Finals Results - Lenzerheide DH World Cup 2017

Jul 8, 2017
by Pinkbike Staff  
Elite Men

1 // Greg Minnaar
2 // Troy Brosnan
3 // Danny Hart



Elite Women

1 // Myriam Nicole
2 // Rachel Atherton
3 // Emilie Siegenthaler


Junior Men

1 // Finn Iles
2 // Joe Breeden
3 // Sylvain Cougoureux



Junior Women

1 // Paula Zibasa
2 // Melanie Chappaz
3 // Shania Rawson






Standings

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289 Comments

  • + 238
 So gutted for Gwin he was laying down a heater
  • + 68
 Yep. Best run of the day from anyone, by far. Then he got a flat.
  • + 75
 That's racing.
  • + 60
 I literally screamed when Troy got the lead, was then shouting "pedal! pedal! pedal!" after the last jump Big Grin

Then again when Gwin lost it...

My neighbors prolly think I'm crazy...
  • + 121
 That Gwin post race interview, what a champ! Takes the rough with the smooth. After such bad luck today he deserves to get the win at worlds and finally get that monkey of his back.
  • + 7
 He always does, my favourite to watch after Danny Hart.
  • + 14
 Poor man keeps losing races because of flats. He needs anti burp wheels. E-13 get to work already!
  • - 61
flag Golden-G (Jul 8, 2017 at 8:24) (Below Threshold)
 God wanted it that way...
  • + 0
 @Golden-G: I knew that comment would come. Idle hands become the tool of the devil...
  • - 22
flag maynardle3 (Jul 8, 2017 at 8:44) (Below Threshold)
 @Scottybike36: Truly a champ. But monkey off his back? He won a few weeks ago.
  • + 25
 @maynardle3: he's never won World Champs, which is what Scottybike is referring to...
  • + 4
 @Milko3D: No, they know you're crazy. And that's ok!
  • + 18
 @Wilovanny: That wasn't a burp, it sounded like a gunshot in that last rock garden. frigggggggggg
  • + 12
 It's crazy. It's 2017 and we are still getting flats left and right. Something needs to be done..
  • - 70
flag jclnv (Jul 8, 2017 at 9:13) (Below Threshold)
 So funny listening to Warner saying "look at Gwin just smashing though the ruts" next second he flats. A fast run but not a smart run.

Smart guy wins.
  • + 87
 @jclnv: a comment , but not a smart comment Big Grin

@jbravo: Whew!
  • + 9
 @jclnv: certainly have to tread a fine line between smashing and preserving the hardware to win, and gwinn is no stranger to ripping off tires. now if tire technology would catch up to facilitate how hard some of these guys are pushing...
  • + 11
 @xy9ine: I have to agree with @jclnv to a degree. There are a lot of guys who don't seem to have such issues with tires. Tire tech has room to improve for sure, but until then - set up and line choice will remain important to keep your bike together for a race run. Not saying it's Gwins "fault" really just some bad luck. With that said there is consideration to be given for how hard you push the bike and set up - risk/reward.
  • + 7
 @Golden-G: Exactly right. If he had won nobody would question that 'god' was with him and wanted him to win. So, when he doesn't win that shows god didn't want him to win. People just like to get pissy when you say that though.
  • + 7
 @richmond1990: for me it is unbeliveable how Gwin lands the jump, just on the right spot to squeeze that speed out.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHGhbqLNdB8 at about 3:30
  • - 12
flag Squeakybb (Jul 8, 2017 at 12:34) (Below Threshold)
 @DARKSTAR63: yeah but the point is, as cd0583 pointed out, this shouldn't be an issue anymore. The sport shouldn't be limited by equipment (minnar broke his rear wheel prior to the finals as well). What other sport has these issues when the athlete is doing everything right (IE not crashing). Motocross wheels don't fall apart or have tires ripping off. Its lame to have to deal with the equipment not supporting/ being reliable for the riders. I almost wish there were "do-overs" since gwin likely was the fastest racer on the mountain.
  • + 17
 @Squeakybb: Can't agree. Mechanical integrity and operation in such a way that limits failure is in fact a huge part of motorsport. Look I don't know what happened, did the tire slice on a rock when it shouldn't have? Was the pressure too low? Did it burp causing the pressure to be too low? Should he be running thicker DH case tires? Should he have picked a line more carefully? Was it just dumb luck? I have no idea but it IS part of racing. Motocross tires are really thick, if MTB tires were like that they would weigh too much. It's a balance act of durability and speed. There is room for improvement, but I don't think a racer is "entitled" to a bike that is indesstructible nor do I think that is possible.
  • + 20
 @Jurchek: I could see there what I saw in Val Di Sol with my own eyes. That super fast section with guys going centimeters from trees to the left. Minnaar perfectly composing the bike to the ground and pumping each "roller", while body stays in very straight line - manualing that boulder, Bejesus... while Gwin somehow just bounces on top of the stuff not falling into any hole. He looks like best moto guys on whoops. I think that is the most amazing thing about him, he rams into stuff but it doesn't slow him down, you will very rarely see his bike in a hole, he skips on tops like no one else. Sometimes Danny Hart does that too. Then he can rail loose corners as if there was plenty of grip, and that goes against all logic - I am thinking about his supposedly super hard setup suspension. You just can't get that much grip out of set it hard as fk. So while watching Minnaar makes me understand why he is so quick, all those huge and tiny moves, perfect form, I have no freaking clue how Gwin does it.
  • + 21
 I like how Gwin used to a polarizing rider, half of people loved him, and half hated him, but now he was won almost the entirety of the Pinkbike audiences' support. It's good to see, he's a hell of a rider, and classy as all hell.
  • + 3
 @Squeakybb: absolute nonsense. Formula 1 now has almost total reliability and the sport is way worse off for it. I used always be disgusted when a Jordan or Stewart was on for a podium and the engine would go but it was exciting and I'd always tune in the next time hoping the luck would go their way. And sometimes it did and I would be pretty ecstatic. Now they all cruise to the finish often in the same order they start.

There is no drama or unpredictability anymore. I like that flat tyres/broken wheels are still a risk in this sport. Sure it sucks for the rider but it's another element of drama that makes it more exciting to watch.
  • + 5
 @coulombic: Did you hear his Rim smack the rock before the flat? I knew it was instantly done he smacked something hard.
  • + 1
 @Wilovanny: he smacked a rock hard, you could hear the rim hit. Not much you can do about that.
  • - 1
 @cd0583: Blame it on the 29ers.
  • + 6
 No disrespect to gwinn. He's one of the greats. Amazing rider and a class act. It's tight racing. A c hair off line and it's all over. He was on a smoker but he missed a line into a rock and race is done. Also think if Greg took that inside line up top it would've been super close to gwinns time(if he didn't flat). That would have made for the best racing. Pick your line and live with the result
  • + 1
 @maynardle3: he talking about the world champs "monkey".. but its more like a baboon
  • + 0
 You could hear the pop when he got the flat, so it wasn't a tear on the side wall. So much for FTD?
  • + 0
 yep, going too fast and flatted. Minaar is fast AND more carefull.
  • - 2
 With how badass bikes are now I can't believe we're still dealing with flat tires!!!!
  • + 1
 @ColquhounerHooner: too fast? yes, I bet he read your comment and will think about it next time he is in the gate. C'm on guys...

T10irons: so much free good porn available for reference and still so few orgasms in bedrooms around the world...
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  • - 1
 Hence my comment. Religion is ridiculous. Like having an imaginary friend...@mgolder:
  • - 1
 @Golden-G: I find people who do not understand psychological and evolutional function of religion as rather daft and recommend psychodelics ASAP.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:I find people who believe in an supernatural creator to have the same understanding of reality as Schizophrenics.

We all know the historical function of religion (to keep the peasants from revolting), some of us just evolved that's all.
  • - 1
 @jclnv: your lack of self reflection is comparable to what I observed among many people coming to church. Do some mushrooms man. Like hunters and gatherers used to do. They lived long before peasants... and were rather surely quite spiritual. You have some time left to live get a finger out of your bum and dig deep into it. Your anger is quite possibly a repressive reaction. The dragon sits on the treasure. But you have to face him first.

For instance I feel equal resentment for a mass sport event like a soccer match as for a mass in church. Both are extremely similar. A mass of folks who give up their identity to brainlessly follow a performance and exercise hive mechanics and then go home.
  • - 1
 But then I take my finger out of arse and think to myself: I hate group activities, I like to train alone on the gym, I can't imagine going for some crossfit class. But many people simply need it. The reptilian part of my brain drives me to be a loner in certain aspects, and the reptilian part of their brains drives them to be members of a community. They need direct guidance. I seek for guidance myself and chose many gurus. I hate massive group rides, I like to ride in a small group or alone. But I'm a sucker for social life.
  • + 1
 @Milko3D: Mine too!!! hahaha
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: I always find it hilarious when people can't see the similarities between preachy people who are into religion and preachy people who are atheists like @jclnv. They are both just as irritating, toxic and generally concerned with telling other people how to behave. Modern social justice warriors share so many traits with the religious fanatics yet the vast majority of them are self described atheists. It's almost like some people are asshats all by themselves.
  • - 4
flag jclnv (Jul 9, 2017 at 17:27) (Below Threshold)
 @humoroususername: So you agree with the indoctrination of children and the influence of religion on politics? Are you okay with evangelicals who believe the rapture is imminent making foreign policy decisions in the US.

I always find the naivety of people who believe in religious freedom hilarious.
  • + 6
 @jclnv: #triggered Get over yourself bud.
  • + 1
 Exactly, I heard it loud and clear live. Was expecting them to highlight it in the replay, but they didn't pick up on @scott-townes:
  • + 3
 Gwin's error in the last rock garden caused the flat and cost him the win. No different in my mind than Minaar's error to break traction on the last couple grassy corners last week... except Gwin takes a bigger hit in the overall. Amazing racing.. so tight and these guys are right on the edge.. amazing to be able to see the slightest error make the difference for the top step.
  • + 3
 @jclnv: you are what you hate. I advise "shadow work" by Karl Jung, then THC and psychodelics... i strongly believe that asteroid that killed 99% life on Earth was highly immoral
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: You must fight the insanity or become it. Pshchodelics never gave me a belief in the supernatural.

I recommend Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: I don't believe in supernatural, that's not what I meant. I thought about connecting to the universe and understanding causality how it all works together. Being grounded. I would recommend exact same therapy to deeply religious and spiritual people because at some level they are just bypassing reality.
  • + 1
 @humoroususername: Apples to oranges. You watch motorsports for a crash then sure that's the excitement aspect of it. Still crashes in downhill regardless of bike reliability. I've been riding Moto for a while and the simple fact is motos are way more reliable (and you still get crashes if that's your thing). Yes Darkstar, the tires obviously have to be thinner on a mtb. My point is every race has about 10% of bikes breaking and for a racer that blows when your equipment can't handle your personal capability. So now how is my argument nonsense?
  • + 1
 @ericwahl83: As you say, apples to oranges. There are strength to weight ratio issues with human powered bicycles that are less of an issue with motorcycles. I agree on tires insofar as they took a long time to get up to speed and still have a ways to go. However I think it is unreasonable to say there shoudl never be failures, and if there is a there should be a do-over. Which is what my original comments pertained to. Also - I think that if you look at motorsports where smashing into rocks is a part, i.e. off road trucks and enduro/scramble type motorcycle racing you will find that failures do in fact occur. If DH tracks were all dirt (i know, we are moving that direction haha) like motocross tracks, you would see far fewer failures.
  • + 64
 Stoked for Atwill! He´s just so fun to watch on a Bike!
  • + 9
 I agree.....looks like his potential is really coming together. Nice results in the last 2 rounds!! His style of riding is so entertaining
  • + 13
 Yea and he sounds almost like Ratboy. Brings back all the good memories
  • + 10
 I wonder how much faster he'd be if he wore a fitted jersey Razz
  • + 5
 I find him the most enjoyable to watch, every turn he slaps i'm screaming inside! He's a pure on the edge of your seat performer
  • + 1
 Yea that was a burner. Love to see these guys punching up in the ranks.
  • + 1
 he does best through a fast course. any uphill or flat is the bane of him but he is still such a ripper
  • + 1
 I'm so happy to see him do well, love his riding style and a genuine character too. If he keeps this up he'll be in a GB shirt for the Worlds and a good shout if he goes to Hardline too.
  • + 55
 Man, poor Gwin. Probably could have been up by over 1.5 seconds on Minnaar. Shit luck that guy has.
  • - 58
flag jclnv (Jul 8, 2017 at 9:14) (Below Threshold)
 What luck? He was smashing into everything, it was almost guaranteed.
  • + 19
 @jclnv: Yeah, not like any other riders smash into rocks...Maybe if he stops smashing into everything he can finally win a race at some point. It's a mechanical man, shit happens. Considering his riding style has resulted in countless world cup wins and overall titles i would say he is ok
  • - 46
flag jclnv (Jul 8, 2017 at 9:33) (Below Threshold)
 @danny-ocean: He flats more than most. Smooth he isn't.
  • - 33
flag endlessblockades (Jul 8, 2017 at 9:53) (Below Threshold)
 I guess I'll trade the WC Overall for the rainbow stripes on my next YT. A different version of the rainbow than the unofficial flag of my city....
  • - 47
flag geerumm (Jul 8, 2017 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades: not just your city... all of America seems to be plagued by this rainbow fad
  • + 13
 @jclnv: he wins more than most.
  • + 30
 @geerumm: yeah, peace, love and tolerance are the bane of our species. And this gayness fad is sure getting old, right?
  • + 2
 @jclnv: his mechanical wasn't a result of not being smooth. You can tear a sidewall going slow. There's a very likely possibility he was the fastest down the mountain, so whatever he lacked in being "smooth" would have given him the win had his equipment not failed.
  • + 51
 That reaction, when realising that she missed out on the top spot by 0.512 seconds... Rachel Atherton has to be the nicest, most likeable and warmhearted human being to ever ride a bike!
  • + 43
 Flat tire defender my ass
  • + 1
 I know, right? Maybe the tire got pulled off the rim as in a burp. Not much you could do about that.
  • + 1
 I'd say bring on Tripple-ply. Could revolutionize Enduro...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: 4 ply is already a thing.
  • + 5
 @VTwintips - for fathers of 5
  • + 1
 After-race interview with Gwin, he thinks it was a rock slicing the sidewall.
  • + 1
 That thing is a waste of weight. It does nothing. Doesn't protect the bead of the rim, it pushes to one side during impact. It sits in the middle channel of the rim and doesn't need to compress very much before the tire is smashed against the rim bead. Also those hookless bead rims have less surface area to dissipate the energy on impact and is more likely to result in a puncture. And they have poor bead retention and a higher likelihood of burping. The Defender gives one the illusion of helping as it dampens noise and will soften a low energy impact. That small amount of foam that displaces before impacting the rim bead absorbs nothing in relation to the amount of energy in an impact that displaces a 35psi tire at race speed. The Pro core is about the same weight and it has total bead retention and is able to protect against high energy impacts. The Huck Norris does nothing for bead retention but actually covers and protects the bead, one could double up on the Huck and still be less weight than the Defender.
  • + 0
 @GregGTrucker: is Gwin running hookless rims? At least carbon hookless ones have thick sidewall. Wide rims tend to sit just between the center channel. Boom. Procore explodes rims after you guet a dent. Bad example. Idea is good, execution is terrible. And heavy. That German red procorish thing is way better since it does not expand nearly as much as procore. Huck Norris minimizes the risk but it doesn't eliminate it, nowhere near. I cut mine right through when bottoming Slaughter Grid. My fault, it had full right to fail. But I was nowhere near forces Gwinny exposes his wheels to
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: he has been, I don't know for sure what he used this race. All of these tire systems are far from perfect. There are a lot of variables and compromises to be made, which makes it interesting for me. I have also heard that the high psi of the pro core can break the rim bed of a carbon hoop which is not designed for high psi. Do you have a link to that German red procorish thing?
  • + 0
 @WaterBear: Watch the replay and you can hear the pop when he got a flat. Couldn't be a tear in sidewall.
  • + 1
 @GregGTrucker - it's called DeanEasy and it is Italian. Looks best and weighs only 110g. It's basically a modded tubular tyre
  • + 40
 I feel bad for Gwin, he was on fire. Gotta give a lot of credit to Minaar though, his post race interview made me respect him a whole lot more. But hats off the Phil!!! He's riding so good lately, I hope he can keep it up!
  • + 20
 I don't understand how one can't have the utmost respect for Minnaar to begin with. He is pure class through and through.
  • + 25
 @vroomvroompartystarter: he is pretty hot too #NoHomo
  • + 12
 @JoseBravo: Minnaar is a dream boat.
  • + 2
 @ryanandrewrogers: I said no homo bro, just dudes being dudes
  • + 3
 @ryanandrewrogers: lol totes, those dreamy green eyes, insanely immaculate hair...
  • - 5
flag missingfile (Jul 8, 2017 at 22:09) (Below Threshold)
 @JoseBravo: f*ck compadre no ponga mal a Chile en Chile somos hombres no maricones guarda tus ideas para los websites de maricones no acá
  • - 4
flag CaliCol (Jul 9, 2017 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 @vroomvroompartystarter: how do you know? Maybe he is a despicable human being outside of the lime light. I doubt it but to insinuate that one has to have the utmost respect for another is asinine.
  • + 1
 @CaliCol: Okay, sour patch. Life gave you lemons, and you ate them like a silly person.
  • + 1
 @vroomvroompartystarter: bro, you're obviously a toolbag and a half with every wrench and screwdriver possible.
  • + 1
 @CaliCol: Sounds pretty handy to me.
  • + 41
 Throwing Neko out for a chest protector. Wut??
  • + 36
 Time to ditch the UCI for DH.
  • + 21
 @hetfield1: that time was years ago.
  • + 8
 Whoa, I missed this. What happened? Did he wear one on the outside of his jersey?
  • + 5
 #despotism
  • + 22
 For him not to be wearing one is incredibly dumb fir someone who relies on being paid to race. He said he taped it inside his jersey so id bet I was cardboard. Heavy price to pay for an avoidable issue
  • + 9
 @russthedog: exactly, the riders know the rules, it's just stupid playing with things like that. A back plate on its own with some elastic round the chest would have been un-noticeable.

Wont make that mistake again.
  • - 7
flag jbravo (Jul 8, 2017 at 8:54) (Below Threshold)
 I hate the UCI. Whether it's they're dirty-ass bullshit in road racing, or they're stupid-ass rules in mountain biking (esp. DH), every last one of them can go straight to hell!
  • + 17
 @Racer951: but it sounds like the rules are different at every race and this was acceptable all the other races and acceptable all weekend. To me this is not something that should suddenly come to light in the start house.
  • + 2
 Bogus! FUCI But, Neko, just wear one at every race and you're covered.........
  • + 4
 @Clifflane3: riders are allowed to wear a chest protector over the jersey. Marine and Rudy Cabirou do wear it over their jersey.
  • + 3
 @jbravo: so rider safety is a problem for you?
  • + 6
 @ORTOGONAL555: Josh bryceland wore one over his jersey almost every race last year.
  • + 10
 IMO it's unprofessional. The rules say wear a back protector. Don't have attitude about it and then act surprised when the judges throw you out - and then blame the judges. I would have loved to see him race.
  • - 3
 @WaterBear: he did race, later on in the schedule. And came off at the rock garden, so didn't post a great time.
  • + 3
 @cptmayhem: He wasn't allowed to start. In the results sheet he is shown as DNS.
  • + 3
 @jbravo: it's the rules for racing dh in Switzerland. Has nothing to do with the UCI
  • + 6
 @russthedog: Yes you are right, bit his interview was even worse. He claimed no one can state what a back protector is, but in the swiss cycling federation reglement is clearly stated that your protection has to be commercialized. That means cardboard or whatever he taped to his jersey is not acceptable as a piece of armour. The race officers were right to stop him, although they should have already warned him on thursday before first practice.
  • + 7
 @ORTOGONAL555: I just don't get the point in trying to beat the rules by using card of some other such crap.

Why not just run a soft flexible back protector?

It's like trying to get away with trainers at school instead of shoes. It's the highest end of dh racing, stop pissing about and get on with your job, it's only for 4 mins.
  • + 3
 @striveCF15: My bad. From comments, I thought the UCI was dinging him for wearing a protective vest. Just saw the interview and I gotta say Neko needs to learn the requirements and follow them. There is little to no disadvantage in wearing protection required of all riders.

And I do hold safety in high regard for me and my family :-)
  • + 2
 @Breeconay: Yeah, I had the wrong idea of what was going on. Neko dropped the ball by not wearing the proper required protection. And I think DH racing should err more on the side of safety.

But I still do hate the UCI :-)
  • + 0
 @Racer951: I agree with you. I even think modern protectors could be more comfortable than a piece of cardbord rubbing against your back.
  • + 0
 @mfoga: true that
  • + 2
 @ORTOGONAL555: but if that's the case why was he allowed all weekend. Also who said it was not a commercial back protector just attached to the jersey not direct on his body. Not saying he is right but it seems like there is a lot of questions about this rule and how it's enforced.
  • - 1
 @mfoga: As I said before the problem is the that he was allowed to start on Thursday and Friday due to a lack in the race officers' controls. AFAIK protection must be worn properly to be accepted.
  • + 1
 @ORTOGONAL555: I am not suggesting race organisers were right in allowing him to ride earlier in the week but as a competitor in this level of racing he should know all of the rules and abide by them like all of the others do, the fact he got away with it for a few days doesn't change he rules.

All sports have rules, they are the same for all competitors, they will have been available to all riders and teams at some point during registration / entry. No excuses for trying to be a cool kid at this level.
  • + 1
 @Racer951: Yes you are right. I didn't mean to blame the race officers, it was neko's fault.
  • + 1
 Honestly I'm not even surprised this happened with neko. Seems like that guys has been full of excuses the last couple years. Every race he seems to have some issue that stops him from riding his best or even racing at all.
  • + 34
 What just happened to Gwin...I could scream.
  • + 16
 Me, too, man. That really sucked. He was owning.
  • + 27
 I did (scream).
  • + 1
 @coulombic: Watching the replay now, his tire died after he slid through that turn. Thinking he burped it.

You knew he had it when he was up on Greg in the first 4 sectors. Then that damn rear tire!

Edit: Gwin says he thinks he cut the sidewall.
  • + 0
 @WaterBear: at 2.21 of gwin's run, you can see he burps some air, but im pretty sure he already lost air before. If you look at 2,11, it's the moment when he probably damaged the sidewall : just at the beginning of the turn, he hits a rock with his rear tyre.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: I wish there were a more durable tire solution. Maybe have Schwalbe make some kevlar/carbon fiber reinforced tires, or something. This has been his problem in so many races. It's safe to say that had he not flatted, he would have won.
  • + 6
 There is a distinct "pop" as Gwin machs through that short rock garden. It sure sounds like the tire, but maybe it was the sound of the rim making contact?
  • + 4
 @thinkbike: I agree. You can hear a big hit as he lands into the rock garden and then it goes flat in the next shot. I think he landed on a rock edge or point. Gotta be extra careful with tire placement in sections like that.
  • + 0
 @AJBarlas: So did I. Probably opposite reason to you haha. But ya what a kak one for him
  • + 2
 @coulombic: gwin is riding onza tires! i think with the speeds these guys are going it's nearly impossible to make a flatproof tire that doesn't weigh 3 kg.
  • + 2
 @coulombic: seems that the Huck Norris isn't living up to its name... nor the price tag
  • + 0
 @geerumm: Huck Norris can't stop a cut.
  • + 3
 @WaterBear: nevermind that he's not running huck Norris. He's running flat tire defender...
  • + 1
 @zede: @zede: He clearly wrecks the rear on the small rock garden. You can clearly hear it at 1:31:51 in the replay. Next shot you see him losing speed and sliding.

www.pinkbike.com/news/lenzerheide-dh-world-cup-2017-live-stream.html
  • + 3
 @zede: OK, just read this on Gwin;s Insta:

"...Unfortunately I cut a hole in the sidewall of my tire about 3/4 of the way down the track. Tire was going flat quick but I pushed it as long as I could. Broke the rim soon after and everything came apart a few turns later..."

Interesting chain of events, too bad, but that's racing.
  • + 28
 This is your season Myriam! Go get that overall!
  • + 4
 That would be pretty cool. Commencal, Canyon, YT, Mondraker giving the traditional makers like Trek n Spec a run for their money! SC is still in some kind of purgatory - no longer an upstart, but not yet a part of the GM Family.
  • + 25
 Man, I'd be spitting fire if I was Gwin but his interview was all class. RESPECT!
  • + 24
 Greg Winnaar!!!
  • + 14
 Must be absolutely bitter for Thanee to make that mistake near the end! She was on fire all the way down! Would've been a podium Finnish for sure! But hell yeah for PomPon! I couldn't think of a nicer and more deserving person to take the win!
  • + 1
 Her times were good, would have been a win or very close to it!
  • + 14
 Finn is the Future.two years in a row Overall Champion.walker possibly could stop him by winning the remaining rounds but there is no way Finn isnt going to score any points.what actually happended to walker yesterday?
  • + 9
 I do believe Gwinning has become Finning
  • + 1
 I don't think he can be caught. You get 60pts for a win. Matt would be on 260 if Finn didn't score any more and Finn is already on 280.
  • + 16
 Shame for Tahnee, she was flying! The Athertons are bionic.
  • + 16
 Who said the women's race was going to be boring with Rachel back?
  • + 17
 Actually, me - but wow!
  • + 2
 @pinhead907: she is almost literally winning (or nearly) with one hand tied behind her back though... I miss Anne Caro...
  • + 14
 i feel so bad for Gwin man it sucks
  • + 13
 Huge Kudos to Gee, insane to drop that last jump with a recent hip-dislocation! Totally out of this world!!!
  • + 11
 I hope Gwin can leave this bad luck behind and nails it in the world championship.Would love that to happen.
  • + 0
 He has the speed for the rainbows - his overall hopes just went flat.
  • + 3
 It would be a tragedy for him to never win the stripes. I feel like once he wins, it will be all Gwin for years to come.
  • + 11
 Look at Atwill -114th, 27th, 18th, 9th, 5th - progression of the season, good job lad!
  • + 7
 Very happy for Minnaar, but i genuinely think Gwin is pushing the limits of current tire/rim technology, the way he rides and smashes things so hard, finding a solution to the constant boring flat tire issues has the be the top priority for DH, no one is happy when someone flats, not us fans nor any of the riders.
  • + 10
 Welldone phil atwill...top 5
  • + 10
 Atwill in 5th! So stoked for him!
  • + 7
 Congratulations Unior tools team! Two riders in elite men inside top 10, and Jure Zabjek (not Dzadbdzek goddamit Warner) is in top 15 overall Big Grin Pretty damn great for a small team
  • + 8
 Feel so bad for Gwin. He had that race locked up. Easily would have been 1.5 on Greg. blehhhhh
  • + 6
 Regarding Aaron: I do not feel it is back luck to rip your tire off... he pushed his equipment too far. Brilliant run, but just too much...
It is no more bad luck than washing out in a corner.
  • + 3
 As much as Id like to agree with you, Aaron seems to have way more punctures than most riders... Dont know wether its the way he rides, his tires or rims but something is definitely not ideal for him and his style of riding
  • + 8
 bummer for Gwin.. that tire inserts didn't help him
  • + 4
 Gwin is known for riding at 10% sag with a air shock and Tues has a 80% progressivity. That means that to bottom out the shock you need 700 kg of force...that is why he uses to kill tires.

Riding a Tues at 10% sag with an air shock is putting the rear tire in a torture chamber.

700kg was confirmed by the youtuber andrextr
  • + 3
 Neko makes it hard to be a fan of his, the only guy in the entire field who was dq'd for not having the appropriate protection. This doesn't seem like a problem with the sport to me at all if everyone else managed to successfully follow the rules. Don't blame the sport officials dude, admit you tried to skirt the rules and became being a brat when you got caught.
  • - 4
flag mollow (Jul 8, 2017 at 12:53) (Below Threshold)
 Probably the most over rated rider ever
  • + 5
 You think he made that trick up??? He's not the only one and as far as I know it has been a long, long time since the officials didn't allow a start because of improvised protection.

The guy gets through practice and qualies, on a broken wrist, is then told in the start hut that he has no choice but to take a DNS... and that makes him hard to cheer for!? I'm going to guess you've never actually spoken to him, because he's so incredibly nice.

If you don't believe me listen to Rob and Claudio, they were both very much in agreement that protection rules need to be standardized, not different from race to race and definitely not enforced differently from official to official.
  • + 7
 Phil Atwill!!!!
  • + 2
 Hang on, the individual standings are wrong. They gave Loic Bruni points for 6th place, Rudy Cabirou points for 7th place and Luca Shaw points for 8th place... but Luca took 6th, Loic 7th and Rudy 8th.

And that's just one mistake- there are a bunch more as you keep going. Am I missing something?
  • + 1
 Don't forget to add the Qualifying points.
  • + 6
 Atwill podiums at 5th!! Holy everything! Wow.
  • + 6
 Fire the guy who makes Gwin's tires...
  • + 49
 Chin Liu Wong and his family have been executed 5 minutes ago.
  • + 0
 I use to run chaoyang tires for my bike and never gets flat.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Amazing
  • + 16
 @pijong77: tell us more about your current World Cup ranking.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: comment of the week
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: made my day
  • + 3
 You all laughed at Asian family getting executed because a white catholic male punctured a tyre. You should be disgusted with yourselves. What have we done to ourselves...
  • + 4
 How many flats were there total in the final? Crappy way to end the race. Gwin can aim for the Worlds now - the overall is out of reach barring disaster
  • + 4
 Uhhh, one....
  • + 2
 @yakimonti: that's what I thought
  • + 6
 Ride of the day has to be Phil Atwill! Top 3 next
  • + 1
 This looks to be the most competitive men's DH World Cup racing in quite a while. Gwin, Minnaar, Brosnan, Bruni and Hart all have amazing race pace this year. And, Jack Moir and Loris Vergier sometimes look the part, too. On a good day and excluding mechanical issues Gwin is still a cut above but mechanicals are playing a part in the standings this year. The women are having a pretty competitive year, too, partly thanks to the injury that has, for the moment, meant that Rachel Atherton has been unable to find her normally blistering pace. All in all 2017 is producing some pretty exciting racing.
  • + 4
 Can we get a video analysis of the last section of where Troy lost .1 of a second to Minaar
  • + 3
 What's going on Manon? Frown Miss seeing her go big and push herself on jumps even Rachel would give a pass (successful or not).
  • + 5
 Quote of the day: "Little Troy just sneaking up"
  • + 1
 Haha so funny. What a cheeky git!
  • + 2
 Sh*t luck for Gwin. He just can't catch a break Frown I think it's time to reconsider what tires he's running and to figure out what tubeless system hold up to his riding level !!!
  • + 3
 maybe its about a pressure..
  • + 1
 So check this oit , Minaar finished 3rd last year.This year, Gwinn was arguably going to take the win and Greg was only 1/10th of a second on Brosnan .So Minaar was technically a mere fraction of a second quicker than last year, on a bike that all 29er lovers are saying was properly tested... You guys still think they are faster ? Minaar always been a top rider and this hasnt changed , if you think the wheels on his bike are making him faster #yourf*ckingdelusional
  • + 11
 One of the big things that Minnaar keeps saying though is that this bike fits him properly and it's the first time he's actually felt really comfortable with the size of his bike.
  • + 6
 Yeah , exactly, fornonce the man jas a bike that suits him well... Better fit, more comfortable on the bike = faster for him @wpplayer18:
  • + 5
 Big difference between being comfortable and uncomfortable (riding on the edge and over it)...for GM, he is more comfortable-meaning consistency.
  • - 11
flag mikelee (Jul 8, 2017 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 But the question is how fast will gwin go on the bigger wheels! They are faster,it's been proven and it's why they're becoming the new standard. Next season they'll all have them. Then it's back to being fair. For the people who say they're not faster,why do you think all the pros are moving to them. A big wheel will always cover rough terrain easier. It won't fall into holes as easy for every rotation it's covering more ground. The contact patch is bigger creating more grip. I rode my mates 29er and was blown away how the same track felt smoother,the speed picked up was eye opening too. I'm not a advocate of them but there's no doubt they're very quick. If I was still racing I'd have to get a bike with them. It's only due to gwins amazing ability that he can match and beat the others on the smaller wheel. Imo he's the best there is and has been.
  • + 1
 What are you high ? Most guys on the EWS prefers the 27.5 , most DH riders have SWITCHED back to smaller wheels , what are you talking about pros going bigger ??? My whole point was this , THE DATA DOESNT LIE AND Greg himself isnt realt faster !!Being more comfortable on the big wheels allow him to charge more therefore he seem more consistent and get better results.The big wheels dont make him faster , he's faster because he's more comfortable.All the evidence is actually PROVING that the bigger arent faster by much if anything at all @mikelee:
  • + 5
 @tuumbaq: evidence? learn a thing or two about doing science. I don't know how much experimenting of what sorts would have to be done to provide an "evidence" that certain wheel size is faster. The moment you see it in "Science" magazine you can call it an evidence. If you have been by the tests of Minnaar, Fairclough, Hart or anyone else then just say it. If you haven't, stop pretending that stuff you heard in interviews or race results is evidence of any value. As if it mattered to you or me which wheel is fastest, as if it was possible to determine.
  • + 2
 I'm not really hearing a lot from the pro 29er crowd. Most seem to be content to let things play out. You, on the other hand, seem to want to yell the last word.
  • + 4
 @Rhymer: 29F 27.5R is where it's at. Once the UCI relax their wheelsize law its all on.
  • + 0
 How about Minaar being nearly exactly where he was on the same track last year?lol , not 7sec or even 3 sec faster like certain manufacturers wants us to believe.If thats not clear evidence to you I dont know what is.If the big wheels were indeed faster, Greg should have been way ahead of the field dont you think? @WAKIdesigns:
  • + 1
 You guys just don't get it... Every body that has a real 29er frame sticks with it but of course if you just keep the current front triangle and ghetto fit 29ers it's not working as it should be... Moir and Santacruz have a 29er specific frame and they stick with it. Shaw and Vergier aren't tall at all and they stick with it too.
  • + 4
 @tuumbaq: ok perhaps I misread your comment since I agree with you here. I do believe difference is minimal, and it tips slightly depending on a rider. But I just don't like using words like "evidence" in environment with that many variables and human factor being dominant. If in 2008, you made V10 with current geometry (and rode Fox with RC2 cartridge not that motion control rubbish on 32 boxxer) you'd be winning by 10 seconds. Even with 26" wheels. But these days, forget about such gains, whatever you do. And speaking of amateurs, since this is what it boils down to: "should I buy a 29er next year", with 1-3sec potential differences, it is absolute bollocks. Amateur cannot deliver consistent runs to say: I have data to prove this bike is faster by 1s. Many amateurs are not fit and skilled enough to complete a 3 minute DH run. If you get something that makes you faster by 10secs, yea buy it. Such thing doesn't exist though.
  • + 3
 @tuumbaq: track condition is never the same two years in a row, even if it's the same track.
  • + 2
 @mollow: It is also worth remembering 29DH bikes are very much in their infancy (in terms of racing). The difference between 26 / 275 is minimal where as 29 is a bigger jump. As such it will take a little while for riders to get used to them and for the bikes to develop properly. I think we have a few more years of trial and error before we really know if they are faster or not. IMO it will come down to rider preference.

One thing that is evident though is longer slacker bikes are taking the podium. Did anyone else notice how Bruni looked sketchy and lost time through the speed trap whereas the guys on longer bikes held the inside line and went faster?
  • - 4
flag tuumbaq (Jul 8, 2017 at 15:44) (Below Threshold)
 Duh , really ? Lol Thanks for "trying " to educate me dumbo but you are completely missing the point . I wasn't referring to Greg's time on the clock but his RANK which is the same as last year when he was on the same wheels than the rest.According to all the hype around 29er, he should have had a clear 7sec gap between him and the guy behind him on 27.5 and he was in fact loosing to a 27.5 and was about 2 pubic hairs ahead of Troy onhis 27.5 ... 29er arent faster , they just fit some riders better, thats it , anything else is marketing bullshit and I doubt time will change that... @d-man:
  • - 1
 @tuumbaq: so which manufacturer said you will gain 7 seconds on the field if riding a 29r?
How can you rank any higher? First is first right?
  • + 1
 @fartymarty: +1 "29F 27.5R". Foes Mixer style.
  • + 1
 @mollow: SC use the same front triangle to my knowledge
  • + 4
 Greg was excellent in his post-race interview, totally down to earth and thinking of other before himself, bravo sir ????
  • + 4
 Best race ever I'm going to destroy my trails tomorrow and pretend i am Aaron Gwin.
  • + 3
 You will get a flat and have to walk back to the car
  • + 5
 #29aintdead
  • + 13
 Not dead but proving to be completely unnecessary.
  • + 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: Look who's on top
  • + 6
 @Lurch-ECD: Thanks to a flat tire. But still 1,5 seconds slower than a non-29.
  • + 6
 @BeerGuzlinFool: Not for Minaar it isn't, it's just a choice, and i'm getting f*cking bored of morons like you.
  • + 4
 @deadmeat25: Tough sh!t. Deal with it. The fact is 29 inch wheels are not proving to be any faster or slower than 27.5.. It's still about the rider. That is why I said they are not necessary. Sorry I hurt your feelings.
  • + 4
 @Lurch-ECD: so your saying Minaar wouldnt be on top if he was on 27.5.. I think the results would be the same.. Minaar is the g.o.a.t. for a reason and it isn't wheel size.
  • - 4
flag Lurch-ECD (Jul 8, 2017 at 21:37) (Below Threshold)
 @BeerGuzlinFool: so he should ride a 26 instead?
  • + 1
 Well done Pompon, awesome to see her take another win and more congrats to her and Greg Minnaar! It's just good to have racing where they're are real contenders now outside of the top two! Mt St Anne is going to be epic!
  • + 4
 Gwin got cheated by his tire again. Time to switch tires bud. Nice PomPon
  • + 8
 Different tyre manufacturers last time bud
  • + 3
 Any updates on Marin? He said "My elbow" and walked off track without bending it. Hope it isn't serious
  • + 8
 Found it, dislocated elbow
  • + 1
 @src248: That was my guess when I saw it. I dislocated mine in march and was riding again in May
  • + 2
 Chinese manufactured tires maybe need to be pre stretched and then measured for tight enough beads, by Gwin's mechanic. Throw away the tires that don't make the cut.
  • + 3
 I don't know if they are made in Europe, China or Taiwan. But race the tightest bead of the batch, is my point.
  • + 1
 I believe the Onzas are Swiss made. Most all tire manufacturers will have variances in weight per identical mold, and although I haven't observed it myself, may have some variance in the stretch of a kevlar bead. But it doesn't sound likely that a wire bead coming out of the same mold would have a variance in stretch or size. Have you observed this? Might be worth looking into.
  • + 0
 I have experienced one side of a wire bead tire that was too loose. Maxxis highroller around 2004. They replaced it!
  • + 4
 so stoked for phil atwill! need the podium next!
  • + 0
 gain is a great rider that never makes excuses for not winning. its stranger that many of his fans have to go out of their way to make excuses for him and point out the obvious. 'if he hadn't this, or hadn't done that, he would have the fastest time..... etc etc." Uttered excuses make people look weak and jealous. Props to Gwin for charging hard, and don't hand out the trophy yet....
  • + 4
 Meh, there goes my new TLD kit...
  • + 3
 Gwin was smashing just too hard. Bummed to see that flat so close to the bottom.
  • + 2
 I am so pleased to see Phil Atwill on the podium. Anyone know what happened to Bernie Kerr this weekend? Can't fine him on the results sheet...
  • + 2
 He injured himself a while ago
  • + 2
 He had a rather nasty encounter with a tree and then the floor at crankworks. A broken shoulder and surgery followed.
  • + 1
 Im not getting that points rating. In all the races before, first place had 250p, second 200. Why Greg has only 230 points now for the first place?
  • + 3
 Troy looking good for Worlds!
  • + 3
 stoked for Minnaar but such a shame for Gwin...
  • + 3
 That ending came up a bit flat! Bummed for the Gwinner.
  • + 2
 I was at the edge of my seat, just seeing him green the whole race.
  • + 1
 @coulombic: Same here. Surprised I didn't give myself a 5-finger haircut when I saw that rear tire.

Edit: Nice name, btw. Get that E&M in your life Smile
  • + 3
 Well I'm certainly not getting the Tire Defender now Razz
  • + 3
 Yeah Luca, 6th and 15th overall...Kill it ,....North Kackalacki....
  • + 1
 I hate the break at RedBull TV. Why not start the women at 12:00 and the men 13:00. So RedBull TV can show the women at 13:00 relive and the men (last 20) 14:00 live
  • + 5
 Because they only show the top 20 men live. There are currently 60 other dudes ripping down as we speak.
  • + 5
 And they want to show the women live since that's what people have been asking for.
  • + 1
 Frack yea, love it! Minnaar is like the Gandalf of MTB! The great DH wizard!
  • + 1
 I wonder how is Alex Marin in his accident today looks like he broke his arm any updates ?
  • + 1
 No excuses. Im an idiot. Gwin is a great rider....... not Gain. He sucks. Ha!!!!!!!!!
  • + 2
 Well Done Vaea! Congrats on a great result!!
  • + 2
 Damn Daniel! Good job again!
  • + 0
 Does anyone read these for edits? Points got messed up for Shaw, Bruni and Cabirou. They finished 6, 7, 8 respectively but were awarded points for 8, 6, 7 respectively.
  • + 5
 Its got qualifying points included also.
Shaw finals 6th= 95 points, quali 53rd=0 points, total 95 points (8th highest points scorer of the weekend)
Bruni finals 7th=90 points, quali 4th=25 points, total 115 points (6th highest points scorer of the weekend)
Cabirou finals 8th=85 points, quali 10th=15 points, total 100 points (7th highest points scorer of the weekend)
  • + 2
 Gwin signature tires again? and that anti flat system?
  • + 2
 What happened to SikMik ? He was a minute off but 8th yesterday?
  • + 4
 Wipeout in the rockgarden and then taking it easy. No "suicide no hander" on the final jump.
  • + 2
 @seidla: man I hate that. Hope he's not injured
  • + 2
 2 wipeouts actually. But yeah the rockgarden one was brutal
  • + 1
 Gwin has had such shit luck. He was going to kill everyone else's times! Oh well, that's life haha
  • + 5
 It wasn't luck. He landed right on a rock and popped the tyre. You can hear it go. His line choice led to it.
  • + 2
 You have got to be kidding me!!!!!
  • + 1
 looks like it's Troy's year....!
  • + 1
 GREGG DID IT AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 0
 As much as I want to see Gwin in top it's awesome to see Minaar killing it! Good job Greg!
  • + 1
 Dammmmmmm Gwin's run was going epic!!! Great Race!!!
  • + 0
 I really hope minaar wins the overall
  • + 0
 Nice for Onza Tires..... or not !! Hahaha, gwin back to MAXXIS for sure
  • + 1
 I heart PomPon
  • + 1
 Minute!
  • + 0
 it seems the GODS are playing for the overall this year
  • + 1
 Nice one Phil
  • + 1
 What a race!
  • - 1
 He's Finning again as the first to Finnish! Finnception!
  • + 19
 No. Just no.
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