different grip compound, etc. After all, they will be doing everything they can to give him an edge.
you guys just don't get it. Of course he might test some protoype-stuff like the brakes with the cooling fins now and then but considering that the X2 just came out I doubt they are testing a completely new design in there. And a changed shimstack does only mean that the fork is setup for AGs needs. I made several custom shimstacks for myself. But to think that any weekend warrior would profit from the suspension setup from a pro racer is stupid. Therefore if you buy the bike from YT you can set it up to your needs and its basically the same bike as AG rides but with a setup suitable for a normal rider.
Its also very unlikely that Yt made a custom mold for AG because that would cost a few 100k and is not needed because the geometry is on spot for his height and in comparison with other race-bikes on the circuit. Even Trek did only an alumium rear-triangle for Gee or SC and Specialized with their custom links because its way to expensive. So consider every carbon-part on AG-bike stock because apart from wheelbase you can change the goemetry settings with angle- or reach-adjust headsets or concentric shock bushings and custom links like SC and Specialized do.
He's also not even sponsored by Maxxis so why would they make a custom grip compound for him?
Also, nobody has said he has a custom frame? So why are you mentioning that as if anyone did say it. So that 'argument' can just go away now.
And to say that no rider apart from a pro would benefit from a custom setup suspension is just plain hilarious and wrong.
His bike is not the same as the one you can buy off YT. Simple.
www.pinkbike.com/news/FOX-DH-Shock-prototype-2013-World-Champs.html
www.mtb-news.de/news/2013/06/08/prototypen-aus-fort-william-fox-dh-luftdaempfer-rock-shox-boxxer-blackbox-und-sram-xx1-dh
In Gwins shock might be a harder hsc-shimstack and a few spacers. Maybe a protoype cartridge in the fork which is not very likely considering they just updated it. And I said that nobody would profit from specifically Gwins setup which is what you indicate by saying Yt is false advertising their bike because its not the 'same' when it has just a special setup for gwin. There are also different shimstacks sold by fox so everyone can make a custom shimstack for themselves:
www.pinkbike.com/news/inside-the-float-x2-and-ccdb-air-video-2016.html
so its basically a stock Tues except for Gwins personal setup and sponsored parts. There are no custom links like SC and Specialized have. Its a stock large frame.
Also, you do not know if anybody else would benefit from Gwins setup at all. You can't know that.
I'm not sure why you got so offended by the fact the bike is not actually stock.
Well you kinda are behaving like an autist here. Yts claim that their bike ist more or less stock means it in the context that Gwin has his personal setup which is logical only an autist wouldn't get it. He also runs parts from his sponsors which are not on the bike from yt but most of the parts are identical with the stock bike. Hence with a few modifications you can get close to Gwins racebike.
To settle this once and for all just tell me which parts exactly are not stock and why you think they are not.
And knowing a few fast riders and a few things about suspension setup its not hard to imagine that the average rider wouldn't like Gwins setup because its setup for speeds and impacts an average guy will never get near at. To a mere mortal most WC-bikes would just feel harsh.
I'm not offended its just ridiculous of people who have no clue to point out that Yts claim that the bike Gwin is running is relatively stock (compared to other brands in the Wc) is plain wrong and almost every part on it is a prototype. That's just never the case if you follow the Wc closely. Only the top teams have the money and factory support to test prototypes here and there but they don't constantly do because this woul compromise their success at races.
Also, you have now changed your tune and are contradicting yourself to try and make yourself 'right'. At no point did I or anyone else say the entirety of Gwins bike was custom. In fact, myself and others were the ones saying that his frame may well be stock, but the rest of his parts are mostly not, suspension being from the RAD department, the fact he doesn't even really run Onza tyres, and his Blackbox equipment from SRAM, his prototype brakeset . . . . None of those things on his bike come on the one you buy from YT directly. It really isn't hard to understand. The frame may be stock, but his bike is not.
Now suddenly your argument is that the bike is 'close' to what YT sell. You have changed your mind. You said it was stock previously. . . . So is it exactly the same as what you get from YT, or is it the same frame with custom and prototype parts not available to the public? You know the answer.
Dude calm down assburger is just a 4chan meme but you surely have no clue about downhill racing and suspension setup. Otherwise you wouldn't point out that a custom suspension setup and a few sponsored parts for AG contradicts the claim that the bike is more or less stock.
Also you need to get your facts straight. You said: " The frame is stock. Everything else is not what a normal customer will receive at all."
That's plain wrong and the other dude arguing that his frame might be out of 'special carbon' is ridiculous too.
So you point out he runs Maxxis tires? Well the stock bike comes with Maxxis tires and its clear that Athletes change tires for the conditions so thats a non-argument. Since he's not sponsored by Maxxis its unlikely that he will recieve a special compound. (Maxxis doens't even have a firstride-programme like Schalbe).
He is also not sponsored by Sram so no Blackbox: dirtmountainbike.com/racing-events/downhill/sram-aaron-gwin-official-line.html
So it boils down that he rides different brakes than the stock bike and he might have different shimstack/internals in his suspension although the lead enineer says that he just runs a few extra shock spacers and you can reconfigure the shimstack for yourself. He also changed from the stock carbon Lg1r in Lourdes which is on the stock bike to the stock aluminium version in Fort William: www.bikerumor.com/2016/06/16/world-cup-dh-pro-bike-check-aaron-gwins-leogang-winning-yt-tues-cf-pro
Sorry to break it to you but only with the tires, brakes and crank being slightly different your argument that "Everything else is not what a normal customer will receive at all" is plain wrong. That he runs a different suspension setup is a given and doesn't necessarily mean that he runs prototype internals.
RAD parts from Fox can be completely different to the normal items for sale. That is the point of having pro riders ride on the newest items unavailable to the public. So you can forget about that nonsense to do with Gwins suspension setup being the only difference. Do you get a RAD suspension setup from Fox when you buy the bike from YT? Nope. So yes, the suspension is different.
I never mentioned the crank being different at all so I'm not sure where you got that little lie from.
So according to you, a bike with non stock RAD department suspension. Different tyres. Different brakes. Some Blackbox parts (look at his bike from Lourdes www.pinkbike.com/news/aaron-gwin's-winning-yt-tues-lourdes-dh-world-cup-2016.html . . . then tell me he doesn't have anything blackbox on there) and apparently different cranks according to you, is 'stock'.
You don't know what 'stock' means clearly. It is considerably different to the one you buy from YT directly. This is really not too difficult to grasp. And stop changing your argument to say 'more or less stock' as it is making you look desperate now.
Just to make it very simple for you -
Frame = Stock
Parts = Absolutely not all the same as what you get on the retail bike.
According to you, Gwin can run whatever tyres he wants, despite being paid by a company to run their tyres exclusively. If he was allowed to run whatever he wanted, why does he blackout the Maxxis branding?
Then, you say that Gwin isn't running anything Blackbox as he isn't sponsored by SRAM. But, your point about the tyres says that riders can run whatever gear they like apparently to suit.
Again, which is it? Can they run what they like to suit conditions, or are they rigidly stuck to one thing and one thing only by brand? Because you are giving off very confused signals.
The argument was about you saying that apart from the frame "everything else is not as it would be when you buy it" and one guy mentioning that even his frame might be different. Thats complete bullshit as I have pointed it out.
Its unlikely that fox redesigned the whole shock while they just introduced the twintube-design and its main feature being its tunability _without_ taking the shock apart. Thats the reason why the ccdb is on the market for 10 years without major changes and fox and bos copying it. It also makes no sense to argue that Gwin doesn't run highrollers from the stock bike in the conditions of Leogang. He runs the tires according to the conditions and he is not officially sponsored by maxxis its just a cooperation until Onza has developed a competititve tire design.
In the past many riders didn't run the tires of their sponsors. Dan Atherton comes to mind riding blacked out Maxxis tires. Its nothing new so stop bitching about it: www.pinkbike.com/u/captain23
I love how you start every post with a really poor attempt at an insult. So by being in 'captain obvious mode' (bravo on that zinger by the way) you mean telling you that you have changed the argument from it being said his bike is 'stock' to now saying 'nobody said it would be completely stock' . . . . Have I got that right? Because that's just you moving the goalposts to try and suit your point of view.
Now, go up to the top. Look at the post redburn made. He said it is 5000eur and you have his bike. That is the post that this is all about. Are you saying that that post is correct? As that is what it sounds like. My whole argument was that in terms of the frame it is the same. But it is absolutely not the same bike as what you get when you buy off YT.
How are you not seeing that? Simple question you only need to answer yes or no to. Is the bike you buy from YT exactly the same spec (including RAD parts which exist purely for pros to run and test) as the one Gwin rides . . . .
Answer that with a yes or no please, as that would end the whole conversation and what it was originally about before you chimed in spouting nonsense.
If someone had forseen these podiums, he/she SURE deserves the tues!
Congrats Vergier.
And Rachel.. Is she ever gonna have serious competition again?? The only eay any other girl can win is if rachel falls down, is sick or gets a mechanical..
Rather than dumb it down for the casual viewer, they could give more athletes the exposure they deserve.
But given a choice of this current format or no free coverage, I choose free coverage every time.
(Lol)
www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1KR6H13P11W11/uci-mountain-bike-world-cup
GA felt he needed a better bike to gain back his winning ways, and the Session is arguable one of, if not THE 'best' all-around DH bike made.
AG on the other hand, felt he needed to get paid while he was still relevant, and I have ZERO problem with anybody, especially someone which such a short career-life as a professional athlete striking while the iron's hot. Where the two differ so much, is where GA apparently was concerned with the equipment he would be riding(as would most people IMO), while AG has shown he wasn't concerned at all-as shown by the fact he chose a bike that hadn't so much as turned a fricken wheel in competition(professional at least).
Arrogance is uber common in professional sports, especially in the individual kind, but the best racer on the planet right now could be considered damn-near anything but, which I imagine is a hard thing to do when you decided to go after the biggest pay check possible, while relying pretty-much solely on your talent and skill.
I suspect it may have started with the winning run without a chain, or maybe the one before that when he rode on a flat tire, but the man(AG) quietly(very) decided he's got the skill necessary to win at the very top level, and while he still has it he's gonna get paid what he's worth.
I wonder how much every team in the paddock would pay to guaranty a championship..?
That appears to be what went down with Specialized and then YT over the off-season, insomuch as can be in the 'mortal' world, as obviously although AG has been head and shoulders above his competition, he competes in a sport where injuries are quite common, thus it could all go up in a puff of dust
However, the Specialised suspension is based on a Horst link design. Specialise had the patent for this design which expired last year (I believe). The YT bike looks to me like it is a copy of the Demo 8. Gwinn is essentially riding the same bike as last year but for a different brand. YT could previously sell in Europe but not the USA. Now the patent has expired they can sell in the USA so having Gwinn is good for marketing -hence his value!
Sure they are.
Except for things like, BB drop, top tube length, seat tube length,wheelbase, reach, chain stay length hell, shock positioning, rear axle width, hardware..I hear YT simply bought a bunch of Demos and painted over their graphics.
Had a feeling that Aaron was going to pull it off, but congrats to Troy Brosnan- This is one of his best results no?
Rachel's competition is nothing. Sorry Rachel.
Also, your argument that Rachels competition isn't as good is void too. As you can only compete against whoever else is there, but always on the same courses though. So yeah, Rachel is far more dominant right now than Gwin by any actual definition of the word.
Go figure is not a question either by the way.
Then you say it was all a joke?! Nice try, but it clearly wasn't and you are just saying that to try and look less wrong. Also, I corrected your original statement with a fact, then you took it extra personal in your reply if you can remember that. So again, what exactly is your point?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDShdr64lHA